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A point-by-point plus what comes next?

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

First reaction: Trading for Curtis Granderson was a strong move by the Yankees. I’ve said before that I liked Granderson, but I understand there are those who think GM Brian Cashman screwed up. So let’s take the common criticisms one by one:

1. “He can’t hit lefties”: No doubt, Granderson’s lefty splits last year were bad. But for those who use this as the cornerstone of their argument, how about you take a guess at how often the average player faces a lefty pitcher in a given season?

Last year, the Yankees faced lefties in just about 30 percent of their plate appearances – to me, that’s hardly enough to use it as a determining factor, especially when a) you have a hitting coach who you ostensibly trust to improve your players; and b) you’re talking about a correctable skill.

Consider this: In 1993, the Yankees brought in an outfielder who had an OBP of .273 against LHP the previous season. By 1994, he had a .439 OBP against lefties. That player was Paul O’Neill.

2. “The Yankees gave up too much” But did they? Coke wasn’t a closer of the future, which means that – as a bullpen piece – he’s certainly expendable; and Kennedy, while certainly talented, wasn’t nearly on the same level as Hughes/Chamberlain and had irked some Yankee officials with his ego. So basically it comes down to how you feel about Austin Jackson and, as I’ve said before, when you’re talking about a team like the Yankees it’s almost always the right play to go with the established player over the player who is only potential.

Anyone who says they know what Jackson is going to be is lying. No one knows. Those who say the “best he could be is Curtis Granderson” don’t know that, just like those who say “he’ll be better than Granderson in three years” don’t know that either. All we do know is that RIGHT NOW Jackson is a player who has done very well in the minor leagues and Granderson is a player who has done very well in the major leagues. To me, that’s the part that makes this trade a steal – you traded a player who MAY be good for a player who IS good, and also happens to be young and economically friendly.

(By the way, it’s natural to compare Jackson and Granderson but the two aren’t similar players; Jackson has more speed, but also has yet to show anything close to the kind of power that Granderson has shown.)

3. “I’d rather have Johnny Damon”
This leads to the second part of the post — to me, getting Granderson doesn’t mean Johnny Damon is no longer an option for the Yankees at all.

Put it this way: The Yankees are hardly done dealing this winter. With Hughes/Joba/Montero still on the roster, they can still at least talk about Roy Halladay. And with Granderson in the fold, the Yankees can take a harder – and appropriate – line on Damon.

Scott Boras has said Damon has multi-year offers and this is the Yankees calling that bluff. If Damon would come back for one year (or at most two), then he gives the Yankees a DH who can play the OF on days when someone else needs to DH – or just what they’re looking for in that spot. If anything, the Granderson trade may affect Hideki Matsui’s chances of returning to the Yankees more than it does Damon’s.

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406 Responses to “A point-by-point plus what comes next?”

  1. jaybird December 8th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Right on Sam!!!!!!!

  2. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Bravo.

    You tell ‘em Sam!

  3. Erica December 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Point One: Curtis is a hottie!

    http://refrigeratorlogic.com/w.....re1004.jpg

  4. Chief of Staff December 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Well said! Another voice of reason! This was a no-brainer trade, period.

  5. AMS223 December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    joba, romine, mccallister, + anyone prospect outside of hughes and jesus
    for doc

  6. Erica December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I can remember the last time we had some one so dreamy

    http://legacydirect.files.word.....derson.jpg

  7. CountryClub December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Good post, Sam.

  8. Tom December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Couldn’t agree more, exactly what I’ve been saying

  9. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Matsui makes more sense than Damon because Matsui is a middle order hitter who can hit lefties and he’ll probably cost less money and possibly less years than Damon.

    Matsui’s splits against lefties balance out Granderson’s better.

  10. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Control yourself Erica!

  11. harrs44 December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Well said, Sam. I couldn’t agree more.

    So, we get Granderson for peanuts, AND we don’t have to listen to Red Sox cheerleader/apologist/fanboy Peter Gammons on ESPN next year? What a day to be a Yankees fan!

  12. JoeyA December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Great post Sam.

  13. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    yup, great trade, and the big three aren’t going anywhere.

  14. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    i like the o’neill reference. we discussed that earlier, however some people are too thickheaded to pay attention.

  15. CD December 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Erica December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I can remember the last time we had some one so dreamy

    http://legacydirect.files.word…..derson.jpg
    =====================================================

    How ’bout Thurman Munson?

  16. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    I like to think that Gammon’s saw this trade, threw up his hands and gave up on the Red Sox this year and decided to bolt from ESPN.

    I know that isn’t anywhere near the case but it’s fun to imagine.

  17. Al December 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Excellent post, Samuel.

  18. Dave December 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Matt Murton would be the perfect RH platoon partner for Curtis. But he signed with the Hanshin Tigres in Japan. Perhaps we could work out a trade with them to get Murton back to the states?

  19. Betsy December 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Boy, I have to say I’m shocked that about 85 % of the people on this board think this was a terrible trade

    I don’t have the link (will try to post it later), but apparently per Heyman, the Sox won’t give up Bucholz and/or Kelly.

    Anyone know if he said anything about the Yanks and whether they are still interested?

  20. Baseball Guy December 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    This is why I LOVE the Yankees. It’s always exciting. The season is exciting – the post season is exciting – the hot stove league is exciting.

    The Yankees go out and make big deals. They always look to better themselves.

    I’ve been a fan since 1977. I cannot remember a year when the Yankees didn’t have something exciting to look forward to because of trades/signings.

    Well, maybe 1982. Dave Collins? Dave Collins! “We’re going for speed…”

    All the deals didn’t work out… but that’s beside the point.

    Man, was I pumped about JACK CLARK in 1988.

    But, they always make it exciting.

    I LOVE this deal. LOVE IT!

    Granderson in CF makes the Yankees better today then they were yesterday.

    Coke & Kennedy were not in the plans.

    I agree with a lot of what has been said – who was the last prospect Cashman traded that turned out to be great somewhere else?

    I trust them entirely.

    A Fantastic Trade!

  21. stuart December 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    wither Damon or matsui for 1 yr….

    granderson is 28, good not great ballplayer. coke was a non factor going forward ie dunn and others replace him.
    ajax is the big question mark… Kennedy i think will be a productive player but he is a 5th type starter and the yanks minor leagues are in much better shape then it use to be.

    cashman with another good move…..

  22. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Sam,

    Outstanding post.

    You seem to get it. Something many in the media, when discussing this deal, and everything else involving the Yankees, don’t get.

    Johnny Damon has a 2 year, 20 million dollar offer from the Yankees. If he takes it, he’s back.

    If Scott thinks he can do better, now is the time to show Johnny he can.

    The offer isn’t staying on the table all winter.

    I suspect Andy will be next into the fold.

    At that point, the Yankees have to make a call as to whether to go after Halladay or go after another experienced starter (they will bring another one in, IMO) like Sheets.

    Either way, the Granderson deal is a coup for the Yankees.

  23. ANSKY December 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    So where does Curtis G bat?

  24. Scott Coulter December 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I think this trade is brilliant. With Andy P verbally committed this takes care of the OF no matter how it gets constructed, and could give us a chance for next year of Granderson in CF, Crawford in LF and Melky in RF where he truly belongs. I think this one is a winner all the way around!

  25. Jim Mason December 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    How can anyone be against this trade? Kennedy and Coke are serviceble, replaceable pitchers. Nothing special. Jackson will be lucky to be as good as Granderson in the majors. If he was a sure thing, the Yankees would never have traded him.

    and look at it this way – if he is the real thing, Detroit will be looking to dump him in a few years right when Granderson starts to decline.

  26. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    no.27
    December 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
    Granderson has some pretty serious home/road splits. Does anyone know if that is skewed by facing more lefties at home or was hitting in Detroit’s big ball park a big factor?

    —————————

    Detriot’s ball park was definitely a factor both on offense and defense for Grandy.

    Offensively he will not hit as many triples as he did in Detroit but he will certainly make up for that in HR. Of his 30 HR last year only 10 were at home. It also just is not his power. All of his statistics are much worse at home and you have to think that a ton of his fly balls at home that would be HR or doubles other places are just fly outs.

    Defensively CF is huge in Detroit which is probably why his UZR has been trending downward. Also it does not help that he has two atrocious OF next to him. With a lot less ground to cover and much better corner OF I bet he reverts back to one of the best CF defensively in the game next year.

  27. Tony in Albany December 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    love love love this trade…I agree with all of Sam’s points, most importantly how a team like the Yankees is making the right move when they trade a “top prospect” for an established player in his prime(at a bargain price given the Yankees payroll).

    Joel Sherman wrote an article on this potential trade about a month ago that I think summed things up very well. You should give it a read :

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....BAPI94rtSK

  28. ANSKY December 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    If Damon doesn’t take the 2/20 offer, do they then go for Matsui?

  29. Chris NY December 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    ” AND we don’t have to listen to Red Sox cheerleader/apologist/fanboy Peter Gammons on ESPN next year? What a day to be a Yankees fan!”

    Amen to that.

  30. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Johnny Damon has a 2 year, 20 million dollar offer from the Yankees.

    According to who?

  31. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Erica
    December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    I can remember the last time we had some one so dreamy

    http://legacydirect.files.word…..derson.jpg

    ************************
    Erica, keep them coming please!

    I feel guilty, I am getting no work done this afternoon. My boss will understand, right? LOL

  32. Jim Mason December 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I’m sorry, Cashman can’t that much credit. This is a salary dump. Not a brilliant piece of maneuvering.

  33. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    First, I like the deal. I really like the deal.

    However, Granderson’s splits are a serious issue.
    First, 30% of all ABs is A LOT of ABs. Especially when your OPS versus lefties in the 400′s.

    Second, the fact that Paul O’Neill improved against lefties does not mean Granderson will. I once drew to an inside straight, but that doesn’t mean I will again very often and I don’t recommend the strategy.

    It probably won’t hurt in the regular season. But in the playoffs, we will face good lefty starters and good lefty relievers.

    I say, get another OF who can hit lefties.

  34. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    SJ, have they made Andy an official offer yet?

  35. vin December 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Great summation, Sam.

    A fair trade will always sting both parties – this one hurts from a personnel standpoint, but it was definitely the right move.

  36. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Matt Murton would be the perfect RH platoon partner for Curtis. But he signed with the Hanshin Tigres in Japan. Perhaps we could work out a trade with them to get Murton back to the states?

    ____

    I really really dont get why anyone thinks granderson will be a platoon player. some people just pay attention only to the voices in their head. not what has been reported, or said, or is logical. you dont trade three players away for a cf who plays 70% of the time.

    good thing some people here dont make decisions that affect us in any way.

  37. Frank & Beans December 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Sam your Awesome! Way better than that other guy who left to write for the enemy.

  38. Chris from NJ December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Woe is the team that signs Damon for more than 2 years, under torre he was thinking about retiring, who knows where he’ll be physically and in terms of desire a few years from now? He’s a great hitter, and I’d love to see him or matsui back, but it’s unrealistic that the yankees will pay to keep them both back.

    One thing on Matsui, as the season wore on, and he got farther away from his knee surgury, he got better. And he was a beast in the playoffs, it might make more sense to bring him back than Damon, who started off very strongly but wasn’t doing much by the end of the season.

  39. Rad December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Well, i have to admit. I wasn’t for this trade, but i have to trust Cash knows what he’s doing. Granderson’s declining numbers, both offensively and defensively scare me. I thought that package of players was worth more, but apparently not. If AJax’s ceiling was projected to be as good as Granderson, might as well fast forward and skip the growing pains by taking the finished product.
    I guess Yankee stadium will be good for Granderson’s bat, and it’ll be nice to have a solid everyday center fielder again. He does come with a reasonable price tag.
    Just a couple of things.
    I thought teams valued IPK more than it turns out, and i think he will actually be a solid starter in the NL.
    Coke was okay, but definitely expendable (especially considering the return).
    I seriously doubt the Yanks are bringing Granderson in to be a platoon with anyone. AND HE WILL NOT HIT 3RD.
    They can still go after Damon or Matsui if the price is right. Im sure the yanks will not pursue any DH types other than Matsui.
    Im still hearing some people want Cameron. Okay player, but not worth the money considering he wont be playing center, and Melky puts up similar offensive numbers (i actually prefer Melky) and costs a fraction of the price.
    The Yanks still have enough chips to pursue Halladay, if they so choose. Personally, im all for it if they don’t trade Hughes or Montero.
    They will sign Pettitte.
    And i guess that’s all i can come up with right now. Welcome Curtis, we’re rooting for you. Let’s go Yankees.

  40. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Betsy,

    The Yankees interest in Roy Halladay has nothing to do with the Red Sox. It has more to do with their own budget, what players would be included in the deal, and whether they think now is the time to do it.

    Why do a lot of people dislike this trade? Well, its not a “lot” of people.

    Its extreme prospect huggers (those who think every prospect is going to be a superstar) and those to entrenched in the teachings of Bill James to look at the trade unemotionally.

    Simply put, the Yankees went for known over unknown. The Yankees do that everytime when it comes to trades.

    Like Cashman told Swisher last year when he got him….”Just be yourself and don’t worry about your batting average. Do what you do well and it will be good enough for us to win”.

    Seemed to work out pretty well to me!

    Curtis Granderson is one of the best CF’ers in the game. Add to it his clubhouse makeup, and he is the PERFECT fit for this team.

    The best thing about it? The Yankees didn’t drain the farm to get him.

    A great day for the Yankees.

  41. Jim Mason December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Regardless of Granderson’s splits, Austin Jackson had a long way to go before he is even in Granderson’s league. So even if there is a problem with his splits or OPS or OPP or whatever you are talking about, he’s still a good player. All Jackson has done is be a minor leaguer.

  42. Frank & Beans December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Jeremy,

    I said if he becomes Jeter, is a bad trade. key word is IF!!!

  43. AMS223 December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    if no damon…do you think they will go after someone like Derosa who hits lefties well, and could sit granderson and play melky in CF and derosa in LF vs lefties?

  44. Tony in Albany December 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    if you don’t feel like reading I’ll paste what I think was one of the more important points Sherman made :

    “we should not forget what Granderson could mean for the Yanks in leverage against both Damon and Matsui.

    For those 30 homers from a lefty hitter by Granderson would go a long way to replacing the potential 52 that could head out the door with Damon and Matsui while providing a younger body who plays defense at a much higher level.

    If the Yanks ever did get Granderson, we would likely find out just how badly Damon and/or Matsui want to stay because then the Yanks could really feel empowered to offer just one-year contracts. And for the purposes of making Yankee fans dream the dream, let’s say that they actually trade for Granderson and Damon takes a one-year, $12 million contract and Matsui a one-year $6 million deal.

    That would give the Yanks Granderson, Damon and Matsui for a total of $23.5 million in 2010 or less than the $26 million they paid to Damon and Matsui last year.

    Plus this would potentially be the everyday lineup in 2010: Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, A-Rod, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Swisher, Granderson.”

  45. Preisendanz December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I can’t see how Damon doesn’t take the 2/20 if that is even offered. Who else would offer Damon more than that, years wise?

  46. Baseball Guy December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    John Sterling: “The pitch..swung on and hit high in the air to right…

    It is high…

    It is far…

    It is GONE! A two-run homerun for Curtis. You are Grand son…”

    Another day…

    “There it goes to deep right…

    It is high…

    It is far…

    It is GONE!!!!!!!

    He’s done it. Curtis is Grand. A Granderson Grand Slam. Curtis is Grand again.”

  47. rover December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I only know about granderson what is written here. I don’t follow anyone not in pinstripes, no time for it. I can only say I hope all you hypers are right about the guy. Time will tell I spose.
    I worry about the splits. My guess is most of the lefties the yankees saw last year were in the stadium. If that is so, that doesn’t help him reach the short seats. I’ll wait and see.

  48. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I’m sorry, Cashman can’t that much credit. This is a salary dump. Not a brilliant piece of maneuvering.
    ——-
    Cashman gets the credit for targeting the right player and pulling the trigger for cheap. Thats pretty awesome.

  49. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Doesn’t look like the Yanks are gonna have to drain the farm for Halladay, either.

  50. Yer Outta Yer Mind December 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    30% is a BUTTLOAD of PA. 30% of a season is almost 50 GAMES. In 50 games, you’re starting a sub-.300 OBP guy. It doesn’t make it a bad deal, but to just brush off a number like that is kind of stupid.

  51. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    The Cubs and the Angels also tried to get Granderson.

  52. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    SJ,

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to go 2/20 for Damon? That seems to be too much in both dollars and guaranteed years considering he has no leverage anymore.

  53. Yer Outta Yer Mind December 8th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    50 games worth of PA, that is. Probably more, for Granderson – because if you’re the opposing manager, who do you bring in your LH Specialist to face? Granderson. In every close game in which he bats.

  54. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Curtis Granderson is not going to be a platoon player.

    Erin,

    Andy’s agent and the Yankees have talked parameters but, as of Monday, I don’t believe an official offer has come yet.

    I do think he will sign soon though. Wouldn’t shock me if signed in the next week.

  55. Scott December 8th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Let’s not forget that Granderson will be able to practice against two REALLY good lefties in Pettitte and CC. Plus, he drastically improves our defense in the outfield. As much as I loved following Ajax, we definitely come out better with this trade.

  56. Jim Mason December 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    detroit should get out of the league, or move to Pittsburgh if they are giving away star players for basically nothing.

  57. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    So long as the Yankees continue trading for “dreamy” players, at least the lady fans on this board will continue to be happy.

  58. vin December 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-big-trade

    Good recap from a 3rd party…

  59. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    That supposed 2/20 offer to Damon, even if it is legit, is likely off the table now with Granderson replacing Damon at the top of the lineup.

    The goal now is to replace Matsui in the middle of the order with someone else or Matsui himself.

  60. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    “Curtis Granderson is not going to be a platoon player.”

    Perhaps, but why not?

  61. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    So the Yankees made an official offer to Damon before they made one to Pettitte?

    I doubt that.

  62. Ninja Burglar December 8th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    That Sherman article, linked above, talks about a Granderson trade pressuring Matsui and Damon to sign if they ineed want to stay. The last line is this:

    “Plus this would potentially be the everyday lineup in 2010: Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, A-Rod, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Swisher, Granderson.”

    I would roll with that, yes I would.

  63. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I think the Yankees have no problem giving Johnny 2/20. They will hold the line though. Boras has no negotiating room on this one.

    The questions are, how long will the offer be out there, and will Scott try to drag it out to bring more teams into it?

    I don’t know the answers to those questions.

    Although, I don’t think the Yankees will turn the New Year not knowing who is playing LF or DH’ing for them.

  64. vin December 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Besides the trade, the two big developments for the Yanks so far…

    Andy’s not retiring.
    Matsui wants to continue to play in the US.

    There was a lot of speculation about those two guys after the WS. And, like Damon, their best fit is with NYY.

  65. EricaIsTrash December 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Nasty Erica! Nasty!

  66. Frank & Beans December 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Baseball Guy
    December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    John Sterling: “The pitch..swung on and hit high in the air to right…

    It is high…

    It is far…

    It is GONE! A two-run homerun for Curtis. You are Grand son…”

    Another day…

    “There it goes to deep right…

    It is high…

    It is far…

    It is GONE!!!!!!!

    He’s done it. Curtis is Grand. A Granderson Grand Slam. Curtis is Grand again.”

    I LOVE IT good job

  67. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    If the Yankees sign Damon…Granderson will hit 5th?

  68. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    The Yankees took advantage of two factors in this trade, the Detroit economy and a down year by Granderson. Obviously the Yankee front office think Granderson will rebound like Swisher. If you look at Granderson’s off field resume it makes one think of CC. Good man, good service and good for the team morale in the long grind of a season.

  69. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Bret,

    Their pursuit of Granderson has nothing to do with Damon.

    If they sign Damon, he could DH and play LF.

    One has nothing to do with the other and never did.

    Wave,

    The Yankees didn’t get Granderson to platoon him. They got him to be the everyday CF.

    Sure, he may sit against some lefties, just as Tino and O’Neill did from time to time. However, he’s not going to be platooned. He’s their CF for the foreseeable future.

  70. RickD December 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    It is GONE!!!!!!!

    He’s done it. Curtis is Grand. A Granderson Grand Slam. Curtis is Grand again.”
    The Grandenoooooooo!!!

  71. blake December 8th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Ugh… I wish sterling would get traded at the winter meetings.

  72. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Imagine if the Yank brought back MAtsui and Damon (not realistic just hypothetical)

    That line…sheesh

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Granderson CF (? speed mid line up)
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    Melky/Gardner RF

    I mean wow.

    I could also see maybe puuting Granderson 2nd, damon 3rd, Tex 5th and Matsui 6th?

    I’m not saying this is likely but whoo-wee…that would be ridiculous.

  73. EDUB December 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Anyone with insider give a quick rundown of what KLaw thought about the trade? Can see from the headline he thinks the Tigers won this one

  74. Matcohen December 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Great trade – assuming that the Yanks sign Pettite for $12 million, Melky for $4.3 and a DH for $8 million, they are at $205 million.

    They also have a ton of money committed through 2013 and lost 2 cheap inexpensive assets.

    I doubt that they trade for Holliday. They can’t afford to lose any more prospects.

  75. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Thank you Sam a voice of reason. Many on here would have opposed getting Paul ONeill. Arm chair GM’s lol !

  76. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Anyone with insider give a quick rundown of what KLaw thought about the trade? Can see from the headline he thinks the Tigers won this one

    —-

    Tigers won b/c of influx of young cheap talent, esp trading Edwin for that kid from Arizona who he says is just as good, cheaper and locked up long time.

    The yanks come out “good” in his analysis and the Dbacks…awful.

  77. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    It appears to me, anyway, that a lot more people love this trade than hate it. Maybe I misread the post about 85% of the posters being against it! I’m doing my usual hit and run so am doing some fast skimming.

    It is a GREAT time to be a Yankee fan in RI. Driving around listening to WEEI was a delight. They weren’t too hyped up on getting Scutaro (one of the goof comments I heard was “Gee, we have Marco Scutaro. The Yankees only have Derek Jeter.” I laughed my butt off! Today they are conceding – though they’ve tried to find all the warts – that this was a great trade for the Yankees.

    And then I can’t help but delight in the sorrow attendant to the rapid demise of the Pats. They say good things happen to good people. You all know how much I believe in karma! Well Belicheat set the Pats up for a few bad years at least.

    I also can’t help but smirk a little when I think of Pete Abe and his absolute trashing of Arod and also dumping on posters with whom he disagreed – and then turning with two weeks left and running to the Globe. Well what a postseason he had to live with. And now his beloved Pats!

    Karma is a beach!!!

    LOVE Granderson.

    Please Santa, get me Matsui, make sure Melky is still around, and let Halladay find a home away from the Bronx. I still want my Joba and Hughes dolls!

    Thanks Santa. I’ve been good, honest.

    Trisha

  78. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Granderson was an oppportunity that they weren’t really expecting going into the GM meetings, but they leapt on it, as did some other teams. They weren’t the only bidder for CG, just the winning one.

  79. EA December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    How many tough lefties are in the AL?

    Lester? Price? Kazmir?

    Granderson doesn’t need to sit against guys like Joe Saunders, Ricky Romero, or Mark Burhlee.

  80. jpb1973 December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Matsui makes more sense than Damon because Matsui is a middle order hitter who can hit lefties and he’ll probably cost less money and possibly less years than Damon.

    Matsui’s splits against lefties balance out Granderson’s better.

    ——————————————————–

    Thats right…plus Matsui gives better protection to ARod.

  81. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    I don’t really care what people think about this trade. When all of you see Granderson play next year you’ll realize what a great trade this was.

  82. ANSKY December 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Does the OF look like Damon or (TBA) in LF, Granderson in CF, Melky in RF?

    Who’d be more likely to be traded then, Gardner or Swisher? Would Gardner be the 4th OF or an option to take LF if he earns it? Will they still look for a LF?

  83. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    SJ44-

    I’m not saying you’re wrong. But a career .614 OPS vs LHP (.484 and .494 OPS in 2 out of the last 3 years) indicates a platoon player to me, whether or not the Yanks want him to be.

    Maybe he’ll replicate his 2008 season vs LHP, which would be fine, but I doubt it.

    My vote (I know, I don’t have one) would be to sign Cameron and Matsui, and forget about Halladay. We could probably sign both of them for $15MM to $16MM.

    Then, we could start CG, Cameron and Swish against RHP, and against the weaker lefties we could play Granderson and see if he comes on, but against the tougher lefties sit him and play Melky. I think that would be pretty clever and pretty effective.

  84. carl December 8th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Why would they trade Swish?

  85. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Great trade – assuming that the Yanks sign Pettite for $12 million, Melky for $4.3 and a DH for $8 million, they are at $205 million.

    ___

    melkyy made 1.4 mil last year. he is not going to make 4.3 this year. 2 mil tops.

  86. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger
    December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
    I don’t really care what people think about this trade. When all of you see Granderson play next year you’ll realize what a great trade this was.

    AMEN Brother

  87. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    sign Cameron and Matsui, and forget about Halladay. We could probably sign both of them for $15MM to $16MM.

    Why not just sign Matt Holliday for LF?

  88. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    #Tigers also wanted Francisco Cervelli at one point in Granderson trade talks, source says.

    ___

    UHHH… now they are just getting crazy.

  89. EDUB December 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Thanks Nick D. Seems like the consensus is the Dbacks got owned but interesting to know that he thinks the Tigers cleaned up on this trade

  90. Johnny D. December 8th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    I just can’t believe they gave up Jackson. I’m shocked.

  91. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Davidoff saying the Tigers also tried to get Cervelli at one point in the negotiations.

  92. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    tex’s friend
    December 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    #Tigers also wanted Francisco Cervelli at one point in Granderson trade talks, source says.

    *********************
    WHAT???? No way!! Really glad Cisco wasn’t a part of it.

  93. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    remember, the yankees said they WILL be improving their pitching. signing just andy is not improving, it is staying the same. if not halladay, expect to see harden or sheets in pinstripes (please no wolf or marquis).

  94. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “Why not just sign Matt Holliday for LF?”

    Because signing Holliday will be a long term commitment, and signing Cameron and Matsui won’t be.

  95. Pat M. December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    SJ, Come the All-Star break, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone here who was against this great trade that the Bombers made….I have said that this offseason will be the one that defines Cashman as a premier GM…It’ll be alabout the trades , and not the Free Agent signings that many dink in rep as a quality GM…….Curtis Granderson is going to put many a smile on Yankee Fans….You have to watch the players as well as reading the back of their Topps Card

  96. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “Tigers also tried to get Cervelli at one point in the negotiations.”

    Interesting.

  97. Zorro December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    I have the perfect platoon partner for Granderson… Miranda. Can he play the OF though?

  98. murphydog December 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “I’m sorry, Cashman can’t that much credit. This is a salary dump. Not a brilliant piece of maneuvering.”

    I guess a deal has to have the logistical challenges of the Normandy Invasion and be the Great Train Robbery at the same time before some armchair GM gives Cash any props.

  99. ArtieA December 8th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Sam, outstanding analysis..you hit it right on the button. NOBODY knows what Kennedy and Jacksdon will give you. We’ve seen Phil coke and he’s okay. Great pouint about % of times you see lefties. And I alos think hitting second behind Jeter- assuming that’s the order- will open the left side for Granderson. In Detroit he was leadoff. Should add points to his average.

  100. Baseball Guy December 8th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    “He is Grand-a-lishous…”

    (I sure hope that’s not the call…)

    Just imagine being a fan of so many other teams – the Yankees continue to keep things fun and exciting.

    I think this makes Matsui the better option (than Damon).

    Matsui hits 5th, I would imagine he’d take less money, and fewer years… With Granderson, Swisher, Melky, and Gardner, the OF is set…

    They need a power bat for the fifth spot – that’s Hideki.

  101. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    “Why not just sign Matt Holliday for LF?”

    Because signing Holliday will be a long term commitment, and signing Cameron and Matsui won’t be.

    True, but what’s wrong with committing long term to players like Holliday?

  102. GB December 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    I agree with the post Sam, but do you really think we’ve got another big move left this offseason. I know we have Joba/Hughes/Montero, but if we trade them we are going to be real light on prospects which could hurt us in the near future. What do you think?

  103. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Yankees weren’t the only team after Granderson, thus changing it from a salary dump to a bidding war.

  104. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    can we put a blog ban on the name mike cameron? seriosuly!

  105. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    can we put a blog ban on the name mike cameron? seriosuly!

    lol. seconded.

  106. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    “Arm chair GM’s lol !”

    Everybody in here is an arm chair GM.

  107. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Cameron sucks.Just like gardner does…

  108. Matcohen December 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Melky’s OPS went from .641 in 2008 to .752 in 2009. Fangraphs has him worth $7.2 million. 2nd year arb players get roughly 60% of value.

    I know that on the Yanks he’s a twinkie but he is a decent center fielder (a premium position) and he’s going to get paid.

  109. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    “what’s wrong with committing long term to players like Holliday?”

    Brett-

    IMO, we have a number of very hefty long term commitments right now. Getting too many of those in too short a period of time is risky-it could lead to an old, expensive core in a few years.

    Better to wait. 2011 will have a lot of good free agents available and the Yanks could get a better deal.

  110. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    It seems to me this trade makes signing Delarosa a good fit. He can play several positions, including LF, moving Melky to CF against the tough lefties. He and Miranda could do the DHing as well.

  111. Rad December 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    can we put a blog ban on the name mike cameron? seriosuly!

    ———————————

    THIRD!!!

  112. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Melky might get traded.

  113. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    tex’s friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    can we put a blog ban on the name mike cameron? seriosuly!

    ——————-

    Thirded.

    Don’t understand the love affair with Cameron.

    I’d like to add Adam Dunn and David DeJesus to that list of banned names as well.

  114. blake December 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Brett, because signing holliday would make just too much sense..

  115. G. Love December 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Sam,

    Great post. Prospect Huggers won’t agree, but you hit the nail on the head across the board.

    This is a great deal for the Yankees. Cashman, yet again, has trumped the other GM’s by striking fast.

    After he stole Swisher last season all of a sudden other teams were bellyaching they wanted a crack at him.

    I think even Atlanta was trying to trade for him after we signed Tex.

    I’m sure a lot of GM’s would like Granderson in CF and could afford his salary which is not ridiculous.

    They just didn’t want to open the cookie jar to get him.

    It’s a great move and I anticipate it’s going to be an exciting couple of weeks.

    This move (and the pressure from the fanbase) may force Boston into doing something they don’t want to do especially if Bay ends up on the west coast.

    If this makes them overpay for Hallyday just so they can chalk up a win in the off season for them and their fans, so be it.

    I still think, after SJ told us Toronto didn’t love Ajax, that we have the chips to get Doc if we want him.

    That said, I would sign Andy and Sheets and keep Joba and Phil and the rest of the prospects and sign Doc in the off season. I’d roll the dice he doesn’t sign long term.

    I agree with not paying twice for Hallyday if we don’t have to.

    If the Red Sox get him it’ll be because they emptied what’s left of the farm and they have completely thrown their payroll out of whack.

    Try telling Josh Beckett he can’t have as much money as Doc when it comes to renegotiation time.

    Getting Doc could completely destroy Boston’s payroll flexibility for years to come.

  116. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Matt Holliday is not a difference maker type of player.

    You don’t commit long term money to a position player who is not a difference maker.

    Arod is a difference maker. Tex is a difference maker. Holliday is not.

    Good but not great players, you acquire in trades. You don’t commit long term years/dollars to them.

  117. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    “Don’t understand the love affair with Cameron. ”

    Well, if you liked Nick Swisher you would love Mike Cameron.

  118. tex's friend December 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    So names we should ban:
    Mike Cameron
    Adam Dunn
    David DeJesus

    I’m officially adding any talk about platooning CF to this.

  119. jpb1973 December 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    It seems to me this trade makes signing Delarosa a good fit. He can play several positions, including LF, moving Melky to CF against the tough lefties. He and Miranda could do the DHing as well.

    —————————————————–

    The Yankees could resign Jerry Hairston Jr for a lot less $$$ than DeRosa.

  120. Rick December 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    When all is said and done, Matsui will always be a professional hitter even if he has to crawl to the plate on his hands and knees. As purely a DH, I’d rather see him with a bat in his hands over Damon who skills will decline after one more year of baseball.

  121. Drive 4-5 December 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Count me in as one who loves this trade. You have to give value to get value, but I still think the Yanks got the better part of the deal.

    Kudos to Cashman. The Yanks are no longer held hostage by Boras over Damon’s services. If Johnny wants to win again and come back on the team’s terms, then fine. If not, Melky will do fine in left field.

    AJ could be a future star or he could be Hensley Meulens. Here’s hoping he becomes a star. Hate giving up a good lefty arm like Phil Coke, but Damaso Marte took over his innings in the postseason.

  122. Zorro December 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Dunn in the AFL:

    4.35 ERA
    10.1 IP
    11 H
    5 ERs
    2 HRs
    10 BBs
    20 Ks

  123. Preisendanz December 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Signing Mike Cameron? A 37 year old that strikes out too much? Come on lets stop throwing his name around.

  124. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Better to wait. 2011 will have a lot of good free agents available and the Yanks could get a better deal.

    A much better FA class for sure, but locking any of them up long term leads to the same problem you want to avoid, an old core. Since free agents tend to share a similar age and stage in their respective careers, next year’s crop will be around 30 years old, just like Holliday. The difference is, Jeter, Mo, Arod and Posada, the current old core, will be all be a year older. In addition, Matt Holliday might be a better bargain than any of the 2011 class because the economy is still in recovery mode.

    If the Yankees want to sign one of the 2011 free agent starting pitchers, then they’ll have the money when Pettitte (if he returns in 2010) comes off the books along with Mo. That’s 20-22 million right there for spending on the 2011 class.

    Cameron and Matsui? C’mon Wave.

  125. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    “Cameron and Matsui? C’mon Wave.”

    I wont’ stop hyping them. I’m on a mission from God.

  126. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    CR9
    December 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    Highlight film showing Granderson jumping and reaching over th CF wall to take a homer away, hit off Verlander. When’s the last time you’ve see a Yankee OF’er make that play??

    ____

    Melky taking away Manny’s shot in 2006.

    Matsui taking away a homer against the Red Sox behind the Big Unit in the first game of 2005.

  127. DonnaL December 8th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Ruben Rivera was a great prospect too. More highly-rated than Derek Jeter at one time.

    And I’m old enough to remember Bill Robinson and Steve Whitaker, the great hopes of my childhood.

    Austin Jackson is unlikely to be as good as Jay Buhner. And Curtis Granderson is not Ken Phelps.

    Players are allowed to have a down year at 29 without everyone assuming that they’re “regressing.” That’s how they were able to get him in the first place; the Tigers wouldn’t likely have traded him if he’d just had a year like he did in 2007, or even 2008.

    Plus, playing 81 games in Yankee Stadium factor should help him a lot.

    As I recall, there were a number of people here who weren’t crazy about signing C.C. Sabathia.

    I think you’ll look equally foolish about Granderson in about 5 or 6 months.

  128. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    The more I think about it, the Granderson trade changes my feeling about getting Halladay right now.

    I think Halladay wants to play for the Yankees. I think its just as likely he stays in Toronto all year, or goes to a place as a one year rental, than to go somewhere he doesn’t want to go.

    That said, the Granderson deal changes things for the Yankees.

    They could sign Andy and Ben Sheets and that would give them enough starting pitching depth.

    JMO but, if they did that, I believe either Hughes or Chamberlain (most likely Chamberlain) will end up in the bullpen.

    That leaves DH/OF as the last spot to fill.

    If Johnny Damon takes the offer, he’s back. If not, they go in a different direction.

    One other name to consider for a 1 or 2 year deal as a DH….Vlad Guerrero.

    If the market continues to slide, Vlad could slide to the Yankees on a one year offer to DH.

  129. blake December 8th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    SJ. I disagree. Holliday won’t cost nearly as much as Arod or tex and I think he makes the team significantly better. So to me that is a difference maker

  130. Steve December 8th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    I could see the Sox acquiring Halladay with a package built around Westermoreland. Perhaps including guys like Bowden, Tazawa, or Delcarmen.

  131. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 8th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    I’m with you Wave. Matsui still has a great bat and no problem with lefties and Cameron plays great defense and is incredibly consistent at the plate.

  132. Giuseppe Franco December 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    “Don’t understand the love affair with Cameron. ”

    Well, if you liked Nick Swisher you would love Mike Cameron.

    ———–

    Not exactly. One of them is 37 years old and the other is Swisher.

    And if I’m going to sign a 37 year old, it’s going to be Johnny Damon a proven winner and majpr catalyst in that Yankee lineup.

  133. Stan December 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    G. Love is correct but it would be good to have full medical reports on Ben Sheets before any commitment to him.

  134. DonnaL December 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Plus, I agree that Granderson is a nice-looking young man.

  135. KWAN December 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Tyler Kepner

    Johnny Damon: “Whatever happens, everybody knows I love NY. If it doesn’t happen, I know I’m gonna help another team get better.”
    35 minutes ago

  136. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    AMS223-Didn’t see your earlier post about Delarosa. I agree.

  137. Rishi December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    I go to a 2 hour meeting and all of a sudden Gammons has left EPSN and Curry has left NYTimes…what the heck!

  138. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    From previous post.
    I was looking at Grandersons stolen bases numbers. I was shocked to see that he only had 20 last year and 12 the prior. I thought he was a speedster? Did they just not like to send him in Detroit with all the hitters behind him?

  139. Mike December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    The highlight that SNY keeps playing is of Granderson laying down a squeeze bunt against CC and beating it out.

  140. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    I’d rather have Matsui than Guerrero.

  141. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    This screw Boras up. Yankees have all the leverage with Damon now.

  142. Holla December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I’d rather have Vlad because we need some RH power and a guy who can hit lefties to make up for Granderson’s deficiencies.

    I know Matsui can hit lefties well, but he is not a lefty masher like Vlad.

  143. G. Love December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    SJ,

    I agree completely. I think we should stay out of the Doc trade talks now and sign Andy and Sheets and keep Joba and Phil.

    I don’t know why the Granderson deal is making me feel differently, but it is.

    I think we upgraded the offense and defense a great deal today. Right now our up the middle offense with Posada, Jeter, Cano, Granderson is unparalleled in MLB. To make our defense better is a huge boost.

    The price on Doc is going to either fall or Boston is going to go all in and try to appease their fanbase who were not enamored with Scutaro and Tug Hulett.

    If Boston goes all in for Doc, it’s a team killer for them in my opinion. Their offense still needs help, they still need a LF and it completely throws their salary structure out of whack. All their other players will point to the Doc contract as a benchmark in negotiations.

    Unless Cashman wants Joba off the team for some reason, I don’t know if I pay the price twice for Doc.

  144. YankeefaninMD December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    It is high, it it far, it is long, it is Grandissimo!!!!!

  145. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I’d like to get Sheets. How much will he cost?

    Also, if they get him, I see Joba and Hughes competing for the 5th spot in the rotation, the loser goes to AAA to be stretched out as a starter.

    The bullpen won’t need Joba or Hughes in the regular season as much as the rotation might need them.

    The Yankees will make a move this offseason to address the pen IMHO. The pen will be OK.

    Atlanta is overloaded with expensive relievers since Soriano accepted arby. I think he can be had via trade with the Yankees giving up less value than the 2 high picks that would’ve been required had Soriano filed for FA and the Yankees signed him. At 6-8 million, he’ll be somewhat of a salary dump for Atlanta.

  146. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Holliday is going to get between 80 and 100 million dollars.

    He’s just not that kind of player.

    Also, contracts like that cost the Yankees more money because of the luxury tax hit.

    The Yankees aren’t interested in Holliday.

  147. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    “Everybody in here is an arm chair GM.”

    Some us bar stools. :(

  148. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    XM Radio reporting that Milton Bradley, close to being traded to a “surprise” AL team!!!!! Who could the surprise team be????

  149. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Steve, they could Halladay centered around a package of popcorn, twizzlers, and peanuts. Or at least that’s how the media portrays it.

    I want no part of Frankenstein Vladdy. If everyone who insults Jeter for his DPs thinks jeter is bad, wait til Vlad averages 1 DP every 2 games with us.

    If we are going to get a DH like Vlad, we might as well spend the extra few mil to get a professional hitter like Matsui.

  150. G. Love December 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Oh and I would LOVE Vlad as the full time DH. LOVE.

    If it’s not Matsui, let Vlad hit 5th and mash for a season.

  151. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    “Tigers also tried to get Cervelli at one point in the negotiations.”

    Abs for eyes?

    With Damon in LF and Cervelli behind the dish? That’s some serious beefcake.

  152. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Forget Damon! He was an adventure in the outfield and his average dipped this year. Go after Ankeil.

    Ankeil in left
    Swish in right
    Grand in center
    Use Melky as a 4th outfielder giving players a rest at dh.

  153. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    “Not exactly. One of them is 37 years old and the other is Swisher.

    And if I’m going to sign a 37 year old, it’s going to be Johnny Damon a proven winner and majpr catalyst in that Yankee lineup.”

    Cameron, though 37, is still an excellent fielder, a very productive hitter and can play every day. I’d take him, KO’s, age and all, especially on a short term contract.

  154. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Vlad is done.

    And the Sox won’t trade Bucholz, Kelly or Westmoreland for Halladay. I think Halladay’s agents told the Jays he wants to be traded to the Yanks last night.

  155. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    I agree completely. I think we should stay out of the Doc trade talks now and sign Andy and Sheets and keep Joba and Phil.

    Thirded.

  156. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Neither Hughes nor Chamberlain will see AAA again unless its on a rehab assignment.

    Neither guy is going to AAA to “stretch out”. They are 2 of the 12 best pitchers on the team.

  157. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Cubs are supposedly close to dealing Milton Bradley. I bet they’ll approach us again about Melky after that.

  158. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    I would not mind having replaced Grandy with Damon, and keeping Matsui.

    IMO

    Grandy, Matsui > Grandy, Damon

    Then, Melky can play left, even though his bat does not warrant a LF spot, it’s like Grandy took Damon’s spot in LF, and we’ve upgraded both CF and LF by moving Melk to left.

  159. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    I dont see the Yankees going after Halladay now. I thought Jackson would be part of that deal along with Joba and others. Yankees just need to sign Andy and take a chance on someone like Sheets or Harden.

  160. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Yankee Trader
    December 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
    XM Radio reporting that Milton Bradley, close to being traded to a “surprise” AL team!!!!! Who could the surprise team be????

    My guess is the ChiSox.

  161. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Put me in on the Vlad for dh list.

  162. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    ***upgraded both CF and LF defensively***

  163. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Vlad isn’t done as a hitter. He’s done as an OF.

    I would love Matsui to come back. However, I think if he does sign with the Angels (where I think he will end up), Vlad isn’t a bad second choice as a DH.

    Assuming of course, Damon doesn’t return.

  164. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    In a world in which Brad Penny got a base of $7.5MM with an achievable $1.5MM incentive, Ben Sheets (or Rich Harden) won’t be cheap.

  165. Pat M. December 8th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Folks, The World Champion NY Yankees just improved their ballclub significantly….Re-up Andy, shop around for a starter ( Sheets would be sweet ) and decide if the bullpen is go to go ( Concerns me with no Hughes ) with what’s on the roster ????? The Doc Halladay seduction is overwhelming, and it may still be a situation that The Yanks are watching……However the # 5 hole is a big concern for me, Matsui is still the best option to cover Alex, considering the cost and options

  166. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    “I think Halladay’s agents told the Jays he wants to be traded to the Yanks last night.”

    Why do you think this?

  167. YankeefaninMD December 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Sheets would be an excellent move, though I would have some concerns about health in the playoffs with Andy and Sheets. Aside from that, even though Figgins or Damon would have been better choices than Granderson, got to support the team. Go Grandy! On another note, if we don’t sign Damon, that takes away a big part of the chemistry from the team – he’s a guy whose personality in the clubhouse is darn near impossible to replace.

  168. DaSaint007 December 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Next up, pitching:
    * Resigning Pettitte for $10-$12 mil
    * Adding starting depth in Ben Sheets (31) or Rich Harden (28).
    * Signing Aroldis Chapman to a minor-league contract.

  169. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Well its either that or signing Lackey who wants Burnett money. Yankees wont do that.

  170. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Ben Sheets (or Rich Harden) won’t be cheap.

    Unfortunate.

    However, if the Yankees get a cheap replacement for Matsui, it can be done.

  171. G. Love December 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    CR9,

    Exactly. Today’s trade just took the starch out of Boras’ shorts in regards to Damon and the Yankees.

    The Yankees could easily just sign Matsui to a discounted deal and be done with the offense/defense for the season.

    You can afford to play Melky in LF with Granderson’s power in CF.

    It’s not ideal, mind you, but it’s a great fall back option.

    That said, I think Damon comes back for 2 seasons and plays some LF/DH and that’s that for the offense.

    I do hope we resign Hairston though.

  172. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Last time people kept saying Schilling wants to be a Yankee, he ended up being a Red Sox, and has not a positive thing to say about the Yankees organization in the 6 years since.

  173. Mark 21 December 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Vlad would fit this lineup perfectly… I just don’t think they want to clog up the DH again.

  174. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    …so can we quit with this Halladay wants to be a Yankee garbage.

  175. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    What’s the difference between Sheets and Harden? I hear many fans of Sheets and not so many for Harden.

  176. blake December 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Sj. So you don’t think Holliday is worth 80M over 5 or 6 years. Come on now, how do you justify that. I agree he’s not a 20+ million dollar player but he is a very good player and is better than any other outfield option I can see available in the near future. If you get Holliday them you go from one of the worst outfields last year to
    one of the best.

  177. YankeefaninMD December 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    One more thing – Vlad is most definitely done. Though he got lucky and hit well in the playoffs, he looked like he was walking on crutches or something … might as well bring Bonds back if you’re thinking about Vlad …

  178. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Phil,
    The last time i heard someone in the caliber of Halliday make it known that he wants to play for the Yanks. The pitcher ended up in Boston(SCHILLING). I hope your right and he handcuffs them into pulling the trigger or keeping him the remainder of the year. I will be happy if its A.B.B.(ANYWHERE BUT BOSTON).

  179. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Are we to believe that Wang is ready when his agent, Nero, says he is? Cuz if Wang is pitching at all in May…he’s worth the contract. Best #5 starter in the game? Ensures Joba’s in the pen.
    I’d rather roll the dice on Chien-Ming than Sheets or Duscherrer or Harden.

  180. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    I definitely think its going to take a minimum of 10 million (combo of salary and bonuses) to sign Sheets.

    Great value if he is healthy.

    I wouldn’t touch Harden because he has a chronic shoulder problem. Those are tougher injuries than an elbow flexor tendon.

  181. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Vlad Guerrero :???:

    Oh please God no. The man runs like he’s on crutches and he’s just not that good anymore.

    Just gimme some more Hideki Matsui and I’ll be happy.

  182. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Im sure Halladay does want to be a Yankee though. Doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.

  183. Mark 21 December 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Sheets would be a fantastic pickup

    We’ll be locked and loaded for 10′

  184. Ken December 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    I like the trade but don’t love it… I hate to deal away Jackson in a trade that isnt a blockbuster. I was hoping the Yankees could develop young talent. Im one of the old fashioned types that enjoy home grown talent win more than just free agent acquisitions such as Tex and ARod. Sorry just stating how I feel today after the trade. We gave away all home grown talent for this guy.

  185. blake December 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    If sheets is 100% he’s the best free agent pitcher available IMO

  186. Betsy December 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Glove, I basically agree with you, but no WAY do I want the Sox getting Doc. It would not mollify me one bit to think they gave up some prospects. A rotation of Doc, Lester and Beckett would give me nightmares…..

  187. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Ken I understand your point but Granderson is a great player and he is reasonably priced. Good guy as well. Fits the mold of the Yankee clubhouse.

  188. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Blake,

    You don’t factor in the 40% luxury tax hit the Yankees take on a Holliday contract. When you do, he’s not worth it.

    Something that gets lost in all of the “fill the team with long term contracted free agents”.

    He’s not worth the money for the Yankees because they already have enough big guns and big contracts on the team.

    He has more value to a team short on offense. That’s not the Yankees problem.

  189. Globe December 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    This reminds me of the Braves-Teixeira trade. Texas got a bunch of high upside pieces and the trade turned into a heist. I think we’re going to be saying the same things about the pieces we gave up.

    Kennedy, Coke, and Austin are top prospects who are ML ready.

  190. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Does anybody know when Ben Sheets is having his tryout for interested teams? I think it’s sometime mid-December, if so, then I don’t think the Yanks do anything (except sign Andy) before then. Cash always wants the most information before making decisions.

  191. PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    The call will be “A Dandy for Grandy.”

    I’ve never been a big Joel Sherman fan, but reading that November column he’s is positively clairvoyant. It’s like he was in the room with Cash making the deal, and he deserves the props.

    SJ hit the nail on the head. Andy signs something in the $11-12 range in the next few days, and Damon must decide on his $8-10 x 2 deal soon.

    Matsui and Vlad are in the picture, but for later in the season–if the Angels take one or the other, so be it.

    Halliday wants to play for NY, I agree. The issue is how to get him there.

    Boston does not have the prospects. Westmoreland plus? Gammons is retiring from ESPN, and out of respect for him, let’s not keep parroting his ridiculous oversell of the Boston farm.

    Send something to Pirates cheap and decent for Ryan Doumit, who you swing to Jays plus Joba plus one of Pena or another infield prospect. That would do it, but why not simply wait a year? That is the question….

  192. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Sheets hasn’t been healthy is years. The closest he was to healthy was 2008 and that cost him all of 2009.

    He’s an injury waiting to happen.

    Does it not bother anyone here that the guy has gotten injured every year for the past 4 years?

  193. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Ray,

    He runs like Matsui. No more, no less.

    He’s also RH and balances out the lineup.

    If they sign Matsui, I’d have no problem with it.

    However, if they don’t, Vlad isn’t a bad backup option.

    Austin Jackson was never going to be a piece of a Halladay trade because the Jays aren’t high on him.

    Today’s trade was a “blockbuster”.

    The Yankees acquired one of the best CF’s in the game, who is only 28 and cost controlled for at least the next 3 years.

    That’s a blockbuster. Especially for who they gave up.

  194. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Nick,

    Here’s why: last night the Jays dined with Halladays’s agents. Today, they engaged the Pirates about Doumit, and the Sox came out and said they wouldn’t trade Bucholz or Kelly for Halladay. Why did both things happen today?

  195. Yeah December 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Granderson could very well already be in decline. His OPS+ over the past three years (his age-26, -27, and -28 seasons): 135, 123, 100.

    That’s right, in 2009, Granderson was a league-average center fielder (at least offensively). Just like–you guessed it–Melky.

  196. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Wow, 10 mil for Sheets? That would require someone really cheap for DH.

    11-12 mil for Pettitte.
    10 mil for Sheets.
    5 for Granderson.
    4-5 for Chapman.

    That’s 30 mil right there.

  197. Mike December 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Sheets would be an excellent move. He’d be worth $10 mil.

  198. PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Phil

    “I think Halladay’s agents told the Jays he wants to be traded to the Yanks last night.”

    Says who?

  199. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    While Kennedy will do well in Arizona, I think, and Phil Coke has shown he’s a ML relief pitcher, I don’t think Austin Jackson is ML-ready. Though he did win IL Rookie of the Year honors, and I’m sure the Tigers will give him a chance for the ML roster out of ST, he still struck out an awful lot in AAA. If he’s fooled at that level, I’d be surprised if it suddenly got much better.

    From everything I’ve read for the past few months, Jackson was being pencilled in for another season at Scranton.

  200. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Well, ESPN posted something like 13 minutes ago about the talks being at an impasse…is this a done deal or not? What’s holding up official announcements and player notifications?

  201. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    SJ,

    I watched Vlad run in the playoffs last year and it wasn’t pretty.

    Hideki can still score on a double from first, Vlad hasn’t scored from first on a double in some time.

    Just sign Matsui and call it a day.

    Cashman did want Vlad instead of Sheffield years ago so maybe he tries to get him now. I hope not however.

  202. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    SJ,
    Where would you rank Granderson? Better than? Just below?

  203. Mike December 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Physicals take time to complete. Sherman said don’t expect an official announcement till Wednesday.

  204. Hoffa December 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    “And the Sox won’t trade Bucholz, Kelly or Westmoreland for Halladay. I think Halladay’s agents told the Jays he wants to be traded to the Yanks last night.”

    Phil,

    What makes you think that?

  205. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    11-12 mil for Pettitte.
    10 mil for Sheets.
    5 for Granderson.
    4-5 for Chapman.

    How about Doumit to DH and play C/RF @ 5 mil (after arby estimate)?

  206. Betsy December 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    I have said all along that I see no reason why Doc would sign an extension with a team he doesn’t really want to be with long term. Even if he would agree to go to the Angels (just to get out of Toronto) that doesn’t mean that he wants to spend the rest of his career there. I think Doc has waited this long for free agency – he might just wait another year to finally have full control over where he plays. I have to believe the Yanks would LOVE to have this guy on their team…they may not want to give up prospects to the Jays, but I’m sure they would love Doc. SJ, do you think the Yanks would be interested in Doc next year? I really want this guy, badly – didn’t know how badly until this all came to a head. I would think they’d be interested, but I wonder what kind of contract he’d require and if the Yanks would give it to him.

    In any case, if Doc wants to be a Yankee, he might have to be patient…he can’t force the Jays to make a deal for him. I still would love to do a deal for him this year, get an extra year out of him.

  207. UpState December 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Cubs want Melky ?
    Who knows what the Cub Farm System has to offer ?
    What ML players are they looking to part with (forget about Bradley, please).

  208. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    ramagnetic,
    You convinced me to flip flop my choice and go with Godzilla. He seemed to hit his stride in the end of the season. Maybe the knees are feeling better. No on Damon for 2 if its to play the outfield.

  209. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    raymagnetic – Oh, Sheets’ injury history does concern me. That’s why I think Cash has him checked out 17-different ways. I remember an analysis of Sheets’ mechanics by, Hardball Times?, last offseason; basically, it showed why he was at risk.

    That’s why I – who knows nothing about such things – would defer to Cash and the coaches, medical people, etc. about this. If they feel he was stable, then that’s a terrific direction to go in. If not, then maybe they look at Justin Duscherer (sp?), or spin another deal.

  210. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Hoffa,

    cause they told reporters today they wouldn’t trade Bucholz or Kelly for him and Westmoreland is held in the same esteem and down the chain some.

  211. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Phil: interesting, and I hope you’re correct.

  212. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Granderson isn’t on the decline. Only people who have no idea how to interpret stats, and never watch him play, would say that.

    Some have said Arod is on the decline too. Sure looked like it in the post-season.

    SOS,

    I think Granderson fits NY perfectly. Big personality, will handle the media well, will LOVE hitting at home, and knows a lot of the guys on the team already.

    In fact, I wouldn’t have a problem with Melky in LF and Granderson in CF if they get Damon, Matsui or Vlad to DH.

    Run prevention is just as important as run production to me.

    I think Melky in LF and Granderson in CF makes the Yankees a better defensive team.

    Granderson will also be a better CF in NY because CF is less cavernous in NY than it is in Detroit.

  213. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    How much for Duscherer?

  214. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    In Cashman I trust.

  215. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    S.o.S.,

    I’d definitely prefer Matsui over Vlad if the Yankees go the DH route. Hideki is a better bat than Vlad at this time of year.

    Joe,

    You’re right about Cashman checking out Sheets medicals. I just looked at Sheets’ numbers and they are impressive. Just a little worried about his injury history.

  216. G. Love December 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    betsy,

    I don’t want Doc on the Sox, but if they empty the vault and then pay him what he wants in free agency in a long terms deal they are going the extra mile that the Yankees may not want to go to get him.

    If he’s a free agent next year, injury free in 2010, the Yankees will sign him to replace Pettitte.

    The question comes down to this; Does Cash want to give up one of Joba/Phil for Doc.

    If he does, then Hallyday is ours. I don’t think Boston will match that first piece and we’ll give them additional pieces that they will round out the deal.

    My feeling is read into which young players Cash deals this winter. The organization knows exactly who is expendable and are telling you that with the deals they make.

  217. Carl C. December 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    It’s all posturing… look how much Cashman talked up Austin Jackson in his public comments this off-season. People thought that meant he was high on him and wouldn’t trade him for anyone but Doc. Turns out that wasn’t the case.

  218. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy,

    I think if Roy Halladay ever hits free agency, the Yankees will sign him.

    I think he knows that.

    The issue is, does he wait for it or do the Yankees trade for him? Or, does he decide he can’t wait and agrees to a trade somewhere else signs an extension.

    I have felt for awhile the Yankees are going to get him at some point.

    Like Pat M, as soon as Granderson’s name came up as someone the Yankees were interested in, I felt they would acquire him.

    I thought it was was going to cost more pitching than it did though.

    Great job by Cash protecting the better arms in the organization in that deal.

  219. Hoffa December 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Phil,

    Good job reading the tea leaves if that’s correct.

  220. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    So back to back Years Cash pulls off two good trades.

  221. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    This trade does have the effect of reducing payroll by replacing either Damon or Matsui at well less than half their last year’s cost.

  222. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    I’d rather wait for Halladay to reach free agency in 1 year than deal Phil or Joba for him.

    I’d look into Harden, Sheets or Duchsherer

  223. Corey December 8th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Bret that is a good point. Seeing as how Boston probably wont get him why not.

  224. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    I wonder if there is a market for Swisher….

  225. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    The trade was great for the Yanks, and Granderson will be a huge contributor.

    But people just have their head in the clouds if they wave off Granderson’s OPS of .484 vs lefties last year, or his career .614 OPS vs lefties.

    Teams will be able to exploit that.

    First, the Yanks see a lot of lefties because of the Stadium. Last year, the Yanks were actually better against lefties and we were able to take advantage of it.

    Second, he can be neutralized in the middle and late innings by bringing in a lefty reliever to face him. That hurts, especially in high leverage situations.

    Third, if he hits at the top of the lineup, those weaknesses will be magnified.

    The Yanks need an OF who hits LHP to pair with him, maybe not a platoon precisely, but still an effective RH OF.

    It’s the best way to get the most out of Granderson.

  226. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    I expect the Yankees position with Halladay will be to try to insure that he goes to them rather than too cheaply to the Sox.

  227. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    If they are going to go with an OF of Swish/Curtis/Melky wouldn’t they use Melky in RF with his arm?

    Or is asking Swish to adjust to LF too much?

  228. Arun December 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Sam,

    Sorry to say but there is seriously flawed logic in your arguments.

    To reference O’Neil like that is like me saying, “hey give me 100K to start a coffee shop and then using Starbucks success as the main reason I’ll be successful.

    Beyond that, to dismiss 30% of his plate appearances as basically meaningless, is saying 50 games in the schedule don’t matter. Just badly flawed logic.

    Granderson hit 249 last year with a 329 OBP. He struck out over 140 times. His OBP against lefties was 245. I’m sorry, but that scares the crap out of me. Jackson has a very good chance to outdo those numbers in 2010 alone. This will go down as a bad trade in 5 years when all is said and done, IMHO.

  229. Ken December 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    The problem is Im not sure Granderson is a “star in the making”. I think hes a good player but he probably has peaked. Could we get another year like 2007 out of him? Yes. But I wouldnt be surprised if he is somewhat disappointing either… My point is I hate to give up Jackson for someone who isnt a sure thing. I would have tried to hold onto Jackson and moved another lower level prospect or two in the deal instead.

  230. Mark-Cant Touch This December 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Whitesoxs very interested in Matsui

  231. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  232. G-C December 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    I like this deal because it in a sense helps to mitigate our aging core. Between Granderson (29), Cano (27), Tex (30), and Swisher (29), we’ve now got four pretty damn good offensive players in or around their primes. Juxtapose that with three pretty ageless superstars (Jeter, Arod, and Posada) and you’ve got the makings of an outstanding offense for years to come.

    I would hate to see the Yankees undervalue, however, what Johnny Damon brought to this team. I think its pretty essential that he’s brought back, not only because of his bat but also because of what he brought to the clubhouse aspect of things. I don’t think a 2 year, 22 million dollar offer for a guy coming off one of the best seasons of his career (and leaving behind a contract with 13 million per annual value) is unreasonable. I don’t think Cash should quibble over a couple million as long as the deal is of reasonable length. And I think Damon would hold up perfectly fine over the next two years.

    What about Matsui? I also think it’d be a crying shame if he wasn’t brought back, but I realize at this point the chances of that seem pretty minimal. One of he or Johnny has to go, and it seems inevitable that given Damon’s ability to play the field it won’t be Hideki. But it would be extraordinarily foolish to underestimate what he brings to the table offensively- consistency, power, and balanced splits against RH and LH pitching. Then there’s the sentimental aspect of things. I realize at some point you have to put that aside, but would anyone really like to see him finish off his career anywhere but here?

    I also think its incumbent on Cash to make a move for a bullpen piece. Coke largely pitched better than his ERA last year and I saw him as a more valuable part of next year’s bullpen then most. He’s not a LOOGY, despite being cast as such- righties hit .223 against him last year. I realize as much as anyone that spending inordinate amounts on middle relief free agents isn’t wise, but think about the composition of our bullpen right now:

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Marte
    Aceves
    Gaudin? Melancon? Dunn? Other minor league arms?

    I think Robertson is perfectly capable of assuming the eighth inning role, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they brought in one more arm by trade or FA to inject a tiny bit of stability. Wouldn’t mind seeing Kiko Calero on a 2 year deal.

  233. Abdababdaserser December 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Dropping in a bit late with the talk of who the preferred for DH would be… Matsui would be my first choice, dependent on how much the cost of his contract would be.

    A few years ago I could see going for Vlad, but unless he was playing injured, he just isn’t close to being what he used to be with the bat. I would be hesitant to give Vlad a try. I agree with whomever said that he is slow. He looks as slow as Ortiz. I think Matsui and Posada would run faster than him. Even doing a three-legged race.

    I like the trade well enough. I liked what I saw of Granderson during the games he played against the Yankees. He seems like he is well liked and should be a very good fit in NY. With the batters the Yankees have, even if he has problems against lefties, he should still be OK. It seems like its something that can be improved upon, and while there was a period of time that I felt Long was doing a terrible job, I have modified that view and think he is probably one of the better hitting coaches out there.

    Long has helped Alex and Cano with their batting. No reason he can’t help Granderson.

    I don’t see Ian being a player who haunts the Yankees. He is in a different league with the trade anyway, and while I think he can have very decent success he isn’t likely to be a Mussina. As he matures he might very well improve and he has good control in his pitching, but a #3 pitcher would probably be the best he would be.

    Austin Jackson is the of course the tough on to lose in this, but his AAA average wasn’t great, and most players lose a good deal off those stats when they come up. Who knows. He might be great, but wasn’t breaking into the Yankees for at least most of next season, possibly longer. If he becomes that good, oh well, I just hope that the Yankees have other championships with Granderson before having to contend with seeing a former Yankee prospect looking great for another team.

  234. Dave in VA December 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Sam — I disagree only about point 2. I think AJax and IPK were enough of a price for Granderson; add Coke, and the Yanks should have gotten at least a prospect or a PTBNL too.

  235. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    .Curtis Granderson is going to put many a smile on Yankee Fans….You have to watch the players as well as reading the back of their Topps Card
    ====

    This is a curious comment. It’s not as though Granderson plays in the NL West or something and is some well-kept secret.

    I’m sure most baseball fans on this blog have seen an ample size of what Granderson is capable of. Surely, Yankee fans remember his power in the ALDS in 2006. He is in the AL Central, you know ;).

    GB7 – Hope you’re doing well after your busy day. BTW, I’m fine if Curtis’ triples turn into homers :D.

    Whomever said here that Cashman shouldn’t get credit for making this trade, um…he’s only the GM.

  236. Adam December 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    I feel like Granderson is a player that is really going to take us by surprise just like Tex did this season. We all knew how good Tex was when we signed him, but when we watched him on an everyday basis you really saw how amazing of a baseball player he is.

    Granderson strikes me the same way in that he could be a guy then when we watch him everyday, we truly are gonna see how great of a ballplayer he is and all the little things that he can do to make an impact on this ballclub.

    Or at least that’s what we all hope.

  237. squidward December 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    “Run prevention is just as important as run production to me.”

    Agreed. They picked up far more in run prevention with this deal than run production. If they bring back Damon, and Granderson replaces Matsui, they actually are a little worse offensively.

  238. squidward December 8th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    “Granderson strikes me the same way in that he could be a guy then when we watch him everyday, we truly are gonna see how great of a ballplayer he is and all the little things that he can do to make an impact on this ballclub”

    He’s not a great ballplayer. There’s no one phase of his game that is great. He does many things good to very good, but nothing great. Left handed pitching issues aside, he is a very good player.

  239. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Chad

    I’m wrong. I looked at the rule. I now understand it.

  240. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    That leads me to my question of:

    What are we going to do with the pick?

    Maybe a reliever. We kept Jose Veras for a while. We can find any number of men that can be better relievers than Jose Veras.

  241. David December 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    There was a time of great center-fielders. Once Snider, Mays and Mantle were all playing at the same time. Today is not an era of great CFs. Granderson is one of today’s better CFs, but he’s nowhere near to being a HoF candidate.

    Looked at one way, the Yanks did well to lock in one of today’s better center-fielders. It’s an upgrade from Melky/Brett.

    Looked at another way, we got a player who’s good, but not that good. Granderson is a much worse hitter than lots of corner outfielders.

  242. FoRealz December 8th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    The key this off-season is get Halladay. First reason is to ensure he doesn’t go to the Red Sux. Second is, him an Burnett are friends, when together in Toronto Halladay taught Burnett how to pitch not throw. I’d give up Joba or Hughes and the stud minor league catcher to get Halladay. Look at his stats. He is a proven ace. It’s all about stud ace pitchers in the playoffs. We have a great offense already.

  243. jake December 9th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Marlon Byrd would be a great fit now. So would Cameron.
    I figure that Damon is going to re-sign and Matsui will go off to the West Coast.
    Not my preference, but that’s what I think is going to happen.
    And, after Damon signs (for Abreu money), Melky is going to get traded.
    The Cubs like Melky.

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    hmm, Kennedy’s “ego” didn’t bother me. He’s young still learning, it was blown out of proportion. I like him, and wished he could have had another shot going into Spring Training, but maybe he’ll do better in another system.

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