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Roster is set for the Rule 5 draft

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Even after a three-for-one trade, additional players within the Yankees organization cannot be added to the 40-man roster for protection from the Rule 5 draft. Players acquired in a trade can be protected, but the Yankees’ chance to protect their own came and went on November 20.

That means the same guys who were Rule 5 eligible yesterday will still be Rule 5 eligible on Thursday. The Yankees can’t protect Colin Curtis now that they’ve traded Austin Jackson. The trade does kind of make the Curtis Rule 5 situation a little more interesting. Beyond him, there really aren’t a lot of could-be-called-up-for-outfield-depth options in the upper levels of the system.

The good news for the Yankees is that I’ve heard Rule 5 infielders stick as much as three times as often as outfielders. I honestly don’t know if that’s true, but that’s what a minor league guru once told me. It helps explain why the Yankees protected three infielders, but left Curtis exposed.

UPDATE, 6:55 p.m.: There has been some discussion about the Yankees possibly taking one of their own players in the Rule 5 draft, and then sending him directly to the minors. Over at Baseball America, Jim Callis actually touched on the rules of sending a Rule 5 pick to the minors. He even specifically mentioned what happens when a Rule 5 pick is traded.

 
 

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121 Responses to “Roster is set for the Rule 5 draft”

  1. Roberto for Paul December 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Chad- couldn’t the yanks “protect” Curtis now? Just have Wash select him as the PTBNL?

  2. Gmarchesej(Yanks and More) December 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Can the Yankees take Wang in the rule 5 draft, meaning from the Nationals if they take him?? Is he not eligible, does anyone know??

  3. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Then I guess the Nationals will take Curtis and give him back to us. And we do not have to have him on our 40 man.

  4. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Hi Yankee people-

    I just looked at some of todays comments. I don’t know who that “Erica” was posting today, but it wasn’t me….

    Don’t be confused.

    And I would NEVER use the word hottie!

  5. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    The question in my head now is whether the Yankees will pursue Halladay or Holliday? Or is this Granderson deal the pinnacle of excitement for the entire off-season?

  6. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Hot stove show now on MLB Network.

  7. Brian NYY December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    The Yankees must value Slade Heathcott A LOT now. He is the dreaded ‘OF of the future’ now.

  8. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I think they sign Damon, acquire Halladay and trade Melky.

  9. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    So what is the deal with this rule 5? I have to think we traded for that top pick in it for a reason. Do we have a target? Are we gonna spin it off to someone else? When is the rule 5 draft?

  10. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    The Yanks like Abe Almonte a lot, too. They’ve also like Zolio Almonte for a few years. Then they have a bunch of toolsy CF’s down at the Dominican Academy.

  11. Carl C. December 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Ryan Westermoreland = Ken Griffey in the 90s?

  12. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    If Halladay’s trade value goes down I could see a trade. But if it doesn’t then I don’t see one. Cashman won’t give up Hughes and Montero.

  13. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    And who is this Red Sox prospect Ryan Westermoreland ?

  14. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I just looked at more of the comments, this other “Erica” situation is worse than I thought.

    Johnny Damon is still my pretend boyfriend. Always will be.

    Now that I have said that-
    I am not a 12 year old girl. I am a very stressed CPA. I do not use words like “Swoon” or “hottie”.

    Do NOT be confused

  15. Joey Ramone December 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Oddly enough, the Yankees could always select Curtis with the Rule 5 pick they got from Washington…

    It’s actually been done before!

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....67230.html

  16. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    No kidding they’re not trading Hughes or Montero. They’re also probably not trading Joba.

  17. Chad Jennings December 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Here’s the way I understand it…

    The Yankees could take Curtis in the Rule 5, but the same rule would apply. He would have to stay on the 25-man roster all season.

    If the Yankees took him off the 25-man roster, he would then be offered to every team — like passing through waivers — letting any other team claim him as a Rule 5 pick. It’s only after he clears — after every other team has a chance to take him as a Rule 5 pick — that he could be sent to the Yankees minor league system.

    Basically, the Yankees can pick Curtis on Thursday, but if he doesn’t stick on the major league roster this spring, every other team will have the exact same oportunity to get him as they would have in the actual Rule 5 draft.

    As for Wang, he’s not Rule 5 eligible. He’s on the 40-man.

  18. Aaron December 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    What do you guys think about the DH? I personally think we should go with Miranda or Duncan like I stated on my blog just because I was trying to figure out the contracts. I probly messed them all up but it was an attempt.

  19. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    One more thing…..

    I am not supposed to come on the internet during work hours.. hence, my silence from here.

    Why on earth would I be surfing the net for pictures of Curtis Granderson????????????????

    IT WAS NOT ME!!!!!!!

  20. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    Hi Yankee people-

    I just looked at some of todays comments. I don’t know who that “Erica” was posting today, but it wasn’t me….

    Don’t be confused.

    And I would NEVER use the word hottie!

    ********************
    Erica, I thought it was a little strange that I didn’t see “always OPPC” after your name and that you were so amped up about Granderson, with not a mention of the PBF.

  21. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    One more thing…..

    I am not supposed to come on the internet during work hours.. hence, my silence from here.

    Why on earth would I be surfing the net for pictures of Curtis Granderson????????????????

    ********************
    yeah, that was strange too. ;)

  22. champ809 December 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Phil

    I think that signing Damon,acquiring Halladay would put us over budget…

    I hope we keep Joba and Hughes in the rotation and let Damon walk. I think we’re better with Melky and Gardy in LF

  23. Nick D. December 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I think the plan is for Washington to take someone from the Yankees in the rule 5 and then make him the PTBNL.

    Very sneaky but I like it. Protection without costing us the roster spot!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if MLB makes this sort of move illegal in the future.

  24. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I think SJ, as usual, hit the nail on the head. Damon’s offer is out there to be a LF/DH in combo with Melky.

  25. CR9 December 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Chad

    It’s the Nationals rule 5 pick. They would take Curtis, then give him back to us. Since Curtis would be the Nationals rule 5 pick, then once he came back to us, then he could remain in our minors, not on the 40 man roster.

    That’s the way I understood it, and Rob Neyer understood it, and Neyer took issue with it, saying it cheats baseball.

    But he had no problem with David Ortiz or the signing of Junichi home run Tazawa.

  26. Roberto for Paul December 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Interesting…probably doesn’t make sense then. If he has to pass through waivers these scenarios don’t work…

    Any targets you are hearing Chad?

  27. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    The Rule 5 trade idea is a clever idea, but how likely is it the Yankees find a player they keep on their 25 man roster that someone else did keep on their 40 man roster? Possible, I suppose, but remote.

  28. S.o.S. December 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    To all the experts in here. What do you guys think about pulling a trade with our old friend Torre. What would it take to land a Billingsly? Would they even consider? He got injured this year and is probably at the bottom of his value. He’s 25 and i believe could still be a force. Thoughts?

  29. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Erin-

    No big deal. I don’t think that person meant to imposter me, so I am not getting them banned. I think it was just another person. I just hate to see my good name soiled.

    Next time ask “Erica” a hardcore Sesame Street question and see if it stumps them. LOL

  30. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    We won’t need Carl Crawford as a table setter now that we have Granderson. I think Holliday will be signed to play LF, Melky will move to RF and Swisher will be the DH.

    As for the 2011 free agent class of pitchers, the Yankees will have 20 mil coming off the books with Pettitte (if he returns for 2010) and Mo.

    They can sign Halladay in 1 year.

  31. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    “Whatever happens, everybody knows I love NY. If it doesn’t happen, I know I’m gonna help another team get better.”

    See ya Johnny. Don’t let the lifesize rendition of ring #28 hit you on the way out.

  32. 7789 December 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Interesting Heyman just said on mlb network the yanks could still sign Damon and trade Melky. He said the cubs are interested in Melky.

  33. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    We got two Phil’s going again. I don’t think the budget is at all firm. I also think if we get Halladay, it might turn out that Andy wanted to retire and was playing along while we found his replacement.

  34. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Next time ask “Erica” a hardcore Sesame Street question and see if it stumps them. LOL

    ****************
    Of course! I should have thought of that. LOL
    But next time I’ll definitely know that “Erica” with no OPPC or undying love of Johnny Damon is not you.

  35. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    If you read Verducci’s SI article about the World Series and the quotes he got from Andy, you’d think he’s not only interested in playing but he has even considered playing 2 more years. His quote was “I don’t see myself playing in 3 years so I’m getting close but I’m not there yet.” (paraphrased)

  36. SJ44 December 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Bret,

    You are going to be disappointed when Holliday doesn’t end up with the Yankees.

    They have no interest in him.

  37. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Erin
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Of course! I should have thought of that. LOL
    But next time I’ll definitely know that “Erica” with no OPPC or undying love of Johnny Damon is not you.

    *******

    Thank you! There has to be a voice of reason

  38. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    “I don’t think that person meant to imposter me, so I am not getting them banned.”

    :shock:

  39. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    “I don’t think that person meant to imposter me, so I am not getting them banned.”

    *****

    Do you have a difference of opinion???

    Come on…. would I ever admit to being “flustered”??? I AM A ROCK!

  40. Jeff in Jacksonville December 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    The Yankees did not give up Brian Bruney just to protect a 4-A outfielder, at best. The Yankees have an arm targeted in the Rule 5 draft, guaranteed. There was a reason they shipped Bruney to Washington – that reason being they had the No. 1 overall pick in the R5D. There were surely a lot of NL teams that would have given us a PTBNL for a hard-throwing reliever from the AL East who cost less than $1.5 in 2010.

  41. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “No kidding they’re not trading Hughes or Montero. They’re also probably not trading Joba.”

    If so then Toronto is not trading Halladay to the Yankees.

  42. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “…so I am not getting them banned.”

    That’s the part that was :shock:

  43. Brian NYY December 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    SJ44,

    Thank You. THere is a budget. I’d rather spend the money on Halladay than Holliday.

    Bot Holliday will not be in pinstripes anyway. He is a NL player.

  44. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    craw,

    nobody is offering anything good for him. We’ll see what happens.

  45. Mike Fischlin December 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Can we get back on topic? Who cares about Erica?

  46. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
    “…so I am not getting them banned.”

    That’s the part that was

    ******

    I am all about the high road these days. Mostly due to a lack of energy to be my usual fireballing self

  47. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Holliday / Bay are too costly and not worth what they are going to sign for.

  48. Bronx Born December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    We all care about Erica

  49. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Mike Fischlin
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    Can we get back on topic? Who cares about Erica?

    *******

    Ummm…. I do!!!! Who cares about you?

  50. Chad Jennings December 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Any player taken in the Rule 5 has to pass through waivers before being sent to the minors. That’s true even for players taken by their own team (I just confirmed that with someone).

    The Nationals are trading whoever they pick in the Rule 5 to the Yankees. He will still be a Rule 5 pick when he gets to the Yankees.

  51. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    SJ44
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
    Bret,

    You are going to be disappointed when Holliday doesn’t end up with the Yankees.

    They have no interest in him.

    I won’t be disappointed, surprised maybe, but not disappointed. Whatever they’ve been deciding seems to work out lately.

    The professed lack of interest in Holliday could just be the Yankees providing cover for Boras’ other client (Damon).

    If the Yankees had come out strong for Holliday from the onset of the offseason, it would’ve automatically eliminated a fan favorite in favor of an outsider.

    Such an abrupt departure after 4 years kind of violates the courtesy that the Yankees give to former long term Yankees and big contributors. It confuses the fans and can cause resentment towards newer incoming players.

    Also, from a business perspective, the Yankees don’t want to damage the market for Damon because if they can honor Boras’ clients, negotiations with them and him will be smoother.

  52. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Bronx Born
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    We all care about Erica

    *****

    Thank you :-)

  53. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Doc’s price must come down if the Jays want more than one or two suitors.

  54. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Jeff in Jacksonville – Oh, you better believe Cashman has someone in mind. Darn right there was a reason Bruney is going to the Nats.

  55. Erin December 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Mike Fischlin
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    Can we get back on topic? Who cares about Erica?

    *********************
    I think you’ll find most people here care about Erica.

  56. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    “craw,

    nobody is offering anything good for him. We’ll see what happens.”

    Which is fine so either they keep him or they trade him to some other team not named the Yankees for an undervalued package. It won’t be the Yankees benefited from their predicament with Halladay. At least that’s what I would do if I’m the Toronto ownership that has to live with their fanbase.

  57. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    So you could have this person banned but choose not to?

  58. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Phil
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    Doc’s price must come down if the Jays want more than one or two suitors.

    ****

    Is the general feeling that Doc is getting dealt this week? Or do people think this will continue to drag out thru the offseason

  59. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    Jeff in Jacksonville – Oh, you better believe Cashman has someone in mind. Darn right there was a reason Bruney is going to the Nats.

    either a utility guy or a lefty releiver – jmo

  60. austinmac December 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I now get the Rule 5 draft of a Yankee player. Very clever.

  61. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Yes, I do think the Yankees share a simbiotic relationship with Boras. They scratch his back and he scratches their’s.

    Tex and Arod are Yankees.

    Holliday will be one as well.

    He’s dwells from Mickey Mantle country.

  62. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    So you could have this person banned but choose not to?

    *****

    I do not know if they have committed a bannable offense to be honest. I really don’t know if they intended to “imposter” me. Without proven intent, I will not make the move to ban.

    However, this person clearly goes on questionable websites

  63. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Jeff in Jacksonville thank you for bringing common sense to the table. Collusion and rule 5 swaps to protect Colin Curtis? More likely, as you said, they have someone targeted or they think they can spin the pick off for something they need far more Brian Bruney.

  64. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    I see. :roll:

  65. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    craw,

    you’re forgetting his NTC and his desire to be a Yankee. So, I think he’s either not getting traded, or getting traded to the Yanks.

  66. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    I see.

    *******

    Don’t you roll your eyes at me Mr. Nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  67. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Power — or the illusion of power — corrupts.

    But of course we all care.

  68. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    It looks like no one is willing to trade for Halladay based on the conditions set by the Jays.

  69. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    “craw,

    you’re forgetting his NTC and his desire to be a Yankee. So, I think he’s either not getting traded, or getting traded to the Yanks.”

    Phil,

    You’re the one making that jump about his desire to be a Yankee, but I think he would approve a trade to Boston and the Phillies just as easy as would the Yankees.

  70. Jeff in Jacksonville December 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    either a utility guy or a lefty releiver – jmo

    That’s what I tend to believe. I have to think it is a LHP. I haven’t seen a complete list of players available in the R5D, and even if I did, the names would be meaningless. But like Joe on the Island said, Cashman has someone targeted, I can’t wait to see who. Have there been any leads, Chad??

  71. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    So wait a minute, does this mean C-Grand will not be replacing Damon as Erica’s PBF?

    And what if Damon is not re-signed?

    Could there be a season with no PBF? Is that even possible?

  72. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Jeremy- What makes you say that?

  73. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    Holliday will not be a yankee. Do you want the payroll to go up to 230 million. Some fans are just spoiled. And Holliday is not that good, Tex is a better hitter and worth the money which is why the yankees got him.

  74. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Halladay’s not using his NTC to demand a trade to the Yankees. That’s not his personality. He is most likely giving Toronto some choices. Why would he make things so difficult on his long-time team when he’s free in 1 year anyways?

  75. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    craw,

    then why did Boston say they wouldn’t trade Bucholz and Kelly today, the night after the Jays met with Halladay’s agents? And why aren’t the Phillies working on it at all?

  76. Betsy - high on pie December 8th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Phil, I’m a dummy obviously, but I don’t get how the below things you mentioned tie into one another and how that lead you to believe that Doc said he wanted to be traded to the Yanks. I’m not disbelieving you, I just don’t get the logic. Can you explain? Thanks!

    1) Doc’s agents meeting with Jays
    2) Jays chasing Doumit
    3) Sox saying no to any deal including Kelly/Bucholz

  77. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    This whole “Halladay wants to come to the Yanks” has taken a life of it’s own cuz some dude in these comments sections asserted it earlier.
    Crawdaddy is right. Halladay would go to Kansas City if he thought they had a chance at making a deep postseason run. Him and Grienke both pitching twice they might!

  78. Nick in SF December 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Phil, if I’m understanding you correctly, what you’re basically saying is this:

    Toronto is either going to deal Halladay to the Yanks for a package that has to be obviously better than the two draft picks or keep him for the year (and hope he comes off his no-midyear-trade stance).

    Is that about it?

  79. Pat M. December 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Nick in SF….I just grapped Butler + 3 vs. Georgetown….Game goes off in 9 minutes

  80. upstate kate December 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    ah Erica we should have known better :)
    I am glad I checked in tonight.

  81. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Two Phil’s, both with their name highlighted. That’s just Awphil!

    I can’t tell who’s who and I don’t want to play this game. :-x

  82. Erica - always OPPC December 8th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    December 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    So wait a minute, does this mean C-Grand will not be replacing Damon as Erica’s PBF?

    And what if Damon is not re-signed?

    Could there be a season with no PBF? Is that even possible?

    *******

    No. Johnny Damon is still my one and only MPB. I am clinging to the hope that he will be back. There’s always hope

  83. no.27 December 8th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Is there anyone available in the Rule 5 Draft that could stay up with the Yankees for a full season?

  84. Jeremy December 8th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Simon
    The yankees and red sox aren’t willing to deal their best prospects. The Phillies don’t want to give up their best and they have Cliff Lee and other contracts to worry about next year. The Dodgers don’t want to give up Billingsley (don’t know if I spelled it correctly), and the Angels might do it but they would have to give up Weaver or Saunders with prospects, and who knows if Halladay wants to go to the Angels.

  85. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Okay, Betsy.

    Jays said they wanted a catcher in a Halladay trade. We won’t give them Montero. Today they were suddenly trying to get a catcher separate from a Halladay trade. Finally, the Sox saying they wouldn’t trade either of those today, means they won’t give up anything. So maybe they know where he’s headed.

  86. PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Yanks are the only team that would consider an extension of $20 million x 4-5 for a player Halliday’s age.

    That’s the real market. All the rest is chatter.

    I’m not sure the guy wants to bounce around for a year then go somewhere else. Who knows?

    The Rays are only getting an improvement on two picks from the Yankees, when the dust settles. I’m not sure they even give up Joba, Hughes, or Montero when all is said and done, nor should they.

    When you’re thinking $10 million for Ben Sheets, what’s another $5.5 million?

    My money says this goes into the winter, and the Jays have to determine whether their fans will accept the inenvitable Yankee Borg (resistance is futile).

    A three way with the Pirates may be a way to save face?

  87. Abdababdaserser December 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Bruney was talked about being non-tendered so trading him to the Nationals didn’t necessarily do any harm for either team. Now the Yankees get a rule 5 draft pick that gives them their choice of player.

    It was a win-win set up. I don’t see them using it to protect someone they had but couldn’t protect because if they were letting Bruney go they could have dropped him early and made the move.

    The Yankees have a target in mind otherwise they could have looked at picking up a minor league player from the Nats.

    I don’t see Holliday becoming a Yankee. I do like the way he plays the game, even with the fumble of the ball in the playoffs, he is a solid player and his aggressiveness reminds me of Teixeira running full out in that dropped ball walk off game.

  88. Betsy - high on pie December 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    As I said earlier, I can easily see Doc either staying in Toronto (either of his own volition or because the Jays didn’t like anything they were offered) or going elsewhere as a rental.

  89. TD December 8th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    any breaking news?

    thought I heard about a done deal trade.

    is there a new thread open?

  90. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    raymagnetic,

    mine goes to my blog and I am the one who has always been here, though I skip most of the inseason stuff. I’m buzah! over at NYYFans and PhilinLA many other places.

  91. Jeff in Jacksonville December 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    No. 27, my best guess would be Josh Perrault.

  92. squidward December 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    “I can easily see Doc either staying in Toronto”

    Most likely scenario now.

  93. blake December 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Anybody hear who the cubs may give to get melky?

  94. Betsy - high on pie December 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Phil, I guess I still don’t see it. I mean, the Sox probabably just reiterated their stance to put pressure on the Jays. I hope you’re right – I’m just not following the logic. I wonder if the Jays like Romine or if they only had their sights set on Montero.

    No one knows what the Jays will or will not eventually accept……Anthopolous is definitely doing a good job stopping leaks.

  95. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t think Toronto’s interest in Doumit and their demands for Montero are related.

  96. Carl C. December 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    nyp_joelsherman

    1. MLB triples leader 2006-2009: 1. Granderson, 53. 2 Jose Reyes, 50.

    3 minutes ago from web

  97. raymagnetic December 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Phil,

    I’m just playing. I scroll over your user name and I can tell who’s who.

  98. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    “craw,

    then why did Boston say they wouldn’t trade Bucholz and Kelly today, the night after the Jays met with Halladay’s agents? And why aren’t the Phillies working on it at all?”

    Phil,

    Personally, I’m the one that stated earlier this week that Halladay isn’t going to get traded. However, let’s say Toronto wants to save money on his 2010 salar. If the Yankees aren’t going to give up their best prospects than why would the Red Sox? I thought we were in agreement that no team is going to give Toronto the trade value they want for Halladay. If we’re in agreement there and all three teams will offer up a similar devalued package to Toronto. Perhaps, Toronto prefers Boston’s or the Phillies prospects over the Yankees or better yet that the packages are so comparable in value, Toronto decides to ship Halladay off to the Phillies so he’s not in the division. Or maybe, Toronto ownership hates the Yankees so much they trade Halladay to Boston. Again, personally they either keep him or trade him to the Phillies for .30 cents on the dollar as far as prospects coming back to them.

  99. Jeff in Jacksonville December 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    BUCCO fans is running a wonderful breakdown on Rule 5 players, for those interested. Here is the link to the RHP section. Look in the article for the links to other positions –

    http://www.buccofans.com/2009/.....anded.html

  100. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    packages are so comparable in value, Toronto decides to ship Halladay off to the Phillies so he’s not in the division.

    This.

    The packages are devalued since he’s a 1 year rental. The only thing the Jays can do to appease their fans is to send him out of the division and away from the most hated team in baseball.

  101. Phil December 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    craw,

    what I’m trying to tell you is he has a first choice, and it’s not up to the Jays. They can refuse to trade him, but he’s driving the bus.

  102. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 8th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Why would you wanne trade Melky?He can play RF,CF and LF.Gardner can only play CF.
    With granderson on this team I wuld try to trade Gardner..Maybe the Yankees could get a peanut butter sandwich in return

  103. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Jeremy– fair enough…but it only takes one!

  104. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    “craw,

    what I’m trying to tell you is he has a first choice, and it’s not up to the Jays. They can refuse to trade him, but he’s driving the bus.”

    So you’re telling me he’ll refuse a trade to the Phillies or Red Sox? If so then I have to disagree with you until I see proof of him doing so. Anyhow, I’m tuckered out explaining myself so we’ll see what happens with Halladay going forward.

  105. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Hey Roger, say hello to the best city in world for me.

  106. crawdaddy December 8th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    “The packages are devalued since he’s a 1 year rental. The only thing the Jays can do to appease their fans is to send him out of the division and away from the most hated team in baseball.”

    I agree, either they keep him or trade him outside the division unless Boston or the Yankees lose their minds and offer a package they can’t refuse.

  107. blake December 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Roger, if they re-sign Damon or bring in another outfielder then melky is expendable. I wouldn’t trade him unless there was a good return though because as you said he can play all three outfield positions. You don’t trade Gardner because he has much less trade value

  108. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    I agree, either they keep him or trade him outside the division unless Boston or the Yankees lose their minds and offer a package they can’t refuse.

    Which of course makes no sense from the Yankees perspective because they can sign him if they just wait 1 year.

  109. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    NO no no no no no! You don’t trade Melky. Why would you trade Melky? He’s young, he’s cheap, he runs and he throws. Maybe he’ll start hitting better to. If you’re trading anyone, you try and trade Swisher.

  110. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Bret– your opinion is contrary to another pervasive one around here.
    You assume that if he doesn’t go to Boston or NY he probably won’t get a long term deal. While most people seem to think he’s only getting traded somewhere he can work out a long term deal right away.

    I tend to agree with you. From Haladay’s perspective, he needs a competitive team more than a new deal. He’s already getting $15M, and he can negotiate all around the next year.

  111. blake December 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    for those who think there is no way the Yankees go after Halladay or Holliday I wouldn’t put anything past cashman, he’s a sneaky little devil and I would be surprised if one of those two wasn’t wearing pinstripes come March.

    That being said of I’m wrong then a plan B of Damon/matsui and Sheets would also be acceptable

  112. blake December 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    for those who think there is no way the Yankees go after Halladay or Holliday I wouldn’t put anything past cashman, he’s a sneaky little devil and I would be surprised if one of those two wasn’t wearing pinstripes come March.

    That being said of I’m wrong then a plan B of Damon/matsui and Sheets would also be acceptable

  113. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Simon

    I will!

    But about swisher.I wouldn’t trade him or melky.Try trading Gardner because if damon signs,gardner wouldn’t even make the roster.And besides…a peanut butter sandwich in return sounds pretty good to me

  114. 7789 December 8th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Gardner can play leftfield too. He was playing left when he got called called up two years ago. If they do resign Damon it will be interesting to see what they do with Melky. Melky has much higher trade value than Gardner maybe you can get a good bullpen arm for him.

  115. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    I tend to agree with you. From Haladay’s perspective, he needs a competitive team more than a new deal. He’s already getting $15M, and he can negotiate all around the next year.

    Correct. And from Halladay’s perspective, when he looks 1 year down the road and sees the market, he’s probably looking at a different economy and a better long-term contract.

  116. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Simon
    December 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    NO no no no no no! You don’t trade Melky. Why would you trade Melky? He’s young, he’s cheap, he runs and he throws. Maybe he’ll start hitting better to. If you’re trading anyone, you try and trade Swisher.
    ======

    I don’t see Melky being dealt, unless they bring in another OF (not talking about Damon).

    The Yankees want to get younger and better defensively – that’s a big reason why Granderson was acquired.

    Melky is already a good No. 9 hitter. in 611 career ABs, he’s hitting .296.

    Now 25, expect Melky’s power to increase in 2010. With some adjusting, he went from being a slap hitter RH to driving the ball more in 2009.

    Girardi himself observed that Cabrera’s RH ABs changed the team’s view of him last year and essentially won him the CF job.

  117. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Melky needs to be starting on this team. YOUTH AND ATHLETICISM PEOPLE. Even if he is displaced by Granderson in center and Damon in left, he then moves to right.

  118. Simon December 8th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Bodhisattva– Well said.

  119. Betsy - high on pie December 8th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....IrjQZuk80L

    “I don’t think it affects what I can still do. Either they come out and pursue me or they don’t,” Damon told The Post from Orlando, where he just landed after returning from Barcelona. “I still know how to play baseball and will make any team better.”

    *****

    Seems rather defensive – as if he’s taken offense to the Yankees making the deal. I mean, why even say what he said? Did anyone imply that he can’t help a team?

  120. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 8th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    yankees

  121. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 8th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    go yankees

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