Looking for the next Jerry Hairston
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As it stands, the Yankees have nine infielders on their roster: Four starters, first baseman Juan Miranda and four young utility infield candidates. Ramiro Pena has played a small major league role in the past, but the newest members of the 40-man – Reegie Corona, Kevin Russo and Eduardo Nunez — have never played above Triple-A. Corona and Nunez have limited experience beyond Double-A.
Given that lack of experience, and despite the wealth of infielders already in the mix, general manager Brian Cashman has said he could still be in the market for a backup infielder. Protecting three infielders from the Rule 5, he said, will have no impact on his decision to go after a utility man.
“This year, the guys that we protected, we felt that we wouldn’t get them back,” Cashman said. “These were guys that would stick, or had a very high probability of sticking. I just didn’t want to risk that. Even though, yeah, there were some extra infielders along the way with Nunez, Corona and Russo, but I wasn’t willing to give someone away for a waiver price.”
Last year the Yankees went into spring training with unproven Cody Ransom as their top utility candidate. Pena was a surprise choice to open the season in the big leagues even with no Triple-A experience. They went through most of the season with a mix of Ransom, Pena and Angel Berroa before finally adding Jerry Hairston Jr. at the trade deadline. The Yankees might not rule out adding a utility man, but a backup infielder wasn’t a priority last year, and there’s little reason for it to be a priority this year.
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Here is some great pictures of the Captain. I didn’t know that Jete was Posada’s best man at his wedding.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm
Hoping to see Miranda, Pena, et al. get a little more experience next year. Cheers, Chad.
why not bring Hairston back?
I agree Eric .. i’d like to see Miranda get some playing time as well
crawdaddy – thanks for the link – great shots of Jeter. Liked the one with Damon pre-’05 season.
Why not bring Hairston back? A million saved is a million earned…
Because Harriston will cost more than the kids who can do much of the same.
RE: Blue Jays wanting a young bat.
I know the Jays do not want Melky, and nobody mentions Melky like he has any potential.
But, Melky has a bit of power, can hit a bit to all fields, with a bit of plate discipline, and he is ONLY 25 years old.
With more plate discipline, he could be a good hitter. 25 years old.
Jacoby Ellsbury has less power, and less discipline, more speed, but is 26 years old.
Why all the praise of Jacoby and his potential but not the Melk Man.
Miranda’s another MLB ready bat. So’s Russo.
Craig Counsell would be a nice addition (great glove). The Yankees have been connected to him this winter.
http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=11002
How’s this for nostalgia. Our lineup opening day, 2009
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Nady RF
Ransom 3B
Gardner CF
Our lineup on the final day of the WS:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1b
A-Rod 3b
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2b
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
What about trading Melky for a RHRP? Maybe to the CWS for Tony Pena? Anyone else have a RHRP suggestion that the yankees can get back?
Also I would like to see Marlon Byrd Signed for a 1 or 2 yr dead to split time in CF with Gardner and LF with the new yankee LF. This way the new LF(maybe Damon idk) can also DH some games.
Potential Lineup:
SS/DH Jeter
2B Cano
1B Tex
3B/DH A-Rod
-C/DH Posada
DH/LF (NEW LF)
LF/CF Byrd
RF Swisher
CF Gardner/-C Cervelli/DH Miranda/SS/3B Pena
Neil
The way I see it is Melky should not be traded for a RP because Jacoby Ellsbury would get a lot more than a RP. Ellsbury is not that much better than Melky, aside from his speed and SB, so why should we get rid of a serviceable hitter/CF that is younger than Ellsbury for a relief pitcher.
Especially when relief pitchers are fickled. Good one year and bad the next year.
It’s definitely time to move on from Hairston.
Why would the Yankees trade their starting CF for a relief pitcher?
Melky gets no love because many people feel “he is what he is” and will never get better regardless of the fact that he just turned 25.
RayMagnetic
I’m with you on Melk.
Hey, I wonder how that steal of home plate by Mr. Jack Obi Ellsbury felt to him on the night of Nov. 4?
Melky is about to get a little more expensive. If you think that his ceiling is as a league average or a little below league average CF, now may be the time to move him if the right deal presents itself.
I wouldn’t trade Melky for a reliever.
Why would you want gardner in CF?please tell why everyone is so into Gardner.I know Pete has something to do with this but what had Gardner done to deserve this?
He looks lost at the plate and he has speed but isn’t a good baserunner at all
Gardner is a top tier defensive OF.
At the AS break (before he got hurt), Gardners splits were:
.282 .352 .404 .756
An American League average CF hit in 2009:
.265 .329 .403 .732
So it’s not unreasonable to think that Gardner can be an above league average offensive CF with great defense, especially if he can stop upper cutting so much.
At worst, he’s a placeholder until A-Jack is ready or they trade for a CF.
Hairston (not Harriston) has proven that he can play 3B, SS, 2B, and all outfiled spots, has a pretty decent bat, and has some speed. He’s a MLB veteran.
Which of our prospective kids, as much as I love them, have proven that they can do that, including the hitting? Sure, Hairston will cost more than a rookie, that’s a pretty well understood reality for anyone who regularly posts here, but I think it’s generally accepted to have an experienced utility guy on the roster.
I wouldn’t mind having him back, along with Pena. Both have proven useful, and Pena is excellent defensively and may have a significant upside. And giving Miranda a shot is a good idea. If you’re going to develop them, then you may as well give them the opportunity in ST.
Hairston has proven that he can not play 3B, SS, 2B and all outfield spots very well.
Rich, he did ok in the games I saw. He’s no all-star in all those positions, but he offered above-average defensive flexibility. Not many players can handle all outfield positions and the infield positions. Allows you to address other areas of the roster.
Rick
He strikes out a lot,had NO power,is a bad baserunner and Damon probably has a better arm then he does.Gardner has speed but that’s about it
Melky is younger,has more power,a better arm and had been very clutch this year.There’s absolutely no reason to think Gardner should play CF next season with Melky on this team
Phil
I agree that the Yanks will and should give guys like Miranda,Pena,Cervelli and maybe Russo a shot at the bench/backup spots on the team.
the Yanks can save a substantial amount of $ by using the in house options,particularly w/Miranda earning the primary DH abs for 535k, and every dollar saved is going to be key to Cash as he attempts to work with a slightly lower payroll.
I also think that in each case guys have either proven enough with the oppurtunity given so far-i.e. Pena and Cervelli-or proven enough at the minor league level-Miranda and Russo- to warrant a real look at the major league level.
The $s’ saved on guys that will have a limited albeit important role (Hairston,Molina,Hinske) will amount to about $6mil from last year’s payroll will at least offset the raises guys like Cano,Jeter,Hughes,Joba and Melky receive this year.
as far as trading for a relief pitcher that is I’m sure not even on Cash’s radar. We are in great shape as far as the bullpen is concerned with the in house options that we have both on the ML level and down in SWB. Keep in mind that the market will be flooded with FA relief arms in the next couple of weeks if we determined that we had to go outside the organization for an arm without having to trade any useful players-i.e. Melky- to acqire that arm.
I am of the mind that Rafael Soriano for 2yrs/10mm or less is a very good signing as a replacement for Hughes’ 8th inning role and as a replacement closer iwth experience who is dominant should we lose Mo to injury one of these days,he is 41yrs old coming off of shoulder surgery. a triumvirate of Sori/DRob/Marte as the 7th/8th inning “bridge” to Mo would be lock down with Melancon,Bruney,Cokie and Ace in some sort of mix ahead of them.
Jon Heymam tweets Toronto wants Hughes/Joba plus Montero,or Casey Kelly and Clay from sawx. Cashman isn’t stupid.
….and those of you who are so into Marlon Byrd must be under the impression that last season was his “rookie” season and not that he’s 32yrs old been in the league for like 7/8yrs and never hit more than 10hrs in a season until last year his walk year!
Why on earth should we sigh him a rh hitter with very little power to a contract.
We’d be much better off signing some one like Ankiel who’s younger,a better glove and arm,could play CF or RF,and has LEGIT 30hr lefty power and trusting Long to coach him up into a .280 hitter and cut down on the strikes.
Given that lack of experience, and despite the wealth of infielders already in the mix, general manager Brian Cashman has said he could still be in the market for a backup infielder.
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If Cash is going to sign a vetaran anyway, as per Chad’s article, then Hairston, Jr. is better than most available options. DeRosa is going to get a starting job, and Mark Loretta is older and more limited. Regardless, it’s not an area of concern and is usually addressed appropriately over the course of the season, either through trade or call-up.
I’m amazed at the media bias that exists. To actually Casey Kelly’s name in the same sentence as Austin Jackson as if they’re comparable is just bewildering. Jackson has a proven minor league career while Kelly is just starting, yet Clay + Kelly somehow equals Hughes/Joba + Jackson.
pssst….over here!!
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Looking at arm runs in 2009:
Gardner in CF was 3.0.
Melky in CF was -0.9.
Damon in LF was -3.7,
DaSaint007
Evaluating prospects is as much about tools and potential as it is about performance. Besides, Kelly projects as a pitcher. Either way, he projects to be a better ML player than Jackson.
I won’t argue if one says I am biased, but with that being said I do think that Ellsbury is a better player than Melky although if I am the Yankees I still don’t trade Melky for a reliever.
Ellsbury is near the top of the American League in stolen bases, and consistently has a higher batting average than Melky by about 30 points.
Melky hits for more power but not by a signifcant amount. I think in terms of home runs Melky had 13 last year and Ellsbury had 8. Melky had 68 RBI’s and Ellsbury had 60.
Melky has a better arm, but I would take Ellsbury’s speed and stolen bases over Melky’s arm.
Just my opinion.
Ellsbury is a better player than Melky and has much more trade value.
Any objective Yankee fan can see that.
That doesn’t make him the second coming of Rickey Hendersen as someone like Gammons would have you believe, but I would trade both Melky and Gardner for Ellsbury and not think twice.
damon enjoy 27…think 28
November 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Jon Heymam tweets Toronto wants Hughes/Joba plus Montero,or Casey Kelly and Clay from sawx. Cashman isn’t stupid.
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I’m probably alone here, but pass.
Ellsbury plays a lot more than melky, plus he leads off soo he has more oppertunity for hits. Melky has been clutch, dunno if I can say that about ellsbury for red sox.
you’re not alone.
DaSAINT007
I agree 200%. It really is a joke to me that they report it as though that is en equivalent package. In my mind Joba/Bucholtz aren’t even on the same level and i also believe Hughes is an upgrade to Bucholtz and to mention Casey Kelley with Austin Jackson or to even breathe the name Montero after Kelly is just comically insane.
Bucholtz/Kelley to me is like Hughes/DeLaRosa or McCallister/Vizcaino as far as ecquivalent value not Bristol Boys hype
Ellbury did have that steal of home plate off Andy Pettitte. That was clutch. You guys remember that, the one that won them the 2009 World Series, at least how ESPN made it out to be!!!
LOL
“That doesn’t make him the second coming of Rickey Hendersen as someone like Gammons would have you believe”
I actually agree Steve. Even though I am a Sox fan I am sometimes embarassed by Gammons over estimating Sox players.
Of course, Jon Heyman, another Red Sox stinklicker.
That’s why I whipped out the fake Buster Olney twitter last year at the trade deadline with reports of Jays wanting Lester and Buchholz or Joba and Phil.
Just like media members spew the garbage that Kelly and Buchholz are enough to get Halladay, because the more times they say it, the Jays might actually take their advice, I figured I’d throw that impossibility of Lester out there in hopes the Jays might get wind of it and realize handing Halladay over for a nothing like Buchholz would have been a mistake.
Nice article on the next Yankees GM
:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4693344
2009 wOBA
Melky: .331
Ellsbury: .354
Gardner: .337
2009 UZR/150
Melky: 2.3 (in CF)
Ellsbury: -18.3
Gardner: 15.4
2009 WAR
Melky: 1.6
Ellsbury: 1.9
Gardner: 2.1
just to chyme in on the Melky vs Ellsbury debate the speed is the only advantage Ells has over Melky.
Melky’s a better overall defensive player and he hits for more power and would hit for a higher average if he hit in Fenway also as the Green Monster def turns outs in other stadiums into hits and thus an increase in ba.
The thing is the baserunning/basestealing advantage that Ellsbury has is significant enough that I’d begrudgungly have to give Ells a slight nod over Melky today if i were ranking them. But a very slight edge.
I’ve been comparing the two since last year and i too have come to the conclusion that Melky is slightly underrated in my mind as a young of’er in the game right now.
Sounds kind of like Ian Kennedy as a pitcher, and nowhere near ready as a hitter.
http://www.soxprospects.com/pl.....-casey.htm
Yanks won’t trade Montero.
What’s wrong with our Jerry Hairston? I hope he’s brought back……
Pat, I’m sorry I jumped down your throat…..Maybe Doc will only agree to an extenstion if a deal is to a team he really wants to go to (say, the Sox or Yanks – an East Coast, Florida/ST team), but he’ll agree to a deal for 1 year to any contender. It makes sense. He wants out of Toronto, but if he’s going to give up FA and his last big score, it shouldn’t just be for any team. After all, the team he signs his next contract with may very well be his last……If he really prefers the East Coast, he’d have his chance to go to a an EC team in 2011. Of course, if all that is true, it makes it difficult for the Jays to trade him. Why would a CA team give up much for a 1 year rental?
Why would Halladay want to go the RS? If he signs an extension and Beckett doesn’t, that could be a very unpleasant clubhouse.
Boy, talk about being in the wrong place at the right time.
I went out to the bookstore today, then to lunch……then figured I’d go to the bank to deposit my check (which I’ve been holding onto for a week). I was going to go tomorrow, but I didn’t want to hold onto the check any longer……I go to my local Chase branch and I see 3 cop cars there and a yellow tape taped across the entrance to the bank. I asked the police officer on duty what happened – apparently, the bank was robbed a short while before I got there. LOL My first reaction was “wow” – I probably looked like my jaw dropped. I don’t know, for some reason when I think of bank robberies, I think of old time criminals with banadanas over their mouths, holding guns to a teller and giving them a note saying “your $ or your life”. I have no idea what happened here, but fortunately no one was hurt. I could have been there, though……..and for that, I consider myself very lucky.
Whoa, Betsy,
glad everyone is okay.
So, Boston would have to give up the equivalent of Ian Kennedy(Kelly), and Anibal Sanchez(Bucholz), while the Yankees would have to give up a young Clemens(Joba) and Piazza(Montero)?
Yeah, sounds fair.
Betsy,
May I suggest direct deposit?
Betsy
it’s not that there is anything wrong with Jerry Hairston it’s just that economically speaking it makes no sense to bring him back @ 1.5-2mm to sit on the bench and play sparingly when we could guve that job to Pena who will prob do just as well for 400k….
Cash has wanted financial flexibility for awhile now and he finally has some to enjoy. The few million he can save by giving the bench/backup roles to Cervelli/Pena/Russo/Miranda combined with the fact that each guy has performed and earned the promotion makes it the right approach to take going into ST in Feb.
If we’re talking about how prospect ‘project’, then let’s submit Andrew Brackman vs Casey Kelly.
Help me here. How does a low-A pitcher project highter than a AAA Center Fielder, listed as one of the highest rated Yankee prospects?
So Clay + Low-A pitcher, projects higher than Joba/Hughes + AAA CF’er. Must be the new math.
Probably won’t be shocking that I will respectively agree to disagree that Hughes is an upgrade to Bucholtz.
I think Hughes has the potential to be an upgrade to Bucholtz, but in my estimation that potential has not become reality at least yet.
Bucholtz looked pretty decent in the second half of last season.
I’m dissing Hughes, but he has fallen from when everyone referred to him as Phil Franchise.
Meant to say I am NOT dissing Hughes.
Craw, those are great pics. I didn’t even recognize Jeter in the pic where he’s reading the NY Post – my word, he looked young. I’m not a big fan of that beefcake pic……but I like the Damon/Jeter one.
Ray, I’m not sure about that. Phil had at least 2 brilliant outings as a starter last year (esp. in Arlington against the Rangers) and he showed that his stuff had essentially returned. I know he had a bad post-season, but he was fantastic out of the pen…
I loved Ellisbury’s steal of home. To me it indicated a complete disrespect of the Yankees. And I hope that helped motivate the team to do as well as it did including dominating the Red Sox later in the year.
Personally, as payback, I would run on either Varitek or Martinez every opportunity I had until their arms fell off, as neither had a shut-down throw to second or third.
I wish Melky would improve not only with his bat, though he was often clutch, but also on the bases. He actually has some speed, though not in Ellisbury’s class. That would tremendously improve his value both to the team and externally.
Phil, I don’t think Pena can do the job nearly as well as Hairston……and I don’t have faith in Miranda. I really hope the Yankees do not try to go on the cheap in some ways just to say they saved money (and that they are younger).
betsy
reminds me of that old woody allen movie where he tries to rob the bank and slips the teller a note that says ” I have a gub” meaning “gun” mispelled. she calls the bank mgr over to discuss the spelling. hilarious.
Ellisbury has…’run away from the cops speed’, I think they call it these days.
I hate prospect hoarding. Use them to get something good. Why? Here’s why…..
Yankees top 10 prospects in 2005:
TOP TEN PROSPECTS
1. Eric Duncan, 3b
2. Robinson Cano, 2b
3. Philip Hughes, rhp
4. Steven White, rhp
5. Dioner Navarro, c
6. Christian Garcia, rhp
7. Marcos Vechionacci, inf
8. Melky Cabrera, of
9. Bronson Sardinha, 3b/of
10. Chien-Ming Wang, rhp
Yankees top 10 prospects in 2006:
1. Philip Hughes, rhp
2. Jose Tabata, of
3. Dellin Betances, rhp
4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp
5. Ian Kennedy, rhp
6. Chris Garcia, rhp
7. Tyler Clippard, rhp
8. J. Brent Cox, rhp
9. Mark Melancon, rhp
10. Brett Gardner, of
Point is…..18 different guys from the top 10’s of 2005 & 2006….and as of right now only 5 of those 18 have any sort of ML impact. You cant expect every prospect to be successful and if going by those 2 years, it suggests that only about 30% of prospects ever amount to anything at all. Mind you, the 5 of those 18….2 of the 5 have been nothing more than pen arms (Hughes & Chamberlain) and a average CF at best in Melky…..Wang & Cano are the only ones that have made any Big time impact.
If Brackman proves that his velo and command are back over a full season, you’ll be right. The TJ surgery diminished his value. The view that he would need it is why he was even available at the end of the 1st round.
But if you had the choice between Porcello in low A or the AJack after his 2009 season, you’d take Porcello.
Betsy – high on pie
November 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“Ray, I’m not sure about that. Phil had at least 2 brilliant outings as a starter last year (esp. in Arlington against the Rangers) and he showed that his stuff had essentially returned. I know he had a bad post-season, but he was fantastic out of the pen…”
Betsy, I certainly understand and respect your perspective. Who knows, perhaps a couple years down the road I will have to agree that Hughes is better than Bucholtz.
I do know that Hughes is a good pitcher.
“Melky’s a better overall defensive player and he hits for more power and would hit for a higher average if he hit in Fenway also as the Green Monster def turns outs in other stadiums into hits and thus an increase in ba”
Ellsbury at home = .301, 35 SB’s, 101 hits
Ellsbury on the road = .301, 35 SB’s, 87 hits
Actually, reverse that. Ellsbury had 101 hits OTR and 87 at home
LOL So the Jays want more from the Yankees than from the Sox…….forget it.
what Bucholtz got was 10-15 starts to get his feet/legs under him. Hughes hasn’t had that opportunity yet. He got 4/5 starts look very good for the most part and then got moved to the ‘pen out of need not because of failure as a starter.
That is why i’m of the opinion that Phil deserves the 25 starts that would take him to about 160-170innings this year to establish himself as a starter. I think if we throw him out there every 5th day from Apr.-Aug. we’ll see what his future can be.
Rich, I hate direct deposit; I’m one of maybe a few in my office that doesn’t get it (and I never will).
# DaSaint007 November 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I loved Ellisbury’s steal of home. To me it indicated a complete disrespect of the Yankees. And I hope that helped motivate the team to do as well as it did including dominating the Red Sox later in the year.
Personally, as payback, I would run on either Varitek or Martinez every opportunity I had until their arms fell off, as neither had a shut-down throw to second or third.
heDaSaint007 November 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I loved Ellisbury’s steal of home. To me it indicated a complete disrespect of the Yankees. And I hope that helped motivate the team to do as well as it did including dominating the Red Sox later in the year.
Personally, as payback, I would run on either Varitek or Martinez every opportunity I had until their arms fell off, as neither had a shut-down throw to second or third.
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You are right about running on them. Girardi does not forget a thing and will not fall asleep at the wheel like his predecessor.
Betsy,
Miranda’s gonna get a shot at DH, sorry. Pena will compete with the others for the UT spot. Russo can hit. And they can always get a back up at the deadline, but no reason to block the kids now with an old infielder.
To be fair, the actual tweet is this:
ive heard halladay-shopping jays like jesus montero of #yanks (plus hughes/joba?) and casey kelly of #redsox (plus buchholz?)
**Heyman put the ? after Hughes/Joba – he may be assuming things.
You can also be sure Joe G. won’t forget to payback the Rays for that last series.
Reality Check
my point is that MELKY would see an increase in avg hitting in Fenway as a rh hitter who pulls the ball and a lh hitter that flys out to left center alot a Yankee stadium,balls that would be singles and doubles off the Green Monster.
How old is Bucholz now?
Clay is 25
The Yanks have an outstanding lefthanded releiver in triple A. Zach Kroenke. Had a 1.91 ERA. 1.01 whip and 74K in 64 innings. Leftys hit.188 against him. Yet the Yanks did not protect him so he will defenitely be taken in the rule 5 draft. I guess the brass knows more than I do. However, the Yanks added two double A pitchers that no one is going to take in the rule V draft.
“I think if we throw him out there every 5th day from Apr.-Aug. we’ll see what his future can be.”
Then from August through the end of the year, we can look forward to frustrating 2 and 3 inning starts to keep his innings down. I sure hope they figure out a better way to deal with the innings limits this year.
While I commend CR9 for his true fandom of the Yanks, that was not me. One word though : Brilliant!
ray, you meant respectfully disagree. And as of right now, you’re right, Hughes has not proven anything. On the other hand, aside from a few starts against the Orioles and Blue Jays (and even in a couple of those games as well) Buchholz has proven only to be a 100 pitch in 5 or less than 6 innings guy. In the playoffs, he pitched well, giving up only 2 runs, but when it came to the 6th inning IIRC, he was knocked out per the usual.
In Buchholz’ defense, Lester was a 100 pitch in 5 inning guy as well when he started out.
I bet Buchholz wishes he had that Ellsbury “run from the cops” speed, damn laptop thief!
Phil
glad to hear the Yanks thinking is right in line with my own about Miranda and the backups.
now hope fully we’ll sign Ankiel early and send him down to Tampa to work with Jeter and Long with Miranda and Melky and AJax joining that group for an extra/early month of work on hitting.
And sign Chapman and send him down to Tampa and start him in Trenton next season
Phil, me too…….that’s scary. You never think it happens in your neighborhood, but it does…..and now it has. I’m not really worried about going there again, but I wonder if I’ll be thinking about it the next time I do go…….
Understood Rich, thanks. If that’s the case, then the Yankees have some good arms in the minors that get very little attention. Others have said it, and I’ll just echo that the Red Sox system is semmingly always touted as can’t miss, while the Yankee system is perceived to be thin.
Based on my (biased) observations, Cashman has done a very good job of restocking the system. Chamberlain, Hughes, Robertson, Aceves, Coke, Kennedy, Melancon, Brackman, Dunn, Wang, De LaRosa, Garcia, Noesi, Nova, and even Ramirez. Many of those have made an impact on the big club already, some have stuck, some haven’t, and others are in the pipleline. Yet, they get little to no outside notice.
I would say that if anything, we’ve built up arms over position players (other than catcher), and that may hurt in the long run, but time will tell.
Understood Rich, thanks. If that’s the case, then the Yankees have some good arms in the minors that get very little attention. Others have said it, and I’ll just echo that the Red Sox system is semmingly always touted as can’t miss, while the Yankee system is perceived to be thin.
Based on my (biased) observations, Cashman has done a very good job of restocking the system. Chamberlain, Hughes, Robertson, Aceves, Coke, Kennedy, Melancon, Brackman, Dunn, Wang, De LaRosa, Garcia, Noesi, Nova, and even Ramirez. Many of those have made an impact on the big club already, some have stuck, some haven’t, and others are in the pipleline. Yet, they get little to no outside notice.
I would say that if anything, we’ve built up arms over position players (other than catcher), and that may hurt in the long run, but time will tell.
Mick, I bet I’d love that movie…………if you recall it, let me know. I may try and rent it…..
Alex Gonzalez signs w/the Blue Jays and what is Tubby’s response:
“Some #Redsox fans are unnecessarily upset at losing Alex Gonzalez. He had a .635 OPS last season.”
Of course, had he re-signed w/the Sox he would be raving about the stabilizing impact he had on their infield defense (and the fact that he hit well after being acquired).
I guess he’s learning the spin moves from his idol, Peter “Make Mine a Tanqueray and Red Sox” Gammons.
Take the Money and Run
Betsy.. I think it was Take the Money and Run. I’ll look it up.
Phil, well if that’s the case, I’m rooting hard for Miranda – I just hope the Yankees have a backup plan. I do like Pena – I hate to make it sound like I don’t. The problem I have is that we’d be going into the season with a weak bench. Cervelli, Pena……? Do you really think we can get another Hairston at the deadline? I will say though…….one thing that happened for the Yankees this year is that our reinforcements from the minors actually did very well, surprisingly so. That was very encouraging……I wonder if they can keep it up.
# Mark in Tampa November 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Take the Money and Run
# mick November 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Betsy.. I think it was Take the Money and Run. I’ll look it up.
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Must be.
Ray, Bucholz did well last year – he’s going to be good. I admit I put qualifiers on his starts as a lot of his victories seemed to come against the Jays or O’s. Still, he pitched much better than I thought he would against the Angels….until he got tired, I guess.
Anybody ekse watching this Devils-Bruins game? It’s an excellent game. Marty’s been sensational, the best I’ve seen him play in a long time.
Craig F.
Dunn and Noesi would have been taken and Dunn ahead of Kroenke as Dunn’s velo is upper 90’s and Kroenke is 88-91. The point is Cokie is probably better than Zach and Dunn is definitely the higher ceiling arm.
Mark
I’m almost certain that the Yanks will handle the “Hughes Rules” much different than the flawed way that the “Joba Rules” were implemented. Having said that I think that Phil would handle the “rules” portion of the schedule, were it to be implemented in the same way, better than Joba did.
I think instead they would shut Phil down for a month similar to Porcello w/the Tigers last year and some combo of IPK,Nova,McCallister would fill in those starts that Phil missed depending on merit at the time. If it came in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline next July could be used as a showcase of sorts for the AAA guys increasing their value for deals @ the deadline.
Betsy,
remember, the minors are getting better every year, and more help could come from them in season this year.
Pete is the Clogfather, for his clogged arteries due to Mickey D’s hamburgers.
Betsy
Funny. I was in a Chase today with a simple transaction.
The teller offered to give me an extra $20, which I refused saying she was wrong. 15 minutes later I was out of there. It took 2 tellers to do simple math.
Should have Took the Money and Run. Lol.
Wait, I was. But Chico and Doc were stinksniffing the Bruins the whole time, opposed to the way they insult the Rangers every time the Rangers play the Devs.
I had enough of their stinksniffing when they said the Byron Bitz was a good player and learns something new every day and is getting better and better.
Patrice Bergeron, yeah, Blake Wheeler, maybe, but Byron Bitz??
Stinksniffing at its finest.
She finds the $20 mistake then offers to give me $300 less.
Must have been too much of something with that turkey.
I don’t even care about Chico and Doc. Marty is putting on a clinic.
Shootout.
The only reason they’re in SO is because of Marty.
Marty was, and got cheated by that puck hitting a stansion.
How does Marty do it year after year?
He’s still putting on a clinic. The only goal was scored by bad luck.
Mark and Mick, thanks!
Was that Blake Wheeler. If so, I dont believe it. They get a loser to be better than good for them.
TIED UP!
Marty is the Mo of hockey.
WOOOHOOO
What a score on that first Devs goal!
Tiger Woods in serious condition after an early-morning car accident (hey, hey Tippy Turtle?):
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dp.....iger-woods
Devils win!
What a game. Hockey at its finest.
Devils come from behind in the SO, back to back goals by Parise and Langenbrenner.
Betsy,,,,Brain Cashman will never trade Young Master Hughes…..Or it’ll have to be a historic type transaction for him to be moved……….Phillip Hughes reprsents the Brain Cashman era, he’s the face of the Cashman regime….Besides he’s a future Ace type pitcher……I fully expect to be hammered on that comment, but frankly I’ve been rebuffing them for 3 years here……Just ask yourself, had he not been dinged by 2 freakish injuries, where wpuld the 23 year be right now……..Betsy his outing vs. Detroit in Detroit when he was called back up was the Hughes we’ll be seeing very soon….Or maybe th no hitter when he was 19 in his 2nd MLB start…..He’s the face of the future Yanks in the upcoming decade……Joba, if he gets dedicated could very well join him…..
Wow, poor Tiger. Makes that great comeback after the knee injury, now this.
Betsy-glad to hear you missed all the action!
mick
November 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Betsy.. I think it was Take the Money and Run. I’ll look it up.
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You’re right, it’s Take the Money and Run. Classic movie.
Wow, poor Tiger…….I’m confused. He was going slowly (relatively that is, at 33 MPH) and he hit a fire hydrant and a tree? I don’t want to speculate, but it’s hard not to come to a particular conclusion. If that’s not the case, then why would charges be pending? I hope he’s ok.holy cow.
Pat,
I agree he won’t trade Phil Hughes, but you do realize Phil was drafted in `04, before Cash got his new deal and consolidated power. But if you just mean he’s held onto him like grim death, you are correct.
erin
if you were me would you have taken the money and run?
Betsy they are saying alcohol wasn’t involved, but as you said it is hard not to come to that conclusion. Call me a cynic but I don’t buy it.
mick
November 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
erin
if you were me would you have taken the money and run?
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Definitely. LOL
Pat M, I don’t think Cash would trade Phil, either. I try not to think about the injuries because it would drive me crazy if I did. I do think about the fact that Cashman said he wouldn’t be up here before September 20007 and then he rushed him because of injuries to the rotation. I love Cash, but IMO, that was a major mistake. We’re talking about a kid so dominant that he had never faced a bases loaded situation. From what I’ve read, the Yankees also took him out of games before his pitch count got too high – I don’t think they did a very good job with him. He’s talented and he’s got a great atttiude and work ethic; I don’t doubt Phil at all (though I’m still puzzled by this past post-season).
Erin, thanks – so am I! Have you watched Seems Like Old Times yet? Tonight’s another movie I love, but it’s a kid’s movie – Bedknobs and Broomsticks.
erin
ever feel guilty about doing the right thing?
Jen, I missed that part…..so I will hold off on concluding anything (I hope that’s not the case, though). Either way, I hope Tiger is ok.
I’d love to see Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy succeed and make it to the rotation together one day. Probably wishful thinking though.
I’d love to see Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy succeed and make it to the rotation together one day. Probably wishful thinking though.
Betsy they also said charges were pending. So what would they charge him with? Strange!
ray (sox fan)
November 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I won’t argue if one says I am biased, but with that being said I do think that Ellsbury is a better player than Melky although if I am the Yankees I still don’t trade Melky for a reliever.
Ellsbury is near the top of the American League in stolen bases, and consistently has a higher batting average than Melky by about 30 points.
Melky hits for more power but not by a signifcant amount. I think in terms of home runs Melky had 13 last year and Ellsbury had 8. Melky had 68 RBI’s and Ellsbury had 60.
Melky has a better arm, but I would take Ellsbury’s speed and stolen bases over Melky’s arm.
Just my opinion.
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I agree Ellsbury is a much better player than Melky. Ellsbury hits leadoff in the red sox lineup while Melky is hitting 9th.
they’re saying the accident happened at 2:20 a.m. That’s either awfully late for someone to be up or awfully early for someone to be up. Perhaps he got up hastily to run to the store – he does have a couple of kids, right? Maybe one of them was sick? Maybe he was tired? In a hurry?
All this time, he has always been compared to Nicklaus. But, if you follow golf, and his dedication to his swing, now with the accident; a more apt comparison could be Ben Hogan.
Jerry Hairston wasn’t even that good for the yankees. He had a nice two weeks but then he really didn’t do anything. Ramiro Pena did a nice job all season long there is no reason to bring Hairston back.
betsy
I think Phil got overwhelmed this post-season. It all kinda snuck up on him plus he was confused by Girardi’s sudden change in his usage and subsequent “Demotion,” below Joba in the pecking order.
It really was a leap of faith by Girardi, promoting Joba and Marte over Phil and Coke. Sort of managing by the seat of your pants. Our lefty domination over their lefty swingers, except for CC and Utley, of course was a key to the series and Marte was a major part of that.
Go figure!
“So what would they charge him with?”
If alcohol was not involved, as they are apparently saying, it could be that he was texting, which is becoming a huge hazard on the roads.
Betsy – high on pie
November 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Erin, thanks – so am I! Have you watched Seems Like Old Times yet? Tonight’s another movie I love, but it’s a kid’s movie – Bedknobs and Broomsticks.
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Betsy, I’m planning on watching it tonight.
I used to love Bedknobs and Broomsticks! I didn’t like it quite as much as Mary Poppins though.
mick
November 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
erin
ever feel guilty about doing the right thing?
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sadly, yes. How about you?
I agree Ellsbury is a much better player than Melky. Ellsbury hits leadoff in the red sox lineup while Melky is hitting 9th.
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He wouldn’t hit leadoff for us.
Ellsbury would be a #9 hitter over there if they had a legit leadoff guy.
Tiger has had a tough week. Good wishes for him and his family.
erin
yes, today.
sounds like an old Beatles tune.
yes, today.
all my troubles seem so far away.
mick
November 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
erin
yes, today.
sounds like an old Beatles tune.
yes, today.
all my troubles seem so far away.
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Love it.
hopefully you’re troubles aren’t here to stay
Ellsbury hits leadoff because the Sux don’t have a better option right now although most scouts would prefer to see him in the #9 hole.
Melky is batting 9th because the Yanks have more experienced options for the leadoff spot in Jeter and Damon. Melky was however pretty good hitting leadoff for the Yanks in ‘08 when Damon was out could bat leadoff for us in the future.
I have a feeling that Melky will improve and be an even better player for us this season and am also of the opinion that we’d be a better defensive team if we played Leche in LF where I think he’d be plus defensively. With the makeup of our team I’d be happy with a
.290-.300/18hr/90runs/90rbis line from Melky with 500+abs as my Lf’er….
Ellsbury hits leadoff because the Sux don’t have a better option right now although most scouts would prefer to see him in the #9 hole.
Melky is batting 9th because the Yanks have more experienced options for the leadoff spot in Jeter and Damon. Melky was however pretty good hitting leadoff for the Yanks in ‘08 when Damon was out could bat leadoff for us in the future.
I have a feeling that Melky will improve and be an even better player for us this season and am also of the opinion that we’d be a better defensive team if we played Leche in LF where I think he’d be plus defensively. With the makeup of our team I’d be happy with a
.290-.300/18hr/90runs/90rbis line from Melky with 500+abs as my Lf’er….
That’s terrible news about Tiger. At least he’s not in critical condition.
Ellsbury’s a better player than Melky, but not by a huge amount. Melky being a switch hitter is a plus, though.
It’s nice knowing that we don’t HAVE to make any major moves. I know that Jeter would totally disagree with me, but the pressure to “win” is off a bit. haha.
Tiger was released from the hsopital so that sounds positive.
Yankees WS share rumored to be $367,000.
pat- WOW that is insane! What was it last year?
Tiger supposedly just has facial lacerations. Bizarre accident though given that he was not under the influence. I’m just glad he’s OK.
“Yankees WS share rumored to be $367,000.”
Another Ferrari for many of these guys.
They can give me 67,000 grand out of that. Not asking for much.
test
“What was it last year?”
Full shares for the Phillies was $351,000 last year.
m1kew
November 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
To those who are not afraid to shed a tear … http://zellspinstripeblog.com/ and click on the Bob Sheppard Tribute video.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!
“Tiger supposedly just has facial lacerations. Bizarre accident though given that he was not under the influence. I’m just glad he’s OK.”
It is good that he’s OK. Not being under the influence is a little hard to buy though.
“Melky is batting 9th because the Yanks have more experienced options for the leadoff spot in Jeter and Damon”
Objective much? Melky doesn’t lead off because he’s a .330 OBP guy. He hits 9th because he’s a .330 OPB guy with no power. Good kid and all, but he’s an average bat on his greatest day.
Good kid and all, but he’s an average bat on his greatest day.
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I have to disagree. He is a pie in face guy on his greatest day.
“Full shares for the Phillies was $351,000 last year.”
Cards full share was $362,000 in ‘06. I think it’s somehow tied to the gate.
13homers is not ‘no power’…
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....MTp0jl2TlI
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Not sure this figure of 21+M coming off the books is accurate, since more would come off counting Nady, Molina, Hinske, Hairston, Ramirez, possibly Bruney.
Lets say the starting figure is 175M,before we sign FA’s or trade for players.
If the Steinbrenners want to keep the payroll just under 200M, to give them flexibility at the July trading deadline, there’s just less than 25M, to find a starting pitcher or two if Pettitte retires, a LF, a DH.
As the article mentions, let’s say Matsui is resigned for one year @ 7M, Pettitte comes back for 10M. Now I have 8M for another starter and LF.
You can forget Halladay, Holliday,Bay, Lackey.
Start thinking smaller:
Incentive laden contract for Harden, who seems more ready than Bedard or Sheets, or Duscherer?
Incentive one year deal for Cameron, with Melky moving to left?
Like your “expert” opinions if faced with budget restraints of 200M for the 2010 beginning budget.
“I have to disagree. He is a pie in face guy on his greatest day
LOL. True. But I think you know what I mean
What would you ask for if you possibly had a chance to get
a Jeter autograph
previously used for a facial pie remains
Gaudins warm up ball
Henske’s bat in the playoffs
Matsui’s glove
Thoughts?
I’d love to see a throwing contest between Johnny Damon, Jacoby Ellsbury and Melky. The order of finish would be 1) Melky and a 150 foot tie for last between Damon and Ellsbury.
It kept getting caught up in the filters.
Continuation. My sisters daughter(trying to get this to go throught)has VERY good conections with Aceves cousin.
I will not tolerate anti-Melkyism on this site.
Matsui’s glove.
“Point is…..18 different guys from the top 10’s of 2005 & 2006….and as of right now only 5 of those 18 have any sort of ML impact. You cant expect every prospect to be successful and if going by those 2 years, it suggests that only about 30% of prospects ever amount to anything at all. Mind you, the 5 of those 18….2 of the 5 have been nothing more than pen arms (Hughes & Chamberlain) and a average CF at best in Melky…..Wang & Cano are the only ones that have made any Big time impact.”
This isn’t the best example to make your argument. Of the top 10 from 2005, Wang, Cano, Melky, and Navarro were off the list the next year because they were promoted to the big leagues. The list from 2006 were mostly lower level prospects as Cashman was rebuilding the minor league system.
There are obviously times when trading a prospect is the best decision. Having said that, the Yankees would be worse off if they had traded Wang, Cano, Melky, Hughes, or Joba in 2005 or 2006.
The Yankees can afford to keep their prospects, hope they reach their potential, and fill holes on the free agent market. That seems to be Cashman’s game plan, and it has put the Yankees in a position to be World Series contenders now and in the long term.
What would you ask for if you possibly had a chance to get
a Jeter autograph
previously used for a facial pie remains
Gaudins warm up ball
Henske’s bat in the playoffs
Matsui’s glove
Thoughts?
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How about Jeter’s glove? I happen to have one for sale.
S.o.S.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
What would you ask for if you possibly had a chance to get
a Jeter autograph
previously used for a facial pie remains
Gaudins warm up ball
Henske’s bat in the playoffs
Matsui’s glove
Thoughts?
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I think I wouuld go for Sui’s glove
edit: would not wouuld
Thanks for the feed back. I see the majority is leaning towards Matsui’s glove. The only problem with that is he hasnt used it all year. Its still brand new, hasnt been slept on. I might as well go to big 5 and buy me a Rawlings Matsui glove with his fake signature stamped on it. Who would believe me one way or the other?
Is it offensive to ask for these items and not ask the player who is going get them for their own autograph or personal item?
I think you mean Juan Rivera
Hi folks,
I last posted on this blog about 13 months ago. I had given the readers of this site about a week’s advance notice on the Mark Teixeira singing.
Today I am here to tell you that Hideki Matsui has been advised by the team that he will not be offered a contract.
“If the Steinbrenners want to keep the payroll just under 200M, to give them flexibility at the July trading deadline, there’s just less than 25M, to find a starting pitcher or two if Pettitte retires, a LF, a DH.”
That’s assuming Hughes and Joba aren’t both in the rotation. The Yankees had the best record in baseball with Joba as their 4th starter all season long. There’s no reason to think that Joba won’t improve next year. The Yankees got terrible production from their 5th starters last year: 32 starts, 147 IP, 6.92 ERA. Hughes has to be able to do better than 4 and a half IP/S with a 6.92 ERA.
CC, AJ, Pettitte, Joba, Hughes w/ Gaudin, Mitre, Wang, Kennedy, and Aveces is a lot of rotation depth.
“18 different guys from the top 10’s of 2005 & 2006….and as of right now only 5 of those 18 have any sort of ML impact”
5 of 18 is actually a good percentage.
“I think Phil got overwhelmed this post-season. It all kinda snuck up on him plus he was confused by Girardi’s sudden change in his usage and subsequent “Demotion,” below Joba in the pecking order.”
I am confused by this. Phil had his usual 8th inning role for several games, but pitched poorly almost every time out until Joe was basically forced to demote him.
Phil had an 8.53 ERA in the postseason this year, and would have been even higher if 1) Punto doesn’t make a terrible baserunning blunder and 2) Mariano doesn’t come in and clean up his mess in game 3 of the ALCS
I am a big fan of Hughes, but he pitched like crap. I don’t feel the need to make any excuses for him.
no.27
Theres a fine line between pitching depth and quality of depth.
Just take a look at the Red Sox last season. They added Smoltz , and Penny , and look what happened when Dice K and Wake went down. There “pitching depth” killed them
The last thing the Yankees need to do is go that same road the Sox went down. Signing over the hill . unhealthy question marks.
Even staying put and assuming Gaudin ,Mitre, Wang or Kenndey can some how fill in starters is taking on a big risk. Espically in the AL East
if you have the money. Sign Lackey. You get a very good pitcher and you keep the kids. OR see if you can swing a trade to get an established pitcher without giving up too much
Andy deal involving Montero i’m walking away from
Hi folks,
I last posted on this blog about 13 months ago. I had given the readers of this site about a week’s advance notice on the Mark Teixeira singing.
Today I am here to tell you that Hideki Matsui has been advised by the team that he will not be offered a contract.
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Bobcat is that you.
“Theres a fine line between pitching depth and quality of depth”
You correctly noted how this played with the Red Sox. However, we needn’t look that far. Our own Yankees did not have a 4th starter they were comfortable using in the playoffs, even as they were up 2-1 in their last two series.
Obviously, Hughes and Joba COULD change all this, but guys like Gaudin, Mitre and even Kennedy are probably not guys you want to fall back on. Lackey isn’t a bad idea.
I told you guys Matsui was a goner and they’re not hiring a DH.
Free Agency only costs money.
That was the difference between trading for Santana and signing CC, as we all know. I can’t see it being different this year. Halladay is a great, competitive pitcher, whose experience in the AL East is well known. But is he better than Santana? IMO, no, so then no need to trade with Toronto. Let boston mortgage their future. I’d much rather sit this one out, or sign Lackey, or sign a lesser option if I’m trying to save money, or see if I can swing a Josh Johnson trade.
Bobcat is back!
O feline one, could you let us know why the team is doing this?
I agree DaSaint. no need to overplay our hand !. I’m sure if our pitching staff isn’t holding up by the trading deadline Cashman can make a move.
“I told you guys Matsui was a goner and they’re not hiring a DH.”
yes, i consider this matter 100% settled based on that post on LoHud from an unidentified source. you nailed it!
A preemptive ‘I told you so’!
“Theres a fine line between pitching depth and quality of depth.”
It would be the same quality of depth that the Yankees used to have the best record in baseball.
Phil, with your inside knowledge, and based on the pitching depth available in the minors, what are the chances of Brian Bruney being brought back?
“The teams only tell you what they want you to hear.It isnt always what it seems. You have crossed into the Twilight zone”
something bobcat would say.
DaSaint, I don’t know. Haven’t heard anything about Bruney, although I think there was some news that they would probably bring him back.
I’d rather give Matsui one year than give Damon two years.
I am watching the Duke UConn game. And Dick Vitale is talking about how Jim Calhoun loves his Red Sox and was so upset this year.
First, does anybody remember when Calhoun lied and said the Yankees invited him to throw out the first pitch, and the Yankees said they never did. That lying scumbag Calhoun.
Second, Dick Vitale was then talking to Dan Schulman (another ESPN Red Sox fan) and said a team in this city (in NYC) won the World Series this year. And Schulman repeats 2 or 3 times “Not so much”
Nick in SF…….Well how did you do on the Par 3 # 5 signature hole……..
“Today I am here to tell you that Hideki Matsui has been advised by the team that he will not be offered a contract.”
I am extremely skeptical. Not because they want to bring Matsui back, but because it makes sense to keep Matsui in the picture until they resolve the Damon situation. IOW, they can use the possibility of Matsui accepting a one year deal in order to have leverage with Damon.
I’d rather have Matsui back than Bruney.
It’s a year too early to relegate Posada to major appearances as the DH. The only other player who could possibly split time as DH with him is Damon who, as we all know, is not on the roster right now. Jeter won’t see much time as the DH, and Alex only slightly more because of prescribed rest. If Damon needs that much time off to serve as DH platoon, then he doesn’t deserve 1 yr, much less 2 or 3.
Not having a full-time DH will put the Yankees at a noticible disadvantage to teams who have power hitters in the spot for the majority of at-bats.
Also, if Damon or Posada DH, then their replacement off the bench will not have much power. That’s okay for a game here or there, but not an entire season.
Steve
November 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
“I told you guys Matsui was a goner and they’re not hiring a DH.”
yes, i consider this matter 100% settled based on that post on LoHud from an unidentified source. you nailed it!
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LOL
http://www.nationalpost.com/sp.....id=2273751
The Jays want a major league-ready arm and bat, both young and affordable enough to stay in Toronto a while, plus prospects for Halladay.
So that means the 89-92 mph A ball Kelly talk is BS, he can’t headline a package…
Yankees = Joba/Hughes & Jackson/Montero
Sox = Buchholz & Ellsbury
^^^ The Sox don’t have any major league ready bats @ AAA or AA, so they would have to include Ellsbury. However, due to lack of power at 26 and weak arm his ceiling is very limited.
and if that is what it would take…
PASS!!!!!!!!
Don’t be fooled. Of course, the Jays want a ridiculous package. It’s just posturing.
no 27
=It would be the same quality of depth that the Yankees used to have the best record in baseball.
Yanks were lucky. no major injuries to the staff. And a far better offense that all of baseball.
“Yanks were lucky. no major injuries to the staff. And a far better offense that all of baseball.”
Wang?
Got to agree with Rich there, as Wang was major. Injuries always happen to the rotation. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. The question is who will it happen to, and for how long, and how much depth is there to compensate until a return by the injured starter.
CC’s a horse. AJ isn’t. Andy is 37+. Frankly, that’s not a whole lot of certainty there. Joba’s been innings limited, Hughes is about to be, and Kennedy, while now healthy, is just recovering from 2 anyurism surgeries. That’s why Gaudin and Mitre (ugh!) are safety nets. But while I don’t think they are enough, I see no need to deplete the youth movement and pursue Halladay while there are sufficient affordable Free Agent options availabe.
yes, good point Rich. i totally forgot about Wang.
The Jays don’t have the leverage to get much for Halladay. Their best hope was that two teams that he would drop his NTC for would get into a bidding war. But that hasn’t happened in the trade market for awhile, at least when teams have tried to get the Yanks and Sox in a bidding war.
Per MlBTRADERUMORS.COM
The Marlins are “very willing” to trade Josh Johnson for the right package, according to John Perrotto (via Twitter). Just a few weeks ago, it seemed as though the Marlins intended on signing the 25-year-old ace to a multi-year deal.
Things could get interesting
For the record, Phil Hughes who is two years younger than Bucky by the way has an ERA+ of 105 is 192 innings.
Bucky has an ERA+ of 95 in 190 innings.
I’m just saying.
Of course Ray(Sox Fan) thinks Bucky has proven more.
However in more innings Hughes has pitched better and is two years younger than old Bucky.
Hughes also was league average as a 21 year old, don’t know how Bucky has proven more when the numbers suggests he hasn’t.
Who says Matsui isn’t being considered for 2010 ????? The organization wouldn’t reveal this without having a # 5 stick already in the fold ????
MAJOR ANNOUCEMENT
November 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS !!!!
you spelled “announcement” wrong.
Hope everyone had a GREAT Thanksgiving. I certainly did. And just polished off a dinner plate of delicious leftovers, and a fine red wine. Now, to business/pleasure –
1. Cash has an interesting calculation to make, in terms of the Red Sox and Halladay. If Cash judges that the Red Sox don’t have what it takes to make the deal, then that takes a lot of the pressure off Cash and the Yanks from dealing much-prized young talent for him. Cash could even luck out and end up waiting one year and get him for dollars only.
2. The Marlins aren’t going to have a fire sale for Josh Johnson. But, as alluded to by Mike ri, above, for the right deal, they might deal him now. Things could get very interesting, indeed.
3. raymagnetic – There you go, being logical again!
Nobody is thinking about the Angels nabbing Roy? I don’t know what they have available, but if Lackey goes, they’re all-in on someone of his caliber.
“Yanks were lucky. no major injuries to the staff. And a far better offense that all of baseball.”
Wang?
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The thing with the Wang injury though was that it didn’t affect their playoff rotation since they were able to ride a 3 man all the way through…In my opinion “ground ball” pitchers never do well in the playoffs. You need guys that can get some K’s.
ESPN announcers are a pile of crap. For any baseball news, I go to MLB network. Harold Reynolds rocks.
“The thing with the Wang injury though was that it didn’t affect their playoff rotation since they were able to ride a 3 man all the way through…In my opinion “ground ball” pitchers never do well in the playoffs. You need guys that can get some K’s.”
I didn’t know we were confining the discussion to the playoffs.
Wang certainly pitched well v. the Angels in the 2005 ALDS (1.35 ERA).
I think NY should just sign Lackey & Chapman. then bring Pettitte & Matsui back on 1-year deals, sign Cameron to patrol CF on a 1-year and move Melky to left. Then get a bullpen arm…Soriano?
Stay away from trades, and stay away from a multiyear Damon deal. Signing Lackey forces Boston to throw away their young prospective talent.
“The thing with the Wang injury though was that it didn’t affect their playoff rotation since they were able to ride a 3 man all the way through…In my opinion “ground ball” pitchers never do well in the playoffs. You need guys that can get some K’s.”
I didn’t know we were confining the discussion to the playoffs.
Wang certainly pitched well v. the Angels in the 2005 ALDS (1.35 ERA).
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Considering the playoffs are where 4 starters truly matter, you can patchwork the backend of a rotation just fine with a guy like Gaudin. Gaudin was VERY serviceable…thats why I was thinking postseason. I think Wang’s finished personally.
and boy was 2005 a long time ago lol.
If one is going to give up all that for Roy, why not give that package and alittle more to get Johnson. That would be the far better move in the short term and long term.
Considering the playoffs are where 4 starters truly matter, you can patchwork the backend of a rotation just fine with a guy like Gaudin. Gaudin was VERY serviceable…thats why I was thinking postseason. I think Wang’s finished personally.
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Either way, Wang was a significant loss. In terms of his regular season career, he would have been their #2 starter.
I don’t think he’s donw.
“and boy was 2005 a long time ago lol.”
Four years?
i agree
we should strike first & trade for jj or kf
let the rs pay 100 million for doc,lose prospects & get becket mad to the point he leaves or gets a huge raise further hurting the rs
at least we get a younger more cost controlled pitcher for now
joba or hughes with 2 or 3 more prospects & try like hell to keep at least montero,maybe ajax also
if we keep montero & one of joba/hughes we have to do it
According to Gawker, Jeter will be named Sports Illustrated’s Sportsman of the Year.
http://gawker.com/5414123/dere.....f-the-year