Girardi being honored again
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2009 
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He conducted sliding practice yesterday, and today Joe Girardi will be honored as the March of Dimes Sportsman of the Year. Venus Williams is the organization’s Sportswoman of the Year. The March of Dimes sports luncheon is being held at the Waldorf Astoria in Manhattan.
Earlier this offseason, the Knicks honored Girardi with their City Spirit award, and the Yankees as a while were honored for their HOPE Week activities. Derek Jeter, obviously, is the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year.
It’s nice to follow a team that’s recognized off the field as well as on it. I’m on my way to the Waldorf so that if Girardi says anything particularly newsworthy, I can let you know. Maybe he’ll announce a major trade or signing! But I doubt it.
Rich in NJ
In what world? The one in which their prospects are not all that good to begin with. Off the top of my head, you’ve got Jon Papelbon, a failed starter, Kevin Youkilis, a 30 year old who depends on the batters around him and cannot lead a team, Dustin Pedroia, whose talent ceiling is not all that high (despite is undeserved MVP).
If the Red Sox played with their prospects instead of their money, they probably would not be in contention.
The only prospect that they have traded that I can think of in one minute that has turned into anything is Hanley Ramirez.
And since they can trade just about any non prospect for something of value, then it does not matter how many picks they get. Peter Gammons and B.A. and B.P. will always be there to tout them.
I’d rather not worry about the Red Sox, and be concerned with how our team is going to make themselves better.
Hanley Ramirez, aside from Dustin, Pap, Youk, and Jacoby, whose another guy with limited abilities. Speed, he walks only 6 percent of the time (not great), and his defense is bad. Jacoby is a nice piece of a team, but he’s no star.
The stripper(s) are about to hit the fan!
http://www.usmagazine.com/cele.....ou-2009212
Tiger, this is why God invented high priced call girls. The pros don’t accumulate evidence and run to the tabloids or contact your spouse.
Looks like you didn’t learn a thing at Stanford.
Congrats to Girardi!
He’s had quite a year.
CR9 (Red Sox farm system = Hydra, except cut off one head and 6 more grow back)
In the world that giving a team more opportunities to gain talent is contrary to their competitors’ best interests. How can you seriously argue that point?
Baseball America may overrate their prospects, but Masterson got them Victor Martinez.
Simply put: more assets > less assets
The RS just got more assets. That’s not a positive development for the Yankees.
I feel dirty. I actually find myself having to say “Way to go John Henry.” That’s right, actual, sincere praise for the owner of the Boston Red Sox. And it is well deserved praise at that.
Henry had the guts to come out and slap Bud Selig’s vaunted revenue sharing program right in the face for the abject failure that it is.
For those who haven’t followed, Henry ripped the current system saying that the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Angels etc…give hundreds of millions of dollars to “seven chronically noncompetative teams; 5 of which finished with some of the strongest profit margins in baseball.” What he’s saying with that line is that teams are saying they need revenue sharing to compete and then taking the money they’re given and not spending dime one of it to instead fatten their profit margins.
Henry goes on to say that no other business in the world fines companies in that industry who succeed the way baseball does. Saying that instead of penalizing the teams like the Yankees for having a strong business model and making money, MLB should tax payrolls and use those as a barometer for determining how much money each team has to give to the bottom feeders and also that a salary floor needs to be established.
I couldn’t agree with him more. Set a payroll threshold at 145 mil – for every dollar over that a team goes they pay a dollar back to MLB (just like the current luxury tax) and that money goes to the teams with low revenues.
There have been critics of a salary floor – saying that to meet those levels teams will end up giving contracts to players who don’t deserve them rather than giving a promising rookie a shot. I think that’s a load of garbage. Not every rookie/young player on the Pirates should even be in this league – trading Jason Bay and Adam LaRoche didn’t open the door for some great young prospect all it did was lower the team’s payroll.
Yay for Girardi. What a great time to be a Yankee fan, not only are they World Champions, but they are over-all good guys as well.
Rich, I think the OP sounded like he was going to jump off a cliff or something….I’m surprised this is getting as much play here as it has, but I guess there’s nothing to really talk about.
By the way, can any one summarize the Sherman piece for me? Thanks!
you people crying about the Red Sox draft picks really need to stop it.
As proven numerous times in the past you can pick up first round talent in the later rounds and most picks don’t amount to anything anyway.
Crying about a draft pick that likely won’t help the team until 4 years or more is ridiculous.
I’m getting sick and tired about all the whining about every single move the Red Sox make. Last I checked the Yankees were the WS champs and the Red Sox need alot of help, alot.
Worrying about who the Red Sox might get in a draft that’s taking place next June is dumb.
Hate to get all SJ44 on here but it’s the truth. Somebody needs to call a wahbulance for a lot of you here.
Betsy
The OP?
1) The Jays said the Yankees will get the chance to top any offer.
2) The Jays haven’t set an asking price yet.
3) It may be in the Yankee’ interests to trade for Halladay priced as a one year rental, and then offer him arb and take the picks, because they have so many long-term contracts given to aging players.
Rich -
I would agree with you except that I really don’t think that GMs around baseball turn to Baseball America for an evaluation of another organization’s prospects.
Each team has their own scouts, their own rating process and their own needs. So while we might not understand why Cleveland liked the package of prospects they got for Cliff Lee because Baseball America and Keith Law don’t have those prospects highly rated, it’s possible that the scouts in Cleveland know something that Baseball America and Keith Law don’t.
Remember – if Jim Callis, John Manuel, Law, etc…were really great evaluators it’s likely they would be on some team’s payroll now instead of writing columns.
Chip
Much as I hate to agree w/ Mr. “curse of MT”, he is right. Not everyone has the revenue potential of the Yankees or Red Sox, but at the very least the money from revenue sharing should be put back in the team. And as much as they like to whine about the Yankees, I am sure their best gate is when the Yankees (or RS) are in town.
Raymagnetic
It seems that the people who are whining are the people who are complaining about other people whining, when in fact those people aren’t whining.
We are just stating a fact.
The RS got two picks for nothing. That’s good for them. Deal with it.
As for Boston picking up a draft pick for Wagner, fine…it’s likely they are going to also lose one along the way when they sign one themselves. In fact they might just swap picks with the Braves if they sign Mike Gonzalez to replace Wagner.
Chip
Fine, BA doesn’t matter. But the RS have prospects that other teams want. Masterson for Martinez being the latest example.
Lauren, I’m simply not going to worry because the Red Sox got a couple of extra picks – I’m well aware that they could turn into good players. The Yankees pick could turn into a good player……..As most here know, I tend to worry about everything. I’m not saying this isn’t good for the Sox, just that it’s not something I’m going to spend any time getting upset over.
Henry is spot on. Its ridiculous for the Yankees and red sox have to give all this money to these owners who just pocket the money.. MLB has got to out a rule in place that all luxury tax money has to go directly into baseball operations. Otherwise you are just making the rich owners richer and doing nothing to add more parody to the game…
upstate kate
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Chip
Much as I hate to agree w/ Mr. “curse of MT”, he is right.
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kate, I’m with you. It’s almost painful for me to agree with that idiot, but he got it exactly right.
the jays aren’t going to accept what would be offered for Halladay without an extension.. They would rather keep and lose him and have the draft picks for themselves than trade him for lower prospects… At least I would if I’m them..
Kate -
I am sure their best gate is when the Yankees (or RS) are in town.
Absolutely, which is the real reason that we have these screwy interleague schedules – because every team wants to have the Yankees and Sox in their park.
It’s just disgusting that a team can get $40 mil in revenue sharing and spend less than half of that on actual payroll and then still complain that they need more money.
If a team is truly that destitute, that between revenue sharing and their own revenue they can’t have a 40 man roster worth at least $50 mil then the team should be contracted.
Don’t praise Henry too much. Most of his rant about the current system had to do with the Yankees not being punished enough for their spending.
He also cried about not really being a big market team since Boston is only the 16th biggest media market.
It’s getting laughable with all of the crying about Boston and getting draft picks. NYY have been exploiting the weaknesses and loopholes in the FA and draft processes and it didn’t bother any Yankee fans. Now comes all of the hue and cry from the usual whiners. Break out your Kleenex boxes. There are no conspiracies.
What Henry’s statement also suggests is that the owners of higher revenue teams are not going to sit back and let the lower revenue owners set up another round of Yankee penalties in the next CBA.
I expect that if there is any attempt to up the percentage for revenue sharing or luxury tax you’re going to see a major fight between the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Mets, Angels etc against Selig’s gang of small time owners.
I’m not praising him but he was right about that one thing.. He is a consistent whiner at least.. The red sox could spend just as much as the Yankees but they would rather have the payroll excuse when they lose..
Rich,
the people who are complaining about the Sox puck sure seem like they’re whining to me.
How do you know the draft pucks will work out for them? How gave the Yankees number one pucks the past few years worked out thus far?
CJ Henry is a bust. Ian Kennedy hasn’t done anything except destroy the minor leagues thus far.
Gerrit Cole? Lol.
You are worrying yourself for no reason whatsoever. So what the Sox get two more picks. The Yankees can make it up by overslotting in the later rounds.
“It may be in the Yankee’ interests to trade for Halladay priced as a one year rental, and then offer him arb and take the picks, because they have so many long-term contracts given to aging players.”
It may not be the Yankees choice, though. Toronto could refuse to trade him for the lower value that would bring.
More likely is that Halladay holds most of the cards here, and probably wouldn’t waive the no trade unless he was at least promised an extension.
Poor Tiger. So he made a mistake. He admitted it, like a true man (AROD). I just heard ESPN say “I dont think the public can forgive him.”
First, like it’s any of the public’s business. Second, he admitted it.
David Ortiz cheated the game of baseball and set a poor example for children with his steroid usage and then compounded that by setting the poor example for children of lying.
Rich, it’s a good deal for the Sox, but I hope you’re not referring to me as one of those complaining about the complainers. I don’t get the concern people are expressing about the Sox getting extra picks, but so be it.
OP = original poster (baseball fab, I think?). He sounded very upset about it, that’s all. It’s ok to say it’s good for the Sox, but I think people are overreacting to it. IMO, it’s something you accept as good for the Sox and move on.
Thanks for the info re: the Sherman article. I guess we’ll have to wait on what the Jays will ask for and if there is room for negotiation. I completely disagree with trying to get Doc for a year and then letting him go for picks. First off, he would not waive his NTC for that – I think he wants to be settled for a few years (unless the Jays work out a trade with, say the Angels, and he prefers the Yankees. He might accept the trade, but not sign an extension so that he can become a FA). Most importantly, it’s just silly to take a year of Doc and then get picks for him. I may have questions as to how long he can keep this up, but I don’t have questions about the first few years of any new deal. I’ll take Doc instead of 2 picks way down the line.
Country Club
His comment about being the 16th best market was a shot at the so called “small market clubs”
He said “While the Red Sox are in the 16th largest media market we’ve found a way to be very competitive even though we are funding other teams.”
So not only are the sox not in a huge media market but they’re paying revenue sharing and are still competative, why can’t the Pirates or Royals do the same with the extra money they’re getting?
And yes, he does want the Yankees penalized for spending so much on players. “…payroll tax dollars replace revenue sharing dollars and go directly to the clubs that need revenues in order to meet minimum payrolls that should be imposed on each club receiving revenue…” but is against taxing the Yankees (or any team) for having a successful business model. Essentially he’s saying expand the luxury tax and do away with revenue sharing. I’m sure the Yankees would make that trade-off.
Hey, Wagner helped the Angels make that great comeback in game 3 culminating in the Papelbon meltdown.
That’s worth a couple of draft picks isn’t it?
While Henry, a former part-owner of the Yankees, has no love-loss for his biggest rival, he does believe that the current revenue sharing formula unfairly penalizes the Yankees and other big market teams which generate big revenues.
“Baseball has determined that the best way to deal with the Yankees is to take as much of their revenue as possible. I see that in direct opposition to the ideals this country was built on. Baseball is a business and should be treated as such. Baseball is also a sport that needs competitive balance in order to prosper. Taxing their revenues and other “large markets” in the way it is presently done, is simply confiscation on an order of magnitude never seen in any industry in America,” Henry said.
But we all heard ESPN’s take on David Ortiz.
“We believe him”
“He has earned the public’s and media’s trusts”
“He is a great guy”
“blake says:
December 2, 2009 at 11:15 am
the jays aren’t going to accept what would be offered for Halladay without an extension.. They would rather keep and lose him and have the draft picks for themselves than trade him for lower prospects… At least I would if I’m them..”
Blake,
I brought this up before, but the Jays would be dumb not to trade Halladay now.
If they can get 4 or 5 minor league players with 2 or 3 of them close to the majors, that’s infinitely better than keeping him for 2 draft picks.
GB7
you sound like PeteAbe. Congratulations. You’ve become what you hated.
As for Boston getting the pick for Wagner -
It’s really much ado about nothing. Yes, they got a draft pick for him but as I said above, they’re likely going to lose their own pick somewhere along the line and even if they don’t; a first round draft pick is not guaranteed to do anything…See Craig Hansen.
Now yes, there will be someone who will say “But Chip, the Sox got Jason Bay for Hansen” and my response is, “no, the Sox got Jason Bay because the Pirates were looking to dump payroll and they were willing to take whatever garbage Boston was willing to offer to do that.”
Frankly, if Boston loses Wagner and Bay and winds up with 3 first round picks and 2 sandwich round picks because they don’t sign anyone to replace them I think every Yankee fan will be fine with that.
Ray, if the jays would accept an offer like that and no other club beats it then by all means go ahead. I think that will be a last resort for them though and it depends in the quality of players in the deal. It may be worth more to them in good will with their fans to act like the tried to keep him and compete in 2010 than trade him for a bunch of mediocre prospects..
If they can get 4 or 5 minor league players with 2 or 3 of them close to the majors, that’s infinitely better than keeping him for 2 draft picks.
Ray – You’re talking about quantity over quality now. Look back at the Johan trade.
Carlos Gomez – traded for JJ Hardy
Phil Humber – released
Kevin Mulvey – traded for Jon Rauch
Delois Geura – still in the low minors
Now, given that – would Bill Smith had been better off to keep Johan for the extra year, maybe gone into the playoffs, and then maybe taken his chance with a couple of draft picks the next year?
That’s the same question facing Anthopolus now.
All I want to know is what kind of club Tiger’s wife was using. You know, like a nine iron or a driver? Did she hit it straight or hook it? Well, in any event, I don’t imagine she will be kissing his ball for good luck before a golf game anytime soon.
Chip-
John Henry is kinda wacky. Baseball is not like other businesses. They’re the only sport that enjoys an antitrust exemption.
Chip, that was my point exactly. I hope the jays do give in and trade him for spare parts but I am thinking they learned from the Johan deal or at Least you would think they did..
“David Ortiz cheated the game of baseball and set a poor example for children with his steroid usage and then compounded that by setting the poor example for children of lying.”
Andy Pettitte is my idol.
just another handle-
based on this video recreation, it looks like she used a wedge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xaLaLHHms
Lauren
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
GB7
you sound like PA. Congratulations. You’ve become what you hated.
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Well, once again, you’re wrong. I never considered PA important enough to feel one way or another about him.
Now…tell me where I’m wrong about the difference between what NYY does and what Boston did. That’s right…nothing.
Ortiz’ said : ” I never use steroids”. He did not say I never “USED” steroids. Slick, Clinton-esque.
Blake
I don’t think Halladay gets moved…and if he does it won’t be to the Yankees or Sox. Here’s my reasoning:
1. While Anthopolus might be willing to trade him within the division that doesn’t mean he’s eager to do so.
2. If he is going to trade him within the division then he needs to get a clear win in the deal – either Montero and Joba (along with others) from the Yankees or Bucholtz, Kelly, and Bard from Boston – neither of those clubs are likely to do that and if Anthopolus takes lesser prospects and they don’t pan out it would be a PR disaster for him.
3. If he was going to take a lesser package it’s going to be from an NL team or a team that was willing to take back Wells off his hands. If the Mets were willing to spend the money they would be a great fit here – they could give Toronto a package of Ollie Perez, Luis Castillo, Josh Thole and Fernando Martinez for Wells and Halladay – put Wells in LF in an OF of Wells, Beltran and Francouer and have Halladay and Johan fronting the rotation.
The interesting dynamic in the whole Halladay thing is not knowing what he told the team.
Does he WANT to be traded?
Are the Yankees the ONLY team he’s given a thumbs up to?
Will he demand or even consider an extension?
Let’s say for arguments’ sake that he told the Jays he wants to be traded to the Yanks and will still become a FA after 2010. Then the player/prospect cost comes way down.
But if he’s open to multiple bidders and open minded on an extension they should get greater value.
Way to much yapping about draft picks. Nothing in baseball is more overrated. The majority of high picks don’t amount to much anyway. It’s as economically wasteful as the international signing frenzy.
As for the $$$$. Obviously revenue sharing is a form of socialism, but I believe it is necessary to have some level of competitive balance. For true competitive balance you might have to relocate about eight teams with two of them coming to greater NYC, one each to LA, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Boston and Philly and that aint happening.
The luxury tax is meant to be a drag on payroll growth and it has worked. While I don’t support a salary cap, I do believe a salary floor is needed to force these bloodsuckers to invest the money baseball GIVES them in their product.
Let the sawx decimate their team by losing players and get draft picks.Every major league ready player they lose,for draft picks further weakens them for net season.
They have huge contracts to contend with next year. as well
Chip,
I’m talking about them getting good players. Everybody knew the Mets gave up crap to get Santana.
The biggest reason I would want Roy Halladay to be a Yankee (if that was my official position):
I no longer ever want to hear John Sterling say (when facing Halladay), “Well you give up 2 runs against Roy Halladay and it might as well be 20″
Meh, I’ll never understand the obsession with everything the Red Sox do or the anticipation of what they’ll do.
The Yanks are the World Champs and they’ll beat the Red Sox no matter what happens.
I see Chip has found a home on LoHud. Gotta wonder if he still thinks singing Andy Pettitte last offseason was a terrible idea.
GB7-
Didn’t say you were wrong. I said your stooped to Pete’s level with your attacks. You could have said the same thing without having to resort to the school yard touts Pete used to employ.
My criticism stands. If the Mets handed Cashman mid-level draft choices for the middle of a donut, GMs and sportswriters would be steamed and demanding future remedies to halt such lop-sided transactions.
Erica – always OPPC
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
The biggest reason I would want Roy Halladay to be a Yankee (if that was my official position):
I no longer ever want to hear John Sterling say (when facing Halladay), “Well you give up 2 runs against Roy Halladay and it might as well be 20?
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Sterling does tend to exaggerate at times, doesn’t he? 2 runs would be more like 18 runs, and thus giving NYY a real chance.
Raymagnetic December 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Everybody knew the Mets gave up crap to get Santana.
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Is that accurate?
I only ask because the Twins demanded steep price from the Red Sox and Yankees for Santana.
Sure there’s a benefit to trading your star player to the other league, but why turn down a superior offer just to avoid facing him a twice a year.
“If the Mets handed Cashman mid-level draft choices for the middle of a donut, GMs and sportswriters would be steamed and demanding future remedies to halt such lop-sided transactions.”
Maybe, but so what? They can demand remedies til the cows come home. There wouldn’t be any.
If anything, Minaya should be skewered for this. Unless ownership told him he had to move Wagner for $$$ reasons, it was a poorly thought out deal on his part.
86 -
I basically agree with you but I’m not even sure that moving markets will help some teams.
The Nationals for example moved to DC (a very good market) and opened a new park – those two things should instantly raise the team’s revenue (and payroll) and thus make them more competative – the problem was that it didn’t improve the IQ of any of their front office personell by spending good money on really bad players (Dimtri Young/Ron Belliard), making short sighted trades (Alfonso Soriano) and bringing in guys who just didn’t fit (Adam Dunn). So because you’ve got a bad team your shiny new stadium goes empty and you don’t generate any media interest and thus you have no revenue to spend.
Maybe now that they’ve turned over the front office and have a couple of exciting young players to build around things will turn around for them, but they really better hope that Steven Strasburg is as good as advertised and never gets hurt.
Miami is a fantastic media market and they dump salary like I dump spoiled milk and then wonder why they can’t get any public support for a new stadium.
I think the best way to go is still contraction. Here’s my plan for that:
1. Teams have to have a payroll in the bottom third of baseball 3 years running.
2. Teams have to have records in the lower 5 of baseball 3 years in a row.
3. Teams will have to finish in the bottom third in average attendance 3 years in a row.
4. Each MLB team contributes an equal share towards buying out the owner at 2/3 of the team’s apraised price (the other third is a penalty for poorly running your franchise)
5. If your team has a new, publically funded stadium, then 1/2 of the money given to the team goes to the city/state to offset the investment that community made in your franchise
6. All players on the 40 man roster and draft picks in the last 5 years are subject to a draft among the other MLB teams. All other players are declared free agents.
Lauren
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
GB7-
Didn’t say you were wrong. I said your stooped to Pete’s level with your attacks. You could have said the same thing without having to resort to the school yard touts Pete used to employ.
My criticism stands. If the Mets handed Cashman mid-level draft choices for the middle of a donut, GMs and sportswriters would be steamed and demanding future remedies to halt such lop-sided transactions.
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Who really gives a rats behind what other GMs and writers think? The GMs still deal with the Yankees and writers are generally only a annoying nuisance, anyway. They are fun to poke with sharp sticks, though.
Chip, I think that’s good reasoning. If they accept a lesser package its not going to be within the division. I’m in the get halladay camp but I think it’ll take more than spare parts and come with an extension.
If he doesn’t get traded then that wouldn’t be so bad either
GF,
How are you doing? I heard about that boy in VA who got the same thing you had after getting the vaccine shot. I remember you and ?? in NJ were having a discussion about it. I’d like to learn more. None of my kids have gotten the vaccine but I have one in college and one about to. I’m thinking about it for those two.
The Yanks have exploited these kinds pf weaknesses in the system for 90 years.
They are the reason an amateur draft was born. They would have their scouts go to kids’ high school graduations with contract in hand (ie: Mickey Mantle) to keep these young players from signing with someone else.
That’s what the Yanks have always done amd it’s one of the reasons why people hate them.
The teams that receive corporate welfare (Luxury tax,Revenue sharing money)should be required to open their books to mlb,as well as spend a minimum of 70mm yearly.
Right now they have a blank check,and pocket the money!
Meh, let people discuss whatever they want…
I agree with GB7 on the Sox and Yankees. They both try to use the system in the way that is most effective to them. What’s wrong with that? Cashman could have offered arbitration and have had the chance at draft picks. He decided against it. Hopefully, that was the right decision.
Everyone spends so much time worrying about draft picks. In the last 15 years, I think three first round Yankees picks have contributed in the majors. It is a crap shoot. If they so choose, they can replace high draft picks by spending more money in the international market,or as noted above, spend well over draft slot money.
Sorry, its been a while since I’ve read up on FA/trades … anyone have a feel for whether the Yanks are/might/should consider signing Vlad Guererro for RF?
I know there’s been the Matt Holliday talk, the Damon/Matsui talk, Jackson’s progress, Melky/Gardner, and Swish is a good backup OF stuff etc. I’ve just been out of the loop since the WS.
Vlad’s getting older but he’s still got something left in the tank doesn’t he? Would he be worth 4 years or 3 plus an option? Would he demand 5, which I’d be skeptical about for a guy who’s going to be 35? I’d say 3 plus option at most but he’d obviously try to lock in for longer. Team’s trying to get younger and more athletic of course.
Henry’s just whining because he can’t add 15,000 seats to Fenway.
Henry’s just whining because that’s what everything Sox is all about.
m,
I’m doing better. I just got home Sat and it feels damn damn good. 8 weeks is too damn long.
Remember A-Rod’s monster game against the Rays on the last day of the season? I was hospitalized the next day.
Anywho, that’s too bad to hear about the boy who got it from the vaccine. It does happen but it is rare. I didn’t contract it that way. I got it from a simple cold.
It is called Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Just google it and you’ll find everything you’d want to read up on it, especially concerning the vaccines.
Lauren before the Santana trade this is an article written about the prospects the Mets would be giving up.
http://www.startribune.com/spo.....53476.html
Two pitchers who profile as no greater than a number 4, a CF with no bat and a minor leaguer who would be in the minors until at least 2010.
“Sorry, its been a while since I’ve read up on FA/trades … anyone have a feel for whether the Yanks are/might/should consider signing Vlad Guererro for RF?”
He only played 16 innings in the OF last year and never appeared as though he was moving very well when on the bases. Think he might be a DH the rest of the way.
Hell, he can’t add 150 seats…
vlad would be a terrible idea unlees it is as a dh for a year for a reasonable salary
GF,
Glad you’re feeling better.
Everyone spends so much time worrying about draft picks. In the last 15 years, I think three first round Yankees picks have contributed in the majors. It is a crap shoot. If they so choose, they can replace high draft picks by spending more money in the international market,or as noted above, spend well over draft slot money.
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I agree draft picks are often a crapshoot but the Yanks have put much more of an emphasis on the draft and developing their own under Cashman than they have in a very long time.
They’ve had much better luck with their picks since Cashman and Oppenheimer have put more of an emphasis on it.
I don’t think the draft picks are a big deal even if the Sox continue to draft well. For that same reason, I’m not so attached to our first round picks this year either. Simply put, the draft is not a do-or-die event for a large market team like the Yanks with money to spend on free agents, retention of homegrown players, scouting and international signees.
For the same reason I’m not worried about the Sox gaining 2 picks for Wagner, I wouldn’t hesitate to sign Rafael Soriano to a deal thus sacrificing picks since he’s classified as Type A. I’d even give him closer money. Mo is in the last year of his deal and we need an 8th inning guy for 2010 if Joba and Hughes are thrust into the rotation.
I’d offer Soriano 4 years, 32 million. He has pitched in the AL successfully and he’s the best reliever on the market. He’s still young but he has experience and poise.
Now why would tiger cheat on his wife. Has he looked at her lately, she aint Peg Bundy..
But…talking about Vlad Guerrero is absolutely forbidden!
GF,
Glad to hear that you’re home. Hope everything’s in order.
Thanks for the tips.
Got to agree with GF (there’s a real shock – there must be hope in the world, yet)on the reason for the institution of the draft was mainly because of the Yankees and to a lesser extent the Cards and Dodgers. The Yanks used to have up to 25 minor league teams in their system. They had at least two AAA teams that could beat most major league teams in the late ’40s thru the mid ’50s…the Newark Bears and the Denver Bears.
They stocked these teams with quality players and traded them off for players like Enos Slaughter, Bob Turley, Don Larson, Hector Lopez, Clete Boyer, Ralph Terry and Roger Maris. They even used teams like the KC A’s and Washington Senators to trade to young players so they could get Major League experiemce, and when players like Ralph Terry were ready, they’d trade for them again. It was no secret.
I think at this stage I might be more inclined to sign Dye than Vlad simply because I don’t trust Vlad to stay healthy.
I’d offer Soriano 4 years, 32 million. He has pitched in the AL successfully and he’s the best reliever on the market. He’s still young but he has experience and poise.
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I always hesitate to give any reliever a four-year deal unless his name is Mo. Hell, even K-Rod as a top notch closer only got a three year deal from the Mets last season.
Too volatile of a position to give Soriano that kind of cheese.
“He only played 16 innings in the OF last year and never appeared as though he was moving very well when on the bases. Think he might be a DH the rest of the way.”
Thanks Squidward … if that’s the scoop on Vlad then I’d rather re-sign Matsui.
GF,
If Soriano can be signed for less, I’m all for it.
Crouching Tiger
High priced has nothing to do with it. See Elliott Spitzer.
The only way Halliday does NOT get moved to the Yankees is if the Jays figure the prospect return is not enough to justify losing the two picks to the Yankees in 2011.
Roy is coming to the Yankees. Either in 2010, or 2011 as a free agent.
They are really the only team that meets his requirements, ie,
(1) proven willing to give a lot of money to an older pitcher (Sox are not, sorry)
(2) have a chance at multiple postseasons and WS
(3) are fun to play for right now (just call AJ, I’m sure he’s clued Roy in)
Cashman knows it, but can’t tamper. The Jays FO knows it, and are wondering how to maximize their return. The Sox FO knows it, but can’t say anything yet, or their fans will kill them. Best anyone but the Yankees can hope for right now is one year of him–just like CC.
I still say a creative use of Vernon Wells is going to be the way everyone saves face here.
You’re the Jays GM. Which would you prefer right now for the long term: 2 draft picks, or ridding yourself of Vernon Wells contract, or at least part of it?
A piece of Vernon Wells contract and Roy Halliday to the Yankees. Something like a decent AA prospect or two (Romine? Brackman?) to the Jays. Fans of Jays are mad, but when they understand the $13-14 million they are now saving yearly can be applied to other players, they are OK with it.
Just a question of when.
Fox sports list 6 RS to avoid,look at #1 and #3.
article:Free agents to avoid
http://www.msn.foxsports.com/mlb/
“I’d offer Soriano 4 years, 32 million. He has pitched in the AL successfully and he’s the best reliever on the market. He’s still young but he has experience and poise.”
Turns 30 in two weeks and has had some injury issues over the years. 4 and $32M seems a but much.
GB,
I don’t think we disagree all that often. I think we just disagreed vehemently on a couple of issues last offseason that created a little bad blood for awhile.
I tend to agree with 90% of your posts.
squidward December 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
“If the Mets handed Cashman mid-level draft choices for the middle of a donut, GMs and sportswriters would be steamed and demanding future remedies to halt such lop-sided transactions.”
Maybe, but so what? They can demand remedies til the cows come home. There wouldn’t be any.
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You can’t say that. The amateurs draft, itself, was specifically enacted to restrict the yankees ability to sign talent.
The luxury tax, revenue sharing, restrictions of FA are ALL devices that target the Yankees.
The league has already said they moving to enact a salary slotting schedule for amateurs draftees in the next collective bargaining agreement to stop loopholes that benefit, in part, the Yankees.
The Angels complained that the post season schedule unfairly favored the Yankees because it allowed them throw Sabathia 3 times in a 7 game series, and Selig agreed, saying he will redue future postseason schedules to eliminate the advantage.
Now there’s been discussion of adopting the NFL scheduling formula that penalizes winning teams and aides losing teams.
It never ends.
Oh yeah, forgot about the Sox.
Guess what? They and their picks are irrelevant. Call me in 2035 when they next win the WS.
Edit,meant “FA” to avoid
I always find it interesting how professional athletes are held to a higher standard than say movie stars or musicians..Brad Pitt can cheat on Jennifer aniston and nobody cares, its certainly not front page news. nobody cares what tom cruise makes for a movie or how much Bruce springsteen makes for a tour but arod gets killed for his salary.
gfd
Wow Fox says to avoid Aroldis Chapman and Jason Bay,They really slam Bay’s fielding as bad,painting him as a DH.
I don’t see Halladay coming to the Yanks via a trade.
Cashman doesn’t do that. Follow the model of the Teixeira, Sabathia, and Santana when they were on the trade market and that’s how Cshman is going to handle the Halladay sweepstakes.
He doesn’t like to “pay twice” for anyone. He waits until they become free agents to pounce on them.
As good as Haladay is, he’s getting up there in age. I’d rather see the Yanks go all out for King Felix when he’s free to go wherever he wants.
G. Franco Welcome Back
glad to see you are home and feeling better.
the only reliever I’d like them to go after would be mike gonzalez
Giuseppe Franco
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
GB,
I don’t think we disagree all that often. I think we just disagreed vehemently on a couple of issues last offseason that created a little bad blood for awhile.
I tend to agree with 90% of your posts.
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More of a personality clash. Happy that you’re shaking off your illness, GF.
Blake. Two husbands cheated on Halle Berry. SHe’s no Peg Bundy either.
I’d offer Soriano 4 years, 32 million. He has pitched in the AL successfully and he’s the best reliever on the market. He’s still young but he has experience and poise
No chance.
Nice pitcher but I think that in light of Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, Felix Rodriguez, Mike Myers, Ron Villone, Paul Quantrill, and Felix Heredia (and Damaso Marte’s lost season) Cashman is done giving long term deals to relief pitchers.
blake December 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Now why would tiger cheat on his wife. Has he looked at her lately, she aint Peg Bundy..
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I suspect that it is a simple case of wanting to have variety. I mean do we own the same car or home all of our lives? Or wear the same clothes all the time? It’s not natural.
Of course, one could just be honest with themselves and others (and their partners in particular) by just being upfront about it right from the start. I know of people that have very successful marriages that are also swingers and it works for them. One could also be involved in a polyamorous relationship as a couple or a single acting as a third, fourth…partner etc.
The problem is that the general public and corporate america is most likely not going to buy that image or the products that you are fronting for.
But, at least one could be true to who they are what their tastes are.
Monogamy is good too but Tiger most likely thinks that is just another piece of wood for his use.
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Crouching Tiger — Hiden Mistresses
Thanks for the video link about Tigers accident, VERY funny stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xaLaLHHms
blake December 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Now why would tiger cheat on his wife. Has he looked at her lately, she aint Peg Bundy..
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Just because you own a Porsche doesn’t mean you’ll never want test drive a new model, especially after a couple of years.
I mean, everyone gets bored.
There’s no way that NYY or any team is giving a middle reliever like Soriano 8 mil a year for 4 years….especially one that had arm issues.
I’m against spending on outside relievers.
Understood, GB. Thanks.
pittsburg, so you think the Yankees are gonna take on wells contract and halladay also. That would be ok if 1) wells rebounds a bit 2) Hal will approve a payroll increase. I’m not sure either one of those are happening. Wells could fill an outfield spot but they would still need money for pertite and a DH/outfielder. I can’t see them doing all thay without going way over 200M
Yanks aren’t gonna take on anyone else’s garbage.
Why is Henry making noise…
Bay will cost 80M+ or Halladay 90M+
Paplebon 10M next year
Beckett wants cc/santana money
Halladay will want cc/santana annual salary for 4-5 years
Youkilis, Lester & have back loaded deals
Martinez will want 13M+ like Posada
Youkalis & Ortiz have to be replaced somehow
^^^^^ This will start getting really expensive. Time to take out the checkbook Mr. Henry
Henry is also probably worried that if the owners try to address competitive balance, the small market owners will push for a higher % of total team revenues from the top teams. That hits the Yankees, Redsox, Mets, Cubs, Dodgers & Angels evenly. Most of those teams would be forced to lower payroll while the Yankees could stay at the same levels because of the new stadium.
blake
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
pittsburg, so you think the Yankees are gonna take on wells contract and halladay also. That would be ok if 1) wells rebounds a bit 2) Hal will approve a payroll increase. I’m not sure either one of those are happening. Wells could fill an outfield spot but they would still need money for pertite and a DH/outfielder. I can’t see them doing all thay without going way over 200M
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blake, I don’t think there’s any way the Yankees take on Wells contract.
According to Nielsen’s rankings, the Boston media market is 7th in the US, so Henry’s wrong about that. The actual 16th market would be Denver.
http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi
At the risk of getting slammed here, I don’t think men are wired to be monogomous for very long. The old adage is the seven-year itch, but I saw that anthropologically it’s really a four-year itch.
Add gobs of money, groupies, constant ego-stroking, and copious amounts of time away from the spouse to the fire and it doesn’t end well for the wives of the rich and famous.
jk,
great points. the red sox are going to have to give up at least two of the players you mentioned and find a bat.
they will also have to pay ellsbury.
I’m not buying this free agent middle reliever talk for the Yankees.
Cashman appeared to have learned from the Karsay/Farnsworth deals of the past and seemed somewhat committed to bringing the organizations top young arms up through the pen.
Right now, we have Mo, Marte, Robertson, Coke, Bruney, Aceves slated for the pen with the potential of one of Joba/Hughes going back there and a guy like Melancon taking the step up. That’s not counting the young guys in AA and AAA who can also make the step up to the pen next season at various points.
It just doesn’t make sense to sign a free agent reliever who is going to need at least 4 million and multiple years and cost your first round pick or in Lyon’s case your 2nd round pick.
The only reason I can see we are signing veteran arms for the pen is Cashman is expecting to trade some of the younger arms I mentioned above.
As for the Red Sox hoarding picks, don’t sweat it. If they sign any type A free agents they lose picks.
And as a lot of us know, those picks they make don’t always become all stars except in Peter Gammons’ gin soaked dreams.
That said, Minaya is a chump for trading away Wagner for garbage and forfeiting the chance to get the picks for paying the remaining months of his salary.
How the Wilpon’s don’t just walk up to him and slap him in the face at will is one of life’s great mysteries.
I think this whole Tiger Woods thing is nonsense – then again I also thought that all the attention that was paid to Alex’s relationship issues was nonsense.
Charles Barkley said it – athletes are not automatically supposed to be perfect role models. Without having any data to back it up I would imagine that the percentage of regular people cheat on their wives, husbands and taxes is similar to the percentage of famous people who do it.
I don’t think they will take on well’s either. That’s what I was saying..
Also, I don’t think all men are wired that way.. Just some and those men should just stay single.
“Youkalis & Ortiz have to be replaced somehow”
JK – Last I saw, Youkilis was still a damn good player with no decline in sight. I think you might have meant Lowell instead?
Agree on Ortiz though. If he doesn’t have a rebound year in ’10, and a good one at that, then he should retire to the DR and open a milkshake stand.
Giuseppe Franco
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Understood, GB. Thanks.
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Not a problem, GF. Hope the recovery continues. My mom’s 85 and is now recovering from swine flu. Not good for someone with only 30% of her heart being alive.
If the Yankees want to add a pitcher who could help out of the pen I would rather they signed Kelvim Escobar. He pitched tremendously out of the pen for a few years before he was moved back to the rotation. The Yankees could bring him in to compete for a spot in the back of the rotation and if he gets outpitched by Joba/Hughes then move him to the pen.
“Wow Fox says to avoid Aroldis Chapman and Jason Bay,They really slam Bay’s fielding as bad,painting him as a DH.”
In fairness, they did say the 4 years $60M offer made by Boston is a fair one for his services, but that a team would be crazy to exceed it.
ANSKY,
I meant Lowell & Ortiz
Chip-
Escobar has intrest in the Sox. accroding to Gordon Edes
blake
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I don’t think they will take on well’s either. That’s what I was saying..
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blake, forgive me. I saw “Yankees” and “Well’s contract” and my immediate reaction was “NO!!”
JK-
Why doesn’t Henry just build a new stadium to finance the payroll?
GB,
Sorry to hear about your mother’s illness. Hope her recovery continues as well.
Thanks for the well wishes from you and everyone else. I’ve been overwhelmed by the support of people – not only from LoHud – but everyone (friends, family, colleagues, etc, etc.).
Bret the Hitman
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
GF,
If Soriano can be signed for less, I’m all for it.
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if soriano is signed for 8 million it takes our payroll close to 180 million with concerns in lf,dh & starting pitching
signing pettitte & soriano for 18 million takes us to aroung 190 million with concerns in lf,dh & starting pitching
i dont think it is a good idea to tie up 8 million for a reliever with our payroll so high & all our prospects being options
i see robertson fitting in nice for the 8th or maybe joba if he can’t make it after another year in the rotation
on wfan mike saying cashman possibly viewing robertson as a starter??
what next?
looks like cervelli backing up po & ajax might make the team out of st maybe in lf & payroll will be lower
mel,
I beg to differ. Some of us men our happy with our women. Unless Haley Berry or one of the Jessica’s showed up at my door step shes safe. Im sure my wife would understand just like if Matt Damon or Jeter came for her.
cashman said we would like damon & matsui back on our terms
heyman will be on wfan
Mike summarizing the Cash breakfast yesterday:
1) Cervelli over Molina (tending that way anyway, as Cash isn’t sure Molina could play a lot if need be) but isn’t sure if Cervelli is ready
Budget will be lower than last year
2) Ajax could start year with the big club, even in LF
3) Robertson could (not likely, though) be a starter
4) Hughes still looked at as a starter
5) They want Damon and Matsui back at right price only
6) Not certain now if Joba is starter or reliever
7) Off-season revolves around Andy
I assume Cash is playing a pat hand re: the rotation. He’d already said before this (as did Joe) that they want to improve the rotation. Just re-signing Andy doesn’t do that, so…….
They must really like what Ajax showed them last year regardless of his lack of power…….
Very interesting and surprising re: Robertson
I thought the boston deal was rumored to be 4 years but was actually 5 years 60 million?
anyone listening to Mike’ Fs recap of the cashman discussion??
Ajax “could” be in left
Cervelli in
Robertson “could” start
No money for releivers
interestring stuff
oh and torre book is Garbage
Here’s the thing about Bay (and most players for that matter), a player might be a good fit for one team but not for another.
For example, Bay is a great fit in Boston where his defense is protected by the Monster and where the park and the ability to be “just one of the guys” takes the pressure off of him and maximizes his ability. Now Bay in Seattle (which is where I think he’s going) is not a good fit because of how big the park is and how much space he has to cover in the OF – also there’s no protection for him in the lineup so he would wind up in a similar situation to the one that Matt Holliday found for himself in Oakland.
SIDE NOTE
For those of you not listening to WFAN right now, Francesa is talking about stuff that Cashman went over at yesterday’s breakfast:
1. He will NOT sign any relief pitchers to big contracts
2. His major pitching move is going after Andy
3. Still sees Hughes as a starter, thinks Robertson could start, not sure what Joba’s role is going to be
4. Austin Jackson could be the starting LF; he will either start for the Yankees or start in AAA, will not be a bench player
5. Wouldn’t mind bringing back Damon and/or Matsui under certain terms
6. Cervelli will probably be the primary backup to Posada.
Good job Betsy!
pedroia maybe to ss for the rs
The stuff on Cashman is interesting but I take it with a grain of salt – Brian also said on the record about a dozen times last year that his budget was not big enough to sign CC and Tex.
“Why doesn’t Henry just build a new stadium to finance the payroll?”
Too difficult to navigate the city/state politics. Previous ownership made a run at a waterfront stadium 10 or so years ago and were thwarted.
So now that the Yanks took home the title. Who gets the team of the decade nod?
Our very own?
Sox?
Halos?
Cards?
Phils?
???
Do you count the 2000 title in this decade? If not, would going to the Series 3 times and winning once beat out going twice and winning twice?
I really wonder about the true financial health of the Red Sox organization.
They went with cheaper options for propping up their rotation last season, Henry is complaining about the revenue sharing (not that I don’t disagree with him on some of those point), they “don’t do long contracts”. They keep adding to the stadium and upping the ticket prices.
There was chatter going on about Henry losing a ton from his hedge funds. This year they are said to be looking at cheaper pitchers again, yet are not interested in Lackey at all.
Good stuff Betsy!
I think there’s a better chance I’m in the Yankee rotation next season than Dave Robertson.
That guy was made for the pen with his arsenal.
Not certain now if Joba is starter or reliever
If your uncertain. Please sign a starter.
S.O.S. I agree. I’ve never strayed and have been married to the same lovely woman for nearly 30 years.
Stealth at it again.
Bubba in center and Swish at first all over again. Decode it fellas. This means we are getting Halliday, Holliday, Lackey and Bay. Hughes and Joba 7th and 8th inning guys.
Budget shmudget.
There is absolutely no way the Yankees view Robertson as a starter. He has been a reliever his entire career and has 2 pitches and tenuous health.
Ajax in Left was a tweak toward Damon – I think.
What is the Robertson starting about? intriguing.
I assume he was a starter for most of his career.
“The stuff on Cashman is interesting but I take it with a grain of salt – Brian also said on the record about a dozen times last year that his budget was not big enough to sign CC and Tex.”
I think they made an exception last year because of the quality of talent available. For my money, that was a once every 10 years or so spending spree, even for the Yankees. Combination of money coming off the books with high end talent being available lent itself to the Yankees flexing their financial muscle like never before. Not enough of either this offseason to make a similar exception IMO.
Giuseppe Franco
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I think there’s a better chance I’m in the Yankee rotation next season than Dave Robertson.
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LOL. It would certainly be a surprise if they used him as a starter. He was incredible out of the pen.
Mike –
Well I’m pretty sure that they are going to give Joba at least half a season of starting with no restrictions before making any decision on him.
I do think that unlike two years ago Brian needs to bring in viable starters as insurance if he plans to go with both Hughes and Joba in the rotation to open the season.
Did Fracesca translate wrong?
did cash mean Aceves, Coke?
Phil has been adamant about no FA relievers for some time. I disagree both with Phil and Chip, but I can understand their point. No reliever is going to get a 4 year contract anymore, and certainly not at $8 mil per, but I could see a 2 year contract worth 3 or 4 million with possibly a team option on a third year being given for Mike Gonzalez. And would I like that to be a contract offered by the Yankees, sure.
Ok, I know we have in-house option, led by a ‘resurgent’ Damaso Marte, followed by converted starter Phil Coke and rookie Mike Dunn waiting in the wings, but from a talent standpoint, Gonzalez is proven whereas Coke has been shaky and Dunn is unproven.
I agree Chip. Who do you suggest ?
I think they made an exception last year because of the quality of talent available. For my money, that was a once every 10 years or so spending spree, even for the Yankees. Combination of money coming off the books with high end talent being available lent itself to the Yankees flexing their financial muscle like never before. Not enough of either this offseason to make a similar exception IMO.
You might be right – but if we get around Christmas and both Lackey and Holliday are sitting out there with no outlandish offers I could see Brian throwing out an offer to one/both of them and see if he can steal them away.
If he could get Lackey for slightly less than AJ money and Holliday for around 6 & $100 mil he might do it.
Maybe Francesa doesn’t know if Joba is a starter or not but the organization does.
They didn’t go through that much trouble during the season to keep his innings in check so he could pitch 200 IP next season just to abort the plan at the drop of a hat.
Unless Joba continues to struggle terribly over a span of months – he’s going to be a full time starter again for the duration of 2010.
Giuseppe Franco
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
GB,
Sorry to hear about your mother’s illness. Hope her recovery continues as well.
Thanks for the well wishes from you and everyone else. I’ve been overwhelmed by the support of people – not only from LoHud – but everyone (friends, family, colleagues, etc, etc.).
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Thanks, GF. Yeah, Ma’s doing just fine. She’s been keeping her doctors confused for 15 years. They told her she should have been dead since 1984. When this thing hit about a month ago, they told her to get everything in order. She’s home, doing fine and waiting for the great grandkids to come for Christmas. She’s just a feisty old lady and loves it. Walks the golf course next to her home every day. I think she steals golf balls and resells them.
I wouldn’t trust Mike Francesa to accurately represent anything Cashman said regarding Jobber.
Jerkface
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I thought the boston deal was rumored to be 4 years but was actually 5 years 60 million?
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i read it was 4/60 million
don’t think it was 5 years wich is only 12 million a year
could be wrong but don’t think so
i like how girrardi & cashman think even with pettitte back we need to strengthen the rotation & we don’t need to spend a lot of money for relievers
with joba,hughes,marte,robertson & many more minor leaguers we have enough
i would love to see a blockbuster trade for kf,jj,verlander if possible even if cano is needed
i think cashman signs pettitte & trades for or signs a pitcher & sits at that
signing pettitte & getting another pitcher has us around 190-198 million so if cash want’s to lower payroll & bring pettitte back while aquiring another pitcher i don’t see how we can bring damon or sui back.
lackey & pettitte adds around 25 -28 million to about 170 million
not saying we sign lackey but..
i can see ajax in lf,miranda dh’ing with posada,arod,pettitte back & us signing or trading for a starting pitcher
Why doesn’t Henry just build a new stadium to finance the payroll?
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John Henry continues to accept tax breaks from the City of Boston to remain in ancient Fenway Park.
The State of Massachusetts has their hands tied for years to come with lawsuits from the Big Dig Tunnel fiasco and can be of no help.
The city has bridges and roads in disrepair which takes precedence over a new baseball venue.
John Henry won’t take on a project on his own.
Joba is a strange case for the Yankees to try and figure out. He has had dominating stuff in some games, and complete meltdowns in others. I discount the problems that came up when he was being limited in his innings, as there was no real effective way to do it, and it showed.
Out of the pen he looked great, but is that because he got in better shape as a result of the season, and had enough rest to recover some of his energy?
I think he could be a very good starter. It hard to say if he his mentality is just not suited for it though. He has more of the warrior attitude about him as a reliever.
Robertson doesn’t seem likely as a starter. I think that could be a smoke screen. Same with AJax starting in left.
Cashman gave the real message to both Damon and Matsui. They can come back, but on the Yankees terms or they have other options.
I think the Yankees will be adding pitching for the rotation. It just seems that Cash isn’t comfortable going with 2 yutes in the rotation that still really haven’t proven they can handle it. I think Cash feels that Hughes is closer to being able to contribute than Joba.
Mike -
I’ve thrown the name Kelvim Escobar out there a few times. Brian can sign him to a decent contract and give him the chance to win a spot in the rotation. If he’s not able to beat out Hughes or Joba he can open the season in the pen (he has relieved nearly as many games as he started) and if Joba or Hughes falters during the season Escobar can be stretched out and inserted into the rotation – not an ideal situation but better than going with a Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin. You can give Escobar a deal along the range of 2 years 10 mil – in base salary with loads of incentives (different ones based on whether he starts or relieves)
The issue is that if you sign a Randy Wolf (ugh) or other healthy, established starter, is that you’re going to sign them to start – there is no wiggle room for a Hughes/Joba – one of them will either be at AAA or in the pen based on the money you have to give to a starter. If you sign a guy like Escobar you get a little more flexibility.
I would also consider strongly inking Ben Sheets.
I think Cash just went on a stream of consciousness rant like the Hybrid from BSG.
GB7 I Hope your Mom feels better.
She’s just a feisty old lady and loves it.
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GB7,
I guess the old saying is true. The apple dont fall far from the tree. I think she’s a step ahead of you in the business aspect. Reselling golf balls. How come i didnt think of that. Glad your mother is doing well.
So i saw G.I.Joe(at least thats what they call it)the movie last weekend. Havnt seen the cartoon in years and wanted to ask you old schoolers some questions. Wasnt Dukes accent southern in the cartoon? Didnt Cobra have a high pitch voice(thought i was listenting to Darth Vader)? Should have called the movie Swat 2.
GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Thanks, GF. Yeah, Ma’s doing just fine. She’s been keeping her doctors confused for 15 years. They told her she should have been dead since 1984. When this thing hit about a month ago, they told her to get everything in order. She’s home, doing fine and waiting for the great grandkids to come for Christmas. She’s just a feisty old lady and loves it. Walks the golf course next to her home every day. I think she steals golf balls and resells them.
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Gotta love those feisty old ladies. LOL. My mother is the same way – albeit a few years younger (66 yrs old).
Cheers to yours and all those other feisty old ladies out there who defy the odds. LOL.
“If he could get Lackey for slightly less than AJ money and Holliday for around 6 & $100 mil he might do it.”
Maybe, but I doubt it. Think of it this way. Right now the Yankees have $136M committed to their 2011 payroll. That’s payable to 8 guys plus Igawa. In your example, Lackey and Holliday go for about $33M per. Assume for the sake of argument, resigning Jeter and Mo runs another $30M. That’s $199M right there for 12 guys. Hughes and Joba hit arbitration that year and even if you could rely largely on guys like Ajax, Montero, and others from inside the organization to fill remaining spots, you’re probably up around $215M and quite possibly taking yourself out of what may be a very strong free agent class. I’d grant that by then maybe Hal approves a $240M budget, but I kind of doubt it.
bru, the initial reporting on what the Red Sox offered Bay said it was 60 Million for 4 years. One of the Boston papers had it as a 5 year deal. It was posted on MLB TradeRumors site. It was even noted in their summary about the 5 years instead of 4.
Phil December 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I wouldn’t trust Mike Francesa to accurately represent anything Cashman said regarding Jobber.
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Ditto.
Not to get into politics, but Massachusetts and its capital city are a banana republic. No surprise things are so screwed up that Fenway Park won’t be replaced in any of our lifetimes.
Speaking of Francesa, read the River Avenue Blues recap of the Cashman breakfast (posted yesterday).
Be sure to read the comments section–I could not stop laughing reading the comments about Francesa.
God bless your mom, GB.
S.o.S.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Stealth at it again.
Bubba in center and Swish at first all over again. Decode it fellas. This means we are getting Halliday, Holliday, Lackey and Bay. Hughes and Joba 7th and 8th inning guys.
Budget shmudget.
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lol
good one but i do think we lower payroll a little
i see us just under 200 million
sign pettitte,dh miranda/posada/arod,cervelli backup catcher,pena backup i.f.,sign or trade for the best pitcher we can get,look at ajax in st for the o.f. wich is exactly what we are doing.
cash said he might make the team out of st & could play lf
the concern i have is the core is getting old & we have an opportunity to make a nice run
we need to be smart & keep our focus on pitching
heyman on now
Hughes and Joba need to step up next year. Can’t have a repeat of 2008.
quite possibly taking yourself out of what may be a very strong free agent class.
I agree that is a risk you run, but we don’t know that talent pool in 2011 will be as deep as it looks now. Mauer, Victor, Beckett, Lee, Crawford, Halladay – they could all be off the market before this season ends.
Would I rather sign Mauer, Crawford and Lee than Lackey and Holliday? Of course; but would I rather have Lackey and Holliday than Werth and Lilly.
Cashman has no interest in trading Joba for Doc.
It is a pipedream.
Let’s concentrate on realistic possibilities, please.
Hughes did step up big last year. He struggled in the postseason but far exceeded expectations when you consider he started the 2009 season in the minors.
Fenway and Wrigley aren’t likely to be replaced in our lifetimes (well at least GB’s). I think that they’d keep Fenway the way it is because it’s quaint and so traditional. Something they could lord over the Yankees monolith with.
Post something new…. this lack of updates is killing my work day.
For example tell us what marianos favorite color is, or do some stories on what the yankees are like off the field etc.
Chip:
You are correct, sir. However, I think in general Cashman hopes to allow for some payroll flexibility. Carrying three guys at $23M plus and another three at $16M plus BEFORE signing Jeter in Mo to short term, but expensive contracts doesn’t seem to allow for it.
“You are correct, sir. However, I think in general Cashman hopes to allow for some payroll flexibility.”
I don’t think Cashman has anything to do with the payroll being slashed. I think it’s an ownership call.
S.o.S.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
She’s just a feisty old lady and loves it.
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GB7,
I guess the old saying is true. The apple dont fall far from the tree. I think she’s a step ahead of you in the business aspect. Reselling golf balls. How come i didnt think of that. Glad your mother is doing well.
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She takes her walks in the morning and takes this pathetic dog of hers and a little platic bucket with her. If she sees a golf ball, she picks it up and puts it in the bucket. When she gets home she sorts them into perfect, good and bad, then by the brand name.
Since I’ve never seen her collection, I asked her whether she was selling them. She never admitted to that, but, she didn’t deny it, either. She just smiles and chuckles. I figure she sells them for beer money or the slot machines on the boats on the Mississippi River around St. Louis.
I think that they’d keep Fenway the way it is because it’s quaint and so traditional.
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Lets not discount that Fenway keeps the rats and freinds from circulating through the surrounding area.
Thanks guys. Ma will appreciate the thoughts. She hates computers. Figures they were invented to annoy her.
I figure she sells them for beer money or the slot machines on the boats on the Mississippi River around St. Louis.
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lol GB. Just dont go blowing her cover to all her Friends trying to make money playing BINGO all night.
Carrying three guys at $23M plus and another three at $16M plus BEFORE signing Jeter in Mo to short term, but expensive contracts doesn’t seem to allow for it.
Again, I don’t disagree – I just tend to think that Cashman will say things like this to keep from being used as the “other team” in a bidding war for a player and then if someone dangles into what he determines is a reasonable price range he’ll pounce.
I don’t think the Yankees have a problem with such a large payroll in principle. They could probably comfortably go $220M as long as there’s a happy ending each and every year.
But I think they’d like to bring down payroll or at least pretend to try because it’s such a hot topic.
But the market is such that the Yankees should be able to dictate which players they’d like to bring in on shorter, cheaper terms.
“I don’t think Cashman has anything to do with the payroll being slashed. I think it’s an ownership call.”
Understood Craw. I’m not talking about setting budgets, I’m talking about having some flexibility within the budget and roster flexibility. If what Chip suggested actually happened and Mo and Jeter got 2 year extensions, you have neither.
“Understood Craw. I’m not talking about setting budgets, I’m talking about having some flexibility within the budget and roster flexibility. If what Chip suggested actually happened and Mo and Jeter got 2 year extensions, you have neither.”
If you guys think the Yankees are going to offer Jeter just a two year extension then I have a bridge to sell you.
I don’t agree with Mike Francesa often, but one thing I do agree with him that he stated yesterday. The Yankees will do whatever it takes to make sure that Jeter wears only a Yankee uniform and become the Joe D. iconic figure for this generation of Yankee fans. He’s the guy they will wheel out there 10-40 years from now anytime a Yankee event takes place.
Crawdaddy,
So do you think they offer Jeter the same amount of years left on Alex’s contract and have a gentlemens agreement to hang it up before it ends if/when his game falls off?
Cashman to Jeter: How many years and how much per year?
That should be the extent of the Jeter negotiation.
Abdababdaserser
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
S.O.S. I agree. I’ve never strayed and have been married to the same lovely woman for nearly 30 years.
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I’m also guessing you also aren’t a billionaire, aren’t on the road for 6-8 months out of the year, aren’t ridiculously famous, and finally don’t have millions of hot women passing you by while you’re in a restaurant with your caddy handing you their phone numbers and possibly notes of where to meet them in 30 minutes….
being an athlete, moviestar or musician (or politician)is a whole different world than being a really good regular joe who loves his wife…they don’t say “He parties like a rock star” to describe librarians…
jeter says he wants to play until he is 42. that is 6 years. after this year, 5/100 and then decide on that final year later.
I think Jeter’s contract will be negotiated by ownership with Cashman’s input. I wouldn’t be surprise if Jeter bought a minority interest in the Yankees when he retires and that they broach this possibility during these negotiations. I’m just speculating of course, but Jeter has stated beforehand he wants to be an owner and with so much money these players are making right now, he might be one of the first of a few players that become part of a ownership group after their playing careers.
I’m also guessing you also aren’t a billionaire, aren’t on the road for 6-8 months out of the year, aren’t ridiculously famous, and finally don’t have millions of hot women passing you by while you’re in a restaurant with your caddy handing you their phone numbers and possibly notes of where to meet them in 30 minutes….
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Yes on everything accept for
being a billionaire (enough to buy a good steak dinner)
On the road for 6-8 months (on the road daily for about 40 minutes x 362 days)
ridiculously famous (does mom count or my kids/parents at the football field count?)
having women hand my caddy phone number and where to meet(Do my kids at a miniture golf coarse holding my soda count?)
So see, i have had hot women pass me by in a restaurant before. Even with my wife sitting next to me. Hell iv had them take our order. I can relate.
If Tiger offers the Mrs. arbitration and she declines, this helps the Red Sox, right?
“I wouldn’t trust Mike Francesa to accurately represent anything.”
Fixed.
If Tiger offers the Mrs. arbitration and she declines, this helps the Red Sox, right?
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Then John henry can just sign her without giving up anything! SO YES
I love Jeter and all….but no position player deserves $20 Mill at 40+ years of age.
S.o.S.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I’m also guessing you also aren’t a billionaire, aren’t on the road for 6-8 months out of the year, aren’t ridiculously famous, and finally don’t have millions of hot women passing you by while you’re in a restaurant with your caddy handing you their phone numbers and possibly notes of where to meet them in 30 minutes….
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Yes on everything accept for
being a billionaire (enough to buy a good steak dinner)
On the road for 6-8 months (on the road daily for about 40 minutes x 362 days)
ridiculously famous (does mom count or my kids/parents at the football field count?)
having women hand my caddy phone number and where to meet(Do my kids at a miniture golf coarse holding my soda count?)
So see, i have had hot women pass me by in a restaurant before. Even with my wife sitting next to me. Hell iv had them take our order. I can relate.
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WHOA!!! you only have 3 days off a year? You gotta get a new job or it’ll kill ya!!!
maybe they can just pay jeter in Yankee stock.
Nick in SF December 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
If Tiger offers the Mrs. arbitration and she declines, this helps the Red Sox, right?
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She’s the Paul O’Neil of sports spouses – busted every water cooler in the mansion.
If Tiger offers the Mrs. arbitration and she declines, this helps the Red Sox, right?
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Nick,
Thats an easy one. Reading earlier posts,I believe they would recieve a couple first rounders. Anything that happens in the market/after market, the sox have rights to it.
One more aspect to Henry’s little complaint about revenue sharing,one that isn’t getting a lot of play but was commented on during the morning XM show. Both the Yankees and the Mets are getting a break from revenue sharing because of their new stadiums (stadia?). So, the revenue sharing pot will be smaller.
Also, look for luxury tax threshholds to be lowered if revenue sharing is cut or diminished. Now, teams like the Yankees will still spend more than the threshhold, but probably less than they do now. This is probably one reason why the Yankees are trying to lower their payroll – to keep it the same percentage above the threshhold, if the threshhold is lowered.
When I first heard Henry’s statements, I was like, wow, yeah, great, MLB will listen to him say what the Yankees cannot. But when you listen to ALL of it, the bottom line still comes down to the Yankees aren’t going to be allowed to spend the money they make without penalty.
Imagine you start to earn a lot of money through hard work, good investments, whatever. And then you start buying the best house in the neighborhood, the best car, the best everything. You are able to recruit the best people to your business because it is the best and you are willing to pay them a good salary to put up with the extra pressure of working for a company that’s driven to stay the best. And all of a sudden Joe Schmoe company decides it isn’t fair, even though he stopped investing in his own company and/or employees a long time ago. And he decides that you should pay him to stay in business.
I understand that it’s a little different. In business if you don’t keep up you WILL be driven out of business. Baseball wants to keep all its franchises in business to spread the “fun” around, as if every market is entitled to its own team.
I think there are now more teams than baseball can support. And I don’t think contractionw ould be a bad thing. but I live in central NJ and there are 3 teams within a fairly reasonable drive and another 3 teams within just a larger radius. BUT it seems fairly obvious which teams don’t get people to the park – could it be that the very people you want to attend the games just aren’t all that interested? Because every team can’t be a winning team.
I sometimes get the feeling that MLB won’t be happy until there are 32 teams at .500 and there are two months of playoffs to decide which mediocre team gets to call itself the best. Or maybe they’ll just rotate the trophy from year to year.
It’s just crazy to me that teams that do run themselves well, that do invest in their team and in marketing their brand, are penalized.
Rafael Soriano is a ‘middle reliever’? haha. That’s pretty funny. And then someone puts him in the same sentence as Ron Villone… don’t know what to say.
Granted Soriano won’t get closer money in this market even though he’s looking for it, I’d still sign him and would be willing to go a 4th year. Marte got 3 years last year. Soriano is younger and has much better stuff. He has closer stuff.
I’m not sold on Robertson as a setup guy next year. He’s solid but still very young and combustible. Marte could possibly set up, but he’s not likely to replace Mo whereas Soriano could step in as the closer after Mo retires.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I’m not running Mo out of town, I just think it’s wise to have a backup plan.
Soriano is the guy.
If the Yankees sign Holliday and trade for Granderson, they’d be upgrading the entire outfield defense (since Melky would move to LF and Swisher would become the DH) in addition to bolstering the pen with Soriano to go along with a healthy Marte and a more seasoned Robertson.
If the Yankees upgrade the defense and the pen and maintain the offense, the rotation becomes less of problem once Andy returns.
It’s the same rotation essentially with a hope that Wang returns and a continued trust in Hughes and Joba.
“If Tiger offers the Mrs. arbitration and she declines, this helps the Red Sox, right?”
Phil Mickelson will get negative 2 compensation strokes in the next major.
edit: Melky to RF
S.o.S.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Yes on everything accept for
being a billionaire (enough to buy a good steak dinner)
On the road for 6-8 months (on the road daily for about 40 minutes x 362 days)
ridiculously famous (does mom count or my kids/parents at the football field count?)
having women hand my caddy phone number and where to meet(Do my kids at a miniture golf coarse holding my soda count?)
So see, i have had hot women pass me by in a restaurant before. Even with my wife sitting next to me. Hell iv had them take our order. I can relate.
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LMAO. You’re a brave man if your wife was sitting there and you noticed a hot woman. You’d most likely have bruised shins from the under the table kicks.
I was smart enough that when the little woman asked me if i thought she was pretty, I’d always ask, “Who?”. She’d point out the hottie in question and I’d answer, “No. I can’t ever imagine why anyone would want that scag.” Do you think I’ll go to Hell for lying?
Nick,
Changing the subject for a second. Have you been watching Heroes? Its been aweful IMO. Im about to ban it all together next season.
n.t.s.s.,
My bad. I thought having to take them out on weekends could count as extra charicular weekend activities/work.
So what did Heyman say?
There will be no problems with Jeter and the Yankees when it comes to his contract……They have a great relationship and both sides want to work things out. I’m confident they will do so to the satisfaction of all concerned.
Is Tiger Woods really a sex symbol?
I don’t get it.
I mean, I am not gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that)but if I was in prison, I would not want Tiger Woods to be my cellmate.
All this talk about Rafael Soriano is kind of silly. The one concrete thing Cashman has said this offseason is that he is not going to spend a lot of money on relief pitching.
Soriano is going to make bank this winter and it’s not coming from New York.
While I tend to not agree with much Francesa says, I think he’s spot on when he says that the Mets will sign Ben Molina – the only reason Omar hadn’t done it yet was because he wanted to see if it would cost him a draft pick – now that San Fran has decided not to make him an arbitration offer I think a deal with Molina will come quickly.
I think the Mets end up with Molina and Joel Pinero and both wind up as awful signings – but that’s their problem not mine.
Ken Rosenthal last night suggested on MLB Network’s Hot Stove that Chone Figgins will wind up in LF for the Yankees – to which I say “good lord I hope not.” Figgins might be a nice speedy guy but after watching him in the playoffs the guy has no idea how to a) work a count or b) hit in situations. Someone is going to grossly overpay for him – I just hope it’s not the Yankees.
Heyman said the mets dropped 2 years 16 mil on Bengie Molina, thus continuing to prove their growing irrelevance in baseball outside of tragicomedy
i have a question. if lincecum asks for and gets $20 million in arbitration from the giants and they can’t afford it, can they trade him or do they have to trade others from their roster?
Matt Cain would look quite nice in pinstripes
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
S.o.S.: I do not watch that show, so I can’t comment.
I fear that Tiger’s wife’s twin sister is the forgotten victim here… the Ozzie Canseco, if you will. Poor gal.
Hey Chip, we finally agree on a possible LF for the Yankees! Neither of us want Chone Figgins!!
The dude is so overrated by New Yorkers because he usually does well against us. He had a career year in 2009 and someone is going to overpay him. He’s one of 3 or 4 free agents that will get a 4 year or more deal and in his case, he won’t deserve it.
Whats Jeter gonna do after baseball?
As hyper-competitive as he is, he’s gonna go nutz
Other players have a kids to take up their attention, but not Jetes.
I know he wants to go to college, but cramming for a Trig exam in Ann Arbor isn’t exactly diving for a shot in the gap.
Figgins has been overrated for years and I think its because he’s good on a fantasy team (position eligibility). He steals bases and would be a great utility guy but that’s about it. Damon is a much much better hitter
The Giants are paying Barry Zito insane money, you think they can’t afford to pay Lincecum what he deserves?
Joe Girardi went out of his way to emphasize that the Yankees need pitching and Cash has said that that is what they are focusing on (that and LF/DH). I can’t believe that that only means re-signing Andy. I don’t think the Yankees will trade Joba, Phil or Montero for Doc, but if the Jays like some of their other prospects, the Yanks might consider giving up more (this way, they’d keep the guys they love best). Who really knows? I think there is more of a budget for the starting lineup than there is for the rotation.
GF, I’m so glad that you are back home – I can’t imagine how you must feel to be out of the hospital. I do disagree with you about the Yankees holding back for Felix. They were able to not trade for Santana because there was almost a 100% chance that CC was going to hit FA (and not re-sign with the Brewers). We can not say the same about Felix, whenever he’s going to hit. He could easily re-sign with the Ms…..and who’s to say he would want to come to NY anyway? I understand wanting to hold onto the top prospects, but if you can get Doc for not too steep a price, I do think you do it. Mostly, I don’t believe in waiting on guys to hit FA. Not only might they not want to come to NY, but there will be other suitors…….
Yankees need to be careful about trading their young pitching. It can’t be like the 80′s when they had nothin in the system. (And, Tiger needs to get a grip because he really gave his wife the shaft ! )
Evan,
Jetes said in his Sportsman of the Year interview that he wants to be an owner someday.
I’m not sure about that, he’s rich but is he that rich? Maybe he could be a partial owner somewhere. However he went on to say that he wanted to stay involved in baseball for the exact reason you talk about, he loves the competitiveness.
Jeter’s not the smartest guy on the planet but look at some of the managers today, I’m sure Jetes could get a coaching job somewhere. Heck who knows, maybe he will own a team one day, that would be awesome.
Did the Mets sign Bengie Molina?
I can see jeter managing but I also think he would be great in TV as an Analyst. He’s a great speaker and if I was an ex athlete that’s what I would want to do. Those guys have it made, they talk about baseball and get paid for it. kirk herbstreet has the best job in America..
“Heyman said the mets dropped 2 years 16 mil on Bengie Molina, thus continuing to prove their growing irrelevance in baseball outside of tragicomedy”
Jeez! He took it, right?
GB7,
No one said i was staring at those pretty women. Im not that dumb. My wife a strong minded women and would eat me alive.
LOL at the no i didnt even see her comment. Not to toot my own horn, but i consider myself a good looking man and my wife would say im going to go kick that girls you know what. Cause she would be staring at me. I would always say WHAT GIRL? Keep in mind, it was usually the only hot one that the naked eye can detect. So long story short, I would like to know the answer to that hell question.
Bronx Jeers December 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Is Tiger Woods really a sex symbol?
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No.
Famous people, especially very rich famous people get alot of attention. Look at Donald Trump – he’s old, fat, goofy looking, with a horrible comb-over and abusive personality, but he get hot chicks cuz he’s rich.
I only attract 8s or above.
My guesses on some FA’s:
Benji Molina – Mets
Matt Holliday – Orioles
Jason Bay – Seattle
Rick Ankiel – Boston
John Lackey – Boston
Xavier Nady – St. Louis
Chone Figgins – Angels
Rafael Soriano – Angles
Mike Gonzalez – Nationals
Joel Pinero – Mets
Randy Wolf – Nationals
Ben Sheets – Yankees
Danys Baez – Yankees
Jermaine Dye – Yankees
Johnny Damon – Atlanta
Hideki Matsui – Chi Sox
Nick Johnson – San Fran
Adrian Beltre – Philly
Mark DeRosa – St. Louis
Jose Valverde – St. Louis
Troy Glaus – Atlanta
Hank Blalock – Baltimore
Danys Baez – Yankees
Jermaine Dye – Yankees
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This is a disaster, why would you guess this
S.O.S. -
I think lying to protect your wife’s self esteem actually helps keep you out of that place!
GF -
Glad to hear you’re home. I hope your health continues to improve.
“I can see jeter managing but I also think he would be great in TV as an Analyst. He’s a great speaker and if I was an ex athlete that’s what I would want to do. Those guys have it made, they talk about baseball and get paid for it. kirk herbstreet has the best job in America..”
I don’t see Jeter managing or coaching. He wouldn’t like the travel and if he ever gets married and has a family, his kids would be a lot younger than most retired players kids because he married late in his career.
I can see Jeter having a minority interest in some baseball team and with other business interests. Chances are, he will make over 300M in his playing career which doesn’t count any of his endorsement money nor his other business investments.
Jerkface -
Cashman has said he doesn’t want to give up big compensation for a relief pitcher – Baez won’t cost much and doesn’t cost a draft pick so he fits in that regard. I’m not penning him in as the “bridge to Mo” but I think he’ll be a veteran arm out there – kind of a 1 year 1 mil contract or something (sorry, should have spelled that out)
As for Dye – Yankees seem to love him. They want a DH who can play the field a little (which Dye can) and they think he can also play a little 1b. If Matsui and Damon outprice themselves Dye would be a fine alternative.
Dye is 36 and hit .250/.340/.453 last season and is a righty, so he’d be hurt by NYS.
Passsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. I hope the yankees look at Nick Johnson if they want someone able to play the field.
“I only stalk 6s or above.”
fixed for you
There’s no way shes a 6.
I’m TIRED of hearing about how every team won’t generate what the Yankees can.Here’s my answer to that.
Big Stein bought a depleted Yankees team,that was neglected and a $8mm tax write off for CBS.
He built the team,a network,marketed a rivalry(original rivals Brooklyn Dodgers moved west,)brought in good/great players,got the NY Yankees fan based behind the team,by promising a WS within 3 yrs and delivered.
All this without CORPORATE WELFARE!! It can be duplicated.
Saying Dye can play the field a little is like me saying pigs can fly a little
Jermaine Dye was directly responsible for Melky Cabrera hitting for the cycle.
Jerkface
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Jermaine Dye was directly responsible for Melky Cabrera hitting for the cycle.
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LOL. Anyone who thinks Dye would help need only watch that play. He’s a shell of what he USED to be – a very good outfielder. He also is a big swinging righty. Not a match on any count for the Yankees.
Jerkface
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Jermaine Dye was directly responsible for Melky Cabrera hitting for the cycle.
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LOL. I was at that game!!
Dye Hard: A New Hope?
No thank you.
Again – when I say that Dye “can” play the field I’m not suggesting he go out there every day. What I’m saying is that you can hand the guy a glove and stick him out there if Alex or Tex or Jorge has a day where they need to DH and not worry about him breaking – I’m a big fan of Hideki – but there is no one on this board, no Yankee fan, no Yankee employee – who can say the same about Matsui – heck, Hideki hits a double and he limps for the next three days.
And as for Dye not doing well in the stadium because he’s a righty – well that’s bunk – everyone hit in the park last year regardless of the side they swing from.
Makes no sense for these young guys to get married while they’re in their prime and still have “wild oats to be sowed”
Just another example of how much of a genius Jeter is.
“What Would Jeter Do?”
That should be the mantra of all these young, rich superstars.
Dye has a big fork sticking out of his back. They won’t sign him.
Sweeney on with Francesca:
**When Cash went to Atlanta, he told the team that they need to get back to being “the Yankees”, instead of letting no-name pitchers have their way with them
**The “ring” players intimidated other newcomers; he wanted last year’s new guys to be comfortable and not have to tippytoe around the clubhouse
**The “room” changed with CC, AJ, Tex…..the new guys came in and acted like it was their team as well.
Ecellent point Bronx Jeers. I remember people wondering why Jeter hasnt gotten married when Alex got hitched. Im sure those people now see why. Get it all out while your young. Once your hair turns Richard Gear on you. It might be time to find THE ONE.
“There’s no way shes a 6.”
I’m assuming that wasn’t your first rodeo
Dye has been worth -20 runs or more every year in RF for the past 4 years. Matsui could provide that same level of defense, no doubt in my mind, and be a better hitter while he does it.
Knee problems can have lingering effects, Jason Bay’s defense has been completely destroyed due to knee injury, but I think its blown way out of proportion with Matsui.
I think he could survive 10-20 games in the outfield if you really want to rest the LFer that much.
Phil -
27 HR, 81 RBI…
I’m assuming that wasn’t your first rodeo
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slumpbuster
http://wwww.Yanksblog.com is linking to a foxsports.com article: Yankees have interest in former bosox pitcher Brandon Lyon,currently with the Tigers,for long relief.Article is sourced by ken Rosenthal,and Paul Morosi.
Also, newyorkblips.dailyradar.com/sports, carries the article under the sports tab.
Phil -
27 HR, 81 RBI…
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And it only took him 50 less ABs than Matsui to supply 1 less HR and 9 less RBIs, while walking the same amount.
I meant 50 more ABs than Matsui. Dye sucks. Bring back Matsui if you want a guy that can’t field.
Brandon Lyon? so maybe they deal Mitre or Aceves to Toronto, keep Phil and Joba, and send ajax or montero or others from the minor leagues along with Mitre or Aceves to toronto. Mitre or Aceves can start for Toronto.
I’m assuming that wasn’t your first rodeo
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lol!
Mark Grace votes this as the funniest post of the day.
“Once your hair turns Richard Gear on you. It might be time to find THE ONE.”
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Hair’s generally not the problem. As long as you still have it of course.
Should be: “Once your face gets all Mickey Rourke”
Sign Andy Pettitte and give me 2 of the following: Nick Johnson, Milton Bradley, Curtis Granderson, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Mike Cameron
Offseason over
LMAO. You’re a brave man if your wife was sitting there and you noticed a hot woman. You’d most likely have bruised shins from the under the table kicks.
I was smart enough that when the little woman asked me if i thought she was pretty, I’d always ask, “Who?”. She’d point out the hottie in question and I’d answer, “No. I can’t ever imagine why anyone would want that scag.” Do you think I’ll go to Hell for lying?
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GB7, My Pastor says you can go to hell for lying just like you can for stealing LOL
Patrick,
I would take one of Damon and Matsui. Not both. IMO Damon should be a dh from this point on. Taking the field occationally. I take it that your o.k. with having two youngsters at the back of our rotation? Can we trust both Hughes and Joba?
“I would take one of Damon and Matsui. Not both. IMO Damon should be a dh from this point on. Taking the field occationally. I take it that your o.k. with having two youngsters at the back of our rotation? Can we trust both Hughes and Joba? ”
i’ll respond in new thread that’s up