Bruney traded to Nationals
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2009 
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According to Joel Sherman, Brian Bruney has been traded to the Nationals.
UPDATE, 12:59 p.m.: Sherman says it’s for a player to be named later.
UPDATE, 1:06 p.m.: Bruney has a good arm and put up respectable numbers during the regular season, but his spot as the Yankees setup man was lost and Bruney became one of several middle inning relievers on the roster. He made $1.25 million this season and will get more in arbitration.
For now, I’d consider it a move to free a spot on the roster, free a little bit of money from the payroll and possibly get something of value in return. In the 2010 bullpen pecking order, Bruney was certainly going to rank behind David Robertson and might have ranked behind Damaso Marte, Alfredo Aceves and even Mark Melancon. Hard-throwing Romulo Sanchez was just added to the roster, giving the Yankees another right-handed power pitcher. Bruney’s solid out of the bullpen, but the Yankees have several similar — and cheaper and younger — options.
UPDATE, 2:36 p.m.: Things died down the past hour or so while a lot of folks grabbed lunch. Speaking of which, if you’re ever eating at the Indianapolis Marriott, there’s a menu option called “The Best Chicken Sandwich.” It should be re-branded as “The Perfectly Acceptable Chicken Sandwich.”
Here’s the official Brian Bruney trade press release from the Yankees. No new details, just a bunch of numbers.
The New York Yankees today traded RHP Brian Bruney to the Washington Nationals for a player to be named later. Bruney, 27, was 5-0 with a 3.92 ERA in 44 regular season relief appearances with the Yankees in 2009. He made one 2009 postseason appearance for the club, allowing three hits and two earned runs in 0.1IP in Game 1 of the World Series vs. Philadelphia.
Bruney, who was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on July 1, 2006, played four seasons (2006-09) with the club, going 12-3 with a 3.25 ERA (144.0IP, 112H, 52ER, 91BB, 133K, 14HR) in 153 appearances (one start). In his career, he owns a 16-10 record with a 4.27 ERA (221.1IP, 188H, 105ER, 153BB, 218K, 22HR) in 230 appearances (one start) over parts of six seasons with Arizona (2004-05) and the Yankees.
For who?
which minor leaguers did we get.
Oh great, player to be named.
put bruney on suicide watch.
well that didnt take long. i think its a good move for the nats if bruney can be consistent. they need pitching bad.
I guess it’s for a PTBNL.
It clears a spot on the 40 man.
WORLD SERIES!!!
lol.
That’s what happens when you pour champagne on the owners head, while on live TV.
Poor Brian Bruney.
He’ll get an opportunity to pitch. What more could he want?
“December 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
That’s what happens when you pour champagne on the owners head, while on live TV.”
I like this comment
that PTNL better be Morgan or Willingham.
More than a chance to pitch – he’ll probably get a chance to close.
I think we’re down to 38 on the 40.
before ppl get mad about bringing in ptbnl….as our boys have reported before…the yanks need to open some roster spots. as we can see from the playoffs bruney was expendable
He would have gotten an opportunity to pitch with us if in 2010. I don’t get this trade. Unless you know the quality of the return at the time of trade, why would you trade such a capable guy like Bruney?
Zimmerman is a Yankee
“That’s what happens when you pour champagne on the owners head, while on live TV.”
if it’s that easy, I’m sending a live camera crew, Kei Igawa, and a bottle of champagne to Hal’s house pronto.
if it’s a player to be named later the odds are is that it’s someone currently on the Nats 40 man roster and the Yankees don’t want to pick him up and put him on their roster until after the Rule V draft.
Vader December 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
That’s what happens when you pour champagne on the owners head, while on live TV.
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The minute the champagne his his head, he was probably thinking how do I get rid of this moron. LOL
“which minor leaguers did we get”
Strasburg!
Probably a 2nd tier prospect.
Oh no it´s Stephen Strasburg
“He would have gotten an opportunity to pitch with us if in 2010.”
Apparently not.
He had some good moments, but overall things haven’t clicked for him his whole career. Wish you luck Bruney. It’s afe to say you will pitch more and we won’t ever see you.
Brian Bruney has been sent to the Gulag. Next time, tell someone that you’re still hurt, Brian.
He goes from the team that won the WS to the Nationals.
Ouch.
yeah the champaigne on hal certainly didnt help his cause. Hal did NOT look thrilled at all. That night he was already on the phone with Cash telling him to send bruney as far away as possible.
Nothing more opposite of the yankees than the nationals.
I think we can expect a few more of these kinds of deals, maybe a 3 for 1 type deal. Cash needs to clear space on the 40-man
Don’t like selling low on Bruney.
With Joba and Hughes slated for the rotation next year, we need all the power arms we can find. Bruney was lights out early on, and finished the year strong. He was never healthy last year, so why not see what he was like when healthy?
Why not get rid of Rumolo Sanchez or someone?
Chip
December 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
if it’s a player to be named later the odds are is that it’s someone currently on the Nats 40 man roster and the Yankees don’t want to pick him up and put him on their roster until after the Rule V draft.
Either that or they’d rather pick after the draft so they have no worries of losing them.
He would have gotten an opportunity to pitch with us if in 2010.
Doubtful – he would have been behind Mo, Aceves, Robertson, Marte, Coke and Gaudin – he would have been the last man out of the pen. If you’re going to have someone there, why not Melancon or Romulo Sanchez at the minimum rather than the 1.5 that Brian was set to make.
Cashman would be god if he managed to get Strasburg for Bruney. Sadly, i dont even think Cash could pull that one off.
before ppl get mad about bringing in ptbnl….as our boys have reported before…the yanks need to open some roster spots. as we can see from the playoffs bruney was expendable
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Yes, and as we have seen by watching Brian’s waistline the past couple of years…Bruney is expandable.
I feel a little sorry for Bruney. The Nationals??? lol
PTBNL:
Strasburg?
Can we have utterly unrealistic pipe dreams?
(Just so we’re clear, the Strasburg comment is NOT serious.)
“Don’t like selling low on Bruney.”
They missed the chance to sell high a long time ago.
He and K-rod can now kiss and make up. They’ll be seeing a lot of each other.
And more good news. #99 is now freed up for someone to take.
I wonder who’s locker Bruney’s going to chuck a chair to after hearing this news?
I don’t feel bad for Bruney at all. He’ll make more this year and in his career than most people make their entire lives
Kepner says Bruney was due for salary arbitration.
“Don’t like selling low on Bruney.”
Even at his best, he wasn’t bringing that much. Injuries and inconsistencies were the hallmarks of his career. Good luck to him. Might even get the opportunity to close in DC.
BryanHoch Regarding N.Y. Post report, Brian Bruney texts: “I haven’t heard anything. Obviously I’m surprised.”
Either Sherman is wrong or Bruney should fire his agent for letting him get told by text message.
Joba should take the #99…how badass would that be?
A nation of Bruney Believers silently mourn.
Good luck to Brian and his mental health, lol. I don’t think he’ll handle this one too well. He didn’t handle being demoted well. Didn’t handle being left off of postseason rosters too well.
Hopefully, he’ll look back on his Yankee years and see only the good. They basically saved his career picking him off the scrap heap. Being patient with him, giving him the opportunity to grow as a player. And he leaves with a ring. I hope he can appreciate that because players who toiled much longer and harder like Mike Mussina and Don Mattingly never won championships.
Good luck to Brian Bruney, now he can break the hearts of a different fanbase.
“Kepner says Bruney was due for salary arbitration.”
True story. Don’t think it would have been a huge payday. $2.5M maybe?
Joba should get back to throwing 99, who cares about the # on his back.
Per Mlbtraderumors.com
•Heyman expects the Yankees to offer about two years and $20MM to Johnny Damon, and otherwise move on to Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye, Curtis Granderson, or possibly Byrd.
Good luck Brian Bruney. Bye bye
pat
December 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
BryanHoch Regarding N.Y. Post report, Brian Bruney texts: “I haven’t heard anything. Obviously I’m surprised.”
Either Sherman is wrong or Bruney should fire his agent for letting him get told by text message.
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That was in response to an earlier rumor about him going to the Braves, i believe
Two things i knew were guarantees in baseball were
Chicks dig the longball
Fans dig the fastball(TIME TO SCRATCH THAT)
Im confused…
Maybe they are getting Tyler Clippard back…
Pretty sure “solid” is not the correct term to describe Bruney….good move by Cash.
Don’t like selling low on Bruney.
Selling low? Really? At his best Brian is a middle relief pitcher (as in not an 8th or 9th inning guy) who is about to start making money as an arbitration player – what more do you think you’re going to get for him?
DeRosa’s agent says Yankees have had initial talks; supposed to meet with Cashman this week. –Carig
18 minutes ago from TwitterBerry
Joba should take the #99…how badass would that be?
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I settle for 97 or 98. Where his fastball used to sit before he decided to pace himself.
That 2 mil is the difference between offering Petite 10 mil and giving him 12 mil.
Joba might be a goner too.
Heyman expects the Yankees to offer about two years and $20MM to Johnny Damon, and otherwise move on to Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye, Curtis Granderson, or possibly Byrd.
Can’t take the numbers seriously when it comes to Heyman and Boras clients. He always predicts that Scott’s clients will get overpaid because he gets his info from Boras directly. So when Jon says that he expects the Yankees to offer Damon 2 years $20 mil that’s probably a direct result of him talking to Boras and Boras saying “I think the Yankees will probably open around 2 and $20″
I don’t see the Yankees giving Damon a guaranteed 2nd year.
Must have been the champagne…
Rad, I agree. Every dollar Cash can squeeze out of the old roster and put into 2010 counts. Back of the bullpen is not a place to put extra money.
If Damon is signed for 2 years. It better be for dh. Im tired of his girlyman arm in the outfield and him Aroding anything hit in the air this past season. Is anyone worried about his batting average dipping to .280 in 09? They say age hits you overnight.
“Ed H. says:
December 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Joba might be a goner too.”
Source? Or just pissing in the wind?
I can live giving Damon 2 for 20. thats about fair considering the Abreu and Figgins deal.
Damon has 2 left in him !
12:02pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney says the Mariners are “unlikely to get involved” on Bay. He never did seem to fit with Jack Zduriencik’s style.
5:12am: Geoff Baker tweeted that the he’s heard Jason Bay told his former Pittsburgh teammates he’d “stand on his head and sing” to play for the Mariners.
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Too bad the feelings aren’t mutual.
Bay was their best hitter this season. Losing him would weaken the Red Sox imo.
Funny Anthopoulos has limited the # of people in his suite to 1,or 2 at a time,to cut down media leaks.After this year he’ll be nothing,enjoy!!
Why would you let Damon walk and try to get Dye??
Just get Granderson
Must have been the champagne…
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or the elbow…
Lotsa consternation about the 13th guy on an 11-man staff.
I think this is just moving a financial commitment for a lower prospect.
I may be wrong, but I got a feeling with Joba or Phil will be in the pen for 2010 with the other the No. 5 starter.
“Too bad the feelings aren’t mutual.”
They may still be, just at a lower price.
“•Heyman expects the Yankees to offer about two years and $20MM to Johnny Damon, and otherwise move on to Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye, Curtis Granderson, or possibly Byrd.”
Was that Heyman or Boras reporting that?
Bruney deal might indicate openings for some Rule 5 picks, but I expect they need the 40 man spots for some veteran signings like Andy, Johnny (I’d go young in left), or even hairston or DeRosa.
This makes a lot of sense to me- Bruney struggled with the Yanks and was just one of many middle relievers. With the Nats, he will be a star in the bullpen and maybe even get a chance to close.. not to mention, the Nationals have a beautiful new park in a pressure-free environment. And the Yankees reduce the payroll a bit and free up a spot on the 40 man. Seems like a win-win to me.
raymagnetic,
Good to see you in here more often. Hope everything is going well. Must be in vacation or something. You need to change your capital R to lowercase. Everytime i see that, it makes me think its your evil twin or some sick stalking raymag fan.
I may be wrong, but I got a feeling with Joba or Phil will be in the pen for 2010 with the other the No. 5 starter.
I don’t think you’re wrong at all.
Asked this on the last thread – but if the choices are 1 year deal to Andy for $12-15 mil or 5 year deal to Lackey for $15 – $18 mil do you sign Andy or spend a little more this year for a longer term solution?
“(I’d go young in left), or even hairston or DeRosa.”
The difference between going young (which I support) and gong to Hairston or DeRosa (which I don’t) is stark.
Sigh. Damon for 2? 1 is stretching it. I want an OF that you can trust.
So, if Damon signs for 2, then he and Jorge would both be DH candidates in ’11? I have more confidence in Jorge catching in ’11 than Damon playing the OF.
I don’t think Damon should get more than Abreu got. But i guess it MIGHT be worth the 20 for 2 if there’s a lack of younger, comparable options.
“Asked this on the last thread – but if the choices are 1 year deal to Andy for $12-15 mil or 5 year deal to Lackey for $15 – $18 mil do you sign Andy or spend a little more this year for a longer term solution?”
Where’s Andy going to go if the Yankees hold firm at $10.5 or even $11?
Bruney was about to get paid too much $$ to be a middle releiver on the Yankees.
Joba is going nowhere; he will be the number 3 or 4 starter for 2010.
Dye would be ok as a DH to share with Miranda and play occasionally in the OF, but I don’t think he’s a fulltime RF any more.
Granderson isn’t going to be cheap. Something like Austin Jackson plus Robertson/Melancon and more. If the deal grew to include Jackson you’re looking at Romine and McAllister in addition and maybe more.
Guys the Yankees ARE NOT using trading chips for Curtis Granderson. it aint happening. All trading chips will be used for Pitching,, either now or at next years trading deadline.
Rumor to fact:
BryanHoch RHP Brian Bruney to Washington #Nationals for player to be named later, deal has been confirmed.
2 minutes ago from Power Twitter
i think as yankees fans, we really want bay to sign with seattle. this forces the red sox to go after holliday and deal with boras. after tex, lucchino and boras in the same room would be fun to watch.
they have to sign one of those two
derosa is an everyday player. only way he comes to the yanks is if damon does not return.
Chip
you hit the nail on the head.Just read an article on Boras last night.It says he uses the media/writers to spray information to the public,and they get a scoop!
So if Boras is saying 2/20mm Yankees are not there,I’ll bet.
DeRosa should not be an everyday player for the NYY.
I think Bruney is looking for a bridge to jump off of….wow, the Nationals????? ugh……..
Bay was their best hitter this season. Losing him would weaken the Red Sox imo
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mel,
Unless they replace him with Holliday.
Has anyone watched the new Terminator movie? I just watched it and was wondering how John Connors father could be in the future and younger than him? Im mean way younger. Its been killing me trying to figure it out. I would really appreciate it if someone can explain it to me. Thanks in advance.
What quality of player can we possibly be getting back for Bruney? I didn’t think he really had a place on the team, so this will be good for him in that he can reestablish some value. For the Yanks? Not sure what it does for them.
I would stay very far away from DeRosa.
Most of you know what my fall-back would be if Damon wants a 2 year deal for lots of money and it would not be Mark DeRosa.
Raymagnetic
December 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
“Ed H. says:
December 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Joba might be a goner too.”
Source? Or just pissing in the wind?
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Obviously, you haven’t been paying attention. There has been tons of discussion, in the press and on this blog, that Joba could go in a potential trade for Halliday. Don’t be lazy. You research it if you haven’t been doing your reading.
Bruney is now officially the 5th best player on a baseball team…
Dye has a big fork sticking out of his back.
maybe derosa is not a starter for the yankees but he is elsewhere and the yankees arent paying that much for a bench guy.
Looks like the Angels are going after Bay now ,, Mlbtraderumors
S.o.s,
good to see you here too. The capital R is cause I’m on my Iphone right now. It types the first word as a capital letter and I’ve just never changed it. Lol@ this being my evil twin.
Chip
Can you repost your choice to replace Damon?
“Where’s Andy going to go if the Yankees hold firm at $10.5 or even $11?”
He has a couple of options:
1. Retire
2. Angels
3. Mets
4. Seattle (Mel is with that organization)
I would stay very far away from DeRosa.
Most of you know what my fall-back would be if Damon wants a 2 year deal for lots of money and it would not be Mark DeRosa.
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WE ALL KNOW
12:36pm: Olney expects the offer to Pettitte to be $11MM+.
Andy is the second best FA pitcher out there and probably the best guy to be had on a 1 year deal. He only wants to play for the Yankees and deserves a raise.
Just get it done Cash so you can move on to other fish…
Phil
Dye has a big fork sticking out of his back.
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Well said…
SoS,
Good point about Holliday. So, why are all these teams hot to trot for Bay, when he’s “clearly” the inferior player to Holliday? Hmm…
Looks like it’s your year for NFL, and mine for NBA.
Can you repost your choice to replace Damon?
Choice #1 – Trade IPK and a lower prospect to KC for David DeJesus. Good LF, great fit for the lineup as the #2 hitter, 1 year 5 mil deal with a team option.
Choice #2 – Rick Ankiel – good fielder, would be a terrific bat in this stadium
Choice #3 – Matt Holliday
Choice #4 – Austin Jackson
Choice #5 – Randy Winn
Chip
I think Andy would retire. I am extremely confident that a deal will be reached with the Yankeess.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Hal’s budget cutting continues
“December 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
That’s what happens when you pour champagne on the owners head, while on live TV.”
LOL – exactly
Andy should get a little “extra” because it’s a one-year deal. Discounts are supposedly built into multi-year deals. By any measure he had a good year. In fact, he had a good 2008, too, until he had shoulder issues down the stretch.
Chip
Although I would trade IPK for Halladay, I think his trade value will be a lot high be the AS break, so on balance, I would like to hold on to him.
I would love Holliday if they were willing to spend.
I am not opposed to any of the options because they may all be preferable to giving Damon more than one year and a team option.
Adam
Bruney is now officially the 5th best player on a baseball team…
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That was funny!
You guys need to get off that Holliday kick. Cashman doesn’t need to spend that type of money on him and can get two players for his price with more production from the both of them.
I think $11m for Andy is extremely fair. He’s still an injury risk.
Damon = 1 year 8M with 8M team option
^^^ take it or we go elsewhere
So, why are all these teams hot to trot for Bay, when he’s “clearly” the inferior player to Holliday?
Holliday = Boras
The Red Sox front office is still furious with Boras over the way things with Tex wound up last year. If Bay left Boston it wouldn’t shock me if the Sox went with Jermaine Dye. The monster would help cover up a lot of his fielding problems. They could also bring back Baldelli and go with a platoon of him and Jeremy Hermida out there.
Randy Winn?really?The Yankees wanne get younger right?
If Damon walks they should go after Granderson.He’s younger,faster,has more power and plays bettter defense.And isn’t that what the yankees want?
If we can get Pettitte signed early, things could get interesting.
Im just tired of this Andy playing the Clemens card year in and year out. Just come out and say you want to play if the money is right and stop acting like a foot is out the door already. 11 mil is fair enough if you ask me.
Chip,
I mentioned Dejesus last winter and most people said it was a bad idea and that his numbers arent even better than Melky’s. Might want to go with plan b. Ankeil etc.
mel,
The Colts picked a bad year to be good. The NFC has two loaded teams that can take it in the Saints or Vikings. Tough year for the AFC.
So i was talking to my father a couple days back and he had to brag about the Lakers coming back with 5 seconds left vs. Miami. All i heard is blah blah and more blah. Spurs are a second half team. Watch out for Blair.
Chad Gaudin could be next to go.
Rick Ankiel, Ryan Church, Randy Winn … ? Ugh they are all below average players.
Although I would trade IPK for Halladay, I think his trade value will be a lot high be the AS break, so on balance, I would like to hold on to him.
Rich,
I just think Ian is redundant in the system. The Yankees have a ton of young pitchers who are about to hit AA and AAA (McAllister, Mitchell, Pope, Bleich, Nova, De la Rosa) and behind them another big group with guys like Brackman and Heredia. For Kennedy to have an impact on this season the Yankees would have to not re-sign Andy (or any other pitcher) and have an injury to someone in the rotation.
I just think if I can move him in exchange for a young(ish) LF who is cost controlled I would do it.
Chip
They tried Baldelli last yr. I don’t see them revisiting that. He wasn’t healthy for the season.
If they choose to go with Dye we here should all be very happy. I could see 3rd place if they do that.
You guys need to get off that Holliday kick. Cashman doesn’t need to spend that type of money on him and can get two players for his price with more production from the both of them.
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Holliday’s money may be used to get Halladay too.
S.o.s,
good to see you here too. The capital R is cause I’m on my Iphone right now.
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raymagnetic,
You need to get a refund on your damn Iphone!! Its capital S’s in S.o.S..
Rick Ankiel, Ryan Church, Randy Winn … ? Ugh they are all below average players.
Ankiel is superior defensively to Damon
Church was someone I thought the Yankees might get when I thought Bruney was going to Atlanta (average player for average player)
I would rather have Winn than Mike Cameron or Marlon Byrd.
[i]Chip December 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
“Where’s Andy going to go if the Yankees hold firm at $10.5 or even $11?”
He has a couple of options:
1. Retire
2. Angels
3. Mets
4. Seattle (Mel is with that organization)[/i]
You mean Mel as in Stottlemyre?
He hasn’t been with the M’s since the 2008 season…
S.o.s.,
In the original Terminator, John’s father comes from the future. So he could be older, younger, or whatever. Time travel lets you do that kind of thing. In fact, it did seem like Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn), the guy that got sent back, was younger than the John Connor who sent him back.
S.o.S
Blair looked good against the Celtics recently. During the draft I was hoping he would be there for the Celtics.
m
I think there may be one champion in Boston this yr and it isn’t the Patriots.
Did they make a new rule in the NBA that the champ plays 75% of their games at home?
Toronto likely has a list of multiple desired destinations from Halladay.
They won’t get much return on their investment because they can’t control the fact that he’s a 1 year rental but they can control where he goes and you won’t see Halladay pitching against the Blue Jays in the AL East.
Highly unlikely.
SoS,
So your father’s a Lakers fan? Interesting… I bet he’s really, really smart…
Blair? Watch him tip the rock into the wrong goal?
That shot was unbelievable. Down by 4 with 4 seconds to go or something? Sounds like your dad’s “blah, blah, blah” would be music to my ears.
You mean Mel as in Stottlemyre? He hasn’t been with the M’s since the 2008 season
I knew he wasn’t the pitching coach anymore but I thought he was an organizational advisor – sort of their Nardi Contreras.
Wow. The Nationals? You go from World Champion to the Nationals. That’s brutal. I actually feel sorry for him. At least he’ll have a ring; that will soften the blow.
Andy either signs with us or he goes home. He’s not playing for any other team. I think they will end up settling at 12mil.
Damon>
(small gap)
Cameron>
(big gap)
Byrd>
(small gap)
Church>
(gapping hole)
Ankiel>
(small gap)
Winn
In conclusion, Damon and Cameron are Tier A players. There is a big time drop off to Byrd or Church. And there is a gapping grand canyon size gap between Damon/Cameron and Ankiel/Winn.
MY,
Ugh. Can’t stand it. I read that after this homestand, 40% of our home schedule will be done. So everyone, even the players are taking the w/l record with a grain of salt.
But we always getted killed on the Grammy trip. Just like the Spurs do on their Rodeo trip and the Bulls do on the Circus trip.
And last season we had two road trips of at least 9 games, so it balances out.
Haven’t really looked at the schedule, but as long as Gasol, Bryant, and Bynum stay healthy (knock on wood), I think they’ll be okay. Maybe make it past the first round of the playoffs.
The answer is Granderson and Holliday.
Simple.
For the Edwin Jackson Curtis Granderson crowd
By Tim Dierkes [December 7 at 12:57pm CST]
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that the Tigers are close to trading Edwin Jackson, “perhaps as early as today.” No word on the potential destination, but we’ll keep you apprised in this post. What’s more, Nightengale says the Tigers hope to trade Curtis Granderson this week.
The Tigers acquired Jackson from the Rays during the Winter Meetings last year, on December 10th.
Randy Winn is complete garbage.
Ankiel is vastly overrated and will most likely disappoint in the AL.
DeJesus is another one….why do you guys think he’s any good? Have you ever watched him play? He’s fast and plays good defense. You want to give up IPK and another player for him?
You guys really needto get a grip. Its going to be Damon. On the slight chance it isn’t, they certainly won’t be going after any of those guys. Maybe Cameron. But not thoseguys.
Bruney,oh boy,talk about going from the penthouse to the outhouse!!!!
Cash will meet with the media at 4:30.
Damon in the OF for 2 years is a mistake.
If he’s the DH, Matsui makes more sense.
thank god, good riddance.
Lots of updates on mlbtr.
Hope Joba’s paying attention,he may wound up north of the border.Nothing wrong with the team that pays you expecting results.
I for one am against Granderson. but i got a feeling He’ll either be a Mariner, Angel or Yankee by weeks end.
m
Spurs are doing their usual, saving their bullets for the playoffs.
KG starting to look like his old self. Should be fun to watch. Hope to meet in the finals.
Chip,
As much as you want the Yanks to move on from Pettitte, it’s not going to happen.
It’s just a matter of time before they ink him to a deal. Everyone knows it but you.
I dont think it makes sense to get Cameron in any scenario. Though he has better outfield range (but is aging), Melky does just as well at the plate and strikes out less.
matsui over damon. worry about who bats second later. still think cano can do it.
Poor Bruney. From Champs to chumps in 30+ days. K-Rod is Laughing his *ss off right now. At least Brian has a ring though.
Cash with the media at 4:30? Give us something good to look forward to Cash!!!
Cash will talk for 45 minutes and say nothing except “we will follow the process and any deal will have to make sense for us”.
“Poor Bruney. From Champs to chumps in 30+ days. K-Rod is Laughing his *ss off right now. At least Brian has a ring though.”
Yeah, maybe they can bloody each other with their respective rings before a game at Citifield.
Stanzy,
Thanks for trying to explain it to me. Still cant grasp it. If he was sent from the future, wouldnt he be older by then? If he was sent from the past, wouldnt he be at least older than John? Its a brain teezer thats for sure.
MaineYankee,
Alot of teams past up on Blair because of his bad knees. Time will tell if it was a steal or not. He could be the next Barkley or the next Oden. One extreme to the next.
mel,
My father has the damn game on everytime i go visit. Keep in mind i moved accross the street from my parents and i hardly visit. Im sure you can figure out why.
I knew you would find something bad to say about Blair. That was funny though. As long as he doesnt repeat it in the playoffs we can all laugh about it.
probably. at least he can present the empty space where bruney used to be.
As much as you want the Yanks to move on from Pettitte, it’s not going to happen.
I don’t want them to move on from Andy. I’m just curious about whether the Yankees will hesitate to give him what he wants.
Again, Cashman is always looking a year or two down the road. If you tell him you can have Player X for 1 year at 13-15 mil or Player Y who is 7 years younger for 5 years and it only costs you 3 mil more against this year’s budget, that’s a trade-off he might consider. He wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t.
Brian Bruney: “Going from winning the World Series with the Yankees to playing for the Nationals, that’s going to be different.”
CLASSIC…..
Cameron is much better than Melky both offensively and defensively. It is really not even close
Miggs
are you aware that the Yanks almost traded IPK for Ankiel straight up last year? From what i hear the Cards backed off because they weren’t sure that Rasmus was ready yet.
What that means is that internally the Yanks really liked Ankiels skillset and i for one would rather sign him for half of Damon’s $ and pair him with Kevin Long beginning next week!
PeteAbe is saying the Yankees were going to non tender Bruney,may as well get something for him.
NYY won’t make any FA signings official until after the Winter Meetings. They never do. It keeps spots open on the 40 man roster open until after the Rule 5 Draft. Any trades will most likely be 2-3 for one type trades.
lol, crawdaddy. He’s so adorable.
Back to Cashman’s style and what not. Someone posted a Q&A with Boras. He said that Cashman spent 5-6 hours with him and Tex when he was in info-gathering mode. Boras had some very complimentary things to say about Cashman.
Still reminds me of Paul Reubens, though.
Spurs are doing their usual, saving their bullets for the playoffs.
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Finally a person that knows basketball. Thanks MaineYankee for clearing that up for mel. Let me guess what mels response would be. When your that old you no longer have many bullets to shoot. Funny mel. Funny. Messed up.
Did Cash really need a 4:30 press conference to announce he traded Bruney to the Nationals?
Seems like a waste of time, no He could be using that time to talk to the Jays or Tigers.
Lets go Yankees. Cameron was better Melky. not any more. defensivley yes, not with the bat.
not a presser. just meeting with the media. save the presser for Doc.
Bruney talked all of Spring Training last year how he wanted to be a closer and was already thinking about his next contract.
Well, now he’ll get a chance to bee a primary part of the Nats bullpen, in the weak NL, and he is a FA next year… so looks like he will get what he wants.
Mike
December 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Did Cash really need a 4:30 press conference to announce he traded Bruney to the Nationals?
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LOL
Mike Ri,
Cameron was absolutely better with the bat than Melky.The only offensive statistic Melky is superior at is AVG and that is not important at all considering the huge gap in all the other more important offensive statistics.
Cameron replacing Melky is fine.
Cameron replacing Damon is not.
Cardinals are meeting with Brad Penny’s agent.
Orioles to meet with Aroldis Chapman agent
I knew he wasn’t the pitching coach anymore but I thought he was an organizational advisor – sort of their Nardi Contreras.
hmmm…. not that I’m aware of.
I know that he lives in the Seattle area (Issaquah) is in remission from cancer. Last I heard of him in a baseball capacity was bullpen coach for the USA WBC team…
Nardi, now there’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile.
Player A:
Career .250 BA, .340 OBP .450 SLG
458 K over the last three seasons
Player B:
Career .286 BA, .360 OBP .425 SLG
161 K over the last three seasons
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I take Player B over Player A
A is Cameron (who given his high K numbers and low OBP can only bat in the 9 spot really) and B is DeJesus who, given his low K numbers and good OBP and decent SLG would be a good fit batting behind Derek in the 2 spot.
S.o.S.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Spurs are doing their usual, saving their bullets for the playoffs.
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Finally a person that knows basketball. Thanks MaineYankee for clearing that up for mel. Let me guess what mels response would be. When your that old you no longer have many bullets to shoot. Funny mel. Funny. Messed up.
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Even though I’m a Celtic fan I’ve always liked how the Spurs play the game. Always like Robinson as a player. To bad sound fundamentals are boring to the casual fan.
Chip. Melky over BOTH of them. plus, Cameron is a FA and deJesus would require a trade .
I would, in a second, sign Cameron to replace Melky as the everyday CF – that said, I still need to get a LF and number 2 hitter to replace Damon (hence DeJesus)
“NYY won’t make any FA signings official until after the Winter Meetings. They never do. It keeps spots open on the 40 man roster open until after the Rule 5 Draft. Any trades will most likely be 2-3 for one type trades.”
Yep, I said the same thing this morning except for that type of trade which is probably going to happen.
lol @ both MY and S.o.S.
I make a joke about our lineup up maybe being “good” enough to make it out of the first round and you both thought I was taking a crack at the Spurs.
Chip. Melky over BOTH of them. plus, Cameron is a FA and deJesus would require a trade .
That was a joke right? You were trying to make me laugh?
Melky Cabrera is able to exist in this lineup because of how good the players around him are. You don’t need Melky to do anything other than be average because he bats 9 and you’ve got really good hitters around him in the lineup. In 2008 we saw what happens to Melky when you count on Melky to actually contribute.
He’s a very nice fourth outfielder, but let’s not compare him favorably to DeJesus or Cameron.
Lets go Yanks.
Cameron is a strike out machine. Melky and Cameron put up similar numbers. Cameron has a little extra pop.. NOT MUCH.
lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Cameron is much better than Melky both offensively and defensively. It is really not even close
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Cameron was at one time a very good ball player. But i think now it is at least arguable that Melky is comparable. He’s also 10 years younger, and costs exponentially less.
2009:
Melky: 274/336/416 59 SO 49 BB
Cameron: 250/342/452 156 SO 75 BB
Cameron’s SO’s are a major liability. He’s aging, so there’s no telling if his range will stay as is. And he’s a righty, so cant take advantage of the porch like melky.
I don’t see the rationale in paying for Cameron. Rather put that money toward something else. Anyone else with me?
SoS:
It doesn’t matter what Kyle’s biological age was when he went back in time. He was an adult of X age in whatever Y year it was, gets sent back in time (while his biological age is still the same), and gets Sarah Connor pregnant. As long as he had the physical maturity to reproduce, it works.
The real tricky part of backwards time travel is the grandfather paradox variant; the fact that John had to send someone back at all to father him.
Cameron really isin’t a good player. Strikeouts kill rallies and he hits .250
Cash is kidding if he thinks he will replace Damon’s production. Thankfully, it is probably a smokescreen. Cashmooney is too smart to think Cameron is a replacement for Damon.
Cameron replacing Melky would be a good idea, not our #2 hitter.
I would, in a second, sign Cameron to replace Melky as the everyday CF – that said, I still need to get a LF and number 2 hitter to replace Damon (hence DeJesus)
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yep, in the quest to save money, why not ditch the good player making 1.4 million for the FA who will likely require 3 times that.
makes lots of sense..
Bruney could probably be the closer for the nationals next year. If he pitches well they would probably trade him to a contender at the deadline.
The yanks also now have Gaudin in the bullpen. He did a nice job. And it looks like Melancon has a real good shot at making the team out of spring training.
Btw, im not saying cameron isn’t good. He is. i just dont think he’s worth the investment for the yankees right now.
I feel sorry for anyone wanting to be the Yankees closer,who can replace Mariano Rivera? Robertson looks good!
And you’re both wrong. The Spurs haven’t been saving anything. This is not part of the plan. They’ve had injuries to each of the Big 3 at some point of the season, no? And they’re probably assimilating new personnel into the offense?
I’m not making cracks at the Spurs, I respect them and Popovich way too much. I was just teasing S.o.S the last time because he declared they would be the champs. But father time and injuries may get in the way.
Chip
Melky Cabrera is able to exist in this lineup because of how good the players around him are. You don’t need Melky to do anything other than be average because he bats 9 and you’ve got really good hitters around him in the lineup. In 2008 we saw what happens to Melky when you count on Melky to actually contribute.
= Yeah because Mike Cameron of Desjesus could carry a team on there own. Of course you put any AVERAGE player in the Yankees lineup they’ll put up bigger numbers.
Melky is younger and cheaper. Exactly what Cash wants
“Bruney could probably be the closer for the nationals next year.”
Hard to imagine he doesn’t get a shot.
I’d rather have Melky than Cameron
7 extra HRs is not worth the fact that Cameron strikeouts like 100 more times than Melky, and will hit about .20 points lower than Melky too.
The obsession with Cameron needs to stop.
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We know how you Laker fans think.
I don’t understand all the sudden love for Bruney. The guy walked way too many people for a late game reliever.
Happy trails Bruney, I won’t miss ya.
yep, in the quest to save money, why not ditch the good player making 1.4 million for the FA who will likely require 3 times that.
My quest isn’t just to save money, it’s to also get better.
But even so, let’s talk about the money.
If the Yankees were to bring in DeJesus to replace Damon that drops the salary in LF from 13 mil to 5 mil – saving the Yankees 8 mil. You think Cameron would cost more than that?
So for the same money the Yankees paid Johnny in 2009 they could have two players in 2010. Thus no increase in payroll.
SoS:
Whoops, I was thinking of the wrong paradox. Terminator is about predestination paradox, not the grandfather paradox, sorry.
I am not going to get into an argument about Melky and Cameron because there is really no point. Cameron is a much better CF than Melky. Cameron in fact is one of the 5 best CF in baseball RIGHT NOW. Melky is a 4th OF.
Last year Cameron was worth about 4 times as much as Melky.
Cameron.
1. Older
2. More $$
3. Lower Average
unless i missed something, these are the exact opposite of what cashman wants.
mel,
When its meant to be, its meant to be. Red Wings went to the finals this year. Yanks won it all. Longhorns are in the championship game. Colts undefeated. All thats left is my Spurs to make it to the finals. Its a good year in sports for me. Thats for sure. Gotta go. We’ll continue this later.
Melky does not kill the yankees. he’s fine for who he is and what he does.
to get dejesus you NEED TO TRADE PEOPLE!!!
you keep leaving that out. KC isnt just going tyo hand him over. Melky is cheap and good enough, or Cameron can be bought without losing players.
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Thanks. Its making more sense now. I just cant believe they didnt use protection at that young age.
“Last year Cameron was worth about 4 times as much as Melky.”
Actually, 2 and a half times if we’re to believe Fangraphs.
Cameron is old and a K machine.
Yeah because Mike Cameron of Desjesus could carry a team on there own. Of course you put any AVERAGE player in the Yankees lineup they’ll put up bigger numbers.
Not saying they could carry a team.
Again, I like DeJesus because I think he’s a perfect replacement to Damon both in LF and in the number 2 spot in the batting order.
So it’s really a question of Cameron vs. Melky in CF – and first of all, I would take Austin Jackson over both of them and believe that if the Yankees do upgrade LF then Jackson will get the chance to compete for CF this spring training.
Anyway, here’s why I take Cameron over Melky. While Melky has a very good arm, Cameron is the better fielder. Yes, he strikes out a lot, but I don’t have to worry about him having the brain cramps that Melky sometimes gets.
Melky had a very exciting year last year – let’s not go fooling ourselves into thinking he’s something he’s not.
Cameron in fact is one of the 5 best CF in baseball RIGHT NOW.
i’m going to leave that one alone
and i love this, melky is a 4th outfielder crap.
melky .274/13/68
cameron . 250/24/70
WOW, two more whole RBIs, and hitting higher in the lineup too.
There is a reason Cameron has been on 6 teams in his career and that is his crappy averages and crappy on base percentages. and he is a righty and melky can switch hit.
All this Melky Cameron talk is great…but I’d rather talk about Jackson and Gardner. I agree that Cameron is on his down side, I’d rather see Gardner (with his speed and defense) be given a full shot with Jackson waiting for his chance…
Gardner got a chance. He came to the season as the starter and sucked.
Tigers looking for young pitching for Edwin Jackson,ays Heyman.
Twiter Jorge Arangure,hearing Aroldis Chspman mightget more than $20MM.Perhaps not even that.May get more than the $13.1MM
given Strasburg.
Melky must have stolen Chip’s wallet.
Speaking of which, if you’re ever eating at the Indianapolis Marriott, there’s a menu option called “The Best Chicken Sandwich.” It should be re-branded as “The Perfectly Acceptable Chicken Sandwich.”
I love it lol
Bottom line, Cameron might only make the yankees a little better (defensively). And all those strikeouts ARE going to hurt. I dont think it’s worth the price of paying him, if Melky’s just going to be sitting there.
I disagree completely about Mike Cameron becuase he is a payroll hit. He strikes out a lot and he’s on the decline. I’ll take Melky’s brain cramps and save myself $20 million.
By signing Cameron you are also telling Austin Jackson that he’s not in the plans anytime soon. Where I believe, if we can keep him after trading for Halladay, he could start in CF.
If we can’t keep him, then trade for Granderson, at least he is younger, stronger, and faster. Most importantly, Detroit needs to trade him since they’re broke.
prospect(s) and cash to tigers for granderson/jackson
flip granderson/jackson cash and 1 more well regarded prospect to toronto for halladay (then 3+ year extension)
sign damon 2/20M
it’s just too easy…
jorge arangure: Am hearing it’s quite possible Aroldis Chapman might not get more than $20 million. Perhaps not even that much.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4717538
Just think what you’ll be missing — you won’t have Bruney to kick around, anymore
Chad, Sam anyone over at Lohud..
can we put a filter on the names:
1) David DeJesus
2) Brad Hawpe
3) Rick Ankiel
4) Randy Winn
5) Mike Cameron
6) Adam Dunn
and if he doesn’t stop suggesting these players come to the yankees, please put a filter on the name chip ..
just kidding chip but you’ve got to stop with these players – we get it you like them but they are barely average players – or are too old – its nice to save money but not at the expense of finishing in 3rd place…
pick 6 other players and bang us over the head with those for the next 4 weeks..
to get dejesus you NEED TO TRADE PEOPLE!!!
Ok, so you trade people. I would gladly give them Kennedy and Melky for DeJesus. I don’t think it would take that much though.
I think the Yankees could probably get DeJesus for Melky and a AA pitcher like McAllister or for Kennedy and a hitter like Colin Curtis or Kevin Russo or Abe Almonte.
There are two parts to having a deep farm system. Some players are brought up to fill spots on the roster and others are dealt to fill needs.
Cameron on a 1 yr deal would be fine. Austin Jackson would benefit from another year in AAA.
on that espn “chat” link I posted earlier, Edes has some interesting things there in addition to Arangue’s updates about Chapman.
CB, if you’re out there anywhere, I have some good news. I was able to trade my “I’m a Bruney Believer” pin for one that says “I Believe in a Player to be Named Later”.
Hurry, these deals won’t last.
I will never understand why some Yankee fans want Cashman to pick up these subpar players. Ankiel, Winn, Church, etc will never be starters on a championship team.
This player better be good, Bruney had/has a lot of potential.
beantown signs Scott Atchison,reliver as per Peteabe
And what if Jackson is ready some time this season. What do you do with Cameron and that contract?
just kidding chip but you’ve got to stop with these players – we get it you like them but they are barely average players – or are too old – its nice to save money but not at the expense of finishing in 3rd place
Sab,
First of all I didn’t want to have this discussion again – scroll up and check it out I was asked my opinion about LF options other than Marlon flippin Byrd.
Second, Cameron was someone else’s argument – I was just responding to him being better than Melky.
If people are going to keep bringing up boneheaded ideas like dealing for Halladay and Granderson I’m going to keep bringing up much more level-headed ideas.
Just looked at my Yankees calendar for 2010, and Bruney is featured for the month of October. Probably not the wisest choice. lol
Chip-I completely agree with you on DeJesus. He is quite good defensively and would be a perfect no. 2 hitter. Plus, his power would increase away from Kauffman Stadium. All in all he is as good as Damon, younger and cheaper. I believe he would cost a lot less in players than Granderson, and he can hit LHPs.
tex’s friend: Gardners numbers were MUCH better when he came back and his overall numbers were pretty good for a rookie. 270BA, 345OBP, 20+ steals and pretty much the best center field play we’ve seen here in quite some time.
If you are looking for somewhere to eat in Indianapolis, go to Shapiro’s Deli on the corner of Meridian & McCarty. It has the best corned beef this side of the Carnegie Deli, and the best Cheesecake I’ve ever had, period (and I have lived in both New York and Chicago).
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TEX’s friend December 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Gardner got a chance. He came to the season as the starter and sucked.
Gardner only sucked for one month! After that he came back and he was GREAT!
He was the best Outfielder until he broke his finger!
“Just think what you’ll be missing — you won’t have Bruney to kick around, anymore
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Thumbs up for the Nixon ’62 reference.
flip edwin jackson to toronto and get halladay ! now thats good
So we’ve learned Cameron is 2.5 times more valuable than Melky but costs 5 times more than him and people think he should be a Yankee.
I still don’t understand the new math.
Gardner is the best!
Remember that play at the plate against the Twins?? against any other Catcher he would have stolen HOME!
“prospect(s) and cash to tigers for granderson/jackson
flip granderson/jackson cash and 1 more well regarded prospect to toronto for halladay (then 3+ year extension)
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I like it but keep granderson and trade Jackson, Austin Romine (Toronto is looking for a catching prospect) and a high-end minor league pitching prospect (IPK or Zach McAllister) for Halladay.
If you like Granderson after this year, keep him and move Swisher or Melky next year.
Chip, how is trading for Halladay a boneheaded idea.. Oh yea it may Include losing Joba.. I forgot jobamania was alive and well brother…
CRAZY Rumor going around .. Mets acquire Edwin Jackson.
MLB TRADE RUMORS >COM
Gardner only sucked for one month! After that he came back and he was GREAT!
He was the best Outfielder until he broke his finger!
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In what world was he great?
If staring at fastballs down the middle and popping up in the infield is great, then yes he was great.
Ankiel, Winn, Church, etc will never be starters on a championship team.
Not for nothing, but Ankiel was a starter for the Cards when they played Boston in the WS
Winn was a starter on that Mariners team that lost to the Yankees in the ALCS
and if you put Melky on any of their teams in place of them, I don’t imagine Melky would be shining up any rings either.
Granderson is great EXCEPT when batting left handed against a left hander.
I cannot see the Yanks dealing with this major flaw.
I think it’ll be best if we don’t talk about Gardner.
Why is Detroit so intent on moving Edwin Jackson? I thought his was “fixed”? Trying to sell high?
“So we’ve learned Cameron is 2.5 times more valuable than Melky but costs 5 times more than him and people think he should be a Yankee.”
Melky will get a bump in arb this year, but your point remains. He’s worth keeping, if for no other reason, he’s the only everyday player on the team who will be a little inexpensive. There’s value in that when you’re on a budget and carrying so many large salaries.
“Gardner only sucked for one month! After that he came back and he was GREAT!
He was the best Outfielder until he broke his finger!”
Really?!
Gardner can barely get the ball out of the infield in BP. He still hasn’t learned that hitting the ball on the ground is his best shot, but he keep strying to pop the ball up. Amazing! He’s a good backup outfielder, but shouldn’t be starting.
: Cryptic tweet from Ed Price of AOL FanHouse: “Rumor that Mets acquire Jackson.”
ill agree gardner may be the best outfielder on the team, but no thanks to his bat in the lineup.
I can honestly say the Indianapolis Marriot is not on the list of places I want to see before I die
Chip, I like Dejesus for left too. But i don’t know if im willing to give up as much as you’re suggesting. He is pretty good though…
I trust if Cash is interested he wont overpay. Especially if the Royals arent looking forward to paying him.
“Why is Detroit so intent on moving Edwin Jackson? I thought his was “fixed”? Trying to sell high?”
That’s probably a part of it. Arbitration is another part. He stands to jump to maybe $5M this year.
Can you describe the chicken sandwich sir?
Chapman hasn’t really worked out for anybody has he?
Chip, how is trading for Halladay a boneheaded idea.. Oh yea it may Include losing Joba.. I forgot jobamania was alive and well brother…
I didn’t say it was – I said trading for Granderson and Halladay was a boneheaded suggestion.
That said, trading for Halladay only makes sense if you completely discount Cashman’s recent history. He didn’t give up top prospects for Johan when he had Moose and Wang as his two best starters rotation, why would he give them up for Halladay when he’s got CC and AJ as his top two?
Austinmac -
I agree completely – Granderson’s HR make him a sexy target, but a lot of people are counting on the magic abilities of Kevin Long to approve on that .200 BA against LHP.
“Remember that play at the plate against the Twins?? against any other Catcher he would have stolen HOME!”
I DO remember that. I also remember other things he did this year too though or rather didn’t do.
I don’t know how many of you are both intelligent enough and savvy enough to look at the Toronto roster and break down their organizational needs — few, I would reckon — but if you do so you’ll see a particularly glaring hole: they need a player to be named later. And the Yankees happen to have one!
Advantage: New York Yankees.
do the mets even have anything to offer detroit for jackson?
“Rumor that Mets acquire Jackson.”
What could Cashman get back in return for Reggie?
squidward,
And Detroit didn’t know this when they traded for him a year ago?
Of course Detroit as a city took a hit.
Could they be shedding payroll? Granderson and Cabrera next?
…How many assists did Melky have ?
How many errors ?
How many fly balls over his head ?
How many “Ball 4′s oand Ball 5′s” did he constantly swing at (and miss because they were either in the dirt or pretty cloase to the on-deck-circle) ?
If he has ANY value – why are there no reports that anyone would like the Yankees to trade him to them ?
Lotta questions…..unfortunately – lotta sad answers.
While I’ll agree the guy will never have homerun power, Gardner is a good option as a number 9 hitter, plus with the runs he saves in the outfield he is a more attractive option than Melky is. I think we know what Melky’s ceiling is, we don’t know that about Gardner yet.
its just a rumor.. But i assume that takes the Mets out of the Lackey ,Halladay “sweepstakes”. I would think Granderson would be the next to go
I think they’re selling high. $5M is peanuts for a middle of the rotation starter. Unless they have some more Porcello’s ready to step up.
Chip is down on Melky like Frank Grimes was down on Homer Simpson at the Nuclear Plant, yet many at the plant could not understand the criticism toward Homer as Homer was beloved by his team / co-workers.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
December 7th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I will never understand why some Yankee fans want Cashman to pick up these subpar players. Ankiel, Winn, Church, etc will never be starters on a championship team.
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Umm, Patrick, would you have said the same before we acquired Marte, Nady, Molina, Bruney, Swisher, Hairston, or Hinske?
Some are starters, not spectacular, but solid starters, and the rest are role players. You always need role players ALONG with stars.
Erica – always OPPC
December 7th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I can honestly say the Indianapolis Marriot is not on the list of places I want to see before I die
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Come on Erica. Europe has nothing on the Indianapolis Marriot.
Chip, I’ve said this before. Cashman has said before that one of the reasons he didn’t trade for Santana was because the Yankees were more than just one piece away from winning a title at that point anyway . That isn’t the case now and also we know more what joba and Hughes are at this point.
“And Detroit didn’t know this when they traded for him a year ago?”
Sure they did. But the season he ended up having probably helps pump up that arb number beyond what they have imagined. Add that to the 2nd half decline (2.52 ERA in the 1st half, 5.07 in the 2nd) and you try to move while he has some value.
Garnder sucks?
I have watched every Yankee Game in 2009! Ok I agree that he was stairing a lot a middle in Fastballs! But when he was healthy he gave Joe so many options on base and won some games by him self!
GO GARDI!
Chris Carlin and others now saying Jackson to the Mets not true.
Its not about HR power with Garner. He’s fast but refuses to hit the ball on the ground. It is possible to beat out grounders, not pop ups.
And Melky is a year younger than Gardner, we don’t know his ceiling yet. We can also move Melky to RF and his arm would make the transition, where Gardner cannot. Remember, our CF of the future is in AAA, as of right now.
Nick in SF in Carlotta, CA December 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I don’t know how many of you are both intelligent enough and savvy enough to look at the Toronto roster and break down their organizational needs — few, I would reckon — but if you do so you’ll see a particularly glaring hole: they need a player to be named later. And the Yankees happen to have one!
Advantage: New York Yankees.
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I have to admit, when i was first reading this, i was offended. But then i got to the end. Good one Nick.
Im sorry but Gardner is not a starter. Let it go.
Sorry Met fans
Ken Davidoff of Newsday tweets that a Mets official denied a Jackson trade
A Met fan probably started that rumor.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
“Remember that play at the plate against the Twins?? against any other Catcher he (Gardner) would have stolen HOME!”
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Now we’re adding to Gardner’s legend and value by what he almost could have done, if….?
Twitter, Jorge Arangure would be shocked/floored.astounded if Aroldis signs with anyone else besides Yankees!
“A Met fan probably started that rumor.”
Nah! Not even a Mets fan would go to Indianapolis.
The Tigers are looking for ‘young pitching’ in a trade for Jackson. If they wanted ‘no pitching’, then the mets would have been a good fit.
jorgearangure: Also I’d be shocked/floored/astounded if Chapman signed with anyone but the #redsox or #Yankees
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A 2-for-1 with the Hendricks Bros?
Jackson would’ve been a savvy move for the mets. I think he’d do better in the NL.
DARN YOU LOHUD BLOG!!! I’m a first year law student in the middle of finals and you are an undeniable procrastination force….
That’s funny nick..
So the Mets supposedly got Burrell and Jackson… only to be shot down.
Wow, The Tweeters today are being so cruel to the Mets fans LOL
Well Corey, Melky is no longer a center fielder and his bat doesn’t translate into right field. I’d rather go defense in center with a good OBP guy in Yankee stadium. I’m not saying Garnder is the answer, he is just the best answer over a long season for who is on our roster right now.
Erin
December 7th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Erica – always OPPC
December 7th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I can honestly say the Indianapolis Marriot is not on the list of places I want to see before I die
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Come on Erica. Europe has nothing on the Indianapolis Marriot.
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LOL… Maybe next year’s vacation. Although, now that I know the chicken sandwich there is not “the best ever” I have lost all reasoning to go
studying is overrated , 1/2 of it won’t be on your test anyway.
“Twitter, Jorge Arangure would be shocked/floored.astounded if Aroldis signs with anyone else besides Yankees!”
Not exactly what he said.
So the Mets had the coolest rumor of the day (Edwin Jackson) attached to them but apparently it was just the punchline to a joke overheard in the lobby.
Wow, a Yankees fan who likes the Longhorns, the Colts and the Red Wings.
More confirmation that many of my fellow “fans” are just front runners.
They flashed the following about Melky on the scoreboard in Los Angeles of Anaheim during the ALCS:
“Batted .317 in the #9 spot this season, highest in the ML. (min. 150 PA)”
Melky is not without value in the Yankee lineup.
Holliday Bay might be out of Mets price range,so they are pursuing Angels Rivera,Nats Willingham.says jcrasnick.
Angels will use Joe Saunders as trafe bait for Halladay,only if he agrees to long term deal,say heyman.
“Jackson would’ve been a savvy move for the mets. I think he’d do better in the NL.”
Who wouldn’t?
We love Melky ! So does Cano, A-Rod, Molina etc etc. The Melk man delivers! Remember that big hit off of Papelbon?
I am a Florida (College FB), UNC (College BB), Patriots, Lakers, Yankees, Red Wings fan.
Nick in SF in Carlotta, CA
December 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
They flashed the following about Melky on the scoreboard in Los Angeles of Anaheim during the ALCS:
“Batted .317 in the #9 spot this season, highest in the ML. (min. 150 PA)”
Melky is not without value in the Yankee lineup.
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impressive – i had no idea
I dont know if it has been said. But someone suggested Joba take number 99. He only will wear a number that adds up to 8. I cant remember why but i remember seeing it on a show the Yes Network did. About his past he wears it for some kid he knew.
MLB says Halladay hot topic at meetings.
Ankiel was no where near the 2 Cardinal WS teams. He didn’t play in any postseasons other than 2000 and 2009. Ankiel is a bust. He was a great pitcher until his mind unravelled, and he was a decent positional player until he got figured out.
The only area he provides good defense is left, and he doesn’t hit enough for a corner.
What’s up with these Mets rumors? Burrell, Jackson – are they just to get the Met fans excited (only for them to suffer a letdown that it’s not true)? Hmm, seems like September all over again.
As for Gardner you cant steal home on a ball that was hit into play.
There are more than a few people that need to get over the idea that Gardner is some great wunderkind in center field. He’s not. He has no arm to speak of…he takes bad routes and about his only value in center field is that he can run. It doesn’t make up for bad jumps/judgement. On offense, his only real value is, again, his speed. The problem is, he doesn’t used it as a weapon. He’d be fine if he could do what suzuki does and hit the ball on the ground an run. He should be getting 55-60 infield hits a year, based on 600 at bats. That means that he should have gotten about 25 this year. He had 16.
Aaron
December 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I dont know if it has been said. But someone suggested Joba take number 99. He only will wear a number that adds up to 8. I cant remember why but i remember seeing it on a show the Yes Network did. About his past he wears it for some kid he knew.
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Interesting. I had never heard that before.
Melky didn’t even pass his own requirement for PA’s
He got 132 PA’s batting 9th. 227 batting 8th and 142 batting 7th. His highest OBP was batting 6th with 40+ PAs.
His worst was the one where he got the most PA’s, 8th.
Yea I cant remember who it was I just remember a family on there saying they were at a game in Chicago and saw that 62 was pitching for the Yankees and knew it had to be Joba cause obviously 6+2 is 8.
I think that Gardner could be a solid Major League starter. He has a great eye but is to patient. if he could take a slightly more aggressive approach he could hit .290 or higher.
I HATE Twitter
Gardner=Bubba Crosby.
Will probably suffer the same fate.
Nick in SF- Maybe Cashman could stock on PTBNLs and acquire one or two players with false ages and identities. Then, the new rube in Toronto would surely hand us Halladay. And you say we’re not intelligent.
Cameron is not an adequate replacement for Damon.
That Heyman tweet makes no sense. Isn’t Joe Saunders following this? Why would he want to sign an extension so that he can be trade bait and possibly go to Toronto?
I guess that means the Angels are all in on Doc?
Squid, if that’s not Arangues said about Chapman, then what was the exact wording? Thanks
It’s exactly what he said:
jorge arangure: Also I’d be shocked/floored/astounded if Chapman signed with anyone but the #redsox or #Yankees
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4717538
BloggingBombers I’m hearing whispers that the player to be named later in the Brian Bruney deal could be the Nationals’ first pick in the Rule 5 Draft.
3 minutes ago from web
It was un-Yankee-like to issue #99 to Bruney. Always questioned that.
Well, that said, at least Yankee IQ goes up with Bruney gone.
Good arm, bad head, old story. Good move.
Erin
December 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Aaron
December 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I dont know if it has been said. But someone suggested Joba take number 99. He only will wear a number that adds up to 8. I cant remember why but i remember seeing it on a show the Yes Network did. About his past he wears it for some kid he knew.
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Its a tribute to a friend of his who died. His friend’s number was 8
Well Corey, Melky is no longer a center fielder and his bat doesn’t translate into right field. I’d rather go defense in center with a good OBP guy in Yankee stadium. I’m not saying Garnder is the answer, he is just the best answer over a long season for who is on our roster right now
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Really because last time i checked, melky hasnt been traded and he was the CF at the end of the year. Many people dont think A-Jax will be ready in April, if he isnt traded for halladay. Melky can play all 3 fields. Gardner cannot. What good exactly is gardner’s base speed if he doesnt get on base?
I’m curious to see what the Tigers get for Edwin Jackson.
Heyman meant that the Angels will be in on Doc if they can sign him to an extension… and use Saunders as trade bait.
Jerkface, are you questioning the scoreboard stat staff of the Los Angeles of Anaheim Angels???? That’s serious stuff.
I do have a picture of the posted ‘stat’, but I can’t post it right now.
This offseason is deja-vu all over again.
Will Pettitte sign?
Would you rather have Cameron or Melky?
Is Gardner better than Melky?
We should get David DeJesus.
Haven’t heard Cano for Kemp in a while…
Trade Cano for Kemp?
TylerKepner Agent Alan Nero said he hasn’t heard from NYY on whether they will tender Chien-Ming Wang a contract. Says Wang “optimistic” for opening day
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OPtimistic for opening day? wasnt he supposed to be out until august?
dont know if i am buying this one. dont even think boras can spin it so people believe wang will be ready in april.
We all knew that the Angels would be the favorites for Doc if he agrees to go there. Olney seems to think that Halladay has not ruled out training in AZ. Angels were on his list too, so clearly that situation is appealing for him.
Someone in the media needs to find out if Halladay is willing to sign long term with LAA. We all know he prefers Florida, but no one seems to know if he’s is 100% against a long term deal with an Arizona ST team.
yes i know boras isnt wangs agent, but he is the best spin artist so i chose to go with him.
Erica – always OPPC
December 7th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Its a tribute to a friend of his who died. His friend’s number was 8
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Thanks Erica!
Nick,
Point taken. But this particular pitcher could potentially be a relatively inexpensive #2 behind Santana.
Certainly much cheaper than, though not as good as, Lackey.
Chapman at 45 – 50 mil was insane. But at 15 – 20 mil he’s well worth the gamble. Get it done.
Also, Buster said the Tigers asking price for Jackson is very high right now. Just say no, very overrated.
“We all know he prefers Florida,”
We know this in much the way we knew that Sabathia preferred the left coast.
The poster that posted about Chapman sort of missed an important detail…..he wrote that Arangues said that he’d be shocked if Chapman wasn’t a Yankee, not if he wasn’t a Sox or a Yankee.
@ Country Club: damon left out the “Boston” part of that tweet.
Rishi
December 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Nick in SF in Carlotta, CA
December 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
They flashed the following about Melky on the scoreboard in Los Angeles of Anaheim during the ALCS:
“Batted .317 in the #9 spot this season, highest in the ML. (min. 150 PA)”
Melky is not without value in the Yankee lineup.
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impressive – i had no idea
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Wow !!!
Does that actually include all the NL Pitchers ?!?!
Ever wonder what he batted in the Minnesota series…or the World Series ???
Yes – when the Yanks were ahead by 8-10 runs he went 3-4 or something and had a good series vs. LAA…
It truly is the “Blind Squirrel” rule with our little Melkman.
Peteabe tweets Francona to meet with reporters in 10 mins.What’s up with that?
Could be about the signing of reliever Scott Atchison.
Rishi- BloggingBombers I’m hearing whispers that the player to be named later in the Brian Bruney deal could be the Nationals’ first pick in the Rule 5 Draft.
3 minutes ago from web
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Anyone Know what players are available that could be of use to us in the Rule 5 draft if this is the case?
Media meeting with Francona?
Is he forfeiting the season already?
Peteabe tweets Francona to meet with reporters in 10 mins.What’s up with that?
Could be about the signing of reliever Scott Atchison
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Can’t wait to hear Gammons laster talk about what a fantastic deal this was and how this put them ahead of the yankees for 2010.
m, I could very easily be wrong about this, but I think the $5M number someone floated for Jackson was for the raise he might get, not his base salary.
He would be a good addition to their rotation, sure, but the savviness of the aquisition would have to be weighed by the price they paid to get him. But if you subscribe to the POV that the Mets’ cupboards are bare, any trade they make for Jackson would be a savvy one.
The GMs meet with reporters every day – Cashman is up at 5 pm.
Say what you want about Melky (and and I know you all will), but he *was* all over that “walk-off win” montage…there is something to be said about that.
Squid, that was a completely different situation. CC was already a free agent – Doc is 1 year away from going to the team he wants to go to. I still would like an explanation why he would, 1 year away from full control of the situation, go to a team he’s not necessarily enamored (for the rest of his career, no less) just so he can get out of Toronto ASAP.
This seems like an odd trade. Could it be that they are clearing a roster spot for a more significant trade? Sounds like it to me.
GordonEdes: Tito says Jed Lowrie is due to be examined in Boston on Friday. He also said Jason Varitek was as “upbeat as I’ve seen him in long time.”
Monday December 7, 2009 3:41 GordonEdes
3:42 GordonEdes: Daisuke Matsuzaka will be training in Ariz. for three weeks, Francona said, and shot down any interest in Hideki Matsui. “Can’t have 2 DH.’
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Edes is a chatty cat today. Of course Varitek is upbeat. He’s not unemployed!
All the gm’s are meeting with the media. They just had ozzie & tito.
I can see Edwin Jackson going back to the Dodgers.
If the PTBNL is the Nats’ Rule 5 pick, can we select one of our own Rule 5-eligible players?
MLBTR is saying we are still in on Nick Johnson. I always liked him but it seems to me like signing him would just mean trading prospects for his replacement once he gets hurt a few weeks into the season. And he cant play any outfield so he would just block the DH spot. Id Pass on him.
Good luck to Brian Bruney.
I have to say, the champagne over the owner’s head was not his best move, and he made a few bad ones this season, most notably after the champagne move, the open mouth/insert foot thing regarding KRod.
I think he’ll do well in Washington and the Yankees will move on.
This is one of those moves that I am totally neutral on – if they kept him, fine; if they traded him, fine, too.
You guys are correct. i didnt see that he left the Sox part out of it. At least I posted the full comment ; )….and gave a link.
Im actually going to have to say it probly wasnt for the Rule 5 Pick because whoever we pick would have to be added to the 40 man roster. So it wouldnt have cleared a spot anyway. unless it was just a way to keep Colin Curtis. IDK.
Who did the SUX sign today, Scott Aldeman/aikman character. Wooo hooo i guess this will make the Yankees sweat nervously.
Would be appreciated if someone could clarify that for me, Nick.
His salary was $2.2M in 2009.
Rishi
December 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The GMs meet with reporters every day – Cashman is up at 5 pm.
Say what you want about Melky (and and I know you all will), but he *was* all over that “walk-off win” montage…there is something to be said about that.
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April & May, sir – April & May.
Jason Varitek is upbeat, that means he must be sleeping with another news reporter.
“Doc is 1 year away from going to the team he wants to go to”
He could be a day away. He can’t dictate if he’s traded, but he can dictate where. Having that power is not different from dictating where you go as an FA. A deal with the Halos will apparently only happen if A) the Angels can negotiate an extension and B) if Halladay OK’s it. If Hallday doesn’t OK it and extend, we can then assume he has no desire to be left coast bound.
We don’t know if Doc’s interest in Florida is as strong as the media is saying it is. Again, all the buzz at this time last year was about how CC didn’t want to come East. Until him or his agent say something, it is all speculation what he will or won’t do.
UpState
December 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Rishi
December 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The GMs meet with reporters every day – Cashman is up at 5 pm.
Say what you want about Melky (and and I know you all will), but he *was* all over that “walk-off win” montage…there is something to be said about that.
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April & May, sir – April & May.
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Umm…I’m not a “sir”
and I didn’t realize those games didn’t count as much as games later on in the season…the beloved Captain has 0…what do you propose that says about him?
I don’t see why the Yanks would settle for the Nationals’ 5th round Rule 5 pick. That would be somewhere around the 80th to 100th rated career minor leaguer. That’s no return at all.
Well Francona’s gonna need ANOTHER DH if his current DH puts up horrible numbers like in the first half of last year.
So is we open up with CC and Roy, who gets the opening day start?
I love CC but i go with Roy because CC struggles in April and its always good to start with a win, although this year it didnt seem to matter.
Rishi,
Glad you clarified that yourself.
Walkoffs don’t say much about a player. Just that they had a clutch hit in a situation.
Can’t really use it to compare players. No one would say that Melky’s a better hitter or more clutch than Jeter.
Pedrhaps it’s Elijah Dukes- he’s a head case, the Nats want to move him, and he can play (limited) outfield, plus he has some pop in his bat. I think Bruney will be the Nats closer
m
December 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Rishi,
Glad you clarified that yourself.
Walkoffs don’t say much about a player. Just that they had a clutch hit in a situation.
Can’t really use it to compare players. No one would say that Melky’s a better hitter or more clutch than Jeter.
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I’m also not in the camp that thinks Gardner is better than Melky, fwiw.
“His salary was $2.2M in 2009.”
If that’s the case, then the $5M figure probably was the total salary after all, not the raise. That would seem to make him a good deal for the Tigers unless they’re just in sell-off mode.
That would make him too cheap for the Mets, though.
and I didn’t realize those games didn’t count as much as games later on in the season…the beloved Captain has 0…what do you propose that says about him
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melky is a part of this team. it kills me that people still attack him like he is a leper or something. He had a solid year. For anyone who says, ‘well it was just one year’. He has only played three seasons. There is no reason to think he wont continue to improve.
And he was hitting around .320 when he injured his wrist crashing into the CF wall in june or july.
So the PTBNL is usually someone on the DL right? But in this case it could just delaying the announcement until after the Rule 5 draft?
Seven teams are in on injury-prone on-base machine Nick Johnson, tweets ESPN’s Jayson Stark: the Mariners, Giants, Mets, Red Sox, Diamondbacks, Orioles, and Yankees. Stark says Johnson is high on Seattle’s first base shopping list. It’s been said that Johnson, 31, is seeking a two-year deal.
Rishi
December 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
UpState
December 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Rishi
December 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The GMs meet with reporters every day – Cashman is up at 5 pm.
Say what you want about Melky (and and I know you all will), but he *was* all over that “walk-off win” montage…there is something to be said about that.
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April & May, sir – April & May.
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Umm…I’m not a “sir”
and I didn’t realize those games didn’t count as much as games later on in the season…the beloved Captain has 0…what do you propose that says about him?
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The exact point….Jeter got none….and I truly hope, Ma’am, that you do not ever mention those two ballplayers in the same sentence….it was (and hopefully will continue) to be a fun event after Yankee walk-off wins !!!
PS – we won by about 8 full games if I remember…those April games were not critial in 2009.
My apologies, Ma’am !
tex’s friend
December 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
and I didn’t realize those games didn’t count as much as games later on in the season…the beloved Captain has 0…what do you propose that says about him
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melky is a part of this team. it kills me that people still attack him like he is a leper or something. He had a solid year. For anyone who says, ‘well it was just one year’. He has only played three seasons. There is no reason to think he wont continue to improve.
And he was hitting around .320 when he injured his wrist crashing into the CF wall in june or july.
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As it stands right now, Washington will have no picks in the Rule 5 draft.
Peteabe says Casey Kelly decides to pitch.
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He will pitch fulltime!
So who do the Yankees get in return for Bruney?
Yankees telling people they want to resolve Pettitte and Damon,before moving on to Matsui and other starting pitching options,tweets Jayson Stark.
We know Jayson!
Fanhouse says Tigers sorting through offers from 12 teams on Edwin Jackson,really?
Dejan_Kovacevic tweets Pirates made less than $11mm in profit
the last 2 yr.
I say and that’s with the corporate Welfare,and somebody needs to be fired!!
And those profits are after the owners pocketed their ‘bonuses’…
There was no sense in the Yankees possibly paying Bruney close to 2 million dollars. He was low on the totum poll to begin with. Its a roster space move. Wish Brian all the luck
I honestly DO NOT THINK the Yankees have any plans to keep whoever they might get from the Rule 5 draft….BUT…instead it would seem to make the most sense that they have a trade lined up to trade the drafted player in a larger 3rd party trade.
Thoughts?
From the top of my keyboard….
Swish