Girardi: “I know it’s going to take time”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2009 
Print This Post
| 
Email This Post
That pull quote in the headline is probably not what you want to hear, but the fact is Joe Girardi is waiting just like everyone else.
“There’s not a lot going on right now and you want to know what you’re going to have going into spring training,” Girardi said this morning before being honored by the March of Dimes. “As you saw last year, a lot of guys didn’t sign until real late and there were a lot of good players signing late. I know it’s going to take time. We did a great job at the winter meetings and we got some great players last year, and we’ll try to do the same thing.”
Girardi, though, has been in constant contact with general manager Brian Cashman and will fly to Tampa in the coming days to meet with the rest of the Yankees decision makers about an offseason strategy.
“We talk a couple of times every day,” Girardi said. “We’re going to have some meetings here in the next couple of days and talk about some more things and start gearing up for the Winter Meetings.”
The Winter Meetings begin on Monday, at which point things might start to heat up.
“There are some pretty good players out there,” Girardi said. “Obviously as a manager, you’d like to have everyone.”
• Girardi labeled Andy Pettitte as “someone we’re very, very interested in.” He also ackowledged that the Yankees rotation is in better shape this year than it was last winter and said Pettitte’s usual decision-making delay shouldn’t hurt the Yankees offseason strategy. “I got the sense at the end of the season that he wasn’t done,” Girardi said. “But sometimes when you go home, you talk about some things with your family. I’m sure he’ll prepare like he’s going to pitch.”
• As for the designated hitter opening, Girardi said he does like the idea of a DH that can play the field, but he also said the Yankees were able to rest their regulars even with Hideki Matsui limited to DH duties. “I could see it working well either way,” Girardi said. “The nice thing we were able to do last year, when we played Hideki about five out of every seven days, is we were able to give Alex a day, Jeter a day, Tex a day every once in a while, Johnny a day. And I do like that, because it’s a way to keep them in the lineup but still giving them a blow and I found that extremely beneficial to the guys.”
• On the series of Roy Halladay rumors: “We don’t know if he is going to be moved or not. Whoever he goes to, he’s going to be extremely valuable. He could make a significant impact.”
• Girardi said he hasn’t asked for a contract extension and isn’t worried about managing in the last year of his contract. “I’ve done it as a player,” he said. “I’ve gone into the first year of a contract and it hasn’t always turned out great, so it doesn’t bother me. I’m under contract, I’m very happy with that, I feel that I’m very fortunate to be under contract. We’ll worry about that when it’s time.”
• Finally, one last word on the sliding practice with Mark Sanchez. Girardi had gone to the stadium “to play” with his son Dante — how cool is that? – then they got the call about going to Jets practice. “If he doesn’t do well, Dante taught him,” Girardi said. “If he does do well, I taught him.”
My man Joe G
“The nice thing we were able to do last year, when we played Hideki about five out of every seven days, is we were able to Alex a day, Jeter a day, Tex a day every once in a while, Johnny a day. And I do like that, because it’s a way to keep them in the lineup but still giving them a blow and I found that extremely beneficial to the guys.”
This is why I think they very much want a DH who can play the field without falling apart physically. If they bring back Matsui and want to give Jeter a day or Alex a day or Tex a day at DH then they are losing Matsui’s bat that day.
Now the one issue is that even if the Yankees bring in another OF to play mostly at DH then you’re still going to lose a bat when Jeter or Alex DH’s
Good stuff.
Joe G is really coming into his own as Yankee manager.
Francesser says the Yanks played in front of 7.6M this year home and road, which dwarfs the Cubs who were second.
giving them a blow – I hate when he uses that expression
Two posts in one day? Chad’s working hard!
giving them a blow – I hate when he uses that expression
-
He’ll have to stop now that he has braces
Sign Andy Pettitte and give me 2 of the following: Nick Johnson, Milton Bradley, Curtis Granderson, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Mike Cameron
Offseason over
MILTON BRADLEY=NO Fing WAY!!!! HE IS A HEADCASE!!!
“I would take one of Damon and Matsui. Not both. IMO Damon should be a dh from this point on. Taking the field occationally. I take it that your o.k. with having two youngsters at the back of our rotation? Can we trust both Hughes and Joba? ”
I disagree, Damon can still play LF for another 1 or 2 years.
Yes I’m ok with Joba and Hughes in the rotation. That’s what I’d prefer, in fact I’d probably be against trading for Halladay even for Joba straight up
I could live with that but I don’t like the idea of Damon at DH. He is a cool LF but he doesn’t pack enough firepower as a DH. Also his stats as a DH suggest he isn’t a good one, though that could be due to him DHing primarily when injured.
I love just saying Milton Bradley’s name on this blog. All the kiddies go berserk at the mere mention of his name.
MILTON BRADLEY=NO Fing WAY!!!! HE IS A HEADCASE!!!
–
Such a headcase that he gets on base and mashes dingers all the way to the bank!
Yankee Stadium should serve mashed dingers.
Milton Bradley ! Can you imagine the corny stuff Sterling would come up with if we get him and he hits home runs.
ooOOOHHH Milton Bradley PARKS ONE in PARK PLACE!
Such a headcase that he gets on base and mashes dingers all the way to the bank!
——
Did they Yankees ever win with Gary Sheffield?? Nope…..
Cries of racism and an enraged Milton Bradley would assault John Sterling when he screams “Go right to jail!”
Patrick -
1. Why? Why, why, why, why would you possibly think that adding Milton Bradley would be a good thing for the Yankees?
2. Why would you want a CF with diminishing range that is completely ineffective against LHP and a big contract?
3. If you only bring back Andy how does that improve a rotation that was very close to having Chad Gaudin make a playoff start?
4. Someone is going to offer Nick a chance to play 1b
5. Mike Cameron does not help the team get any younger.
So in short – I respect your opinion – but couldn’t disagree with it more.
Yes, bring back Andy – but your list of other players…good lord.
oh that is a good one ! We should get him just for the John Sterling entertainment value.
Did they Yankees ever win with Gary Sheffield?? Nope…..
–
Did they win the 3 years before they had Sheffield? The 2 years after he left? Weren’t they a game away from the World Series with sheffield in 2004?
Damon can still play LF for another 1 or 2 years.
I agree – he can play LF for another 1 or 2 years, but they will need to create the position of short left fielder so he can get the ball back to the infield for that to happen.
Dude, Chip, you wanna bring in Brad Hawpe! At least Granderson can play defense and has speed, he is a black brad hawpe and the team needs to get blacker.
Granderson, Bradley, trade for Edwin Jackson.
Team infinitely blacker and better.
Yankee Stadium should serve mashed dingers.
—————————————————
Bangers & Mash ! (a real dish)
http://gmonteith.files.wordpre.....ndmash.jpg
Damon’s tough at bats will be hard to replace or duplicate. Same with Matsui. They’re torture on the opposing pitcher.
jerkface
might i say “huh?”
Patrick -
You can’t sit there and type that Damon can play LF for another 1 or 2 years and then say Jermaine Dye can’t play RF at all…I mean you can I suppose, but not if you want to be taken seriously.
Jerkface -
No Milton Bradley.
Francesser has also shared some of the insights that Cash shared during their breakfast gathering at the Hard Rock. Some fascinating stuff.
“1. Why? Why, why, why, why would you possibly think that adding Milton Bradley would be a good thing for the Yankees?
2. Why would you want a CF with diminishing range that is completely ineffective against LHP and a big contract?
3. If you only bring back Andy how does that improve a rotation that was very close to having Chad Gaudin make a playoff start?
4. Someone is going to offer Nick a chance to play 1b
5. Mike Cameron does not help the team get any younger.
So in short – I respect your opinion – but couldn’t disagree with it more.
Yes, bring back Andy – but your list of other players…good lord. ”
1. Because he “gets on base and mashes dingers” the dude can hit
2. Granderson does not have diminishing range and he doesn’t have a big contract. True, he can’t hit lefties but he’s still leaps and bounds better than Melky.
3. Hughes goes back in the rotation obviously
4. Ok I don’t care, that doesn’t stop me from wanting him at DH.
5. Getting younger just for the sake of getting younger is the dumbest idea possible. Mike Cameron is better than Melky Cabrera by a long shot. He is one of the top 5-7 CF’s in the league. Plus he would probably sign a 1 year deal which is good.
I agree – he can play LF for another 1 or 2 years, but they will need to create the position of short left fielder so he can get the ball back to the infield for that to happen.
=======
Then we need to trade for Manny immediately!!
Am I the only person in here that thinks Damon sucked in the outfield this year? Hell, I would prefer to sign Ankeil to play the field than Damon.
Patrick,
I dont know if Joba is better fitted for the pen or a starter anymore? Im not as confident in that rotation as you are. I also hope Hughes does as good starting as he did in the pen as well. I didnt see much in secondary pitches from him.
The only reason the Yanks didn’t win with Sheffield is because someone else’s XBH bounced over a fence. They would have won with Sheffield if that didn’t happen.
Damon can play LF for three years, but he probably can’t play it very well for more than one year.
Rich,
you mean the clubhouse stuff?
True, Phil, and the same goes for Giambi and Moose, but the starting pitching began to decline after 2003, which reduced their margin for error.
Jerkface -
That could be the dumbest thing I have ever read…and I’ve read some very dumb things.
I’m not even going to touch the racial aspect of your post because it was just that insanely stupid.
But on Hawpe vs. Granderson (color aside) As bad as Hawpe is against LHP he is still much better than Granderson. Trading for him won’t cost nearly as much in terms of prospects as trading for Granderson and his contract isn’t even close to being as bad.
“Chip: but they will need to create the position of short left fielder so he can get the ball back to the infield for that to happen.”
Derek Jeter serves that purpose very well…..
It sure did, but they could have bashed their way to another title or so over that time.
Milton Bradley connects for all 4 bases with a home run!
Bradley BREAKS THE ICE !
Guess Who? Its Milton Bradley! And he just hit a graaaaand slaaaaaaaam OHH
Milton Bradley is hungry as a hippo for homers!
Milton Bradley has released the OMEGA VIRUS, and the opposing team is sick to their stomachs looking at the score! Yankees lead, 10-2
YAHTZEE!!
Patrick- sorry but your way off on Mike Cameron. He’s not even close to being a 5-7 top centerfielder in the game.
He doesn’t hit for average. has a low onbase percentage. and strikes out way too much.
He’s not better than Melky . maybe defensivley thats about it
Phil,
That, but also that George gave him power from 1998-2002, but then reasserted himself and made all the decisions until 2006. Also that some of the coaches were reluctant to tell Jeter to change his preparation at SS (which Cash didn’t know at the time), but once Cash talked to him, he was very receptive to his suggestions.
Damon was 37.4 UZR/150 in 2007, 11.6 in 2008, and -12.1 in 2009. Unless he continues that curious decline into the -20′s, he will be a better defender than Dye.
Also Granderson was 3x as valuable as Hawpe going by WAR due to his bat being good for his position and his defense and speed he provides. He is a better overall player than Hawpe.
Brad Hawpe is not a better player than Curtis Granderson.
Really, just stop, you are embarrassing yourself.
He’s a bad OF, can’t hit LH pitching, and is a complete product of Coors Field.
Look at Granderson’s seasons from 2007-2008 and get back to me as to who is the better player.
Curtis Granderson is one of the 5 best CF’ers in the game. Brad Hawpe isn’t even in the Top 10 of corner OF’s except in your imagination.
The fixation you have of loading the Yankee team with Colorado Rockies players makes no sense to anybody with any baseball knowledge.
Sometimes, those who live and die by stats should learn how to use them properly.
Mike Cameron was top 4 by WAR
Cash also said that he wants to run the Yankees like the Twins, but with a much bigger payroll.
I have a good feeling about Granderson and the Yanks.
“You can’t sit there and type that Damon can play LF for another 1 or 2 years and then say Jermaine Dye can’t play RF at all…I mean you can I suppose, but not if you want to be taken seriously. ”
Johnny Damon UZR -
2006: -11.6 (last full year in CF)
2007: 4.8 (split between LF and CF)
2008: -1.1 (split between LF and CF)
2009: -9.2 (left field)
total: -17.2
2009 was his only bad year while in LF. In 2007 and 2008 he was a positive defender while in LF.
Jermaine Dye UZR -
2006: -22.5 (right field)
2007: -21.6 (right field)
2008: -19.4 (right field)
2009: -20.0 (right field)
total: -83.4
Well at least he’s consistent.
Yeah Jermaine Dye is the same as Johnny Damon. Keep telling yourself that
Cameron isn’t a guy you build a team around, but for the yankees his defense would be valuable and his bat is good enough to play in the lineup.
Also striking out a lot as a negative is overrated.
“Damon was 37.4 UZR/150 in 2007, 11.6 in 2008, and -12.1 in 2009. Unless he continues that curious decline into the -20’s, he will be a better defender than Dye.”
The trendline worries me, but yeah, he’s better than Dye.
Granderson does not have diminishing range and he doesn’t have a big contract. True, he can’t hit lefties but he’s still leaps and bounds better than Melky.
If being better than Melky is the barometer then there are about a dozen other available guys who are a) younger than Cameron, b) easier to get than Granderson.
Granderson’s contract over the next four years 2010:$5.5M, 2011:$8.25M, 2012:$10M, 2013:$13M club option ($2M buyout)- that’s not exactly a good contract.
Milton Bradly can get on base, he can hit – what he can’t do are: Stay healthy, get along with any teammate he’s ever had, be counted on to not go insane. Pass.
You can want Nick Johnson to be the DH here all you want, I’m just saying that there’s as much a chance of that happening as there is of Benji Molina being the the NYY DH.
The only issue with Granderson is the price.
Milton Bradly can get on base, he can hit – what he can’t do are: Stay healthy, get along with any teammate he’s ever had, be counted on to not go insane. Pass.
–
Name the teammates of milton bradley that he did not get along with. Texas was fine with him. Also I love that, “things milton can do: the fundamentals of baseball” “things he can’t do: stuff people can make up on the spot to diminish a player”
Also Milton perfectly fits everyones idea for a “DH that can play the field”, because he is an average to above average defender at every OF position and could probably play 1st.
“Patrick- sorry but your way off on Mike Cameron. He’s not even close to being a 5-7 top centerfielder in the game. ”
Name me 7 CF’s that are better.
Franklin Gutierrez, Matt Kemp, Carlos Beltran, Grady Sizemore…
Who else? Give me some names and I’ll tell you why you’re wrong
Chip
Grandy is a better overall player than Hawpe by far…
having said that I don’t want either player here.
Damon CAN “play” LF for another 1-2yrs but he WOULD absolutely SUCK doing it! He’s bad defensively on his way to terrible quickly!
We must upgrade our outfield defense. Must! Mike Cameron as a 1yr player absolutely makes us much improved defensively playing in CF and moving Melky/Gardy to LF…
Joba will be fine and potentially can be an all star this season. Leave him alone and let him be.
“If being better than Melky is the barometer then there are about a dozen other available guys who are a) younger than Cameron, b) easier to get than Granderson. ”
Who, exactly?
Who, exactly?
–
Listen, Patrick, there are dozens!!! DOZENS!!
“Granderson’s contract over the next four years 2010:$5.5M, 2011:$8.25M, 2012:$10M, 2013:$13M club option ($2M buyout)- that’s not exactly a good contract. ”
Actually for Curtis Granderson that is a freaking fantastic contract.
Jerk Face
Also striking out a lot as a negative is overrated.
We’ll see if you keep saying that when Cameron is batting 2.45 and striking out 17 times a week.
You forgot Hunter.
Id like to know why Gardner doesnt get the the top 7 nod?
Pat heres a few just within in our divison better than Cameron. Ellsbury. hate to say it… Adam Jones ,, younger and better , and BJ Upton , had a down year. but far better ..
and thats just 3 within our own division
The only concern with Cameron would be an age related decline. Based on his production and defense in recent years, that seems unlikely.
SJ44
I never said that Hawpe was better than Granderson – I said he is better against left handed pitching than Granderson.
vs. LHP Granderson over the last 3 years has hit .202 with a .261 OBP – Hawpe over that same time period .246 & .324
As for your comment that he’s “a product of Coors Field” well that’s just false. His career numbers on the road are:
.280 BA, .375 OBP, .489 SP
At Home
.286 BA, .379 OBP, .508 SP
When you consider that the vast majority of his road games in the NL West are in pitcher’s parks (Petco, Dodger Stadium, ATT Park) I would say that’s quite even.
“Pat heres a few just within in our divison better than Cameron. Ellsbury. hate to say it… Adam Jones ,, younger and better , and BJ Upton , had a down year. but far better ..”
Ellsbury is better than Cameron at what? Baserunning? Because that’s it.
We’ll see if you keep saying that when Cameron is batting 2.45 and striking out 17 times a week.
–
That argument doesn’t work on me, because I don’t care about strike outs as long as they do other things well. Mike Cameron plays excellent defense, gets on base at an acceptable rate, and hits HRs. He might be hitting .245, but he’ll be on base .345 (around the same as Cano) and with 20 HRs. He will also save runs with his glove.
I love players like Ryan Howard, Mark Reynolds, Adam Dunn, Nick Swisher. They have their limitations but they do baseball things well such as: Not make outs, hit hrs, drive in runs.
Outs are outs, I could care less how they are made. Is it frustrating when a guy strikes out with someone on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Yea, but its just as frustrating when players who are tough to strike out like Melky and Cano go up there and hit a ball in play that doesn’t score the run.
Conversely, a guy that will strike out might not ground into a double play if there is a chance, and if he connects its usually hit hard.
striking out is vastly, vastly blown out of proportion.
Rich NJ
The only concern with Cameron would be an age related decline. Based on his production and defense in recent years, that seems unlikely.
So your happy with someone batting 250 , and leading the league in strikeouts with an awfull ob percentage. Well i guess having a decent glove makes up for it. ( not really )
Mike RI
you are totally wrong…
Ellsbury couldn’t run Cameron’s glove out to him much less wear it. In fact Ellsbury is playing out of position as he would be much better defensively playing in LF.
Upton is younger sure and he’s very good but he’s not better defensively than Cameron.
Adam Jones is on his way but Cameron at 37 is still just as good as Jones.
And more to the point none of those guys are available for us whereas Cameron is available for a check at a relatively cheap rate.
Adam Jones is better than Mike Cameron, I guess if you factor in potential? But Cameron doubled up Jones in WAR last year, got on base more and had more power. Jones hit for a higher average thats it.
Cameron also outfielded him.
Who, exactly?
I can live with Melky/Gardner in CF and batting 9 if I can upgrade LF with any of the following:
David DeJesus
Matt Holliday
Rick Ankiel
Cody Ross
Ryan Church (he would be in RF with Swisher in LF)
that’s just off the top of my head…
Mike RI
Yes, because his OPS+ last season was 111 and his wOBA was .346, so you’re getting production.
It would have to be a one year deal.
So your happy with someone batting 250 , and leading the league in strikeouts with an awfull ob percentage. Well i guess having a decent glove makes up for it. ( not really )
–
Players who Mike Cameron had a higher OBP% than:
Franklin Gutierrez (best CFer in baseball)
Melky Cabera
Adam Jones
BJ Upton
Curtis Granderson
Players who Mike Cameron had a better OPS than:
Adam Jones
Grady Sizemore
Curtis Granderson
Jacoby Ellsbury
Gutierrez
Melky
That argument doesn’t work on me, because I don’t care about strike outs as long as they do other things well.
Jerk Face=
Mike Cameron plays excellent defense, gets on base at an acceptable rate, and hits HRs. He might be hitting .245, but he’ll be on base .345 (around the same as Cano) and with 20 HRs. He will also save runs with his glove.
I love players like Ryan Howard, Mark Reynolds, Adam Dunn, Nick Swisher. They have their limitations but they do baseball things well such as: Not make outs, hit hrs, drive in runs.
Mike Cameron is NOT Ryan Howard . Mark Reynolds or Adam Dunn. If we just want someone out there that plays the game right. gets on base, and plays above average defense why not just put Gardner out there.
We are making Cameron out to be more that what he is. He doesn’t help us get younger. adds little offensively. Sure his glove will save runs . So won’t Gardnders . and he’ll be a whole heck of alot cheaper
I could live with Mike Cameron batting 9th and playing LF – but when the Yankees have a runner on 3rd with less than two outs in a close game and he can’t advance the guy because he wasted an AB with a strikeout don’t be shocked.
Obtaining Granderson brings nothing but positive’s to the ballclub…..As for Milton Bradley, I wonder if Prozac is considered a PED ???? Ever since that rumor was floated a few weeks ago, I just cannot see a better fit for the Bombers….He upgrades the OF, has power ro offset the loss of Damon or Matsui, has speed and has gold in his glove….As with every ballplayer, if you want to find reasons for not having so be it…However he would just explode on the Bronx scene……
actually if you actually7 watch Cameron alot his strikeouts tend to come when the bases are empty or he’s leading off…generally he’s a productive hitter when hitting with men on base
Jerface – -you can throw the WAR stats which means Nothing . and all the other Harvard stats now a days at me. But lets me real.
Franklin Gutierrez (best CFer in baseball)
Melky Cabera
Adam Jones
BJ Upton
Curtis Granderson
Players who Mike Cameron had a better OPS than:
Adam Jones
Grady Sizemore
Curtis Granderson
Jacoby Ellsbury
Gutierrez
Melky
Cameron isn’t on the same level as the guys above.
I could live with Mike Cameron batting 9th and playing LF – but when the Yankees have a runner on 3rd with less than two outs in a close game and he can’t advance the guy because he wasted an AB with a strikeout don’t be shocked.
–
I’d be just as shocked as when Brad Hawpe strikes out, again, with 2 outs in a close game because the other team brought in a nasty righty or any lefty
And Gardner is not as good as Cameron. Cameron has years of experience defensively, Gardner just has plus plus speed. There is no gaurantee that Gardner would produce as much as Cameron, and Cameron will hit 20 HRs.
We could have 9 spots in the order with more than 15 HRs, 8 with 20, etc. Again.
I do like Gardner though, but Gardner spelling Cameron is far superior to Gardner spelling Melky.
Cameron isn’t on the same level as the guys above.
–
You’re right, he is above them, based on the stats I listed.
The only thing Ellsbury does well is run. His defense is below average.
“You forgot Hunter.”
No I didn’t
“Pat heres a few just within in our divison better than Cameron. Ellsbury. hate to say it… Adam Jones ,, younger and better , and BJ Upton , had a down year. but far better ..
and thats just 3 within our own division ”
Ok lets look at the last 2 years for each player
Cameron -
2008: 11.3 UZR, .243/.331/.477, 4.0 WAR
2009: 10.0 UZR, .250/.342/.452, 4.3 WAR
Ellsbury -
2008: 16.5 UZR .280/.336/.394, 3.3 WAR
2009: -18.6 UZR .301/.355/.415, 1.9 WAR
Jones -
2008: 9.9 UZR, .270/.311/.400, 2.2 WAR
2009: -4.7 UZR, .277/.335/.457, 2.1 WAR
Upton –
2008: 10.3 UZR, .273/.383/.401, 4.9 WAR
2009: 11.0 UZR, .241/.313/.373, 2.5 WAR
Upton is the only one that comes close but he was so bad at the plate in 2009 it’s hard to say what he’ll do in 2010.
Total K%: 29%
Empty: 30%
Men On: 27.5%
Bases loaded: 18%
Man on 3rd less than 2 outs: 4%
RISP total: 25%
Cameron’s K’s
Why not just trade for Adam Dunn?
Seriously. Washington’s not going anywhere. They would probably welcome someone taking the last year ($12 mil) of his contract. Yankees could offer them Melky or Gardner along with a minor league arm.
Put Dunn at DH. Granted, with him and Swisher you’ve got two guys who might both hit below .240 but they’ll also walk a combined 200 times. Dunn can hit the ball out of Yellowstone, imagine the display he would put on at the Stadium. And you can write it down now, he’s going to at least give the team 40 HR and 100 RBI.
And he’s a butcher in the field, but again, he can play the field without breaking.
Deal for him, make a move for a LF like DeJesus and then let Jackson vie for CF against whichever guy doesn’t get moved in the Dunn deal
Possible lineup:
Jeter
DeJesus – LF
Tex
Alex
Dunn – DH
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Jackson/Gardner
Bradley has played on mediocre teams his whole career – Padres, Dodgers, Oaktown, Texas, Cubs, etc.
Put him on a World Championship team with clubhouse leaders and a strong foundation and he will thrive.
It’s not like this guy is a team cancer, all of his issues have been stuff like tirades with umpires, attacking broadcasters, getting into it with fans, etc.
He has a ton of talent, switch hitter, gold glove OF’er, power, speed etc. Would be a great buy-low acquisition.
Chip – Thats the first idea I think I might be 100% behind that you’ve come up with. Dunn at DH in NYS would be monstrous. He would hit 40 HRs in any stadium, but some of his warning track flies might leave our stadium.
“If he doesn’t do well, Dante taught him,” Girardi said. “If he does do well, I taught him.”
I love it hat even in the offseason Girardi is taking up for AJ.
Girardi also stated that if AJ pitches well it’s on AJ and if AJ pitches poorly then it’s on Posada.
Stop going after inferior players like Brad Hawpe, Mike Cameron, etc.
Either re-sign Damon or trade for Granderson.
Matsui/Damon are our #5 and #2 hitters… big parts of our offense. We have no #2 hitter without Damon and as PAT M. has said… we have nobody to protect Alex without Matsui. You can’t replace these top talents with 9th place hitters or platoon players.
“getting into it with fans”
Yea that would go over real well in New York….
Milton Bradley IS A CANCER, is it a coincedence that the team he played on were all mediocer??
Pat M -
I keep hoping the same, since the rumor came to light, about Granderson. Even when the Detroit GM came out and said he’s not on the market, per se, I am hopeful.
But until something actually happens, we’re at the mercy of the trade du jour of the blog. (Which is fine – not complaining, it’s entertaining and it kills time!)
Chip,
I’d take Adam Dunn, he’s a great hitter.
With regards let me rephrase my question. Which CF’s would I take over Cameron for 2010 and only 2010.
Carl Crawford (if he would play CF)
Ichiro (if he would play CF)
Carlos Beltran
Grady Sizemore
Franklin Gutierrez
Matt Kemp
I would consider Granderson, Upton, Hunter. Remember we are talking about 2010 only (which is why I rule out Rasmus and Jones).
Now of the names I mention, who can the Yanks actually get? Cameron and maybe Granderson.
P.S. I like the Dunn idea also…..
Milton Bradley IS A CANCER, is it a coincedence that the team he played on were all mediocer??
–
Yes. Baseball teams can not be sunk by 1 player. Brad Lidge tried his darndest and couldn’t even sink the phillies. Barry Bonds is the biggest a-hole in baseball and he practically carried his teams.
Bradley was a beast on the Rangers but they didnt have the pitching to compete. He wasn’t in charge of that.
I like Bradley’s baseball skillset and in that regard he would be perfect for our lineup
But….
Bradley and General Little Man Joe the manager would be a really really bad mix imo.
“is it a coincedence that the team he played on were all mediocer?? ”
Yep.
Robbykid
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
“getting into it with fans”
Yea that would go over real well in New York….
***********************
LOL
Just say no to Bradley. He can barely handle Chicago-no way he handles New York.
Milton Bradley IS A CANCER, is it a coincedence that the team he played on were all mediocer??
–
I disagree. Joe Girardi has shown nothing but human empathy for his players. He flippin cried when we traded Farnsworth and Farnsworth was garbage. If anyone could understand, relate, and sympathize with Bradley, its Joe. And no one has ever questioned Bradley’s work ethic or desire to play baseball.
His problems have all stemmed from issues relating to respect from outside sources (fans, umpire, managers). No story has ever come out about Bradley being hated by his teammates. His rangers teammates all had his back. His Padres coaches had his back when an umpire slurred him and he unfortunately tore his ACL.
I have no problem rotating the DH.
Cashman has always said he wanted to get younger and more flexible. Having the DH spot open to rotate the older players is a very smart move. Rather than sign a guy who can’t field, we can rotation guys to keep them fresh.
Makes no sense to pay Matsui just to hit. Time to get younger and more flexible.
“is it a coincedence that the team he played on were all mediocer?? ”
By your logic, Don Mattingly is a CANCER
First off – I’m not a Gardner fan – I think he’s Bubba Crosby Lite.
Second – saying that Player A is better than Player B because Player A has experience is moronic – especially when we all know that Player B has never really played. The only way to get experience is to play and if you’re never going to play a guy because he has no experience…well you see the circular way this is going and I think even you can figure out why it’s dumb.
Third – again, you’re comparing Apples to Donuts – yes they’re both round but that’s about all they have in common. Yes, Hawpe and Cameron are both baseball players but that’s about where the comparison ends. Hawpe is not a good fielder but he’s a far superior offensive player than Cameron for the simple fact that he doesn’t waste outs – he puts the ball in play.
As we saw vs both the Angles and Twins, when you put the ball in play good things can happen – the other team can make an error that leads to a run for the Yankees for example. That doesn’t happen when you strike out.
Champagne is a good cure for (baseball) cancer.
Kevin Youkilis was punched in the face, in the dugout, on TV, by Manny Ramirez, and no one is talking about him being a team cancer.
Milton Bradley has never been in a fist fight with his teammates (that has been published)
So Hawpe is better than Cameron because he causes the other team to make more errors? If that were true then Cervelli would be the MVP with his piercing eyes staring at all the fielders while he hits.
Chip – I was responding to a second poster about Gardner, thats why I brought it up. (someone suggested that Gardner would be better than Cameron or as good)
Also hawpe strikes out 28.9% of the time so I don’t know what you’re talking about ‘putting the ball in play’. They both strike out the same % and walk the same %. hawpe just gets better results (vs righties) on balls in play.
Bradley’s transgressions are soooo overblown.
You really think the team will care if he tries too attack an umpire or fights with an opposing team’s broadcaster?
As long as he hits, the team will love him.
Character counts for nothing – if he can hit he’s ok?
Like Manny?
Bradley wouldn’t last ten minutes before the Star Chamber ordered a code red on his butt.
There are more impotant things than OBS – or at least there should be.
There are more impotant things than OBS – or at least there should be.
–
You should cheer for the royals, they have a nice collection of people who don’t get on base but have good human qualities.
OBP, wOBA, OPS , these stats directly correllate with winning percentage the strongest.
Guess why
“Kevin Youkilis was punched in the face, in the dugout, on TV, by Manny Ramirez, and no one is talking about him being a team cancer”
1. A punch to Youk’s face could only improve him.
2. The puncher, in your example, has been called a clubhouse cancer, even after brining two titles to Beantown.
(devil’s advocate)
Girardi is a control freak and that is not the type of personality that would mesh well with Bradley.
I love a good afternoon discussion. Lot’s of disagreements, but good arguments one and all.
Personally, I would be happy if Damon is replaced by Cameron, DeJesus or Holliday. No Bradley. I did have to laugh at Chip’s description of the things Bradley cannot do.
Jerkface
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Kevin Youkilis was punched in the face, in the dugout, on TV, by Manny Ramirez, and no one is talking about him being a team cancer.
*****************
I can’t stand Manny, but I can’t really blame him for that.
Find me a quote, anonymous or otherwise, where a teammate ripped Bradley.
His probably isin’t with his teammates. He would be no issue in the clubhouse.
1. A punch to Youk’s face could only improve him.
2. The puncher, in your example, has been called a clubhouse cancer, even after brining two titles to Beantown.
–
1. Slippery slope, the more youkilis gets punched the face, the more I have to see his face in the news and on TV
2. Stories made up by the vast Bosto-ESPN conspiracy to help run the best right handed hitter out of town. I’d take him in a heart beat.
Youkilis is more like a team case of arteriosclerosis.
Girardi is a control freak and that is not the type of personality that would mesh well with Bradley.
—
Why? (also he is no longer a control freak and is, by all accounts, a players manager)
Bottom line, for all intents and purposes…
Gardner > Bradley
Younger, faster, less baggage, higher OBP, and is able to spark the team.
Johnny Damon: this JD went from the Royals to the A’s to the Sox and won a title.
Jermaine Dye: this JD went from the Royals to the A’s to the Sox and won a title.
Same exact player! Clones, possibly. If you disagree, you’ve probably called Robinson Cano lazy and shoplifted from the Negro League Museum. Shame on you.
The problem with Bradley is he would need constant care and attention, and that takes away from a team over the long haul of a season. Not saying it couldn’t be done, but if there are better options, you really need to avoid taking on a situation that may blow up in your face.
I don’t think anyone doubts his talent. I don’t even think anyone has any proof he doesn’t try to be a good team mate or that he doesn’t work hard. But he has an anger management issue. And in NEW YORK, the MEDIA CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, that would like waiting for the bomb to explode – not if, but when.
“Younger, faster, less baggage, higher OBP, and is able to spark the team. ”
Plus whiter and more gritty which is always good
I’ve wanted the Yanks to get Dunn for YEARS. They’ve tried in the past, too, but Cincy wouldn’t deal him to them. Maybe they’ll have better luck with the Nats.
Milton Bradley will never be a Yankee.
Mike Cameron, at 37, is defensively better than most other center fielders, hits for some power, would be affordable and short-term, and can mentor the likes of Gardner, Melky, and Jackson until they prove themselves capable of taking over permanently in CF or LF.
In a perfect world I’d rather have Damon as DH, but would be content with Matsui as DH. No need to trade for Dunn.
Bottom line, for all intents and purposes…
Gardner > Bradley
Younger, faster, less baggage, higher OBP, and is able to spark the team.
–
Wow. So much wrong. They have equal amounts of baggage (I’m not sure how many extra items Bradley requires on a road trip though).
Also .378 (bradleys OBP) > gardner’s real or theoretical OBP
As for spark? Gardner’s wild enthusiasm at being thrown out on the bases could certainly spark the team, but Milton Bradleys unbridled fury at everything other than his own team could marshal the troops to unheralded heights of aggression against opposing pitchers vis a vis home runs.
ask Posada if he’s a players’ manager in his opinion.
How about ARod having to go to Cashman because he was dead tired and Cash having to get Girardi on a conference call w/Dr.Phillipon to remind Gen.Joe that he had to implement the rest program for ARod
or CC’s subtle dig at Girardi in May that he was a lil sore because of all the 120+ pitch outings at the start of the season.
Or all the players that said he is a players manager because he talks with everyone about his plans now and makes sure they are informed in advance of their days off?
‘subtle digs’ (ie made up) are always better than numerous players going to the media with praise for Joe. (Hairston, Swisher, A-rod, Tex, AJ)
Girardi’s a control freak? Seems to me that he gave his players plenty of room to be themselves and do their job.
Bradley made the All-Star team at Yankee Stadium in 2008
This guy is an excellent player.
Just because he attacked a broadcaster, no need to undervalue him. He would help this team immensely.
Patrick-
How can you even out Donny Baseball and MIlton Bradley on the same post??? Don Mattingly was a stand up guy, Milton Bradley is a known A-Hole with emotional problems…..
Girardi is only a players’ manager if the player’s name is Dante.
champ809
If I remeber correctly, AROD did not want out of the line-up and when Joe asked him, he would always tell him he was fine….
How can you even out Donny Baseball and MIlton Bradley on the same post??? Don Mattingly was a stand up guy, Milton Bradley is a known A-Hole with emotional problems…..
–
But isn’t it a little odd that Donny Baseball (if that is his real name) was on a bunch of mediocore teams? Coincidence or….?
Just last week, Joe said the Yankees’ rotation was 2 guys and a bunch of question marks (in essence)………
I wish I didn’t want Halladay so much, lol; I’m trying very hard to stick to my “don’t trade the best kids” philosophy
Where do people get the idea that Girardi was a control freak?
Just because he took away candy, which later came out that it was Cashman’s decision?
He has always been a player’s manager and had their backs. He lied to the media on behalf of MO in 2008 and got killed for it, and he never implicated MO for it. He apologized to AJ after a game last year for screwing up his schedule in Boston and making him pitch on extra rest.
A-Rod and Damon both said he was their MVP this year during the celebration.
He isin’t the drill sargent that people thought he was.
Milton Bradley will never be a Yankee.
————————————-
Agree-he might be going to the Rays for Pat Burrell and cash from the Cubs.
Nick Johnson would want to play 1st, not DH full time.When you look at lefty fulltime DH’s suited for YS, it’s hard to name one available, as a FA, better than Matsui.
I’m not trading Montero for anyone-unless his name is Joe Mauer-best Yankee hitting prospect in over 20 years or more.
Jerkface-Donny Baseball is his nickname, second of all, Mattingly did nothing to hurt the team, and respected the game.
Jerkface-Donny Baseball is his nickname, second of all, Mattingly did nothing to hurt the team, and respected the game.
“Jerkface-Donny Baseball is his nickname, second of all, Mattingly did nothing to hurt the team, and respected the game. ”
And yet he only played for “mediocer” teams so clearly he must be a CANCER
Patrick
Bradley was on better teams then Mattingly, and still couldnt win…..
I only “really” care if a player is good or not. Although, I do NOT like the broadcaster and throwing the chair at the fan incidents. I think he has anger management issues.
It appears that things may start heating up next week. What gets addressed first and why?
LF
DH
Starting Rotation
Bullpen
or none of the above.
IMO, I think the DH issue gets resolved first. I think Cashman offers 1 year deals to Damon and Matsui and tells them that the first one to accept, gets it.
Betsy-
Philly gave up four players with only one, Carrasco, with a taste of MLB, for Lee who was 1 1/2 years removed from FA, a lefty valuable for YS, and 1 1/2 years younger than Halladay.
I’m not trading Joba, Hughes or Montero for Halladay, then signing him to a 23M +/year four year contract extension. Toronto is in a very bad position. They either trade him, hold on to him and hope he changes his mind at the July deadline to go to a contender, or lose him for 2 picks if they offer arbitration!
Well, duh. Of course our rotation is in better shape this winter than last.
Last year during the winter meetings, the only ones in the rotation were Joba and (a rehabbing) Wang. We didn’t have CC or AJ yet, Andy was still doing his song and dance.
This year, it is CC and AJ, along with Hughes/Joba if they don’t get traded.
We ARE in much better shape now because we have stability at the top.
rob,
i feel like you aren’t getting it..
Jerkface and Patrick,
http://sports.espn.go.com/chic.....id=4490125
Come-on, this guy will not help the team….I dont mean to harp on the issue, but you both are wrong about Bradley helping the Yanks…
Patrick-I get your argument, I will waive the white flag with the Don Mattingly comment…
Trust me when I say its going to be hard to deal with this guy day in and day out…He obviously has a ton of talent (he makes 15 mill a season) but I dont know if it is worth it…
Ok I am done with this I am sure its getting old by now….
CLE took less from Philly for Cliff Lee. Shapiro wanted Hughes, Joba etc. for Lee from us.
Get used to this, folks. Teams want more from us than other teams, even the Sox. Nobody wants to help us. Look no further than how TOR correlates Casey Kelly to Montero.
Cashman is much better served trying to work out more “Swisher” trades to buy low on guys rather than going for the big fish because no team is going to give us a fair deal.
Don’t get your hopes up on Halladay. TOR will try and cheat us like every team does.
m: I think I “agree” with you.
“I think Cashman offers 1 year deals to Damon and Matsui and tells them that the first one to accept, gets it.”
Has Cashman ever played a game like that?
Who needs Bradley, a 900 OPS beast?
Let’s get an inferior Mike Cameron or have Gardner start in LF if Damon leaves…
And yet he only played for “mediocer” teams so clearly he must be a CANCER
====
I have a request.
Could you all please refrain from using such an unfortunate choice of words? Cancer is an ugly, devastating disease that doesn’t care who you are and who loves you, what your dreams are, etc.
Find some other word.
Milton Bradley and yes, Manny Ramirez, deserve better.
“I think Cashman offers 1 year deals to Damon and Matsui and tells them that the first one to accept, gets it.”
Sounds like something Larry Lucchinno/John Henry would do….
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
absolutly……
Sure, and other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? Pat M is right – Bradley would “explode” on the scene in NY. No thank you. Great, tirades with umpires, getting into it with fans, attacking broadcasters – that would go over great in NY. Pat M, it has nothing to do with finding reasons not to want him – one doesn’t have to look very hard to find reasons to not want him. I don’t want him, I would never root for him – period.
No thank you to Dunn.
CLE took less from Philly for Cliff Lee. Shapiro wanted Hughes, Joba etc. for Lee from us.
———————————————–
Lee was a steal for the Phillies, however I don’t remember any rumors that the Yankees were even contacted about a deal for Lee. I’d be interested if there is a link to that.
bodhisattva,
Sure no problem, I didn’t mean to offend. I was simply using the word to mockingly describe Bradley because it’s the word that Robbykid chose. I’ve had relatives suffer and die from the disease as well so I’ll refrain from using it in that context in the future.
Ok…Milton Bradley is an epidemic/disease/virus/illness/cold/sickness/
TY Robbykid.
Patrick-
Thanks for throwing me under the bus…..
No problem….
Patrick
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
bodhisattva,
Sure no problem, I didn’t mean to offend. I was simply using the word to mockingly describe Bradley because it’s the word that Robbykid chose. I’ve had relatives suffer and die from the disease as well so I’ll refrain from using it in that context in the future.
====
Yes, much thanks. So sorry for that…
“Thanks for throwing me under the bus….”
That’s disrespectful to victims of bus mayhem.
I only “really” care if a player is good or not. Although, I do NOT like the broadcaster and throwing the chair at the fan incidents. I think he has anger management issues.
–
Anything that endangers Michael Kay is fine by me, though I think his gigantic skull would absorb most blows.
Bradley did not like playing for the cubs because the entire cubs culture is that of 100 year losers, and the fans in the bleachers of Wrigley (where most of the real cubs fans sit, the lower box is overpriced company culture hotspot) were throwing racial slurs at bradley. You could understand why he was upset.
Put him on the yankees, as a DH where his interaction with opposing fans is limited, with a good team, and he will thrive.
loose cannon?
Mike Cameron is a righty
He strikes out about 100 times more than Damon
He has like a .320 OBP. He can’t hit 2nd.
He is not the answer for LF if Damon walks. Especially if we lose Matsui too.
At least the Yankees were nice enough to send Girardi to Jets camp to teach Sanchez how to slide.
They could have sent Freddy Guzman or someone. Ryan didn’t specify which Yankee he wanted.
It boggles my mind that people think Gardner is the one who should be the 4th OF and Melky should start.
What does Melky do better than Gardner? Hit more HRs?
Who has a higher average? Higher OBP? Better speed? Better defender? Better bunter?
Gardner is going to be the starter next year, period. Melky is either going to the bench, or used in a trade.
You know, as much as I can’t stand the thought of Bradley on the Yankees, if the Cubs were willing to give us Ted Lilly, plus pay all but one million of Bradley’s remaining salary plus take Igawa’s contract off our hands, then I’d consider him. But he never would wear a Yankee uniform, because I’d designate him for assignment the next day!!!!
Please, don’t we have anything or anyone better to talk about???
Betsy, Maybe I came across incorrectly….I’m not an advocate for bringing Milton Bradley to The Bronx…..I want Curtis Granderson to play CF for the Yankees…..Hitting in this lineup and hitting in Yankee Stadium, he’d put up some career popping numbers…He’s better than Damon on all levels, besides I don’t think he’d cost a that much in return……I cannot express this enough, Cashman must find a reliable # 5 hitter….Right now, that could spell Matt Holliday….I just cannot see Jorge Posada being that hitter at this stage of his career….No Way…A few years ago I thought Cano would be the perfect fit, today that’s a big gamble…Cano maybe better suited as the # 2 stick…..
Mike Cameron is a righty
He strikes out about 100 times more than Damon
He has like a .320 OBP. He can’t hit 2nd.
He is not the answer for LF if Damon walks. Especially if we lose Matsui too.
–
Righty? can’t argue that.
Strike outs? Damon struck out 50 times less, not 100.
.320 OBP? Try .342
He is not the answer in LF, he is the answer to CF.
Edward,
Every team tries to fleece the Yankees. It’s expected. But Cashman has done rather well with acquiring and trading talent. Chad had an excellent list of 2009 trades, but even beore that he did well.
12.04.2007 – Tyler Clippard (Yes, THE Yankee Clippard!) to Nats for Jonathan Albaladejo.
07.26.2008 – Daniel McCutchen, Jose Tabata, Jeff Karstens and Ross Ohlendorf to Pirates for Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady (Ok I liked Ohlendorf)
7.31.2008 –
Alberto Gonzalez (whom I used to rave about) to the Nats for Jhonny Nunez.
11.13.2008 – Jeff Marquez (was highly touted), Wilson Betemit and Jhonny Nunez to White Sox for Kanekoa Texeira and Nick Swisher
Point is, that the minors have been well stocked, and other than Ross Ohlendorf (who came from the Arizona system), and Steve Karstens who tasted some MLB experience, and maybe Jose Tabata, none of them have done that well. The Yankees evaluated their own players better than their trade partners, and for the most part got the better of the deals. So I don’t think it’s an automatic that the likes of Joba or Hughes or Montero or Jackson have to be the ones included in major trades. Sometimes, quantity is a quality all in itslef.
Until Gardner learns to utilize his speed by bunting or getting on first with infield hits, instead of popping up, he’s a 4th OF’er.
It boggles my mind that people think Gardner is the one who should be the 4th OF and Melky should start.
What does Melky do better than Gardner? Hit more HRs?
Who has a higher average? Higher OBP? Better speed? Better defender? Better bunter?
Gardner is going to be the starter next year, period. Melky is either going to the bench, or used in a trade.
–
Melky
.274 .336 .416 .752
Vs
Gardner
.270 .345 .379 .724
Ok, looks like melky hits for a better average, but gets on base less, but makes up for it by being far more powerful when he does hit.
Gardner is faster sure, but Melky has more experience at center right and left in the majors.
Gardner can get to more balls, but Melky might take better routes.
Gardner has an accurate arm, Melky has a strong arm.
Gardner is a lefty, and is neutralized by lefties.
Melky is a switch hitter, but has trouble vs lefties.
Conclusion? They are the same damn player and should probably just be platooned.
Cameron replacing Gardner/Melky is fine. I would like that actually.
Asking him to replace Damon is just asking for trouble.
edit: Jeff Karstens not Steve Karstens.
PAT M, couldn’t agree more.
Letting Matsui walk and not replacing him is a very dumb strategy. Jorge should not be the one to protect Alex.
Now, if we sign Holliday, then it is forgiven. But the rotation DH idea with Jorge as the #5 hitter is so dumb.
I could see Cameron in CF, which the Yankees have been trying to do for years, with either Melky or Gardner in LF. A-Jax could take over from either at any time in the season or next season.
I’ll say it so bodhi doesn’t have to: aren’t Gardner’s numbers skewed in his gavor because he rarely played vs. LH pitching?
Is this true or myth?
Players the yankees have tried to get in the past that might be options now:
Bradley (Torre nixed a trade in the past )
Dunn
Cameron
favor, not gavor.
Gritty, gutty gavor.
H-Town
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I have no problem rotating the DH.
Cashman has always said he wanted to get younger and more flexible. Having the DH spot open to rotate the older players is a very smart move. Rather than sign a guy who can’t field, we can rotation guys to keep them fresh.
Makes no sense to pay Matsui just to hit. Time to get younger and more flexible.
——————–
makes no sense after winning the ws with matsui doing exactly that & him getting the ws mvp??????
you do what works & it worked well for us
Didn’t Cashman say that Torre nixed a move for Bradley back in 05?
So clearly, Cashman tried to get him in the past and he had issues back then too.
According to http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com
They link to the Chicago Sun Times paper’s article on the Yankees having requested Jermaine Dye’s medical records.It’s for the DH.
For the past 4 seasons his UZR/150 rating were -21.5,-21.5,-21.4,-24.5.WHY DID THEY KEEP HIM IN THE FIELD with #’s like this is crazy!
He’ll be 36, Jan 28 2010.Yankees denied the report.
I really hope this isn’t true.
Dismantling the lineup that was the most potent in baseball last year and actually produced in the playoffs for the first time in forever (and Damon/Matsui were a big part of that) is not very bright.
You do everything possible to bring the same group back OR upgrade it (i.e. Holliday/Granderson). Downgrading it with the likes of Hawpe, Cameron, A-Jax, etc. is not the way to go.
20% of Gardner’s ABs were against lefties, but surprise! He hit: .291 .381 .400 .781
Again I simply say, Milton Bradley has shown he cannot deal with criticism from the media. New York is the media capital of the world. Why, oh why, would any team put those two things together? It’s asking for trouble. It is not good for the Yankees. And, it is not good for Bradley. Sometimes there are teams (geographic areas) and players that just aren’t meant to be. This is one of those instances. It has nothing to do with talent, but with OVERALL fit. It’s not a fit. Oh, no, not in any way.
Ok, so it seems that the consensus is that LF or possibly CF will be addressed first.
“Again I simply say, Milton Bradley has shown he cannot deal with criticism from the media.”
Again I simply say, Milton Bradley gets on base and mashes dingers.
I don’t care if he has black rage or whatever, he’s a damn good hitter
Pat M and all-
Here’s a possible scenario if Damon and Matsui sign elsewhere that would free up enough cash to sign Holliday and improve our outfield defense.
Trade minor leaguers to KC for LF 29 yo Dejesus who has a reasonable club option for 2011, had 13 assists, no errors in LF, is a lefty and hits lefties at a .290 clip. Bat him 2nd.
Trade for Granderson who would thrive in Yankee stadium, with tutelage from Long, to play CF. It probably would cost AJax or Cabrera or Gardner and other minor leaguers, but I could live with that.
Then you have money to sign Holliday for RF to bat 5th, who hits a lot to right and rightcenter.
Just a stupid troll thought from a non-troll!!!!!!
Let Swisher DH, and your linup is set
So the slurs against Gardner are undeserved? All he needs is a chance and a little less stage fright on the basepaths?
@Doreen: so what you’re saying is, Milton Bradley + the NY spotlight = Game on!!!
Let’s stop talking about Bradley… it is a pipe dream.
Anyway, back to reality.
Any chance we could dangle Swisher and a guy like Colin Curtis for Halladay?
Buster Olney was just on with Michael Kay……..
As to Doc: Kay asked him if Doc would agree to a trade with no extension. Apparently Doc’s agent wouldn’t discuss that except to say that they would have to evaluate it on a case by case basis). Olney stated that Doc is different than most players and he may very well want to go and try a place out before committing. IMO, if the Jays/Angels put something together, I can see Doc doing this……esp. if he really prefers the East Coast and wants to be a FA.
Olney doesn’t think that Doc will get a Santana or CC extension as teams aren’t doing that for aging pitchers anymore, but that he could very well see $21 million per year for 4 years given his well-known work ethic.
Kay asked Olney if the Yanks would trade Joba for 1 year of Doc (not sure why he asked this as, if Doc came to the Yankees, I’m sure they would extend him). Buster said that he’d wondered the same thing himself as soon enough Joba will be arbitration -eligible and there could be concerns within the organization if he’s ever going to be guy that can repeat his delivery enough to be successful over the longterm. I found it interesting Kay asked about Joba and not Phil….. Kay also asked if the Yankees are more interested in Doc in order to block him from going to the Sox and whether they’d be thrilled to see him go to the Angels. I got the idea from Buster that the Sox do not want to trade Bucholz (they can have him for 5 years at $25 million instead of Doc for 1 year at that amount -that’s not exactly how Buster put it, but it was close). I also got the idea that Buster didn’t really agree with Kay (because Kay thinks that the Yanks don’t really “want” Doc)……… Buster did say that the Angel match up well with the Jays, but he did not sound like it was a perfect match, that it was anywhere close to being done – he just mentioned them because Kay brought them up.
Whew!
I don’t really see Bradley thriving in NY. He has shown himself to lack some self control, and in NY with the media that could become a big distraction. If he came to NYY I would root for him, but I wouldn’t advocate for him to come to the Yankees.
Cameron would be decent in CF, but if it were a choice between Damon and Cameron, I would go with Damon. Lefty batter. Can play in NY which is always a concern I have. Cameron wouldn’t be a terrible pickup, but I don’t see him as a net gain. I think offensively he is a downgrade as it would mean not having a top of the lineup hitter replacement.
Dunn doesn’t do anything for me. If its as DH, how do you know he can do that role? Many good batters can’t. Giambi did better when he played in the field (as an example). Matsui has proven he can do that role and do it really well.
I don’t really see the value in the revolving door DH. Alex did need rest this year, more than he normally had to have throughout a season. Being that he has had more time to heal and condition I tend to think he won’t be needing as much time off. Posada being DH is fine for a few games, but as a catcher who is up in age, wouldn’t he benefit from a full day off rather than having to bat? In some cases it works well with him as DH, but through the season you want him getting real rest. Same with all the other players.
Gardner, Melky and Jackson are going to compete for 1 outfield spot if they are all there come ST. But I don’t think it possible that the team would start the year with an outfield comprised of any threesome from the pool of Gardner, Melky, Swisher and Jackson. Not happening.
Yeah… because the 77-78 Yankees were a bunch of choir boys.
@Nick in SF -
I mean, yeah, it could be darn entertaining!
Patrick -
It’s about the whole, not it’s parts. Once you have one person who could potentially disrupt the “vibe” or “karma” or whatever, it makes a difference. Isn’t one of the accolades they’re throwing ARod’s way this past season the fact that he’s finally assimilated himself? That he was no longer Yankees + ARod? What do you think having to manage a personality such as MIlton Bradley would be?
I don’t argue that he’s not talented. But the price for that talent in NY is too high to pay (and I”m not talking money). You have to look at the bigger picture.
Buster is good at tracking stories, but not good at figuring out what’s gonna happen.
Pat M, sorry for misunderstanding! I’ve not heard much on Granderson recently, so I’m not sure what the Tigers would be asking. I would not give up a lot for a guy who struggles that badly against lefties…..but I would like him; he’d be a good fit.
Yankee Trader – not a bad scenario. Not bad at all. I give you credit for creativity.
Sorry Doreen, I still disagree. I feel like Bradley’s shortcomings are overstated and his ability is underrated.
It seems like a forgone conclusion that Hughes isin’t going to be apart of any of these trade proposals.
In that case, wouldn’t that send a red flag to other teams if the Yankees seem to favor Hughes over him? I’m sure Anthopolous and his scouts can find a way to figure out why Joba is the one we want to give up and not Phil, and would want Phil instead for those same reasons.
Did anybody just see the segment with Jon Heyman on Hot Stove (MLB Network)? He said something about Rafael Soriano and the Yankees. Did anybody catch it?
Well if Olney is correct, then wouldn’t the Jays evaluate the same questions about Joba that the Yankees are? (arbitration, if he can repeat his delivery, maturity, etc.). Then why would they want him over Hughes?
As to Damon, Buster said the Yanks would like him back at about $6-8 million for 1 year. Well, that’s a pretty good sized pay cut, isn’t it? That’s not happening. It’s pretty clear that while the team would like him back, they only want him back at their price and they are fully prepared to move on.
Joba has a greater upside in the eyes of most.
Well if Doc doesn’t agree to an extension with LAA… why would they give TOR anything good? It is a double-edged sword.
Looks like Yankees, Sox, or the Jays keep him. Then again… has there even been reports he would definitively want an extension with NY or BOS? Maybe he wants to check it out and see if he likes it here before committing long term, considering he is so close to FA.
The Angels angle is the big elephant in the room.
“I’m sure Anthopolous and his scouts can find a way to figure out why Joba is the one we want to give up and not Phil, and would want Phil instead for those same reasons.”
You can’t always get what you want. Etc.
DaSaint007
Yankees signed the Cuban defector Eladio last week with an invite to ST.He’s an outfielder too.
Red Sox now interested in Placido Polanco
and Rich Harden
and Eric Bedard
and Mark DeRosa
and Marco Scutaro
and Crosby, Adam Everett, and Adam Kennedy
and don’t forget Jason Bay, Holliday and Lackey
Guess when there’s nothing really to report, you report anything that seems feasible, though not necessarily confirmed.
Which is why the idea that Cashman should take some kind of hardline stance with Matsui/Damon and move on if they don’t accept is not very bright.
There are not very many alternatives. Holliday or Bay for a big money deal? Cameron? A-Jax? Hawpe?
Basically, the only viable solution is Granderson, but whose to say we match Detroit’s asking price? This goes for any good player in a trade.
Damon/Matsui are far and away our best options unless Cash decides to give big bucks to Holliday.
Not to mention, saying Bradley is a team “cancer” implies that he destroys teams. He doesn’t. He destroys himself by picking fights with umpires or broadcasters.
Just a wrong analogy all the way around. Bradley would be a fantastic signing for us. Some of you underrate how strong the clubhouse is. Yeah… the clubhouse is going to fall apart if Bradley picks a fight with Michael Kay. Please.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
1. A team that perennially wins.
2. A team that trains in Florida, preferably on the west coast of Florida, near his Oldsmar home
3. A team that perennially wins. (Yup, it’s that important.)
***lol, I don’t blame Doc. He doesn’t have a whole lot of years left in his prime and he’s running out of time to win. He’s given his heart and soul to the Jays……..so it makes sense that he doesn’t want to go to a team that may win for a year, then slink back into mediocrity.
Where is Oldsmar? I don’t think it’s near Tampa, but I’m sure he won’t kill a trade to the Yankees based on that, lol
Why even offer Joba for a player with a NTC who wants to be a Yankee? Especially if the Sox don’t offer Buchholz?
Why are we bidding $2.00 if the bidding is only at $1.00
Well if we offer Chamberlain, that would probably mean Boston offered Buchholz. Otherwise, there is no reason to even offer Chamberlain.
And I’d imagine the Jays would value Buchholz more than Chamberlain. In that case, we need to sweeten the pot with secondary guys. Does Cashman really want to give up Joba, A-Jack, Romine etc. in the same package?
It all depends how serious we are. And how serious Boston is. And I think the interest level of each team will depend on how interested the other team is. So this is probably going to turn into another cat and mouse game like Santana.
Betsy
AS for as the Yankees and Damom being offered 6-8mm,I want to see the look on Boras’ face.If Any team pays him more than that,they’re crazy!!
DaSaints–That’s only the free agents they will get. The Sox will also trade for Halladay, Mauer and Gonzalez.
Betsy, thanks for the update. Can I use you as a court reporter?
i love johnny damon, but i dont want him back. his game was deteriorating all season long, if not for the first-half homers, there wasnt much there, his legs are shot. he has no speed left on the bases, his range is gone in the field, and even with the balls he got to, alot of them went off his glove or under his legs. other picthers adjusted to his YS swing and stopped throwing him offspeed stuff inside and he quit hitting homers after the asb. his august and september were pretty bad.
hes not going to accept a one year contract unless its for stupid money, which he’s not worth.
i love the guy but its time to say goodbye.
Heyman talked last week about how Theo doesn’t want to trade the prospects, but Henry wants to make a big splash after seeing us win the WS, he is desperate to do something.
So Henry might be the wild card in this. How bad does HE want Doc?
gfd –
Forgot about that. Thx.
As much as I love Joba and Hughes, and even Kennedy, highly-rated young pitchers sometimes flame out. Humberto Sanchez, Anthony Claggett and Kevin Whelan were all highly touted at one point. Even my personal favorite, Chase Wright, never lived up to his potential.
Do I think Joba, Hughes and Kennedy are better, sure. But chances are only 1 of them will remain with the team long-term.
I picked up my copy of Sports Illustrated w/Jeter on the cover on my way home from work. It’s a really good article. I think I’m going to have to frame the cover-I just love that picture!
Yankee Trader..By far, this scenerio is the best this off season contribution……Carl D., Cashman has pretty much indicated to the GM’s that Young Master Hughes is as close to being an untouchable as it gets…….Regarding Joba Chamberlain, he’s starting to get the Bobby Jenks rep, just doesn’t have all the baggage to date……Joba needs to understand the fact that he’s a MLB Pitcher…His early success has possibly lead him to think he’s made it to the top, and there’s no reason to keep busting it….Just witness how poorly conditioned he was in 09…..Repeative motion requires disipline, dedication , and staying in the best condition he can be in……His core / foundation strength is what caused so much of his problems this season…….I’d like to see him return in 2010 after a offseason conditioning program……All the personal events last winter could be the root to his disappointing 2009…..Maybe all the trade talk opens his eyes…Certainly getting boo’d off the mound several times this past season in the Bronx didn’t……
Betsy – high on pie
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
As to Damon, Buster said the Yanks would like him back at about $6-8 million for 1 year.
************************
If that’s true, I think we’ve seen the last of Damon in pinstripes.
After Halladay sees some cliff-side mansions right on the ocean in Orange County, he is going to forget that Western Florida ever existed….
Yeah, he might have to uproot his family but it’s not like the guy is moving to Kansas City… he is moving to LA.
Arizona is nice as well for a winter home, no ocean like he has in Florida, but plenty of golf…
Betsy-
Oldsmar Florida is a 20 minute ride to Tampa
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?c.....8;state=FL
I think its a matter of degrees as to Joba vs. Hughes. In watching both pitchers, I think both have high value. I would think the Jays would be happy with Joba as a piece of the Halladay trade proposal.
It seems to me that the Yankees were always more convinced of Hughes, he was always their untouchable. That fell a bit with his injuries induced problems, but it could be the whole package that Hughes has. Joba has raw talent. If Joba were moved in a trade it may be the best thing to happen for him. Out of the limelight of NY might allow him to develop easier.
As far as Olney claiming how high the Red Sox are on Buchholz, I am not convinced. His name was always mentioned with every trade rumor last season, the Sox were having all kinds of problems with Penny and Smoltz and he was left in the minors. He was brought up, in my estimation, to showcase him. Limit his exposure, as the more the league saw of him the more he got hit. I just don’t see him as a key of the Red Sox rotation long term. I could be wrong, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him dealt this winter in some deal.
The Sox seem like they are trying to keep Buchholz value high by their talk, while they keep shopping him around. The two actions don’t mesh.
“Betsy-
Oldsmar Florida is a 20 minute ride to Tampa
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?c…..p;state=FL”
Thanks for copying my post from NYYFans.;)
I have the Tree Lighting on on NBC. As bad as many older women look when they have “lifts,” I really think it’s so much worse on a man – Barry Manilow with ever-wider eyes and stretched facial skin. Yuck.
That being said, I really enjoy Manilow as an entertainer.
Oldsmar is on the border of Pinellas/Hillsborough country. Right on the Bay… had a friend who lived there, nice place. Not more than 20 minutes or so from downtown Tampa.
So Henry might be the wild card in this. How bad does HE want Doc?
—————————————————
IMO, they sign Bay first, a perfect fit as a pull hitter in that stadium.
Then for pitching they go after Harden or Bedard, both not offered arbitration.
They get two picks for the Braves signing Wagner.
They try and trade Lowell but have no takers, and Adrian Gonzalez does not get traded!!!
They find a shortstop/second baseman FA who wasn’t offered arbitration-Orlando Hudson? if Pedroia moves to SS.
Betsy,
Doc is not gonna boom a trade to the Yanks. Why do I get the sense that you want this to be more dramatic than it will be?:)
Manilow was a jingles song writer. All his songs always sound like commercials to me. He can sing pretty well, but watching him is terrible.
Doreen, Where I live ( Orange County Ca. ) Cosmo Doc’s are routine…..It’s part of the culture….Does help with one’s vision I believe, well at least mine…..
Rich in NJ
I understand that your perturbed that they could turn Chris Carter into 2 draft picks. But that is my point. Look at the parentheses next to my name.
Lars Anderson turned into a bust, and so Peter Gammons and BA and BP turned to Chris Carter.
I know teams have their own scouts and scouting system, and their own needs, but the opinions of such organizations and baseball people like P Gammo probably are not thrown by the waistside.
So, in the end, it does not matter if they have Chris Carter the RF or Randy Moss the left fielder or Stu Kostitsyn the Right Handed pitcher, the media will play these guys up to the fullest, and P Gammo will discuss these nothing bums with scouts and employees within organizations and they will all have the same value in the end.
Doreen
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I have the Tree Lighting on on NBC. As bad as many older women look when they have “lifts,” I really think it’s so much worse on a man – Barry Manilow with ever-wider eyes and stretched facial skin. Yuck.
That being said, I really enjoy Manilow as an entertainer.
*********************
I heard something on the radio this morning about how they might not show it because of a union dispute at NBC or something, but appearantly that was settled if you have it on! LOL
I’m looking forward to Rudolph on CBS!!
Doc is going to be a Yankee. Only way it doesn’t happen is if Henry gets involved and offers Buchholz as a desperation move. If Theo is controlling the negotiation, then Doc is ours.
Abda -
Yes, I know that about Barry – and all his songs have a hook. He’s a good entertainer. He is distracting-looking though
Pat M -
I’ll BET your visions have improved!
Dan Shulman doesn’t realize we won the WS?
Yankee Trader, I think you are right.
I wouldn’t be surprised to any of those moves by the Sox. It may help improve them some.
With the moves they have been making over the last season and the comments by Henry about revenue sharing, I think they are more limited with their income than is being let on.
Those moves will still cost them, but it won’t be real big money moves.
Erin =
The Muppets are on!
Singing Run, Run Rudolph.
(Oh, Shakira was on before. Looking gorgeous as usual, but she was appropriately dressed for the weather, sorry to say, fellas
).
I guess we can assume with Cashman, Girardi and the ownership meeting that the decisions, secret though they may be, are made. I am one who hopes they don’t cut payroll to quiet complaints. Even Kansas City makes money when the Yankees do well.
Doreen
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Erin =
The Muppets are on!
Singing Run, Run Rudolph.
*****************
OMG!! Thanks for telling me!!
I kind of don’t want to get Doc because I’d feel bad that we’d be too dominant. Who is beating us with those 3 pitchers, our offense, and Rivera Then we see teams like the Pirates and Royals with $30 million dollar payrolls who lose 100 games. Just doesn’t seem fair. It would kind of take the fun out winning because we’d be so much better than everyone else. It would also force Selig to consider a salary cap.
I’d much rather see Hughes/Chamberlain develop as starters next year and prove we can win with our homegrown guys too.
I HATE when people randomly change words on standards! (Songs, that is) Some country singer putting in her own words to “Sleighride.” Hate it. Hate when Sinatra did it. Hate it. HATE. IT.
If what Sherman reported today was accurate (who knows), then the Jays are going to give the Yankees a chance to trump anyones offer before trading Halladay. This must mean that they like their prospects better than anyone else’s.
If they can get Halladay by trading Joba then you have to do it. There is just as good a chance that Joba becomes a mediocre pitcher or reliever as there is that he will be great. If you can get him for Joba and Jackson then you have obtained the best pitcher in baseball and kept your best pitching prospect (Hughes) and best hitting prospect (Montero), plus given yourself a very good chance at winning multiple titles in the next 5 years.. CC/Halladay would be very very tough in a playoff series.
JJ, like I said, I don’t think Buchholz is really as desired as the Sox and their network, ESPN, are trying to make everyone believe.
Think about how long Laptops was kept in the minors this past season when the Sox kept Penny and Smoltz giving up batting practice. Even when he came up they were reluctant to keep him up. With him being in their system, they know what they have in him. You don’t keep real talent hidden in your minor league system when your team has a need of arms during the season. Heck, they even brought out Tazawa who was clearly not ready for prime time and they knew that as well. Buchholz has more time in and is older.
Somebody on Francesser today said that the Yankees ended up making 100M more than their most optimistic projections in year 1 of the new park.
austinmac
If the Yankees cut payroll, it’s not to quiet complaints
There are a couple of good reasons to cut payroll – one of which is to cut the subsidy to competing teams who still complain. Another is a protection of sorts, in case baseball decides to up the penalties for “overspending” on player payroll.
“Somebody on Francesser today said that the Yankees ended up making 100M more than their most optimistic projections in year 1 of the new park.”
It was Heyman.
I think that Joba being traded to Toronto could be a win win situation for both the Yankees and Joba. Joba just doesn’t quite seem to get “it”. He has been reluctant to listen. Sometimes the best thing for a player is to be moved.
Tom, I would have no problem with a rotation of CC, Halladay, AJ, Pettitte and Hughes. Anything can happen over the season, you start stacked and hope for good health through the season.
I think Halladay would have a very positive effect on Hughes as well. They are kinda similar in the stuff they have. Both like that cutter and Roy could teach him a lot about how to use it as a starter.
Abda…. – I think you hit the nail on the head, in regards to the Red Sox.
I think their finances are not as good as one might think. Even with them stuffing fans into every corner of Fenway, and jacking up prices for beer, they’ve squeezed every dollar they can from their park. I remember reading this fall that viewership at NESN has fallen since 2007, their last WS win, which actually surprises me – I didn’t think their fan base was that shallow and superficial. (Guess I was wrong.) It’s not like the Red Sox are a national brand like the Yankees.
Add in John Henry paying off his divorce settlement, and the whatever shopping bills he has from his new trophy wife, and a down market, and you can see how they’re set up for financial trouble.
I think trying to drive up the price for Cash and the Yankees is the best they can hope for, while they focus on players on one year contracts (Harden, Bedard, maybe even Randy Wolf). If they pass on bringing back Bay, and don’t get Holliday, Gonzalez or anything like them to replace them, then I think it proves this scenario.
If Toronto considered Joba/Bucholtz to be a wash ( i don’t know that they do) then it would come down to the secondary players and I wonder if the Sox would kick in anybody better than Jackson..
yeah, the Yanks are aware of the Halladay/Hughes similarities.
This is still gonna be more about Roy and his NTC than about what the packages are.
Per Fox Sports -
Mariners going hard for Harden — 4:42 p.m.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594
Red Sox with about $124MM committed to payroll in 2010 & need a lf,ss & 2 relief pitchers
bay alone at 18 million takes them to 140 million
C – Victor Martinez – $7.7MM
C – Jason Varitek – $3MM
1B – Kevin Youkilis – $9.125MM
2B – Dustin Pedroia – $3.5MM
SS –
3B – Mike Lowell – $12MM
IF – Jed Lowrie – $415K
LF –
CF – Jacoby Ellsbury – $450K
RF – J.D. Drew – $14MM
OF – Jeremy Hermida – $3.5MM (est.)
DH – David Ortiz – $12.5MM
1B – Casey Kotchman – $4MM (est.)
SP – Josh Beckett – $12MM
SP – Daisuke Matsuzaka – $8MM
SP – Jon Lester – $3.75MM
SP – Clay Buchholz – $415K
SP – Tim Wakefield – $3.5MM
RP – Jonathan Papelbon – $10MM (est.)
RP – Hideki Okajima – $2.5MM (est.)
RP – Ramon Ramirez – $1.5MM (est.)
RP – Daniel Bard – $400K
RP – Manny Delcarmen – $1MM (est.)
RP –
RP -
Other commitments: Julio Lugo – $9MM, Billy Wagner – $1MM, Alex Gonzalez – $500K
I decided to do things a little differently this time and put in estimates for the arbitration-eligible players (Hermida, Kotchman, Papelbon, Okajima, Ramirez, and Delcarmen). I also left four spots open as I think the Sox will acquire players to fill most of those vacancies. I have the Red Sox with about $124MM committed after entering 2009 around $122MM. Their payroll was $133MM in ’08 and $143MM in ’07. As they did last year, Tony Massarotti of the Boston Globe feels that the Red Sox have pretty good payroll flexibility. Note that they could trim $5MM or so by trading or non-tendered Kotchman and Delcarmen.
meant 16 million for bay
Two quick points, then I have to get home to the wife before she beats me with a club:
1. The known likes of Kennedy, Romine and McAllister is better than 2 unknown draft picks, in my opinion.
2. I was shocked to see how low of a contract Abreu received last off-season, AND how many players were not signed at all. I think we’re in for the same, if not worse this off-season. Many players, particularly the over 36 variety, will be forced into retirement or otherwise have to accept contracts they would never have conceived of.
Later.
Found a Toronto Blue Jays Blog called
http://www.bluebirdbanter.com
A nugget,they quote,Toronto officials have inyerest in Joba,Phil,Montero,and Jackson. Their source Heyman SI
Get this:
http://fullcountpitch.com/2009.....st-evolve/
Mattingly seemingly aligned himself with Torre once he was added to his staff and made standing by Torre his priority. Cashman again did not name names, but made it clear there were people on his “field staff” who routinely ignored his directives and lied about their execution of the orders. On the topic of Derek Jeter’s declining defense, Cashman says, “There is no doubt that here was some problem with Derek’s range. It was obvious. You could see that he lost not one but two steps.” When Cashman approached Jeter the offseason after Joe Torre’s dismissal, Jeter said he wasn’t aware of the problem. (which is a column in itself. How can Jeter be counted on to know when to change positions or when to hang it up if he wasn’t aware his defense truly stunk?) Cashman said, “He wasn’t aware because nobody had told him. My staff told me they were confronting him on it. They weren’t. Clearly I was being lied to by my field staff.”
While I hesitate to indict Mattingly with such thin evidence (Larry Bowa is the sensible choice for the majority of the blame), everyone on Torre’s staff becomes accountable when management is lied to and orders go unfulfilled.
i can see damon & matsui back for 6-8 million each
teams are going to be carefull & they both won’t have jobs if they are not carefull
sign them both for 14 million total,pettitte for 8 million & trade for a good young pitcher
Abda, I think you are right. I think teams are smart enough to realize that Buchholz is nothing but a POS.
JJ, a desperation move to get Doc for Buchholz? That would not be a desperation move, that would be a smart move, as Buchholz is a POS.
Also, Dan Schulman has failed to recognize the Yankees as WS champs on the past couple telecasts of Coll. Bask. he had done on ESPN. On one, Dickie V alluded to the Yanks winning, and Schulman kept on dismissing him, by repeating the same line over and over. I just dont remember what the line was.
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....lomar.html
I’ll withhold judgment on his other incidents, but I admire the fact that he retired once he felt he could no longer perform up to his capabilities. I had no idea Alomar wished he had been a Yankee………
Phil, I was kidding, lol……….Yankee Trader, thanks!
Doreen, I love Barry Manilow……
I’ll say this again
1. Doc has a NTC
2. Doc Wants to be a Yankee
It’s not that hard. 2 + 2 doesn’t = 5.
Tom, I couldn’t disagree more. Yankee haters love to hear Yankee fans talk like that, lol. There are no guarantees in life or in sports…the games still have to be played. I’m not worried about whether other fans think our success is fair. It’s not fair that we have to freaking subsidize the crappy Marlins, the Pirates, the Royals……but we do.
Abdababdaserser,
Henry is just complaining because he sees that it’s going to start getting really expensive over the next 2 years to keep his team together, and as he finds new ways to increase his revenues he knows he has to give away 31% of those increased revenues.
Meanwhile, the Yankees just opened a new stadium and their shared revenue will actually go down even as their profits went through the roof.
How is this possible?
Most of the revenue boost can’t be touched by baseball! (their concession business with the cowboys, yes network advertising revenue, stadium stores & restaurants, stadium sponsorship deals, previously city owned advertising billboard near stadium ect., stadium events in the future)
On top of that, the Yankees get to deduct about 80M+ off their reported revenues due to debt service & stadium maintenance costs. So that’s 24.8M+ less in revenue sharing (31% of 80M) that the Yankees will kick in this year. Add in the Mets stadium costs deductions and the small market teams will get 40M+ less in revenue sharing this year.
What does this mean?
The small market owners will look to get back that 40M per year. Henry probably fears that their solution will be to increase the revenue sharing %, which means the Redsox will be forced to share more money, while the Yankees with their new off the books revenue streams and stadium costs deductions would still pay less than in the old stadium.
I love how people are painting Kelly as Montero’s equal. How do the Sox get all these media members to overhype their guys?
So if the Sox give up Kelly, we have to give up Montero because that is what Anthopolous equates as comparable packages?
There’s always a price for the Yanks, and one for everyone else including Boston. Halladay himself is the only one who can bring justice to this negotiation— use the NTC the way it was intended and tell them you want to be a Yankee.
We’re not giving up Montero.
Betsy
Yankees have won a WS since Torre and company left.I believe Cashman was being undermined.
I read on ajc.com(tAlanta journal-constitution paper)They want Torre after this year,Bobby Cox is leaving go figure!
Got any funny movies?
Anybody watching the Christmas in New York on NBC special?
They said they had a surprise. I wonder if maybe Jeter is there.
Interesting perspective from the Bule Jay fans by way of the site supplied by breadan ……
Damon – not as funny as Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus. Airplane is one of the funnies movies of all time – I could quote that all day…..Fletch is hilarious ,a real cult classic.
So who’s this guy that Rebecca’s seeing? I don’t usually nose into other people’s personal lives (haha), but she teased it yesterday…
Box Car,
Right now Casey Kelly is basically the same as Jairo Heredia with a bit less fastball.
You gotta love when a 20 year old with 48 innings @ A+ and a 87-91 mph fastball as a RHP is being put on the same level with a 20 year old catcher that has shown 300+ ba & 30+ hr ability and could start in AAA.
This is Hughes and Bowden all over again!
The good news…
GMs don’t believe the hype! The former Tor GM didn’t like Buchholz at all (turns 26 this year), and Seattle turned down basically their entire farm system for Felix. Tor wants A level prospects that are already in the majors or less than 1 year away from the majors, not players in A ball.
They are going to get Halladay and on their terms
Jays GM has no leverage… Halladay wants to be a Yankee and won’t approve a trade midseason. Not going to be many happy Blue Jays fans if all the Jays get for their franchise player is a couple of draft picks in the 30s and 40s. And depending on who signs him, they may not even get a 1st round pick (like they didn’t for Burnett last year because CC/Tex were ranked higher, or if a bottom 15 team signs him).
Jays have to trade him and they know that. Yanks will get him on their terms.
Phil, I agree with you, I cannot see Cashman trading Montero or Young Master Hughes………m, whatever sportswriter Rebecca is dating & if that writer writes for a paper in the Tri-State area, chances are she’s the better writer, even without all the contacts……
torre was not dissmissed, his contract ended and he was not re-signed.
and the yankees made a superb choice in passing on mattingly and signing giradi instead.
I love that comment from the fan who says Doc’s comments make him out to be self-serving (or something to that effect). Is he kidding? Doc has busted his behind for that organizationo for a long time. He earned that NTC and he has the right to use it any way he wants to. He’s supposed to be chained to the Blue Jays for life?
Doc has all the leverage! They’ll get Edwar and Igawa and they’ll like it!
I hope she’s not dating Pukica……….
lupica’s old enough to be her grandad
So now the word that Doc wants to be a Yankee is gospel?
I want to believe the beneficial rumors just as much as the next naive person, but I’ve learned to ignore rumors for the most part.
JK -
Great post.
Earlier today in another post I pointed out how at first I was impressed with Henry’s statement, at least until the finer points became apparent, which were, as you said, the Yankees and Mets being kind of off the hook for revenue sharing contributions, as well as making the luxury tax threshhold lower so that it would kick in at a lesser amount = so the Yankees would still get the greatest hit to make up for lost revenue with increased luxury tax.
I believe the Yankees are seeing the writing on the wall, and that is one reason why the push to get payroll in a little more reasonable range.
Henry’s statements are self-serving. The Sox also pay luxury taxes on a regular basis.
Gammons is the only sportswriter we’ve all heard of.
“1. The known likes of Kennedy, Romine and McAllister is better than 2 unknown draft picks, in my opinion.”
that’s what I’ve been saying all along.
“Betsy – high on pie says:
December 2, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I hope she’s not dating Pukica……….”
isn’t he married? He’s also old enough to be her dad!
On second thought Hefner is dating girls young enough to be his great granddaughters so you never know.
While Lupica is old enough to be her grandfather, Lupica is the kind of sick pervert to prey on young women.
back up the dump trucks of smut guys…
m,
believe it. In fact, I have grave doubts that he has approved any other destination.
Unless Doc only wants to be a Yankee and would refuse a trade to Boston, LA, Philly or any other team… then it doesn’t mean much if he wants to be a Yankee. Does he want to be a Yankee exclusively or does he want to be a Yankee but will go to any team contender on his list?
If Boston trades for him and offers him an extension, what’s he going to do, refuse to go?
m -
Rebecca’s fella writes for a Yankees minor league team.
why are people gossiping about Rebecca?
Betsy – that was a great link to the Cashman interview. I knew Cash was really getting into the stat analysis, and that was a big reason why Girardi won the job, but the rest of it, about Torre and his coaches, was new to me – and very interesting. If accurate, then Mattingly will be a 20th century manager in a 21st century baseball world.
I recall Tony Pena not being one of the Torre inner clique (Bowa, Donnie being there), and since Tony is a great baseball pro, who’s a tremendous coach, that may have given him the bench coach slot.
Apart from how it paints Torre, and his relationship to Cash, it was great reading about Cash goes about the job.
that “wants to be a yankee” stuff is such a bunch of crap. we hear this every time a guy is on the trading block. It has the same value as when boras says he has ‘several offers’ for one of his clients, which means he wants more money than whats on the table at the time he says it.
Doreen,
That’s kinda sorta what I thought. Actually, I first thought of CJ, but he doesn’t cover a minor league team anymore…anymore, anymore, does that rhyme with the young fella’s last name?
There is one other baseball writer we have all heard of…he shares the same first name as Mr. Gammons…he has spiritual ties to the swamps of Jersey…the reverberations would rock the Yankeespere through the winter…
Why? Because she teased it. She wants me to figure it out. lol. AND she told me she’d never get married, so I’m watching her like a hawk.
Hmmm, she did go to the games up in Scranton and Pete was here then… you don’t suppose….
Isn’t this how rumors start? lol.
I know some of what Henry said was self serving, and I don’t really have a problem with what he said. I agree with most of it.
My point is you look at all the things the Red Sox organization has done recently. The signings for questionable but cost effective pitchers last season. While they were after Teixeira, that kind of money could have gone into improving their rotation or some other move to prop up their weak areas.
Even getting Victor wasn’t a high cost move for them. This year they are talking of Harden, Sheets, Bedard, which will probably be short term signings. The offer to Bay, who they are supposed to be so high on for 60/4 or 60/5 depending on which source.
Henry’s hedge funds took a very big hit with the economic downturn.
Henry also claims that Boston is a lowly 16th ranked market, when it is actually something like 7th. (A big difference).
You don’t normally go on a rant about money issues unless you have money issues. (Brewers last season complaining about not being able to sign CC and how unfair it was in baseball when the Yankees could spend so much).
They also didn’t pick up a very reasonable Wakefield and renegotiated a lower cost for him. They didn’t pick up their captain while knowing that he would probably take his player option (saving them a couple of million).
There is just too much of this on their side that looks like they are not as flowing in cash as they pretend to be. They aren’t broke, but I think they are a lot less flush than is being said, which limits them.
The same with the Blue Jays. Their numbers are down and have been dropping over the years. They have a terrible contract in Wells that they are saddled with. Their owner died and there was talk they are going to sell.
The filter here is idiotic.
m -
Yup.
Henry’s hedefund had troubles before the economic downturn started.
From T. Kepner’s blog:
The Yankees did not offer salary arbitration to Johnny Damon on Tuesday, which may not be such a bad thing. Damon, who is in Paris, said he was encouraged.
“In a better position since teams won’t lose draft picks,” Damon said in a text message. “Will now wait and see what develops.”
Phil, yes it did, and was even worse after the economy tanked. What does that tell you?
guy, his hedgefund may not be doing as well as it once did, but remember, his investment in the red socks has gone waaaaaaay up in value. also, dont u think he had diversified his holdings in other ways since becoming so rich?
yankees fans may consider him the devil incarnate, but he’s certinaly not stupid.
“The Sox also pay luxury taxes on a regular basis.”
Yeah, kinda. Since the tax has been instituted, the Yankees have been responsible for 90% of the luxury tax paid. Angels paid just under a million the one year they went over, the Tigers paid $1.3 million last year and Boston has paid $14 million, going over the threshold 4 times. The Yankees have gone over the threshold all six times and have paid $148 million. I believe that the magic number for ’09 was $155M, a number exceeded only by the Yankees, so they’ll likely be getting a bill for another $20M sometime this month.