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Looking back at the 2009 trades

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Has today been a slow day for everyone else, too? Maybe I’m still reeling from all the turkey, but my day has been nothing but television nonsense, a few Bob Dylan albums and plans for a Chinese food dinner.

In the spirit of more exciting days to come, let’s look back. At this point, I don’t think anyone would be surprised to see Brian Cashman pull off a Nick Swisher-type three-for-one trade to open some spots on the 40-man, so let’s look back at the Yankees 2009 trades. A some point next week we might add to this list.

February 2: LHP Chase Wright to the Brewers for C/OF Eric Fryer
Why? Because Wright had been designated for assignment and Fryer seemed to (possibly) have a little bit of upside as an older prospect.
Good move? Small move but a good one. Wright won nine games in the Pacific Coast League but ultimately became a free agent without ever geting to Milwaukee. Fryer didn’t do much in High-A Tampa but was part of the Eric Hinske trade.

March 22: Cash (money, not Kevin) to the White Sox for C Chris Stewart
Why? Because Stewart was terrific as Scranton/Wilkes-Barre’s regular catcher the year before. Also, Francisco Cervelli was set to open in Double-A and catching depth can be vital.
Good move? Yep. Catching depth proved important as both Cervelli and Kevin Cash wound up catching in the big leagues, and Stewart once again had a terrific season in Triple-A. It would have been nice to see P.J. Pilittere get more Triple-A at-bats, but Stewart’s a great player to have around, especially with all of those good young arms on the Triple-A staff.

March 28: RHP Jason Jones to the Twins for RHP Charles Nolte
Why? Because Jones was a returned Rule 5 pick who had no place to pitch in the Yankees organization, and Nolte had a 2.00 career ERA in two minor league seasons.
Good move? Sure. Neither pitched especially well — ERAs above 5.00 for both – but at least Nolte is younger. Jones deserved a shot at Triple-A and he wasn’t going to get it with the Yankees.

May 16: RHP Eric Hacker to the Pirates for RHP Romulo Sanchez
Why? Because Hacker had been designated for assignment and trading him was better than losing him on waivers (which is exactly what happened to Steven Jackson a few days later). Sanchez had a big arm and some big league experience.
Good move? Absolutely. Hacker pitched pretty well and got to the big leagues, but he was ultimately outrighted off the Pirates roster. Sanchez, meanwhile, came into his own when he moved into the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre rotation and was added to the Yankees 40-man. As far as DFA trades go, this could hardly have worked any better.

June 24: RHP Jose Veras to the Indians for Cash (money, not the general manager)
Why? Because Veras had been designated for assignment after a 5.96 ERA.
Good move? At least the Yankees got something for Veras. I had honestly forgotten all about him until working on this post. He pitched a little better for the Indians — 4.38 ERA – but it’s hard to imagine Veras playing any sort of role for the Yankees in the second half.

June 30: RHP Casey Erickson and C/OF Eric Fryer to the Pirates for OF/3B Eric Hinske
Why? Because the Yankees wanted to improve their bench, and the cost of two Class-A players didn’t seem too high a price to pay.
Good move? Probably. Fryer moved back to catcher after spending his brief time with the Yankees as a left fielder, but it was Erickson who was the prize of the deal for the Pirates. He had a 1.17 ERA with 32 strikeouts and only six walks in 38.1 innings with Low-A West Virginia. Erickson pitched well, but Hinske played a role in giving the Yankees their 27th championship, and that was the point of making the trade. Unless Erickson becomes a stud, the move was well worth it for the Yankees.

July 29: Cash (money, not Tango’s partner) to the Rockies for RHP Jason Hirsh
Why? Because the Triple-A team suddenly needed another starting pitcher. It was initially thought to be a PTBNL deal, but Mark Newman told me recently that the Yankees sent money to complete the trade.
Good move? Yes. Once a big name prospect, Hirsh had struggled through injuries and had terrible numbers before coming to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, but he pitched well for the Yankees. He’s still in the organization — I have no idea how he’s not a free agent, but he’s not — and he could pitch his way back to the big leagues if he continues to rebound.

July 31: C Chase Weems to the Reds for INF Jerry Hairston Jr.
Why? Because Cody Ransom struggled, Ramiro Pena is young and Angel Berroa isn’t very good. Also the Yankees have a ton of catching prospects, losing one didn’t hurt.
Good move? Hairston got a pie to the face, started a playoff game and improved the Yankees bench. Weems hit .197 for Class-A Dayton. So, yeah, good move.

August 7: Cash (money, not another lame joke) to the Padres for RHP Chad Gaudin
Why? Because Sergio Mitre was the Yankees fifth starter and Josh Towers had been temporarily brought up to give the Yankees a long reliever.
Good move? Not a huge move, but a very good one. Although he played a limited role in the playoffs, Gaudin pitched well down the stretch and could play a role next year.

August 31: (Something) to the Orioles for OF Freddy Guzman
Why? Because Guzman is very, very fast.
Good move? Guess so. Proving that roster rules are for suckers, Guzman made the Yankees postseason roster. His role was extremely minimal, but he was there and that’s got to count for something. The deal was initially announced as a trade for either cash or a player to be named. I don’t remember ever reading that it was finalized, but I’m betting a small amount of money went to the Orioles. I’ll try to remember to ask about it. I can’t imagine the Yankees giving up anything significant.

 
 

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106 Responses to “Looking back at the 2009 trades”

  1. RonH November 29th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Very interesting post. Thanks for the review Chad!

  2. Phil November 29th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    I think the fun will start later this week.

  3. Same Old November 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Gaudin was acquired from the Padres, not the A’s.

  4. Chad Jennings November 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Oh yeah! I’ll fix it. Sorry about that.

  5. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Since the arbritration system went into effect, the Hot Stove season is a drag until the Winter meetings get going….It used to be that some action took place during and after the GM meetigs..However those meetings are shorter and with a heavy laced baseball operations agenda’s….Once the Arb deadline hits and the Winter Meetings kick off, The Hot Stove season will be in full gear…..

  6. Anthony Murillo November 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I really liked the Hairston Jr. trade.

    I guess the Yankee bench will be a little different in 2010. Looks like Molina and Hairston will be replaced by Cervelli and Pena. Anyone else think the Yankees will bring back Eric Hinskie? He’s nice to have off the bench, provides a little pop. Plus he’s been a “good luck charm” for teams in the recent seasons.

    A bench of:
    Cervelli
    Pena
    Gardner
    Hinskie

    Is a pretty good one.

  7. Jordan November 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Great post Chad. You forget about all the little deals over the course of the season.

  8. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    “Once the Arb deadline hits and the Winter Meetings kick off, The Hot Stove season will be in full gear…”

    I agree: that is one of the high water marks for the Hot Stove. The other is becoming the day that Cashman gets his budget. You kind of get the feeling that everybody else waits to see what the Evil Empire is looking to spend and then they set their sights accordingly.

  9. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    These are the little deals that a team and GM has to pay attention to, to keep an organization solid. From minor league catchers, to stocking the major league bench and back end of the pitching staff, these all add up.

    Thanks, Chad. Having access to your knowledge base of the minor league operations is terrific.

  10. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Murphy, that’s true……….plus, the mega-shark is prehistoric. I mean, that’s really old. Do we want to trust this methuselah of sharks when we have up and coming great whites?

  11. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    I suppose it’s been a slow day for me, but I like slow. I’m reading a book about Wyatt Earp now, so anytime I start a book it’s a good thing.

  12. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    I’d say getting Erick Hinske definitely was a good move – I wouldn’t mind having him back. This bench is going to be completely weak if we go with Cervelli and Pena.

  13. 108 stitches November 29th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Very insightful thread Chad. It’s amazing how some deals can evolve into others. It lends credence to how a team’s roster can change after spring training has ended.
    It’s also why scouts must constantly keep their eyes open for what may seem as insignificant deals that turn into filling needs at all levels.

  14. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Chad, great post – I love the recap. Cash is a shrewd operator, for sure (and, oh yeah, I want Hairston back).

  15. Erica - always OPPC November 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Those who are bored, put on HBO and watch the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Concert. Amazing show!

  16. Christina: Pictures from the Yankees Parade November 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    If only I had HBO. Guess its time for me to get with the trend or whatever the saying is.

  17. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Erica, I’m watching it now! Where were you sitting, I’ll keep an eye out for you. lol ;)

  18. Erica - always OPPC November 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Erin
    November 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    Erica, I’m watching it now! Where were you sitting, I’ll keep an eye out for you. lol
    *******

    Erin, I don’t think the camera reaches the height I was sitting. LOL. If you are standing on the stage facing the audience, I’d be to your left on the side of the stage but like 4 rows from the top of the Garden

  19. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    “Do we want to trust this methuselah of sharks when we have up and coming great whites?”

    Good point.

  20. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Erica, Brings back the entire night of great sounds and excitement

  21. squidward November 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    “boston will either give Lester an $17+ million per year, 4 or 5 extension, or he walks. He has to be paid more than AJ folks. He’s arguably better than AJ”

    From last thread. You talking about Lester or Beckett? No argument. Lester is definitely better than AJ. But he’s already signed thru 2014. Beckett is the issue. Beckett’s 31 in May. In his four seasons with Boston, he’s averaged 16 wins, but also has averaged less than 200 IP and posted a 4.05 ERA. That doesn’t scream Sabathia like contract and the powers that be up there do know that. He can change things to some degree by being otherworldy for 220 innings in 2010, but chances are Boston is letting him go after next year because they’ll want no part of contract demands that will likely be unusual. They may go Burnett numbers on him (AJ has averaged 13 wins with a 3.97 in his part for years in the AL East) but they won’t come near Sabathia/likely Halladay numbers. Not sure anyone will.

  22. squidward November 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    part for years = past foUr years.

    Beer > me

  23. NH Yankee fan November 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    What Dylan albums did you go with?

    My favorites are Blonde on Blonde and Blood on the Tracks. I have seen Bob 16 times live mostly going back to the mid-eighties thru early nineties.

    Saw some great shows and always had a great time.

    Thanks for the trade recap. I am looking forward to see what Cash has in store for us this offseason. I am hoping for a trade w/ Detroit for Granderson and possibly Jackson.

    I also would like to see Sheets and Ducherere?? brought on board.

  24. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Saw Dylan for the first time @ The Bangladesh Concerts…

  25. squidward November 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    “I also would like to see Sheets and Ducherere?? brought on board.”

    I would have to think that Sheets will be a tough get for the Yankees unless they guarantee him a spot in the rotation. He’s likely to get a one year deal during which he’ll pitch for his next long term contract. If the Yankees are heading into ’10 with 6-7 starters, he’s not locked into that shot. I think he ends up in Texas.

  26. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    I see The Importance of Being Earnest is on.

    Sadly, I missed the “handbag” moment.

  27. Chad Jennings November 29th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Erica, I’m watching the Hall of Fame show on HBO and I feel like my whole day has been leading up to this. I remember seeing the setlists the morning after the show and being very jealous of anyone who was there. That list now includes you!

    As for my Dylan choices, I started with John Wesley Harding, then went to the Tell Tale Signs bootleg, then listened to a little bit of Highway 61. My favorite, though, remains Bringing It All Back Home.

  28. Blake November 29th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    I don’t see why they wouldn’t guarantee Sheets a spot in the rotation. If he’s healthy you could argue he’d be the second best pitcher on the team. He’s probably not as good as “good AJ” but he’s much better than “bad AJ”.

    Sheets has dominant stuff, throws strikes, and likes to go deep into games.

  29. Erica - always OPPC November 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Chad Jennings
    November 29th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    Erica, I’m watching the Hall of Fame show on HBO and I feel like my whole day has been leading up to this. I remember seeing the setlists the morning after the show and being very jealous of anyone who was there. That list now includes you!

    *******

    Thanks Chad!!!! I can’t wait for the full DVD of this show to come back. I am not jealous of the people at HBO who had to figure out who to edit 10+ hours of concert into 4.

    My only regret is that I had to leave as Bruce and Billy were performing cause I never expected the show to still be rocking at 1:25am.

  30. m1kew November 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Interesting to see these moves all in one place. Thanks for posting this.

  31. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Chad, since you brought up PJ Pilittere, what is NY’s plans for him? I realize that he’s Rule 5 eligible and 28 years old, but almost zero AAA time, but, if he gets through the Draft, are they going to offer him a player-coach job? I realize he still wants to play, but, seems as though unless NYY has a catastrophic injury, he’s not going to make NYY.

    He just seemed to have stalled out offensively. Not much power, not a high enough average. There has always been something about him that screams “good coach”. He works hard, good defensively, intelligent and apparently has never complained about his situation. In other words, a perfect organization guy. He seems like a good mentor for Romine and Montero.

  32. The Sports Show Live November 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Genius work and analysis..

  33. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Dylan hasn’t made a bad alblum, but, “Self Portait” and “Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid” share number one as far as I’m concerned.

  34. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    ***Self Portrait***

  35. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    This post is awesome.

  36. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    I wonder if any of the free agents will be offered arbitration. My guess is that Damon is the only possibility.

  37. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Any of you guys recognize this picture? I 4 wheeled in last spring to take the shot.

    http://i378.photobucket.com/al.....CN0027.jpg

  38. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Big Pink?

  39. Erica - always OPPC November 29th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Pat M.
    November 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    Erica, Brings back the entire night of great sounds and excitement

    *******

    I wonder why they flipped Stevie Wonder and S&G. I wonder if its because of what you originally said (which i agree 100% with) that G&G stole the show

  40. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “Any of you guys recognize this picture? I 4 wheeled in last spring to take the shot.”

    Location shot for Silence of the Lambs?

  41. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    “Big Pink?”

    Oh wow. I was being funny and missed the Dylan theme. But I bet it is… very cool if it is.

  42. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Big Pink it is.

  43. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    http://bigpinkbasement.com/Big.....lcome.html

  44. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue
    November 29th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    Any of you guys recognize this picture? I 4 wheeled in last spring to take the shot.

    http://i378.photobucket.com/al…..CN0027.jpg

    ————————————————————

    Isn’t that the house that Carl Pavano hid out in for four years?

  45. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    If the walls could only talk.

  46. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    “If the walls could only talk.”

    It would sound like a bunch of musicians tuning and laughing and downing beers and red wine and firing up some, um, “funny cigarettes” and then trying to get serious and then just letting it rip and having a blast.

    http://www.landyvision.com/Sli.....ce/233.htm

  47. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Erica, I too had to leave as Bruce & Billy were singing Born to Run, as I had to get to Grand Centeral to catch the last train to Pelham

  48. pat November 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Vallejo honors CC

    http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_13890197

  49. harmony November 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    For what it’s worth, in his first year Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik made 10 trades involving at least one player on each side (no straight cash deals):

    http://prospectinsider.com/view/outside-the-box…-or-not/

    Mariner fans are excited about the prospects this offseason.

  50. vin November 29th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Excellent post, Chad. You’ve been doing a fine job, as expected.

  51. Chad Jennings November 29th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Based on last year, I’d say the Yankees have no plans for Pilittere. He was on the phantom DL much of the year and never really given a chance to play in Triple-A. Eventually he was sent back to Trenton, where he’s been awfully good for two years. My guess is that he’ll backup in Triple-A this season and then happily become a free agent. I can’t imagine the Yankees offering him a player/coach job, and I certainly can’t imagine him accepting such an offer.

    A picture of Big Pink! That’s outstanding work.

    Simon and Garfunkel brought the house down! So did Annie Lennox, which I didn’t really expect. I’m with you, Erica. I can’t wait for this whole thing to be released on DVD. That will be the week the blog goes silent!

  52. Scott McCay November 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Although the Swisher-Betemit trade was in late 2008, shouldn’t it have been part of your evaluation… It was, of course, the trade of the year and probably one of the best pure baeball moves of Cashman’s career.

  53. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Thanks for the input, Chad. I was looking at the fact that Pilittere’s progress has pretty much stalled out and, if there’s one thing the organization needs, it’s a few more coaches at the AA and lower levels…especially catching and infield instructors.

  54. Vader November 29th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Regarding the HBO special…Metallica closed with Enter Sandman and they had a video montage of Mo for the first few rifts…really cool.

  55. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! Kate Hudson is what dreams are made of!) November 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    There is a god! Finally the worst coach in the NBA! was finally canned tonight. Happy Holidays Lawrence, but we all knew this day was coming.

    Now, Byron Scott or Mark Jackson should get the call for the rest of the season.

  56. Phil November 29th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Blonde on Blonde, Bringing it All Back Home, and Highway 61 Revisited are my favorite Dylan Albums, but he made a ton of great ones.

  57. down with prospect huggers November 29th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    chad you could have used Dave Cash, Norm Cash or Don Money to continue the “cash” joke..

  58. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Article :Johnny Damon needs the New York Yankees,more than they need him. by Joseph Del Grippo

    http://www.bleacherreport.com/mlb

    Pg2 IS OFF THE HOOK,with info. Damon needs to side step Boras,like Alex did. A great read.

  59. gfd November 29th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Damon enjoy27…think 28

    The bleacherreport was a great read,he really lays out a good argument about Johnny never in his career being in the top 10 votes for MVP.
    Also Damon’s stats aren’t good enough for the HOF.
    So many facts laid out in the article that Damon better come to his senses and soon.

    Thank you!

  60. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Damon’s about 3 and a half years short of 3,000 hits. Add 1700 runs scored, 1200 RBI over 100 triples and well over 500 doubles. He’d walk into the HOF.

  61. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    I don’t think Damon is going to be back…..I’m torn. I want him back because I would miss him if he’s gone, but I don’t want the Yankees to go more than 1 year and a team option for a 2nd. I don’t think he’s got all that much left in him and, whether it’s 2010 or 2011, the Yankees have got to get younger.

  62. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    GB
    He’s crazy to go to SF,OR CWS because of money.

  63. Buddy Biancalana November 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    This is great, Bob Sheppard Tribute

    via River Ave Blues & Sliding into Home.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

  64. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Players hire Boras for a reason.

  65. gfd November 29th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Pretty soon baseball won’t be able to afford Boras’ clients!!

  66. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Damon’s not likely to go to SF. That park would kill him. I could easily see the White Sox or the Cubs, though.

  67. Betsy - high on pie November 30th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    True, Rich…..but Damon is still the boss. Hey, if he chooses $$ and length of contract over being with a team he genuinely loves and wants to return to, then I hope for his sake he doesn’t eventually have any regrets (I imagine he would, though).

  68. Phil November 30th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Where would the Cubs put Soriano?

  69. Charlie November 30th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    Somewhere Steve Lombardi reads this post and weeps.

  70. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Betsy,

    You’re right, he is the principal (I have made a similar point myself on a number of boards over the years), but like most players, he probably defers to his agent’s judgment, and perhaps in part because of Boras, he likely views contract size as an proxy for his status in the game.

    So when a team fails to offer a player the contract that he thinks he deserves, the player often takes it as a sign of disrespect.

    Anyway, I am very interested to see if the Yankees offer Damon arbitration.

  71. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    Both Chicago teams need a corner outfiels and a #1 or #2 hitter, and one with power and speed. With the Sox, they could move Quentin to right and Damon to left or DH one of them. The Cubs have the same need as the Sox. It’s a matter of moving who to where. Overall, though, the Soxmake the most sense.

  72. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 12:30 am

    Charlie

    Somewhere Steve Lombardi reads this post and weeps.
    ___

    The Cashman hate?

  73. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Great post. The little moves add up over the course of a season, more than we realize.

    Squid, you’re correct, I did mean Beckett, not Lester. Thanks for catching that.

    I wouldn’t mind Hairston and Hinske back to shore up the bench. Hinske has power, and can play LF or RF, 3B and 1B. Hairston has speed, and can play OF including CF, as well as 3B, SS, and 2B. Pena is great defensively, and can play 3B, SS, and 2B. And of course Cervelli is a good defensive backup Catcher.

    Chances are though, as someone here pointed out to me a couple days ago, that Pena takes Hairston’s place. I’d keep him due to his versatility. The Yankees have been enamored with Mark DeRosa and Mark Loretta the past couple offseasons, but both would be just as expensive as Hairston, slower, and less versitile IMO.

  74. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    If Damon is offered arbitration, and accepts, he would get more than $13 million for next season. Depending on his performance, and the economy, he could conceivably do better in Free Agency next year.

    The question is will he accept? If he were to decline, then any team to sign him would have to owe the Yankees a draft pick, and that could hurt his chances at a major contract.

    Its going to be an interesting week.

  75. haiku-man November 30th, 2009 at 12:59 am

    Can’t wait to see what Cashman’s offer is to Damon,and his response.That bleacherreport got me to rethink what Damon’s true motivation colud be money or legacy!

  76. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Since Damon’s best fits are the White Sox, Mets and Cubs, only the Cubs would give up their first pick.

  77. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 1:07 am

    Correction. None of these three logical teams would give up a first round pick. All have protected picks.

  78. gfd November 30th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Damon with the Cubs watching the Yankees on tv in postseason,defending their title,sounds good to me.Let the Mercenary count his money!!

  79. Pat M. November 30th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    If the intent is to have Jackson to become the everyday leftfielder in 2 years, then re-upping with Damon would work…..I for one think it’s time to move forward…Granderson in CF, Melky to right, Swisher to left….The other issue is replacing Matsui in the 5 hole….That in my opinion is going to be a main concern & I don’t feel real comfortable with Jorge in that spot…..Losing Mats really weakens the lineup from 5 thru 9 and it leaves Alex naked……

  80. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 5:37 am

    PAT M, it’s going to be a tough choice to make, chosing between Matsui and Damon. It’s tough because Damon is the more useful player and Matsui is the more important bat. I flip flop between them constantly. I can only imagine what Cashman and the deciding voices are going through.

  81. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! November 30th, 2009 at 5:45 am

    is it too early to guess who nyy loses in the rule V draft? i’ll go with curtis, kroenke and whelan.

  82. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 6:11 am

    “Granderson in CF, Melky to right, Swisher to left….The other issue is replacing Matsui in the 5 hole….”

    Melky doesn’t hit enough to be an every day RFer, and we don’t know if Detroit would trade Granderson at a reasonable price.

  83. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 6:14 am

    If Granderson is traded at a reasonable price, I might go Granderson in LF, Gardner in CF, and Swisher in RF. Granderson’s defense in CF has declined over the last two seasons, so he might be better in LF, and Gardner is a superb CF whose offense was league average until he got hurt.

  84. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Gardner is not a “superb CF. actually, he’s fairly average, between taking bad routes, poor arm and inability to go back on the ball. He does go to his left and right quite well, though. Please don’t gag everyone with the UZR BS. That’s hardly the “be all and end all”.

  85. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Just because you hate stats, it doesn’t make them BS.

    You really should try to post in a less angry and personal way.

    By way of comparison, Bernie took bad routes to balls, had bad instincts, and often got bad jumps. Yet he was often able to compensate for those shortcomings with his speed. Gardner is faster, gets better jumps, and has better instincts.

    The question is how much will he hit.

    Anyway, I stand by my post. By observation and stats Gardner can be a superb CF.

  86. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    There’s a Hell of a lot of dufference between “is” and “can be”. Since I don’t have any anger, I don’t know what you’re talking about and neither do you. When you become a doctor of psychology, let me know.

  87. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 8:04 am

    ***difference***

  88. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 8:10 am

    I am referring to this sentence: “Please don’t gag everyone with the UZR BS”. I think that phrase is unhelpful.

    If misperceived anger, my bad. I am trained in psych, but it doesn’t matter.

    Either way, it’s an internet discussion about baseball. I don’t take it very seriously.

    I’ll rephrase: I think he is a very good defensive CF. But if he doesn’t hit, it doesn’t matter how good he is.

  89. Iconoclast November 30th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Just to show how old some us faithful blog readers/infrequent posters are, my SECOND Dylan concert was the infamous Forest Hills Concert in 1965 (even GB7 must be younger than me!)

    As for these new fangled stats, heck, I was lost with the stuff that they used to put on the back of baseball cards. I do find the new stats VERY interesting and useful but, a little like the more famous old timer on this board, I think there are definitely qualities hidden in the numbers but obvious to the trained eye!

    Enjoy reading you all and looking forward to the Hot Stove heating up!

  90. Betsy - high on pie November 30th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    No way is Gardner an everday player. I don’t think he’s at all superb defensively but, more importantly, he can not hit a lick. He’s nothing more than a PR/spare OF).

    Pat M, it’s easy to say just get Granderson, but it’s not like he’s a FA. For all we know, the Tigers would ask an arm and a leg from the Yankees…….

  91. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Gardner hit Pre AS:

    .282/.352/.404/.756

    AL league average for a CF this season was:

    .267/.338/.442 /.780

    That provides a reasonable basis to think that Gardner may be able to hit like a league average CF.

  92. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    Actually I made a transcription error. An AL league average CF hit:

    .265/.329/.403/.732

    So at the break, Gardner hit better than a league average CF.

  93. Betsy - high on pie November 30th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Fluke, Rich……..too small a sample size.

  94. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Probably the best way to acquire Granderson for less than stellar minor league talent is to take on one of their uglier contracts (not Willis). A one year hit on Ordonez would hurt, but, he’d also give NYY a bat behind Rodriguez. The cost would be 21 mil for 2010 and a buyout. I’d prefer Jackson and Inge instead of Ordonez, though.

    Inge could be turned for minor league talent and Jackson for the rotation. Send Nunez, Curtis, Gardner, and Nova to Detroit. Is it the best thing? Depends on how you look at it. If you deduct Damon, and Matsui’s contracts, it’s almost a break even deal. That allows Detroit to keep Cabrera

  95. Mark in Tampa November 30th, 2009 at 8:41 am

    Rich in NJ,

    I would tend to agree with you, but I think his chances to be an everyday player are going to be limited with the Yankees. The reason: power, or lack thereof. Rightly or wrongly, if he can’t hit 15+ HRs, I think the Yankees would always be searching for his replacement. Also, Ajax will be the everyday CF once he is ready, regardless of what Gardner is doing. Or Melky.

  96. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    That’s possible, Betsy, but not a certainty.

    Mark, Even if AJack ultimately replaces him (although his ability to hit 15+ HR remains to be proven), Gardner could still be their CF this season, and possibly raise his trade value.

  97. Mark in Tampa November 30th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    I did think, and stated before the season, that it would have been great to see Gardner show that he could be a replacement for Damon in the leadoff spot. I said that, of course, before they flip-flopped him and Jeter.

    But, I thought that if Gardner could how the ability to handle ML pitching, and take the reins, that the Yankees could afford to let Damon walk and have Gardner in the outfield at least as a stopgap until Ajax was ready. However, I don’t think Gardner showed enough last year to give anybody confidence that he is any kind of replacement for Damon. He still frequently looks overmatched in all phases of the game, and the Yankees are left looking for a legit big league outfielder.

  98. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am

    You’re right. He can’t replace Damon’s offense.

  99. Mark in Tampa November 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    I think, and most scouts seem to think, that Ajax has the power, it is just a matter of time until he unlocks it. Gardner is what he is, there is nothing wrong with that.

    It’s just that Ajax has the kind of ability to be maybe Torii Hunter if he max’s out, or maybe Gary Matthews Jr if he doesn’t. Gardner’s peak may be Mickey Rivers-type. Nothing wrong with that, the Yankees won 2 WS with him in center, just depends on what you are looking for.

  100. Patrick from CT November 30th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    GREAT POST CHAD!

    When are the Winter Meetings?

    All this talk about Granderson is blue sky IMHO. He would be an upgrade over any outfielder on the team however.
    No way the Yankees go into the season with both Gardy and Melky in the same starting OF.

  101. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Jackson is not an offensive version of Hunter and he doesn’t need to be. He’s more of a right handed version of Damon. He’s not going to be a 25 homer type hitter.

    The best Gardner could ever be is a lower rated version of Brett Butler, if he ever figures out that he’s not a power hitter. Those three early home runs were the worst thing that ever happened to him.

  102. Mark in Tampa November 30th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    I did say he could be that if he reaches every bit of his potential, but I don’t necessarily mean he would be a clone of Hunter. I don’t think it is unreasonable to think Ajax could average 18-25 HRs, which is less than Hunter, and reach Hunter’s 801 career OPS. If everything goes right for him.

  103. JohnC November 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Thw Winter Meetings begin next Monday and last through next Thursday.

  104. John November 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Great post, Chad. Not sure if ALL of the trades worked in the Yankees’ favor, but certainly a nice summary of the year’s moves.

  105. Yeah December 1st, 2009 at 4:31 am

    Guzman > Gardner.

  106. Kenny December 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Nice, a big Dylan fan!


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