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Duncan elects free agency

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 25, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On a day we’re sure to keep talking about hypothetical scenarios and Roy Halladay trade rumors, there is one bit of concrete Yankees news.

Shelley Duncan has cleared waivers and, as he indicated last week, he has elected to become a free agent rather than accept an outright assignment to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Halladay holiday.

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93 Responses to “Duncan elects free agency”

  1. Erin November 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Good luck to Duncan wherever he ends up. I always liked him.

  2. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Thanks, Wait.

  3. Wait till we do it all Over Again November 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Not a problem CR9. ;-)

  4. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I wonder if he winds up in St. Louis with his dad.

  5. Mike in Harrisburg November 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Godspeed, Timmay

  6. ash November 25th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Always figured if he’d been with any other team than the Yankees this past season, he’d’ve been up (AND playing rather than bench-warming) much, much earlier than the day before the end of SWB’s regular season.

  7. Ravi Jain November 25th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    God riddance. Was too concerned with power rather than fundamental baseball.

  8. Ravi Jain November 25th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Good riddance. Was too concerned with power rather than fundamental baseball.

  9. ANSKY November 25th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Duncan will find a team he can play with at the major league level. Watch him sign with Tampa and become friends with Jhonny Gomes. That’d be a good hockey team.

    Good luck to Shelley.

  10. Roger(live from Amsterdam) November 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Just curious..how much does a guy like Duncan make?

  11. pat November 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    gomes isn’t on the rays anymore,he’s on the reds

  12. ANSKY November 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Then let’s see if he signs with the Reds!

  13. pat November 25th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    around $400,000

  14. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    By the way – I’m going to be giddy when moves start being made and we can stop talking about Roy Halladay.

    My *updated* plan.

    Yankees re-sign Andy (1 year 11 mil)
    Yankees sign Aroldis Chapman (5 years 35 mil)
    Yankees re-sign Damon (2 years 20 mil)
    Yankees sign Ben Sheets (2 years, 10 mil + incentives)
    Yankees trade IPK, Melky & Kevin Russo to CWS for Carlos Quentin

  15. Brian Cashmen (GM of NYY) November 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Repost from earlier thread didn’t relize there is a new thread,

    As I see fans on this blog sugesting all kind of trades I teach you something, as a GM the 1st thing you have to know is “sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war”, a lot of you fans wants Roy Haladay because…..if we don’t get him boston will……,let’s take it slowly we have 2 aces in our staff (remember AJ’s game vs. Becket?) So we don’t need another ace,additional to this if we do get haladay because this will make us stronger…think of this, in 2 yrs from now we’ll have an ace of 31 yrs old & after him we’ll have 2 35 year old pitchers….at the other hand boston will have Becket,make a deal for king Felix/Johnson/Grienky/Etc, then they will have lester & Dice-K, so we’ll have locked up big bucks on aging vets with no room to add salary & boston will have a solid young 4…..let boston get Haladay & empty their farm then throw big bucks @ him & we’ll have a solid young pitching staff sprinkled with a few vets, JUST LEAVE IT UP TO ME I’M GETTING PAID FOR THIS JOB & NONE OF YOU DO!!!!!!!

  16. Roger(live from Amsterdam) November 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    that’s not to bad

  17. Roger(live from Amsterdam) November 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    chip

    How many planes do you have for the yankees?haha

  18. Patrick the Prospect Hugger November 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    I doubt Chicago would trade Quentin for 3 mediocre players. He is possibly a superstar hitter. He missed time with injuries this year and had an extremely unlucky year at the plate. BABIP of .223 … ouch

  19. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Hypothetical:

    Would you trade Joba to Cincy for Jay Bruce?

    Argument against: Young good pitching is harder to find than position players. Bruce, in his 2 years has a very poor OBP and do we know if that’s going to improve?

    Argument for: Bruce would be a lock in RF for the next 15 years – we have no idea what Joba is going to be, whether he’s going to be a starter or reliever.

  20. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Brian Cashman –

    Thanks for that lesson. Let me return the favor by someday teaching you grammar.

    Roger -

    I have several plans. As I said, there are only a few things I wouldn’t do:

    1. Give Damon more than 2 years or Matsui more than 1 year
    2. Play Melky everyday in a corner OF spot
    3. Trade for Jose Guillen or Milton Bradley

    Patrick -

    Possibly right – but asking never hurt anyone. And if I had to cough up another prospect (Melancon, Robertson, McAllister) I would do it.

  21. gianthinker November 25th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I hope Shelley does well. I always liked him. The Mets might be a good place where he could platoon with Murphy at 1st and sub in the corner OF spots when needed.

  22. gianthinker November 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    I disagree. I’d take Jose Guillen in a second. The Yankees and more importantly their core of players wouldn’t allow him to get away with his regular act and he would be the bat we need in our 5 hole.

  23. gianthinker November 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “Yankees re-sign Andy (1 year 11 mil)
    Yankees sign Aroldis Chapman (5 years 35 mil)
    Yankees re-sign Damon (2 years 20 mil)
    Yankees sign Ben Sheets (2 years, 10 mil + incentives)”

    Love all of that. Don’t want CQ though and definitely not at that price.

  24. betsy November 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    CB, terrific post.

    As to the Dodgers and Angels, who knows if Doc wants to go out West? The buzz all along has been that he prefers the East Coast and teams that train in Florida.

    What’s special about Casey Kelly that he’s the most talked about low minors prospect? The Jays wouldn’t accept that?

    Cash does not like to trade his young players. He traded Tabata because the kid had major issues…….I doubt he’ll trade Joba or Phil.

  25. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Random trade proposal that will never happen but what the heck it’s nearly Thanksgiving

    Detroit gets: Joba, Swisher, Igawa, Melancon, McAllister, Brackman

    Yankees get: Edwin Jackson and Miggy Cabrera

    Detroit clears all the payroll they’re trying to clear and gets a couple of good prospects in Joba, Melancon and Brackman

    Yankees get a good mid rotation arm in Jackson for not much money and wind up with a middle of the order of Cabrera, Tex and Alex.

  26. PittsburghYankeeFan November 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    No CQ. Otherwise looks good, although Rolaids Chapman will need a few years to mature.

    I wish Shelly would put a mild hurt on Theo (nothing too serious) before he leaves–maybe a headlock and some noogies. Anyway, I wish him well.

  27. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Chad Gaudin) November 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    “I disagree. I’d take Jose Guillen in a second. The Yankees and more importantly their core of players wouldn’t allow him to get away with his regular act and he would be the bat we need in our 5 hole.”

    Now why would the Yanks touch Guillen? he has a horrible contract, and he can’t get on base. Melky is way better than him.

  28. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    The Yankees and more importantly their core of players wouldn’t allow him to get away with his regular act and he would be the bat we need in our 5 hole.

    I don’t really care about his attitude – well I do but it isn’t the major factor – the fact that he never gets on base is a bigger concern.

  29. Pat M. November 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    How much better is Doc Hallady than John Lackey ???? I’ve watched Lackey pitch an awful lot being I live in So. Cal. & he’s a very fine pitcher…..So is Doc 3 wins a saeson better ? is he a plus 12 ( ie. 20-8 ) as opposed to Lackey being a plus 9 ( ie 17-8 ) ….So is D

  30. Patrick the Prospect Hugger November 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Chip what is the point of posting nonsense trade proposals that will never happen?

  31. Pat M. November 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    continuation ….So is Doc 8 million dollars better plus a Young Master Hughes & or a Joba Chamberlain ??? Included to this equation there’s a Austin Jackson & or a Jesus Montero to consider……..NO he’s not……

  32. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Chip what is the point of posting nonsense trade proposals that will never happen?

    After two weeks of people talking about trading for:

    Roy Halladay
    Curtis Granderson
    King Felix
    Josh Johnson
    David DeJesus
    etc…

    This is what offends your sensibilities?

    Anyway, to answer your question – there is no point. Things are quiet at the office and I’m killing time. At least I prefaced it by saying that it was never going to happen.

  33. Chip November 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    And with that – I wish everyone a happy thanksgiving.

  34. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    “Always figured if he’d been with any other team than the Yankees this past season, he’d’ve been up (AND playing rather than bench-warming) much”

    Nice guy, but he’s not a major league regular on ANY team.

    Wish him luck though.

  35. Jim November 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Looks like chip & gb are the same guy (maybe its francesca??) With idiotic proposals & ripping everyone that is saying something they don’t like, a blog is for everyone to make his opinion & for those idiot to try to shut everyone & make headscratching comments on everyone they dislike

  36. Patrick from CT November 25th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    What kind of contract is John Lackey going to really get?
    I think he’s asking for 6-7 years at 20mil per.
    Personally I think he is worth about the same as AJ got last year, maybe a little bit more. Certainly not 120+mil.
    If Andy retires, maybe the Yankees do make him an offer similar to AJ’s. I like that better than trading and paying for Roy Halladay.

  37. Pat M. November 25th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Chip, Don’t get frustrated by comments here….This is my 4 th offseson here and actually some of the trade proposals are much better than in years past…….Should have been here for the Santana talks, trust me, there were only a few of us who cried out for no trade…Regardless of what is written here now a days……

  38. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Chad Gaudin) November 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    “If Andy retires, maybe the Yankees do make him an offer similar to AJ’s. I like that better than trading and paying for Roy Halladay.”

    I would like a Rich Harden. he could be a low risk/high reward kind of player. just sign him to a contract with incentives.

  39. "Baseball Genius" November 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    How about if the Yankees sign Lackey, then Hallady, who wants to go to a contender and realizes Boston has no chance if the Yanks have Lackey, demands a trade to the Yankees, agreeing to a very reasonable per year salary extension, ensuring that he gets to play for a contender for many years, the rotation becomes:

    Halladay
    CC
    Lackey
    AJ
    Pettite/Hughes
    plus Ben Sheets signed to an incentive laden contract could spot start or pith out of the bullpen

  40. Mark in Tampa November 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    “Personally I think he is worth about the same as AJ got last year, maybe a little bit more.”

    He probably will get about AJ’s contract or a little more, but I don’t think he should. AJ was being paid as much for what he is capable of doing, whereas Lackey will be getting paid primarily based on what he has done.

    AJ’s stuff is still as good as it ever was, he was being viewed as a guy now learning how to pitch. Lackey has had more serious injury issues than AJ, and already has had an incremental loss in his velocity.

    Having said that(CYE reference), Lackey will get the 5/80 deal or so, because that is how baseball contracts have worked. It’s just that I would worry about years 2-5 on that deal.

  41. Mike RI November 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Having said that(CYE reference), Lackey will get the 5/80 deal or so, because that is how baseball contracts have worked. It’s just that I would worry about years 2-5 on that deal.

    -Why would you worry about 2-5 . He’s only 31. Lackey is bulldog and a very good pticher. If his deal is 5 for 80. i jump on that .

    I like Lackey Alot ..

  42. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    “AJ’s stuff is still as good as it ever was, he was being viewed as a guy now learning how to pitch”

    When do you think he will?

  43. Mark in Tampa November 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    “Halladay
    CC
    Lackey
    AJ
    Pettite/Hughes
    plus Ben Sheets signed to an incentive laden contract could spot start or pith out of the bullpen”

    Great rotation, but you forgot to leave room for Lincecum, Felix, and Josh Johnson!
    And how about Pujols for DH, Mauer catching, and Kemp and Ethier in the outfield?

    ;)

  44. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Chip

    While that may be a “ridiculous” trade proposal, it is one that would be fawned over as a great deal for both sides by ESPN if it were the Sox and Tigers in that deal.

    And it is no less ridiculous than Clay Clubine and Kelly Casey for Roy Halladay.

    I have a great point re: Halladay. Anybody, let me know if you agree.

    The Blue Jays are closer in terms of competing to the Red Sox than the Red Sox are to the Yankees.

    For the Blue Jays to give Halladay to the Red Sox, most likely would eliminate the Jays from the Wild Card contention.

    Not that the Jays even have a shot anyway, and not that the Yankees have the division in hand, but looking at the construction of the teams of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Jays, the Yankees are set up to make a nice run at division titles and playoff runs, the Red Sox have an old offense and question marks for pitching, the Jays could surpass the Red Sox, in theory.

    All I am saying is it is most likely that the Yankees finish ahead of the Jays next year, even if the Jays have Halladay. But if the Jays have Halladay, they could compete with the Sox and Rays for the WC if the Yankees win the division. Why give away that chance?

    If anything, give Halladay to the Yankees (make an under the table deal in which Halladay will not be started against the Jays by the Yankees) and your team is still close to the Red Sox.

  45. Pat M. November 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t know the exact numbers, but from what I remember from October, was that Lackey tied the vaulted Yankee lineup in knots….When he was pulled in Game 1 it opened the door for the Bombers….Cliff Lee was outstanding in Game 1, however John Lackey was the more feared starter………All this pitching talk is interesting, however for me the most pressing issue I see is who is going to hit behind Alex if Matsui leaves……Was the Yankee offense in 2009 an over achieving group ??? Can we really expect the same output in 2010…..I don’t think so…

  46. Mark in Tampa November 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    “When do you think he will?”

    After this year, maybe never. :) I was stating that I think that was part of why he got a very nice contract.

    “Why would you worry about 2-5 . He’s only 31.”

    Not every pitcher is going maintain into their late 30′s just because others have done it. Also, if you buy what the Yankees are selling; if they sign Lackey, Pettitte won’t be back.

    It wouldn’t be Lackey instead of Joba/Phil, it would be Lackey instead of Pettitte. It doesn’t sound as good that way.

  47. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    “But if the Jays have Halladay, they could compete with the Sox and Rays for the WC”

    What evidence is there to suggest that? The Jays finished 20 games behind Boston and 10 behind Tampa even with coming out seasons from Hill and Lind and a stellar year from Hallday.

  48. Mike RI November 25th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Mark in Tampa

    -Also, if you buy what the Yankees are selling; if they sign Lackey, Pettitte won’t be back.

    Im not buying that. I never heard any of that coming from the Yankees

    What i did hear from Girardi is that he wants the staff adressed. He said we have 2 known pitchers and the rest is a “mix”.

    Now you can add an older Pettite to the mix. But we still need another starter. why mess with unproven , unhealthy pitchers like a Sheets , Harden , or Bedard when you can sign the cream of the crop in Lackey.

    The Red Sox did the same trick last year. Smoltz, and Penny and they got burned bad for it , Espcially when Dice K and Wake got hurt.

    Lackey is very good pitcher. Look at what he did to us the past 5 years . including this years playoffs

  49. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Squidward, when you look at it like that, I am probably wrong. But the Jays have a decent core of young pitchers. The Red Sox hitters will be 1 year older next year. They have no guarantee of pitching except Lester and possibly Beckett. And according to ESPN, Beckett was injured again last year towards the end. Dice-K and Wake coming off injuries, Buchholz is just a plain 100 pitch 5 inning bum. Their bullpen collapsed towards the end of last year. Manny DelCarmen could not even make the postseason roster. I could definitely see the Red Sox regressing next year and maybe the Jays could be a bit closer at the very least.

  50. Bronx Jeers November 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    “The Blue Jays are closer in terms of competing to the Red Sox than the Red Sox are to the Yankees.”

    That’s just not accurate.

  51. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Oh, and half the Jays pitchers were injured. Marcum, McGowan were injured. I don’t even know if Gustavo Chacin still exists.

  52. Erin November 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    betsy
    November 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    As to the Dodgers and Angels, who knows if Doc wants to go out West? The buzz all along has been that he prefers the East Coast and teams that train in Florida.

    ********************

    Betsy, I don’t put too much stock in those “he wants to stay in the east” reports. That’s all we heard about CC last winter, how he was looking for a west coast team. And we know how that turned out ;)

  53. Mark in Tampa November 25th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Mike RI,

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I don’t like Lackey as a pitcher. My original response about him had to do with what kind of contract he might get. I think he is their best option to realistically add to the rotation if Pettitte retires.

    My opinion, based on what the Yankees have said about controlling the payroll, is that there will only be one large outlay of money to a starting pitcher this offseason. Whether that is Pettitte, Halladay, Lackey, or someone else remains to be seen.

    It is also not completely out of the realm of possibility that I might be wrong about that.

  54. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “The Blue Jays are closer in terms of competing to the Red Sox than the Red Sox are to the Yankees.”

    This line should have read Blue Jays closer to the Red Sox than the Blue Jays are to the Yankees.

    While it’s entirely possible or even likely that the Red Sox win the division next year, the team is set up for a regression, while the Yankees have built a solid foundation for the present and future.

    The Jays could surpass the Red Sox as it is currently set up, but not the Yankees. Why help the Red Sox distance themselves even further.

  55. Stateman52 November 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    The Mets could use Duncan, in fact the Mets could use Horace Clarke.

  56. Rishi November 25th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Mike (Utica, NY)

    Would you deal Montero in a package that is lead with Chamberlain or Hughes for Roy Halladay, or would you find someone else to put in the deal besides Montero?

    Jim Callis (2:06 PM)

    If I’m the Yankees, I’d try to hold onto Montero. But if I don’t think he can catch (and I personally don’t) and I have Mark Teixeira to play first base for several years and several older players who are going to need time at DH, I’d give up Montero if that meant getting Halladay. We don’t know if Montero can play left field, but that’s the only other possible opening and he’s no lock to be able to handle that.

    sean (orlando)

    If Damon and Matsui end up overpricing themselves to the point that the Yankees decide to let both walk away, are Austin Jackson and Montero ready enough to take both their places at this point? I would think that the rest of the lineup is strong enough that the team could handle some early growing pains.

    Jim Callis (2:07 PM)

    I think the Yankees could get by with that, or upgrade their defense by putting Gardner in center field and Cabrera in left field. But the Yankees are in win-now mode, as always, and I don’t think they’re going to plan to just hand over LF to Jackson, who didn’t hit for power this year, or Montero, who has never played LF. They have the money to sign Holliday or Bay or Figgins (and make him a LF) if they want.

  57. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    “I could definitely see the Red Sox regressing next year and maybe the Jays could be a bit closer at the very least.”

    Certainly possible. Have to see what happens. Assuming the same cast of offensive characters, including Bay, I seem them as a little better with a full season of Martinez (and as importantly, only 30-35 games a Varitek). Also can’t totally close the book on Ortiz yet IMO. He was Varitekian for the 1st two months of the season, but from June 1 on:

    Ortiz: 27 homers, 81 RBI, .904 OPS
    Teixeira: 23 homers, 78 RBI, .932 OPS
    Arod: 23 homers, 83 RBI, .920 OPS

    He was back to hitting on a level slightly below the big boys, and while nowhere close to where he was a few years ago, he was at the high end DH level again. With this being a walk year, I’d peg him at a lot closer to the guy the last 4 months of the season than the 1st 2. Also note Beckett is in a walk year.

    They aren’t the Yankees by any stretch, but there’s little reason to think the Jays are competing them either. In fact, as far as the Wild Card goes, depending on what the Rays do, the only team I’d worry about if I were Boston would probably be the White Sox.

  58. Phil November 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Callis is the imbecile who didn’t think Cano could play 2B.

  59. TB November 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Marlins aren’t frugal enough to trade Hanley? If they were, he’d be bar-none the best bat the Yanks could acquire this off-season.

    Joba, IK, and A-Jax… There’s your corner OF of the future. Done and Done.

  60. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    “But if I don’t think he can catch (and I personally don’t)”

    I think Jim Callis is Baseball America. If so, this just proves my point of B.A. being Red Sox stinksniffers.

    Jesus Montero cannot catch, but Casey Kelly can play SS and Pitcher. And get this, guys, he can play both at the same time!

  61. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “Callis is the imbecile who didn’t think Cano could play 2B.”

    He was probably the only one. Lot of “imbeciles” think Montero won’t be a catcher though.

  62. David (In Seattle) November 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    “Would you deal Montero in a package that is lead with Chamberlain or Hughes for Roy Halladay”

    Oh I would do anything for Love,
    But I won’t do THAT

  63. Roger(live from Amsterdam) November 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    I would:

    -sign matsui a one year deal
    -sign pettite a one year deal
    -let damon walk
    -trade for granderson(for something like kennedy+romine)
    -sign lackey

    Lineup:
    SS jeter,CF granderson,1B texiera,3B rodriguez,Dh matsui,C posada,2B cano,RF swisher,LF cabrera

    SR:
    sabathia
    lackey
    burnett
    pettite
    hughes

    Bullpen:Rivera,chamberlain,marte,robertson,bruney,aceves,coke

  64. Phil November 25th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Squidward,

    fewere imbeciles every year. More are now conceding that he will probably be average.

  65. Phil November 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    The Red Sox support BA, the Yanks don’t have a relationship with BA anymore.

  66. Patrick the Prospect Hugger November 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Callis doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    Scouts around baseball have been talking about how improved Montero is behind the plate. He’s never going to be a gold glover back there but there has been a lot of talk about how he might be a viable catcher. In fact, one scout said that Montero is a better defensive catcher than Romine.

    I wonder when the last time Callis saw Montero catch. He probably simply looks at his height and weight and comes to bogus conclusions.

  67. Squidward November 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Hope so Phil. Everyone I’ve ever read say he can has had some tie to the Yankees. Waiting for some independent sources. I keep reading good arm, but slow release and iffy footwork.

    Time will tell. He’s travelling on his bat anyway.

  68. Enough Pitching Changes November 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    “Detroit gets: Joba, Swisher, Igawa, Melancon, McAllister, Brackman
    Yankees get: Edwin Jackson and Miggy Cabrera”

    why on god’s green earth would the tigers want that crap…first of all don’t have trades in which the yankees are trading igawa..no one, except brian cashman wants igawa..and in return give us jackson and cabrera…?????????????????????????????????????????????????/

  69. CC Rider November 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    “Oh I would do anything for Love,
    But I won’t do THAT”

    Meat Loaf in da house!

  70. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Squidward, if you keep waiting for independent sources, you might be 100 years old or in the grave before it happens.

    Unfortunately, there are no organizations like B.A. or B.P. or ESPN that will stinksniff the Yankees as they do the Red Sox.

    Via HOF honoree Peter Gammons:

    By the way, in case anybody missed the news: Casey kelly can play both SS and RHP, and he can do both at the same time.

  71. m November 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    What a bargain. Andruw Jones for $500K

  72. steveoh November 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Didn’t Halladay say he wouldn’t sign an extension? If not, then he’s not worth much in trade value. Certainly not Hughes, Chamberlain, Montero or Jackson.

    Plus, while he’s 32 now, he’ll be 33 for most of next season. Any extension, if possible, would be for years 34, 35, 36… Those are the years pitchers often start declining.

    So, trading top prospects and signing a long term extension for a guy who will be in his mid-30′s may not be the best idea.

  73. MichaelPTRS November 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Stinksiffers?

    ROFL!!

    That’s fantastic I’m changing my name imediately.

  74. StinksnifferPTRS November 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Callis and Gammons are dirty RedSox apologists

  75. Mark in Tampa November 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Why would any team give up anything of value for this?

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....sey-kelly/

  76. DaSaint007 November 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Good luck to Shelly Duncan. He’ll be a cheap DH candidate for someone, somewhere, just not here.

    Jesus Montero reminds me of Victor Martinez. Both are good to great hitters with limited defensive skills. Posada had better than average defensive skills and was able to survive so long as a catcher because he wasn’t one originally. He was a second baseman converted to catcher.

    I say all that to saya that unless Montero is better than average defensively AND superior offensively, he’ll never be an everyday catcher and will be converted to 1B. IF that’s the case, Tex is taking up space for the next what, seven years and he won’t see the light of day on this team. IF that’s the case Montero could be traded.

    Austine Romine is reported to be better than average defensively and better than average offensively. Therefore he stands an even chance of either becoming and everyday catcher or being traded.

    Pettitte is almost certain to resign and becomes our #3 for now, unless he does a Moose move. If he retires, the Yankees push for Lackey. If he doesn’t they don’t, and instead seek smaller fish.

    Cashman doesn’t trade prospects AND do gargantuan contract extensions. Period.

  77. StinksnifferPTRS November 25th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Halladay will not have a power pitchers decline he’s too talented and doesn’t rely on blowing people away.

    Halladay at 36 37 even 38 granted will throw with less velocity but his command and movement will not diminish significantly IMHO.

  78. Doreen November 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Taking a break from Thanksgiving cooking and catching up here.

    So, the summary would be that the Yankees should stay away from Halladay, and if the Red Sox get him so be it?

    No one is concerned that the Red Sox would add a Super Ace who shuts down the Yankees, a team he would face FOR THEM and not the lowly Blue Jays, about 4 times? Added to a staff of Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and whoever else?

    After CC and AJ, the Yankees rotation is not top notch. And AJ, well, we all know AJ now. Pettitte is good, but not great and aging. And Hughes and Joba, much as I love ‘em and want them to be all we hope them to be, are no sure things next season. So you’ve got one sure thing in CC, one firecracker in AJ, and the rest mediocre.

  79. S.o.S. November 25th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    This reeks the Santana trade talks all over again. Both teams wont end up with Halliday. They will bring up the price for someone like the Halos to land him. Get Lackey, Granderson and Ankeil. Then call it a day.

    Happy Thanksgiving my fellow Champions!!

  80. S.o.S. November 25th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    DaSaint,
    I predict someone today will come out today and say keep Montero, trade Tex. Have Montero play first. We as Yankee fans hold our prospects as too high and untouchable. Dont forget we won championships by trading youngins for vets.
    Ledee for Justice. How did that turn out? How about the cant miss prospect Ruben Rivera? Give me the stud mlb players over prospects anyday.

  81. DaSaint007 November 25th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Beckett is an Ace, when healthy. He’s a Free Agent after 2010.
    Lester can be dominant. He’s young and affordable.
    Dice-K is inconsistent and now injury prone.
    Wakefield is ole reliable. Reliably old.

    Halladay is insurance against Beckett leaving. You can’t just look at 2010. You’ve got to look at the following years. While what Doreen says is true in 2010, without Beckett it’s not an automatic in succeeding years.

    CC and AJ are locked up for the next several years. Hughes and Joba could become the Lester’s of the Yankees – good, affordable, cost-controlled pitchers for years.

    boston needs Halladay more than the Yankees do.
    You can counter boston easily and provide additional depth to our rotation by simply signing Lackey to a near-AJ contract. It only costs dollars – and no talent lost.

    In my mind, Lackey will never get AJ money. Different year, different economy. Just look at the signings thus far. Major league players being singed for pennies on the dollar. It’s going to make last year look like the Lottery.

  82. Jerkface November 25th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I literally cannot believe that GB7 said that Huff is Matsui’s equal, when he posted this line last season: .241 .310 .384 .694

    Additionally he will be 33 years old. PASS

  83. StinksnifferPTRS November 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I agree with Doreen many of us are being way too cavalier “Ho Hum”ing the potential of a Redsox rotation headed by Halladay/Beckett/Lester…

    Winning a World Series tends make you feel pretty confident I suppose but I for one am not taking it lightly if and when they do get Doc Halladay.

    I’d certainly hope that Cashman would counter with Lackey in fact I think he should get Lackey regardless of whatever the Sox do.

  84. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 25th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    DaSaint
    Beckett is an ace when healthy? Not what Peter Gammons, or as he is better known, PGammo, said. He is already trying to make the case that Beckett has been average in his time with the Red Sox, except for in the 2007 postseason. He is trying to diminish Beckett’s value so the Red Sox can pay him less to stay.

    Once again, stinksniffing the Red Sox organization any way he can.

    P.S. You stole my name StinksnifferPRTS! Damn you! ;)

  85. steve November 25th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Always liked Shelley – not an act if it’s genuine. Met him twice in Tampa and Scranton, and could not have possibly gone out of his way more to make my 10 year old son feel special. Flipped him a couple balls and signed what is now his Jerry Hairston jersey :) Very cool guy, and hope he does well.

  86. StinksnifferPTRS November 25th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Sorry CR9 it’s too good I couldn’t resist ;-)

  87. Pat M. November 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Doreen…While I have the chance…Happy Thanksgiving to You & Your family

  88. PittsburghYankeeFan November 25th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Sox do not have the chips, as much as their media shills would have you believe otherwise.

    Casey Kelly? A ball player who can’t decide what he wants to be? Please. Hmmm–I guess he’s as good as Jesus Montero to some. Lars Anderson? Can he hit in AAA?

    Their FA cupboard is bare. Ouch.

  89. Erin November 25th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Doreen
    November 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    Taking a break from Thanksgiving cooking and catching up here.

    ******************
    Oooh…Doreen, I bet you’re making lots of good stuff!! :)

  90. Drive 4-5 November 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Here’s a problem with the Red Sox pursuit of Halladay that I’m surprised hasn’t been mentioned more often. If Boston gives Halladay an extension of say 5 years at $90mil, they have to at least match that with Beckett next year. Plus, Papelbon is approaching fre agency as well.

    The Red Sox are about to face the same dilemma the Yankees have had. If they want to both pursue top end talent and keep their nucleus, it’s going to cost them big money. We’ll see if the Red Sox put up, but we do know for sure their fans won’t ever shut up.

  91. Drive 4-5 November 25th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan,

    Peter Gammons just rescinded his Thanksgiving invite to you. You obviously don’t understand the wonderment that is the Red Sox minor league system that has awarded a total of 7 World Championship rings to home grown players in the last 91 years.

    For all the gasbag talk about the Red Sox minor league system, Pedroia, Youkalis,Papelbon, Delcarmen, Ellsbury,Lester and Trot Nixon have ever won a ring as a Red Sox. Youkalis is the sole one to ever receive 2 rings and only because he appeared in 1 game of the ’04 ALDS. That’s spanning the last 91 years! The 2004 World Series roster had exactly 1 home grown player on it, Trot Nixon.In comparison, the 2009 Yankee postseason rosters were comprised of 12 home grown players, including 2 first ballot Hall of Famers.

  92. DaSaint007 November 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Drive,

    I’ve raised the issue of their impending Free Agency issues before. boston isn’t an old team, but it has older players at key positions, and major impending Free Agency issues.
    Not saying that Halladay is old, as certainly he’s in his prime, but lots of older players will or should be leaving next season, and there’s not much left in the system in terms of replacement.

    boston will need a catcher – V-Mart will be permanently at 1B should they not be able to lure Mauer, if that’s even possible.

    Youk will have to move to 3B.
    Ortiz is a declining DH
    Vtek is a shell of himself and needs to retire gracefully, if that’s still possible.

    In fact, now that I think of it, if boston were to go all out in 2010, and get Halladay and Bay, it may give them the cover to move on from their aging stars:

    1B/DH Ortiz – 35
    3B/DH Lowell – 36
    C/DH Vtek – 38
    SP Wakefield – 44

    (Ages listed are their ages after next season)
    Now they may not win it all if our Yankees have anything to say about it, but if it’s respectable, their fans will embrace a further youth movement.

  93. Neil November 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    I think Cashman should pass on Damon, put Jackson in CF leave him there to develop ala how they did with Bernie. Split LF between Gardy & Melky. Bring back Matusi as DH, PH (1yr). Resign Pettitte or spend money on #3. Also give that Cuba 1B guy a shot

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