Matsui officially on the Angels list
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On thing you have to respect and love about the Japanese baseball media: They leave no stone unturned. It seems that every baseball executive who takes time to talk is inevitably asked about Hideki Matsui. One of the latest was Angels general manager Tony Reagins.
“He’s a person we’ve talked about,” Reagins said. “But we have a lot of scenarios we can attack, whether through trade or free agency.”
There aren’t a lot of places where Matsui makes sense, but Los Angeles is one of them because of Valdimir Guerrero becoming a free agent. Brian Cashman has said the Yankees won’t make designated hitter a priority — which I think is the right decision — and you have to wonder if some other team could take advantage of that hesitation. If not, or if the market for Matsui is even more limited than believed, the Yankees might be able to get him pretty cheap.
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One other thing, the Granderson-to-the-Yankees rumors haven’t gone away completely.
UPDATE, 1:05 p.m.: Much of the Granderson blockbuster rumors have been coming from New York and national baseball writers, but now some Arizona writers are in on the action. Diamondbacks beat writers Steve Gilbert and Nick Piecoro agree that a deal is “close” to happening.
*Tip of the hat to MLBTradeRumors.
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If we get Granderson he’ll play CF, Melky would play left, and at Granderson’s price point, the Yanks might look to bring back Damon or Matsui as DH.
I disagree, Chip. I think the yanks would still sign Damon…but only at their price. There would be no need to cave to Boras in any way.
Well that’s true – they would probably turn to Boras and say 1 year 9 mil take it or leave it. And frankly I’m fine with that if he wants to take it and come on as the DH. I would actually prefer that because it would allow the Yankees to bat Damon 2nd and Granderson 5th
I think though that if he doesn’t then the Yankees can go a couple of different ways – they can sign Cameron to play LF, play Melky in RF and go with Swisher at DH (an outstanding defensive OF with Granderson in CF) or they could go with Melky in LF, Swisher in RF, Miranda at DH. Or sign a catcher (Benji Molina?) and put Posada at DH.
I want Matsui back in pinstripes.
Cust is an OK replacement.
I don’t understand Granderson for Jackson, when Jackson could become a better player than Granderson. Hes also 6 years younger.
Trisha-me too.
Why am I not surprised. Matsui-san really impressed Baseball ownership by his performance in the series. Show me a better left handed DH out there better than Hideki. I don’t think you can find one.
I’m fine with trading Kennedy, but I don’t think I would trade him, along with Ajax, for Granderson; let him go in another deal
At DH it’s matsui or no DH. They arent moving swisher to dh. the whole reason for not going for matsui is they dont want a dh. swish will stay in right, melky to left and granderson in center. if they get damon back, melky in right and swish back up …
Not sure where Olney’s getting his info, but, he’s got NYY getting Granderson and Edwin Jackson, but, doesn’t say who else was added to the deal.
“11:27 Nick Pietruszkiewicz: From Buster Olney: There were execs who were involved in discussions late Monday night about the possibility of a three-team deal involving Curtis Granderson, and one idea raised was that the Yankees would get both Granderson and Jackson. It is unclear whether this avenue has any legs to it. As talks broke up late Monday, two of the teams made it clear they weren’t happy with the proposal on the table.
Tuesday December 8, 2009 11:27 Nick Pietruszkiewicz
11:53 Nick Pietruszkiewicz:
From Buster: One of the teams involved in the proposed three-way Granderson trade continues to push the recast deal on Tuesday morning that would conclude with the Yankees getting both Granderson and Edwin Jackson.”
According to Heyman:
NYY gets: Granderson
Det gets: Scherzer, Schlereth, Coke, A-Jack
Ari gets: Kennedy, Ed-Jack
At this point I can’t see Arizona doing that. Scherzer and Schlereth are their Joba and Hughes.
gammons thinks halladay starts the season in toronto because the Yankees and red sox won’t give up the prospects needed
Not sure where Olney’s getting his info, but, he’s got NYY getting Granderson and Edwin Jackson
GB7 – I don’t trust the ESPN guys at all.
Why would anyone what to pay that price for Granderson, when that could probably get you started in talks for Hallday?
Gammons also heard the granderson deal was going to happen
No Granderson
Even with this possible trade . .The Yanks still have enough to get Halladay !.
I still think AJax, Dunn, Coke and Kennedy is too much for Granderson. Even Granderson and EJax. Halladay would be a better partner in that kind of deal. And if this does happen, you can bet the Jays would seek Montero in any trade for Halladay…
Granderson or Cameron for LF/CF.
Melky in LF/CF
Swisher in RF
Damon or Matsui or Miranda as DH (Yes Phil, I’m willing to consider Miranda)
Gardy as spare OF
my point being, if anyone is untouchable – it would be Montero. And if Ajax nets you a Granderson, then Halladay should net you at the minimum – a Montero.
And Halladay >> Granderson.
I don’t believe any of them. I just think it’s rather funny watching them try to out-scoop one another with the most bizarre “trade rumor”.
The Granderson deal is going to happen and Halladay will be a Blue Jay on Opening Day.
finally some scuttlebutt!
Yanks won’t do the deal unless they give up less or get more back.
Yanks aren’t trading Montero.
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 8 at 11:15am CST]
11:15am: Rosenthal and Morosi note that the Yankees and Tigers are open to making a Granderson deal and leaving the D’Backs out of the discussion. Still, the three-team talks are ongoing and fluid, with the Tigers requiring a “high-ceiling, close-to-the-majors center fielder” as part of the Granderson package. Austin Jackson could be that player.
ESPN’s Buster Olney says it’s the Tigers that re-ignited the three-way talks, and they’ve lowered their asking price.
At this point I can’t see Arizona doing that. Scherzer and Schlereth are their Joba and Hughes.
Schlereth is a reliever. He was a reliever in college too as I understand it. Scherzer is the best P in the deal IMO, but I don’t think he has quite the ceiling that Joba and Hughes have.
I don’t agree with much that Collin cowherd says but he’s dead on about Halladay
DaSaint:
How about –
Jeter – SS
Granderson – CF
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Posada – C
Cano – 2b
Swisher – DH
Cameron – LF
Melky – RF
An OF of Melky, Cameron and Granderson may hit a combined .245 but they also would probably be one of the best defensive OFs in the game.
Bob Kaplisch is indicating that the Yanks may be persuing Granderson with the Tigers mano-a-mano.
What did Cowherd say about Halladay?
The offer has to come down.
halladay would be nice, but not necessary. yankees can always go for harden/sheets, etc…
still would be sweet to see halladay in the pinstripes.
CC/Halladay.
Look out….
If the Yankees get Granderson then I don’t see them signing Cameron, but are more likely to sign somebody like Nady for LF and sharing that with Melky then signing Matsui for DH on a one year deal for 8M.
The price is too high… just say no…
If Detroit asks for too much, sign Cameron for LF. Austin Jackson can be a late-season call-up and earn the position next year.
Other options exsist as have been suggested by some here, such as DeJesus. KC needs catching, and we have a surplus of young catchers not named Montero.
Melky and Garnder for CF/backup outfielder.
Swisher in RF.
Damon or Matsui for DH. My preference is Matsui.
Damon wants to get to 3000 hits, and won’t be able to do that on 1 year deals. He needs a multi-year contract to give him the security to know that he’ll get that opportunity.
my point exactly
Looks like we’re getting Granderson.
God I would love to get both Granderson and Edwin Jackson.
Not very excited about Edwin Jackson, but if it happens it happens. He’ll certainly be cheaper than Halladay, though not as reliable (still skeptical about his emergence).
This trade pushes one of the Big Two to the bullpen.
CC-AJ-Andy-Jackson-Hughes with Joba to the pen.
What a waste sending Joba to the pen, but he showed a greater comfort level there down the stretch.
Another alternative is Hughes in AAA with Joba as the #5. But that’s a waste, too. Hughes can contribute at the major league level, but I’d rather have him building up innings in AAA than be a setup guy.
11:24am: More from Olney – the D’Backs are aiming to get Edwin Jackson and Kennedy in the deal. Olney speaks of “growing confidence on at least two of the sides” involved, and his sources have the odds of a deal in the 20-30% range.
I still think Edwin Jackson is going to the DBacks. But if we got him, I think we’d trade him.
If Edwin is in the deal, so is Joba or Phil IMHO.
Heyman updates the state of the trade:
# latest 3-way looks something like this: yanks get granderson; dbacks e-jax, i.kennedy; tigers scherzer, schlereth, a-jax, coke. 2 minutes ago from web
I dont’ see the Yanks getting Jackson.
Edwin Jackson is going to the Dbacks.
Erin, hopefully we win on this one. I no longer care about Johnny Damon since he allowed his hired gun to make him look like a mercenary; but Matsui owns my heart. I say bye Johnny, stay Hideki, and welcome Curtis!
That’s what I want under my Christmas tree.
Craw – I agree with your take.
Damn, I didn’t realize how much I missed Yankee stuff. But it has been a nice hiatus, especially at this busy time of year. I’ve been walking around RI in my gorgeous Yankees 2009 World Champions hooded sweatshirts getting both looks of admiration and dirty looks!
Did I mention that during the world series I was in Home Depot and when I came out to my car someone had keyed it? I have a Yankees license plate holder as well as the interlocking NY on my back window. Had to be a Sux fan. Just had to!
Craw, he basically just said that dominant starting pitching wins in the postseason and the Yankees and red sox are crazy if they don’t go after him.
Absolutely ridiculous. Granderson is a fine player…but at this cost?! Kennedy and Austin Jackson could be regulars by the end of the year. Absolutely ridiculous.
Lets be clear, the Yankees would not keep Edwin Jackson. In this trade scenario, he and IPK go to Arizona. Scherzer, Coke, and the other Yankee minor league pitcher go to Detroit. Yankees get some complimentary prospects from Arizona.
Personally, if the Yankees can deal only with Detroit, they could possibly flip Jackson to Toronto for Halladay. Just a thought.
Lauren,
Now that’s more like it. Scherzer’s a good pitcher from what I heard, surprised AZ would let him go.
Jackson and Kennedy still seems kind of pricey and the Tigers don’t look like they’re getting much.
AZ would be getting IPK and Edwin for Scherzer and Schlereth?
Absolutely ridiculous. Granderson is a fine player…but at this cost?! Kennedy and Austin Jackson could be regulars by the end of the year. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Austin Jackson will be replaced by Granderson. so thats a wash. Kennedy is a 4 or number 5 pitcher. That’ll be covered by Harden or Sheets !.
Don’t sweat it . We just got better
Kennedy is nothing special and Granderson is currently playing at AJAX’s ceiling PLUS pop.
Agreed Simon
I have a friend who is in the Tigers organization, and he loved the acquisition of Edwin Jackson last year and would hate to lose him this year. He did say, however, that word around the team is that Edwin loves the “party scene” around MLB. Who doesn’t, I guess, but maybe he indulges a bit more than most. Could be partly why he tailed off late in the season.
Knowing this, I would still want him, maybe some of the more mature folks on the Yankees could straighten him out. Or at least teach him to party smarter.
“Craw, he basically just said that dominant starting pitching wins in the postseason and the Yankees and red sox are crazy if they don’t go after him.”
Neither team really needs him right now. That could change come July because I don’t believe that “no trade” stuff from Halladay if one of those teams are ready to deal and the price for him as gone down. Or they simply wait for free agency.
Detroit wants a CF. That’s AJax. No Ajax, no Granderson. No flipping here.
Matsui is clutch, loved by the whole team, 6 RBI’s Game 6, hits lefties awesome..I know everyone knows that, just reminding….1 year 9 million, he needs to the DH next year for 120-130 games for the defending World Champion New York Yankees!!!!!!!…that sounds good doesn’t it!!
trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
December 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Erin, hopefully we win on this one. I no longer care about Johnny Damon since he allowed his hired gun to make him look like a mercenary; but Matsui owns my heart. I say bye Johnny, stay Hideki, and welcome Curtis!
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trisha, I hope we win too!! I can understand Cash not wanting to make DH a priority this winter, but I’m really hoping they can work something out with Sui.
i would be totally fine giving up ajax for granderson….as we all know prospects are just prospects, some project better than others…nobody can honestly feel that ajax will be a better player than granderson…even the granderson of last year…granderson still has a ton of upside at his age even coming off his down year last year…by all accounts he seems like a great guy and would fit in fantastically..just think about how much better the outfield defense would be with grandy in center and melky/gardy splitting time in left…makes my mouth water.
When I think about any potential Granderson deal my first inclination is to think about the swisher deal last year because of the following similarities
-both were/are coming off down years for them
-both previously were shown to be productive players
-both are salary dumps
-both are just shy of 30 years old
When looked at closely more similarities arise between Swishers 08 season and Grandersons 09 season
-both struck out a ton(Swisher, 135/ Granderson, 141)
-both had OBP in the area of .330
-both are capable of hitting 25-30 hr a year
Lets look at the differences
-Granderson L/R splits were horrendous
-Swishers where consistent
-Granderson is a better defensive player, steals more bases, and hits more triples than Swisher
-Granderson’s contract has him under team control for longer than Swisher’s did when we acquired him, although Swisher’s contract is a much cheaper one
All in all I think these are pretty similar deals with Granderson having worse splits but being superior with speed and defense, he does however have a more expensive contract. Based on this I find it a hard pill to swallow that we could get swisher for Wilson Betimet, Jeff Marquez, and Jhonny Neunez, and they say it will cost Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson, Phil coke, and Michael Dunn to get Granderson. A more equitable deal would be Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, and Michael Dunn.
My opinion
If the Tigers insist on including Jackson I would move on to talking to the royals about Dejesus, they have a catching need and we have three legitimate catching prospects in Cervelli, Romine, and Montero (although obviously I don’t think we should trade Montero) they also have a need for a CF so maybe Melky or Gardner (both of which would be cheaper then their potential alternative Coco Crisp and might give them similar value)
any way this is just my 2 cents
Brian, I was thinking along the same lines. Trouble is it would take more to get Granderson and Jackson from the Tigers.
Granderson is a nice cool guy. Fans will love him imediately.
Players make-up means more to the Yanks now than is past years. That plays into this as well.
Keith FL
December 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Matsui is clutch, loved by the whole team, 6 RBI’s Game 6, hits lefties awesome..I know everyone knows that, just reminding….1 year 9 million, he needs to the DH next year for 120-130 games for the defending World Champion New York Yankees!!!!!!!…that sounds good doesn’t it!!
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Keith, that sounds very good!
Doesn’t anybody think that AJax’s ceiling is higher than Granderson’s?
I think Granderson has a bit more pop, but A-Jax can hit for higher average, have a higher OBP and he’s 6 years younger.
Why aren’t people freaking out that Granderson strikes out so much like with Cameron yesterday. As we all know SO count as 1.5 outs while every other out counts as 1 out…..
That said I think the Yankees should upgrade CF. Everyone on the offense last year basically had career years. You can not expect that to happen again. CF seems to be the most obvious spot to upgrade:
If the Yankees get Granderson I will be thrilled
If the Yankees get Cameron I will be very happy
They are two of the best CF in the game so either will be great.
“The offer has to come down”
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no it doesn’t. Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and one of Dunn/Coke is completely fair
Why do we need to give up so damn much to get a player that hit .250 and is apperant that the tigers want to dump his salary? Dont get me wrong. I would love to get Granderson, but Ajax should be more than enough to land him. Hell, throw in Coke in the deal. But i think Kennedy could fetch us something more in another trade. Arizona seems to be getting the best of this.
Doesn’t anybody think that AJax’s ceiling is higher than Granderson’s?
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helll no.
Scherzer is apparently a good talent, and his splits are good, but he did pitch to over a 4.00 ERA in the NL West last year.
He is also only 10 months younger than Edwin Jackson.
Granderson totally blows from the left side…
in ‘09 he hit .183 vs lefties
in ‘08 he hit .259 vs lefties
in ‘07 he hit .160 vs lefties
in ‘06 he hit .218 vs lefties
meh… I’d keep Ajax over Granderson still… too much prospect love I’m sure, but he’s not considered a 5 tool player for nothing…
The size of Detroit’s outfield has a lot to do with Granderson’s high number of triples. YS isn’t condusive to high triples totals.
I don’t like it – AJax and Kennedy for Granderson? We lose our CF for the future (Granderson is not young – he’s not old, but he’s not young. If he hasn’t already started to decline, he’s just a few years away from doing so. What do we do then?) and pitching depth. How does this help our pitching?
Also, now we don’t have a real chip for Halladay…….
Why do we need to give up so damn much to get a player that hit .250 and is apperant that the tigers want to dump his salary? Dont get me wrong. I would love to get Granderson, but Ajax should be more than enough to land him. Hell, throw in Coke in the deal. But i think Kennedy could fetch us something more in another trade. Arizona seems to be getting the best of this.
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didnt paul o’neill have the same issues before he came to the yankees? he did pretty well for us.
Granderson circus catch to rob Hommer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrV5iF43tQ
“Why do we need to give up so damn much to get a player that hit .250 and is apperant that the tigers want to dump his salary”
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SOS: because Detroit is not just going to dump Granderson. There is too much competition among other teams for his services. And he is a perenial all-star CF (yes i feel comfortable calling him that) who is not a salary albatross
The price on Granderson has already reportedly come down, which, if true, would prove that the previously reported trade shouldn’t have been made.
NYY isn’t trading Gardner or Cabrera plus Romine or Montero to KC for an average left fielder like Dejesus.
Maybe the Yankees do not want Halladay
Maybe they do not want to give up prospects + pay a 33 year old 20-25 million a year when he is just going to be a free agent in a year.
Maybe they think since they do not want Halladay they would rather use AJAX to land Granderson. An affordable CF in his prime
Maybe the Yankees do not value prospects as crazy as fans do because a very very very small percentage of them ever pan out.
Crazy right?
“I don’t like it – AJax and Kennedy for Granderson? We lose our CF for the future (Granderson is not young – he’s not old, but he’s not young. If he hasn’t already started to decline, he’s just a few years away from doing so. What do we do then?) and pitching depth. How does this help our pitching?
Also, now we don’t have a real chip for Halladay…….”
Betsy,
We have our CF for the next four seasons which is a lifetime in baseball and by that time another CF for the future will emerge, like Slade Heathcott. If not then we can trade for some other younger CF playing for one of the other 29 teams. In short, there is too much time to worry about who’s playing CF for the Yankees in 2014.
In regard to Halladay for all we know maybe Toronto doesn’t even like Jackson or like him a lot less than Detroit.
The price on Granderson has already reportedly come down, which, if true, would prove that the previously reported trade shouldn’t have been made.
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Maybe…or it means Cash is doing his job and was holding out with the idea that he would eventually give in if Detroit was adamant. We have no idea…
“Austin Jackson will be replaced by Granderson. so thats a wash. Kennedy is a 4 or number 5 pitcher”
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exactly. and EDIT: Ian Kennedy is a 4 or number 5 pitcher in the national league (at best)
Granderson’s SO totals
2006 174
2007 141
2008 111
2009 141
wow.
Yeah, I don’t blame the Yanks for balking at the original reported proposal, but I still would include Kennedy and AJAX in the same deal to get Granderson.
So, my thinking, for what it’s worth is that now the Yankees should spin Melky to Atl for Rafael Soriano. The Braves really don’t want to pay Soriano what he’s going to get in arbitration while they have Wagner and Saito – maybe they bite on it.
Yankees can still bring back Damon, let him play LF, DH Miranda.
vinny,
I agree that he is an all star caliber player. I just dont think the Tigers have as much power in this as you make it. Most teams are salary dumping these days. Im not high on Ajax as most are. I think he has no power and strikes out too much to help us. Can he change that. Maybe. Im just not willing to wait for it. Prospects are crapshooots. So im fine with him going. I just think Kennedy should be off that deal and maybe throwing in Coke and maybe even Gardner should suffice.
Does Granderson Make us better . YES . he’s a great defesive player . with some pop and can flat out run. We get younger. We get better !
Heyman:
The blockbuster three-way trade that would send top young pitcher Edwin Jackson to the Diamondbacks, Curtis Granderson to the Yankees and good young players to the Tigers is being heavily discussed again, and one involved party said he believed it had a “50-50” chance of happening.
In the latest form of this trade, the Yankees, who balked late Monday night, would surrender slightly less. Now they’d be sending top outfield prospect Austin Jackson and reliever Phil Coke to Detroit, plus pitching prospect Ian Kennedy to Arizona, in order to land Granderson from Detroit. The Diamondbacks would wind up with the two pitchers, Edwin Jackson and Kennedy, while the Tigers would get Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Austin Jackson and Coke.
The Yankees and Tigers were believed to have been dissatisfied with the trade late Monday, and the removal of Michael Dunn from the deal seems to have allayed their trepidations. The Tigers still have to sign off, too, though.
The Tigers have been looking to pare down their payroll, and trading Jackson and Granderson is a way to do it. Jackson is arbitration eligible, while Granderson has $25.75 million and three years remaining on his contract.
To this point, the Yankees and free agent outfielder Johnny Damon seem to be apart in contract talks, with the Yankees looking to pay him about $20 million over two years and Damon believed to be seeking a four-year deal while trying not to take a pay cut from the $13 million a year he made.
If the Yankees get Granderson, they could still sign Damon, but it might mean trading either Melky Cabrera or Nick Swisher. Or they could simply let Damon go elsewhere.
to be clear…wasn’t granderson an 2009 all star?How can you call someone like that an platoon player..ridiculous
No Granderson
December 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Granderson’s SO totals
2006 174
2007 141
2008 111
2009 141
wow.
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How many outs is a SO?
How many is a GO?
How many is a fly ball?
How many is a sacrifice bunt?
Love Granderson. If this really happens I’m ecstatic. He will be a better player in Yankee stadium and as a Yankee than he was in Detroit and that cavern of a ball park.
That said, I think this deal takes us out of any Hallyday talk. I just hope this doesn’t make it easier for Boston to get Doc since we’re using a lot of bullets as rumored here.
If we get Jackson with Granderson it means we gave up a boatload of prospects.
I wonder if Jackson can be the headliner spun off to Toronto in a Hallyday trade?
Detroit’s home park inflates triples, but it hurts HR numbers. YS3 does the exact opposite. I’ll take a few more hr’s over a few more triples.
I admit that I haven’t been following hot stove at all – but I didn’t know we were even in the Doc sweepstakes.
While I know you can never have enough pitching and it is good to look to the future, with CC, AJ, Hughes, Joba, and Pettitte, (yes I made them all starters) do we really want to mess up the works? I don’t think you want Phil out of the rotation another year. That makes no sense. Same with Joba. Last I counted there’s no room for Doc.
Oh well.
Detroit fans want to package Bonderman in deal
but same fan said Granderson is the best CF in baseball -
“Also, now we don’t have a real chip for Halladay…….”
We do. It’s just nobody wants to part with any of ‘em.
The average SO’s for Granderson is 142 per season.
A bit high but not Dunn-like or Cameronesque.
We actually have a bunch of CF’s a few years behind AJack in the system.
I was not in love with a Granderson acquisition, but now that it’s a possibility I’m getting kind of excited.
He’s got lots of pluses, and really the only thing against him is the strikeout thing.
He’s young, he’s athletic. Exactly what we want. You can talk about being down defensively, but he’ll still be a better CF than just about any other feasible option.
It also allows us to cut bait with Damon. Love the demon, but it’s time. Cabrera to LF, Gardner as the 4th OF/pinch runner/defensive replacement. A lot different than Damon-Cabrera-Swisher.
Then the cherry on top, sign Hideki!
Why do people care so much about strikeouts?
“I wonder if Jackson can be the headliner spun off to Toronto in a Hallyday trade?”
Can’t believe the Jays would be that dumb, but you never know.
Is Damon really asking for 4 yrs and 52 mil??? hahahahaha
The real question is whether you value AJax’s upside more than what Granderson in his prime brings. To me, the look like identical players but AJax is a righty and is younger. IMO, I just keep what I have and don’t make the move but if Cashman thinks he can get what AJax does NOW then he will make the move. Kennedy being included doesn’t really matter too much to me. He’s nothing more than a 4th or 5th starter…and that’s if he rebounds from injury.
I’d pass on the deal if I were Cashman. That KC deal sounds intriguing but I’m not a huge fan of DeJesus…he’s a LF not a CF (similar to Damon) and he doesn’t steal ANY bases for someone of his hitter type.
“The size of Detroit’s outfield has a lot to do with Granderson’s high number of triples. YS isn’t condusive to high triples totals.”
GB7,
Granderson might not get 23 triples like he did in 2007, but he can still get about 8-10 with the Yankees and hit more than 30 homers because of Yankee Stadium.
Folks – I like Austin Jackson too – but I’m just going to throw out two names: Ricky Ledee and Ruben Rivera – they were supposed to be stud outfielders too, just like Jackson, and they never amounted to anything.
I have my qualms about Curtis Granderson but I KNOW he’s a Major League All-Star. He comes from a winning environment so the bright lights won’t spook him and he’s still young.
exactly. and EDIT: Ian Kennedy is a 4 or number 5 pitcher in the national league (at best)
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Thats what im talking about vinny. Hold on to him and flip him to the n.l. for something else.
Has anyone heard of Igawa being part of a package yet? That will be the best offseason move if its ever done.
Beret,
I only talked about about Montero to say we had depth of our own not to say we would trade him, and when I mentioned the other players it was more of a maybe they would take one of these one for one for Dejesus
and I think Dejesus is a little bit better then average considering his stats match up pretty well with damon through age 30 although Damon had slightly better power Dejesus has a much better arm.
I think our Hitting Coach will help him out alot also !
ok. Then with the “revised” trade Heyman mentioned the only difference is NYY would be surendering only Coke (and not Dunn)
Ground outs, fly outs, sac bunts have the potential to move runners. Strike outs just give up outs.
Errr. Sorry, that should be the hitting lefties thing.
“I don’t like it – AJax and Kennedy for Granderson? We lose our CF for the future (Granderson is not young – he’s not old, but he’s not young. If he hasn’t already started to decline, he’s just a few years away from doing so. What do we do then?) and pitching depth. How does this help our pitching?
Also, now we don’t have a real chip for Halladay…….”
you make it sound like we NEED halladay, which we dont…i know you love hughes so much, if your pushing a halladay trade you might be pushing hughes to the jays..
m-I know what you mean. At first I was like “if they get him, fine, if they don’t get him, fine”, but now I think I want him. LOL
And absolutely agree that Sui would be the cherry on top!
Rob Neyer on the potential deal(12:48 PM)
So many moving parts, I’m struggling to figure out who “wins” this one (I know, I know … they’re all winners). I do think that in three years, Austin Jackson will be a better player than Granderson.
How low has the writers’ voting/HOF sunk that they’ve voted Bill Madden in with the J. G Taylor Spink Award.
Chip
“Folks – I like Austin Jackson too – but I’m just going to throw out two names: Ricky Ledee and Ruben Rivera – they were supposed to be stud outfielders too, just like Jackson, and they never amounted to anything.”
Isn’t that a prospects are fungible argument? Every star in MLB was a prospect at one time.
“Has anyone heard of Igawa being part of a package yet? That will be the best offseason move if its ever done”
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SOS: i would say yes, except the calendar is too early for april fool’s
Vinny,
That’s correct. But Dunn would probably replace Coke as the pen’s second lefty. If you’re the Yanks, you really dont want to give up Coke and Dunn.
Chip, Soriano scares me. He’s erratic and prone to meltdowns. When he’s on, he’s on. But he melted down in too many games last year (I know because I had him on my fantasy team) for my liking. Meanwhile, he melted in a Braves uni. What the heck might happen in the glare of the Yankees spotlight?
Anyway, isn’t it a moot point at this point since he accepted arbitration?
“We actually have a bunch of CF’s a few years behind AJack in the system.”
Phil,
You’re so right, like I said, the Yankees don’t have to worry about CF for 4 years which is a long time for another CF prospect to step forward and make himself known to everybody.
Heed the words Curtis
New York, concrete jungle where dreams are made of
There’s nothin’ you can’t do
Now you’re in New York
These streets will make you feel brand new
Big lights will inspire you
Let’s hear it for New York, New York,
New York
Chip December 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Rob Neyer on the potential deal(12:48 PM)
So many moving parts, I’m struggling to figure out who “wins” this one (I know, I know … they’re all winners). I do think that in three years, Austin Jackson will be a better player than Granderson.
Can’t say I disagree. Stupid trade. We just won the world series with Melky/Gardner. They can’t wait a year to give Ajax a shot?
Rich in NJ
December 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Why do people care so much about strikeouts?
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dunno – why don’t you ask all the 2006 arod booers when he struck out a career high 139 times?
Rob Neyer probably hasn’t even seen Austin Jackson play so his opinion means nothing.
“Thats what im talking about vinny. Hold on to him and flip him to the n.l. for something else”
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SOS: I just don’t believe Kennedy’s trade value will ever be any higher then it is right now while he is with the Yankees. To lose him in a deal for a player like Curtis Granderson to me is negligable.
crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“We actually have a bunch of CF’s a few years behind AJack in the system.”
Phil,
You’re so right, like I said, the Yankees don’t have to worry about CF for 4 years which is a long time for another CF prospect to step forward and make himself known to everybody.
I’m sure the Yanks will just trade em away also.
Granderson is not young – he’s not old, but he’s not young. If he hasn’t already started to decline, he’s just a few years away from doing so. What do we do then?
He’s 28. That’s the early part of his prime. He’s not likely to decline for another 4 or 5 years. Plenty of time for the Yankees to develop Slade Heathcott or sign Adam Jones as a Free Agent.
“That’s correct. But Dunn would probably replace Coke as the pen’s second lefty. If you’re the Yanks, you really dont want to give up Coke and Dunn”
CountryClub: yes. Would prefer not to deplete the system of LHP’s
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
December 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Heed the words Curtis
New York, concrete jungle where dreams are made of
There’s nothin’ you can’t do
Now you’re in New York
These streets will make you feel brand new
Big lights will inspire you
Let’s hear it for New York, New York,
New York
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Thanks a lot, Uncle E. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head.
Chip,
You hit the nail on the head. Ruben Rivera was supposed to be the next perennial all star. He was as close to “can’t miss” as we had. The only thing he’s remembered for was stealing Jeter’s glove.
I can only imagine the cailber of player we could have traded Ruben for at the peak of his hype.
Granderson is an all star. He’s cheap. He plays the game hard. He’s a left with power and SPEED. And by all accounts he’s cool and a good guy and well respected in the game.
You trade the “what if” for him.
It’s just a matter of how much you have to give up. Losing Ajax for him is okay. It’s the cost of doing business.
I just hope that this doesn’t automatically take us out of the Doc sweepstakes.
Maybe Cash doesn’t want to have to pay Doc and give up the players or he already knows the prospect package for him is going to be too much so he’s using his assets to get Granderson?
Whatever, it’s a better OF with Granderson, Swish and Melky. If Damon re-signs it’s an even better OF with Granderson, Damon and Swish.
“dunno – why don’t you ask all the 2006 arod booers when he struck out a career high 139 times?”
Most people who boo don’t know anything about baseball.
Chip,
Excellent point. I think Ledee and Rivera were better than Ajax and more potential. Trading Ledee landing us Justice. Which in turn some championships. Ill trade young players for more championships all day long.
Neyer is the biggest moron at ESPN..
i agree that IPK AJax and Dunn and Coke is too much for Grandy with his flaws and 25mm salary commitment I’d like this deal better if we subbed Romine in and AJax out and Zona gave Chris Young to Detroit
so it’s NYY-Grandy and Schlereth
ZOna-EJax and IPK and
Tigers-Romine,Coke,Dunn,Scherzer and Chris Young
so we keep AJax but move Romine(don’t want to),IPK,Cokie and Dunn(i think he has a big year in the org this year)
The White Sox supposedly are interested in Matsui as well so there are a few places he could end up. It will probably come down to price – like it always does.
“I’m sure the Yanks will just trade em away also.”
If you don’t like your team trading prospects then root for the D-Rays.
“Neyer is the biggest moron at ESPN..”
Not so sure about that. There are so many morons there to choose from. Let’s just say that he’s high up on the list.
They can’t wait a year to give Ajax a shot?
Carl – can we agree that the Yankee talent evaluators know Austin Jackson better than anyone? It’s possible that they aren’t confident that Jackson’s value will ever get higher than it is right now.
Jackson’s a lot like Granderson – they both are good athletes; both strike out a ton. But Granderson has two things that Jackson doesn’t – power and Granderson is not just a major leaguer, he’s an all-star.
“Thanks a lot, Uncle E. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head. ”
I’ve had Alicia’s Chorus in my head since early Nov. I wonder why.
“Thanks a lot, Uncle E. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head”
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not a bad track to have stuck in your head : )
I think Kennedy would love Arizona. Any player would want to play in the majors. Closer to home. If this goes through, huge achievement for Ian (and Cash, lol) being that he had the aneurism surgery mid-season.
I like that Dunn feller.
Neyer is a moron? Thanks for the laugh.
“Jackson’s a lot like Granderson – they both are good athletes; both strike out a ton. But Granderson has two things that Jackson doesn’t – power and Granderson is not just a major leaguer, he’s an all-star.”
Chip,
One more thing Granderson is that Jackson’s not, a left-handed batter in Yankee Stadium.
“Is Damon really asking for 4 yrs and 52 mil??? hahahahaha”
My thoughts exactly. I think the potential leverage this 3-way deal would give the Yankees over Damon/Boras has him doing the only thing he can to counter it–SPIN. Obviously that contract isn’t even in the realm of possibility…when Damon was four years younger & playing CF that was the deal he got, now the market is completely different & he doesn’t have NYY & BOS bidding for him. It seems the less leverage his clients have, the more extreme the numbers that get “leaked”.
Granderson fits the younger/more athletic thing the Yanks have been talking about, and he has been killed by his home part. He’ll go off in Yankee stadium, and hopefully Long will get him to hang in there against lefties. It’s worked on Gardy and our other lefties.
Ruben Rivera – traded for Hideki Irabu
Ricky Ledee – traded for David Justice
Austin Jackson – maybe traded for Curtis Granderson
That’s a progressive improvement.
Ian Kennedy is the next Mike Mussina…
There are varying opinions on Austin Jackson’s potential, but Jackson hit a grand total of four home runs – four – last season in AAA.
Whatever you project his power potential to ultimately be, it’s highly unlikely he’ll ever hit for the power that Granderson will.
Granderson is not a perfect player – his platoon spilt is concerning – but a think it’s a deal the Yankees should make.
Jon Morosi:
One source says Tigers, Yanks, DBacks “closer” to deal. Others say more work needs to be done. But safe to say they’re making progress.
21 minutes ago from web
O.k. vinny im sold. Im glad they pulled Dunn off the table. Im just sad that Kay will never be able to say Generation Trey 100x in a telecast again.
Now lets getter done Cash!!
My eyes tell me that Curtis Granderson hasn’t yet met a ball in the field that he doesn’t track down, slide for, run for, tumble for, and ultimately catch. And he makes it look so damned easy.
My dream outfield – cannons for arms, makes field patrol look easy. I could be very content with Granderson and Melky in the outfield.
Any news on the love of my life, Jose Molina???
I’d add Roberto Kelly to that list.
Ruben Rivera had character issues. AJack doesn’t.
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
December 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
“Thanks a lot, Uncle E. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head. ”
I’ve had Alicia’s Chorus in my head since early Nov. I wonder why.
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It probably won’t go away anytime soon. When Jeter hosts SNL in a couple of weeks, guess who the musical guests are?
“Ian Kennedy is the next Mike Mussina…”
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you left out the punch line
There’s some rumor traffic saying this deal is getting close.
Is Granderson younger and more athletic than Austin Jackson? Are Ben Sheets/Rich Harden younger and more athletic than Ian Kennedy?
This whole thing is stomach-churningly awful….
“Granderson fits the younger/more athletic thing the Yanks have been talking about, and he has been killed by his home part. He’ll go off in Yankee stadium, and hopefully Long will get him to hang in there against lefties. It’s worked on Gardy and our other lefties.”
Phil,
If Long can get him to hit .250 against lefties that would be golden.
Just a guess here, but I am pretty confident that the Yankees might have a few people who know baseball fairly well. I could be wrong, but if the Yankees see this as being a move that helps their club I think they will do it.
I love this hot stove reporting. Its almost like hearing about a horse race, and the way it gets depicted creates strange pictures in your mind. Its getting close, it fell apart, two teams don’t like the deal, its back on, its heating up, its very close to a deal, it is on, it is off, it is a win by a nose. Jeeze. These things aren’t done in front of reporters, they also don’t have someone coming out of the room saying these things.
Its hilarious, yet it keeps you pumped up at the same time.
Maybe not Craw, but I still want Halladay. Someone else brought this up on another board, but adding salary through this trade, then with Andy – means no Doc. Man, I wish Halladay wasn’t a free agent so that I could get my hopes up, only to be deflated. If Kennedy is traded, then again – we have no pitching depth at all in the minors.
Chip
You first called Granderson a platoon player and now you can’t stop complementing him….
Make up you’re mind
vinny-b
December 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
“Thanks a lot, Uncle E. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head”
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not a bad track to have stuck in your head : )
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Agreed
trisha,
Sounds like Cashman is going with Cervelli as the backup. At least that’s what he’s saying publicly. That could just be a ruse to get Molina to lower his price tag although I can’t imagine how high his price tag could actually be.
“Neyer is a moron? Thanks for the laugh.”
ESPN is just Boston’s own network so as far as I’m concerned, anyone working there is a moron – even if they really aren’t.
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
“I’d add Roberto Kelly to that list.”
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Add Juan Rivera too. Oh wait…
Royals Considering Catchers
By Steve Adams [December 8 at 10:39am CST]
10:39am: Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star tweets that the Royals will “look at” Jose Molina as a possible starting option.
Craw,
Exactly. And he’s just a great fit. As of now, they’d move Melky to left, but who knows what else can happen if the Yanks get on a roll.
Granderson is certainly younger, more athletic, and cheaper than Damon.
And certainly more experienced and proven than Austin Jackson. (by all accounts Jackson’s a great kid.)
add Marcus Thames.
“O.k. vinny im sold. Im glad they pulled Dunn off the table. Im just sad that Kay will never be able to say Generation Trey 100x in a telecast again”
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lol.
I wonder if the baseball players pay as much attention to the Hot Stove like the fans do. You’d have to assume that those currently on the market do. I’m sure Damon is watching how this Granderson thing plays out. Ah, to be a fly on the wall.
Im just sad that Kay will never be able to say Generation Trey 100x in a telecast again.
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I would think this to be another reason why I would be glad for this trade to go down.
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Royals are looking at Jose Molina, I’m guess as a backup catcher.
m,
Granderson’s also a great kid. They have some similar positives.
Who was a bigger bust?
Pavano
Igawa
I believe it cost the Yankees the same amount of money.
One was always hurt.
The other hurt the naked eye and fans in the outfields hands when he pitched.
“you make it sound like we NEED halladay, which we dont…i know you love hughes so much, if your pushing a halladay trade you might be pushing hughes to the jays..”
Aha! I’m still waiting for Halladay supporters to tell me which current Yankee pitcher is out of the rotation next year to make room for a new starter. Last I heard plans were still in place for both Hughes and Joba to start.
Another beauty of getting Granderson is that it will allow Cashman to spin off Melky to another team while his value is likely as high as it’s ever going to be.
“10:39am: Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star tweets that the Royals will “look at” Jose Molina as a possible starting option.”
They need to look again. Josie is great as a backup, but he breaks down when he plays on a regular basis.
defense matters
December 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Beret,
I only talked about about Montero to say we had depth of our own not to say we would trade him, and when I mentioned the other players it was more of a maybe they would take one of these one for one for Dejesus
and I think Dejesus is a little bit better then average considering his stats match up pretty well with damon through age 30 although Damon had slightly better power Dejesus has a much better arm.
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He’s nothing like Damon. No power, little speed, poor steals/caught ratio is pathetic and doesn’t hit for an overly great average. His assists are as high as they are because they run on him not because of a great arm.
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
December 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I wonder if the baseball players pay as much attention to the Hot Stove like the fans do. You’d have to assume that those currently on the market do. I’m sure Damon is watching how this Granderson thing plays out. Ah, to be a fly on the wall.
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Laura, we know Bruney doesn’t. I think a reporter broke the news to him that he was headed to the Nationals. LOL
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
“I wonder if the baseball players pay as much attention to the Hot Stove like the fans do.”
Most don’t, but one thing about Granderson is that he is a really smart guy and a fan of the guy. Of course, he writes a column for ESPN so some here would think he’s a moron.
does anyone know what % of a regular (150 games) player’s at bats are v leftieS? 20% 25% 33%?
Edit: fan of the GAME
“Ian Kennedy is the next Mike Mussina…”
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you left out the punch line
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lol vinny. Here another one. Ajax is the next Hunter.
Granderson is a good kid. He’ll do well in the clubhouse.
“you left out the punch line”
Seriously, me too.
Kei Igawa, Andrew Brackman, and Eric Duncan for Granderson.
gERALD wILLIAMS?
“Most don’t, but one thing about Granderson is that he is a really smart guy and a fan of the guy. Of course, he writes a column for ESPN so some here would think he’s a moron.”
As long as that column isn’t about BOS, I guess I’ll give him the “moron benefit of the doubt”.
4 for 52 for Damon? he is smoking the same crack as the Tigers GM.
Why in the world would the Yankees trade for DeJesus and then trade Cabrera? Cabrera’s every bit as good as DeJesus. Not to mention cheaper and younger by 5 years.
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
“gERALD wILLIAMS?”
Bernie?
Thanks G. Love. As a Cervelli lover, I can’t see how we can lose either way. I hope that if Jose goes, some team gives him a good deal of playing time as their catcher. Teams could do a lot worse.
Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
There’s some rumor traffic saying this deal is getting close.
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where?
Neyer grades pretty high on the moronometer. Maybe he’s not the biggest, thay title probably goes to kruk, but he’s up there. the fact that he constantly trashes jeter has probably affected my opinion of him
“Laura, we know Bruney doesn’t. I think a reporter broke the news to him that he was headed to the Nationals. LOL”
True, Erin. Apparently, Bruney was under the mistaken impression that he was one of the Yankee untouchables. I do feel sorry for him. The Nationals stink. On the bright side, he and that Mets moron Rodriquez can rekindle their relationship in the NL.
abd,
It reminds me of those old batman shows. Where batman and robin get caught and are about to get killed. Then it ends with tune in same bat time same bat channell. It killed me to wait for the conclusion. I always thought. Are they finally doomed?
I wonder what Chad thinks of this.
crawdaddy
December 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“Granderson fits the younger/more athletic thing the Yanks have been talking about, and he has been killed by his home part. He’ll go off in Yankee stadium, and hopefully Long will get him to hang in there against lefties. It’s worked on Gardy and our other lefties.”
Phil,
“If Long can get him to hit .250 against lefties that would be golden.”
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if long could get Ankiel to hit .250 vs. Lefties that would be equally golden and the power bat is the same i actually think Ank has slightly more power than Grandy…defensively they are comparable but Ankiel can slide to RF with an absolute canon for an arm and wouldn’t cost us AJax and IPK which too me is a lot to give up for Grandy who’s production is trending down no matter how you try too spin it.
And as far as his instincts they are not that sharp which is why he’s not as good a basestealer as his speed would suggest he should be…..
Keep AJax
Bernie?
He’s on a different list. the Pantheon of Yankee Greats
“Diamondbacks beat writers Steve Gilbert and Nick Piecoro agree that a deal is “close” to happening.”
Is this the same as me saying that I’m close to hitting Mega Millions?
Glove, yep, I’ll bet we’re out of Halladay now…..and here come the Sox to swoop in on him. Sorry, but Lester/Beckett and Doc in the playoffs is ridiculous…….
roger(live from Amsterdam)
December 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Chip
You first called Granderson a platoon player and now you can’t stop complementing him….
Make up you’re mind
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Roger -
See my post above about me jumping on the Granderson bandwagon.
In all seriousness though – my biggest problem with going after Granderson was that I thought he was going to cost the Yankees Jackson and either Joba or Hughes and felt that was too much to give up.
I have no problem trading Ian Kennedy for a whole bunch of reasons, Phil Coke is a nice middle relief guy but the Yankees have a bunch of options there, and as I said, there are questions about Jackson and not nearly as many answers as there are with Granderson.
Great deal for the Yanks if it happens.
I still think we need another outfielder or DH even if this Granderson thing goes down.
Trade Melky or Gardner and sign Cameron, Damon or Matsui.
Looks like one of the lefties is out of the deal, and that we’re meeting with Casey Close about Ben Sheets.
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
“He’s on a different list. the Pantheon of Yankee Greats”
Right, but he’s one of those fungible Yankee prospects that some people here seem to think are all bad.
IF this deal goes down. The Yanks will need another Lefty in the bullpen. I know we hae Marte. but another lefty would be nice
We should know about the deal at 2pm est per Ed Price.
Losing A-Jax will hurt as we’ve been following him for a couple of years but C-Grand makes the team better.
He’s also one of those “great fits”. Just a real likable guy.
He’s also a college graduate. U of I, Chicago.
A gentleman and a scholar.
where did you hear that Phil ??
Phil-does this mean it’s really happening?
When Geral Williams and Bernie Williams were in the minors, a lot of people thought Gerald. Meanwhile, if Bernie didn’t hurt his shoulders and decline rapidly, he’d be a Hall of Famer.
Mike,
Ed Price.
while you guys spit out the names of Ledee and Ruben Rivera and Marcus Thames the guy that AJax most closely profiles too is Bernie who by the way also didn’t show much power in the minors….the power will come but he’ll probably be more of a 20 homer guy….His power looked pretty real last ST with the 4 homers he hit….
Chip
Ok I agree.Hughes or Joba would be far far too much.But A-jax,Kennedy and Coke would be a very good deal for the Yankees.
30 homeruns in Detroit are 35/40 in Yankee stadium…
I don’t get it…big whoop, we get to keep Mike Dunn. He’s not very much at all…..
Ben Sheets is not going to sign with the Yankees
“12:19pm: Rosenthal says the revised deal has the Tigers getting two players from the Yanks rather than three, with Coke or Dunn out. AOL FanHouse’s Ed Price tweets that the D’Backs and Tigers are awaiting signoff from the Yankees, and expect an answer by within 40 minutes.”
I love how people think they know more about A-Jax’s and Kennedy’s ceiling and potential more than the organization that groomed them.
This isin’t a trade being pushed by ownership, this is all Cashman. I think he has proven he knows how to evaluate prospects.
“Right, but he’s one of those fungible Yankee prospects that some people here seem to think are all bad.”
oh I see, I think the point is it is a crapshoot.
Don’t forget Ricky Ledee had a Huge post season for us in 1998.
Wily Mo Peña
Jackson Melian
Hey didnt Tabata have a higher celing than AJAX???? Yanks traded him pretty quick
“I don’t get it…big whoop, we get to keep Mike Dunn. He’s not very much at all…..
Ben Sheets is not going to sign with the Yankees”
Betsy,
You’re just a bowl of optimism today.
The Tigers and DBacks are just waiting to hear from us.
Guys I’ve been saying this since midsummer, a guy with a high strikeout rate that hits for average and little power does not translate well to the majors. He very well might develop more patience and power but look at previous examples of players that hit like he did in AAA. Very few of them work out in the big leagues.
Sheets is going to sign with whoever gives him the most money.
Don’t believe that Texas drivel. A FA as coveted as him is not going to take a hometown discount and sing for his supper.
I don’t agree at all that the Nats stink. In fact they went on a few runs last year where they won 7 or 8 games in a row. I think they closed out their season against the Braves that way. They just landed Pudge. Though he isn’t the Pudge of old, he still has some stuff left. I think they are a pitcher or two away from being a pretty darned good team because they do have a potent offense, especially with Zimmerman, Dunn, Guzman and Nyjer Morgan. Since they are my adopted “feel sorry for” team I have followed them pretty closely.
Hey, leave my Nats alone!!!
“Great deal for the Yanks if it happens.”
More than that, it’s a fair deal that should work pretty well for all three teams.
12:19pm: Rosenthal says the revised deal has the Tigers getting two players from the Yanks rather than three, with Coke or Dunn out. AOL FanHouse’s Ed Price tweets that the D’Backs and Tigers are awaiting signoff from the Yankees, and expect an answer by within 40 minutes.\
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....uster.html
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So the Yankees are the hold ups right now? Is it neck and neck down the stretch?
BryanHoch RT @ed_price: #Diamondbacks and #Tigers waiting on #Yankees to sign off on 3-way deal. Answer expected by 2 pm Eastern
Yanks traded Tabata cause he was married to a criminal and kept jumping the team.
IF this deal goes down. The Yanks will need another Lefty in the bullpen. I know we hae Marte. but another lefty would be nice
That’s why Mike Dunn was pulled back from the original deal. The Yankees will give him a shot at replacing Coke as the second lefty out of the pen I would think. Though to be effective he needs to get the walk numbers under control.
wait,
so Bernie is the only stud home grown outfeider tha yanks have had for the past 20/30 years??
Maybe they are due.
None of this Dr. Ruth stuff, Phil.
“When I think about any potential Granderson deal my first inclination is to think about the swisher deal last year because of the following similarities
-both were/are coming off down years for them
-both previously were shown to be productive players
-both are salary dumps
-both are just shy of 30 years old”
Yeah, but we gave up WILSON BETEMIT for Swisher. Not our #1 Prospect.
“Yanks traded Tabata cause he was married to a criminal and kept jumping the team.”
His wife didn’t steal the baby until after he was a pirate. ARRRRR!
Tom in NJ
Wily Mo Peña
Jackson Melian
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Pena was a victim of a ML contract that forced him on a ML roster before he was ready.
Melian saw both is parents die in car accident. That’s got to be tough on anyone, especially a kid.
Gaudin and Aceves were always our first 2 backup plans, Kennedy was 3rd tier.
If we had to go to our 3rd tier option, then we’re in trouble regardless. Ian Kennedy was supposed to save the day if we lost 3 pitchers from our starting rotation?
Detroit Radio guys are depressed about losing Grandy.
DBack beat guy Steve Gilbert says it’s close.
Grandeson is a great guy. There are some red flags about his recent stats though.
who is Ed Price?
Ledee and Rivera were busts, trade all of the prospects for “proven all stars”. Too bad we didn’t trade that Jeter kid when we had the chance. You can’t just point out the prospects that didn’t make it.
As far as all stars go Alex Rios was an all star and Toronto had to give him away.
Anderson Amador!
While we’re talking about “highly touted prospects”
Ledee, Ruben Rivera, Wily Mo Pena, Jackson Melian don’t forget these guys:
Brian Buchanan, Eric Duncan, Drew Henson, Ed Yarnell (Yarnell by the way was so highly thought of the Mets were reluctant to include him in a deal to the Marlins for Piazza and then the Yankees got him for Mike Lowell), Brandon Claussen, Russ Davis, the list goes on and on and on and on and on…
Betsy,
The fact remains we still need another veteran type pitcher on top of Andy.
Jackson wouldn’t headline any deal with Toronto. He’d be a nice secondary, but not a deal-breaker.
Joba + a combination of the prospects we have left. And they’re lots of good ones, Jackson was just the best known of the ones that aren’t untouchable. Lots of catchers, too.
“so Bernie is the only stud home grown outfeider tha yanks have had for the past 20/30 years??”
It looks that way Uncle. Heck, in the last 50 years there’s Mantle and Bernie and…Bobby Murcer.
Darn. If the announcement is coming in at 2:00, I’m going to be in yet another meeting. Hopefully it will go quick.
vinny-b,
Ed Price is a yankee beat reporter who joined fanhouse.
Yeah… the same Austin Jackson that strikes out 120 times in AAA and doesn’t hit for power is better than Granderson.
Jackson may very well be a good player someday, but at the moment, he still has plenty of holes in his game.
“Melian saw both is parents die in car accident. That’s got to be tough on anyone, especially a kid”
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yes. I can not think of any one thing happening, worse then this
Hey is there anyone out there that is going to answer my question. If not I have to assume that Betsy is the only one jonesing for Halladay.
Maybe then Betsy will answer the question. Who gets dumped out of the Yankees starting rotation in order to put Hallady in there? Your choices are CC, AJ, Pettitte, Hughes, or Joba. Once you answer that, put on the Yankee organization hat and tell me which one of those pitchers the Yankees would leave out of the starting rotation.
That’s what I thought. I might be wrong on this one, but no matter how great a player is, trades have to make sense in terms of the current configuration. Now if there is something I don’t know about since I have been away from all of this stuff, please fill me in.
Roy White and Tommy Thresh were very good homegrown OF’s.
“More than that, it’s a fair deal that should work pretty well for all three teams.”
Actually in my opinion, Arizona is getting fleeced here. Scherzer will be the best player in this deal going forward and Schlereth is a very good prospect.
Then you look at what they’re getting back. Ian Kennedy who might be a bit better in the NL but still a 4 or 5 starter. Edwin Jackson who’s peripherals indicate he’s in store for a big fall next year. Pretty underwhelming..
thank you, Phil
“It looks that way Uncle. Heck, in the last 50 years there’s Mantle and Bernie and…Bobby Murcer.”
How long have the Yankees been paying overslot for draft picks???
Who is Anderson Amador?
Tom in NJ
December 8th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
“so Bernie is the only stud home grown outfeider tha yanks have had for the past 20/30 years??”
It looks that way Uncle. Heck, in the last 50 years there’s Mantle and Bernie and…Bobby Murcer.
wow
I miss Bernie
Sounds like this deal is gonna happen. Wonder where they will stand on a Halladay deal then with AJax gone already.
“Jackson may very well be a good player someday, but at the moment, he still has plenty of holes in his game.”
Granderson has holes in his game as well. As of now, he can’t hit LHP.
“I love how people think they know more about A-Jax’s and Kennedy’s ceiling and potential more than the organization that groomed them.
This isin’t a trade being pushed by ownership, this is all Cashman. I think he has proven he knows how to evaluate prospects.”
Don’t you think that Detroit knows Granderson’s ceiling?
“-both are salary dumps”
Granderson deal isn’t a salary dump. They are getting a legit OF prospect and the best pitcher in the deal, who is young and under control for another 4-5 years.
Tom in NJ
Roy White?
Not a stud but a helluva Yankee.
“Roy White and Tommy Thresh were very good homegrown OF’s”
Very true Phil. I always forget about Roy White..
“Actually in my opinion, Arizona is getting fleeced here. Scherzer will be the best player in this deal going forward and Schlereth is a very good prospect”
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Patrick: unless they have a lesser evaluation of Schlereth (compare to the league). They would know their prospects better then anyone
Beret,
Yeah the Melky-Dejesus thing was dumb I plead temporary stupidity but I still think Dejesus is better then your giving him credit for and wouldn’t be upset at all if we got him for people not named Ajax/Montero/Melancon. He is after all
-a lefty bat
-6 years younger then Damon
-better defensively then Damon
-in Yankee stadium his Hr total will go up as its much short down the lines
Hey Chip, Ryan Church has been DFA’d
thought you’d like to know =/
How do you people even know Cashman wanted to give up Jackson AND Romine AND McAllister for a Halladay rental?
Cashman has said repeatedly that he doesn’t want to “pay twice” for a guy. How do you know Cashman even wanted to send his 2nd tier players away for Doc? Maybe he felt even that price was too high
I bet CC calls him first.
“Patrick: unless they have a lesser evaluation of Schlereth (compare to the league). They would know their prospects better then anyone”
So you would think.. that doesn’t mean they can’t make a bad trade. And if this goes through, it’s a very bad trade for them.
Roy White was a very underrated player because of era and park effects. Bill James makes a very reasonable argument that he was slightly better than Jim Rice.
Anderson Amador was a “5 tool” prospect the Yanks won a bidding war on several years ago.
nyp_joelsherman Med records being exchanged on Granderson deal. Yanks working thru final matters
1 minute ago from mobile web
Trisha, if the Yanks were to trade for Halladay then one of Hughes or Joba would more than likely go in that deal. That is where the open slot in the rotation would come from.
If they were to do the deal without one of the two, then one would go to the pen.
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
December 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I bet CC calls him first.
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I say Jeter.
Granderson can’t hit lefties, but Jackson can’t hit for power.
Granderson hits 30 HRs and strikeout
Jackson hits 5 HRs and strikesout… in AAA
trisha,
A lot of us want Halladay. A LOT of us.
Toronto would ask for either Phil or Joba. (or both).
I hope the Yankees hold on to Phil. I like Joba, too. But I really like Halladay.
Anyway, we’ve got 2 starters right now. Andy makes 3. By all accounts Cash wants to acquire another starter. That leaves one spot for Phil/Joba. If either goes in a trade then no problem. But if both stay, then you could go Phil in the #5, Joba to the pen. Or Joba as the #5 and Phil to AAA or to the bullpen (I don’t like this particular option, I think that Phil needs to be groomed to replace Andy).
Sherman reports Yanks have Grandersons medicals and are going through the final steps.
Detroit is getting too much for salary dumps.
I like this deal with Granderson replacing Damon. I also wouldn’t mind Cust instead of Matsui. The money saved allows the Yankees to really load this roster from top to bottom – all aspects – offense, defense, rotation, bullpen and minor league depth (Chapman).
So anyway, as someone who prizes defense I will be ready to kiss the ground WHEN we get Granderson.
Happy that I chose today to hang out, he he he.
Stick with me. Didn’t I guarantee a Yankee world series win when the season started last year? Well 2 in a row is on its way. Granderson is going to be part of it…
And there aren’t that many former Yankee prospects who have developed into good outfielders with other organizations – only two I can think of in recent history:
Juan Rivera and Jay Buhner.
“12:35pm: Olney now says this deal is close. Sherman says medical records are being exchanged on Granderson.”
can’t wait…feel bad about losing Ajax. =(
Granderson is one of the most liked clubhouse guys in baseball. Cashman always values those guys. He is like CC, fits perfectly here.
Erin
December 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
December 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I bet CC calls him first.
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I say Jeter.
maybe but Jetes not much of a caller, I don’t think. And I see nothing wrong with that. They may be friends though. Jeter is from Michegan.
Good Luck Ajax .. Welcome a board Granderson.. Good Move Cashman !
Trisha,
If the Yankees made a Halladay deal, either Hughes or Joba would go in the deal, thereby opening a spot in the rotation.
Yankee U,
The same GM you are ripping just put together a World Championship team.
I am going to go out on a limb and say he knows a tad more about every prospect in the organization than you do.
Curtis Granderson is a better player than Austin Jackson and probably will be for the next 3-5 years.
The Yankees are in the business of winning with known commodities.
Curtis Granderson is a known commodity and he makes the Yankees a better team IF this deal comes to pass.
Yea removing Dunn from the deal was a key for Yanks
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman
Rotoworld_BB # C. Granderson -CF-DET: Report: Yanks, Granderson deal “very close” 6 minutes ago from API
Rich,
Don’t you trust Cashman’s evaluation on this? He knows these players better than we do. Perhaps him and his scouts saw things in Jackson that they didn’t like and felt it was best to move him now.
It’s not like this is a panic move that is being pushed by ownership or something. We just won the WS. There are still OF’ers on the market. It is still early in the off-season. So it looks like Cashman had his eye on this one for a while.
Uncle E, true. I could definitely see CC being the first to call him, I just have a hunch it’ll be Jete.
Granderson seems a great fit for the yankees.But what do you guys prefer.Damon or Matsui?
options:
jeter,damon,texiera,rodriguez,granderson,posada,cano,swisher,cabrera
or
jeter,granderson,texiera,rodriguez,matsui,posada,cano,swisher,cabrera
Trisha,
If the Yankees were to trade for Halladay, either Joba or Hughes would obviously be involved in a deal.
What Cashman doesn’t want to do is involve both of those players in a deal. If Toronto offered Halladay for one of Joba/Hughes and a lesser prospect or two, he’d jump at the deal and rightfully so.
But theylikelihood is Toronto want both, along with possibly Montero. So a deal won’t happen.
The chances of Hughes and Chamberlain having a better career than Halladay are slim and none. Halladay is one of the top five starting pitcher in baseball.
If the price were only either Hughes or Chamberlain, every Yankee fan should volunteer to drive them to the airport.
A rotation fronted by Sabbathia and Halladay would make the Yankees the prohibitive favorite to repeat.
From Buster Olney: Source with knowledge of negotiations says Granderson deal is close to being completed 1 minute ago from web
So you would think.. that doesn’t mean they can’t make a bad trade. And if this goes through, it’s a very bad trade for them.
I agree – this is a dumb trade for Arizona – unless they have a reason to be worried about the long term health of Scherzer or Schlereth.
That said, I can kind of see it only because with the Dodgers going through what they’re going through the NL West is wide open and the D’Backs can now run out a top three of Haren, Webb, and Edwin Jackson and try to grab the division.
“Detroit is getting too much for salary dumps.”
Yeah they are getting a great deal but it’s mostly coming from the D-Backs. I think Jackson/Kennedy/Coke is fair for Granderson but the D-Backs are giving up two very good young pitchers for 2 mediocre youngish pitchers.
Stronger defense with Granderson, more pop..down year on career average. I would make the move as described by Heyman. Ajax could be agreat one, but I don’t see how you lose with all the pluses. Coke is a nice set up lefty reliever but not lights out and we have some depth in the minors there. We are not giving up much pitching depth. I think this move puts more presure to sign Andy Pettite and it might rekindle Matsui as the DH. Damon would be history.
Sounds like it’s going down.
James
I trust Cash, but I verify with my judgment. I think we would be selling low on IPK.
Even if I don’t like a deal, I root for it to work out.
If Jackson is a perennial all-star in 2-3 years, we will regret this move mightily
Melky doesnt hit enough to play a corner outfield position. The yanks still need to resign Damon. You can have Damon hit 2nd and Granderson hit 5th or 6th.
But this will kill any chance of getting Halladay by giving up Jackson and Kennedy. I bet Halladay will go to the red sox.
Even the off-season is awesome.
Jackson can only dream of being as good as Granderson some day.
And 4 years is an eternity in baseball. In 4 years, Jeter will be pushing 40, as will A-Rod. Burnett will be 36. MO will be 44. Teix/CC will be entering the latter prime years. Cano will be 31 already. Posada will be gone.
Again, we have a window to win now and you have to capitalize on it.
off topic: this MLB channel re-broadcast of Mark ‘the Bird’ Fidrych on monday night baseball with Bob Uecker annououncing is golden. Pure gold.
SI_JonHeyman yanks to get granderson, e. jackson, i. kennedy to dbacks, scherzer, schlereth, a. jax, coke to tigers.
2 minutes ago from mobile web
Off to my meeting. I’m going to miss the big announcement.
Heyman is saying Grand and Edwin are going to the Yankees – I like the deal that much more.
If Slade Heathcott is Bobby MurcerII we won’t regret losing Jackson at all.
Okay, now I get it. I wasn’t thinking of a trade with either Phil or Joba involved. Hmmm.
Doc just turned 32. I think he’s a great pitcher, no question.
No way do I give up either Joba or Phil Hughes. I’d take their years with their givens plus their potential rather than give up either one of them.
As an aside, I don’t fear boston with or without Doc. Their pitching is suspect at best. Nobody in their rotation has proven to be a sure bet. That would be nobody. Beckett is suspect at best right now. Nobody knows who Beckett is and which Beckett shows up. While they have the potential to have a good rotation, it certainly isn’t a guarantee. While I wouldn’t like to see Doc in boston, it wouldn’t shake me either. They need a lot more than Doc to become a viable team again. My opinion.
“Don’t you trust Cashman’s evaluation on this? He knows these players better than we do. Perhaps him and his scouts saw things in Jackson that they didn’t like and felt it was best to move him now.”
Maybe it’s just Cashman recognizing that you have to give something to get something rather than any issues they have with Jackson. This isn’t an afront to Jackson, IPK, and Coke and their respective skillsets/projections. It’s Cashman moving some good to potentially very good young players to get an estasblished centerfielder.
Mets fans freaking out!
metsgrrl says “i will bang my head into the desk repeatedly if granderson goes to the bronx.”
I want to see the look on RSN’s face when this goes down
Trading IPK low is more of a big deal to me than trading Jackson.
You pretty much had to trade Jackson to get Granderson, so that is a given in the deal. Coke is no biggie at all.
Ian Kennedy is coming off an anyerusm and is a back end of the rotation starter at best.
Phil Coke is a lefty relief pitcher who has the nasty habit of giving up a lot of HR’s to LH hitters.
Austin Jackson has potential and LOTS of holes in his game.
If the Yankees give up those 3 guys, and get Curtis Granderson, one of the 5-6 best CF’ers in the game, that’s a GREAT deal for the Yankees.
It makes them younger, more athletic and BETTER.
It also puts all the onus on Johnny Damon to either take the Yankees offer or they move on.
In other words, they won’t have to overpay to keep Damon.
They still have ALL of the chips necessary to do a Halladay deal of so inclined since the Jays weren’t enamored with Austin Jackson.
wait Yanks get E> Jackson too?
PRPaulyMike December 8th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Heyman is saying Grand and Edwin are going to the Yankees – I like the deal that much more.
How can this be????
He better hit more than .249 here
I don’t understand the detractors of this deal.
We’re trading a guy who we hope someday becomes Granderson FOR Granderson himself, in his prime on a cheap (by our standards) contract.
We’re not trading Jackson for some over the hill NL pitcher, we’re trading him for an already established young CF.
who says were getting edwin jackson? havent seen that anywhere
Austin Jackson is an all star in 2-3 years? LOL Is that joke?
He’s going to be in AAA next year.
Unless he’s an all star in his first 1-2 years in the majors, that’s a dubious prediction at best.
I’d say there is a 99% chance he’s not an all star, unless its a AAA all star, in 2-3 years.
Name one bad *TRADE* Cashman has ever made?
Read Heyman’s tweet again… he punctuated it wrong. Jackson and Kennedy go to AZ
BREAKING NEWS
S.I.’s Jon Heyman: # yanks to get granderson, e. jackson, i. kennedy to dbacks, scherzer, schlereth, a. jax, coke to tigers. 6 minutes ago from mobile web
“They still have ALL of the chips necessary to do a Halladay deal of so inclined since the Jays weren’t enamored with Austin Jackson”
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agreed.
JoeyA
December 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
If Jackson is a perennial all-star in 2-3 years, we will regret this move mightily
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what insight you have…
“Melky doesnt hit enough to play a corner outfield position”
He does when you get high end production from C and SS, which are positions many teams don’t see great production.
can someone explain how it makes sense to trade one of our top prospects for a hitter who he may turn out to be better than? granderson is a decent outfielder but he is very streaky and cant hit lefties. id much rather have damon and keep jackson. if were trading jackson it should be for halladay. and edwin jackson is alright he had a very good year but slowed down toward the end. he also did not fare well during his time in the AL east with the rays
PL,
Where did you see this?
You guys are misreading. Or rather, he did a bad job of punctuation. The commas are in wrong places. Yanks only get Granderson
Where’s Doreen? Oh, she’ll be so mad if she doesn’t check in and finds out the deal went right past her. She was asking for something, anything! Looks like she’ll get it.
“Ian Kennedy is coming off an anyerusm and is a back end of the rotation starter at best.
Phil Coke is a lefty relief pitcher who has the nasty habit of giving up a lot of HR’s to LH hitters.
Austin Jackson has potential and LOTS of holes in his game.
If the Yankees give up those 3 guys, and get Curtis Granderson, one of the 5-6 best CF’ers in the game, that’s a GREAT deal for the Yankees.
It makes them younger, more athletic and BETTER.
It also puts all the onus on Johnny Damon to either take the Yankees offer or they move on.
In other words, they won’t have to overpay to keep Damon.
They still have ALL of the chips necessary to do a Halladay deal of so inclined since the Jays weren’t enamored with Austin Jackson.”
can i get this laminated and posted on treepoles!
Heyman put a comma rather than a period after Granderson. He meant we get Granderson and Jackson and Kennedy go to Arizona.
“He better hit higher than .249 here”.
Or what, you going to hold your breath and turn blue?
Nick Swisher didn’t hit higher than that and was a big reason why they won a championship.
Batting average is no way to judge a player. On the list of things you use to judge a player, BA is far down the list.
Phil Coke another one from the Penthouse to the outhouse!
Oh well as long as Joba ,Phil are staying,and Boras gets smacked for his greed alls well!
Per Sherman -
Removing Dunn from deal was key for #Yankees
11 minutes ago from mobile web
If the Yankees get both Jackson and Granderson, Detroit was just raped. You read it here first.
I think they misread that, i think he wrote e jackson and kennedy to the dbacks
Yankee U
December 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
He better hit more than .249 here
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least important offensive statistic in baseball. If he produces at a high level his AVG is meaningless.
Maybe we hade the wrong Jackson going to Tor
SI_JonHeyman teams in agreement on trade. assuming medicals check out, it’s a go.
1 minute ago from mobile web
BREAKING NEWS
S.I.’s Jon Heyman:# teams in agreement on trade. assuming medicals check out, it’s a go. 1 minute ago from mobile web
Granderson is a decent outfielder?
Granderson had a .861 OPS away from Comerica last year. He also hit 31 homeruns despite playing half his games in a cavernous park.
Coke is a fungible reliever. Jackson hit four home runs in AAA last year. No one in baseball considers him an elite prospect. Kennedy’s ceiling is that of a no. 4 starter.
This is a good deal for the Yankees. It really is.
“He’s going to be in AAA next year.”
Would have been if he stayed a Yankee, but now I wonder.
Deal is done pending medicals, per Heyman.
Great deal for the Yanks. Granderson is athletic, young-ish, and a good guy. That type of thing is important. He can handle NY also.
This doesn’t mean Damon is gone… just that he is at our mercy now. Granderson could always replace Melky.
“They still have ALL of the chips necessary to do a Halladay deal of so inclined since the Jays weren’t enamored with Austin Jackson”
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worth the re-post
Matt December 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
PL,
Where did you see this?
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman
Jay Buhner was a homegrown Yankee OF sent to Seattle for Phelps.
Johnny Damon will not be back. It’d be Matsui at DH or Cust.
SJ44,
I agree with your take on this one. It’s a good move for the Yanks. I don’t want to downplay Austin Jackson’s talent but I’d like to point out, as early as this summer I was talking on this blog about how guys like him don’t translate well to the majors. If you strike out a lot but don’t take a lot of walks or hit a lot of HR’s it really doesn’t bode well for a future in the MLB.
He may very well overcome his problems and become a very good player but I think it is extremely likely that Jackson is never more than an average major league player.
Correction – Yanks just to get Grand.
What is so special about Dunn? He can’t hit the side of a barn – and he’s not 20 years old. Why does Cash think he’s going to harness his stuff?
I’m not happy……
What is the fascination with Edwin Jackson? Maybe he’ll be used as a trade chip for Halladay?
Granderson is more than a decent outfielder, hell yes. Mel, where have your eyes been? Aren’t you always the one who believes what her eyes tell her?
Name one bad *TRADE* Cashman has ever made?
Juan Rivera, Randy Choate and Nick Johnson for Javier Vazquez
Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey and Dioneer Navarro for Randy Johnson
Ted Lilly, John-Ford Griffin and Mark Arnold for Jeff Weaver
Jeff Weaver and Yhency Brazobahn for Kevin Brown
and until Marte pitched well in the postseason this year – the deal of McCutchen, Ohlendorf, Karstens and Tabata for Marte and Nady wasn’t looking too good either.
pretty exciting !
Granderson is an ATTROCIOUS defender.
Didn’t anyone listen to Francessa last week about how he cost the Tigers games with his horrible defense down the stretch?
He makes the occasional circus catch, but his fundamentals in the field are pretty brutal.
So if this goes through, will they look to a low cost guy like Nady as a righty bat for DH? Or will this open up the DH slot for Matsui on a one year contract since he hits lefty pitching well?
Not a fan of this deal. We would be better off signing Cameron or Ankiel for a year or 2 and get near Gold Glove defense for 5-10 million and not give up any prospects.
Keep your chips… Remember, the Yankees still need another OF next year after Swisher’s contract is up. I highly doubt he’ll be signed to another deal.
Long term implications of Grandy deal because Cashman is always thinking 2-3 years ahead:
If the Yankees do in fact land Granderson as it seems they will not have to go out and overpay for Carl Crawford next offseason and in turn pay for his decline.
While the Yankees are trading prospects Granderson is allowing them long term to get younger, cheaper, and more athletic.
“Deal is done pending medicals, per Heyman.”
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:48pm: Heyman tweets that an agreement has been reached, with only medicals pending.
See ya Ajax!!
Jay Buhner was only partially homegrown. We got him in a trade.
Yankees are not getting E. Jackson. The Diamnondbacks are not giving up 2 players to get I. Kennedy.
I don’t like this deal at all unless the Yankees are getting some major prospects back.
Granderson is NOT a difference maker. I can’t believe Cash is making this deal. And it’s going to look bad immediately when Granderson has to sit against lefties.
How many of you in favor of this deal now are going to be screaming on April 21st when Granderson is hitting under .200 vs. lefties?? I really hope you come back then and tell us how great this deal is.
If we get edwin jackson then Id feel differently.
Craw, I don’t like the deal….I think it’s stupid to give up Jackson and Kennedy. Plus as I said, I’m bummed. I’m glad most of you are happy, though.
my mouth is watering — Granderson is a YANKEE!!!!!
Does anyone have an idea who the Yanks want in the Rule 5 draft? They purposely traded for the first pick so they must have a player in mind who they plan on keeping on the 25 man roster. I can’t imagine that they will pass on their pick now (which would say alot about Bruney).
What about Damon? I want Damon in LF!
SouthPaw-
Swisher’s deal expires after the 2011 season.
Because you don’t give away a high ceiling arm like Dunn unless you have to. And Cashman got the Tigers to soften on him. That is good negotiation. No need to give a guy like Dunn away.
That said, I am more than content to keep Melky as one of our outfielders.
“Granderson is an ATTROCIOUS defender.
Didn’t anyone listen to Francessa last week about how he cost the Tigers games with his horrible defense down the stretch?
He makes the occasional circus catch, but his fundamentals in the field are pretty brutal”
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well no ones as good as Nate McClouth. At any rate this report comfirms it – Granderson is an excellent outfielder
IF this is GRAND and JACKSON for
AUSTIN JACKSON
KENNEDY
COKE and
?
I think you do the deal…………..
This gets us young players and they are productive and know the AL EAST as well…..
Love this deal especially if it’s true that Toronto was not high on Ajax. That means we’re still in the mix for Doc.
You will love Granderson as our CF. The guy plays hard every day and will be a fan favorite.
Prospect huggers need to let go of the Ajax fantasy. Cashman would not be making this deal if he thought Ajax would be Granderson-esque in the next 2 seasons.
And boy, Cash is just opening all kinds of spots on the 40 man…I like it.
Cameron or Ankiel -
Um .. i’ll pass !
Your getting an ALL-Star centerfielder on the cheap for 3 years at a great price.
I like this deal! IK and coke are nothing special!
AJAX can be very special!
But we want to win right now!
“At any rate this report comfirms it – Granderson is an excellent outfielder”
Per Jerry Crasnick (again don’t put too much stock in ESPN) Yankees now focused on Mark DeRosa to play LF
SouthPaw — swish is signed through the 2012 season (three more years).
We can still get Doc, folks.
Hughes or Joba will always going to be part of the deal, realistically. Cashman probably recognized this. So even if the Sox decide to try and “steal” Doc, all we need to do is put one of the pitchers on the trade, and he is ours.
trisha,
That was sarcasm. @ someone who said he was a decent fielder, but….
Whatever, looks like he’s coming. People need to get on board.
What I really like is we have stolen base threat in the starting lineup.
RayVT
December 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Jay Buhner was a homegrown Yankee OF sent to Seattle for Phelps.
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Well, sort of. NYY got Buhner from Pittsburgh in 1984. NYY also got Dale berra and a pitcher in the deal for Tim Foli, Steve Kemp and money.
Since prospects never pan out I would certainly like to see the Yankees trade Montero, Hughes, and Joba for Roy Halladay.
Granderson=#28
Great deal!
how is granderson “not a difference maker”? i think thats funny
So Coke wasn’t the real thing after all, huh?
Funny how Coke was going to be dealt when the Nady/Marte deal was going down, but the Pirates didn’t want him.
He pitched well for the Yankees in that year and everyone laughed about how the Pirates passed on him. This year Coke seemed to have the propensity to give up HRs to the lefty batters that he was supposed to get out.
Very very good deal. We still need another hitter though. I say, sign Cameron since he can play CF when we are facing a lefty and stay in LF when a righty is starting.
My ideal offseason would go like this:
1. Finish this trade with Detroit/Arizona
2. Sign Pettitte
3. Sign Cameron
4. Sign Sheets to an incentive laden deal
DONE
Mike Francesa knows nothing about baseball. If he believes Curtis Granderson is a bad OF, its just more verification of that fact.
Betsy,
How can you not be happy? The Yankees didn’t give up a single player in that deal who will greatly impact 2010.
The chances Austin Jackson becomes a better player than Curtis Granderson are slim and none.
Guys who are athletes first and baseball players second, which Jackson is, have two big hurdles to overcome to become good major league players.
One, their instincts aren’t good because they haven’t played baseball for their entire lives. Little things, baserunning, good reads on balls, certain hitting instincts, etc, just aren’t there.
Some guys (Bernie Williams for example) overcome it. Most don’t.
Bernie’s advantage was that he was a switch hitter. A guy who swings and misses as much as Austin does from the right side, has a big hill to climb in that area.
Coke and Kennedy are just spare parts.
Give me Granderson, with Kevin Long plugging the holes in his swing, and I make that deal 100 times out of a 100.
Add to it, he’s one of the quality guys in the game. You add another character guy to an already high character locker room.
A great deal for the Yankees.
This is a bad deal. The Tigers are getting a wealth of young talent in return for an outfielder who hit .250 last season and a pitcher who had one good half of a season.
“He better hit higher than .249 here”.
Or what, you going to hold your breath and turn blue?
Your astute wisdom boggles the mind SJ.
The only reason Swisher got away with it is that he helped carry the team at the start of the season when he was hot. We also gave up less than nothing to get him.
robtom
I agree that the Tigers are getting way too much.
Like this move for the Yanks if it indeed finalizes. AJax ceiling in the bigs very well could be Granderson and we just acquired him and have him cost-controlled for 3 years. Plus, we can still be in on Damon if the price is right or look at DeRosa. Granderson is a HUGE upgrade for us in CF!!
Austin Jackson is a fine prospect – I won’t be degrading him now just because the Yankees traded him. But he is still also a work-in-progress who needs to iron out his swing and complete the package.
Phil Coke, although useful in his own way, should never block any trade.
Ian Kennedy is still very intriguing with his mix of command and solid overall stuff.
Giving up Jackson & Kennedy is risky – but we know the old adage: If you want to get something, you have to give up something. I think Granderson is worth getting – good contract, left-handed power for the ballpark, etc. He hasn’t been good at all vs. lefties (except for a spike in his numbers in 2008, I believe)…so we’ll see. As always, if someone has bad platoon splits, you want those splits to trend towards having difficulty with left-handed pitchers.
I’m not sure if this was mentioned before but bringing curtis granderson in will cause HUGE problems in the yankee clubhouse…
why?…
because he wears #28 – girardi will be majorly upset!!!
Do we really want an upset GI Joe?
the way I see it…its a 2 year approach to revamp the outfield with speed…
granderson this winter
crawford next winter
Not sure why some think this is such a bad move
-Granderson is going to replace Ajax. thats a wash
and
Kennedy is a rehabing 4 or 5 in the NL. He’ll be replaced by Sheets or Harden.
Both Jackson and Kennedy for Granderson is too much. Jackson + Coke + somebody or Kennedy + Coke + somebody, sure. Or Jackson, Kennedy, Coke, etc. for both Granderson and Edwin Jackson.
“He’ll be replaced by Sheets or Harden.”
Who may need to rehab as well.
Deion Sanders
Don Mattingly played OF in 1982
I still feel like we should be getting at least 1 of the Dback prospects that are going to the Tigers.
Well… Hope damon likes pay cuts… either that or the Dodgers or someone might overpay for him…?
I like the deal, Kennedy and AJax have potential, which is why this deal worked. The other teams won’t take garbage for established ML talent. IPK would have to beat hughes and joba for a rotation spot, and AJax isn’t ready, and not a sure thing he’ll be better than Granderson is now.
Granderson is overrated. He strikeouts a TON and hits .219 against lefties. Why didnt the Yankees offer Damon arbitration and stick with him for year? It would have given A-Jax some more time at AAA and it would have allowed the Yankees to pursue Carl Crawford in the off-season.
No Pain No Gain! Sure we like our prospects, but I believe Ian & AJ will both be very good, but Granderson will too. I like him in a Yankee Uniform. Coke has an upside as well and will benefit from a new team and start. Yanks just made an upgrade at CF and defensively in the OF.
Congrats again to Cashman.
While I’m on record as saying that I didn’t want to trade Kennedy, as I believe he has as much upside as Hughes and Joba – yes, as much as, I do understand that you have to give to get. Jackson also has potential and I wish him well. At least he’ll most likely make the team out of Spring Training, earlier than had he stayed in the Yankee organization.
Kennedy wasn’t going to get a shot at the rotation anytime soon. 2010 would have been a AAA year for him, as he rebuilds his arm strength and rebuilds his innings.
Coke was nice, but definately replacable, so overall, not a bad deal. I’d say that Detroit made out very well. I would have preferred if the Yankees came back with at least a prospect as part of the deal, but the thinking must be that none of the available prospects in the other systems (excluding the ones in the deal already) are better than what we have.
I think Granderson is going to be a better hitter behind Jeter assuming you bat Curtis 2nd. The Yankees needed to get a credible CF which Melky wasn’t really. More speed and youth for years to come. Kennedy was not lights out in AFL, Coke was up and down all year giving up many HRs, Ajax wasn’t ready this year, and would have struggled, certainly no more than you’d get from Curtis. Curtis is also a class act. Yankees not dependent on Damon anymore. Lets get sign Matsui-san now!
Matsui in Japan is like A-Rod in the US.
120 Yanks games were broadcasted in Japan this season.
Yanks revenue such as the fee to broadcast right, commercial plates in stadium for the broadcast and sales to Japanese tourists/residents only for Matsui was calculated $15 million.
He is getting more commercial offers he cannot perform in this off-season.
So, he must show up as much as possible next season.
According to the survey of a Japanese sport magazine, he should choose Yanks; 20% and other MLB team; 6o%.
He shall consider Japanese side’s opinion and had better move with more than above-mentioned $15 million next season.