World Series viewership way up overseas
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 22, 2009 
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According a press release from Major League Baseball, the 2009 World Series was broadcast by 54 of MLB’s international radio and television partners. That spans 15 languages and 233 countries and territories. The viewership was up considerably from 2008.
In Japan, live ratings were up 101% on NHK BS (which I assume is the name of the station). We’ll call that the Hideki Matsui factor.
In Panama, average ratings were up 101% on RPC and 40% on TV Max. That’s the Mariano Rivera factor.
In Korea, home of Phillies reliever Chan-Ho Park, ratings were up 73% on OBS.
In the Dominican Republic, average ratings were up 46% on CDN. In Canada, live ratings were up 65% on Rogers Sportsnet. In Mexico, average ratings were up 22% on Televisa.
The Yankees draw a crowd, and not only in New York.
Back to the last thread.
Blue Jay fans are going to be sorely disappointed in what the Jays get back for Halliday, if anything. Montero and Hughes? Ha, ha, ha. Sox don’t have the chips, no matter how hard Gammon tries to spin it.
Best thing is to get someone to take Wells contract as the deal for Halliday. That frees up $37 million in payroll, and the Jays can do a lot with that $$$$. My money is on the Cubs.
To continue the discussion from the last thread –
The catch with trading for either Felix or Johnson is that neither the Mariners nor the Marlins HAVE to trade either one. They each have a couple of controlled years, so even with payroll limits, they are not necessarily onerous. So the package you offer needs to really be attractive to those teams.
But, you never know.
Look, the Jets scored a TD. At least Mike Westhoff does a good of coaching and preparation.
Great another update. I hope that’s it for the night.
Bud knows where his bread is buttered. The Yankees are the only team that can guarantee MLB great ratings domestically and internationally. The Yankees also sell >30% of all mlb merchandising.
From the last thread.
Crawdaddy,
I know that (the Marlins demands for Johnson would be sky high) but our farm system is actually LOADED now and we’re in a position to deal unproven talent for YOUNG proven talent that can help us win now and into the future. I think there is too long of a gap between the old guard and the farmhands. What I’m saying is, guys like Mo, Pettitte, Posada and maybe even Jeter will be declined before kids like Hughes, Chamberlain, Jackson, Montero etc. become productive or reach their peaks.
The interlocking NY is the most recognizable sports logo in the world. People on remote Pacific Islands are seen with Yankee hats.
Wonder if anyone on those islands are walking around with “Phillies Repeat” shirts?
I think the Yankees should move one of their young pitchers, if they can get Roy Halliday. But, I believe it would be a huge mistake to get Granderson, he’s not woth anything the Yankees would have to give up in a trade. His numbers are just not there, and if anything, his production is going south faster than geese in November. I’d much rather the Yanks trade for Halliday, pick-up Matt Holliday via free agency, and bring up A-Jax next spring.
The fact that some of you are so reluctant to trade players who “might be good one day” for a player who is already a cy young winner amazes me.
Whoever said that the gap between the old guard and the new players is too large was exactly right. The Yankees need to win now or by the time some of their young guys
are good enough to win the older players might not be anymore. Now you don’t totally mortgage the future but cash has developed the farm system to the point where they can absorb a big trade if it gives them a chance at a couple more titles in the near future. Let’s face it the Yankees (if the right people are running them) can reload faster than most teams can.
“I know that (the Marlins demands for Johnson would be sky high) but our farm system is actually LOADED now and we’re in a position to deal unproven talent for YOUNG proven talent that can help us win now and into the future. I think there is too long of a gap between the old guard and the farmhands. What I’m saying is, guys like Mo, Pettitte, Posada and maybe even Jeter will be declined before kids like Hughes, Chamberlain, Jackson, Montero etc. become productive or reach their peaks.”
Your opinion of our farm system isn’t the one that matters, but it’s what the Marlins think of the Yankee farm system that’s important. Until Johnson actually becomes available, I see little value in discussing what it will take to get him. I don’t necessarily agree that kids like Hughes, Chamberlain, Jackson and Montero won’t become productive before Jeter starts declining in his performance.
MLB is missing a great opportunity here. The World Series should be set up every year so that the Yankees are in the WS every year. Now, they’d have to win it on their own, but everyone else plays the season in order to have the privilege of facing the Yankees in the WS. The Yankees are a guaranteed money maker.
(j/k)
As much as I like Damon, signing figgins to play left field and leadoff, just solves so many questions by itself and it also allows matsui to return for a year at DH and sit enough games to rest posada and arod. He’s the only bat I really covet for the yankees
We’re probably not giving up any of the three untouchables and will try to make any trades with other prospects, just like everyone else has been doing for the past two years. Halladay can absolutely steer himself anywhere he wants to go with his NTC, and they can’t even pretend he can’t because he’s already said he won’t re-sign with Toronto. They are not gonna rebuild through a Halladay trade.
Figgins sucks and they are not gonna put him in a corner OF slot for the Yanks. He’s a below average OF and has no pop at all for a corner OF slot.
Doreen,
That sounds like a good idea for a story you would see in the ‘Onion’.
I think Cash will sign Cameron first and then tell the agents of Damon and Matsui that he will sign one of the two whoever agrees to his terms first.
I think Miranda is an intriguing option as DH. He should be given a chance, if Matsui is not coming back. If he does not succeed, Cash can always trade for some one like Dunn during the mid-season.
“Figgins sucks and they are not gonna put him in a corner OF slot for the Yanks.”
Figgins is entering his last year or two of effectiveness, such as it is.
“I think Cash will sign Cameron first”
Seriously, I would rather they do nothing than bring Cameron to the Yankee outfield. He is a drag on a lineup, and not as good as he once was in the outfield. And how is that getting younger, more athletic, and less expensive?
“Seriously, I would rather they do nothing than bring Cameron to the Yankee outfield. He is a drag on a lineup, and not as good as he once was in the outfield. And how is that getting younger, more athletic, and less expensive?”
Cameron is still a very good outfielder, much better than Damon. I think he will automatically become the best outfielder we will have unless they get Granderson.
I think the deal will be for one year with an option for the second year.
I would turn over the DH spot to Miranda batting 9th, but only if they can get an offensive CF like Granderson + Damon in LF.
Hughes or Joba for 28-31 year old Halladay = where do i sign up
Hughes or Joba for 33 year old Halladay + 20M per year starting at 34 = no way
Mark in Tampa -
I had never checked out “The Onion” before, so I just did. You’re right. It’d be a perfect story for them!
Wow, Tom Brady is one whiny little crybaby! Does he think every call is just supposed to go his way? Oh, that’s right, it just about always does.
Brady and Youkilis-separated at birth?
Doreen,
I saw you were out of sorts the other day. I hope it was just a bad day, and nothing life changing.
Tom Brady is a Yankees fan, btw.
Mark in Tampa -
Thanks for the thought. Let’s just say I’m in a better frame of mind, though the situations still exist. They’re nothing new, but every so often something happens and I’m reminded of some not-so-great things that my husband and I face. Most of the time we can laugh about some things. And then there are days like Friday where I sit down with a bottle of wine, determined to drink the whole thing, and realize all I’ll get is a headache, so I stop well short of the bottle!
I wouldnt mind them signing Cameron on a 1-year deal…….IF its to replace Melky in CF and hit in the 9 spot.
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B Arod
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
DH Miranda <<<
DH Jeter <<<
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B Arod
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
SS Hairston or Pena <<<
SS Jeter
DH Damon <<<
1B Tex
3B Arod
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Hairston or Gardner <<<
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
DH Arod <<<
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
3B Hairston or Pena <<<
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B Arod
DH Posada <<<
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
C Molina or Cervelli <<<
SS Jeter
LF Damon
DH Tex <<<
3B Arod
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
1B Miranda <<<
This only works if they can get Granderson or another good hitting CF.
“Tom Brady is a Yankees fan, btw.”
Maybe, but he is a Patriot right now.
I think the hesitation some have with a Halladay deal has to do with the past. Clemens was 3 years older than Roy right now, but he was coming off of back to back Cys, and 2 of the 3 most dominating seasons of his career. Randy Johnson had just come off of a season comparable to Greinke’s this year.
Both of them immediately had awful seasons(for them) with the Yankees, at least Clemens did get better after the first year. We would have to give up more, I think, to get Halladay now. Also, nobody wants to see Phil, and or Joba, dominating the AL East for years after Halladay is retired.
Geeeeeeeeez, momentum killing INT… Sanchez is a disaster right now
I dislike every one of those lineups. I’d welcome Granderson if we dont have to give up much…….and tex at DH? lol. Arod will be DH before Tex.
Mark in Tampa – right on that one.
Doreen – just quickly, before I take the chicken off the grill – Good Luck.
Again, Toronto is not gonna get very good haul from trading Roy Halladay, that ship sailed at the deadline, and it won’t be back now that he’s said he won’t sign an extension with them.
Joe From LI
Thanks. Enjoy your chicken. Still grilling outdoors? Good for you!
Corey
NO, those are 1/2 days off lineups not every day. The DH is used the way it was prior to Giambi to rest all the over 30 players throughout the season.
LOL @ Sanchez
LOL @ Jim Nantz wants in the Pats pants
He was so quick to say Pass Inter. on the Jets.
This guy, Nantz, actually rivals Joe Buck for biggest mockery’s of their respective sports.
He did not get excited for the Jets 2nd touchdown, but got excited for each interception.
And excitement over a “great cut” by a loser named Edelman. This same loser, Edelman, has been hailed by many on ESPN and CBS as the next coming for what he did in the preseason.
Like preseason really makes a hill bit of difference. Not the same comparison, but sort of like Enrique Wilson batting 444 in spring training one year.
This bum Nantz said earlier on an INT TD by the Pats, “Bodden takin’ it home”. I think what Jim meant was that he was hoping that Brady would be takin’ him home.
So this is what it looks like when you take a barely average college QB, and put him on an NFL team.
Mark in Tampa November 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
So this is what it looks like when you take a barely average college QB, and put him on an NFL team.
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Sanchez looks no worse then most QBs do in there 1st years, and is light years beyond the college pro Jamarcus Russell. The league has caught up with him, all I want him to do is stay healthy and learn, Sanchez wont resemble a good QB until his 3rd year
To put it another way, if Bruce Gradkowski was the Jets QB, they would be winning this game.
It’s funny how Randy Moss with every other team was pronounced
randy moss
He’s with the 19-0 Super Bowl champion undefeated Patriots and his name is pronounced
RANdy MOSS
It’s absolutely pathetic. THANK GOD they did not win that Super Bowl with that Randy Moss TD!!! THANK GOD! THANK GOD!
We would still be seeing highlights of that on Sportscenter on a daily basis.
Why people are proposing deals for Felix, I have no idea. Shouldn’t we stick to the realm of reality?
Craw, that article from the Times I posted earlier made good points, but of course I agree with you and I think the Yankees do, too (about younger not necessarily meaning better). I completely trust Cashman – and he will not be standing pat. He will not give Damon and/or Matsui long to make their decisions once offers are made and he will have contingency plans should either or both not re-sign. Even if one or both re-sign, they are obviously not in the team’s long term future. There is no doubt that Cash is looking past 2010 with this team – he knows what needs are going to need to be filled and I think he’s got a plan to go about doing just that.
Doreen, if you want a laugh, you do need to read the Onion. I admit I don’t check their site very often, but I have a couple of their books…….they’re just incredibly creative with their stories.
“and is light years beyond the college pro Jamarcus Russell”
Russell will not be in the league once it doesn’t cause a huge cap hit to release him. Many warned teams not to draft him, his lack of success was predictable.
As to Sanchez, while Pete Carroll’s angry press conference last year was self-serving, he was correct. Sanchez could have used another year in college. He may eventually be decent, but the Jets have playoff ability just about everywhere else but QB.
BTW, I am not a Jets fan, but I do root very heavily for them twice a year!
The Onion story about Mickey Mouse snubbing Arod was great!
While deployed in the Middle East, I saw iraqi’s with yankee hats on. they had no idea what the symbol meant though.
When Washington & Jenkins went down that was the Jets season
AWH,
Alot of NY music artists wear Yankees caps in their videos. In most places where baseball is not a popular sport, it has more to do with following music video fashion than the Yankees being popular.
Betsy
It was also beyond the realm of reality for a team to get pain in the butt randy moss for a 3rd rounder, and it was also beyond the realm of reality for pain in the butt randy moss to turn his attitude around and be a team player, but the Patriots received him for a 3rd rounder and turned him into RANdy MOSS.
JK, not many Iraqis are watching music videos these days.
You Jets fans are razy if yu’re giving up on Sanchez already. The kid has skills, he’s just young.
BTW, remarkable how fast the media’s turned on Rex Ryan.
Wait till we do it all Over Again
I believe Sanchez will be the man down the road just like Joba & Hughes…. He just stinks right now.
As for Rex, you know how it goes. When you lose the media loves to pile on. He will get the 08 Girardi treatment for the rest of the year.
I’d trade one of the young arms–if it was necessary.
The Yankees just won the WS, and nobody had a career year. Wang played way below prediction, Alex played moderately below prediction, and Tex was minimally below prediction.
There is nothing in the 09 performance of anyone on the Yankees that suggests a falling off for 10, except for age.
However, what PECOTA and the statheads forget is that is today’s modern medical era biologic age is indeed relative. You can’t project Damon, Posada, Matsui, Jeter, Rivera, and Pettite against guys from 20 or even 10 years ago. There’s a heck of a lot more attention paid now to training, nutrition, and use of players.
The clubs (at least the good ones like the Yankees) are totally on top of this, and there’s a lot of medical and scouting information that they have that we can’t see.
Roy Halliday is good, and I’m sure he fits somewhere into the Yankees long range plans, as did CC Sabathia.
However, there is nothing that says if the Yankees sign Pettite to one year, $10 million with incentives, Damon to 2 years, $9 million/year with a club option for year 3, and Matsui to one year at $8 million or so won’t give them a very strong club going into 10.
That would put the payroll at $193 million or so for 10. I’d spend the remaining few million (to keep payroll under $200 million) on Wang ($3 million with incentives), and maybe a utility infielder or lefty bench bat. You can add Molina if you want.
By 2011 you can see if Jackson is the real deal and if Montero is ready. You can see if Hughes and Joba can do it.
If not, the FA class is available then and much better than 10. You need $$$ to keep Jeter and Mo around for another few years anyway.
PittsburghYankeeFan
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
I’d trade one of the young arms–if it was necessary.
The Yankees just won the WS, and nobody had a career year. Wang played way below prediction, Alex played moderately below prediction, and Tex was minimally below prediction.
There is nothing in the 09 performance of anyone on the Yankees that suggests a falling off for 10, except for age.
I would deal Joba before Hughes, somethings I just don’t like about Joba.
I think the Posada fall off has already started to happen. At 38 it’s just that time for ballplayers especially catchers.
Well actually in Panama it wa snot only the Mariano Rivera factor, but also the Carlos “Calicho” Ruiz factor… it was like nyy vs phi everywhere you went… Panama City & Chorrera (Mariano’s turf) vs Chiriqui (Were Ruiz is from)… lots of bandwagon Phillies fan because Ruiz was in the team last year when they won the WS… but Yankee fans are a bigger percentage, before and after this past WS.
ARod is on the American Music Awards NOW.
He introduced Jay-Z and Alicea Keys
Give ya one guess what they’re singing.
Although Alicea started out sing “New York, New York.”
Gary
That’s the problem: saying “it’s just time, especially for catchers.”
This does not take into account a lot of things–Posada did not come up as a catcher, and has only been catching full time for about 10 years.
What about his 2009 stats exactly suggests a major fall off for 2010?
Don’t compare him to Varitek. Given the Sox teams of the 2003-2008 era, PEDs are likely part of that falloff.
And Kate, dear Kate, is there introducing Fergy and the Black Eyed Peas.
CR9
Please go to CR9crybaby.com for future postings whining and crying about the Patriots.
Doreen
Kate was seriously close to a wardrobe malfunction.
“Brady and Youkilis-separated at birth?”
Youkilis is more comparable to the all time great whiner, Paul O’Neill.
“BTW, remarkable how fast the media’s turned on Rex Ryan.”
Is it any less remarkable than the felating they were partaking in after he won a couple a games?
Of course, im from venezuela and everybody was watching the WS, and not because the cervelli or cairo factor..lol
No Yankee had a career year? Last I saw, one Yankee led the majors in HR and RBI.
“No Yankee had a career year? Last I saw, one Yankee led the majors in HR and RBI”
Fairly normal year for Teixeira though. Other side of the argument is nobody came close to having an off year offensively, which is as unusual as nobody having a career year.
Phil
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Figgins sucks and they are not gonna put him in a corner OF slot for the Yanks. He’s a below average OF and has no pop at all for a corner OF slot.
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Agree absolutely. There are people on here who have suggested we acquire Figgins and move him into CF. LMFAO. The guy hasn’t played that position since 2006, and he is not a particularly good OF.
He also has no pop, and is getting old. I have no interest in Figgins and can’t understand the endless fascination with this guy. He had a good series against the Yankees ages ago – he was basically invisible in this year’s ALCS. Give it up, people!
I’m alone in thinking figgins over Damon for left field is a good idea huh? I think the infield power plus allowing matsui to DH can make up for his lack of pop. Heck of a hitter to leadoff with speed…
Unless Toronto is willing to give us Halladay for free, I don’t want him.
It’s simply not worth it to give up 3 top prospects AND pay someone $20 mill for another 3-5 years.
Is the difference in performance of Joba/Hughes vs Halladay really worth $60-100 mill and 3 blue chip prospects? NO NO NO
James (One of the many)
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I’m alone in thinking figgins over Damon for left field is a good idea huh? I think the infield power plus allowing matsui to DH can make up for his lack of pop. Heck of a hitter to leadoff with speed…
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Figgins is 32 years old and will want more years and more money than Damon will get. He’s no outfielder. He’s an infielder that plays at being an outfielder. If NYY has to go after a left fielder, I’d prefer they actually got an outfielder. If Figgins’ legs start giving him any trouble, he’s useless.
“BTW, remarkable how fast the media’s turned on Rex Ryan.”
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Let them turn on him. No one is firing him, so it doesn’t matter what they think.
The guy makes very good half-time adjustments and I really don’t mind that he’s not the cookie-cutter football coach personality.
He’s also dealing with a rookie QB – for that alone he gets a pass. He also lost a mountain at nose guard, and guys like Bart Scott who played off of him occupying the gap are not nearly as effective, and he lost a guy in the backfield who would have helped ease the learning curve for the young QB and given the offense a dimension it sorely lacks in his absence.
Rex is fine with me – I’m just glad the Era of the Ancient Packer was brief.
Sanchez has a future, and no one less than Joe Willie White Shoes was also clueless on when to give up on a play in his rookie year.
I watched Bride Wars with Kate last night-
I liked it more than I thought I would. Kate was moderately unlikeable in the move (Anne Hathaway was much better). The movie was generally cute, but at times obnoxious. I didn’t hate myself for watching it, but probably wouldn’t see it again. On the Kate scale, probably one of her better movies.
“If Figgins’ legs start giving him any trouble, he’s useless.”
Exactly. He only has one way to be effective. He is also the classic jack of all trades, master of none. He can play anywhere defensively but don’t expect an especially high level anywhere.
jake
Funny. Maybe I’ll join NESN and the Celts crew with Tommy Heinsohn. I turned on the Knicks game in the final 2 minutes of regulation today and all that loser Tommy did was whine about how the calls were going against them. The last 7 minutes of the game (including overtime) was filled with whining from Tawmmy. Tawmmy forgot that his team got handed an NBA championship.
RE: Brady’s whining.
As much as I dislike Brady, at least he is something and has some right to complain. Paul O’neill complained about his own performance as much as anything else.
Please do not compare Scumbag Youkilis to either of the two. That doofus has never taken a called strike in his life, at least in his opinion.
I’d agree figgins would want 4 years, I have trouble thinking he’d struggle in left and like his speed, versatility, and ability to leadoff. Perhaps my interest in him is mostly based on a disinterest in bay/holliday and thinking Damon wants 3+. The point he has had injuries shouldnt be overlooked though.
We’re not giving Damon 3 years. I have zero interest in Bay/Holliday myself. I can’t get worked up over RHB who I don’t consider elite players to begin with, demanding multi-year deals.
Exactly. He only has one way to be effective. He is also the classic jack of all trades, master of none. He can play anywhere defensively but don’t expect an especially high level anywhere.
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Right, let that definition of player be realized in someone younger. We are TRYING to get younger.
I guess I’d rather give figgins 4 than Damon 3 or bay /holliday 5+, but i can see drawbacks on figgins as well. If Johnny takes two I’m game, it does leave matsui in the wind, which is reasonable given his knees
Any word on how our kids are doing in Dominican Instructs? Particularly – how is Urena faring?
bodhi,
I think Dominican Instructs are over, though I can’t say that for sure.
James,
James,
We have a bunch of toolsy, athletic OF types (mostly IFAs) who have ETAs like 2012-2013 – Heathcott, Duran, DeLeon, Sosa among them, and that’s just scratching the surface. (Abe Almonte, Melky Mesa, Ramon Flores…etc).
There’s also AJax, and according to GB7, Romine could wind up a COF.
Why, under the circumstances, would we give a 4 year deal to a 32 year old swing guy on the downside of his career to clog up an outfield spot? It’s not like making a deal for a Granderson type.
The stated goal is to get younger and more athletic. We are looking for a lean deal to bring Damon back on – two years tops. If they don’t trade away AJax, I’m sure the hope is he will be a mainstay in the OF in two years’ time.
Phil
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:08 pm
bodhi,
I think Dominican Instructs are over, though I can’t say that for sure.
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According to Patrick Teale (PSP, which I know you’re familiar with) they’re ongoing. He was going to check out Urena, but since Chad is chummy with Mark Newman, he might get updates on these guys.
The Dominican Instructs been over with for about a couple of weeks.
BTW, for Phil and other prospect observers, Mike Ashmore ran a little blurb on Christian Garcia about a week or so ago.
No real news on his rehab – won’t really know much until Feb/March.
I was glad to see his name in circulation, nonetheless.
Guess my only defense would be that I don’t think figgins has the wear and tear his age dictates or is on the downside of his career. ETA’s are awfully tough to determine and a guy like figgins has such versatility he clogs no one position. What if you don’t get Damon on a lean deal, who is your lf’er then bod? Just curious
Let me correct myself, the Dominican Instructs are still on-going even though they started earlier this month. They’ll be finish at the end of the month. An update regarding Urena will be coming once they’re over with according to Patrick Teale.
crawdaddy
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
The Dominican Instructs been over with for about a couple of weeks.
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Not according to Teale, who was going to catch up with Mata once they conclude.
So much for the poster who announced that Urena is done as a system guy. That apparently remains to be seen.
James (One of the many)
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Guess my only defense would be that I don’t think figgins has the wear and tear his age dictates or is on the downside of his career. ETA’s are awfully tough to determine and a guy like figgins has such versatility he clogs no one position. What if you don’t get Damon on a lean deal, who is your lf’er then bod? Just curious
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Sure, they’re just projections, but we have a bunch of these guys whose ETAs coincide around the same time – the odds are, someone’s going to get a serious look.
On LF – I don’t like any of the FA options, so I’ll just keep my fingers crossed on Damon. Who knows, they might make some sort of deal, which would alter the landscape. If they were to get Granderson, Melky would slide into a corner spot (the OPS thing is less of a big deal if Granderson’s clubbing 30 HR as a CF).
a-rod sitting with the black eyed peas at the lakers game..just sayin
I believe I like the Granderson move more and more every day. I don’t particularly like any of the free agents. Sure, Bay and Halladay are fantastic hitters, but I’d still like someone younger, with a little bit more speed, and very good defense. I definitely rather obtain a Center Fielder than a Left Fielder for that reason. Also, Granderson will probably come a bit cheaper than the two guys mentioned.
The granderson vs leftys stuff doesn’t bother many here than, I guess another reason I like figgins is not wanting to trade much for granderson with Ajax waiting
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 pm
James,
James,
We have a bunch of toolsy, athletic OF types (mostly IFAs) who have ETAs like 2012-2013 – Heathcott, Duran, DeLeon, Sosa among them, and that’s just scratching the surface. (Abe Almonte, Melky Mesa, Ramon Flores…etc).
There’s also AJax, and according to GB7, Romine could wind up a COF.
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Bodh, there may have been a bit of a misunderstanding about Romine. That’s not something that I heard about moving Romine to a corner outfield spot. Mainly, it was from the pre-games that I observed on days when He was DHing that Romine would take instruction at both corners of the outfield and some infield. It wasn’t just shagging, but, instruction. Montero had very little of this sort of instruction. Sorry if I left that impression.
I was only looking at it from the view that Romine was a little slow handed and not real quick with his foot movement. What he has is a very good arm and good footspeed to play a corner. PAT M said about 6-8 months ago that he was thinking 3rd base, mainly from what he had noticed about the hands and foot shifts when PAT saw him in high school.
If the Yankees think that Romine won’t stick at C they will probably trade him fairly soon because that’s where his maximum value lies.
Why trade a young bat like Romine when he could be playing in NY as soon as 2011? There is one decent outfielder that may hit free agency in November of 2011, Crawford. There is no way to guarantee that he’d sign with the Yanks. Having other players that can play an outfield spot and catch is a luxery that not many teams have, meaning that they can carry 3 catchers. If you add Montero, you have a fourth.
Posada is no DH. In 400 at bats in his career, Posada is hitting about .225 with 9 homers and 45 RBI as a DH/pinch hitter. He will be gone after 2011.
Shortly after that, NYY will have more catchers available to be traded. NYY is not desparate for any pitchers or position players at this time. After 2010, NYY will be looking for a pitcher and maybe outfield help to replace Swisher.
NYY has 8 minor league players that I would not move in a trade….Jesus Montero, Brandon Laird, Austin Romine, Austin Jackson, Manny Banuelos, David Phelps, DJ Mitchell and Hector Moesi. For the right deal, I’d move any other eligible minor leaguer or Chamberlain.
GB7 what are the moves you’d like to see this offseason? just curious; i’d personally like damon at 2 years/figgins at 3/4, matsui for 1 if damon doesnt come back, chapman, pettitte and a reasonable trade for halladay or pursue lackey in FA I guess.
This is all speculation based on information I have never heard before: that Romine won’t stick as a catcher.
If, for the sake of argument, that view is shared by the Yankees but not by other teams, I think they could get an excellent OF prospect (or young veteran OFer) for Romine because of the premium price paid for catchers that can hit based on the scarcity of quality catching prospects in MiLB.
That scarcity is the reason that the Yankees have adopted a strategy of stockpiling catchers. That is, once they identify who the heir apparent to Posada is, they can look to trade from strength from that positional redundancy.
As for Posada, I think he will be given an extended opportunity to show that he can adapt to being a DH, particularly so that he can get extended PT in 2011.
I would trade anyone if it improves the team in both the short and long run. It’s just that the price I would want for Montero, for example, would likely be prohibitive for most teams.
It would be interesting to know what’s the rating in Taiwan, especially compared to that of 2007 when Wang did pitch.
GB7,
Thanks for the very specific post. I greatly appreciate the detail and thought you bring to your commentary in general, but especially about the young guys in the system that pass through your way.
I actually understood originally that it was an individual observation on your part, and not some forward-moving, foregone conclusion or plan on the part of the Yanks.
But I like very much your ideas in this regard – ditto the Cervelli becoming more adept at 3B one.
BTW, regarding catchers, don’t know if you’ve heard of yet another young one – Francisco Arcia – has been compared with Cervelli defensively, is a switchy, I believe, and is said to have some power. His name has popped up very recently, so there’s not exactly a body of information to draw on just yet.
Yanks are just a catcher factory at this point.
About to watch one of my favorite actresses – Bette Davis – and then turn in. Night all.
An old bette Davis is way more spooky than figgins
bodhi,
Don’t forget Kyle Perkins who, I believe, is finally coming to the states this coming Spring.
What about Mike Cameron for LF??? If we can get him on a 1 year deal, with a team option for the 2nd year, we won’t be locked into a long contract and he won’t clog up the OF for when AJAX is ready. He’s a better defender than Damon and Granderson… he produces the same at the plate as Granderson and when you factor in defense, he’s about the same as Damon, but you can get him for cheaper and less years and compared to Granderson, you don’t have to give up any players to get him. While it’s true that it won’t make the team any younger, he IS the same age as Damon and he will just be a stopgap until AJAX is ready.
Opinions???
Sierchio vs melky you’d pay Cameron? For what? at how much more?
Granderson…..Jackson could still be 2 seasons away
granderson hit 183 vs lefties last year, no worry? hit 160 vs them in 07? how much you want to trade for him with ajax in the wings?
No doubt the New York Yankees are world wide well known.
I live in Mérida, Yucatán, a beautiful city less than 200 miles from Cancún. I’m sure no one on the Yankees’ organization has any idea about how much popular the Yankees down here. They are loved and venerated. Period.
My city is, thank God, one of the few places here in México where baseball is much popular than fútbol, what you call soccer. And the Yankees are, by far, the favorite team over here. In fact, some hours ago, my family and I went to a shopping mall (Plaza Altabrisa) and there was a sports store full of T-shirts and jerseys from the Yankees.
We, yucatecans, home of the Mayan civilization, are very proud to be Yankees fans.
Sorry for my mistakes.
“how much popular the Yankees down here” = how much popular the Yankees are down here.
“where baseball is much popular than fútbol” = where baseball is more popular than fútbol.
James, I don’t understand your question “Sierchio vs melky you’d pay Cameron? For what? at how much more?”
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 am
GB7,
Thanks for the very specific post. I greatly appreciate the detail and thought you bring to your commentary in general, but especially about the young guys in the system that pass through your way.
I actually understood originally that it was an individual observation on your part, and not some forward-moving, foregone conclusion or plan on the part of the Yanks.
But I like very much your ideas in this regard – ditto the Cervelli becoming more adept at 3B one.
BTW, regarding catchers, don’t know if you’ve heard of yet another young one – Francisco Arcia – has been compared with Cervelli defensively, is a switchy, I believe, and is said to have some power. His name has popped up very recently, so there’s not exactly a body of information to draw on just yet.
Yanks are just a catcher factory at this point.
About to watch one of my favorite actresses – Bette Davis – and then turn in. Night all.
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Bodh, I haven’t seen Francisco Arcia, so, not much I can add. Just looked at his numbers. At 6 foot and 150 pounds, he seems rather fragile to hold up. Maybe he can add some weight.
There is one more interesting catcher down in Charleston, Mitch Abeita. Not really sure what to think of him. The times that I saw him, he did quite well. The problem is, it was the rest of the games that he didn’t do much. Not sure which is real….defensively or offensively. I’d say kind of like PJ Pilittere with Trenton. Of course, I didn’t think much of Cervelli, either…so you never know. Abeita is 22 years old.
i see that we are now entering the third winter of “why not cameron”. Of the candidates for LF that i’ve seen mentioned here, id take dejesus, then damon, then melky (gardner in cf), then granderson, then cameron last. the thing about cameron is that everywhre he’s been he always seems to be less than his stats would indicate. the 150 strikeouts always seem to come at the wrong time. not that he’s a terrible option, but it just seems like he gets alot more intest on this blog than he deserves.
It’s not so easy to get Granderson – we have no idea what the Tigers will ask for him, but undoubtedly it would include AJax. If we’re trying to keep CF warm for him, then getting Granderson won’t do it.
What’s with all the Cameron talk? That’s SO last season. j/k
I really don’t understand the Granderson (and now Cameron) talk. The real issues this year for the Yankees are LF, DH, and another starting pitcher (I agree with Betsy that CF is being kept for AJax).
If management is willing to dole out the money, then Holliday would make a great addition. Better defence than Damon, and he would be great protection for ARod.
Bring back Matsui for another year. He hits lefties and righties, has always produced (even with the bad knees), and is proven in New York.
If we can get Halladay for cheap (and by cheap I mean few prospects), then that would really solidify our rotation, and provide insurance against one of our starters getting injured.
One option I mentioned on another thread is trading for Halladay and Wells. The Jays would love to get rid of Wells’ contract, and he would be an upgrade defensively over Damon. If he can bounce back from 2 years of aggravating injuries, he can be an excellent offensive player batting in the 5,6 or 7 spot. We would be basically getting Halladay for fewer prospects because we’re taking on Wells’ contract.
Hey Bud.. hows about a “Viewer Tax”? Any team that attracts more viewers than, say the Orioles, Marlins or the Nationals, should be charged a tax for every additional viewer. The money can go to pay people to sit through the games of the least viewed teams, in order to make it fair and equitable.