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A very pinstriped Thanksgiving (Part II)

Sam Borden
November
26

Since Chad gave you a few things for the Yankees to be thankful about this morning, I thought I’d weigh in – as I prepare to enjoy some “Turkey for the Table” – with just a few more people/places/things that deserve Yankee gratitude. As they sit down, the Yankees should be giving thanks for …

Mark Philippon: The Yankees very own Dr. Strange-glove operated on Alex Rodriguez’s hip back in spring training and, amazingly, also cured his October-phobia in the process. Well worth the co-pay, I’d say.

Hal Steinbrenner: For his money, for his (relatively) rational approach to winning and losing and for his trust in Brian Cashman. But mostly for not being Hank Steinbrenner.

Tax-exempt bonds: I mean, come on – without them, those fantastic “Legends Seats” would never exist!

Jay-Z (feat. Alicia Keys): For – obviously – making the Yankee cap more famous than a Yankee can.

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106 Responses to “A very pinstriped Thanksgiving (Part II)”

  1. Phil

    I echo Rich’s thanks that Lohud got it more than right the second time around.

  2. Jacob Ruppert

    I am thankful that David Ortiz didn’t get rewarded for his arrogance in lying about his steroid usage.

  3. iYankees

    I’m thankful that the Daily News report claiming that the Red Sox were attempting to acquire Roy Halladay prior to the Winter Meetings was inaccurate and nonsensical.

    http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=11733

  4. Rich in NJ

    Hal has been great, and in addition to Phillipon, I would add the surgeons that operated on Posada and Matsui, Drs. Andrews and Rodeo.

  5. sevrox

    Thankful for the LoHud Yank Blog and the supporting cast of posters – without whom I’d have to spend untold hours searching the ‘net for all things Yankee.

    Keep up the good work!

    Sevrox in SE PA (and due to location, happier than most that the Yanks whupped up on the Phils)

  6. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    I am thankful for the post by IYankees.

    I am also thankful for the great job Sam, Chad, and Josh have done on this blog without being condescending and insulting of Yankees fans like our previous blog man, the Clogfather.

    Sam

    If you would oblige, why the insults of the Yanks in this post, namely the Tax exempt bonds?

    I would be thankful if P Gammo could stop stinksniffing the Red Sox , if only for Thanksgiving day, but unfortunately, he is not capable of even that. He thinks 3 prospects is too much for Halladay. How greedy can P Gammo get? He is not happy that the entire Red Sox farm system is praised everywhere and that when one prospect fails or is traded, that prospect regenerates as another 10 non prospects turned prospects.

  7. Erin

    Erica – always OPPC
    November 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Erin
    November 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    Erica-did you see Kermit’s duet with what’s her name during the parade?

    **************

    Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    I lost interest after the Sesame Street float. Was it awesome?

    *************************
    Sorry for the long delay Erica.

    It was very nice-they sang “I Believe in Santa Claus”. Kermit looked so cute with his red and white striped scarf! :)

    I loved the Sesame Street float-I love whenever they have the muppets dressed up in their winter gear!

  8. Anthony Murillo

    I really wonder what direction the Yankees will go into the 2010 season. I wonder if the Yankees will explore the idea of re-signing both Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon and signing someone like Mike Cameron to play CF. If they do, their line up would look something like:

    Derek Jeter SS
    Johnny Damon LF
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Hideki Matsui DH
    Jorge Posada C
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Mike Cameron CF
    Nick Swisher RF

    That’s a really deep, albeit older line up. Then again, the Yankees could just re-sign Johnny Damon to DH and find themselves a left fielder. Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, or even someone like Chone Figgins could fit that bill. Let’s say they go after Holliday and still sign Cameron to play CF and Damon to DH. Their line up would look like:

    Derek Jeter SS
    Johnny Damon DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Matt Holliday LF
    Jorge Posada C
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Mike Cameron CF
    Nick Swisher RF

    The only problem is that I’m not sure Holliday can cut it in the American League. If he can, however, he’s a good hitter to have behind A-Rod.

    In terms of starting pitcher, I really hope the Yankees trade for Roy Halladay. If they can get him for EITHER Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes and other prospects not named Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero AND you sign Halladay to a contract extension, you have to make the move. A rotation of:

    Roy Halladay
    C.C. Sabathia
    AJ Burnett
    Andy Pettitte (assuming he re-signs)
    Phil Hughes

    Is one of the best, if not THE best, rotation in baseball.

  9. Jeff in Canada

    “Jay-Z (feat. Alicia Keys): For – obviously – making the Yankee cap more famous than a Yankee can.”

    Of course he did.

    Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle…Shawn Carter

  10. Anthony Murillo

    Jay-Z did make the Yankee hat more famous than it already was. He started wearing it and BAM all these rap artists are wearing them in their music videos.

    But we all know guys like the Babe, The Mick, Joltin’ Joe, Jeter, and A-Rod really made them famous.

  11. vinny

    Anthony, Jay did not make the yankee hat a hip hop trend. NY rappers were rocking yankee hats long before Jay

  12. Anthony Murillo

    Look how the trend is now, though. It’s pretty nuts.

    Now they sell Yankee hat (and other team hats as well) in different colors, different styles, with different logos. It’s nuts.

  13. RANSOM SUCKSS

    I am happy Pete Abe is GONE! HAHAHAHA

  14. REA in MI

    Is “Anthony Murillo” serious? Or was he trying to create a composite caricature of nutty, pie-in-the-sky Yankee fan? I hope the latter. It’s not much removed from the ol’ “Let’s send Brian Bruney and Shelley Duncan to St. Louis for Pujols…” suggestions.

  15. Rich in NJ

    The Yankees are going to add Holliday, Halladay, Cameron and keep Damon? nfw

  16. gfd

    The article on Aroidis Chapman on Mlbtraderumors is insightful.It would appear he switched agents because he was not being marketed right.He was being handled like he was a veteran instead of a (raw product)pospect,with a huge asking price.His agent sending him on the around the league tours didn’t seem to set well with the normalyy reserved pitcher.

    Chapman,who has been clocked at 102mph,should be money wise, in the ball park of Strasburg of the Nationals.He just wants to pitch in the majors.

    -I hope to see him in pinstripes!!

  17. Anthony Murillo

    Had I said to you guys a few seasons ago the Yankees would add C.C. Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Mark Texieira from free agency AND acquired Nick Swisher via a trade, you all thought I would have been nuts.

    Signing a combination of Damon/Cameron/Holliday isn’t crazy at all. Now adding Roy Halladay to that list is crazy and I’m not suggesting the Yankees should do. If the Yankees get Halladay, then they should attempt to re-sign Damon and/or Mike Cameron

  18. Rich in NJ

    No, it wasn’t crazy to think they would add CC, AJ, and Teix because they had much more more coming off the payroll, and as Cash has said, they used some of this year’s money to sign Teix, having convinced Hal that they should have made a similar move to sign Beltran while Bernie was under contract for one more year.

  19. Rich in NJ

    Edit: more money

  20. Anthony Murillo

    I still don’t think it’s out of the question. We shall see.

  21. YANKEEFAN

    BOB SHEPPERD OFFICIALLY RETIRED! (1010 WINS).

  22. JoshWhite

    I really wished that he could have came back for just one more game.

  23. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes

    Alex’s “October phonbia” was “cured” by good pitching.

    Better pitching = more chances for hitters to succeed.

  24. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes

    gfd
    November 26th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    The article on Aroidis Chapman on Mlbtraderumors is insightful.It would appear he switched agents because he was not being marketed right.He was being handled like he was a veteran instead of a (raw product)pospect,with a huge asking price.His agent sending him on the around the league tours didn’t seem to set well with the normalyy reserved pitcher.
    Chapman,who has been clocked at 102mph,should be money wise, in the ball park of Strasburg of the Nationals.He just wants to pitch in the majors.
    -I hope to see him in pinstripes!!
    ======

    This provides a scouting report on Chapman, w/some video:

    http://www.baseball-intellect......d-to-know/

  25. mick

    Anthony Murillo November 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Look how the trend is now, though. It’s pretty nuts.

    Now they sell Yankee hat (and other team hats as well) in different colors, different styles, with different logos. It’s nuts.
    ———————————————————
    Who cares? What does it make them, a bunch of followers?

  26. Phil

    I wonder what Bob Sheppard’s won/lost record was in games he announced for the Yanks. It’s gotta be pretty awesome.

  27. Betsy - high on pie

    I notice Buster didn’t bother to say what the Jays would ask for from the Yankees – probably Joba/Hughes, Jackson and Montero.

    I just got back from my sister’s house, where we had a yummy and wonderful Thanksgiving; hope everyone had the same.

    LOL I forgot Dr. Philippon, but yes – I’m thankful for him too. It’s hard to believe the kind of beginning Alex had to his year……..

    My WS DVD is coming tomorrow – I’m thankful for that, too!

  28. Betsy - high on pie

    iYankees, the Sox clearly want to do a deal, more than the Yankees I think do, so I suspect they will get Doc…..

  29. Betsy - high on pie

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1620564

    I spent some time with Johnny Damon today, and he spoke forcefully about his free agency and his future. I asked him specifically about Scott Boras’ comments from a couple of weeks ago, and Damon backed his agent 100 percent.

    Damon’s history shows that he’s not going to bend in his free agency. It’s how he became a Yankee in the first place. It’s why I think he’ll be elsewhere, come next season.

    ***Bye, Johnny! See you at Old Timer’s day 2020

  30. Betsy - high on pie

    I love Johnny, but his desires simply do not match the Yankees needs.

  31. Rich in NJ

    I don’t think Halladay will be traded to the RS.

  32. Rich in NJ

    As for Damon, he’s agented up. He probably really wants two years at his present AAV, my guess is that the Yankees are offering one year with a team option at $9 mil per, maybe with incentives.

  33. Betsy - high on pie

    Regarding the Halladay piece from the prior thread:

    It’s fine if the Jays just let Doc walk; there’s a good chance he’d sign with the Yankees. However, if he gets dealt – the Yankees do not have any SS prospects to offer the Jays.

  34. Betsy - high on pie

    Maybe not Rich……..I still think it’s silly of the Jays to hold onto him, but hey – if they value picks, then so be it. I’m fine with Doc staying put, though I’d feel badly for him.

  35. joeman

    am I wrong but wasn’t Arod’s hip operation suppose to be a quick fix

  36. blake

    Yea it was supposed to be a surgery to get him through this season and them a second surgery for this offseason was originally planned but phillipon said he has done so well in recovery that the second surgery probably won’t be needed

  37. joeman

    blake November 26th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Yea it was supposed to be a surgery to get him through this season and them a second surgery for this offseason was originally planned but phillipon said he has done so well in recovery that the second surgery probably won’t be needed
    ————————————————

    well not being in the loop…not much said about it…thanks

  38. pat

    Most of the Thanksgiving guests have left, the Giant game is annoying me so I check in here and find out Bob Shepard retired :sad: and Toronto got themselves a SS.

    Damon is talking a good game but until he/Boras actually speaks with Cashman, I didn’t expect him to say all he needs is a 1 year deal with a pay cut.

  39. GreenBeret7

    Betsy – high on pie
    November 26th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    Regarding the Halladay piece from the prior thread:

    It’s fine if the Jays just let Doc walk; there’s a good chance he’d sign with the Yankees. However, if he gets dealt – the Yankees do not have any SS prospects to offer the Jays.

    ————————————————————

    Actually, NYY do have shortstop prospects…(as of 2010)Ramiro Pena (25 man roster), Eduardo Nunez (Scranton), Luis Nunez (Trenton), Addison Muruzsak and Jose Pirela (Tampa). The best immediate future would be Eduardo Nunez. Pena is ready for full time MLB in 2010.

  40. GreenBeret7

    ***Addison Maruszak***

  41. Squidward

    “Pena is ready for full time MLB in 2010″

    Not much to suggest he’ll be anymore than a below average MLB bat.

  42. jennifer

    Did anyone catch why there was a story on Bob Shepard on the news today.

  43. jennifer

    oh never mind If I would have read through this page I would have seen why.

  44. Squidward

    “Did anyone catch why there was a story on Bob Shepard on the news today.”

    I believe he formally retired.

  45. jennifer

    Squidward

    Thanks. I walked into the room and saw the last bit of it. I thought something happened to him. Him retiring is not much of a surprise. I’m just a little surprised he did it now, as opposed to maybe being honored at a game. Unless he is just too old and frail to do that.

  46. Charlie

    Time to reflect. Is there a single reader of this blog who wishes we were still getting our information from that snide, egotistical, whiny, obnoxious Red Sox fan? ‘Tis the season to be grateful.

  47. Squidward

    “Damon’s history shows that he’s not going to bend in his free agency. It’s how he became a Yankee in the first place.”

    In fairness, Damon became a Yankee because he had two offers and the one from the Bronx was 30% better than the one from Boston.

    No reason for him (and the Yankees for that matter) to see what the market bears. In the end, the likelihood that 3 years deals are out there waiting for him are pretty low.

  48. GreenBeret7

    Squidward
    November 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
    “Pena is ready for full time MLB in 2010?

    Not much to suggest he’ll be anymore than a below average MLB bat.

    ————————————————————

    With full time play, he has every chance to be what Marco Scutaro has been, offensively and defensively.

  49. Squidward

    To continue on last post, I see Abreu’s 2 year/$19M deal as a pretty fair barometer for where Damon should end up. I hope it’s with the Yankees. Man is a warrior. Plays hurt and generally plays well.

  50. Squidward

    “With full time play, he has every chance to be what Marco Scutaro has been, offensively and defensively”

    Not for nothing, but Scutaro, barring a career year in ‘09 has been a below average MLB bat. I like him as a utility guy who can be effective at both MI positions and 3rd, not unlike Scutaro for the vast majority of his MLB career, but I wouldn’t want him as an everyday player.

  51. GreenBeret7

    “Not for nothing”, but, with few exceptions, there aren’t many better all around shortstops in baseball right now than Scyaro. His defense and a tough .265 average is good enough to get him a 3 year 6 mil a year contract this year. He’s above average. He’s in the top third of the MLB shortstops.

  52. Rich in NJ

    “To continue on last post, I see Abreu’s 2 year/$19M deal as a pretty fair barometer for where Damon should end up. I hope it’s with the Yankees. Man is a warrior. Plays hurt and generally plays well.”

    Pass. The Yankees already have too many contractual commitments in 2011 to give Damon two years.

  53. Squidward

    “The Yankees already have too many contractual commitments in 2011 to give Damon two years”

    Wouldn’t a replacement LF involve a contractual commitment beyond 2011?

  54. Rich in NJ

    “Wouldn’t a replacement LF involve a contractual commitment beyond 2011?”

    It depends, there could be non-tender option, but unlike Damon that player could probably be counted on to actually play LF effectively in 2011.

  55. Squidward

    “He’s above average. He’s in the top third of the MLB shortstops.”

    He was in 2009. Never been anywhere near there before then. He’s been a slightly above average SS defensively, who until this season never had an OPS+ better than 96 and most of his career he was below 90.

  56. Roger Ebert

    I am thankful Kate Hudson didn’t release ANOTHER horrible movie.

  57. GreenBeret7

    Because of injuries to other players, he’s never had his own position until this year. same with consistant playing time and decent hitters around him. He’s had that the last two years. Whatever. To you, he’s only a decent utility player. To 20 other MLB teams, he’s the starting shortstop.

  58. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    Squidward, I agree. I hope the Red Sox do sign Scutaro. He had a career year and hopefully, he cashes in big time with the Sox and reverts back to the norm.

    I have a question re: Hank Steinbrenner. Why do people hate him? Was he not the one behind getting ARod back in 2007 when Brian Cashman put his foot down about not wanting ARod back? IIRC

  59. Betsy - high on pie

    GB, Ramiro Pena is nothing but a utility player in waiting- there’s no way the Jays would accept him for a Halladay. I’ve heard decent things on here about Eduardo Nunez, but I don’t know anything about the others. I imagine the Jays are looking for very good SS prospects……

  60. Betsy - high on pie

    CR, were you around in 2007? If so, you know why people hate Hank. Cashman didn’t not want Alex, he didn’t want him if Alex opted out. In any case, Hank is a fool, a blowhard and knows next to nothing about baseball. He embarrassed this franchise to no end and I’m just glad he’s gone into hiding.

  61. squidward

    “Because of injuries to other players, he’s never had his own position until this year”

    Kind of like a utility player. I agree it’s difficult to say he’s not a starting SS off the year he had in 2009, but that was the exception rather than rule. He had 400 or more PA’s a season from ‘04 thru ‘08 and posted OPS+ of 79,85, 96, 88 and 88. Not sure I’d want to be the team you speak of giving a 34 year old one hit wonder a 3 year deal. But you’re probably right about it happening

  62. Rich in NJ

    I don’t think we can say with certainty what Pena is. He put up decent stats last season with NY:

    .287 .317 .383 700 (115 AB)

    He has plus range and a strong arm.

  63. Ca$hman

    I’m thankful Boy Genius Theo signed Smoltz, Penny, Dice, Varitek, Drew, Lugo, and Wagner.

    I’m thankful Red Sox Nation is stupid enough to believe everything Gammons says and not hold Theo accountable.

  64. Carl

    # Betsy – high on pie November 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    CR, were you around in 2007? If so, you know why people hate Hank. Cashman didn’t not want Alex, he didn’t want him if Alex opted out. In any case, Hank is a fool, a blowhard and knows next to nothing about baseball. He embarrassed this franchise to no end and I’m just glad he’s gone into hiding.

    Ummm what

  65. Rich in NJ

    ” Cashman didn’t not want Alex, he didn’t want him if Alex opted out.”

    He didn’t want Po at four years either.

  66. Erin

    Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I ate way too much, as usual. The pumpkin cream cheese pie really did me in. :)

    Just saw that Bob Shepard is officially retiring. He’s a class act-I wish him well.

  67. Baghdad Pete

    The Yankees would have been a better team without ARod.

  68. Rich in NJ

    “The Yankees would have been a better team without ARod.”

    Particularly during this year’s playoffs.

  69. Betsy - high on pie

    Ummm, what what, Carl?

  70. Patrick

    Rich those stats aren’t decent, they are pretty poor.

    There really is no evidence showing that Pena will be anything more than a replacement level hitter. I hope he proves me wrong.

    Also, those going crazy about Damon, relax. If you remember, his agent was demanding a 7 year deal after he left the Sox and he ended up with a 4 year deal.

    I will be SHOCKED if he gets any more than 2 years and that’s definitely something the Yanks will be interested in.

  71. squidward

    “He didn’t want Po at four years either.”

    He didn’t. Not much choice though. Posada played them a little bit and the organization seemed convinced the Mets would go 5 years. I think Cash ideally would have gone 3, but had to go 4.

    Way I remember the Arod thing is that the Yankees were prepared to do, or at least talk about, an extension of his Texas contract. They didn’t want him opting out because they’d lose the Rangers contribution to his salary. Hank punished him by giving him a raise and 7 additional years.

  72. squidward

    Hmmm. Forgot the Giants were playing tonite. Apparently, they did too.

  73. Rich in NJ

    “Rich those stats aren’t decent, they are pretty poor.”

    For a guy who is playing part-time and making the adjustment to ML pitching, whose offense, by the Yankees’ own admission, is a work in progress? I think he did surprising well.

    He’s never going to be a great offensive SS, but if the average SS puts up these stats:

    .280 .336 .422 .758

    Pena has a chance at that if he continues to develop. He may not, but he could.

    I would not give Damon two years.

  74. Rich in NJ

    “He didn’t. Not much choice though. Posada played them a little bit and the organization seemed convinced the Mets would go 5 years. I think Cash ideally would have gone 3, but had to go 4.”

    The Steinbrenners overruled him.

  75. Betsy - high on pie

    Patrick, I really don’t want Damon at 2 years. The more I think about it, I’m not sure I want him back. He was mediocre for most of the last month or so of the season and I just think of all of the older guys, he’s the closest to just falling off……..I would take him back at 1 year and a club option for another, but he’ll never agree to that.

  76. Betsy - high on pie

    The point is, there is no way the Jays would accept Pena as part of a package for Doc……….

  77. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    Betsy

    I do not care what any Yankee does. Hank ran his mouth. What’s wrong with that?

    No matter what anybody in our franchise does or says, we always are made to look like fools.

    We have the steroid user that comes out and admits what he did, and he gets questioned and called a liar.

    The Red Sox have the steroid user that denies everything, and poorly at that, also using the most unprofessional guy in his defense, Michael Weiner. The media, ESPN namely, praised him for his honesty and ESPN goes right to a replay of the Home Run Derby like the Simpsons episode about Mark McGwire. Do we care if he used steroids or do we just want to watch some dingers. Dingers! Dingers! Dingers!

  78. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    And Hank is the one that for the good of the team, undermined Cashman and signed ARod.

    Now, I know it seems like it from the previous statement, but I like Cashman for the most part.

    He has an excellent philosophy of youth, free agency, and so on.

    But his decision to not sign ARod could have proven costly. Wilson Betemit? Cody Handsome?

  79. Anthony Murillo

    Some of you people still want A-Rod off the team in favor of Betemit and his “power” or for Ransom and his gritty, gutty attitude?

    Yikes.

  80. 7789

    I am grateful that Hank Steinbrenner resigned the best player in baseball to a 10 year deal going against Cashman’s opinion. Without A-Rod no way the yanks would of won number 27 and Cashman would still be searching for a third basemen.

  81. Rich in NJ

    “I am grateful that Hank Steinbrenner resigned the best player in baseball to a 10 year deal going against Cashman’s opinion. Without A-Rod no way the yanks would of won number 27 and Cashman would still be searching for a third basemen.”

    You’re assuming that A-Rod had comparable deals on the table from other teams. Virtually every media report refutes that assumption.

  82. NYYanksFan

    If Cashman didn’t want A-Rod on the team, he wouldn’t have wanted to negotiate with him before the opt out.

    The Yankees had A-Rod for 4 years at $15 million dollars per year from 2004-2007 because of the Rangers subsidy. Cashman wanted the “bargain” to continue and didn’t like Boras and A-Rod challenging him.

  83. Rich in NJ

    Right. It was merely about the terms of Alex’s contract. Cash wanted to carry that bargain forward, and probably could have if he had been empowered to conduct the negotiations.

  84. Abdababdaserser

    Virtually every media report refutes that assumption.

    ______________________

    Virtually every media report last season said that the Red Sox were getting Teixeira. They also said the Yankees weren’t in on the bidding for the firstbaseman. They said that there was no way the Yankees were going to add his contract because of having signed CC and AJ.

    The point being there is no knowing for certain what was really out there for him. Meanwhile, models used to see the value of the player compared to their production. Alex seems to be meeting that value.

    Then there is all the other options that were out there to replace him at third. None of those options have come even close. Many couldn’t even play the full year.

    Like it or not, which apparently you don’t, he is the best option for the Yankees at third.

  85. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    Anthony Murillo, please try actually reading my post.

    I hope I was not misunderstood.

    I said while I like Cashman and his philosophy, he is perhaps the biggest moron on the face of the planet for not wanting ARod back, thinking Betemit was a viable replacement. Betemit is/was a viable replacement for a floater in a toilet (Cody Ransom).

    IIRC, the reason ARod opted out was because Cashman did not want to discuss an extension in the first place.

    ______

    Also, help me understand this:

    Via MLBTR

    “Texas is still paying Rodriguez under his previous contract, even though the Yankees signed him to a new deal two winters ago”

    How would that work? Once ARod opts out of that contract, that contract ceases to exist. How would Texas still be paying under a new contract, one formed by the parties of Alex and the Yankees?

  86. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    My entire post was in defense of Hank. I do not care one bit about what Hank has said. The media will always try to make the Yankees and their fans look like fools.

    Hank resigned one of the greatest players in baseball history.

    Had he gone with Cashman’s advice on that, who knows where we would be.

  87. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)

    I think I’ve given both Wilson Betemit and Cody Ransom too much credit by associating them with a floater in the toilet.

    Shame on me.

  88. NYYanksFan

    How would that work?

    Salary A-Rod agreed to defer prior to opting out of the 2001 contract.

  89. Father Time

    ARod’s contract is a little too long. He’s signed thru his 42nd birthday. The last two years are very risky.

    But his production is incredible. He has 583 homers at only age 33. If he stays healthy, he can average btw 30 to 40 hrs over the next 6 years. That would leave near 800 hrs by age 40.

  90. Rich in NJ

    Abdababdaserser

    Right, teams were lining up to pay A-Rod $30 million a year for ten years. That’s why he had to devise a scheme with Boras to reopen talks with the Yankees.

  91. Rich in NJ

    One more thing. Just because I think the Yankees vastly overpaid A-Rod by bidding against themselves. it hardly means that I don’t want him on the team. To the contrary, I am glad he is. I just think the contract will hamstring them over time, and apparently, so does Cashman.

  92. Father Time

    Rich in NJ-

    I don’t think Al is “vastly” overpaid.

    # Alex Rodriguez, $27,500,000 (2008-17)
    # CC Sabathia,… $23,000,000 (2009-15)
    # Johan Santana,. $22,916,667 (2008-13)
    # Mark Teixeira,. $22,500,000 (2009-16)
    # Manny Ramirez,. $22,500,000 (2009-10)

    You can make a case that Al is overpaid. That his salary should be closer to Tex. When you factor in AB lost to the injury, Al and Tex have the same production.

    The issue is the length of the contract. The risk of low production at age 40 is a lot, lot higher than age 33. Those final three years could be stinkers. But as of now, he’s still one of the top five position players in baseball.

  93. gianthinker

    Sign John Lackey to a 4 or 5 year deal. Sign Mike Cameron to a 3 or 4 year deal. Re-sign Pettitte to a 1 year deal. Re-sign Matsui to a 1 year deal. Sign Rafael Soriano to a 3 or 4 year deal. Re-sign Jerry Hairston Jr. to a 1 or 2 year deal. Re-sign Jose Molina to a 1 or 2 year deal.

  94. Rich in NJ

    Father Time???

    CC and Teix signed 8 year contracts at 29. A-Rod signed a 10 year contract at 32. That’s why I think that he is vastly overpaid.

    Plus, as has been alluded to, Cash wanted to preserve Texas’ subsidy. By opting out, Alex precluded that possibility. He was then one who re-initiated contract negotiations. As a result, the contract price should have had an offset to compensate the Yankees for the lost subsidy.

  95. Rich in NJ

    You want to sign a 37 year old Cameron to a 3 or 4 year deal? In all likelihood, he would accept a one year contract.

    I don’t want Molina back for free. I really don’t want Hairston either. He had a great August, but slipped after that, and his defense is not very good in the INF or the OF. Actually, he should never play the OF. He makes Damon look like Carl Crawford.

    The Yankees have plenty of in house bullpen options.

    I’m fine with Pettitte for one year.

  96. GreenBeret7

    The Angels finally got rid of two of the most annoying, obnoxious broadcasters in baseball, Steve Physioc and Rex Hudler. The absolutely made me grind my teeth down to the nubs.

  97. Carl

    Put Rex Hudler in the booth with John Sterling

  98. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait)

    The Angels finally got rid of two of the most annoying, obnoxious broadcasters in baseball, Steve Physioc and Rex Hudler
    ————————————–

    now if only MLB the videogame, would do the same (dump Rex Hudler)

  99. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait)

    no Kevin Towers talk yet?

    it looks like he is headed to the Yankees.

  100. Fran (the original) and OPPC member

    no Kevin Towers talk yet?

    it looks like he is headed to the Yankees.
    ***************************
    Vinny-b,

    In what capacity?

  101. Carl

    Special Adviser

  102. Fran (the original) and OPPC member

    Carl,
    Thanks

  103. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait)

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1624374

  104. damon enjoy 27...think 28

    Towers + Cashman = The best farm system in the majors!!

    Toweres has a unique eye for talent on the mound.

  105. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!!

    yes, towers is expert at acquiring ex-yankee relievers LOL!

  106. gfd

    Towers has an eye for the mound,as stated above,he’s well respected.He will stay in CAL scouting or two until another GM position opens,like Rangers,Cubs,or Dodgers.

    Why do you think so many teams are interested in him?

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