Cashman acknowledges Pettitte talks, adds Marquis to the list
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2009 
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Brian Cashman said he has not spoken directly to Andy Pettitte, but it’s his understanding that Pettitte wants to pitch next year under “the right circumstances.” Those right circumstances mean, the right contract.
But Pettitte is not the only starting pitcher the Yankees are discussing. Cashman flew to the winter meetings with agents Seth and Sam Levinson and discussed free agent pitcher Jason Marquis.
Cashman would not say whether the Yankees have made any contract offers, but he did say that “starting pitching is the first priority.” He also said last year’s incentive based Pettitte contract had more to do with timing than health concerns. The Yankees were at their budget limit, and convincing ownership to spend more meant an incentive contract. Worries about Pettitte’s health were not an issue then and surely won’t be now.
• Cashman’s list of priorities: “Pitching, pitching, pitching. And then obviously left field.” Finding a DH, he said, is a secondary concern with multiple options — including in-house options — as candidates.
• Making a bullpen move isn’t off the table, but Cashman acknowledged that relievers are “volatile” and it might be better to stay in-house with ”people you believe in, who can do the job.”
• On needing a backup catcher: “Cervelli can do that job. Right now, I’m not focused on backup catcher. We have Posada. We have Cervelli. That doesn’t mean I won’t look at it.”
• The entire major league coaching staff either has been or will be offered a job for next year.
• A decision on what to do with Chien-Ming Wang hasn’t been made and Cashman said he will get the latest medical information before setting anything in stone. That said, it seems difficult at best, impossible at worst, to predict how effective Wang will be next season. ”I can’t predict because he’s not pitching right now,” Cashman said.
• Not sure I ever saw or read this officially: “It was going to cost us Austin Jackson to get Washburn (last year) so we didn’t do it.”
Just say no to Marquis, train wreck written all over him
I don’t think Marquis could survive in the AL East.
Never thought about Jason Marquis but it’s always good for Cashman to let teams know he considers other options.
Jason ‘SI’ Marquis? Better suited to the Metsies.
I take pitching, pitching, pitching to mean:
Starter
Rehabbing Starter
Reliever
Marquis won’t be a Yank, but that was the price of Cash’s ride to Indy.
Although it could also mean starter, starter, reliever.
Marquis? Who was doing most of the talking? Cashman or the Levinsons?
Now the Rays are jumping in the Halladay sweepstakes? Well, I never thought about that……that’s annoying.
Well, forget Curtis Granderson…Even if that report is incorrect, the Tigers would need Jackson back for Granderson. I don’t see how the Yankees do a Doc trade without Jackson…..
Marquis? NO thank you – please, Cash, what are you doing?
Backtracking to Tito’s comments. So ingenuous. Odds are that the Sox spend more than we do this winter. They’ve got lots of holes and money to burn.
Poor Bruney.
I’m still laughing. From The Penthouse To The Outhouse.
Let the Mets or the Rockies have Marquis. The Yankees need someone better then that.
Jason Marquis was under Dave Duncan’s coaching with the Cardinals.He and La Russa didn’t get along.
Kepner says Yankees get 1st overall pick from Nats for Bruney
Which Marquis? The Mercury Marquis (remember the commercials)?
I’d rather go with Aceves than a rehab project or a wait and see how they do in the AL East type of pitcher.
Jason Marquis is not terrible.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Cashman talking to agents and other teams about different players. It may be a ploy to let these other agents and teams that the NYYs have a multitude of options and won’t get knifed for their players.
I actually like Marquis for this team as a number 5. Give me Pettitte and either Halladay and Lackey first, and I’d be hapy to bring in a New York original to the fold.
TylerKepner Player to be named later for Bruney will be 1st overall pick in Rule V draft. (Nats will take a player Yanks select, then give to Yanks.)
Not terrible, just good enough to get you beat
previous post
Can we trade Igawa and Eric Duncan for Ichiro.
To think Eric Duncan was our #1 prospect at one time.
How good does it feel 7/8 years later to know we can actually pull a trigger on a trade if we wanted to. I couldnt stand listening to trade rumors years ago and having to listen to all experts say “the yankees dont have much to give”. Therefore all we had is money for free agents. Good times fellas. No matter who we get.
If you really want to know a scary thought,Compare Andy’s stats this year with…Pavano,they were oh so close in many areas.
Pavano wants a multi-year deal,but Twins are gun shy.I wonder what they know? bwahahah
Cashman keeps hyping on pitching and I can’t say he’s lying based on their three man rotation strategy during the playoffs. They don’t want to go through that again.
Pat-
number one overall pick in the rule V = diamond in the rough.
Marquis is just another name to throw out there for consideration, but I suspect that Cashman’s true target outside of Pettitte is somebody with a litte better stuff.
Cash would never say who his real outside targets are or even if he was close on anything. He won’t say anything is “hot” until it is done.
It’s the Nationals pick, which will be quite high, correct?
PS–the Rays are just boosting the price of Halliday for the Yankees, realizing that the Division is toast for them is ROy comes to NY, like I think he wants.
I think the Bruney for the draft pick is an interesting trade.
Is it possible the trade was made because there is someone the Yankees have targeted? I wonder who that might be. An outfielder, perhaps? The Nat’s don’t need another OF.
Phil, do you think the Rays are serious players for Doc?
He could live near his home all year round and the team would be very competitive (though would they give him his best shot at multiple WS?)…….The Yankees can’t compete with the Rays in terms of talent to give up unless Cash parted with Joba or Hughes….
I say sign Sheets and Harden for one spot. They both cant last an entire year. So you have one pitch the first have of the year and the other the second have. Once we make the playoffs its 3 innings each.
I want Andy back and I want him to get paid fairly, but how can you not have concerns about this health?
Pop Quiz Hot Shots
who is the rule V player the Yanks will get?
(I have no idea)
Betsy,
I don’t think they want to add that payroll.
I didn’t want Washburn for free.
Do the Nats have first pick?
I think the player they gat may not be chopped liver.
Were the Rays on Roy’s list? Or is this a situation where Roy would have to be approached?
Just took out my Stealth secret code book. National Treasured it and it came up with.
Marquise means he’s close to signing Lackey.
Edwin Jackson trade means Halliday is on his way.
some of you guys are comical…how could you like Marquis for the 5 spot for this team but don’t want Joba and Hughes at the back end of the rotation…..if left alone for 30-34 starts each would outpitch Marquis twice.
Let’s get Andy signed and get everybody together early in Jan to get the workouts going and have Andy and CC mentor Joba and young master Phil…
I’d trade for Halladay only if I’m not moving Joba,Phil,Montero and AJax….
Romine and anybody else i have in my organization I’d move for Halladay and my rotation would be CC,Roy,AJ,Pett and Joba with Hughes taking the spot starter long relief role that Aceves had last year to keep his innings up and use his secondary pitches more in games so as not to stunt his development another year. He would take Pett’s spot in the rotation the following year in this scenario. He could be very useful in this role as Girardi would be able to limit CC and AJ and Andy’s innings early in the season to guard against them brreaking down after the heavy postseason workload. i.e pulling CC after 5 innings in early games and letting Hughes go 4 innings to close the game…
So then the Bruney trade does not clear up a roster spot, as the Rule 5 player selected must remain on the 40 man roster, or be returned to the original team he’s drafted from.
Cash is clearing a little salary and making some room in the bullpen for younger arms.
pat, Kepner must not have checked Washington’s roster, but, right now, they have 40 men on their roster. They’d need to drop players or make 2-1 trades if they want to draft. There’s possibly 4 players they could drop, but they owe money to in 2010 to two of those.
U.E.,
What i gather from previous threads is that the Nats have to make room on their roster to have a rule v pick. Not sure if anyone on the roster is worth keeping accept for maybe a couple players.
S.o.S.,
I’m with you on getting rid of Igawa. Don’t know how Cashman can do it but he needs to get it done.
When the Cardinals won the WS in 2006,Marquis was like Bruney
left off the roster
if the Rays land Halladay, i would have to give them props. Well, that is if they sign him to an extension. Upton/Davis for a rental is too much.
the Tigers want Hughes and Austin Jackson for Granderson? Well, at least Detroit has good taste. I would not give up Hughes.
Bruney is actually in a decent situation. He will probably get a shot to be the closer. If he does a nice job he could probably get a nice contract from a team. He would just be a middle reliever with the yanks.
If the yanks dont get Halladay or Lackey. They are better off using Chamberlain and Hughes as the 4th and 5th starters. Guys like Wolf, Pinero, Marquis will be horrible in the al east.
Hey ray,
Is Igawa on the 40 man roster? Maybe he can go back to the Padres(the only team i know that had interest)and ask for free tickets to Sea World(not season just one day pass)even trade. I think thats fair enough.
S.o.S.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
U.E.,
What i gather from previous threads is that the Nats have to make room on their roster to have a rule v pick. Not sure if anyone on the roster is worth keeping accept for maybe a couple players.”
I think the deal is, Nat must make room, must pick from a list the yanks gave them, then turn over the player.
I don’t see dropping one player is a problem for the Nats.
Yanks Have one or 2 guys in mind.
is there a list of eligible players?
Betsy
we could compete with anyone in terms of giving up talent and if the Rays got Halladay it would just be for the 1yr rental and they would take the draft pick compensation we he leaves as a FA…
It’s actually brilliant from the Rays standpoint….Upton is a malcontent and a headache for Maddon,Wade Davis is a stud but they have Hellickson ready for the 5spot in their ro…so they exchange their current 5 in Wade for a #1 in Roy to mentor Shields,Garza,Price,Niemann w/Hellboy brewing in AAA and they could replace Upton with Desmond Jennings in CF…that would be a SICK SICK starting 5 of Halladay,Shields,Garza,Niemann and Price! wow
What were they smoking in Seattle? Jackson for Washburn?
But that’s indicative of how teams deal with the Yankees. When it comes to trading their mid-level talent, they want Yankee top talent. Then when they don’t get it, they trade for mid-level talent, or lower. Comes with the territory. That’s probably why Boston overvalues people like what’s his name, Casey Kelly, so that they believe the hype, when in fact he’s just a low-end prospect at this point anyway.
Cashman rarely publicizes who he’s interested in until the last moment, so I don’t believe the Marquis interest is genuine.
Assuming the Yanks dont land another pitcher acccept for Pettitte. Hughes and Joba are 4 and 5. Who do we have pitch the 8th?
Cash knows that pitching is key – he wants to go to camp with 4 reliable starters, not 2 kids in the rotation.
Finding a DH, he said, is a secondary concern with multiple options — including in-house options — as candidates.
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Matsui, Matsui, Matsui, Matsui.
Sorry, I just really want Matsui to come back.
I doubt Cashman is going to camp with Hughes and Joba in the rotation. His emphasis on pitching in every interview he gives just furthers that.
I guess Cash answered the backup catcher question
igawa is not on the 40
“Finding a DH, he said, is a secondary concern with multiple options — including in-house options — as candidates.”
Miranda
Rotate the DH!!
U.E.,
I thought it was for a next years rule 5 pick. If thats the case then are you referring to a list of players they might want them to pick up?
Mike
Joba’s not a kid any more…he’s got over 220 ip as a starter and he’s ready to be cut loose
S.o.S.
the eigth would be depending on matchups some combo of Marte/DRob and i think later on Melancon will be next years Phil Hughes where he’s just settled in and dominating guys as a late inning reliever
From Peter Gammons: The Rays have flatly denied their interest in discussing Wade Davis and B.J. Upton for Roy Halladay.
These rumors are ridiculous. Giving up a pretty good major league CF and a promising major league starter is a steep price for 1 season, because you know they can’t pay him his extension.
The Nats released a player on his birfday to make room for Bruney. So looks like a snag there.
Whomever the Yankees take via the Rule V has to be kept on the 25 right? What guys around the league look like they could play in the majors right now and stick? Could we be looking at a reliever? A LF?
I doubt they will put both kids in the rotation next year— if they do, it must mean they struck out in their other options (Doc, Lackey) plus guys like Sheets, Harden etc. went elsewhere.
“These rumors are ridiculous. ”
Everyone is spinning everyone.
In actuality, the people that know don’t talk, and the people that talk don’t know.
The RAB guys think it will be Kolby Clemens with the first pick of the Rule V.
MLB Hot Stove show (2 hour special) on now…….right now, a feature on Doc.
Gammons has burst Ken Rosenthal’s whiskey induced bubble by stating that Tampa has flatly denied any interest in trading Upton and Davis for Halladay.
Someone in the last week or so had an article about a Rule 5 steal, but I can’t find it.
This looks like the segment I posted yesterday, from July.
Well, I’d say Cash is interested in pitching…..I really want Doc and I didn’t realize how much until the last couple of weeks.
Phil, do you think the Rays are just trying get the Yanks/Sox to pay through the nose?
So if the Nats pick, say, Clemens and give him to Yanks to complete the trade do the same “got to keep him on the roster” rules apply?
I wish bobcat was here to give his “dont believe what you here and they only say what they want you to here” bit. This run a round talk gets awefully confusing if you ask me.
I think they should do like any other type of auction and get each player up on stage and have a bidding war. No rumors no balogna(ba-lone-e).
Betsy,
Neither Cash nor Theo can be tricked into overpaying. The Sox are probably only in it to get the Yanks to overpay, but it won’t work.
Peter Gammons says,Tigers want Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson for Granderson.
~Have they lost their everlasting mind?
AJax for Washburn is just the Mariners way of saying to the Yanks: “I hate you,please go away!”
“Peter Gammons says,Tigers want Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson for Granderson.”
Even if that report is true, which I doubt, all it’s meant to do is to inform teams that they won’t price Granderson as a salary dump.
Neither Cash nor Theo can be tricked into overpaying.
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Phil,
DL in right and Gyro BB disagree.
That rumor regarding the Rays and Halladay is baloney.
They obviously can’t sign him long term and they certainly aren’t going to give up that kind of talent for one year of service from him.
They had to trade Kazmir just so they could free up cash to try to sign Crawford long term.
I don’t believe that rumor for a minute. It doesn’t make any sense for either side.
Well, I see now that I responded to a false rumor………man, this is fun and annoying at the same time
The Yankees will never win with A-Rod.
S.o.S.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I wish bobcat was here to give his “dont believe what you here and they only say what they want you to here” bit. This run a round talk gets awefully confusing if you ask me.
I think they should do like any other type of auction and get each player up on stage and have a bidding war. No rumors no balogna(ba-lone-e).
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You can do it. Change your name to S.o.S. Bobcat and pretend that you have all of the answers. There’s at least one guy that will be happy to tell you what you need to say. To sound really smart, throw in a casual UZR remark.
Phil, I agree – they are too smart for that.
I knew last year that Seattle was demanding Jackson for Washburn. They didn’t want anything to do with the Yankees because Cash asked them to give the Yanks a courtesy call before making any deal and Seattle didn’t do that…..Cash was never going to make that deal, but I thought I read that he had submitted a list of prospects from which the Ms could choose…….Some teams (most?) just don’t want to help the Yanks in any way even if it means helping themselves.
Jason Marquis would be nothing more than the 2010 version of Jaret Wright at best, or Sidney Ponson at worst.
Figures. The filters ate it.
There is a movie coming out jan 8th called Bit**(fill in the asteisks)Slap. How can they get away with calling a movie that? Do they write it in cursive so little kids cant read it?
Why is anyone responding to this Marquis BS?
GB7,
LMAO. I wouldnt be as respected. I would more than likely missspell a word or few. Hell i would probably screw up the spelling of URZ.
I think Jason Marquis is reliable for 200 innings. But definitely not for the Yanks. He’d probably be pretty good for the Mets. But the Mets are probably looking to actually sign Jaret Wright and Sidney Ponson.
SoS,
This filter is weird. They need to fix it. I don’t know how words like *ss and r@pe can get through, but words like p**p (like the stuff dog owners have to pick up) and pi**ed (synonym for really mad) can’t get through.
Yeah mel.
How does Byaatch get through but the un cool way to say it doesnt?
Ken Davidoff gets it:
I don’t believe Marquis will be a serious #Yankees consideration. Just thinking Cashman was helping out his pals, the Levinsons.
Pittsburgh Pirates Blog…..their read on Rule V Outfielders:
http://www.buccofans.com/2009/.....lders.html
Rishi,
If you have access to Insider’s Rumor Central, looks like they have some interesting stuff. Could you give us anything that’s real news?
Apparently, Dombrowski is saying he doesn’t know if he’s close to a trade or not.
Watching MLB Network and Terry Francona has a very shiny head.
Looks like posts are getting pulled into never-never land or I’ve been banned again.
GreenBeret7
December 7th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Looks like posts are getting pulled into never-never land or I’ve been banned again.
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Maybe someone e-mailed Chad and told him you need a time out.
It appears that Jose Molina’s days as a Yankee have come to an end.
He leaves with a full World Series share, a ring, and the distinction of being the last Yankee to hit a home run at the old Stadium. Nice memories.
Eight is Enough
Tiger’s wife moves out!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n.....OqkrMypLeP
I guess after the NINTH former mistress surfaced she had enough. And you know the number of former mistress has to be alot higher than nine – hell, it may be triple digits.
MaineYankee
December 7th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
GreenBeret7
December 7th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Looks like posts are getting pulled into never-never land or I’ve been banned again.
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Maybe someone e-mailed Chad and told him you need a time out.
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I don’t know why I’m so misunderstood. I’m kind, thoughtful, helpful…never a cruel word flies from my fingertips. I’m completely holy.
GB
They are going to have to take someone off the 40 man anyway to get Bruney on.
Can’t they drop someone, draft Rule 5, move him to Yanks and add Bruney after the Rule 5.
Cheetah Woods
December 7th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Eight is Enough
Tiger’s wife moves out!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n…..OqkrMypLeP
I guess after the NINTH former mistress surfaced she had enough. And you know the number of former mistress has to be alot higher than nine – hell, it may be triple digits.
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I’m beginning to think that you’re more jealous of the women than you are of T. Woods.
Jesus…just give this crap a rest.
Heyman says the Angels are very interested in Doc, but only if they can sign an extension.
pat
December 7th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
GB
They are going to have to take someone off the 40 man anyway to get Bruney on.
Can’t they drop someone, draft Rule 5, move him to Yanks and add Bruney after the Rule 5.
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Yeah, they’ve already dropped a pitcher and added Bruney. It’s showing on the MLB 40 man roster, now.
Tim Williams from the Pirate Blog has put together several “blog links” for all fans to explore regarding Rule V players that may/may not be available from most all the MLB teams…..we are noted as the primary Yankee Blog.
http://www.buccofans.com/2009/.....ayers.html
Alot of searching – but I’m sure someone will come up with several “potential stars” that may be left unprotected…..
Let us know who these “diamonds-in-the-rough” are !!!
fox news listed 10 tiger ‘mistresses’ earlier today.
The first year I followed the off-season closely was the Santana year. I have learned to take all in stride. I don’t really get excited about anything, and I feel like almost nothing would surprise me.
Teixeira surprised me. I wanted the Yankees to get him so badly, but was absolutely convinced it would not happen. Boston was thisclose to getting him and then, swoosh! Mr. Cashman, THE Cash Man, gets him! What a Christmas present that was!
Everything is a rumor until its done.
As far as Granderson, and what Detroit is supposedly asking for him – well, don’t you start by asking for the most you could possibly hope to get and then go from there? We’ll see.
But I trust that if Cashman didn’t do Jackson for Washburn, he won’t gut the farm for anyone.
It is nice to have “real” rumors though, isn’t it??
“The Yankees will never win with A-Rod.”
I’m with you, Carl. The guy’s a bum. He never gets a hit in the big spots.
Ham Fighters -
If there’s 10 of them, “mistresses” is a kind word to use, isn’t it?
Ham Fighters
December 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
fox news listed 10 tiger ‘mistresses’ earlier today.
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Maybe David Letterman will have them on his “TOP TEN” segment……then he can teach Tiger how to best handle a scandal !!!
yeah, you gotta wonder how many of their names tiger could even remember…
I thought Marquis had retired? Or been on the DL the last 3 years? Either way he’d be of no help to the Yanks. Just another Carl Pavano situation if you ask me.
I’m sorry, but Tiger’s got a problem. If all the allegations are true, or even a fraction of them are true, then it would seem that Tiger has a sex addiction.
If it’s one or two girls, you could just say “so what”. But the number and level of involvement is just too much.
It is comical, though, that they’re literally coming out of the woodwork. Or “Woodswork” if you will.
Maybe Jackson for Jackson-Austin for Edwin, with Granderson and other Yankee minor leaguers thrown in, if the Halladay deal doesn’t materialize.
yeah, thats gonna happen, edwin jackson and curtis granderson for austin jackson, reegie corona and eric hacker, that sounds about right to me, how could they turn it down?
I don’t believe in the concept of a sex addiction because it diminishes the degree to which a person is responsible to conduct themselves properly.
ill even thrown in colin curtis if they’ll add joel zumaya…
Ham Fighters,
Tiger probably doesn’t even know half of their names. They aren’t names, they’re body parts to Tiger.
S.o.S.,
That movie Byatch Slap is about an all female team of Huskie sled dogs and the trainer that led them to victory.
I’d probably have a sex addiction too if hundreds of beautiful women were throwing themselves at me.
That’s the first and last comment I will ever make about this Tiger Woods stuff.
Not a big tabloid guy myself.
So if Cash is saying that Cervelli is the backup, what does that mean for Molina? Should someone go talk to AJ because you know, he can’t pitch to anyone other than Molina.
the thing is, you cant avoid the tiger stuff. i couldnt give a crap about his marriage or his bimbos, thats totally his buisness, but you cant avoid it.
funny how the press wants print every possible detail about the bimbos but has been too scared for years to call tiger out for his constant club-throwing and f-bombing and for his caddie’s bullying and shoving of fans b/c they are too afraid he wont talk to them after the round.
Some guy on MLB just said the Sox and Angels are the most prominent teams involved with Halladay…
“That’s the first and last comment I will ever make about this Tiger Woods stuff.”
And here’s mine – most men cheat. Anyone who doubts that is living in fantasy land. I don’t know if Tiger has a sex addiction problem or not, but I’d love to be his wife’s divorce attorney. Each mistress probably adds another zero to the figure he’s going to have to pay.
And now, back to baseball!
For fans of baseball history, tomorrow night’s Bob Costas interview with Bob Feller is a must watch. Feller is outspoken and a great listen. It starts at 8:00 PM, Eastern Standard Time. Also, tonight at 12:30 AM on Prime 9, is the top nine eligible HOFers not in the HOF.
I’m sure AJ will be just fine……sheesh.
Giuseppe Franco
December 7th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
I’d probably have a sex addiction too if hundreds of beautiful women were throwing themselves at me.
That’s the first and last comment I will ever make about this Tiger Woods stuff.
Not a big tabloid guy myself.
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GF:
Probably politically incorrect – but much, much more accurate than the lame phony ‘sex addition’ excuse…
“Some guy on MLB just said the Sox and Angels are the most prominent teams involved with Halladay…”
If the Angels are involved, they must have given up hope of signing Lackey.
I love the Prime 9 shows…..already saw the ones tonight, though.
Laura – He just has to make it work with Cervelli. He’ll do fine, he is just as good defensively and as a game caller.
Everything about Halladay is pure speculation. We know the Yankees have the prospects to get him of they want to. They just have to decide if they want to
Didn’t one of the papers have quotes earlier today that said Cashman wants to lock up Andy first before looking at other pitching options? Maybe that is why we haven’t been involved yet.
Or maybe Cashman isin’t as interested in Doc as the fans are…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....penny.html
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
“That’s the first and last comment I will ever make about this Tiger Woods stuff.”
And here’s mine – most men cheat. Anyone who doubts that is living in fantasy land. I don’t know if Tiger has a sex addiction problem or not, but I’d love to be his wife’s divorce attorney. Each mistress probably adds another zero to the figure he’s going to have to pay.
And now, back to baseball!
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If most men cheat, that means that there are either just a few women that are very busy, or most women cheat also.
See how much sense that makes. I can make idiotic blanket statements, too.
“Some guy on MLB just said the Sox and Angels are the most prominent teams involved with Halladay…”
What happens is that the same false reports get circulated over and over again.
“And here’s mine – most men cheat. ”
I call bs.
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
“That’s the first and last comment I will ever make about this Tiger Woods stuff.”
And here’s mine – most men cheat. Anyone who doubts that is living in fantasy land….
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Bold and unfounded statement. Those that do – do with who ???
Girlfriend & Boyfriend crap is not cheating.
The funny part is that, there has been no indication either way about how Cashman feels about Halladay.
And really, his opinion is the only one that matters. Cash’s philosophy has always been that he doesn’t want to pay twice. Maybe he thinks the price is too high, even without the big 3.
addiction isnt an excuse for anything. it does however exsist. ppl think that b/c someone comes to deal with an addiction that they are attempting to exonerate bad behavior, but in fact, to face an addiction, the addict has to accept full responsibility for thier actions and change the way they live to avoid doing the same things.
Blake, that’s true – this is driving me crazy, though. It’s all I can think of……..
“And here’s mine – most men cheat. ”
I call bs.
You can call it whatever you want. That’s my opinion based on what I’ve seen, read and heard. That’s from people I know and the celebrities in the news. Men in relationships cheat. That’s just the way it is. Women have learned to accept this fact. Men should try to accept it as well.
“Girlfriend & Boyfriend crap is not cheating.”
I’m not sure I know what you mean. If a guy has a steady girlfriend and sleeps with another woman, that’s not cheating?
the halladay thing is likely to drag out until february at least. nobody is going to jump in with a huge offer when they think they can wait the jay’s out, and the jays have at least until ST to try to get a better offer.
Ham Fighters
December 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
addiction isnt an excuse for anything. it does however exsist. ppl think that b/c someone comes to deal with an addiction that they are attempting to exonerate bad behavior, but in fact, to face an addiction, the addict has to accept full responsibility for thier actions and change the way they live to avoid doing the same things.
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….or in this case – they can hide behind the “SA” name and avoid greater future financial liabilities…
Is it too late to hope for a surprise December 7th bombshell from the Matsui camp???
I am not giving up on Godzilla (I’m also not making any wagers about his Yankee fate, however…)
WEEI.com reportimg Mets are meeting with Jason Marquis’s agent,Cashman did his friend a favor..bwahahah!
WEEI.com reportimg Mets are meeting with Jason Marquis’s agent,Cashman did his friend a favor..bwahahah!
Laura has definitely been cheated on
“addiction isnt an excuse for anything. it does however exsist.”
Yes, it exists as a physiological phenomenon, like heroin and cocaine altering one’s normal neurochemistry.
Sex doesn’t do that. It may become a habit that’s tough to break, but it’s a psychological rather than a physiological occurrence.
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
“Girlfriend & Boyfriend crap is not cheating.”
I’m not sure I know what you mean. If a guy has a steady girlfriend and sleeps with another woman, that’s not cheating?
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Not married = not considered cheating. Absolutely no standing obligation to the girlfriend.
“I am not giving up on Godzilla (I’m also not making any wagers about his Yankee fate, however…)”
I’m not either, although I fear he will not be a Yankee next season.
yes, some people do hide behind addicttion as an excuse, just like people hide behind twinkies or orders from thier neighbor’s dog for what they did. it doesnt make addiction any less real.
“You can call it whatever you want. That’s my opinion based on what I’ve seen, read and heard. That’s from people I know and the celebrities in the news. Men in relationships cheat. That’s just the way it is. Women have learned to accept this fact. Men should try to accept it as well.”
Exactly, but you are making a generalization based on a small sample size. My experience is contra. Most men don’t cheat, and women cheat about as often as men. After all, men have to cheat with women unless they’re gay. NTTAWWT.
“Not married = not considered cheating. Absolutely no standing obligation to the girlfriend.”
This is what MEN think. Go ask some women who are dating one guy and see if they expect him to be sleeping around while he’s dating them.
The dating/marriage distinction is spurious. Some married couples have open marriages. Some couples that date have monogamous commitments.
“Exactly, but you are making a generalization based on a small sample size. My experience is contra. Most men don’t cheat, and women cheat about as often as men. After all, men have to cheat with women unless they’re gay.”
Rich, I didn’t say that women don’t cheat. I said that most men cheat. Women cheat, but nowhere near as much as men do. Also, I guess it depends on how you view cheating. These tramps that have come forward to say that they have slept with Tiger – are they married? Are they in relationships? If the answer is no, they aren’t cheating; only Tiger is because he’s the one that made the commitment.
AJ will have no problems pitching to the eyes. C’mon now. Anybody can pitch to those eyes.
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
“Not married = not considered cheating. Absolutely no standing obligation to the girlfriend.”
This is what MEN think. Go ask some women who are dating one guy and see if they expect him to be sleeping around while he’s dating them.
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Get married – be a good wife & mother – then the bitterness will subside,
The operative word is dating. Where is the “obligation” factor in dating ???
“AJ will have no problems pitching to the eyes. C’mon now. Anybody can pitch to those eyes.”
His mask will hide the eyes so it won’t be too much of a distraction.
laura, im sure you werent privy to the details of tiger’s ‘commitment’ to his wife. how do u know they didnt agree to an open marriage? michael jackson was married wasnt he? elton john was married but now admits that he has always been gay. people marry for money or green cards or to save on thier taxes, you dont know what his commitment to her is or was, so you cant say for sure that he was cheating.
UpState
December 7th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
“Girlfriend & Boyfriend crap is not cheating.”
I’m not sure I know what you mean. If a guy has a steady girlfriend and sleeps with another woman, that’s not cheating?
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Not married = not considered cheating. Absolutely no standing obligation to the girlfriend.
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You are going to be single for a very long time my friend.
“laura, im sure you werent privy to the details of tiger’s ‘commitment’ to his wife. how do u know they didnt agree to an open marriage? michael jackson was married wasnt he? elton john was married but now admits that he has always been gay. people marry for money or green cards or to save on thier taxes, you dont know what his commitment to her is or was, so you cant say for sure that he was cheating.”
Ham, Elin’s reaction to Tiger texting another woman is sort of a clue that they didn’t have an open marriage.
“Rich, I didn’t say that women don’t cheat. I said that most men cheat. Women cheat, but nowhere near as much as men do. Also, I guess it depends on how you view cheating. These tramps that have come forward to say that they have slept with Tiger – are they married? Are they in relationships? If the answer is no, they aren’t cheating; only Tiger is because he’s the one that made the commitment.”
Again, my experience is different.
You can’t compare normal people to celebrities. No matter how good looking you are (or how um, skilled), you’re not going to get as many opportunities to cheat as one of the biggest stars in the world. There’s a name for it, as you probably know.
Laura
You left out NTTAWWT when you quoted my post!
“You can’t compare normal people to celebrities. No matter how good looking you are (or how um, skilled), you’re not going to get as many opportunities to cheat as one of the biggest stars in the world. There’s a name for it, as you probably know.”
Yeah, I do.
And now back to baseball!!
Seems like Dr. Ruth has taken the place of Babe Ruth on this blog.
Having a lot of mistresses =/= sex addiction. Frequency is the thing with sex addiction. He could have just had a lot of road beef.
“You left out NTTAWWT when you quoted my post!”
That’s probably because I didn’t know what it meant.
i dint hear anything about her being mad about any texts, but as i say, i’ve been trying to avoid all that noise except for a good joke here and there.
but if he was cheating, i still dont care, its none of my buisness. as for who’s cheating in a dating relationship, if the guy thinks he isnt cheating and the girl thinks he is cheating, who’s right?
“Seems like Dr. Ruth has taken the place of Babe Ruth on this blog.”
That’s partly my fault. I said I was only coming to make one comment about Tiger and made several. My bad.
And now back to baseball!!
30,000 more troops are being sent to fight in a war and nobody knows how many will come back, you people are gossiping abut Tiger Woods like he’s Jesus Christ. He’s a nerd who now has the ability to land any woman, not a saint, so who cares?
also, tiger cant be ‘hiding behind sex addiction’ when he hasnt said anything of the sort. thats just other people speculating.
“That’s probably because I didn’t know what it meant.”
Not a Seinfeld fan?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
30,000 more troops are being sent to fight in a war and nobody knows how many will come back,and you’re on a yankees blog commenting on other people’s comments. why dont u go do something useful like hunt down osama or find nicole’s real killer if you’re so concearned?
“Not a Seinfeld fan?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that”
I hope not because I never liked Seinfeld. Not a fan of Friends either. But I like LOST!!!
Now that’s a topic for the blog:
Who’d have a higher OPS, Dr. Ruth or Babe Ruth? I know it’s hard to compare eras…
In this era, Babe Ruth would have been on Dr. Ruth’s show.
The only situation comedy worth watching is reruns of the Honeymooners.
…a Yankee fan NOT a Seinfeld fan ???
That really shouldn’t go on a resume’.
I’ve never seen the Honeymooners and don’t really have any interest. I would add Golden Girls (watch them every night – they’re never off the air) and I Love Lucy. Dick Van Dyke show is awesome, too
Up until 2 or 3 years ago, I’d never even seen an epi of Seinfeld……and I still have never once seen an epi of the Simpsons.
“…a Yankee fan NOT a Seinfeld fan ???
That really shouldn’t go on a resume’.”
I’ve been a Yankee fan for longer than Seinfeld has even existed so I think I’m okay.
where has erica been?
hope she is ok???
i miss her
“where has erica been?
hope she is ok???”
She may be busy with the holidays.
At least watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUwSxqnRW-8
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
“…a Yankee fan NOT a Seinfeld fan ???
That really shouldn’t go on a resume’.”
I’ve been a Yankee fan for longer than Seinfeld has even existed so I think I’m okay.
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I’m sure you’re ok….but any “lenght of time” was clearly not the point….
WHOOOOOSH !!!
I know this is a Yankees blog, but I have to admit that the Angels have me puzzled. Is it just me or does it seem like they aren’t doing anything to try and hold on to their guys? Why are they letting the M’s get Figgins? It doesn’t seem like they are even putting up a fight.
KEN PHELPS !!!
….but geez – he had a heck of a swing !!!
The best week in the Baseball off season, and the blog is talking about Tiger Wood and Dr Ruth Great
the angels have a young 3B coming up so they dont need to spend the bucks on figgins and they need to fill other holes, to they will need some bucks for that. and they are supposedly very interested in halladay, too.
also remember they got pretty burned by the matthews signing, and that they are in a very weak division.
Ham Fighters,
I’m not the one getting upset over peoples comments. Point is why get mad over Tiger woods on a yankee blog? We A. Have more important things to think about. B. Shouldn’t be talking about it anyways. Chill out, you’re not Laura’s husband or her bodyguard.
Because Figgins isn’t that good. The Angels always spend a fair amount of money so I’m thinking they either keep Lackey or go after one of the bigger name free agents or Halladay.
Laura,
That’s why I’d imagine they will be big players for Halladay if he OKs an extension.
ok so this is the best week in the offseason everybody, so lets talk some more about halladay to keep FRESH entertained while nothing coninues to happen at the winter meetings.
FRESH
December 7th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
The best week in the Baseball off season, and the blog is talking about Tiger Wood and Dr Ruth Great
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Please enter with some brilliant wisdom…..we are awaiting.
The Granderson talks are like the Halladay talks in July:The team is asking for the moon and stars, and if they get want they ask for, great
But asking for and getting what they want are two different things for the Tigers.
**Above from Buster Olney’s twitter……..it makes sense as the Tigers don’t HAVE to trade Granderson
Halladay is a significant upgrade over Lackey as the ace of the Angels rotation but if they lose Lackey to gain Halladay then their rotation doesn’t really improve all that much. Thats why I don’t think the move makes that much sense for them unless they are planning on keeping Lackey in addition to making the trade. You could argue it would even make their rotation worse because they would likely have to trade one of their other young starters to get him…
the angels always let their players go instead of paying them
most of them anyways
they get the best years out of them first
tex,hunter,figgins & on & on
they always seem to find replacements
jack i was just agreeing with you that we should all be doing more to support the troops, so lets get out there and find osama, im right behind you buddy…you go first…
“That’s why I’d imagine they will be big players for Halladay if he OKs an extension.”
Given the players they could be losing, Halladay may question if they are still good enough to win.
…didn’t find Osama yet ???
(check Woodbury Commons Outlets)
Nick in SF….You have a historical flair about you !!! Dec 7th, Matsui, surprise signing !!!!!
Ham, I was trying to put things into perspective. Try not to be so immature next time.
Rich, I agree. If the Angels get Halladay but lose Lackey and one of their young starters like Weaver in the trade, are they really any better?
Back to topic ……
No blockbuster deals should be expected on the 1st day of meetings.
Not like days of yesteryear when deals could be quickly consumated in one simple sitdown.
Contracts, clauses, and geographical preferences have to be sorted out with player agents among other reasons before a deal can be called done.
blake
December 7th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Halladay is a significant upgrade over Lackey as the ace of the Angels rotation but if they lose Lackey to gain Halladay then their rotation doesn’t really improve all that much. Thats why I don’t think the move makes that much sense for them unless they are planning on keeping Lackey in addition to making the trade. You could argue it would even make their rotation worse because they would likely have to trade one of their other young starters to get him…
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is he an upgrade or not???
do we win that series if they had halladay?
i can’t see them adding 32 million in pitching
actually over 32 million
I have a fun story to share. I took today off from work to go Christmas shopping at the Palisades center. At about 3:30 I see a sign on the wall of FYE music store that said Mariano Rivera will be there from 5:30 to 7:30. After me and friends freaked out, we went in the store, bought the WS DVD for $30 and got a wrist band. We came back to the line at around 5:30, waited for about 45 minutes, and got his autograph/took a picture with him. He was beyond nice. I still cant believe I shook Mariano Rivera’s hand today.
The SNL Tiger Woods skit was pretty good.
Here it is if you want to check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrIWM6YnAzE
Ham Fighters
December 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
jack i was just agreeing with you that we should all be doing more to support the troops, so lets get out there and find osama, im right behind you buddy…you go first…
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lmfao
http://www.bases.nbcsports.com
Article #6:Classless move by Scott Boras.(He goes off on Whitey Herzog comment to the Catds about Holliday)
Article #8:Are Angels avoiding Holliday because of Boras?
(They are still fuming over the Tex deal,and being played)
I think Dr. Ruth can help out ARod. There, we’re talking basbeball.
they found saddam in a 3×3 hole in the ground but can’t find bin laden
something does not add up especially with drones flying 24/7
Bru, he’s an upgrade over Lackey as the #1 but if they don’t re-sign Lackey and lose one of their other pitchers in the trade then their overall staff isn’t really any better.
I’m not sure what you were asking
“Bru, he’s an upgrade over Lackey as the #1″
Bin Laden?
“Because Figgins isn’t that good.”
He was good for them. He was their table setter. Many believe that’s part of the reason they failed in the postseason. Figgins did nothing and thus, they didn’t score. I’m just surprised they aren’t trying to keep him. Now MLB.com says that the Angels are after Jason Bay. I’ll be happy when all of these rumors turn into facts.
They know where bin laden is they just can’t touch him. According to the Times they had a sniper sighted right on him but Pakistan’s gov didn’t ok the shot. That was right before Obama took office.
A lot of the good rumors will start eminating from the hotel bar tonight.
“The SNL Tiger Woods skit was pretty good.”
With Rhianna as the musical guest, I thought the skit was ill-timed. Funny, but poorly timed.
GreenBeret7 December 7th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
If most men cheat, that means that there are either just a few women that are very busy, or most women cheat also.
See how much sense that makes. I can make idiotic blanket statements, too.
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We’ve always know that – that you can make idiotic statments.
so i keep reading people’s comments on here that the yankees can get halladay w/o giving up any of the big 3 (joba, phil jesus) and im trying to figure out just who these folks think the jays will take for halladay if not any of these 3 guys and i just can’t see it.
can any of you guys who say we can get halladay please give me an example of who would constitute a package that would bring you back halladay that doesnt include joba, phil or jesus? cause im just not seeing it…
I think they should start letting fans go to the winter meetings. We could be advisors.
myeant Cards about paying too much money for Holliday.
Whitey was elected to the HOF today and was the former Mgr of the Cards when they won the WS in 1982.Boras is crude toward him,just nasty!
btw, i keep hearing from the toronto side that they want AT LEAST 2 of those 3 players…
Jack O’launcher
December 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“Bru, he’s an upgrade over Lackey as the #1?
Bin Laden?
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Osama simply cannot pitch anymore at the ML level….slightly better than Igawa; but not much.
So after the business is done for the day, the GMs all hang out at the bar? I find that hilarious, I don’t know why…I just hope Cash doesn’t get drunk and make a deal he’ll regret in the morning
“can any of you guys who say we can get halladay please give me an example of who would constitute a package that would bring you back halladay that doesnt include joba, phil or jesus? cause im just not seeing it…”
Ham, deep down, we all know that to get Doc, we’d have to give up either Joba or Hughes. That’s why I don’t want to talk about it. I’m not comfortable giving up either. Joba would hurt less, but I still don’t want to do it.
“I find that hilarious, I don’t know why…I just hope Cash doesn’t get drunk and make a deal he’ll regret in the morning”
Is that how we ended up with Igawa?
Ham, Joba/Jackson for Halladay then plan the parade.
If no one else gives up their best prospect, then I’m fine with waiting for Doc to become a free agent…However, I’m not going to give up yet.
bru December 7th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
they found saddam in a 3×3 hole in the ground but can’t find bin laden
something does not add up especially with drones flying 24/7
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The photo lenses don’t work at night. At night they use infra-red lenses which only pick up body heat.
blake, i think you’re close and id go for that, but that wasnt my question.
Jackson, Romine, McAllister and Melancon should do the trick.
“Ham, Joba/Jackson for Halladay then plan the parade.”
One of my White Sox buddies said that if we get Doc, he doesn’t see any reason to actually play the games. He said that we should just be declared the winner. I like his way of thinking.
We have active technology *right now* that can find and identify guys through some unknown means, but word is that it is gait recognition. The US military isn’t stopped by night time.
Erica
December 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
bru December 7th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
they found saddam in a 3×3 hole in the ground but can’t find bin laden
something does not add up especially with drones flying 24/7
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The photo lenses don’t work at night. At night they use infra-red lenses which only pick up body heat.
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No body heat = dead.
Igawa – if he loves Scranton so much, maybe he can get a job after his playing days are over at Dunder Mifflin. Oh wait – that’s not a real paper company? Nevermind…..
“Jackson, Romine, McAllister and Melancon should do the trick.”
No it won’t. If I’m TOR, I wouldn’t do that deal.
“also remember they got pretty burned by the matthews signing, and that they are in a very weak division.”
Weak division that kicked the shyte out of the AL East in 2009.
Ham, the answer is no. It would have to include at least one probably two of those players, especially within the division.
“So after the business is done for the day, the GMs all hang out at the bar? I find that hilarious, I don’t know why…I just hope Cash doesn’t get drunk and make a deal he’ll regret in the morning”
Or cheat on his wife.
j/k Cash
Betsy, Igawa isn’t productive enough to work at Dunder Mifflin.
btw, if u believe that a u.s. soldier had osama in his sights but didnt shoot b/c the pakistani government didnt give the o.k. then i’ve got a bridge you might want to buy…
“Or cheat on his wife.
j/k Cash”
Good one, Rich!
Laura,
If Doc says, Blue Jays, I’d like you to do that deal, they’ll do that deal. And all 4 of those guys will be big leaguers which is better than what Minnesota got for a younger Santana.
“can any of you guys who say we can get halladay please give me an example of who would constitute a package that would bring you back halladay that doesnt include joba, phil or jesus? cause im just not seeing it…”
If the Jays want Joba, Jesus, B-list
How about IPK, Z-mac, Nova, D-rob and Romine, someone else like Man ban. Maybe switch someone out on the list for A-Jax. Not that I’m into it, i’ll just wait a year..
also Melvin Croussett would bring in Roy and the Jays farm.
Doc doesn’t guarantee anything…………no player in any sport does.
Phil, I guess it really depends on what the Jays think of our system. We might love these guys (well, we know they like Jackson), but perhaps they don’t think much of Romine, McAllister or Melancon? Maybe they do, of course……
“I just hope Cash doesn’t get drunk and make a deal he’ll regret in the morning”
Didn’t that happen with the Yanks and Sox way back?
Betsy – high on pie
December 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Igawa – if he loves Scranton so much, maybe he can get a job after his playing days are over at Dunder Mifflin. Oh wait – that’s not a real paper company? Nevermind…..
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It’s real – actually called “Greenway Press”
sorry phil theres no way they’re trading doc for jackson, a middle reliever and two guys who are in a ball.
“If Doc says, Blue Jays, I’d like you to do that deal, they’ll do that deal. And all 4 of those guys will be big leaguers which is better than what Minnesota got for a younger Santana.”
I don’t know, Phil. If I’m TOR, I’d insist on either Joba or Phil. Those other guys aren’t in their league.
I’m picturing the GM’s hanging out at the bar like that bar from Star Wars…….what a meat market. Ah, to be a fly on the wall.
Blake, good point, lol.
blake
December 7th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Betsy, Igawa isn’t productive enough to work at Dunder Mifflin.
NOW this is funny!
not to mention that if the jays even considered a package like jackson romine mc allister and whoever, the socks would top that package in a second. so would the phillies.
Romine just graduated a-ball as the player of the year in the International League. McAllister just lead the Eastern League, which is AA, in ERA. Melancon has already made his major league debut and Austin Jackson was the rookie of the year in AAA. And Melancon has been a closer everywhere but with the Yankees, where the job the was filled.
Betsy – high on pie
December 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I’m picturing the GM’s hanging out at the bar like that bar from Star Wars…….what a meat market. Ah, to be a fly on the wall.
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….what a meat market….
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sounds like someone is itching & ready to ‘cheat’ !!!
And who exactly would the Sox and Phils offer? The Sox are all of a sudden going to agree to Bucholz, Bard/Kelly?
“the socks would top that package in a second”
Wish what? They won’t trade Westmoreland.
Good Lord. The Phillies can’tn afford Halladay and the Sox can’t beat that package unless they trade their untouchables. Our B prospects are better than their’s.
Phil, so if all those players are so great then why not just trade Joba and keep them?
phil, the socks would put bucholz in a package to top that and the phils would put haap in. theres no way the jays take that package, nice players but no way thats a winner.
UpState, I’ve got no one to cheat on,lol……how sad is my life that I get a kick out of the idea of spending my evening eavesdropping on GMs at a bar?
“And who exactly would the Sox and Phils offer? The Sox are all of a sudden going to agree to Bucholz, Bard/Kelly?”
If it gets Roy, they’ll flip Bucholz.
blake,
cause the Yanks still think Joba will be a top of the rotation starter, and they know they have players behind the ones they’d be trading.
“Melancon has already made his major league debut and Austin Jackson was the rookie of the year in AAA. And Melancon has been a closer everywhere but with the Yankees, where the job the was filled.”
Phil, if memory serves, Melancon’s time up with the big club was far from memorable.
Ham,
the Sox took Bucholz off the table for Roy.
Then why didn’t the Phillies include Happ last year, when they could have had Doc for 2 years (assuming he would be ok with the NL)?
Laura,
yeah, it was a huge sample size.
btw, if u believe that a u.s. soldier had osama in his sights but didnt shoot b/c the pakistani government didnt give the o.k. then i’ve got a bridge you might want to buy…
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think it is well within the realm of possibility for that to happen. Especially when the kill would have taken place on a nuclear countries soil without their permission.
I think there are many factors which could lead into a soldier taking or not taking a shot at Osama. From chain of command issues, to real good conspiracy theories like Bin Laden paid off the US (his relatives were good friends with the Bush’s!), to leaving him alive because wars are profitable.
The books that come out down the line will be epic.
Phil, I’m not so sure they think that
Jerkface
December 7th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
They know where bin laden is they just can’t touch him. According to the Times they had a sniper sighted right on him but Pakistan’s gov didn’t ok the shot. That was right before Obama took office.
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bunch of crap
the phillies have plenty of money, they were right behind the yankees in attendance and thier beautiful ballpark is being almost totallly paid for by my fellow pennsylvanians, they can afford halladay.
blake,
think what?
Betsy – high on pie
December 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
UpState, I’ve got no one to cheat on,lol……how sad is my life that I get a kick out of the idea of spending my evening eavesdropping on GMs at a bar?
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I’m sure if you were there – most of them would surely take notice & stop talking about thr Rule V draft prospects !!!
Our B prospects are better than their’s.
On this board? Yes
Everywhere else? No
Ham,
the people who report on the Phillies say they can’t add Roy’s salary. We’ll see what happens.
Let’s also not overrate Happ. What has he done that makes him a deal breaker?
“yeah, it was a huge sample size.”
Phil, didn’t you read the earlier posts? I make all of my pronouncements based on small sample sizes.
squidward,
well, then this board is right and everywhere else is wrong.
jerkface, so you’re saying that the BUSH admisintration, who approved the rendition and torture of suspected bin laden leutenants and associates from countries all over the world (allies and foes alike) didnt shoot bin laden when they had the chance b/c they asked and didnt get the pakistani’s permission?
Jack O’launcher December 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
“I just hope Cash doesn’t get drunk and make a deal he’ll regret in the morning”
Didn’t that happen with the Yanks and Sox way back?
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DiMaggio was traded for Williams, done over drinks one night, the next morning the Sox GM called off the deal because he knew the fans would kill him.
LOL at this – thanks to Ken Davidoff twitter…..
The mention of the #Yankees cutting payroll/sitting out big free agents to other teams’ officials generates anger: “They always say that!”
23 minutes ago from web
*****I wonder if the other GMs yell at Cashman when they’re hanging out
“the people who report on the Phillies say they can’t add Roy’s salary. We’ll see what happens.”
Those people are probably right. If PHI is trying to lock up Lee long term (which everyone says that they are), I can see where signing Doc would raise an issue.
According to Larry Stone, who talked with Alan Nero (Felix’s agent)today – there’s nothing to worry about…
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ons_w.html
“There’s nothing urgent,” he said. “Felix is so comfortable right now. He’s been in the Mariner family from day one. We have a lot of time to work something out. We’ll go forward. No one is pushing the other. Last year, we settled our arbitration case in three phone calls. If that’s the case, we can do that again.”
When I pointed out that the reason for the concern is because Felix could be in Roy Halladay’s lame-duck situation next offseason if no extension is worked out now, he said, “We still have two years. We have the rest of this offseason, we have spring training. You’re accelerating the time table. Felix is very comfortable in his skin. Everything happens in due time, and good things are going to happen. There’s no stress here.”
And just in case you didn’t get that point, here’s more from Nero on Felix: “He’s very happy. He loves his pitching coach, he has confidence in Wak, he loves the team. There are no problems at all. All that talk about trades — there have been no discussions, zero, from the team side. Obviously, his name comes up. There are 29 other teams that would love to have Felix Hernandez.”
Nero, remember, goes way, way back with the Mariners. He represented Randy Johnson, Lou Piniella, Edgar Martinez and John McLaren , among others — not to mention Kenji Johjima. Heck, he represented Don Wakamatsu for much of his career (but not currently).
“There’s a lot of trust here,” he said. “Not distrust. A tremendous amount of trust. We’ve done a lot of business with the Mariners through the years. I’ve known Jack as long as I’ve known Chuck (Armstrong). They don’t come any better than Jack Zduriencik. He’s a solid, honest guy.
“Bottom line: No worries.”
So stop worrying already.
I’ll be worried until the ink is dry
No Phil. What it proves is we’re like every other fan base when it come to overrating our prospects.
@KenDavidoff: #Yankees cutting payroll/sitting out big free agents to other teams’ officials generates anger: “They always say that!”
Guess the stealth Cashman act plays better on Broadway than it does on the road.
blake
December 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Ham, the answer is no. It would have to include at least one probably two of those players, especially within the division.
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imo it depends on what teams go after him
the mets got santanna for nothing & there are only a few teams if that that wan’t to spend the money & give up prospects
i just don’t see what teams that will do it
Bay declines arbitration.
i read that toronto want’s a pitcher,catcher & if
joba,romine,pena
squidward,
no, what it proves is that some people believe the Sox hype. No one I know in baseball thinks they’re B’s are as good as our’s.
Abdababdaserser,
Thanks.
“@KenDavidoff: #Yankees cutting payroll/sitting out big free agents to other teams’ officials generates anger: “They always say that!”
Guess the stealth Cashman act plays better on Broadway than it does on the road. ”
If those GMs want sympathy, they need to look elsewhere. The truth is that many teams could spend more than they do – they just choose not to. They would rather line their pockets with the money that they get from us (via revenue sharing) instead of re-investing it into their team. Then they want to complain when they have scrubs playing on the field. You want a good team? Go out and get one.
yes i agree, in fact i think it would take two of the big 3. now im not saying he’s not worth that, he may be, i wouldnt make that trade myself. but a bunch of ppl were on her last night and the day before saying that the yankees would get halladay w/o any of those 3 and i say thats a pipe dream. not only would the jays not accept it, but several other teams would top that offer.
Of course, do you really think Bush wanted to piss off a nuclear country? Bin Laden has a mansion in the Pakistani countryside. One of Obama’s points was that he would run ops into countries regardless of permission if the intelligence was credible enough.
It is also highly believable. Just because we are America doesn’t mean we do whatever we want. Sometimes you have to play the political game, sometimes you can go do whatever you want.
There is a difference between blowing up/shooting up Bin Laden’s mansion in a country that we are not at war with vs smash and grabs on his Lts in the deserts of countries we are actively at war with.
DeRosa is turning down arbitration.
And another thing – what type of crack is Kenny Williams smoking? Ozzie says that he wants to get younger and faster – so Kenny signs Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones. What’s next? Is he going to talk Barry Bonds out of retirement?
Money is the biggest obstacle in Mitlon Bradley to TB deal.
“DeRosa is turning down arbitration.”
He knows that there are several teams out there interested in his services. He’s no dummy.
Laura,
You’re absolutely right. George helped create a dynasty team not by purposely cutting payroll, but by getting the best team possible. As a result of so many championships, George racks in the money, and re-invests it in the team. Many owners have the kind of funds to do what George did, but they didn’t/don’t choose to. That’s their own fault.
They will receive no sympathy from me.
jerkface, bush ran operations into pakistan regularly w/o thier permission, you are kidding yourself if you believe that story.
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“@KenDavidoff: #Yankees cutting payroll/sitting out big free agents to other teams’ officials generates anger: “They always say that!”
Guess the stealth Cashman act plays better on Broadway than it does on the road. ”
If those GMs want sympathy, they need to look elsewhere. The truth is that many teams could spend more than they do – they just choose not to. They would rather line their pockets with the money that they get from us (via revenue sharing) instead of re-investing it into their team. Then they want to complain when they have scrubs playing on the field. You want a good team? Go out and get one.
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Just worth repeating.
Copy & Paste to your friends that are “other than Yankee fans”
“And another thing – what type of crack is Kenny Williams smoking? Ozzie says that he wants to get younger and faster – so Kenny signs Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones. What’s next? Is he going to talk Barry Bonds out of retirement?”
Cheap crack.
williams does okay. the sox have been much better under williams/ozzy than they have been for a long time. sure everybody talks about getting younger and more atheletic, but then they have to actually hire people and not concepts. im not saying that these guys are world beater, but somehow williams always fields a good team.
Ham Fighters
December 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
yes i agree, in fact i think it would take two of the big 3. now im not saying he’s not worth that, he may be, i wouldnt make that trade myself. but a bunch of ppl were on her last night and the day before saying that the yankees would get halladay w/o any of those 3 and i say thats a pipe dream. not only would the jays not accept it, but several other teams would top that offer.
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almost every team can’t or won’t add that kind of payroll
if the yankees are hesitant what does that tell you
i think it will be very difficult for toronto to move him
Jerkface
Google drones and pakistan. The conversation on Bin Laden is probably better off on another blog.
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“but somehow williams always fields a good team.”
Or does he get lucky in an inconsistent division with 3 cheap teams?
This is not something either of you for a fact, same goes with me, but let me ask what is more believable.
One of the most wanted men in the world has eluded the world’s greatest superpower, which has reasonably close to unlimited resources and allies in the war against him?
or
That we know where he is and some political BS has halted us from closing the deal?
“im not saying that these guys are world beater, but somehow williams always fields a good team.”
In the past, but this time, his behavior if strange especially when you consider all of the guys that will be available because of arbitration. There were going to be better options available to them than Vizquel and Jones. One thing is certain – their fans are not happy.
Interesting question, JerkFace – but I don’t do politics, particularly on this blog.
did i miss something or did the white sox win a WS with williams and ozzie running the show?
i always find myself scratching my head at why williams does what he does, but he’s been pretty good at it, so i stopped wondering.
Ian Kennedy, Mark Melancon, & Melky Cabrera for Halladay.
Boogie Down,
that works, too.
“Ian Kennedy, Mark Melancon, & Melky Cabrera for Halladay.”
why not brett gardner, george kontos and reegie corona, while we’re at it?
Kontos is rehabbing from TJS.
” in fact i think it would take two of the big 3.”
Not with the leverage that Halladay (NTC) and the Yankees (just won WS) have and the BJs lack (only a handful of teams can afford him and no one wants to give up tons of assets and a $100+m contract).
o, you’re right, thats why that package wouldnt work. damn, it woulda been a good one otherwise…
Toronto is only peddling 1 expensive year of Halladay that probably comes with the other team having to extend him. They can wish for a lot, but they won’t get a lot. It’s not like they’re selling a bunch of years of a young Halladay.
Melky is becoming a little costly given his production. I doubt the BJs want him.
“did i miss something or did the white sox win a WS with williams and ozzie running the show?”
Lots of teams win, we haven’t had a dynasty since the yanks. If you look at that year the pitching way outperformed itself, to the point where you have to say it was a very lucky year. Mix it in with the still pretty young core of hitters, and the other guys able to mash, you had a power hitting (and podsednik) solid pitching team that is now disband and/or old (Konerko ain’t hitting 40 again), and without said luck from before they look even worse.
I don’t think Melky would be in the trade, either.
phil u keep saying that all they have is one year of halladay, but they also have one year of exclusive negotiating rights, which is what this is all about. whoever signs him will have to give him an extension, both to get him to waive his ntc as well as to make the trade worth thier prospects. so they might as well have 6 years of halladay to trade.
also, halladay is going to want 5 yrs x $20M, which is just not worth it given his age.
so i say pass.
“did i miss something or did the white sox win a WS with williams and ozzie running the show?”
Yeah, Ham – that was back in 2005 when they had phenomenal pitching. 2009 is going to be just a little different. Plus, the past is the past. That doesn’t explain those signings. Nothing does really.
guys, give credit where credit is due, williams won a world series as gm, dont crap on it and say it was lucky, he won and thats it. if you want respect for your teams WS wins, they show some respect for other people’s
Ham,
if the Jays want too much we will pass, but I think he’s gonna end up with the Yankees for 4 player mix of b prospects and young major leaguers.
“im not saying that these guys are world beater, but somehow williams always fields a good team”
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once he took Rios and his horrific contract, that sealed the deal that he has no idea what he’s doing
laura if the past is the past, then the yankees only have 1 WS to brag about the others are anchient history.
Yanks have 27 WS to brag about and don’t you forget it.
then dont crap on the white sox’s WS win.
“guys, give credit where credit is due, williams won a world series as gm, dont crap on it and say it was lucky, he won and thats it. if you want respect for your teams WS wins, they show some respect for other people’s”
Winning once in six years does not make your front office impenetrable to questioning.
Ham Fighters
How could you, on the one hand, say that it will take 2 of the big 3, and on the other, that he’s not worth 5 x $20m? Or do you acknowledge that they are both minority points of view?
I think you’re wrong on both counts.
White Sox think so much of the WS that they were willing to throw one.
I think Kenny Williams is a good scout but a bad GM.
Yes, because clearly something that occurred 90 years ago is very relevant to the organization today.
among baseball people the idea that the yankees will get halladay without giveing up any of the big 3 is way below a majority, its a joke.
and i say hes not worth 5x $20M at age 33. i dont care what the majority says about that.
Which baseball people? And what are they offering for Halladay?
ok so you want to call out the white sox for 1919 but brag about the yankees of 1922?
I really don’t think a combination of guys like IPK/Melky lands Halladay, but I do think that the Joba/Romine/Pena suggestion is reasonable.
Wow. Yanks didn’t win the WS in 1922.
Anybody who is willing to take Betemit from the Yankees is ok by me.
kennedy & melky??!!??!! you are on that same crack they say williams is smoking.
another yankees fan who thinks they can get quality for nothing.
you cant get granderson for melky & kennedy, let alone halladay.
you guys are high
so many yankees fans want respect but give none. its really sad.
What’s even sadder is Yankee fans that don’t even know which world series titles they won. That’s some saaaaaaaad stuff.
o yeah, you could run off every yankees WS win w/o looking it up, i’m sure.
the scary part is you probably could!
Um, if you were responding to me Ham Fighters, then you need to check your reading comprehension. I myself was responding to someone else’s comment above, and saying that a package involving IPK/Melky would NOT get it done. I agree, there’s no chance that would land Halladay – it wasn’t my suggested trade.
I could, and so could a lot of the posters here. You can’t and that’s sad.
“o yeah, you could run off every yankees WS win w/o looking it up, i’m sure.
the scary part is you probably could!”
Tis the best part about being a fan, knowing your team.
All reports say that the Jays want some combo of Joba, Hughes, Jackson, Montero and I don’t blame them. Its going to take at least one of those and probably two. I would offer Joba and Jackson. I think that would get it done and be well worth it.
u need a life.
Jack Curry accepts NY Times buyout….
He was one of the few good writers left.
u need a brain.
thats my point, they want at least 2 of the 3. if other teams drop out of the bidding, maybe you get him for one of them, but no way you get him w/o any of the big 3, the jays would just keep him then. but phil and rich insist that they can get him for something like melacon, romine and jackson.
it aint happaning.
“I really don’t think a combination of guys like IPK/Melky lands Halladay, but I do think that the Joba/Romine/Pena suggestion is reasonable.”
Neither deal would get Halladay.
among mediots the idea that the yankees will get halladay without giveing up any of the big 3 is way below a majority, its a joke.
Fixed.
Via MLBTR
THe REd Sox have acquired Kason Gabbard.
So that means that he will once again be a future stud type prospect of the Sox.
Can’t wait to hear Gabbard sniffed by Peter Gammons and then used again to acquire another player, like they did Gagne.
“but phil and rich insist that they can get him for something like melacon, romine and jackson”
I don’t think thats realistic. You can say that the Mets got Santana for nothing but don’t you think other clubs have learned from that debacle.
“but don’t you think other clubs have learned from that debacle.”
I maybe wrong but did the Indians get anything from the Phils? And the Jays already messed up the Halladay deal.
blake,
there have been very few deals involving combinations of big prospects since the Yanks and the Sox drew the line in the sand two years ago and left the Twins holding crap for Santana.
Indians got these guys for Lee:
Triple-A right-hander Carlos Carrasco, Single-A righty Jason Knapp, catcher Lou Marson — the likely heir apparent to Victor Martinez — and shortstop Jason Donald will be sent to Cleveland.
Phil, if the Jays don’t get a deal they want then they will just keep him and either try and trade him at the deadline or just take the picks. If they have to pick from lesser deals then they will pick one out of the division unless Halladay vetoes it. I’d love it if they could get him and not give up any of their best prospects but until I hear different I’m not buying that as a possibility.
Joba in the Pen:
I’m not sure Joba/Romine/Pena would get Halladay either, but I didn’t think it was a ridiculous suggestion either. I agree with many of the posters that it would clearly take at least one of the big four mentioned, possibly two. And I agree with the poster who said that, if I had to give up two of the big four for Halladay, would rather trade Joba and Austin than trade Phil or Montero. But I’m not entirely convinced that it would take both to get a deal done. Certainly the Jays would ask for at least two of the four, but that doesn’t mean that they would get them. Few teams can afford to take on salary for players like Halladay in the current market, and fewer yet are willing to do so while also parting with good, young cost-controlled talent. Halladay wants out of Toronto, has a full no trade clause, and Toronto wants to shed his salary. That combination of factors means the Jays, while having a great commodity available in Halladay, who will certainly draw a lot of interest, doesn’t have the leverage in a trade that they may appear to. A couple of years ago, no one would have believed that the Twins would have to settle for a package like Carlos Gomez/Humber/Mulvey for Johan Santana, but that’s exactly what they ended up doing. I at least think a package of Joba/Romine/Pena is considerably better than Gomez/Humber/Mulvey, no?
Jack, The Indians aren’t exactly a model of how to run a baseball team. I don’t think they count.
That’s fine too, but I think they’ll end up trading him for a solid package of B’s and fairly soon.
I hope you’re right and if so I hope they pick the Yankee’s package of “B’s”,
Put joba in pen n sign lackey. Dominant
Indians got a very good package
Carasco still has a great arm, even if struggled last year. He was in the Futures game at YS in 08.
Knapp throws 100 MPH and Shapiro said his scouts referred to him as “Mini-Halladay”.
Jason Donald is a sick fielder with an improving bat. His D alone will make him a big leaguer.
Marson is a very good catching prospect.
Philly actually sacrificed a lot for Lee, but their farm is loaded so they still have chips left like Drebeck, Brown, Taylor, plus Happ etc.
Red Sox got Kason Garbage…….
Carlos Santana is the heir to Victor Martinez in Cleveland.
Thanks for the Indians info guys.
“Knapp throws 100 MPH and Shapiro said his scouts referred to him as “Mini-Halladay”.”
If he turns into Halladay with a 100 MPH heater, he’ll be clemens.
JMK, that would be pretty good also. Although IMO Halladay is significantly better than Lackey and I feel like Halladay would give them two #1′s, where Lackey would give them two #3′s.
Very quietly, the Knicks have won 3 in a row and 4 of 5. Beating some good teams too— Suns, Hawks, Blazers… blew those 3 out actually for the most part.
Still we need a guy to step up and take Wangs spot, thats the way I look at it.
Brewers closing in on a 3 year deal with Randy Wolf.
Cleveland actually got a pretty good package from the Phillies… some nice pieces there with upside.
However, remember…. Lee had 1.5 years left on his deal, 2 cracks with him in the playoffs. Lee also didn’t have a NTC that basically restricted CLE to 3-4 teams. Lee also couldn’t control his negotiation like Halladay can now.
Halladay has only 1 yr left on his deal and has a NTC. So if you use the Philly-Lee package as a benchmark, Toronto should expect less than that.
Doreen December 7th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
NYY626 -
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Doreen, it was amazing! I’m really happy that I convinced my friends to go to that mall today ( it’s kind of a far drive for us, but I love the Palisades Center, its huge!).
Here’s the picture we took. Its a little far away but luckily my friend has a better one on her camera:
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blake
Learned from the Johan debacle?
Lee was gotten by the Phils for nothing, along with Francisco.
Schilling was gotten by the Red Sox for nothing.
“but phil and rich insist that they can get him for something like melacon, romine and jackson”
Right, because two picks from 25-45 are unlikely to yield as much.
CR9,
#1. as was pointed out above the Indians got some pretty good players in that deal. The Jays aren’t going to give him away and if they do accept a lesser deal then it won’t be from a team in their division. The Yankees or Red Sox will have to bid higher than the Angels or Phillies will.
#2. The Schilling deal happened before the Johan deal so I don’t see how thats even relevant.
“but phil and rich insist that they can get him for something like melacon, romine and jackson”
Right, because two picks from 25-45 are unlikely to yield as much.
Yes, but the Yankees aren’t the only team who is going to bid on him and another team would probably top that offer.
Felix Hernandez want a 100 million dollar contract. The Mariners can’t afford that. He should just join the Yankees because thats the only way he will win multiple championships, and become a icon. When he becomes a free agent the yankees should target Felix.
Jeremy, I can agree with that.
“Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports that the Jays and Dodgers talked about a possible Halladay deal today and don’t appear to match up well.”
They probably asked for Kershaw and Kemp.
Don’t sign Lackey. He is a waste of money. Guys like Felix Hernandez, justin verlander who will be FA’s soon should get that kind of money not Lackey.
The Indians got a pretty mediocre package for Lee and that’s being kind…….that said, I don’t think that has much to do with this situation. The Indians might have gotten a better package from the Yankees except that they insisted on Phil Hughes – ridiculous. Ok if folks want to believe that Anthopolous will take a lesser package just to get him out of the AL East, but indications from Olney, etc….are that that’s not the case. That said, I think it’s very possible that the Jays hold onto Doc. Just by the way Anthopolous is trying to control things (having GMs meet in HIS office, no more than 4 in a room at a time), it’s obvious that he’s got this situation well under control.
Even Halladay should get a big contract not Lackey. I guess since Burnett got paid he wants to get a paid a lot more.
Why can’t the Mariners afford 100 million for Felix? They have the 7th highest payroll in baseball. If Felix is willing to sign an extension which I did not expect because he would get a HUGE contract on the open market the Mariners will almost certainly lock him up.
I think Lackey is a good pitcher but if reports are true that he wants a deal thats more than Burnett’s deal (both years and dollars) then no thanks..
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....fense.html
Or, Halladay said, “I won’t accept a trade to the Dodgers.” Halladay is driving this, not the Jays rookie GM.
If its true that Halladay has said he would only accept deals to the Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, or Angels then why are they bothering reporting information that the Rays and Dodgers etc. etc. have considered offers.
‘Guys like Felix Hernandez, justin verlander who will be FA’s soon should get that kind of money not Lackey”
M’s will get Hernandez locked up til he’s 30. They have the money. Verlander is 2 more seasons from FA.
“Yes, but the Yankees aren’t the only team who is going to bid on him and another team would probably top that offer.”
But if the RS need offense more and don’t want to give up Bucholz, and the Angels are so weakened that Halladay may not want to go there (and they don’t train near his palatial FLA estate), what options do the BJs have?
Would you rather:
1)trade Joba and Jackson for Halladay or
2)trade Joba and Montero for Felix?
This is hypothetical of course. I know I would do the first deal and probably would do the second as well. Don’t know if either would even work. The Mariners have said Felix isn’t available but I have to think if Cashman called and gave them that offer they might just listen.
“I think Lackey is a good pitcher but if reports are true that he wants a deal thats more than Burnett’s deal (both years and dollars) then no thanks..”
He’s been better than Burnett so it’s hard to blame him for seeking more money. Don’t see it as a fit here though.
Joba, Melky, Brackman for Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson…
I also say the Yankees go out on another limb and trade Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson, Austin Romine, and Ramiro Pena for Roy Halladay.
Rotation:
CC
Halladay
Edwin Jackson
AJ
Pettite
*what a rotation* and the Yankees do have the chips to get it done…..Come on CASHman…CASH in!!!
Yeah the Mariners have the money but Felix has to agree to the contract. The Mariners are a poorly run organization. Felix won’t win anything out there. If he wants to waste his best years doing nothing in the Northwest then he has to be dumb.
Buster reported that, but who’s to say he’s more reliable here than Jon Heyman or Will Carroll (who both say Doc strongly prefers, if not outright insists, on only signing with a team who trains in FL)? It’s all just guesswork and speculation – we’re all trying to get inside Doc’s head (and Antholopous’ as well).
Buster reported that, but who’s to say he’s more reliable here than Jon Heyman or Will Carroll (who both say Doc strongly prefers, if not outright insists, on only signing with a team who trains in FL)? It’s all just guesswork and speculation – we’re all trying to get inside Doc’s head (and Antholopous’ as well).
“Yeah the Mariners have the money but Felix has to agree to the contract. The Mariners are a poorly run organization. Felix won’t win anything out there. If he wants to waste his best years doing nothing in the Northwest then he has to be dumb.”
They have a new GM that appears to be doing a much better job than the previous GM.
Jake, now thats parting with a lot of prospects. It would be a great rotation though and you still keep your best 2 prospects in Montero and Hughes.
“2)trade Joba and Montero for Felix?”
This one, but I would feel violated.
“Yeah the Mariners have the money but Felix has to agree to the contract. The Mariners are a poorly run organization”
Can’t say that. Mariners have a very solid ownership and a new GM. They’re doing the smart thing and acting now, and it will likely work.
“Felix Hernandez want a 100 million dollar contract. The Mariners can’t afford that. He should just join the Yankees because thats the only way he will win multiple championships, and become a icon. When he becomes a free agent the yankees should target Felix.”
The Mariners can carry a 100+M payroll and have enough revenue streams to support it.
Violated, haha. I am as excited about Montero as every other Yankees fan but if you can get a proven 23 year old Cy Young Candidate then thats gotta trump even Montero.
Rosenthal and Morosi report the Yanks, Tigers and DBacks are at an impasse over a trade that would send Granderson to the Yanks and Edwin Jackson to the DBacks. The DBacks are said to be pushing for it.
Phil, does it say who the Yanks have to give up.
blake,
no.
blake,
but we’re probably the impasse.
Yeah the Mariners GM is doing a better job but the Mariners are going no where. Yeah they have some pitching but they have no offense and chone figgins and Bay won’t save them. Texas is better than the Mariners and they have a better chance of taking the division away from the Angels.
Like I said. If Felix agrees to stick with the Mariners and waste the best years of his career then he isn’t smart. He could get paid more by a better team, and he would have a chance to win Championships, and become a icon.
The Yankees would have to trade AJax in order to get Granderson, but AJax is one of the guys the Jays like. I don’t see how they get Doc without including at leaste AJax.
Great hitters usual give you more winshares than great pitchers.
yea i’d say so especially if they still want Jackson and Hughes.
Given Granderson’s likely cost, it could be a leak designed to get Toronto to move more quickly on Halladay.
I’m sure it was the Yankees stalling the deal – it was reported earlier that they didn’t want to give up AJax for Granderson (which, Doc aside, is pretty silly)
“The DBacks are said to be pushing for it.”
Got to be the Tigers on the veto end because they aren’t getting enough or maybe the Yankees for feeling it’s too much.
We’ll see if the Yanks have to trade Jackson to get Granderson.
yes Blake…i know it’s parting with a LOT of prospects…but im saying this for a couple reasons.
1) (you already stated) we keep our best two : Hughes and Montero
2) The reward outweighs the loss because we’re actually getting young players back (exception for Doc who is just normal age)
3) Those trades are actually realistic, and we can get them done….and everyone sees now that winning wins championships and having 5 guys that can all pitch the game that has the season on the line would give these guys such a good, calm, easy season that they would all be great going into the playoffs.
-Having phil hughes in the bullpen again and setting up for the whole year with Robertson, Coke, Marte and possibly Melancon and Sanchez would make a FANTASTIC bullpen.
Now, for the lineup…
- You have to sign Damon
1. Jeter SS
2. Damon LF
3. Tex 1B
4. Arod 3B
5. Posada C
6. TBA (DH)
7. Cano 2B
8. Swisher RF
9. Curtis Granderson (from trade above) would make a GREAT #9 guy…
Now, for the DH….
1) Resign Matsui
2) Sign a free agent like Russel Branyon or Nick Johnson
3) Bring up a guy from the System like Juan Miranda or a GREAT opportunity to bring up Jesus Montero in like late May, switching him and Posada throughout the week so Posada is ready for the playoffs.
BLAKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK….and EVERYONE ELSE??
I’d trade Jackson and some kind of pitching prospect for Granderson. I doubt Jackson will ever be as good as Granderson so I think it would be a decent deal
Oh and sorry. the Mariners can afford it, but they have had a high payroll for years and they still suck.
Some of you guys think that the Mariners are contenders but I don’t see it. They have no offense even with Figgins. Texas is the team that can beat the Angels. They have pitching and offense.
I meant to say: It was already reported earlier that the Yanks didn’t want to give up AJax for Granderson. In and of itself, that’s pretty dumb… what else would the Yankees expect the Tigers to ask for? Also, it’s a problem if Cash refuses to ever trade his prospects.
That said, the Jays like AJax – if the Yankees are going to have a chance to get Doc, they probably need to hold onto him for the time being
I’d trade Jackson and some kind of pitching prospect for Granderson. I doubt Jackson will ever be as good as Granderson so I think it would be a decent deal
I’d do it too.
However, if the asking price was Hughes and Jackson, um……that would get the Tigers exactly nowhere.
So would I…unless you have to save AJack for Roy H.
From Rosenthal:
• The Yankees would receive Granderson from the Tigers and one or two prospects from the Diamondbacks.
• The Diamondbacks would get Jackson from the Tigers and right-hander Ian Kennedy from the Yankees.
• The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yankees. — Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi
Jake, I think its good in theory but the chances of all that happening are probably not that good. Also, I think Hughes is a starter and I don’t want him to waste another year in the pen. He did that last year because they didn’t have anyone else but its time for him to start. I’m also a supporter of going after Holliday so… I think you have some good ideas though.
Anthopolous may want it to appear that he is in control, but he isin’t and everyone knows it. He can only negotiate with 4 teams.
He might not even accept an extension with one of those teams (Angels).
Another team appears to not be interested (Philly).
Another seems more focused on a bat and just wants to block the Yankees, or see if they can ‘steal’ Doc (Red Sox).
Good for the Jays GM for trying to appear in control, but everyone knows he isin’t. Doc is in control. Of course, Anthopolous could just say screw it and opt for picks over a mediocre package. But he can’t control the negotiations.
If no one offers their top prospects for Halladay, then no one gives top prospects for Halladay. Last year the Jays chose not to take the deals offered, and Riccardi lost his job for it. Apparently that means the Jays wanted the GM to make a deal. If im another team, im starting my offers at under what was offered last year. The only reason people will start offering better packages is out of fear that another team will get him for little. I think what it comes down to is that the Blue Jays take the best offer. Whether that be a package of a teams top prospects or not. If they are highly regarded prospects the Jays will listen, and try to get teams to one-up each other. If that doesn’t work, they have to take what they can get. I dont think it’s out of the realm of possibility that the Blue Jays make the deal for some combination of Jackson, Romine, Z Mac, IPK, Melancon, D-Rob.
I think that only after other teams get serious is it going to become necessary to include a Joba or Montero.
But until then, keep them off the table, and i think the Jays will have to take what they can get. I don’t know about you guys, but i can’t think of a trade where as many as 4 of the likes the yanks have to offer (outside Joba, Hughes, and Montero) have been traded. Especially since the entire league began to value prospects as much as they do now. The Indians got a comparable deal for Lee i guess, but that was for a younger pitcher, who didnt have a NTC, with a year a half left (two postseasons), and wont command as high a contract.
Unless the Jays would seriously consider keeping him on for the year, they’re in no position to demand anything. I just dont see teams lining up to offer their best prospects because of how this situation has been dealt with…so far.
So the Yankees would give Kennedy, Jackson, Coke and Dunn, and get Granderson and minor leaguers…
no thanks IMO but I like Kennedy.
“Last year the Jays chose not to take the deals offered, and Riccardi lost his job for”
Wrong. Ricciardi was dead man walking well in advance of the Halladay issue.
Wait ! Are the yankees interested in Granderson ?
I thought the Tigers were asking for too much. I wouldn’t give up Hughes.
“Wrong. Ricciardi was dead man walking well in advance of the Halladay issue.”
The fact that he overplayed his hand with Halladay certainly didn’t help his situation. They wanted to trade him last year when his value was highest and he didn’t get it done.
Interesting rumor about the three way trade with Detroit and Arizona. This is just me reading into the situation but Detroit is probably asking for too much based on earlier rumors.
Granderson is a very good player but he’s limited. I think they would need at least some kind of right-handed CF to help him out vs tough lefties. Those splits really are a killer, I can’t justify giving up Hughes AND Jackson for him. I wouldn’t even give up Hughes straight up
I don’t want to trade IPK yet, except for Halladay.
“So the Yankees would give Kennedy, Jackson, Coke and Dunn, and get Granderson and minor leaguers…”
That’s about the size of it. Be great for IPK. I think he could be a pretty good pitcher in the NL. Guess it would depend on who the D’back minor leaguers were. Not real familiar with there system beyond J. Parker.
blake
Who cares if Ian goes. The yankees don’t need another back-end starter because he is a back-end starter.
Shame we can’t just by pass The D’Backs and get both Curtis & Edwin …..
I wouldnt want to give up either IPK or Ajax for Granderson. Mainly because i dont think highly of Granderson. I don’t think Cash would do this…unless of course he’s getting some valuable chips in return.
Just get me Curtis Granderson !!!! CF is covered for a few years at least
Jeremy,
I tend to agree except for the fact that if we trade him now it would basically be selling low. I doubt he will ever be a full-time starter for the Yanks but he could be a nice piece to trade for someone that will be. I’d hang on to IPK unless a good deal comes around, let him pitch this season (he’d be great depth) and raise his value.
“Shame we can’t just by pass The D’Backs and get both Curtis & Edwin …..”
We can, but the price would likely include Hughes.
“I’d hang on to IPK unless a good deal comes around, let him pitch this season (he’d be great depth) and raise his value”
Doesn’t appear he’s going to be in the rotation and he’s past the time where he’ll raise his value pitching in the minors.
Patrick Prospect Hugger
So your saying that they should trade Ian when his value is higher. Yeah I can understand that. We all know that he will eventually be traded because he will only be a 3-4th starter.
10:31pm: Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Yankees spent “much of the day” trying to acquire Granderson. They still haven’t offered Johnny Damon a contract.
Yeah exactly Jeremy.
squid,
He won’t be in the rotation but as we all should know by now, you need more than 5 starters during the season. If Kennedy does fairly well in AAA at the beginning of the season I could see him being the first guy called up in case of an injury. Let him get 5, 10, 15 starts this season and if he does well he will be worth a lot more in the trade market
Rich in NJ….Hughes and or Joba’s name wouldn’t even be a consideration for Granderson or Jackson…..Man, Curtis Granderson playing CF is a wonderful concept….He’s going to be a very good player in Pinstripes…Break out season awaits
Soriano accepts arbitration.
Not or, Pat M., and
It’s interesting that the Tigers want Dunn. I know he has control issues but I wouldn’t want to give up that arm. Coke they can have.
Yeah Pat I think Rich’s point was that if the Yanks were to trade for Jackson and Granderson they’d have to give up Jackson and Hughes/Chamberlain
I don’t want swisher playing everyday
I’m not a big fan of Swisher either but if the Yankees can rework his swing, eliminate that bouncing betty approach, his OBP and power are valuable. He’s at least average in the field and his throwing improved. At least he can now reach the cutoff man.