Mattingly 14 seasons: BA .307 OBP: .358 RBI: 100 Career Hits:2153, Golden Gloves 9. Hits per 162: 195

Winfield 22 seasons: BA .283 OBP: .353 RBI: 100 Career Hits: 3110. Golden Gloves: 7. Hits per 162: 169.

Since the standard for the Hall is 10 seasons. So exactly how is Winfield’s 22 year career demonstrably better than Mattingly’s 14 year career?

Yes, I used rate stats. That is exactly my point. In his era, lots of players were able to extend their careers by using steriods. “Stat compilers” was a phrase I saw used for Palmiero and Winfield. Be pretty good, and play 18 years, and your totals add up. Clearly Palmiero had the compiled stats….but this usage knocks him out of the running. But you have to wonder how many players in the post 1990 era did extend their careers…and build up stats for a “long run” case. I am making an “intermediate run case.”

Several times I sat in seats right off the batting box. Mattingly showed no signs of steriod use.

This is why i wish Mussina stayed two years. With this lineup he would have easily gotten 300 and would be a first ballot HOF. Mussina will go through this same thing. And he deserves the HOF more than Blyleven.

Unfortunately, some of them end up voted in by the veterans committee.

But Andre Dawson is not even close to Hall of Fame calibre.

on the fence – Morris

Here is a piece of one of the articles. On the right sidebar, there are links to the articles in the Bert Blyleven series.

“*** Since 1900, Bert Blyleven ranks 5th in career strikeouts, 8th in shutouts, and 19th in wins. ***

That should do it, don’t ya think?

Blyleven is 5th in career strikeouts. Every pitcher in the top 17 who is eligible for the Hall of Fame has already been enshrined in Cooperstown except Blyleven. The only four pitchers who have struck out more batters than Bert are Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, and Steve Carlton. The nine pitchers immediately behind Blyleven are Tom Seaver, Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry, Walter Johnson, Greg Maddux, Phil Niekro, Fergie Jenkins, Bob Gibson, and Pedro Martinez. That’s keeping pretty good company, no?

Blyleven is 9th in career shutouts overall and 8th since 1900. The only pitchers with more white washes are Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Cy Young, Eddie Plank, Warren Spahn, Nolan Ryan, and Tom Seaver. Hall of Famers all. In fact, one could make the case that these eight pitchers are inner circle Hall of Famers. The 13 pitchers immediately behind Blyleven are Don Sutton, Pud Galvin, Ed Walsh, Bob Gibson, Mordecai Brown, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Juan Marichal, Rube Waddell, Vic Willis, Don Drysdale, and Fergie Jenkins. Once again, each and every one of these pitchers is a member of the Hall of Fame. In fact, every pitcher who has 50 or more shutouts is in the HOF except Blyleven. And he has SIXTY!

Blyleven is 27th in career wins and 19th since 1900. Every pitcher above Blyleven who is eligible for the Hall of Fame has been inducted into Cooperstown except Bobby Mathews, a 19th-century hurler with 297 wins, and Tommy John, who accumulated one more victory than Bert. Immediately behind Blyleven are Hall of Famers such as Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins, Red Ruffing, Burleigh Grimes, Jim Palmer, Bob Feller, and Eppa Rixey. There are dozens of others behind this group who are also in the HOF, including such notables as Carl Hubbell, Bob Gibson, and Sandy Koufax, as well as Catfish Hunter, a Blyleven contemporary who won 63 fewer games and trailed in shutouts by 18 and strikeouts by 1,689. Blyleven didn’t just trounce Hunter in counting stats but he also trumped him in arguably the most important rate stat for pitchers. Hunter’s adjusted ERA (ERA+) was 104 (or 4% better than the league average). By comparison, Blyleven’s ERA+ was 118 (or 18% better than the league average).”

http://baseballanalysts.com/ar.....dditio.php