Yankees reportedly looking to cut payroll
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2009 
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ESPN is reporting that the Yankees will look to cut payroll this offseason, possibly by more than $20 million to get the total down to around $185 million. Our friend Marc Carig is hearing the same thing about a diminished payroll.
Even with the cut, the Yankees still have some room to make a move, but a huge free agent splash might be out of the question. This is what last year was about. The Yankees made their major investments last winter and will spend this winter filling in the gaps.
Whatever the reports, it’s impossible to rule the Yankees out of anything, but it certainly seems that they’re going to try to cut costs.
In my opinion, a payroll cut wouldn’t be such a bad idea. Its better to get the payroll lowered in 2010 so that they Yankees can commit more $$$ to next year’s free agent class (which is much better than this year’s class).
Forget about repeating if it’s 185M.
HOW WILL WE EVER WIN THE WORLD SERIES WHEN WE ONLY SPEND 185 MILLION?!?!?!!?!?!!?!
the 185 number is a load of crap.
if the yanks spend smart and draft right they can cut payroll and become a better team
Theo prospect hugs more than Cashman.
He isin’t going to Boston. Boston does not have the prospects. They are not giving up Buchholz AND Kelly AND Westermoreland.
That’s what it takes for them to have a better package than Kennedy, Romine, and McAllister.
We don’t need to include Joba, Hughes, or Jesus. Why should we? They are better than anything the Sox have. We can put together a deep enough secondary package than anything the Sox can, barring that aforementioned package.
Doc is going to end up a Yankee and it will be much cheaper than you think. He has a NTC and wants to be a Yankee. Jays have 0 leverage. There is no darkhorse LA Dodgers, White Sox, or Mets team that could become desperate like in most trade negotiations. This negotiation involves two teams. And we’ll be the one to get him because we have more.
My own projections of Yankee payroll were as follows:
2009 – $205-209 million
2010 – $195-197 million
2011 – $196-198 million
2012 – $171-175 million
Will be hard to do $185 mil, unless we listen to Phil and have Miranda as the DH. All in favor, raise your hands?
All opposed?
Phil December 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
the 185 number is a load of crap.
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No kidding. I’ll believe it when I see it…
We can absolutely still contend with $185 million, and bring back Andy plus one of Damon/Matsui.
But we need to cut a little more off the payroll. We can’t afford to have guys like Gaudin and Bruney making probably $4.5 mil in arbitration. We also need to not bring back Wang, Hairston, Molina, Nady, or Hinske… none of which were probably coming back anyway. Replace those guys cheap internally.
But if our payroll is $170 million now, subtract 5 mil from Gaudin/Bruney and it is $165. That is $20 million free. Give $10 mil to Andy, $10 mil to Matsui or Damon.
Again… $185 is not as unreasonable as you think. We can still bring back 2 guys with that.
We don’t need a big payroll to be the best. During the Dynasty years the Yankees had a much lower payroll and was the best team of the decade. As the old veterans leave and the guys in the farm take there place the payroll will continue to go down. I still think the yankees will have a high payroll because they will continue to use free agency and they are a large market team, but the payroll should go down.
Much depends on what transpires at the winter meetings before a final payroll decision is made.
“We can absolutely still contend with $185 million, and bring back Andy plus one of Damon/Matsui.”
The payroll is at about 170M now, so how you’re going to do that?
This definitely makes the offseason a lot more interesting. Im curious to see what Cashman does. Does he get creative, or just plug holes from within the system? Im a little exciting to see how this all turns out.
Goodbye Damon
Goodbye Zilla
Goodbye repeat
Dan
December 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
We can absolutely still contend with $185 million, and bring back Andy plus one of Damon/Matsui.
But we need to cut a little more off the payroll. We can’t afford to have guys like Gaudin and Bruney making probably $4.5 mil in arbitration. We also need to not bring back Wang, Hairston, Molina, Nady, or Hinske… none of which were probably coming back anyway. Replace those guys cheap internally.
But if our payroll is $170 million now, subtract 5 mil from Gaudin/Bruney and it is $165. That is $20 million free. Give $10 mil to Andy, $10 mil to Matsui or Damon.
Again… $185 is not as unreasonable as you think. We can still bring back 2 guys with that.
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i agree we can do exactly what you said
sign pettitte & let all the scrubs go
pena,cervelli,gardy,ajax are our bench but would like to see a trade for a good young pitcher like cain,etc…
if we are going to lower payroll we should never stop trying to better the rotation so we can take the hit on offense
Dan, you’ve not accounted for standard raises and also that players like CC, Cano and others, actually make more next season.
In my projections, Bruney only got $1.5 mil, and Gaudin $2.25 mil. Wang wasn’t even accounted for.
Point is, with just Pettitte @ 10 mil, Damon or Matsui @ 10 mil (max), and (in my analysis) Nady in LF @ $5 mil, you arrived at $195.1!
Play with the numbers all you want, but give or take 2 to 4 million, we’re all going to be in the same range. The only way to get to $185 mil is NOT to spend $26 million on Free Agents. IF $185 is the number, then the BUDGET is $16 million (or so – give or take that 2 to 4 mil range).
Aliens will land on Bubba Crosby before the Yanks open the 2010 season with a $185M payroll.
*excited
I think that some fail to realize that the reason why Cashman developed the farm and spent a lot last year was to lead the team in a younger direction. I could see the payroll going down over the next couple of years.
I think the Yankees should just concede the 2010 season to the Red Sox…..I mean, they did sign Marco Scutaro!!!
They are not cutting ticket or food prices. All they are doing is lining their pocket with $20 mil.
I didn’t forget Swish he’s on the bench and maybe DH’ing some….
How is Ankiel terrible? in ‘08 he had a better season than Swish had for us last year and he’s a plus-plus glove in RF/CF…..
Last year he hurt his shoulder crashing into a wall making a great catch and then lost his starting spot to Colby Rasmus the Cards #1 prospect who they wanted to transition in with Ankiel in his walk year.
I’ve seen Ankiel hit 2 monster Homers off of Johan and i think if we can get him hooked up with Kevin Long he may be able to produce for us like Ethier is doing for LA after hooking up with Mattingly. When Ethier came over from the A’s he wasn’t anywhere near the hitter he is today.
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A few things, there is no way Swisher is on the bench while Melky/Gardner are in the field. Sorry thats lunacy. Secondly, in what realm was Ankiel better than Swisher ?
Last year Ankiel hit .267/.337/.506 (after hitting .285/.328/.535) and then proceeded to hit .231/.285/.387. And he was hitting poorly BEFORE injury. He hit the same garbage numbers all season long.
Nick Swisher hit .249/.371/.498. The closest Ankiel has EVER come to Nick Swisher last year was his first season as a hitter in which he ‘broke out’ because no one had a book on him as a hitter.
By any metric he is not a good defender in center or right. His best fielding position is left (negative UZR in center/right). His best tools are arm and power, he doesn’t steal bases, he doesn’t hit for average, he strikes out a lot while also not walking (great combo!).
For example
In 200 more PA’s than Ankiel, Nick Swisher struck out only 30 more times but also walked 70 more times.
Ankiel is like the Adam Dunn of the tools crowd. He looks like he has some nice tools, but isn’t a legit baseballer. He had his shot as a pitcher, and it was awesome for him to come back as a hitter, but once the league figured him out he just doesn’t have the tools to be a major league bat on a championship team.
Ankiel is a guy the orioles or the rays sign and hope they can get the .330 OBP and the .500 slugging, but end up with the sub .300 OBP and a .450 slg and get ruined for it
Saint,
Exactly. It is going to be virtually impossible to adhere to that $185 million without getting considerably worse.
Jerkface
December 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
HOW WILL WE EVER WIN THE WORLD SERIES WHEN WE ONLY SPEND 185 MILLION?!?!?!!?!?!!?!
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sign pettitte & trade for matt cain,etc…
if miranda & ajax give us 80 & 50 rbi we lose about 45 rbi
arod should give us at least 20 more probably more
i think we should just sign pettitte & trade for a good young pitcher
we have the prospects to get it done
I knew it — they wasted too much money on the new stadium and blew too much champaign in the post season.
What they start the season with and what they end the season with may end up being two completely different animals.
After all the Cashman bashing I’ve taken part in over the years, I man enough to step up and say: I trust in Cashman’s plan.
$185?
Hal does want to repeat next year, doesn’t he?
You can forget Chapman
Sniffle. I miss the Boss ;(
We are NOT in on Halladay. That is just Heyman doing his bidding for Boras, to drive up the price by including the Yankees…
Craap. I knew the stadium steakhouse was losing money.
Well, at least we’ll have our October free.
Damn you, Hal!
Hal is a businessman… he’ll do what he has to do in order to make a profit. Why shouldn’t he cut payroll if it means he gets to pocket a little more $$$? We can still compete with a lower payroll, so why spend extra money for no reason?
if we don’t bring back jh,wang,hinske,nady,etc… & our payroll is 165 million because we let them go we can sign pettitte for 10 million then trade for a matt cain type pitcher(just an example) & be sitting at 180-185 million but we strengthen our starting pitching wich is what i think the focus should be on
of of
melky
ajax
swisher
dh
miranda
rotation of
cc
burnett
matt cain(just an example)
pettitte
hughes/joba/???
miranda’s & ajax’s production probably can’t match damon & matsui but with better pitching we are fine & we have a nice tight payroll
it is doable but pitching is the key
we can’t spread ourselves to thin here
People need to keep their pants on regarding payroll and wait until Spring Training (when all of the offseason moves have been made) before you start leaping off the GWB.
I took Cashman at his word last season when he talked at length about cutting payroll. Didn’t quite turn out that way.
The hot stove season is full of info and a whole lot of BS. Be patient and take it with a grain of salt.
Ok fine.. we are cutting payroll .
Get Sheets or Harden. trade for a LF and lets rock and roll !!
Jeremy
December 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I think that some fail to realize that the reason why Cashman developed the farm and spent a lot last year was to lead the team in a younger direction. I could see the payroll going down over the next couple of years.
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but in order to compete the prospects have to perform
time will tell
with our revenue resources we should be in a little better position
we don’t win people don’t buy tickets
pitching,pitching,pitching…
Sorry, I’m not keeping my pants on ’til Spring Training.
this is bull. Remember the $ 180 Million payroll last year? It’s just E-Sox-PN trying to set the Yankees up for being branded as reckless spenders when it doesn’t happen.
The Yanks didn’t say 185, Mr. Can’t Read the Tea Leaves, Buster Olney, said that that was a number he heard during the season. That was before the Yanks won, before they discovered they were more than 100M over their most optimistic projections. They’re gonna put a great team out there and defend their title and they are gonna be over 185M.
We’re going to deduct Nady, Gaudin, Bruney, Hairston, Wang, Hinske, Molina from the payroll. We’re going to bring back only one of Damon/Hideki. And we’re not going to sign any big FAs or trade for anyone with a large salary.
Seems like an effective way to cut payroll. Get rid of all the bench guys and replace them cheeper, let one of the big bats walk as well. Factor in the raises to guys, and we’ll slash some payroll without losing a lot from our team.
We can replace guys like Hinske/Hairson/Gaudin etc. with guys in the farm and save money doing it. Every dollar counts. Why spend $2 million for Hairston when you can use Pena for 400K? Why Gaudin for $2.5 mil when you have Kennedy for 400K?
That is probably what he means by cutting payroll. It’s not the end of the world.
whining over a $185 mill payroll give me a break..
the loud mouths are hilarious. montero, ajax, and either joba or hughes for halladay and they are all for it…..
i say no friggin way montero gets traded periond..
how about hughes or joba, kennedy, and romine….
they would have replaced halladay for wither hughes or joba and lost kennedy who will pitch in the majors and 1 of there 2 stud catchers…
george must not have really been in those meetings
DTX
December 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Saint,
Exactly. It is going to be virtually impossible to adhere to that $185 million without getting considerably worse.
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not true
anything is possible
trade for a pitcher & sign pettitte
let the kids play
pena,cervelli,gardner,ajax,miranda
we will be fine as long as we sign pettitte & trade for a pitcher
pitching wins & we’ve had offenses that weren’t nearly as good
i think miranda can be huge
I agree Giuseppe. Too early to start over-reacting. Making 10+% reductions in payroll is tough, especially when escalations are built in.
Well, so far I’ve had to accept:
1. That at least one of Damon or Matsui, and possibly both, will not be returning.
2. That Wang may no longer be a Yankee.
3. That Mike Gonzalez won’t be under the tree and added to the bullpen.
I can live with 1 and 3. Still having problems with 2.
I agree Giuseppe. Too early to start over-reacting. Making 10+% reductions in payroll is tough, especially when escalations are built in.
Well, so far I’ve had to accept:
1. That at least one of Damon or Matsui, and possibly both, will not be returning.
2. That Wang may no longer be a Yankee.
3. That Mike Gonzalez won’t be under the tree and added to the bullpen.
I can live with 1 and 3. Still having problems with 2.
I’m sorry but I think that some of the fans have become spoiled. Acting like every great player should be on the team. That kind of thinking resulted in the Yankees becoming a old pathetic team during the 80′s and early 90′s, and the 2000′s. I don’t mind us getting good free agent talent and spending money but why do fans believe that we should just buy every single great talent. We need to develop talent and buy players instead of just buying players. As a Yankee fan I want to see some original yankees, not a team full of talent that was bought.
Hey this is just a way to keep the agents honest and get numbers to be reasonable. It will end up at $195 million or 10% more. Joba and Phil in the rotation. Melky in left. Gardner in Center.
The Yankees are not the Florida Marlins. Don’t buy this B.S. propaganda. It wasn’t true last year when Pete and others tried conning us into believing that Teixiera could never happen.
I don’t doubt that Hal wants to get his hands around the spending and wants the investment in young talent to pay off. I also have no doubt that the Yanks are unwilling to go into 2010 with all kids on the bench and in 3/5 of the rotation.
anybody who thinks the yankees cant win with a lower (but still the highest) payroll is just a front-running band-wagon piece of crap and i hope you take this opportunity to get off the bandwagon and go root for the mets.
theres way too many of these creeps around anyway.
stuart
I would not give up Hughes. That guy has the potential to be a top starter.
I think that some of the fans are crazy. Some of you would have traded Rivera, Jeter, Posada, Andy P., and Bernie if you had the chance thinking that none of those guys had talent.
i think pettitte comes back for sure if he want’s to
matsui & damon also but for a ton less money
or maybe one of them & call it a winter
NY Post
“Right now our bench is weak, left field is weak and we lost our DH, World Series MVP and No. 3 starter,’’ Cashman said. “There are areas of need.’’
i think pettitte comes back for sure if he want’s to
matsui & damon also but for a ton less money
or maybe one of them & call it a winter
attendance was down from last year at the stadium i believe
something like a half of a million tickets whatever that tells us i don’t know because i am sure we got breaks elsewhere.
i think we are getting sick of giving other teams our money & we are 1 of only a few that pay a lux tax if not the only one.
Jeremy, I have no problem with Cervelli as my backup C, Pena as a utility infielder, a bullpen that possibly includes Coke, Robertson, and Melancon, a starting rotation that includes Joba and Hughes, and Gardner and Melky as outfielders. That’s possibly up to 9 out of the 25-man roster. That’s pretty impressive.
But you’ve got to have experienced depth, generally in the top of your rotation, your key bullpen arms, and your bench.
It’s a blancing act, and we’ll see how well Cashman balances it. Just know that the team you start with is NOT the team you finish the season with. It never is.
first off we can absolutely repeat next year with a reduced payroll of 185mil
#1-the core of this team are HOF’ers and borderline HOF’ers
(ARod,Jeet,Tex,CC,Pett,Mo,Jorge)
#2-the “cheap”,young contibuting talent on this team are potential all star caliber talents(Cano,Joba,Hughes)
#3-the supporting players are young,hungry,good and will be cheap and productive for the next couple of years(Melky,Gardner,Pena,Cervelli)
we have a $100mil infield, 50+mil in tho top 3 in the rotation in CC,AJ,Pett
Ham Fighters
I agree. I can’t stand these spoiled bandwagon fans. Go join Los Mets and go to Citi Field where you can cheer for all those washed up Latino players.
Now why make an ethnic slur?
Nick
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We’re the New York Yankees… I don’t want my team lower payroll.
some of these comments sicken me….185 million is not good enough? lets see how this pans out…the yanks will not purposely field a bad team just to save money..
latino has nothing to do with it, crap-o-la organization is what is killing the mets.
“We can absolutely still contend with $185 million, and bring back Andy plus one of Damon/Matsui.”
The problem with that is it still leaves us short either 28 HR/90 RBI or 100+ runs scored at the top of the lineup. There’s no one internally who can fill that type of production.
The Yankees can save a lot of money by completely subtracting Wang, Nady, and Molina, and paying Damon about $5 M less than last year’s salary. But I really think they need a hitter to replace Matsui, even if it’s just a Nick Johnson type. And ideally you’d like a little more insurance in the rotation. Otherwise the pitching staff is worse than what we began 2009 with (ie. Wang as #2).
I think we all need to take a deep breath . WE JUST WON THE WORLD SERIES 4 weeks ago. remember !
We have a great team. Cashman will make the moves. Have some faith
bru,
attendance was down, in part, because there are fewer seats at the new stadium. Regardless the Yanks lead both home and road attendance by a good margin this year.
“we lost our DH, World Series MVP…”
Negotiating blunder?
NY Post
“Right now our bench is weak, left field is weak and we lost our DH, World Series MVP and No. 3 starter,’’ Cashman said. “There are areas of need.’’
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Can’t argue with Cashman. This isn’t exactly breaking news when all those areas are where the players that are now FAs were filling.
Once I built a railroad, I made it run, made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad; now it’s done. Brother, can you spare a $20 mill?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun, brick, and rivet, and lime;
Once I built a tower, now it’s done. Brother, can you spare a $20 mill?
I wasn’t making an ethnic slur. I don’t care who is on a team your color could be purple for all I care. But Omar Minaya does spend a lot of money on washed up players and many of them are Latino. How is that offensive ? Even my firends who are Mets fans say it.
you’re wrong about Ankiel Jerky…imo he could be a diamond in the rough move like Paul O’niel with more power…
again if Long could put his hands on him and cut down some on the k’s the average and obp go up and his power and glove would be unreal in our stadium i think we may have a gem in him.
again look at what Ethier was before he got to LA
The Four Tops come mind “” Same Old Song “”……Yanks drew 7.6 million in 2009….Heard this last season…I think this is for the GM’s & Agents something to think about over the weekend…..View as an openning bid….Wonder if it catches Johnny Damon’s attention…..I still think this is the season Cashman tries to make a name for himself by making some splashing in the trade waters….
other ways the yankees can save money other than lowering the mlb payroll:
fire john sterling
give away key igawa
turn down the *$#&ing volume on that damn noise they think you need blasting in your ears to enjoy the ballgame
more day games
O/T
Amanda Knox (Foxy Knoxy) was just convicted and sentenced to 26 years in prison!
Holy Cow. What a waste of talent!
“if you’re not moving forward, then you’re moving backward”
Ham Fighters.
I like Sterling !!
The point is that if your a bandwagon fan you should go watch the Mets because they will spend money and finish 4th in the NL east.
You guys have to stop drinking the Kool-aid! There is absolutely no evidence the Yanks are going to drop payroll by more than $ 20 Million other than some claim from some ESOXPN pecker head.
Don’t worry, be happy and watch it all play out. The payroll may go down a bit, but it won’t be THAT much.
Swish on the bench? I don’t think so. Doesn’t his salary bump up to $12M this year?
They could totally do this. Hideki for $6M. Andy for with another incentive-laden contract. Phil and Aceves for a cool million. Trade Melky if he costs too much. Gardner in CF. Jackson in LF. Joba as the setup. Cervelli as the backup C.
That $32M is starting to look ridiculous.
Wonder how many prospects they would have to kick in ti trade sterling for vin sculy
Look at the guys Omar just signed— Cora, Chris Coste, Henry Blanco… all washed up Latino players.
Rather than allotting money to a guy like Holliday pr Lackey, they chose to allot it to those players.
If you like Sterling you must not give a damn about what’s happening on the field because you’d never know listening to the radio broadcast.
Homers that aren’t, great plays that weren’t, non existent strategies including once speculating on a hit and run with the bases loaded… please.
I think Aceves has to absolutely be in the rotation this year.
It is just a matter of the Yanks give him a fair chance to win a spot before regulating him to a long man.
Pat M.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
The Four Tops come mind “” Same Old Song “”……Yanks drew 7.6 million in 2009….Heard this last season…I think this is for the GM’s & Agents something to think about over the weekend…..View as an openning bid….Wonder if it catches Johnny Damon’s attention…..I still think this is the season Cashman tries to make a name for himself by making some splashing in the trade waters….
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You sure on the attendence number? Sounds high. I thought it was nearer 4 mil.
$185 million payroll and lots of needs sounds like a message to the Boras/Damon team.
Saying the Bank Of Yankees is closed and meaning it are 2 different things though.
Pat’s numbers are home and away.
its so unbelievable that people like sterling, he’s all schtick and no baseball. do u want to be entertained by what’s going on on the field or by a clown?
86w183
Yeah Sterling makes a bad call here and there. But please you make it sound like the guys screws up every play. Nobody is perfect .
and YES i do give a damn about whats going on on the field . And John does a good enough job for me.
And ever announcer is a Homer . Look who’s cutting there checks
I like listening to Sterling and don’t mind the HR calls, but he drives me absolutely insane with “It is High! It is Far! It is…Caught aat the wall!”
There was 1 game we lost in 08′ vs. the Mets he must have done that five times, I nearly broke the radio.
To have a 185M dollar payroll that means they need a starting pitcher , a LF, and a DH with 15M. It aint happenin, now they may lower the payroll but not 20M in one year
again, the 185 number is not from the Yanks, it’s from Buster Olney.
Sterling is not germane to the payroll/luxury tax issue! Focus, people, focus!
I’ll believe that “cutting payroll” story when it comes true. Funny, an almost identical rumor was released last year around this time..
I disagree with the starting pitcher. We do not need a starting pitcher. We have a great number 1, legit two and threes, and two young studs who we have to give a shot eventually. Might as well be now.
Patrick-
Last year, we DID cut payroll.
Phil
December 4th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Pat’s numbers are home and away.
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That makes sense. Thanks.
Buster seems like a nice enough guy and I think he’s one of the few baseball guys at ESPN that don’t have an agenda, but he’s usually not real good with the predictions
focus??!!??
…like we’re some kind of think-tank thats supposed to work out some kind of plan to reach a payroll # that some talking heads at espn say is the yankees target payroll ?
…now that’s a scary thought…
Giving away Kei Igawa would LOSE us money.
I am going to call a bluff on this one.
I like the bluff, will keep everyone on their toes, but its a bluff all the same.
wait till we……
you’re gonna analyze a tongue-in-cheek joke about cutting payroll?
don’t know how they plan on cutting to $185 m if we’re already at $170 m, and that doesn’t include: pettitte, damon, matsui, wang… not to mention if the $170m includes (or not) raises for joba, hughes, melky, bruney, etc, which are 10-15 kids that we’ll probably be keeping.
someone explain the math to me because it’s not computing!
The Yanks should say they are cutting payroll every year. They still have to negotiate with people.
Ham Fighters-
I’m not analyzing anything, it just seemed obvious to me when I read it.
Cashman should hold a press conference and say they are cutting payroll by 20M…..sike.
Ham Fighters
December 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
focus??!!??
…like we’re some kind of think-tank thats supposed to work out some kind of plan to reach a payroll # that some talking heads at espn say is the yankees target payroll ?
…now that’s a scary thought…
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LMAO
Oh, my. Someone didn’t get my joke…
just kidding m, u know you’re one of my faves….
The Yankees will surely try to cut payroll, but I don’t think it will be the overriding concern when making personnel decisions. Attendance was way down this year, however, that has to be a cooncern, although most of their money comes from other sources.
2006- 4.243 million pct of capacity- 91.2
2007- 4.271 ” ” ” ” 91.9
2008- 4.298 ” ” ” ” 92.3
2009- 3.719 ” ” ” ” 87.8
That is very significant, especially since the ’08 team was the worst team since ’93, and this year was the best team since ’98 with a brand new park.
m
December 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Oh, my. Someone didn’t get my joke…
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m, I got your joke, I just cracked up at the “think tank” comment.
Right now the Yanks have $170 million already on the books for 2010. If we are to believe this goofy story that the Yanks plan on cutting back to 185 million, that means they have 15 million to spend.
So basically Olney is telling us that the Yanks will spend 15 million on a LF, DH, Starting Pitcher, 2 spots in the bullpen, and 3 bench players.
We can safely assume that Pena, Russo and Cervelli will take up 2 of those 3 bench spots.
There are reports that the Yankees are making signing Pettitte a priority and he will take at least $10 million.
That leaves $5 million for a LF, DH, 1 bench player and 2 relievers. The relievers can be found in our minor league system so lets forget those for now.
So now we have $5 mill for an LF, DH, 1 bench player and money for arb eligible players. Unless the Yanks plan on giving starting jobs to Miranda and Jackson, the numbers simply don’t add up. Considering the Yanks just won the world series and want to repeat, I highly highly doubt that will happen.
Olney really is a hack, anyone with 1st grade math skills and a basic knowledge of the Yankees needs can see how fake his story is.
Hal Steinbrenner = Scrooge
Attendence was down. However. Ticket prices were up. Plus the money made in and around the Stadium. it all evens out
HF,
Oh! That was good. Totally had me fooled. Seriously, though. $185 is doable, but it means a lot of farm hands on deck. And a busy Scranton shuttle.
Booby prize to the first person who predicts that Melancon will be the EIG.
Hal Steinbrenner = Esteemed Graduate of the Best College in the Country.
cheetah, relax! how can u be hating on hal when his team just won another championship, thanks in a very large part to his approving the teixeira deal, which was definitly over the target budget for last year.
lets just call it a ‘soft’ target and leave it at that…
“Patrick-
Last year, we DID cut payroll. ”
Wow by 8 million, that’s not really significant. The same stories were around this time last year about the Yanks planning on cutting it to around $180-185 mill. It didn’t happen then, it’s not happening now.
They will be just under $200 million, if lucky.
I know of two HUGHE announcemnets comming at the Winter Meetings. I expect both to be bigger than any player signing or news mad during
Will Caroll-
Metsblog.com *a friend refered me *
Interesting
Patrick-You implied that last year we didn’t cut payroll, and we did.
I agree, we’re not going to cut ny nearly as much as the press says, but I do believe we’ll cut.
refered? Is that supposed to be “reefered?”
One announcement will be about Kevin Towers. Though I don’t know how that can be bigger than a Halladay trade or where Bay & Holliday end up.
i think the money guys really do want to get the payroll under $200M, just because that looks alot less ostentatious, but when they see value, like they did with tex last year, they will pounce.
lets remember that under hal, the payroll has gone up like $50M per year already.
“HUGHE”
A typo or a hint it involves Master Philip?
My cousin — at whose wedding I officiated — works at a real think tank. That was deeply offensive. Deeply!
Sorry for the typo guys. I was try type it out as fast as i could. for some reason my cut and past buttons aren’t working,
But you can check it out on Metsblog.com
NISF,
Are you a justice of the peace? I find that hard to believe.
Nick in SF
December 4th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
My cousin — at whose wedding I officiated — works at a real think tank. That was deeply offensive. Deeply
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Nick, now I feel guilty for laughing. Forgive me?
Carroll blocked me on Twitter for saying Omar Minaya was a dumb GM.
any idea on what it could be Phil ?? theres 2
Sometimes you have to lay down the law to keep the peace.
But no, I was temporarily ordained.
I wonder if it would possible to get some payroll flexibility by restructuring some contracts? When ARod was going to be traded to Red Sox, he was willing to do it, but the union forbade it (or CBA) because the restructured contract was of lower value. But by moving monies from a few palyers back a few years, with interest, the Yankees could free up $20M for some real flexibility under the $185M budget.
id bet its an international draft for one.
offended at the think-tank comment? huh?
For the time being, many of you are overreacting to rumor. The winter meetings will bring some clarity. Until then, sit back and enjoy #27. Think about how many you obsessed over Trixeira going to Boston last December.
# Phil December 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Hal Steinbrenner = Esteemed Graduate of the Best College in the Country.
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Really? I didn’t know he graduated from Wasilia.
“Patrick-You implied that last year we didn’t cut payroll, and we did.
I agree, we’re not going to cut ny nearly as much as the press says, but I do believe we’ll cut. ”
You’re right. However, I believe for the Yankees the difference between 209 million and 201 million is nil. That’s a less than 4% reduction in payroll. Minuscule.
Hey, I like obsessing. Keeps me from getting depressed regarding what the economy is doing to MY business. Leave my mental respite alone!
It’s time to think bold.
Out with Sterling and Waldman.
In with Wang and Matsui.
Total Yankee broadcast ingenuity. The team that brought the first woman broadcaster to the World Series would supply the first non-English speaking English broadcast team.
It will be like having Scooter and White back.
Who doesn’t want to hear “It is high, It is far It is caught at the wall” in Taiwanese? “An A-bomb from A-rod” in Japanese would be classic. “You know Hideki, Who can really predict baseball?” in Taiwanese would translate to an advertising bonanza.
When Kei Igawa’s contract is up, we can think about three in the booth – but that’s getting ahead of ourselves.
Mike,
I think it’s more likely that no major trades or signings happen during the actual meetings, than that two unbelievably big things not related to player management are announced. Maybe they’ll announce the sale of the Texas Rangers. I don’t think they can announce anything that has been collectively bargained, because there have been no sessions. I don’t think they will announce anything that would creat contreversy.
No, Hal went to Williams.
thx phil
Williams is a nice little school
dt id say swapping sterling-waldman for wang-matsui in the booth would be an equal swap. you would still have no idea what happend to the trail runner…
He graduated in 1991 I believe
Booby prize to the first person who predicts that Melancon will be the EIG.
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How about to the person suggesting Brett Gardner be the regular center fielder?
Melancon could very well be EIG by August, but with his ability to pitch multiple innings, they may choose not to go that way.
Brad,
It’s the best little school.
Mark in Tampa
December 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The Yankees will surely try to cut payroll, but I don’t think it will be the overriding concern when making personnel decisions. Attendance was way down this year, however, that has to be a cooncern, although most of their money comes from other sources.
2006- 4.243 million pct of capacity- 91.2
2007- 4.271 ” ” ” ” 91.9
2008- 4.298 ” ” ” ” 92.3
2009- 3.719 ” ” ” ” 87.8
That is very significant, especially since the ‘08 team was the worst team since ‘93, and this year was the best team since ‘98 with a brand new park
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very nice
i thought it was 3.7 million
i was right
One word: backloading
I’m a big school fan myself…but small schools are nice too
There is no budget.
Payroll will be $207 mm again.
Rich–You’re stealing my thunder…Do I have to copyright these ideas?
Cheetah Woods
Go cheer for the Mets. I can’t stand spoiled bandwagon yankee fans. You think that every single great player on the market should be a yankee. It doesn’t work that way and when is it enough ?
$185 million is a negotiating ploy. It lets, Damon, Pettite and Matsui know that the Yankees are not going to be wild spenders. The Yankees have to spend more by definition. Look at the money they have tied up on Jeter, Posada and Mo. If we were talking strictly dollars then Jeter would be looking at a one year contract in 2011. Who else is really going to pay him in excess of 21 million? Who would want Mo at 15 million per and two or more probably three years. Who else would have paid Arod the money the Yankees did and given him the number of years we did? If all of this means we now skimp and scrap and return to days that have three unproven starters in the rotation and no bench then that money was not wisely spent. Why pay for Tex and CC and then surround them with scrap? Only a fool would do that!
I guess big schools are okay, if you like being taught by grad students and where admissions aren’t so selective.
Comet, the 185M number didn’t come from the Yanks.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
December 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Right now the Yanks have $170 million already on the books for 2010. If we are to believe this goofy story that the Yanks plan on cutting back to 185 million, that means they have 15 million to spend.
So basically Olney is telling us that the Yanks will spend 15 million on a LF, DH, Starting Pitcher, 2 spots in the bullpen, and 3 bench players.
We can safely assume that Pena, Russo and Cervelli will take up 2 of those 3 bench spots.
There are reports that the Yankees are making signing Pettitte a priority and he will take at least $10 million.
That leaves $5 million for a LF, DH, 1 bench player and 2 relievers. The relievers can be found in our minor league system so lets forget those for now.
So now we have $5 mill for an LF, DH, 1 bench player and money for arb eligible players. Unless the Yanks plan on giving starting jobs to Miranda and Jackson, the numbers simply don’t add up. Considering the Yanks just won the world series and want to repeat, I highly highly doubt that will happen.
Olney really is a hack, anyone with 1st grade math skills and a basic knowledge of the Yankees needs can see how fake his story is.
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you lose the difference between damons
& matsui’s production from maybe miranda & ajax/gardner
if ajax can give us 50 rbi & miranda 80 we lose 45 rbi wich is not a lot considering arod should give us more
i think if we strengthen the pitching by trading for a starter we are fine in addition to bringing pettitte back
# Phil December 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I guess big schools are okay, if you like being taught by grad students and where admissions aren’t so selective.
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Oh, I don’t know…some are pretty selective. Harvard for example.
Phil
“Carroll blocked me on Twitter for saying Omar Minaya was a dumb GM.”
I posted on Ken Davidoff’s blog a few days ago that: Minaya is to smart general managing as Madoff is to honest investing.
He gave the post a silver medal.
Phil
“I guess big schools are okay, if you like being taught by grad students and where admissions aren’t so selective.”
OTOH, NYU has nationally renowned professors who teach their own courses but let their TAs run the recitation sessions.
Rich in NJ
December 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
One word: backloading
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2 words
vernon wells
We can get to the $185M, but there will probably be some trades. Swisher at $&M and Marte at $4M might be swapped to give us $11M more in flexibility. Also, if you trade Swisher to get a young pitcher, and can backload Andy’s contract, you gain more flexibility. It can be done.
You know, I would love to see the Yankees go through the exercise of reducing payroll by 10%. It shouldn’t at all mean that we can’t beat the competition.
A lineup that includes Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Posada and Cano should be able to compete against any other.
A rotation that starts with CC and AJ, should be able to be competitive with most others.
A bullpen that closes with Rivera, and has experienced arms such as Marte and Bruney should be better than most others.
Add to the above some young, hungry kids who want to become the next ‘Core 4′, and you should have a winning combination.
bru
2 words
vernon wells
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You’re not implying that the Yankees will take on his contract, right?
Brad,
Is that a four year school?
bru December 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Rich in NJ
December 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
One word: backloading
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2 words
vernon wells
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Arod and Sabathia and Tex are going to be here a while. If they would restructure their contracts, it gives the team more time to transitino to a farm system-based team. Their overall cost structure will be coming down, so they can absord extra costs later. (That is if you believe they will have a good farm system.)
Watch Beltre put a fork in the Mariners plans by accepting arbitration!
i’d really like to see the yankees put some emphasis on making some games more family affordable. there are alot of people who are shut out at these prices and yet there are empty seats which could be filled by parents and kids who otherwise wouldnt be able to go. they could set aside some seats to be sold at the gate to people who have children with them or something to make sure people are not scalping or using children to straw purchase ticket they then scalp.
there are alot of nyc kids who are just not going to get to go see the yankees and fall in love like we all did at some point in time because thier working-stiff parents just cant justify spending $200 or more to see the yankees play the royals on a tuesday night.
when i was in H.S. we would hop the subway and sit in the bleachers and see a game for less than $10 bucks. and i went to a ton of games that way. i realize the days when you could just head on over on opening day and buy tickets at the gate are long gome, but we’ve gone way too far the other way now.
seats sitting empty while alot of people, especially kids cant afford to go is just bad policy imo…
# Phil December 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Brad,
Is that a four year school?
===I think it is a community college, but a good one.
Rich in NJ
December 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
bru
2 words
vernon wells
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You’re not implying that the Yankees will take on his contract, right?
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no way
There are ways to lower payroll without hurting the product, and that’s basically by letting the best prospects develop and using them to replace the big contracts as they expire. Nobody’t really ready to do that yet. So it doesn’t make sense to impose a percentage cut right now.
“you lose the difference between damons
& matsui’s production from maybe miranda & ajax/gardner
if ajax can give us 50 rbi & miranda 80 we lose 45 rbi wich is not a lot considering arod should give us more
i think if we strengthen the pitching by trading for a starter we are fine in addition to bringing pettitte back ”
I like your optimism but measuring a hitter’s production / value by RBI is a very bad idea.
Entering the season with Jackson at LF and Miranda at DH would be nothing short of a disaster.
Brad,
I understand they have a pretty good library. So, if a kid really applied himself, he could probably learn stuff there.
i think we should just sign pettitte & trade for a pitcher
we will be sitting at 180-185 million with a better rotation
it is one thing to lower payroll smartly
another thing to start trading off important pieces like swish & marte unless it makes sense
Mariners and Figgins looks to be closer to happening, but the M’s have to wait to see if Beltre will accept arbitration.
The Mariners are making moves. I think the Angels may have some fiscal restraints on them. Let K-Rod and Teixeira go, let Figgins go (even though they were pushing hard to keep him), who next? Lackey? Vlad?
The Mariners are setting themselves up to be the West champs while the Angels watch.
The only thing that could derail their plans is if Beltre accepts arbitration. I doubt he will, but you never know.
Phil,
I agree.
Maybe in 2011 when Jackson and Montero are ready to step in to major league roles but I don’t think either are ready in 2010.
I think they’d trade Swisher in the right deal, but I would rather keep Swisher than re-sign Damon.
“and can backload Andy’s contract…”
You mean backload it to September?
I think this is actually a pretty gutsy move by Hal.
A few years ago, Cashman basically said-”give me control and I will build a strong farm system that will restock our team so we stop ending up buying over-the-hill players.”
Then, last year, Cashman basically said “I want to bring in some top of the rotation pitchers to give my up and coming talent some cover to allow them to develop.” Hal gave him the money because he realized he couldn’t switch to the kids in one quick year.
You can’t make the shift to a new paradigm of player development if you continue the same old actions of buying players and don’t allow the young players to win spots on the parent club. Cashman has talked about how the shift takes time, but you have to eventually start.
If I am Hal, I now start challenging him to produce on his promise, so I start tightening the budget and observe.
They supposedly brought in Mark Newman for an hour to discuss the prospects who could fill major league roiles, and then Hal decided to set a management direction to trust the farm system.
Gutsy move.
If they truly believe in their farm system, now is when you find out how good they are.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
December 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
“you lose the difference between damons
& matsui’s production from maybe miranda & ajax/gardner
if ajax can give us 50 rbi & miranda 80 we lose 45 rbi wich is not a lot considering arod should give us more
i think if we strengthen the pitching by trading for a starter we are fine in addition to bringing pettitte back ”
I like your optimism but measuring a hitter’s production / value by RBI is a very bad idea.
Entering the season with Jackson at LF and Miranda at DH would be nothing short of a disaster.
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i agree that rbi alone are not the only factor but the 90′s teams got it done with a few stars & the rest
the key was pitching
what i am saying is that we have more stars & raw production then back then
with cc,burnett it is a great start
if we sign pettitte & maybe trade some prospects for a good young pitcher we should be fine
170 million plus 9 for pettitte plus the pitcher we trade for salary
i dont think the yankees should be counint on ajax next year, but it definitly wouldnt suprise me if he pushes his way into thier OF in 2010. although he was one of the younger guys is the EL in 2008 and the IL in 2009, he stepped up big time both seasons and showed his talent. with 2 excellent seasons of upper minors under his belt, its certainly not inconceivable that he could open some eyes and ST, get a spot on the roster and push his way into the lineup.
im not saying they should plan on that, but they also shouldn’t block him either. he plays a good CF and its not out of the realm of the possible that he could give melky and/or gardner a run for the money next season.
Nick in SF December 4th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
“and can backload Andy’s contract…”
You mean backload it to September?
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Option for second year with a buy-out….or structure payments past the playing period.
# Phil December 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I guess big schools are okay, if you like being taught by grad students and where admissions aren’t so selective.
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So Williams isn’t selective, does that mean they let anyone in (anyone who can pay the $40K annual tuition)?
You guys sound INSANE. Do you realize this? We can’t win with 185 million?
How overprivileged are we!!!
Our owner spends by far the most for years and years and we win the world series. We’re clearly the best time, far and away better than any other.
Now, they claim theyre gonna drop a few million from the payroll – leaving us STILL as the highest payroll, and somehow we “can’t contend”?!??!?!
Are you SERIOUS! Do you hear yourselves?
We will always contend with that kind of payroll. We have a GREAT team even without Matsui or Damon and a lesser replacement for each. We would STILL be favored to win the World Series.
God, you guys are unbelievable!!
“there are alot of nyc kids who are just not going to get to go see the yankees and fall in love like we all did at some point in time because thier working-stiff parents just cant justify spending $200 or more to see the yankees play the royals on a tuesday night.”
There are bleacher seats ($5 and $12) and $5 ticket nights for mid-week non-premium games scattered throughout the summer.
If someone is motivated to take their kids to a game, it can be done.
bru,
Actually the teams of the 90′s were among the best hitting teams in the league, at the time.
Which pitcher do you propose we trade for and who are we trading for him?
Don’t forget, another key way of reducing payroll is giving spots in the rotation to the young guys like Hughes/Joba. I think that’s the most likely course of action. Put Hughes and Chamberlain in the rotation, spend some money on a LF, DH, Pettitte and a veteran bench player and end up around $200 million again.
I think you can fall in love with a team by watching them play on TV. Otherwise teams wouldn’t have so many out of town fans.
Here is an unconventional move…Instead of promoting Jesus Montero to AAA, what about graduating him right to the majors. Scouts have said his bat is major-league ready, but his defense is not there yet. What about letting him DH but catch on certain days while being tutored by Pena and Posada. On the job training.
Olney is the perfect stooge. The definition of tool.
As Bobcat (late of NYYFans) says: “you only hear what they want you to hear.”
Sure, payroll will be $185 million or so—if they are not blwon away by a Halliday deal.
The $185 million is for the ML roster 40 man, so if Wang can be signed for less off of the 40 man, he doesn’t count.
Right now minus Wang and the arb guys they are at $166 million per Cots. Pettitte at $8-10 plus incentives, Matsui at $6-8 plus incentives, Damon at $6-8 plus incentives brings them to about $185-190 million.
Those are the offers that the Yankees will do, then end their postseason unless the Jays blow them away with an offer for Roy. No Holliday, no Sheets, no Dunn. No. No. No.
Sox would get Halliday for one year max. No way he signs an extension based on the uncertainty of that club after 2010, plus the Sox just don’t do those kind of deals with aging pitchers. Same thing with Angels.
So in 2011, it gets interesting with Jeter’s $20 million, Mo’s $15 million coming up for renewal, and Halliday on the market. By then all of the young guys (plus the Wang experiment) will be more understood in terms of potential.
A rotation of CC, AJ, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba is nothing to sneeze at.
Sure, CC, Halliday, AJ, Pettitte, and Hughes would be mindblowingly dominant for the next 3-4 years, but you can’t have it all.
There was a lot less parity in the ’90s. So it was easier for a very good team to win.
Kim Kardashian just called, she says she’s backloaded
MikeinBH
No, they have to give him every chance to learn to catch, and if that doesn’t work out, to play the OF.
Remember also that this budget gives them room to acquire a Halladay in July trade and absorb $6M of his remaining contract–thus giving them a strong rotation for the second season (play-offs). This budget can make a lot of sense with a smart management team.
CD, that’s pretty funny and so true
By having it said that their payroll will be $185m, it gives them leverage when trying to re-sign or sign players. if they ultimately go above that mark, bfd.
pat, there are very few of those seats available and the demand for them is way bigger than the # available. you try taking your kids to the stadium and waiting in line for hours only to find out that you cant get in. if there were some set aside just for parents with thier kids, this would be much less of a problem.
Who can the Yankees trade to reduce payroll:
Marte – $4 million.
Swisher – $6.75 million. Affordable, but just barely to most teams. Could be traded, but I’d be surprised if he were traded.
Gaudin – due $2+ million. Proven starter. Affordable.
Melky – due $1.6+ million. Can play all OF positions.
Total: maybe $14-$15 million
Now is any of this possible?
Marte, no. Too expensive to move.
Swisher, mabye. If you acquire a LF and Melky plays RF.
Gaudin, yes. Minor league depth exists.
Melky, yes. Garner and Jackson in CF. Still need a LF.
So maybe an additional $10 million may be shaved from the payroll, but if you trade, you normally add payroll too, so we’ll see how this plays out.
rich i have almost no memory of particular games i saw the yankees play on tv before i went to the stadium….. but the first time i went to the ballpark……WOW!!!!!! a night of sigts and smells i will take with me to my grave…. seeing it from the outside, walking up the ramps, that huge roof with the frieze, the unbelievable greenness of that grasss, a god wearing #7 in CF…..
watching on tv is no substitute for a kid’s first trip to the park…
Not for anything but Olney is only speculating what the budget will be. He hears they are reducing the budget, he puts the figure in and everyone thinks that gospel.
They could reduce the budget by 1 or 2 million and it still accomplishes a reduced budget. They could reduce it by 20 million. The only ones who know what they are really targeting with their budget and what moves they want to make are those who were in the meetings.
They aren’t going to listen to the proposals on this board.
The Yankees probably leaked this to give something to chatter on about while they set up to make their moves.
I’m not drinking the Kool aid this year. I had enough last year when they said they were lowering the payroll.
I want the Yankees to continue to develop talent and buy players. The Yankees need a new core down the line, and some of the fans need to stop acting like spoiled brats and that every free agent or talent out there should be a yankee in order to win a world series.
This organization can develop talent.
“Abdababdaserser
December 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Not for anything but Olney is only speculating what the budget will be.”
actually its even less than that, its what olney thinks the yankees would like it to be if everything goes perfectly in the offseason.
we have meetings at work where we work out a hoped-for result based on everything falling right into place, but we know that all of those things happening is not a very likely outcome. still it helps to set a goal and work towards it, and thats what the yankees are probably doing. you can be sure that they know the outcome is likely to be different than the best-case scenario goal they set going in.
This 185 number isn’t real.
Brad, where did you hear that they brought Mark Newman in for an hour.
Cheetah, I meant just the opposite. Williams is plenty selective, and as far as I know they are still aid blind, meaning they will take any kid who qualifies and figure out how to get it paid for later.
And why are people still talking about Halladay ?
He is a free agent next year so why destroy the farm for a 33 year old pitcher. Thank god Cashman is the GM !
I am not a happy camper tonight, suffice to say
Ham Fighters, I still recall the first Yankee I saw. It was on a B&W TV and Mantle belted one out of the yard. From that point on I was a fan of the Yankees and Mantle.
I’ve been to the stadium many times, including the pre-modernized version of the old stadium, the revamped stadium and the new stadium. I really don’t remember my first game at the stadium, but I can still see that ball traveling in majestic black and white arching high into the stands.
Being a fan of the team isn’t dependent on going to the stadium. Many fans can’t go due to distance and other circumstances, or only make the trip years after becoming a fan. Does that make them lesser fans?
Yes, going to the stadium is great, but watching them on TV can give you as good a feeling about the team you root for. You miss out on some things when you go to the game, you miss out on some things when you watch it on TV.
“where did you hear that they brought Mark Newman in for an hour.”
Yankees.com
“The AP reported that senior vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman, who oversees player development, spent an hour on Friday with Cashman and other high-level team officials at the Yankees’ Spring Training complex.”
wow, u can remember games on tv but not your first trip to the stadium? that definitly puts you in the minority.
go to busch stadium sometime and ask people there who drove from shreveport or lincoln, nebraska or oklahoma city if they think its just as good to see a game on tv…
and my point was specific to nyc area families anyway
Betsy,
I think you enjoy not being a happy camper. We are the champions, my friend, and we will defend.
The story on Yankees.com also mentions a $15 million dollar payroll deduction is the “aim”.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Gaudin is going to be on this team……..
Phil, I don’t like the cutting of the payroll. The team just made tons of $$; do Cash and Hal feel badly about winning while spending a lot of $$ ? That’s what it seems like. I’m also having a hard time buying Heyman’s twitter if the Yankees intend to cut payroll….
Phil December 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
This 185 number isn’t real.
Brad, where did you hear that they brought Mark Newman in for an hour.
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Saw it about an hour ago while checking a few sites. I’ll see if I can re-find the link.
And btw–HERE IS SOME OF THE YOUNG TALENTED HIGH SCHOOL BALLPLAYERS THE yANKS ARE FOLLOWING IN aSIA—WORTH WATCHING+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
Betsy
They are worried about the next CBA.
Yes, mlb.com guy says that in the story. But he doesn’t quote Cashman saying that. Which means mlb.com guy could just be parroting Olney.
Phil
This 185 number isn’t real.
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Who knows>? But it serves their interests.
If the $185M is a real number, the net effect, when considering the returning players with raises and contract increases of well over $15M, means there is over $35M less to replace the roster spots of players not returning. That doesn’t sound promising.
Betsy
I agree. I don’t see the Yankees getting Halladay and I don’t see the Red Sox going after him.
But I don’t care about the payroll going down because it should go down over time. I don’t know why some Yankee fans are crying about this if it’s true. The Yankees will always contend, and we still have the highest payroll of any team.
Rich,
I know, but it didn’t even come from the Yanks.
They’re interested in a bunch of Asian teenagers, a few who won’t be available till 7/2/10.
This reminds me of a Smiths song… Panic on the streets of LoHud!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4714489
“Senior vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman, who oversees player development, spent an hour during the final day of meetings Friday with Cashman and other high-level team officials at the Yankees spring training complex.”
“There are bleacher seats ($5 and $12) and $5 ticket nights for mid-week non-premium games scattered throughout the summer.”
You’re forgetting that you can’t buy these seats from the Yankees. You’ll be buying them from Stubhub, where they’ll assuredly be much more expensive.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
December 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
bru,
Actually the teams of the 90’s were among the best hitting teams in the league, at the time.
Which pitcher do you propose we trade for and who are we trading for him?
Don’t forget, another key way of reducing payroll is giving spots in the rotation to the young guys like Hughes/Joba. I think that’s the most likely course of action. Put Hughes and Chamberlain in the rotation, spend some money on a LF, DH, Pettitte and a veteran bench player and end up around $200 million again.
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i did not list names for a pitcher on purpose because a million experts would say it can’t be done
i just think that we should upgrade the rotation at every oportunity
you do not need to score many runs if our pitching is not giving up many
i would be ok letting melky,gardner,ajax,swisher,miranda have the o.f. & dh spots,sign pettitte & trade for a pitcher
payroll is at 180-185 million
if it does not work we can make a change
maybe joba,romine & kennedy for matt cain???