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Sportsman of the Year announced tomorrow

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On Monday, Sports Illustrated will announce its Sportsman of the Year. The decision has become relevant around here because of a brief, vague report on Gawker saying Derek Jeter will be the choice. It’s hard to put a ton of faith into a two-sentence story that’s based on a email, but it makes some sense.

Usain Bolt, Jimmie Johnson and Tim Tebow stand out to me as strong candidates, but Jeter would be a nice choice. In a sport that’s seen its share of negative stories for the past decade or so, Jeter remains an absolute positive. Outside of Boston, he seems to be a player who’s generally liked and respected throughout the country, and this season was one of his personal bests. And, of course, it ended with a championship.

If I may add one other Yankee to the list of candidates, what about Alex Rodriguez? I’d probably rather see Jeter get the honor, but Rodriguez seems emblematic of how far an athlete can fall and how high he can rise in the span of a single year. I think he’d be an interesting choice.

 
 

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154 Responses to “Sportsman of the Year announced tomorrow”

  1. Tala08 November 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    SI would certainly get a lot of attention for an Arod choice. That would be the most attention that magazine has had since…Arod.

    But like you, if its going to be a Yankee I’d love to see Jeter get it.

  2. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Usain Bolt gets my vote. Unbelievable and effortless speed. I wish I had 1/3 his ability when I used to run track.

  3. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Re: Alex – Yes, that would be a very interesting choice, indeed. Especially since it’s from SI – isn’t that where the Selena Roberts’ work first came out? It would be ironic, no?

  4. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    The sad truth of our society is that they would take more heat for naming Arod Sportsman of the Year than Time did for naming Khomeini Man of the Year in 1979, or for considering bin Laden in 2001.

  5. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Usain Bolt? That was 2008.

  6. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    No Yankee has ever won the accolade.

    I would love to see Mariano win it some time, but I don’t think they’ll ever give it to a closer

  7. Carl November 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Usain Bolt? That was 2008.

    He broke 2 world records this year.

  8. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Most decent Red Sox fans don’t “hate” Jeter – they hate him as a player on the Yankees, but he’s a hard guy to hate personally. If this is true, I love it because half the SI subsribers in this country would probably tear up their issue.

    CC is also a candidate as I hear it, but I’m rooting hard for Jeter. He not only had an oustanding year, but he does a lot of charitable work via his foundation. He’s respected throughout the game for his competitive attitude and his demeanor – I don’t think he has ever disrespected an opponent. In today’s sports arena, that’s hard to say about anyone.

  9. Erica - always OPPC November 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    November 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
    The sad truth of our society is that they would take more heat for naming Arod Sportsman of the Year than Time did for naming Khomeini Man of the Year in 1979, or for considering bin Laden in 2001.

    *******

    I still get chills when I think about his last at bat of the regular season. Coming to the plate needing one more HR and 4 RBIs for 30/100… and hitting a grand slam. You can’t script that

  10. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    ‘He broke 2 world records this year.”

    And nobody, including me obviously, knows about it. His best case for SOTY was in 2008.

  11. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I would laught if Tebow, Johnson or Bolt won it – but SI is a joke half the time, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Francesca said on his show recently that he heard Jeter won it, so I suspect this is true (where there’s smoke, there’s fire).

  12. Matt November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    If John Henry is dumb enough to empty out an already thin Boston farm system ……….. by all means let him do it. Beckett would be furious knowing that he’s no longer the No. 1 starter in Boston and Halladay will be getting a contract Beckett will never get when he’s a free agent after 2010.

  13. Tala08 November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    “The sad truth of our society is that they would take more heat for naming Arod Sportsman of the Year than Time did for naming Khomeini Man of the Year in 1979, or for considering bin Laden in 2001.”

    These “honors” (like lists) are meant to do nothing more than generate attention and, in the end, profit.

  14. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Jeter is a very nice choice-I hope it’s true that he won.

  15. Vader November 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Mark/Erin Thanks.

    Erin can you tell me if you have cable or Directv?

  16. Abdababdaserser November 29th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Mariano would be more like the Sportsman of the Decade, not the year.

    Its funny, but I agreed with Time for Khomeini being the Time Man of the Year and even thinking of Osama. It is meant to be the most influential person of that year, not necessarily for them to be a positive influence on the world.

    Alex would be a braver, less vanilla choice given all he had gone through. Its a more compelling story line, but Jeter would be a fine choice as well.

    Jimmy Johnson is another that probably has a strong chance.

    Maybe Tiger can be brought in at the last minute to “crash the party”. lol.

  17. m November 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    3 things that don’t add up (or pass pat’s “sniff test”):

    1. The back windshield?
    2. Weren’t we all taught not to move an accident victim?
    3. Chad’s suggestion of A-rod for SoY.

  18. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Vader
    November 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    Mark/Erin Thanks.

    Erin can you tell me if you have cable or Directv?

    **************
    I have cable

  19. MaineYankee November 29th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Erin

    Do you use Direct-TV for your MLB package?

    The reason I ask is because I do and had to get a new receiver to get the MY9 games. The receiver I had been using was out dated.

  20. NYY626 November 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    I hope Jeter wins so we can read the countless articles from the haters :roll: He had a great year, and you know if he wins it he will accept the award as a spokesperson for the entire team.

    On an unrelated note, I saw The Blind Side last night. What a GREAT movie! It made me laugh and it made me cry. I highly recommend that everyone sees it.

  21. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    m,

    The back windshield didn’t add up to me either, but what I have read today said the “back seat windows”, which makes more sense if the car is locked and you are trying to get somebody out.

    CBS:
    Montes has said Woods is not required to give a statement, only his driver’s license, insurance and registration of the SUV, which was towed to a private yard with damage to the front and both back-seat windows broken.

  22. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    MaineYankee
    November 29th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
    Erin

    Do you use Direct-TV for your MLB package

    ***********************
    No, I have cable.
    With Direct-TV you get to choose which broadcast you want to watch, right?

  23. R November 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I grew up in Massachusetts and can attest to knowing more than one Boston fan who begrudgingly admits that Jeter, despite being the arch-Yankee, is their favorite player simply because of the way he goes about his business on the field. That says something.

  24. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Actually, my cable here in Florida offers YES and YESHD for $3.99/month, but they black out the Yankee games, so I didn’t opt for it.

  25. MaineYankee November 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Erin

    Yes. Most games I get both feeds. I think Toronto and the Angels are the only ones I don’t get.

  26. NYY626 November 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    # R November 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I grew up in Massachusetts and can attest to knowing more than one Boston fan who begrudgingly admits that Jeter, despite being the arch-Yankee, is their favorite player simply because of the way he goes about his business on the field. That says something.
    _________________________________________________________________
    I know a sox fan that admitted to crying to when Jeter broke the hit record….

  27. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    -Betsy is there such a thing as a Decent sawx fan,do tell?

    Also the movie with the Shark/Octopus how did it turn out,hehehe?

  28. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    The fact that no Yankee has ever won SOTY award indicates that it is just another joke of an award or honor.

    Much like the MLB Hall of Fame, and the end of year awards.

  29. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    damon
    there are some decent Sox fans. ray (sox fan) on this board is an example.

  30. Prime November 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    I could see Jeter and Mo getting cheers at their last AB/appearance at Fenway. It’s a respect thing, playing some many games (and important ones) against the Red Sox for so many years. There really hasn’t been anything like it in the rivalry since the days of Mantle.

  31. CD November 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I’d really split a gut if Tiger won it. :P

    But it’s gotta go to Tebow. He’s on the verge of his 3rd NCAA national championship. Has that ever happened?

  32. Doris from Rego park November 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I have a friend at Time Inc and he confirmed Jeter. He said that it was almost A-Rod (Verducci was originally supposed to write about him) but the powers that be didnt want to make Selena Roberts look foolish.

  33. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    -Rebecca the early part of Nov,Mo was on the cover of SI,about the one man one pitch angle.It was a good article.

    Mo was the MVP of the WS really imo.He pitched more innings in a game and back to back games,way above his norm.Nobody notices the closers donation,until they blow a save.

  34. Phil November 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    If I was SI, the last thing I’d do now is take a track and field guy. They all cheat and it would only be embarrassing for the mag in a few years.

  35. JasonR November 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    “But it’s gotta go to Tebow. He’s on the verge of his 3rd NCAA national championship. Has that ever happened?”

    The BCS Championship isn’t until January though. That would be the SI Jinx of SI Jinxes if they gave the Sportsman to Tebow and Florida ended up blowing the championship game.

    In recent years, they’ve given the award to a respected athlete who was a part of a championship that year, so Jeter was the natural choice.

  36. Rishi November 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Doris from Rego park
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
    I have a friend at Time Inc and he confirmed Jeter. He said that it was almost A-Rod (Verducci was originally supposed to write about him) but the powers that be didnt want to make Selena Roberts look foolish.

    ====================================

    Ugh – why not…

  37. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Ok, let me understand this. Bolt is the Olympic record holder at the 100, 200 and 4×100 meter events. He is the World record holder at the 100 and 200 meter events, being the first man alive to hold both the Olympic records and World records at the same time, and he shouldn’t be considered?

    But if he were an American swimmer, we’d all be lauding him, right?

  38. vey November 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Phil
    Jackie Joyner-Kershee,and Carl Lewis were never involved in track/field cheating scandals,and never had medals taken away.

  39. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Maybe they should take away Sammy Sosa’s and Mark McGuire’s 1998 Sportsman of the Year Awards…

    What sport was that again??

  40. Phil November 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    vey,

    They never got caught.

  41. Count of Montefusco November 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    ARod for Sportsman if the Year? Whatever you guys are smoking I’d like some please.

    What did he do that was especially sportsmanlike? Stop juicing? Start behaving like a regular ballplayer? Dump Madonna?

    Sheesh. I mean he had a tremendous year and I’m as happy as I can be for the guy (and grateful, too) but some of you have set the bar extremely low.

  42. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Does that apply to the ballplayers too Phil? Good ole Americana…as long as you don’t get caught.

  43. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Rishi
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    Doris from Rego park
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
    I have a friend at Time Inc and he confirmed Jeter. He said that it was almost A-Rod (Verducci was originally supposed to write about him) but the powers that be didnt want to make Selena Roberts look foolish.

    ====================================

    Ugh – why not…
    ***************************
    Rishi, Roberts ends up looking foolish no matter what she does. ;)

  44. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    But that’s ok Phil:

    As a result of Bolt’s successes in athletics, he was named the Laureus World Sportsman of the Year for 2009.

    The selection process has two stages. First, a Selection Panel of the world’s leading sports editors, writers and broadcasters from over 80 countries votes to create a shortlist of six nominations in each category. The voting process is monitored by independent auditors PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. Then the members of the Laureus World Sports Academy vote by secret ballot to select the Award winners.

  45. Bo Knows November 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    I was on the field in Atlanta in 1996 with the Ukrainian team when Lewis was jumping a poor fourth. Took time out for half an hour and jumped for the medal. The buzz around the village was “American vitamins”. Coming from ex Soviet coaches with their histories, I thought that was hilarious. They assured me that steroids were passe. They wanted access to American vitamins.

  46. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Seems like SI’s award would just be icing on the cake.

  47. Rishi November 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Erin
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Rishi
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    Doris from Rego park
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
    I have a friend at Time Inc and he confirmed Jeter. He said that it was almost A-Rod (Verducci was originally supposed to write about him) but the powers that be didnt want to make Selena Roberts look foolish.

    ====================================

    Ugh – why not…
    ***************************
    Rishi, Roberts ends up looking foolish no matter what she does.
    ============================

    I agree :) plus, who cares about “how she looks”, has anyone even “seen” her since her big revalation? She’s too busy finding someone else to write a book about ;)

  48. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    From Nick Cafardo’s Sunday article:

    “Anyway, the Sox have bigger fish to fry with Jason Bay/Matt Holliday, Adrian Gonzalez/Miguel Cabrera and John Lackey/Roy Halladay.”

    Nick expects the Sox to get 3 of the above 6, on top of one of Scutaro/S. Drew/A. Everett.

    “Many baseball people feel Padres general manager Jed Hoyer would be crazy not to deal Gonzalez now, because he risks Gonzalez getting hurt this season and his value not being as high as it is right now. By the time the Padres are good, Gonzalez will be a $20-million-a-year player – completely out of the Padres’ price range – and by then, a big-market team like Boston may not need him.”

    ???? Crazy not to deal him. This is the arrogance that stings. Oh no, whereever will Gonzalez go? No team would be in the market for his services except Boston!

    “It’s up to Lowrie to demonstrate with conviction that he’s their guy. If not, he’ll be a trade chip…..”

    But if Lowrie fails, how can he be a trade chip still?

    “There’s no doubt he can still hit and will end up somewhere, with the Cardinals a good bet unless they opt for Mike Lowell (with the Sox picking up some of the contract). ”

    Why would the Cardinals want Mike Lowell unless you pick up 85% of his contract?

    __

    And the Sox are interested in or could get 9 other players.

  49. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Dear Nick

    Please remove the name of our organization from your sick fantasy list of teams that might take the albatross of Mike Lowell off your favorite team’s hands….even at half price.

    Sincerely

    The St. Louis Cardinals

  50. G. Love November 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Good post from the Tao of Stieb (blue jays fan) blog:

    ——————————

    “When did prospect p*rn become the baseball fan’s vice of choice?
    Regurgitating discussion from comment sections this week….but seriously, what’s up with the completely absurd fascination with unproven prospects – talented as they may be – who haven’t even advanced beyond the low minors?

    Honestly, if I read “No way I would give up (Casey Kelly, Jesus Montero, Ryan Westmoreland, Kyle Drabek, etc) for one year of a 32 year old pitcher” one more f**king time, I think I might just go on ahead and gouge my eyes out.

    There are so many things wrong with the reasoning behind this line of thought that I’m not even going to bother taking it down. Actually, yes I am:

    (1) That “32 year old pitcher” is one of the best (if I was biased, I’d say the best) in the game, he’s at his peak, he’s not declining, and nobody works harder. I understand, prospect fans, that you love to show just how clever and informed you are by touting your team’s “next big thing”….but in actuality, all you’re really proving is your ignorance by dismissing the greatness of Doc. Jesus, this makes me angry.

    (2) In all likelihood, you’re not getting one year of Doc, you’re getting a contract-extended Doc. Oh, and don’t worry about the goddamned payroll – you are all big market, free spending clubs. You’ll manage.

    (3) Your teams are involved in the discussions because they are built to win now. Prospect X, should he pan out, will be a guy who can help you win in 2 or 3 seasons. What, you have an aversion to winning today? You’d rather roll the dice on potentially being in the same position a few seasons down the road?

    (4) Please, Yankee/Red Sox/Phillies/Dodgers (to a lesser extent) fans, don’t insult our intelligence by clinging to the value of “cost controlled players”. Are you just trying to be cruel?

    (5) That player you’re touting as the next big thing? The guy you’ve never seen play, but can’t possibly bear to lose? He’ll be replaced in short order by the next guy on your team’s top-10 prospect list, or perhaps by the next high schooler who slips to the 6th round on signability concerns that your team drafts and “convinces” to bypass college.

    So there.”

  51. Bo Knows November 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    I think that the Yankees should sign Wang and Sheets to generous incentive contracts. If things go well options at the All Star break boggle the mind. This especially could restock OF prospects. Even if the Yankees picked up part of the contracts this would give them access to minor league stud players. They would be dealing with top flight product as opposed to someone like Chapman.

  52. 86w183 November 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    I probably wouldn’t vote for Alex. Ussain Bolt and Tim Tebow are the most remarkable athletes of 2009.

    Jimmy Johnson drives a car… do NOT confuse him with an athlete.

    But Count asks what Alex did the would warrant special “sportsman” consideration. Let me list a few things.

    1. Opening up about the steroid period of his athletic life and accepting responsibility for it. What other top athlete has done that in relation to PEDs? And don’t tell me he had to. He could have played the “DENY, DENY, DENY” game forever without there ever being adequate proof.

    2. Opting to put his long term health and risk by selecting a lesser hip surgery so as to be able to help his team for more of the season even though all his money was guaranteed. That was a very selfless act, and considering the Yankees 13-15 start perhaps crucial to this team’s success.

    3. Showing the poise and character of a champion by performing at a high level in the post season for the first time in his career.

    Again, I would not vote for him, but to suggest he’s done nothing to warrant consideration is not fair or accurate.

  53. 86w183 November 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Let me correct myself:

    It certainly was not the first time Alex performed well in the postseason in his career. It was the first in a long time and his first World Series. Lousy writing on my part.

  54. gfd November 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Would it be smart on the Yankees part to consider Posada for DH in 2010? Before you answer check out the link below.

    When the catcher(Cerevelli) needs a day off Posada could fill in.When in a NL park Posada could catch,so as to not miss his bat in the line up.
    Check out these metrics on Posada’s defensive play.He’s ranked the worst.Cerevelli works well with all the pitchers,and we know he can call a good game.He’s young and cheap.

    http://www.waswatching.com/200.....h-in-2010/

    For the record I really like Posada,and want him to play forever,but defensively he should DH,partime catch at this age.

  55. OldYanksFan November 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    “I would love to see Mariano win it some time, but I don’t think they’ll ever give it to a closer”

    And you will Becky, and they will… the year Mo retires.
    SI has a sense of history.
    When Mo goes, it will not just be a baseball player retiring, but rather, a legend. It will be great fodder for SI.

    And Bolt? I confess, I knew nothing about him. I see now he’s the fastst dude there is. Is that the whole story or is there more?

  56. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Damon, after the loser characters decided that it would be a good idea to lure the creatures to San Francisco Bay (so they could contain and not kill them – I wonder how they were going to do that), they decided to use the Thrilla in Manila as a template (in other words, let the shark and octopus go mano-a-mano and kill each other). On one of the message boards I read, someone made the point that in these types of battles, only one of the animals usually dies….not both. In any case, the octopous and shark seemed to both die at the same time with the former’s tentacles wrapped around the latter. The last shot of the film was of those two sinking into the ocean, together for eternity. It was very moving, lol

  57. David (In Seattle) November 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    “Also the movie with the Shark/Octopus how did it turn out,hehehe?”

    – Delicious! especially with some sliced ginger and wasabi.

  58. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Doris, is that true? First of all, if it is, that is gutless of SI….I happen to love Alex and Jeter, so either one would have been fine. I really hope SI chose Jeter on his own merits……..

  59. JasonR November 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    “And you will Becky, and they will… the year Mo retires.
    SI has a sense of history.
    When Mo goes, it will not just be a baseball player retiring, but rather, a legend. It will be great fodder for SI.”

    There is precedent for that too, when they gave Brett Favre the Sportsman of the Year in 2007 for no other reason other than they never gave it to him before.

    Of course, no one has the love affair with the media that Brett Favre has. But still.

  60. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    86w183
    November 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    3. Showing the poise and character of a champion by performing at a high level in the post season for the ***first time in his career.***

    Again, I would not vote for him, but to suggest he’s done nothing to warrant consideration is not fair or accurate.

    ————————————————————

    ***first time in his career.***

    So much for being fair or accurate.

  61. ray (sox fan) November 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    “CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)
    November 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
    damon
    there are some decent Sox fans. ray (sox fan) on this board is an example.”

    Hey thank you CR9.

    Even before I saw your post I was thinking that I would confess that I am a Sox fan that has a great deal of respect for Derek Jeter.

    I have stated on here more than once that when the Sox and Yankees are playing there is no player I fear more on the Yankees in a clutch situation than Jeter.

  62. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Is Nick Cafardo a moron? I’m sorry, but that quote about Gonzalez can apply to every single player in any sport – they are always one bad injury away from never being the same. He thinks the Sox are going to get Holliday or Bay, Lackey or Halladay and Gonzelz or Cabrera? Wow……

  63. vey November 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    -Phil
    they both to this day have no rumors about their playing days.
    Just YOU!!More debased gossiping eh? Sling that mud!

    -gfd
    Good article on Posada being the DH,wonder what the Yankees will do

  64. Wait till we do it all Over Again November 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    “When did prospect p*rn become the baseball fan’s vice of choice?
    Regurgitating discussion from comment sections this week….but seriously, what’s up with the completely absurd fascination with unproven prospects – talented as they may be – who haven’t even advanced beyond the low minors?

    You mean like the one Yankee prospect he mentioned, Jesus Montero? Yeah, he’s in double A. For Cervelli, that was 1 step from the majors. Not low A.

    Honestly, if I read “No way I would give up (Casey Kelly, Jesus Montero, Ryan Westmoreland, Kyle Drabek, etc) for one year of a 32 year old pitcher” one more f**king time, I think I might just go on ahead and gouge my eyes out.

    Or, you can disagree politely. That’s an option

    There are so many things wrong with the reasoning behind this line of thought that I’m not even going to bother taking it down. Actually, yes I am:

    (1) That “32 year old pitcher” is one of the best (if I was biased, I’d say the best) in the game, he’s at his peak, he’s not declining, and nobody works harder. I understand, prospect fans, that you love to show just how clever and informed you are by touting your team’s “next big thing”….but in actuality, all you’re really proving is your ignorance by dismissing the greatness of Doc. Jesus, this makes me angry.

    No, you’re spouting your ignorance by saying that we don’t know how great Doc is. We do. But the fact of the matter is, 32 is 32, and a contract for, say, four years goes into the late 30′s. Doc or no Doc, that’s the decline stage for pitchers. Sorry. And if we sign him for one year, we’re giving up a players entire CAREER for 1 year of Doc? Insanity.

    (2) In all likelihood, you’re not getting one year of Doc, you’re getting a contract-extended Doc. Oh, and don’t worry about the goddamned payroll – you are all big market, free spending clubs. You’ll manage.

    Yes, we’ll manage, but the fact is it WILL affect our spending in the future. And a contract extended Doc is still like only four years, and we’re giving up several players’ careers. Not worth it.

    (3) Your teams are involved in the discussions because they are built to win now. Prospect X, should he pan out, will be a guy who can help you win in 2 or 3 seasons. What, you have an aversion to winning today? You’d rather roll the dice on potentially being in the same position a few seasons down the road?

    No, I want to give myslef the best position to win EVERY year, not just this year.

    The Yankees especially, by virtue of being the Yankees, will never be uncompetitive. I’d rather have young, cost controlled players who can help us win for many years than 1 guy for four years who is entering the declining stage of his career. No, he hasn’t shown it yet. But the fact is, pitchers are not macines. The constant stress on the arm almost always takes its toll. Yes, there are notable exceptions. But they’re notable BECAUSE they’re exceptions.

    (4) Please, Yankee/Red Sox/Phillies/Dodgers (to a lesser extent) fans, don’t insult our intelligence by clinging to the value of “cost controlled players”. Are you just trying to be cruel?

    Please don’t insult OUR intelligence by suggesting that controlling costs would help EVERY club, even the rich ones.

    (5) That player you’re touting as the next big thing? The guy you’ve never seen play, but can’t possibly bear to lose? He’ll be replaced in short order by the next guy on your team’s top-10 prospect list, or perhaps by the next high schooler who slips to the 6th round on signability concerns that your team drafts and “convinces” to bypass college.

    Yes, but we’re only keeping them because the team thinks they’re the real deal. We may not actually see them ourselves, but thanks to advanced statistics we know how many line drives they hit, number of grounders, pop ups, strikeouts, home runs, slugging percentage, etc. And we know what our scouts say about them.

    So there.”

    So there to you back.

  65. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    I jumped the gun – CR, you misread Cafardo’s piece.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....?page=full

    He never said the Sox were going to get 3 out of those 6 players, just that they were in play for those guys.

  66. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Obviously the article was mostly Sox stuff…….. I found the comment about the Jays needing to get real interesting; that’s probably how the Yankees feel. Also, it’s amazing that the Braves spent all that time courting Burnett, then Lowe, and now they want to trade Lowe……..who didn’t have a good year in the weak NL. That will be a hard contract to move, no?

  67. m November 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    What’s wrong with giving it to a good sportsman? It’s not an mvp award and it’s SI’s award to give. Too much nitpicking.

  68. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Betsy, grrl

    You need to quit,that’s one jacked up flick!I’m still laughing at the trailer link. That one shot of the shark coming up to the plane was too much,I lost it! bwahahah

  69. Phil November 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    vey,

    There were rumors about Carl Lewis late in his career.

    And Cafardo is hilarious.

  70. Bo Knows November 29th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Olympics are big business. This is subsidized in a large part by the American media. Why? Because it’s big business for them too. We, as the American public mainly get our information from the American media. Disclaiming self serving and biased political machinations is naive.

  71. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Um, that post from Tao of Stieb is rather bitter – lol at Jays fans.

  72. ray (sox fan) November 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Houston Texans leading the undefeated Colts 20-7 at half time. Interesting.

    If Peyton Manning gets in a groove that lead could fall by the wayside.

  73. CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back) November 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Betsy

    He said “the Sox have bigger fish to fry” meaning they are in play for those guys.

    My interpretation of Nick is that those are 3 glaring needs of the Red Sox and will be doing everything they can to get 3 of those 6. That line indicates his hope or expectation that they will get 3 of those 6.

  74. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Damon, that clip was priceless, huh? I doubt I’ll ever watch another movie like that again – I’d rather watch a documentary on Megaladon (the truth is a lot more interesting).

  75. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    gfd
    great link on Posada being the DH in 2010.makes you think,and proves the argument thanks for the link above

  76. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    I love Jeter most of the time. I also like A-Rod, and this year was compelling, from an American Baseball Fan’s perspective. Jimmy Johnson, great skill at what he does, winning major NASCAR event after event. Teabow? No chance.

    Bolt is 23, comes from a small island in the Caribbean, population under 3 million, and starts breaking first junior Olympic, then Olympic and World records. Has 3 Olympic Golds (2008), 3 World Championship Golds (2009), 2 World Championship Silvers (2007), 1 World Junior Championship Gold (2002), 2 World Junior Championship Silvers (2002).

    He was breaking records while a teenager, and only turned professional in 2004. Not bad for a 23 year old kid. Now that’s realizing your potential, and he continues to impress.

    Yeah, I think that’s worthy of consideration.

  77. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    -Betsy
    any time you find a funny trailer like that please post it,I love a good laugh.

  78. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    FWIW, From ESPN:

    WINDERMERE, Fla. — Tiger Woods says the car crash that sent him to the hospital is his fault and has become embarrassing to him and his family, but he plans to keep it a private matter.

    In a statement posted Sunday on his Web site about an hour before he was to meet with troopers, Woods says his wife, Elin, acted “courageously” when she saw that he was hurt. He says any other assertion is “absolutely false.”

    Woods says he understands there is curiosity about the accident. He says the “malicious” rumors circulating about him and his family are irresponsible.

    The world’s No. 1 golfer says he has cuts and bruising and is “pretty sore.”

  79. m November 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Bolt is definitely worthy of consideration, and if he’s still dominating in 2012 he’ll likely get in a summer Olympic year.

    Jeter has so many qualities beyond his athletic “resurgence” like leadership and being a good ambassador in a game that sorely needs it, that he is more than qualified for the honor.

  80. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    http://web.tigerwoods.com/news.....6222/news/

  81. G. Love November 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    I thought it was a funny post. It was interesting to see what a Jays fan is thinking as their best homegrown pitcher in club history is about to sold to the highest bidder while the team “rebuilds”.

  82. ysatis November 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    gfd
    wow that link is an eye opener,I didn’t realize Posada’s numbers were so bad defensively.Who knew so many teams were successful running against him.

  83. Mark in Tampa November 29th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    DaSaint007,

    The Michael Johnson 200 meter race in Atlanta ’96 was the most amazing thing I had ever seen. It was the first time I could actually feel the speed while watching a human being run. But Usain Bolt’s races last year were beyond that.

    However, as I said earlier, whatever he has done this year has gone largely unnoticed. In this country at least. Maybe on the world stage, he has been the biggest star of this year. There are soccer players I have never heard of, who foreign sportswriters claim are the biggest athletes on the planet. If SI wants to appeal to a world audience, then maybe Bolt is the right choice. I think I am as well informed as most US sports fans, yet his accomplishments have only been blurbs on the American sports scene.

  84. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    m –

    I couldn’t agree more. I think that Jeet and Bolt are worth candidates, and either would be fine by me. Jeter, because he’s the epitome of sportsmanship and class as we;; as having one of the best overall years of his career, and Bolt, because of his gift of speed and the record’s he’s achieved in such a short time.

  85. Wait till we do it all Over Again November 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    That article was terrible. I just refuted all his points, and I didn’t even plan my arguements.

  86. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Hey if Favre can win it in 2007 for his ‘perseverance and passion’, Jeter should be a shoo in.

  87. m November 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    DaSaint,

    A lot of what goes into it is probably linked to what’s relevant at the time, and although the bubbly has long been wiped up the Yankees are still the toast of the town!

    Are you a Saints fan?

  88. Drive 4-5 November 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I seldon agree with Bill Madden, but including Lonn Trost in his list of turkeys is right on the money. Maybe it’s because yesterday I received my bill from the Yanks for renewing the horrible seats they relocated us to in the move. The Yankees screwed a lot of long time season ticket holders last year. Lonn Trost, this is for you:

    “The Yankees COO earned his turkey feathers by turning his pet project, the $1.5 billion new Yankee Stadium, into an arrogant monument for the rich by grossly overpricing the tickets and segregating the common fans in the upper deck far away from any decent food or concessions. But Trost’s most egregious offense was his misguided decision to move Monument Park from left to center field, where the wall had to be raised in front of it to protect the batters’ eyes. Now, the most beautiful and uniquely symbolic aspect of Yankee Stadium is the invisible Monument Cave.”

  89. haiku-man November 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    20-14 Houston Peyton better wake up,they could clench today!

  90. DonnaL November 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t think they’d give it to someone like Usain Bolt in a non-Olympic year. If he didn’t win it last year, he won’t win it this year.

    Hard to believe no Yankee has ever won. At least there have been 4 Yankees who won the AP Athlete of the Year award, none of them a surprise — DiMaggio in ’41, Mantle in ’56, Maris in ’61, and Guidry in ’78. Guidry also won the Sporting News Sportsman of the Year in ’78, as did Torre in ’96 and the Yankees as a team in ’99. The last two Yankees to win the Sporting News Baseball Player of the Year were Mattingly in ’85 and A-Rod in ’07.

    So at least the Yankees have won *some* of this type of award, even if they’ve been unfairly ignored by Sports Illustrated. I remember being unhappy when they gave Jack Nicklaus their award in ’78 (a career award, really) instead of Guidry.

  91. muffin stump November 29th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    surely the a-rod suggestion was a joke. an admitted steroid user, really?!

  92. Wait till we do it all Over Again November 29th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    You guys do know A-Rod is on the list of turkeys for SI, right?

  93. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Excellent article on MLB.com

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_mlb

    Key paragraph:
    Of the 171 players who declared for free agency according to the Major League Baseball Players Association’s official scrolls, only 16 are 30 years old or younger — and of them, only four have reached All-Star status.

  94. 86w183 November 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    GB 7

    You’re my turkey of the day. Post a snide shot at me AFTER I had already posted a correction? Try midol.

  95. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    m -

    No, not a Saints fan. Yankees, Knicks, Giants, and Track& Field in general.

    Bolt was surpassed in 2008 by Phelps, so no chance there.
    Anyway, back to Baseball. December 1st will be an important deadline that may reshape the offerings out there.

  96. ---.---.---. November 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    murphydog

    Free your mind of the smut,speculation on Tiger.Let it goooo Dawg!!

  97. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    86w183
    November 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    GB 7

    You’re my turkey of the day. Post a snide shot at me AFTER I had already posted a correction? Try midol.

    ————————————————————

    I posted that after I read it and BEFORE I read your correction. I’m not in the habit of reading everything and then going back to find something to respond to.

    If I wanted to make a snide remark, you’d know it.

  98. Mark-Cant Touch This November 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Sanchez :(

  99. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    —.—.—.

    Not sure there is anything to let go of. If you notice, I was posting a link to Tiger’s side of it. He cleared everything up for me so I’m satisfied.

  100. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Yes, the spirit of the holidays…

  101. ---.---.---. November 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Murphydog

    you exploited it on the previous thread to ad nausem.Glad you’ve satisfied to stop your witch hunt and gossip-mongering!!

  102. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    murphydog – I spent three years in DC, back in the 80s, at the height of the drug wars. As part of my training, I had to cover the ER as part of the trauma team. If you want to learn to be cynical, that is the place to be.

    I can’t tell you how many times a teen was wheeled into the ER, comatose, or shot, or both; and all his “friends” would steadfastly maintain, “Oh, no Doc, he don’t do no drugs”. Then we would give him narcan, the specific narcotic antidote, and the patient would invariably come to. (And when the drug screen came back positive, they would still deny their use of the drugs!)

    In certain jobs and environments, you get a special kind of cynicism towards your fellow man. Emergency medical workers, cops, trial attorneys…In a way it’s sad. But some grown ups are not the nicest people.

    And you’re right, there shouldn’t be two levels of justice, one for the rich and connected, and one for all others.

    Unfortunately, it’s the world we live in. But, as one of my favorite 20th century philosophers once said, we have to “do the right thing”. No matter how tough it is.

    I was going to say something about the Jets. How did I get onto this?

  103. blake November 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    So I was at Barnes and noble today and saw the 2009 edition of baseball prospectus. Have any of you seen the section in jeter. It basically trashes him, says he was selfish for playing hurt in 2008 and says he will barely get to 3000 hits and basically won’t be any good at all past 2010. Obviously it was written before the 2009 season….

  104. haiku-man November 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    35-20 Colts,they are the first to clench their division.
    11-0 unbelievable.20th straight division win.

  105. randy l. November 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    joe from long island-

    i’d say you’re just one solid poster sticking up for another solid poster in murphydog.

    the good thing about the —.—.—.’s of the blog is that they is they come and go.

    go is the operative word.

  106. randy l. November 29th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    “(Baseball prospectus) says he( jeter) was selfish for playing hurt in 2008 and says he will barely get to 3000 hits and basically won’t be any good at all past 2010. Obviously it was written before the 2009 season….”

    blake-

    baseball prospectus doesn’t seem to keep stats on their predictions.

    you know , their PTW percentage. they have OPS+,ERA+, VORP, etc, but no Predictions Totally Wrong (PTW)

    i find that kind of ironic.

  107. Noreaster November 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    randy l, I always appreciate those who keep track of how their predictions turn out. It’s easy to have an opinion, but it’s hard to be correct.

  108. blake November 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Randy, yea I was pretty shocked while reading it. I mean nobody could have predicted the year Jeter had but their write-up was extememly negative, almost malicious and really made no sense

  109. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    GLove, I appreciate your posting that…..I just found it funny how bitter that guy was. He probably wishes the team was in another division…….

    There is only one sportswriter I know that really dislikes Jeter and that’s Ken Davidoff – it comes through in every piece he writes.

  110. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Joe from Long Island……You solid…..

  111. Nick in SF in Pikesville, MD November 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    “Crouching Tiger, hidden hydrant” — London Times

  112. randy l. November 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    blake-

    i’m poking fun at BP and i do think they’ve done a lot of good work, just not as much as they think they have.

    jeter flies in the face of the stat community because of the intangibles.

    that’s my theory why they go after him so often. dewan has made a cottage industry out of targeting jeter defensively.

    it’s another intangible that he reinvented himself in 2009 and wound the clock back.

    jeter has that something inside that you can’t measure.

    ball player. yankee.

  113. Erin November 29th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Nick in SF in Pikesville, MD
    November 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
    “Crouching Tiger, hidden hydrant” — London Times

    **********************
    That’s hilarious :D

  114. blake November 29th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Randy, I know. I always think its funny how these nerds that cover baseball try to quantify everything and think that they can crunch numbers and determine who is the best player

    One thing I like and respect about the NFL is that they look at the stats but ultimately let their eyeballs decide who is the best. Baseball writers should take note of that

  115. Bo Knows November 29th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    ex RAB

    The Giants played on Turkey Day,
    ———————————
    Kind of sums it up, doesn’t it.

  116. Ham Fighters November 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    i say tiger was trying to get away and his wife came after him with the club and started smashing the windows of his SUV when he crashed. but thats their buisness, i dont really care, i wouldnt want everybody to know about some of the blowout fights i’ve had with various gf’s over the years.

    the one thing that gets me is…. a cadillac??!!?
    i dont care if it was free, he can afford any vehicle in the world and hes driving a cadillac?

  117. Pat M. November 29th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Hey, I have a Cadillac Escalade….Hellava lot better than a Range Rover,,,

  118. austinmac November 29th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    This week is finally the beginning of the active part of the off season. I sure am ready after debating the same trades and free agents for the past few weeks. It will be interesting to see who is offered arbitration. I was surprised it wasn’t offered to Abreau last year and I wonder about Damon this year. I assume no such offer to Matsui.

  119. Ham Fighters November 29th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    lets hope so b/c the cold stove has been beat so far

  120. blake November 29th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Range rogers look nice in the driveway but that’s about it… Escalades are about the nicest car that size.. That’s probably tigers family ride…

  121. Wait till we do it all Over Again November 29th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    This has been hell week for the Giants.

    Ah well, at least the Devils did well.

  122. Nick in SF in Pikesville, MD November 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I haven’t been able to check in with the blog much lately… has anyone considered the possibility that the Yanks might trade for Doc Halladay?

  123. Vader November 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Nick…good one

  124. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    I would be fine with Jeter getting it, but given Alex’s year of self-discovery and demon slaying, he would be an inspired choice.

  125. Steve November 29th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Ham-

    Caddy Escalades are HOT !.

  126. blake November 29th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    I know this blog and probably Yankee fans in general are split on the whole halladay thing but I can tell you this, if they trade for him and he doesn’t get hurt then the Yankees would be the overwhelming favorite next year and probably the year after that. With the Yankees resources that’s about as far out as I think matters..

  127. squidward November 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    “Caddy Escalades are HOT !.”

    Certainly any that appear in my neighborhood are.

  128. squidward November 29th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    “if they trade for him and he doesn’t get hurt then the Yankees would be the overwhelming favorite next year”

    They’d be a significant favorite if they don’t get him too.

  129. Steve November 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Blake-

    If the trade goes down. I’m sure a fair amount of Yankee fans will be ticked about losing the prospects. HOWEVER i’m sure once the K’s and Wins start racking up all will be forgiven. ( until playoff time )

  130. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    blake

    I know this blog and probably Yankee fans in general are split on the whole halladay thing but I can tell you this, if they trade for him and he doesn’t get hurt then the Yankees would be the overwhelming favorite next year and probably the year after that. With the Yankees resources that’s about as far out as I think matters..
    __

    That assumes that cost-controlled players like Joba, Hughes, and Montero are available on the open market every year, and that the payroll will continue to go out (given their pre-existing financial commitments). Both assumptions are probably false.

    It would also leave the Yankees in the lurch if one or more of their aging players got hurt, because they would have do conduct the search for replacements with little or no financial or roster flexibility.

    Additionally, every time you overpay for an asset in a trade, you are sending the message to every GM that you will always overpay, which is a slippery slope to disaster.

  131. blake November 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Rich, and you are assuming those prospects will amount to something.. They may or may not.

    I would have a different opinion on this if the Yankees farm system were in a different condition. The fact is that’s its strong and the yanks can afford to fill in holes as need be

  132. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    blake,

    I really don’t have to assume that. Both Joba and Hughes have already had a great deal of success on the ML level, and every single scout that has seen Montero believe that he is a once in a generation hitter. So even if if he didn’t become that good, he will almost certainly be a star.

    The Yankees’ farm system has depth. It doesn’t have much high end talent.

    Plus, you are ignoring the financial implications. They are already on the hook for $132 million for 2011. That doesn’t include Jeter, possibly Mo, and maybe even Damon if they give him a two year deal.

    http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html

    Add $20+ million for Hallday, and the payroll almost certainly has to go up unless you have young assets like Joba, Hughes, DRob, and Montero to offset the cost of high priced veterans.

    Halladay is worth AJack, McAllister, and maybe IPK. Nothing more.

  133. Laura • Bring back Matsui in 2010! November 29th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Who is hating on Caddys? GM has been doing a great job with that brand. The CTS drives almost as good as a BMW.

  134. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    I think a trade with Toronto is possible without including Hughes or Joba, only because the Yankee farm system is in pretty deep right now, compared to boston’s that is.

    boston has to offer Clay B, because their AAA and AA systems are pretty thin, whereas the Yankees arguably have the likes of Kennedy, Montero, Romine, and others. And frankly, I think that Gardner would be included in a trade over Jackson, if the likes of Kennedy and Romine were included.

    Kennedy, Gardner and Romine for Halladay + a 4 year contract extension? I’d do it in a minute. Melky is our starting CF anyway. boston would only be to counter with Ellisbury and Bucholz, creating a hole in CF and another in the rotation. Wouldn’t make sense for them, but would be fine for us, as much as we like Garner’s speed and grit.

  135. Carl November 29th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#

    Epic Yankee tribute

  136. blake November 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Rich, joba and Hughes haven’t really proven anything at the major league level other than,like other young players, they have shown flashes they they could be good one day. The chances that they develop into a Halladay are fairly remote.
    I would try and hang onto montero and Hughes but anybody else is fair game if it increases my chances at repeating next year

  137. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Blake, Joba and Hughes don’t have to turn into anything close to Doc – they just need to be good/very good for a long time and that’s very possible.

  138. blake November 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    betsy, ok let’s say joba and Hughes both turn into good major league starters. How do we know the Yankees will even have a championship caliber team when that time arrives. There is no guarantee that they will be able to help win any titles even if they do develop. The Yankees have a team now that’s good enough to win and I think that’s an important thing to consider. Adding another dominant #1 starter to this team would be huge..

    Which is better two great whites or a shark big enough to bite the golden gate bridge in half?

  139. haiku-man November 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Some how I missed this bit of info on Gammons blog Tues Nov,24.He says on his insider blog.

    -Joba and Phil will be as programmed starters,because it’s much easier to go to the pen,but tough going the other way.

    -David Robertson and Damaso Marte can pitch the 7th and 8th in front of Mariano.

    -Yankees won’t go after Lackey or Sheets.Another starter hasn’t been ruled out.

    -The feelings inside the Yankees offices is,there will be some payroll cutback,how much is unknown.
    (How would he know?)

    -Of course this is from sawx-loving Peter Gammons,don’t read too much into it!!

  140. Betsy - high on pie November 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Blake, Megaladon (which is what that mega-shark was based on) went extinct while the Great White Shark is still roaming the oceans……..

    I think there are very good arguments to be made for and against obtaining Doc, but I really do not think the Jays want to deal within the division. Regardless of what Anthopolous says, I believe it would take a blow-away deal to get him to trade Doc to NY. Already they want Montero and we know they like Phil (more than Joba)……..That’s not reasonable.

  141. blake November 29th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Betsy. I don’t think the Jays are going to get what they want. I don’t think the sox will deal Kelly and I don’t think the Yanks will deal Montero.. They will either have to lower their demands or lose halladay with nothing in return. Given thay the previous GM was fired at least partially because of overplaying his hand with halladay I think they will do everything possible to trade him… I think it comes down to whether they like Joba/Jackson enough to do the deal. I feel pretty confident that Roy will either be in NY or Boston next year

  142. blake November 29th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Betsy. I don’t think the Jays are going to get what they want. I don’t think the sox will deal Kelly and I don’t think the Yanks will deal Montero.. They will either have to lower their demands or lose halladay with nothing in return. Given thay the previous GM was fired at least partially because of overplaying his hand with halladay I think they will do everything possible to trade him… I think it comes down to whether they like Joba/Jackson enough to do the deal. I feel pretty confident that Roy will either be in NY or Boston next year

  143. Ham Fighters November 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    blah blah blah blah halladay, blah blah blah blah joba, blah blah blah blah hughes, blah blah blah blah potential,
    blah blah blah blah complete games, blah blah blah blah in the division, blah blah blah blah red socks

    that about sums up the last month of this blog

  144. blake November 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Ham, yea pretty much but this is a Yankees blog. What did u expect, gardening tips?

  145. Ham Fighters November 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    i know, im just bored to death and waiting for some baseball news. seems like the agents have pushed back the real hot stove league into january nowadays, nothing happens till after christmas it seems…

  146. ---.---.---. November 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    People who are bored are BORING. Stop expecting to be entertained !

  147. murphydog November 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    “Which is better two great whites or a shark big enough to bite the golden gate bridge in half?”

    Clearly I’d prefer to have two great whites.

    First, they are insurance to each other in case one gets injured – you don’t want to put all your eggs in one basket.

    Second, they are more maneuverable due to their smaller size.

    Third, since they can only pitch every five days, I’d rather go with two really strong competitors than one really dominant one who might only give you 5 innings due to conditioning (weight) issues.

  148. Neil November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Blake ;

    Take into account that Boston will have to use Buchholz and Kelly or no deal. Their already thin farm system takes a hit.
    Halladay’s salary will bump Beckett as the No. 1 starter and a very unhappy one if he’s relegated to a No. 3 starter which he would be if Francona is the percentage manager he’s always been by slotting lefthanded Jon Lester between Halladay and Beckett.
    Then there’s the salary problem. Beckett will make $5.75M less than Halladay in 2010 and will certainly walk after 2010 when he’s a free agent knowing that he’ll always be less than Halladay in Boston’s salary structure.

  149. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    boston will either give Lester an $17+ million per year, 4 or 5 extension, or he walks. He has to be paid more than AJ folks. He’s arguably better than AJ.

    boston will HAVE to give Halladay a $20+ million/year 3 or 4 year extension just to get him. They’re not renting him for a year while giving away a member of their starting rotation, never mind who else is included in the package. Theo is not that stupid.

    Can boston afford both at the top of their rotation? Probably. But signing Halladay at least gives them insurance in case Beckett walks, AND gives them a chance to have dominant pitching for at least 1 year (Halladay + Beckett + Lester).

    That rotation would compare favorably against CC + AJ + Pettitte. The Yankees would probably have the edge if Joba and Hughes rounded out the #4 and #5 slots vs. Wakefield + another reclamation FA or minor leaguer.

    If that’s the case, I think the Yankees pass on this one. The 2011 potential Free Agent pitching class includes Cliff Lee, Josh Beckett, Joe Blanton, Ted Lilly, and Brandon Webb.

    Pass I say, pass.

  150. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Personally I wish AJ has spoken to Halladay,and told him how great the Yankees treat their players,and for him to go to FA,like he did. Ok I’m dreaming,but you never know!

  151. Ham Fighters November 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    the yankees have the potential to become too old very fast. as much as i love halladay, sending out more young talent and bringing in another 30 something on a huge long term deal isnt very appealing. this team could turn into a $200M/year disaster in a very short time.

    i kinda feel like one of joba/phil is going to bust out next season and become a stud. which one? i dont know but if u trade the wrong one, you lose big-time. and if they both bust-out, the yankees are the pitching studs of the league for years to come.

    i say stay the course, all these young arms we’ve been nuturing for a few years now are ready to reap big rewards and although i understand those rewards can come in a trade, i think the better rewards will be a flowering farm system supplying great talent to the yankees, not the bj’s or anyone else.

  152. Rich in NJ November 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    blake

    Rich, joba and Hughes haven’t really proven anything at the major league level other than,like other young players, they have shown flashes they they could be good one day. The chances that they develop into a Halladay are fairly remote.

    I would try and hang onto montero and Hughes but anybody else is fair game if it increases my chances at repeating next year
    __

    At the very least, 90% of MLB teams would make Joba and Hughes their closer tomorrow.

    As for whether or not they could be Halladay, they aren’t being traded even up, but even if they were, they will have longer careers from this point forward, so their value is each a lot closer to Halladay’s than it might appear.

  153. Paterson NJ November 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    I would love to see both A-Rod and Jeter on the cover. This would show the world who the best team is. The Yankee’s.

  154. Elliot Davis November 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    ESPN NEW YORK — Derek Jeter posed in his crisp pinstripe uniform, resting a shiny black bat on his shoulder, while a photographer lying on the ground near the entrance to a Bronx subway station snapped pictures of the New York Yankees shortstop from a low angle.

    Jeter
    Photographing the Yankees captain from below to make him look more regal seemed beside the point. Jeter already has an image that is larger than life.

    Jeter was back at Yankee Stadium a couple of weeks after winning his fifth World Series title, capping a stellar season with a photo shoot for his latest achievement: Sports Illustrated’s Sportsman of the Year.

    The magazine made the announcement Monday.


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