Not a bad bonus (not a bad consolation prize either)
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Major League Baseball has announced the player shares for the 2009 postseason. Except for situations like Nick Adenhart, the names of players who get a full or partial shares are not released.
A full postseason share for the 2009 World Series Champion New York Yankees totaled a record $365,052.73, while a full share for the National League Champion Philadelphia Phillies amounted to $265,357.50, Major League Baseball announced today. The record full share for the World Series Champion Yankees eclipsed the previous mark of $362,173.07 per full share for the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, the American League Championship Series runners-up, voted a full share for the estate of Nick Adenhart.
The players’ pool, formed from 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series and 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship series and the World Series, was divided among 12 clubs: the World Series participants, the League Championship Series and Division Series runners-up, and the four regular season second-place clubs that were not Wild Card participants.
The club-by-club breakdown follows:
World Series Champions
New York Yankees (Share of Players’ Pool: $21,266,321.79; value of each full share: $365,052.73) – The Yankees awarded 46 full shares, 12.25 partial shares and 2 cash awards.
National League Champions
Philadelphia Phillies (Share of Players’ Pool: $14,177,547.86; value of each full share: $265,357.50) – The Phillies awarded 45 full shares, 8.35 partial shares and 3 cash awards.
League Championship Series Runners-Up
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (Share of Players’ Pool: $7,088,773.93; value of each full share: $138,038.51) – The Angels awarded 43 full shares, 7.995 partial shares and 14 cash awards.
Los Angeles Dodgers (Share of Players’ Pool: $7,088,773.93; value of each full share: $102,619.91) – The Dodgers awarded 59 full shares, 10 partial shares and 4 cash awards.
Division Series Runners-Up
Boston Red Sox (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,772,193.48; value of each full share: $28,263.28) – The Red Sox awarded 42 full shares, 17.839 partial shares and 64 cash awards.
Colorado Rockies (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,772,193.48; value of each full share: $32,141.43) – The Rockies awarded 41 full shares, 14.075 partial shares and 1 cash award.
Minnesota Twins (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,772,193.48; value of each full share: $37,993.26) – The Twins awarded 38 full shares, 7.5 partial shares and 20 cash awards.
St. Louis Cardinals (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,772,193.48; value of each full share: $29,446.60) – The Cardinals awarded 48 full shares, 10.18 partial shares and 10 cash awards.
Second-Place Finishers (Non-Wild Card Clubs)
Chicago Cubs (Share of Players’ Pool: $590,731.16; value of each full share: $8,261.97) – The Cubs awarded 58 full shares and 13.5 partial shares.
Detroit Tigers (Share of Players’ Pool: $590,731.16; value of each full share: $11,137.62) – The Tigers awarded 42 full shares, 9.33 partial shares and 11 cash awards.
Florida Marlins (Share of Players’ Pool: $590,731.16; value of each full share: $10,424.45) – The Marlins awarded 49 full shares, 7.28 partial shares and 7 cash awards.
Texas Rangers (Share of Players’ Pool: $590,731.16; value of each full share: $9,276.38) – The Rangers awarded 58 full shares, 5.25 partial shares and 4 cash awards.
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It’s annoying to me that the Cubs got money. What is the rationale for this?
Do we know who the Yankees voted to get the full and partial shares?
A half share is like two full shares to Edwar.
Nick: they finished second (see post)
sabes: they don’t release the names (see post)
I dont understand what’s going on here, at all.
What’s a share? Who votes on what? Who gets this money? So many questions.
Cubs NL Central were a 2nd place finisher in their division,thats how they got money
Very interesting.
I wonder who on the Yankees was awarded a full share. For some of the young guys that played very minor roles on the club that would be a nice bonus huh?
I think Nick was objecting on principle.
Pat M.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
GB, Fort Meters, I think the KC Royals played there..I’m certain because Frank White robbed me of a 9th inning hit there in a FSL game…..Talk about a really good 2nd sacker..Although I always though Willie Randolph was the better skilled ballplayer…..
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Yeah, the Royals played there years ago, then moved up to Haines City on US 27 to Baseball World.
Stop acting like you were picked on. Frank White wasn’t particular. He robbed everyone. He was like Lou Whitaker…the Ozzie Smiths of 2nd basemen. Writers never gave them much credit, but, other players and managers did. Along with Santo, Dawson, John, Kaat, Blyleven and Trammell, they should have been in the HOF years ago. A case could be made for Al Oliver, too.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Pat M.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Check that……….Fort Meyers….Man I know I’m 15 pounds overweight, but I didn’t realize that it’s all in my fingers…..
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That’s the advantage of having a dog or the twins here. I can blame them for the typos.
You know that all major league players also get a big check every year for merchandise, right?
GB, Santo & Dawson should be there a long time ago……Strong case for the others you mention……Al Oliver had a great swing, and I think Randy I worked out with him in the old Senior League……..Nick in SF, I may have missed this, but how well did you do on the Par 3 # 5 the other day…And then did you take a bogie 6 on the Par 5 ????
Yeah, I always had hoped that the Yanks could have gotten Oliver instead of him going to Texas. That guy could mash a baseball.
Does this $$ even mean anything to these guys? Alex made 32mil this year. Will he even notice it when the 365K gets deposited into his account?
Dawson and his career .323 OBP. Pass.
Brady and the Patriots not looking all that great tonight.
The Mets owe money.
Omar was voted a double share of the debt.
Phil
November 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Dawson and his career .323 OBP. Pass.
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Is that the only stat that you determine a HOF hitter on? I’ll send you some money to buy a clue.
Phil, You need to appreciate Dawson’s whole body of work…..Come on, he was a great ball player….Shame is his kness took a beating playing on the cement surface in Montreal….
I wonder how Boston’s 64 cash awards are set up. Seems like a lot of people to get cash awards…
Pat M.
He was a very good ball player, but he didn’t get on base enough. The most important thing a player can do is get on base, and when you have low OBP like that you’re costing your team too many outs. His career OPS+ is under 120, and I’m sorry but that a Hall of Fame OF does not make.
Tim Raines should be in the Hall of Fame, not Hawk Dawson. People gave Dawson an MVP when he was about the 20th most valuable player in the NL cause they liked him and didn’t understand stats, I’d hate to see them make the same mistake with his HoF candidacy.
Eric, gotta tip the ones who made Ortiz’s magic shakes so he could hit HRs again.
Hey Pat M, thanks for asking. I bogeyed the #5 hole; tee shot got caught in the wind and fell short of the green on the grass slope in front and to the right of the bunker. Chipped on, left par put about 8 inches short, tapped in. Not bad for that hole, it was a misty, blustery day. The outline of the Ocean City skyline was just barely visible through the fog.
As for the par 5 Devil’s Elbow (#7), it won again. Triple bogey. I’m trying to forget that hole.
And yes, I did read the post, I just don’t get why players are awarded for playing golf in early October.
Amazing that such a slacker like Dawson could only score 1400 runs while playing on such teams as the Expos and Cubs. The bum should have scored 3,000 runs.
Yes, Phil. Only you understand stats. Such an oversight on my part.
Runs scored are like RBIs, they are overly dependent on the other players on the team.
In 1987 when Andre Dawson was awarded the MVP, he scored 90 runs which you can see was over his career average as he played 21 years but scored just 1373 runs (way to round, GB!), of those runs 49 were from homers, and only 41 others were from none homers. He had 32 walks and 24 doubles and K’d 103 times. That was a good season for him, but not an MVP season, and he just didn’t get on enough over his 21 year career to be a great candidate for the Hall of Fame.
GB,
Is it booze?
If that’s the case, they’d better boot Robin Yount, Cal Ripkin, Ozzie Smith and others out of the HOF, and if Jeter slips two more points, he doesn’t have a chance at the HOF unless he buys a ticket.
yeah, cause there are the same standards for infielders as there are for outfielders when it comes to hitting. And you mean the Jeter with .388 career OBP who’s scored over 1500 runs in 6 fewer seasons? That Derek Jeter? The one with 5 rings to Andre’s 0? That guy. Keep throwing what you think is logic at me.
Ripken and Yount have 3000+ hits, as will Jeter.
Will he even notice it when the 365K gets deposited into his account?
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I guarantee you he would notice if it wasn’t deposited into his account.
For years Dawson played on bad teams. When you’re a 3, 4, 5 hitter on a bad team you have to expand the strike zone to drive in a run. The players behind don’t have the talent. I followed Montreal closely and saw many games. Strike agains’t him was that he didn’t get coverage in the US. What people saw later was a shadow of what he had been. Dawson was the complete great player. Using OBP agains’t him is bad, very bad.
Bo, so he among baseball players gets a break from his team’s need for him to get on base and not use up ungodly amounts of the teams’ outs? Cause you saw him in Canada? Really? That’s certainly nonsensical.
Tim Raines managed a .385 career OBP playing for many of the same teams.
and btw, Andre Dawson was very famous in America before he played down here. He used to get compared to Joe DiMaggio a lot while he was playing CF. Of course he was nowhere near the hitter DiMaggio was. Murcer and Singleton were both better hitters and neither of them are being considered for the Hall of Fame.
Neither Saingleton nor Murcer was ever considered to be better hitters, fielders or base runners than Dawson…except in your little world. Now, you’re getting stupid trying to make your pointless point.
“When you’re a 3, 4, 5 hitter on a bad team you have to expand the strike zone to drive in a run.”
To adopt that as a standard would be to embark on a slippery slope that could lead rationalizing why a lot of flawed players should be in the HoF.
Andre played until his early 40’s & as Bo Knows pointed out he played on some poor teams…..All I know that in the 80’s he was always the best player on the field….His numbers lie about how very good a ballplayer he was….And man could he play the outfield
Career OPS+
Dawson: 119
Singleton: 132
Murcer: 124
You know that Raines batted leadoff. That was his job and he was very good at it. Certainly Raines deserves the Hall. Comparing Raines to Dawson is nonsense, different jobs. I don’t know how many times it was Raines walk, steal second, sac, Dawson sac fly. Why is this so difficult to understand. It’s like walking with a man on third – you didn’t do your job.
But this wasn’t a team of All Stars where passing the baton was valid as with the Yankees. Mostly the team had to scrap for every run. Dawson was the star and teams pitched around him, if he was going for stats he could be in that high OBP category.
Teams pitched around Barry Bonds as well to an historic degree. He took his walks.
Much as I hate to agree with Rice, the money wasn’t in the OBP, it was RBIs.
Yeah, GB, not in the “whatever substance” addled world you live in, but Murcer’s best season was better than Andre’s and he finished up playing CF and RF like Andre and posted a 124 OPS+. Kenny Singleton had a career OPS+ of 132 and should have gotten much more serious consideration for the Hall. He was a better player than Jim Rice, for example.
But by all means, never look into anything but what was never considerd wherever the hell you were when all these guys were playing. Just keep being a jerk to anyone who doesn’t concede your right all the time. It really makes this place fun especially during your daily Jekyll and Hyde routines.
Bo, it’s everybody’t job to get on base, and make as few outs as possible. If they walked Babe Ruth every time up he would have been a much more devastating offensive force than he was being walked 150 times a year or whatever.
Joe Carter and Dave Parker had more RBIs than Jim Rice.
Dawson had over 300 SB’s too, not too shabby for a player with 438 career HR’s
It’s not like Dawson is a bad player. He’s just not a HoFer.
he stole 74% of the bases he tried to steal.
Bonds was a great ballplayer. He didn’t need the chemicals to validate his career. This pursuit of stats was an abomination. He wanted the adulation that the two bozos got for their HRs. Baseball sponsored that atmosphere to regain the fan base they lost. It was cynical and no amount of mea culpa balances that. The public didn’t know about steroids? Everyone closed their eyes. All those football players are naturally their size and speed. It’s the entertainment dollar.
One player in the HOF has 300 steals, 400 homers…not to mention 500 doubles, 1500 RBI, 1400 runs scored, 2700 hits. willie Mays.
I suppose that Travis Hafner, Jack and Will Clark, Reggie Smith, and Danny Tartabull should be HOF walkovers. They all had 130 OPS+. Start writing your letters of complaint to the HOF all of you little Bill James clones.
he didn’t score 1400 runs. And Willie’s numbers were a lot better than that. Willie played 1 more season yet scored more than 600 more runs. That must have been one big extra season, huh GB?
And I’m not little, even though my username doesn’t attempt to advertise any toughness.
Baseball is all about the challenge within a situation.
You don’t leave the Dominican walking, you don’t get the roar for a walk. That’s for the bean counters later on.
Well, I think better of bringing up Ron Santo, although he too should be in the Hall……Phil, so many of Andre Dawson’s peers ( many in Cooperstown ) are shocked that he hasn’t been invited…..Like many really outstanding ballplayers, they’ll have to wait for the Veteran’s Committee to make things right…..I mean not all writers are created equal…..
If you need to use some BS formula, why not use power+speed. Dawson is 7th career high.
Power/Speed Number = 2 (HR x SB) / HR + SB
Pat,
Ron Santo should have been in already.
I seriously doubt that any hitter is in the HOF because he walked a lot. They either pitched, hit or ran their way there…except for Reese, Rizzuto, Ross Youngs or Rabbit Maranville.
I wonder what’s in your BS formula, GB, cause it sure produces a lot of bs from you.
Anyway, if power/speed number every produces markedly fewer outs, I’m sure it will be more salient in discussions about Hall of Fame worthiness. Alas, it didn’t get it done for Andre thus far, though I suspect that’s about to change, and we’ll have another OF who doesn’t belong in the Hall in there.
I have to say, Phil you are owning GB7 tonight. There is no way Andre Dawson is a hall of famer. Very good player, yes. Hall of famer, NO!
If we are being fair the following should make it in this year: Alomar, Blyleven, Martinez, Raines, Larkin, McGwire, probably Baines and probably McGriff.
HOF is for the top, dominant players of their era. Dawson was that in spades.
Perhaps Dawson was perceived as one of the most dominant players in his era but the stats just don’t add up. Compared to other members of the hall of fame and to players he played against, he simply isn’t good enough.
Phil
I respect your opinions and you know baseball. I’ve enjoyed your posts for years over on the other site. To me stats are a part of baseball. They don’t tell the whole story. We’re building bandboxes and using the same stats. All walks count the same, whether it’s a ten pitch at bat agains’t CC, where he gave up or a guy who couldn’t find the plate.
Enough – from here on in it’ll just be repetition. To me Dawson deserves the Hall. He was a great player for many years in the top percentile of his era. That should mean the Hall.
He ain’t owning crap. He looks at two formulas and declares, “That’s it…that’s the ticket.”
“To me stats are a part of baseball. They don’t tell the whole story.”
So when deciding on a player’s candidacy for the hall of fame we should pay attention to what fans remember about the player? How does that hold any relevance? There is no concrete method of determining a player’s worth except for stats. Especially in the case of choosing who should be in the hall of fame.
Saints took it to the Pats 38-17,beantown is crying tonight!!
Me likey likey.
Well, I certainly wouldn’t want to own Crap. Where do you keep an internet toughguy anyway? What do you feed them? How much room do they take up? Are they nasty to all your neighbors, too? It seems to dicey.
Bo, walks aren’t the be all and end all, but not using up your teams limited number of outs is, and walks save outs and create scoring opportunities. You want to get on as much as possible. Dawson was not a very efficient player and used a ton of outs to create his numbers. It’s an extreme example but Mickey Mantle used way fewer outs to do what he did. So did Lou, so did Babe, so did Joe, so did Ted, etc. And I’m not willing to say Dawson was better than he was because I liked him, and I did. There are many better players who are not in the Hall.
If Phil owns GB, then he’s taken me & Bo Knows to the wood shed as well….Phil presents his case well to a degree….Andre Dawson’s support from his peers should speak volumns….Besides I watched the guy play due to the then superstation WGN…His years in Montreal were lost to many……In my opinion he was better than Kirby Puckett, then again I always thought Donnie Mattingly was better than Kirby as well….Shame was he developed a back problem that robbed him of 3-4 years….No postseason play also factors against him……
Unfortunately, the two worst groups to ask who belongs in the HOF are fans and writers. They either want their favorites or want to exclude playersthey didn’t like.
That includes putting in sympathy selections like Reese, Rizzuto, Ross Youngs, Addie Joss and Kirby Puckett. Joss in particular is strange, since the rules said any parts of 10 years to be eligible. Joss had 9 years.
You see I don’t really care whether x number of people vote to put a player in the Hall. Talking of Rice, Baines or McGuire for the Hall profanes the concept. Hall of Fame should be about the complete ballplayer. We’ve just recently started to compile defensive metrics and that poorly. For instance does anyone weight the Hall for positions. As in a catcher, SS, CF is much more valuable than a 1B. It’s a subjective thing and using stats to separate candidates doesn’t work.
Bo, more and more people are paying attention to positional scarcity. That’s why players in the middle of the diamond who can really hit are so valuable. Corner players are supposed to really hit, but when you get that hitting up the middle, then you’re on to something.
Not only did Mattingly’s back issues rob him of 4 more years, it robbed him of effectiveness in last 6 years that he did play (from ‘90-’95), and his numbers were still slightly better than Puckett’s.
Did the veterans committee elect Joss? Cause, man, for awhile there, oldtimers were getting on the veterans committee and just electing their friends. That’s how so many of the New York Giants from the first 25 years of the 20th century got in.
Guys, at this point we need a couple of virtual beers. Kick back and exchange a few insults. GB will have pay a penalty because he’s used up his quota.
I guess Joss got in because his career and life were cut short, but the career he had was on a Hall track.
Bo Knows, You mentioned that you’re familar with Phil from another site…What site would that be ???? I used to hang out at the Replacement Yankee site before coming over here 3 years ago…..Some knowledgable guys there, but they were to stat driven….I mean way too many stat sheets that they used to determine a players worth…..Most of them never played the game nor saw most of the players they ragged about play……Just too much number driven for me..Besides the on the field inner game was lost to their thinking…..
The writers waived the 10 year rule. If you look, you’ll see that ball players tougher on selecting players than writers.
Writers will never elect Marvin Miller because the owners will cut off their access to team info. Marvin Miller was one of the top five influential non-players in history.
This was allright. A little venting. GB as Jekyll and Hyde.
Ehh, I call him “Sweet and Sour”
I did like my “you don’t get a roar for a walk”.
I’ll have to put it in the bank for a future date.
Being on a HOF track doesn’t mean squat. So was Mattingly, Wally Bunker, Tony Conigliaro and others.
HOF is one story, but all I care about from a hitter is run production or run revention. Dawson was both.
Pat
Phil has been a major contributor on Nyyfans for years on the Minor league site. A lot of knowledgeable people there over the years. Again a site is only as good as the posters. Lately it’s become a lot of sniping amongst a few which is unfortunate. They do know the Yankee Minor League players.
But, if the only reason you didn’t get into the Hall is because you got sick and died, it’s a little different from hurting your back and declining.
Hopefully, tomorrow, if all are here, God willing, we’ll have a whole list of arbitration decisions to review.
GreenBeret7
December 1st, 2009 at 1:45 am
HOF is one story, but all I care about from a hitter is run production or run revention. Dawson was both.
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Amen Loved watching that man play. The consumate professional.
Enjoyed watching him play, too. But he made too many outs and is no Hall of Famer.
Good night and God bless!
Bo Knows, Are the opinions based on stat sheets or eyeball observations ???? Stat sheets are a way of life in Baseball, however they will never replace the scout who watches the games and who file their reports….Too many of the younger fans are stat driven when they form their opinions of ballplayers…..It all started with the routisuere leagues back in the mid 80’s….I was absorbed into those fantasy leagues in the early 80’s, and all I cared about was #’s……However I never loss the eyeball observation aspect of placing a value on a ballplayer…..
Pat M.-
I played Stratomatic as a kid, gave me a good foundation for fantasy baseball as an adult.
Pat
You’re right. Over Nyyfans they pore over every piece of information published. So it’s a good site for information, very little personal observation but I’m partial to the farm systems probably due to the Sporting News.
I share your views on these sites. River Ave Blues is another one. A lot of very bright people but it’s a total group grope. Disagree at your peril. I once spent a couple of hours over there sniping at Dunn, who was the stathead God at the time. I wound up in a battle with about 20 posters. A few for my side were “paper power and walking pylon”. To me Dunn is a joke, they were serious.
I talk about situational hitting and I have an unbelievable time communicating this simple fact to people as in A Rod hit a HR but the situation called for a single, not going for the gusto and flying out 90 percent of the time. Great result, bad execution, selfish play. I got in on the Dawson thing because if you don’t condemn, you condone.
Bo Knows
December 1st, 2009 at 1:51 am
GreenBeret7
December 1st, 2009 at 1:45 am
HOF is one story, but all I care about from a hitter is run production or run revention. Dawson was both.
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Amen Loved watching that man play. The consumate professional.
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He was his era’s version of Mickey Mantle (knee-wise). Mantle was better, but, I’d take Dawson on my team any day. Impossible to imagine his numbers with two average knees, let alone good knees. Two many times that I saw both of them swing and their knees buckled and they ended up swinging with all arms and still get it to the warning track. For big guys, both of them could run like the wind.
One other center fielder that never got his recognition was Willie Davis. Dawson’s glide with mantle’s speed. Outstanding hitter, too.
GreenBeret7
December 1st, 2009 at 2:25 am
One other center fielder that never got his recognition was Willie Davis. Dawson’s glide with mantle’s speed. Outstanding hitter, too.
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Man, you’re bringing back good memories. What about the Philly CF “2/3 of the earth is covered by water”.
I was lucky enough to be in Edmonton when Devon White was there in AAA. That was an experience every time.
Bo Knows..Man I remember the Sporting news as being my Baseball bible during the long cold snowy winter in NY…..Couldn’t wait until Street & Smith would hit the stands in early February….Then it was only a matter of weeks until pitcher & catchers would report….Then the Rawlings would come out from it’s winter sleep, along with the saddlesoap, as another baseball season was approaching regardless of the foot of snow in my backyard……I still pick up a copy of Street & Smith every year just for old times sake…..Sporting News I read on the web…..
Yeah, Maddux and White were pretty much the same player. Two of the best of the ’80s and early ’90s. For two years, though, very few were as good as Elliott Maddox for the Yankees. And, he was just starting to get hit offense on track.
I got to watch Devo out here when he played in Anaheim…He replaced another real good CF, Gary Pettis, who replaced Freddy Lynn…..
I remember reading smith And street’s every year, and the Sporting News when it was actually good. I remember the countdowns until spring practice started…going down to the batting cages with my wooden bat, after sandpapering it and using a soup bone to “bone” the bat to close the grains….just like Ted Williams told us to do. I could use a bat all season. Funny thing, though. I never could understand why Teddy could hit and I couldn’t. I did everything he said.
Street and Smith eh. Yep, same here. Elliot Maddux, what was it, a couple of years, got hurt and disappeared.
Angels had another pretty good center fielder early in their history. Albie Pearson, who was the AL version of Richie Ashburn. For about 6 years, not many better center fielders better than Jose Cardenal.
Bo Knows
December 1st, 2009 at 2:57 am
Street and Smith eh. Yep, same here. Elliot Maddux, what was it, a couple of years, got hurt and disappeared.
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Yeah, one bad step playing at Shea and his knee exploded.
Oh great a ‘back in my day’ or ‘remember that guy’ contest has broken out amongst the elderly.
Try to keep it down i’m calculating vorps
Bo Knows…Elliot Maddox was the CF for the Yanks when they started to get good under George in 1974, when they played in Shea….That’s where he tore up his knee…..Was a .300 hitter and a real good ballplayer…Yanks stole him from Baltimore….Gabe Paul knew the game and had an eye for talent….Netles, Chambliss, Pinella, Randolph, etc…Then of course came George’s checkbook when the players were emancipated………..Marvin Miller belongs in the Hall, just as GB stated earlier
Jerkface, I was retiring from the game just as George was making his mark….I called it a career in the spring of 74….Sent back to AA Ball with a bad left knee
Nah, I could hit and I could run. Didn’t know what I was doing but it was see ball, hit ball. My biggest claim to fame was that I made the Seniors team in high school. Got to go to all the Sunday tournaments all over the country. It wasn’t until later that I came across coaching. Wrecked my game completely, I started thinking. The only thing I learned was bat control as in spoil a pitch if you can’t do anything with it.
Hard to believe that Gabe Paul was able to get the ‘69, ‘70 and ‘71 AL ROY on the same team by 1974, isn’t it?
Bo Knows, You played the game…..One of my favorite memories was playing for the Westchester County American Legion All-Star team and going to Sing-Sing toplay vs. The Prison Team……They beat us 7-4…And to think we ended up 3rd in the State Tourney….Got ot play in Yankee Stadium & Shea in 1970……Yankee Stadium and it’s 461 Center Field, 457 to left center..Right Center was only 407…..A very long shot for dingers……
Western Canada and Southern Ontario were Hockey/Baseball hotbeds. If you were a good hockey player, you could hit a baseball. Same mechanics.
Wiffle ball proficiency is underrated on this board.
GB, Gabe Paul transformed the NY Yankees in a matter of a few years….He did this in the way of trades..He left The Indians and plucked their best talent..Once Free Agency arrived the was able to buy the pieces needed to put them over the top….After a few years he missed the challenge and left NY….I think he ended up going back to The Indians befoe retiring….Make no mistake he biult the Yanks and when he left George had a string of handcuffed GM’s and a merry go round in the dugout….Welcome to the 1980’s…….
Pat
Man, what memories you have. I envy you.
Funniest thing was when they dragged me out to help coach kids. I didn’t know diddley. I know I did it but how did I do it? They had to coach me so I could coach the kids. Talk about a sponge, I was a walking question mark.
Good God Pumpkin time was hours ago. Yikes.
Bo Knows, I spent most of the 90’s coaching from Little League to HS and Connie Mack…..That’s how I got to know the Young Master Hughes, The Ian Kennedy’s & Austin Romine’s of Orange County……I even remember Ryan Klesko when he played Little League in Westminster……Now I just out to watch the kids who have maybe the talent to have a shot…..
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....pitch.html
AJ is the man. Lets get Halladay.
It’s going to be a very interesting week, and a taletelling month…….
Buster Olney reporting that Halladay has informed the BlueJays that if he is not traded by the start of Spring Training, he will exercise his no trade clause and not approve an in season move.
Wow, 59 full shares for the Dodgers. I wonder where they came up with so many! They must have had a lot of call-ups play a role this year.
Buster thinks Halladay will go to the Angels so that means he will end up with the Yankees, sox, or Phillies.
The jays have very little leverage left so they are going to have to come down off their Montero+Hughes demands or they are gonna get nothing for him
our pal zell looks like he may have come across the greatest yankees tribute video ever!
http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....-tributes/
If Halladay is smart He should nix any trade and walk free like AJ did.Jays were stupid with him AJ too,and got nothing in return.
What they did to Halladay last season,getting his hopes up,all the media attention he got,to not trade him was cruel.
Halladay knows the market is great for him,and he would get a better deal if he waited for FA,so perspective teams don’t deplete their team to get him.I for one hopes he ties the Jays hands and turns down any trade.
It’s not even a matter of tying the Jays’ hands. One reason you have a no trade clause is precisely this kind of scenario. Who would want to have that hanging over their head all season – am I staying or am I going? This way, if he’s not traded by spring training, he knows where he is going to be the entire season. And that, actually, benefits the Blue Jays as well as Halladay, since he will be pitching with a clear head, AND a contract somewhere else. Can you imagine the season that the Jays could get out of Halladay under those circumstances? (Not that the seasons he’s given them have been anything to sneeze at.)
I just don’t sense that Halladay would be doing that (invoking his NTC) to spite the Blue Jays.
In my perfect world Andy comes back for one more year, then the Yankees get Halladay next year w/o having to give up anyone.
I don’t blame Doc – he doesn’t want to have to deal with the constant uncertainty during the season; I’m sure it was a distraction for him last year. I think he’s going to the Angels, too.
Tonight, Bob Costas has Dennis Eckersley, Rollie Fingers, Bruce Sutter and Goose in studio as his topic for Studio 42 is closers. Last night they showed a clip in which Costas asks each of these men why La Russa, Willimas, Herzog and Martin (”at his best”, Bob specifically stated) were the best. LOL When they got to Goose, he said “he wasn’t”. Costas seemed shocked, lol. Goose said he and Martin never got along, that Martin asked him during his first ST to throw at a hitter’s head,. Goose refused as this player (unnamed) had never done anything to him….plus, at his head? I can’t wait to see the rest of the show.
If Doc prefers NY (or Boston or wherever) over the Angels (which I think is where Toronto will try hardest to trade him), he should refuse to sign an extension. Then again, he’s not stupid. If he thinks he’ll be happy in CA, more power to him; as AJ said, he deserves the chance to win.
Doreen
I don’t sense spite. I sense someone who is looking to avoid limbo and hoping to avoid the distraction from being dangled all season like he was the month leading up to last seasons trade deadline.
That became the focus instead of the team and wasn’t productive for him, his teammates and the organization.
Where is the link, by the way, to the news item where Buster says Doc is going to the Angels?
The player Martin wanted Goose to hit in the head was Billy Sample. Martin hated Billy Sample and Goose refused to do it.
From that point, the two hated each other.
Just can’t see Roy Halladay going to the Angels. They train in Arizona, far away from his home base in the Dunedin area, and I don’t see the Angels paying 20+ million for a pitcher.
He will eventually wind up with either the Yankees or Phillies, IMO. Whether that’s by trade or through free agency, those two cities set up best for him in all that he wants out of the rest of his career.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....VRPgz4zZFI
SJ, I thought that about the Angels as well………until I read that they were on Doc’s list.
Pat, I agree……though I’m not sure Doc is too happy with the Jays for putting him through that last year.
pat -
Agreed.
SJ44 -
You don’t think the Red Sox would be in that small group?
Billy Sample? I remember him – why on earth would Martin hate him? I was only 12 or 13 when Martin managed the Yanks in the 80’s, so I don’t remember him that well, but I will say that I have never been comfortable with managers like him. It’s why I never loved Lou as manager – I hated seeing him lose his temper all the time. I just don’t love managers that berate their players to motivate them, no matter what the end results end up being.
Was AJ even allowed to say that stuff about Doc? I remember Pat mentioning at some point that this could be construed as tampering……
Betsy,
Nobody in the media knows who are on Halladay’s list. He doesn’t talk to the media. They are all speculating.
Bob Elliot, the Toronto columnist, is closer to Halladay than anybody in the media. If he says something about it (which he did last week) then you know its from Halladay.
Doreen,
So far, at least according to the folks in the media “closest to the Red Sox”, they are going to acquire, Adrian Gonzalez, Matt Holliday, Mike Gonzalez, Speedy Gonzalez, and just about any other player not named Gonzalez currently available.
I don’t know if the would have room for Halladay. He would have to start the season in Pawtucket until they could open up a roster spot for him! lol
Seriously though, I don’t know if the Sox have enough minor league to matchup with Toronto at this time.
Also, Josh Beckett isn’t taking a paycut to stay in Boston. If they give Doc 20+ million, Beckett is going to look for the same or he will walk. Not sure the Sox want to tie up that kind of money on 2 pitchers, despite the claims from the Sox cheerleaders in the media.
SJ44 -
Ah, yes, the Red Sox shopping list and Josh Beckett. Two wrenches in the plan.
For all the blowing of smoke they do, Boston simply doesn’t have the pieces to get Halladay. Buchholz and Kelly just won’t cut it. Their No. 1 priority is to focus on hitting. From 2003-2007 Ortiz / Ramirez caused havoc for pitchers and managers. That ship has sailed and Boston is back to earth. No immediate help from the farm system means free agent signings or fall behind Tampa Bay in the AL East pecking order.
Prediction : Boston rolls the dice in 2010 with almost what they have and hope for the free agent class of 2011 brings help including signing their own Beckett and Martinez.