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Pettitte deal could be done today

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

At least, that’s what Jon Heyman is saying. He even has numbers, saying the deal should be worth roughly $12 million.

Looks like the Yankees could leave these Winter Meetings with an new impact center fielder, Andy Pettitte signed to a one-year deal and the top Rule 5 pick adding depth to the major league roster. That’s four days well spent in Indianapolis.

UPDATE, 10:52 p.m.: Speaking of news on Twitter — you fine folks in the comments are already all over this one — Jayson Stark is reporting that the Yankees are shopping that No. 1 Rule 5 pick.

UPDATE, 11:23 p.m.: Joel Sherman is saying the Pettitte deal is done. One year, $11.75 million.

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182 Responses to “Pettitte deal could be done today”

  1. Andrew December 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    The top Rule 5 pick will probably be a relief pitcher, most likely? I assume if they are trading Coke and already adding Granderson & Andy to the budget, they might want to cut costs & save for signing one of Matsui/Damon as well as another vet starter by taking a cheap but ML-ready bullpen guy in Rule 5.

  2. teddy December 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    agreed

  3. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    It’s kind of the opposite of a hometown discount, but whatever. WB, AP.

  4. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    The Rule 5 pick should be the BPA, regardless of position.

  5. Arno December 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Anyone heard the rumor that the Yankees are shopping around their #1 pick in the Rule 5 draft? What are they looking for?

  6. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I wonder how much of that 12M is in incentives? I would guess about 2-3M worth.

  7. TR December 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Sorry, I know it doesn’t matter but I’m still hung-up on the Granderson deal. He’s a good addition, no question. Great speed, great defense, good power, and good clubhouse guy. BUT, I still think we gave up too much for him – or could have gotten a bit better for the same package. For that matter, I think if you threw a 4th player in on the package – like maybe another young arm or another prospect (not Montero), that might have been enough to pry Crawford away from the Rays. And, Crawford is better than Granderson (albeit more expensive). I like Granderson, just think we could have done better with that package.

  8. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Twitter has made “reporting” comical:

    injuryexpert

    Overheard Alan Nero talking about “very close” – he’s Felix Hernandez’s agent, but no idea if that’s what he was talking about

  9. Ed H. December 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Andy has earned a one-year guaranteed deal in the 11-12 mill range. Good move for the Yanks to wrap him up early. I can’t see the Yanks giving up Joba/Hughes and Montero for one year of Halliday and two draft picke (when he becomes a FA.)

  10. MikeJav December 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Nice to have Andy back, but that seems pricey. Even for the Yanks. Hopefully that is another incentive laden contract.

  11. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    My guesses on the Rule V (based on RiverAveBlues descriptions of them):

    Aneury Rodriguez who would be a live arm for the pen with an eventual chance to start

    or if they want to go hitter Chad Tracy who is described kind of a right handed Eric Hinske.

  12. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Sounds good to me. The Yankees love Andy and they wanted to reward him for last year – why mess around? Now that we’ve got that taken care of, we can move on to strengthening our SP. I think they are meeting with Sheets’ agent next week, correct? They have a very good relationship with Casey Close, who is also Jeter’s agent, so that helps.

    I think Halladay is over and done with now……just pray he doesn’t go to the Sox and that, if he goes to the Angels, it’s just a 1 year rental.

  13. Corey December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    ESPN is saying the Yanks are looking to deal their Rule 5 pick

  14. Andrew December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Best player available in the Rule 5 sounds good in theory but it seems unlikely to give a roster spot to a position player acquired in the draft. Relievers, if the Yankees scouts have someone particular in mind it’s a great gamble worth taking.

    But then again, Jayson Stark is now saying on Twitter (“jaysonst: Yankees are shopping the No. 1 pick in Thursday’s Rule 5 draft. They just obtained that pick this week in Brian Bruney trade.”) that the Yankees are shopping the pick. So maybe they will trade the Rule 5 pick for some other useful player without the restrictions of a Rule 5′er. Very interesting.

  15. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    “or if they want to go hitter Chad Tracy who is described kind of a right handed Eric Hinske.”

    But does he have Hinske’s good luck charm ability? ;)

  16. Neil December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    About the only pitcher on the 40-man roster of the Nationals worth any consideration is LHP Scott Olsen to replace Phil Coke in the bullpen.

    http://washington.nationals.ml.....p?c_id=was

  17. Wave Your Hat December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    My guess on the Yanks’ Rule 5 pick from the Nats is a middle infielder so the Yanks can let Pena develop in AAA at his own pace.

  18. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Best player available in the Rule 5 sounds good in theory but it seems unlikely to give a roster spot to a position player acquired in the draft.”

    TBH, I think it would be tough for any player taken to stick. That’s why I think the rumors about a trade may be true.

  19. jonathan c. December 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    I don’t see how they can be shopping the pick when it isn’t really theirs. Unless someone tells them to pick someone and then they tell the Nationals.

  20. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Any thoughts on bringing in Troy Glaus as at DH? Assuming they work something out with Damon Glaus would provide some right handed power. True he missed almost all of last season but he had been healthy the 2 years before and could have hit this season but wasn’t able to play the field for an NL team

  21. Andrew December 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Chad Tracy is exposed to Rule 5? Weird, I remember him being pretty much an every-day player for the D-Backs, and I thought he was just a free agent?

    And Rich I agree for the most part that it seems a longshot for the Yankees to use the Rule 5 draft & find a player that sticks. I think the bullpen is the only spot where it makes sense, which is why I am assuming if they keep the pick it will be a reliever. But a trade makes the most sense, since a cash-starved team might try to flip a an arbitration-eligible player getting too rich for them (but affordable for the Yankees) for the Rule 5 pick.

  22. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    “I don’t see how they can be shopping the pick when it isn’t really theirs. Unless someone tells them to pick someone and then they tell the Nationals.”

    That’s how it would work.

  23. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Chad Tracy is exposed to Rule 5? Weird, I remember him being pretty much an every-day player for the D-Backs, and I thought he was just a free agent?

    Andrew – Different player with the same name.

  24. matt December 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Previous Rule 5 Draftees…
    Everth Cabrera (2008)
    Josh Hamilton (2006)
    Joakim Soria (2006)
    Dan Uggla (2005)
    Shane Victorino (2002)
    Johann Santana (1999)

    What could NYY get if they traded this away?

  25. Andrew December 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Wow, and Chad Tracy is such a stupid name. Amazing it could happen in baseball twice.

  26. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Again, why would they go for glaus at DH? They dont want a DH or they would just resign matsui. why isnt this sinking in???

  27. McGeorge Bundy December 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Gammons leaving ESPN to work for MLB Network and, surprise surprise, NESN.

  28. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    and I reported in our video blog last night, Yanks still think they can make a Halladay deal w Jesus Montero as centerpiece

    ___

    Interesting that the yankees actually believe they can get halladay without losing joba or hughes. that would be a no brainer, montero + for halladay?

  29. Al December 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Gammons leaving ESPN to work for MLB Network and, surprise surprise, NESN
    _____________
    He’ll be closer to more bars to drink at too.

  30. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Forget Halladay- he’s going to the Sox or Angels.

  31. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Olney is a dope if he thinks the Yankees are trading Swisher. He’s their RF, he’s a good player, he fits in with the team……and changing RF is not exactly a priority with them.

  32. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Again, why would they go for glaus at DH? They dont want a DH or they would just resign matsui. why isnt this sinking in???

    Tex – well a couple of reasons:
    If they bring back Damon then I think they would want a RH bat to balance things out – Glaus is RH Matsui is not

    Matsui it seems will have a couple of options (LAA & CHI) who might offer him more money

    Glaus could, on occassion, play 1st or 3rd if the Yankees wanted to DH someone else.

  33. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Would they add another middle infielder to the mix via the rule 5 draft?

    I mean they just added Eduardo Nunez and Reegie Corona to the 40-man roster last month.

  34. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Forget Halladay- he’s going to the Sox or Angels.

    Halladay isnt going to boston. they dont have enough to give up, and this isnt the indians. they arent just going to hand their ace to them for nothing like they did with martinez.

  35. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Why would you trade someone like Swisher for a reliever.I think Robertson can do what Soriano does..

  36. mr. krabs December 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    that’s what i thought what is Olney talking about…

    Damon Granderson Swisher is pretty solid outfield… need a right handed stick that can play all three positions as a compliment… Melky’s splits just aren’t there…

  37. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    This is awesome-really hope Andy’s deal gets done today.

  38. Tom December 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Interesting that the yankees actually believe they can get halladay without losing joba or hughes. that would be a no brainer, montero + for halladay
    ___________________
    That would be nice.

  39. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    For those of you who missed it – one of my “targets” was just made available as Atlanta released Ryan Church.

    Maybe pick up Church, move Swisher to DH, Melky in LF and Granderson in CF.

    :)

  40. Tom December 9th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Montero, that #1 pick, and a bevy of others not named Joba or Phil to Toronto for Doc ! C’mon Cash just do it !

  41. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Alright, here we go:

    Sign Church to play RF
    Re-Sign Nady

    Now you’ve got an OF of Church, Granderson and Swisher with Nady at DH – or you can put Nady on the bench and DH Swisher with Melky in LF.

  42. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    “Maybe pick up Church, move Swisher to DH, Melky in LF and Granderson in CF”

    That sounds like a major regression from last year at every spot other than CF.

  43. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Chip, what is your obsession with mediocre to bad outfielders?

    Nady is average, Church is too. Those kind of guys are not regulars on championship teams.

  44. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Yankees meeting with the reps for Ben Sheets and Rich Harden according to WFAN

  45. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    I could see them re-signing Nady if they have real concerns about Granderson’s ability to turn things around against lefties. On lefty days, play Melky in center, Nady in left. I could see that, if he is fully recovered. Not the ideal situation, but not all bad.

  46. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Sheets would be Brad Penny-esque in AL East.

  47. JRod December 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Sounds like the Yanks are looking at Arquimedes Caminero from Florida’s org in the Rule V according to MLBTR

  48. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Who would you guys rather have:Sheets or Harden?

    Sheets right?

  49. CD December 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Swisher on the trading block?

    Buster Olney just said on ESPN that if the Yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block.

    Now why would he do that? Because of swish’s poor post season?

  50. mike December 9th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Stark believes yanks could select this player
    http://www.baseball-reference......mine001arq

  51. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Ryan Church has no power and also post concussion. PASS.

  52. Rishi December 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    nyp_joelsherman #Tigers plan is for Austin Jackson, who has never played day in The Show, to be Opening Day CF
    10 minutes ago from web

  53. mike December 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Correction– Steve Henson of yahoo believes yanks will select that player

  54. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Patrick

    Did you not see the smiley face and realize I was messing around?

    That said, if you want me to defend the stance I will.

    Look at the way Johnny Damon’s production increased when he came to New York – I think that Church could easily become a 20 HR guy playing in the stadium and in the lineup.

    As for Nady – I wouldn’t look at him as an everyday player, but a nice RH bat off the bench on a team that would be very left handed. The only way he plays everyday is if Melky regresses or Church gets hurt.

  55. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Yeah they could bring back Nady in order to provide the protection for Granderson against lefty pitching.

  56. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Church has absolutely zero to offer. It should be obvious He has less than little power, not any better on defense than Swisher, no speed and doesn’t walk, along with a less than average bat. Even Washington and the Mets, among other teams didn’t want him.

  57. randy l. December 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    “I have another couple of days here and then, I’ll get the word on whether I can chase all of nurses again or if I have to cut back to 3 or 4 a day.”

    gb7-

    weird that you can’t hit a golf ball; you seem to have more than a little of Tiger in you .

  58. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    One more thing on Andy. The Yankees clearly wanted to reward the man and didn’t want to futz around. The payroll is very likely flexible for players the Yankees really want, so Andy’s contract won’t prevent the Yankees from doing a thing.

  59. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Church is actually pretty good defensively, but I agree that he is lacking offensively and is a big risk.

    Chip, I will say this, at least you present a solid methadology to come up with your ridiculous plans. And about a quarter of the time I agree with you.

  60. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Buster Olney just said on ESPN that if the Yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block.

    Save some money and see what they could get for him. Maybe do a Swisher for Rafael Soriano deal with the Braves then go get a less expensive option in RF (Nady, Ankeil, yes even Church) or just stick Melky out there and hope his bat improves.

  61. ibechip December 9th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    JRod

    That’s my thought on the Rule V too. They could take him and use him an a one-batter type of guy for the year. He’s got a mid-90′s fastball with a wicked slider. Just needs to learn a bit of control.

  62. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Preisendanz
    I’m sorry but Sheets is better than Brad Penny.

  63. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Maybe do a Swisher for Rafael Soriano deal with the Braves then go get a less expensive option in RF (Nady, Ankeil, yes even Church) or just stick Melky out there and hope his bat improves.

    This would be a hilarious bad deal. First of all, they’d be saving like… 1.5-2 million dollars on that trade, and would be out a position player.

    Cashman isn’t trading Swisher. Not for a reliever anyways. Melky for Soriano makes more sense.

  64. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Andy Pettitte, Yankees Reach Agreement
    By Tim Dierkes [December 9 at 10:13am CST]
    10:13am: Sherman says the Yankees re-signed Pettitte for one year and $11.75MM. The Yanks have certainly accomplished their early-offseason goals. Pettitte was one of the better free agent starters available, though he wasn’t really available to other teams.

  65. Mike December 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Yeah they signed pettitte. Well that was quick.

  66. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Chad Guadin) December 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    please stop with the church comments. I rather have willingham then chruch.

  67. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    GreenBeret7
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am
    Andy Pettitte, Yankees Reach Agreement
    By Tim Dierkes [December 9 at 10:13am CST]
    10:13am: Sherman says the Yankees re-signed Pettitte for one year and $11.75MM. The Yanks have certainly accomplished their early-offseason goals. Pettitte was one of the better free agent starters available, though he wasn’t really available to other teams.

    ***********************
    :D

    Thanks GB!

  68. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    randy l.
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am
    “I have another couple of days here and then, I’ll get the word on whether I can chase all of nurses again or if I have to cut back to 3 or 4 a day.”

    gb7-

    weird that you can’t hit a golf ball; you seem to have more than a little of Tiger in you .

    ————————————————————

    Randy, you misunderstood me. I never said that I couldn’t hit a golf ball. I just wouldn’t bet on the direction that it goes, though…or, distance.

  69. Teddy Vercetti December 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I think people don’t understand Ryan Church’s skill set. He’s a great fielder with a good arm, and he has a sweet swing. He’s had lots of doubles and gap power in the past. Maybe he’s a late bloomer…skill set is very similar to Paul O’Neil…maybe he just needs a different environment.

  70. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    “have more than a little of Tiger in you .”

    I thought that was part of Tiger’s pick-up line :)

  71. carl December 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Way to go Austin. I really hope he does well.

  72. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    You’re very welcome, Erin. Now, they have a DH/left fielder to sign and it’s time to open the camps early.

  73. carl December 9th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    BloggingBombers

    Yankees, Pettitte agree to one-year, $11.75 million deal.

  74. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Even Washington and the Mets, among other teams didn’t want him.

    Well that’s not exactly true. The Mets wanted him enough to give up a top prospect in Millege for him. He just rightfully got ticked at the organization for the way they handled his concussion.

    Also, when you talk about his lack of power, it’s worth noting that his last three teams (Nats, Mets, Braves) played in five huge parks (RFK, New National Park, Shea, Citi, and Turner). As a Yankee he would be playing in a park that caters to LH hitters, and the rest of the AL East has very hitter friendly parks as well.

    I really do not think this is going to happen, but it’s not a complete throw-away to consider.

    Think of it this way – if Olney is right and the Yankees do bring in Damon and then put Swisher on the block the Yankees could move Swisher for Soriano and sign Church and effectively take a minor hit in RF offensively and upgrade the pen at the same time.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Teddy Vercetti
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am
    I think people don’t understand Ryan Church’s skill set. He’s a great fielder with a good arm, and he has a sweet swing. He’s had lots of doubles and gap power in the past. Maybe he’s a late bloomer…skill set is very similar to Paul O’Neil…maybe he just needs a different environment.

    ————————————————————

    Church is closer to having Molly O’Neill’s skillsets than Paul O’Neill’s.

  76. 46fan December 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    WOOOOO HOOOOOO FOR ANDY…….

  77. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    I wonder if the Rule 5 pick might go to Atlanta for Soriano, their reliever who accepted arbitration? Atlanta doesn’t want to pay that much for him, he wants to be traded. Could it be a ‘sign and deal’?

  78. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    BS. Church had a little power 3 years ago in Washington and none since.

  79. CountryClub December 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Good deal for pettitte and good deal for Yanks. They didnt overpay in any way. As a matter of fact, based on last year and the insane alternate universe is MLB…he’s probably still being underpaid. Good deal.

    Sign Sheets to a low base high incentive deal and see what he can do. He’s much better than Harden and he has a huge upside.

  80. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    46fan
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am
    WOOOOO HOOOOOO FOR ANDY…….

    **********************
    :) My thoughts exactly!!

  81. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Chip,

    I didn’t notice your first post about Church with the smily face, I only saw the second one and thought you were serious. Despite the smiley face I still think you are serious =/

    We can agree to disagree on this one but you really do have a weird way of wanting the Yanks to acquire mediocre outfielders.

  82. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    paul o’neil once hit .359 .460 .603 1.064

    Damn strike

  83. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Keep dreaming about Church. That’s what you do best.

  84. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Melky for Soriano makes more sense.

    Jerkface,

    Just for you:

    If Damon is re-signed

    Swisher and Gardner to the Cubs for Smardjza, Jake Fox and Milton Bradley.

  85. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Another article about Granderson in which it suggests that the Yankees scouted him a lot last September and recognized his warts, but still traded for him.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....N3jwuBH2NK

  86. EdWhitson December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Swisher is a decent player, but RF is an important position and you can’t just trade him and look to save a couple of million bucks in RF with filler. Makes 0 sense.

  87. Teddy Vercetti December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    O’Neil through age 29: .259/336/431
    Church career (age 30): .272/345/441

    Eerily similar. And if you’ve watched Church play, he DOES have a similar skill set to O’Neil…whether he develops or not is anybody’s guess…but he does have the skills.

  88. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I think the Cubs traded jake fox to the Athletics, but I’d probably do that. But replace gardner with melky.

  89. Sal December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I’d hope the Yankees would get Megan Fox in that deal, not Jake, or the toy man.

  90. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Pettitte earned every dime of a guaranteed contract coming off of last year’s performance.

  91. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Yanks aren’t trading Montero.

  92. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    We can agree to disagree on this one but you really do have a weird way of wanting the Yanks to acquire mediocre outfielders.

    I look at this as the winter of the short term fix. I’ll deal with an OF of Damon, Granderson and Church this year if next year I can punt Damon and Church and put a full court press on Crawford and Werth.

  93. Paul from Cali December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    So that’s the going rate for a known drug user these days? $12M dollars? It sickens me that Yankee fans have given this guy, and ARod, a free pass for cheating on the game just because they came out and apologized for doing it.

    Would you cheer Andy Pettitte if he had gambled on baseball? Oh, wait, he’d be banned had he done that….

  94. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    The Yankees aren’t paying Soriano 8M for being a setup man.

  95. austinmac December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Betsy–I don’t think I have heard the expression “futz around” since I was a kid. I liked it. I wish I could futz around today instead of work(just wanted to use it in a sentence).

  96. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Chad Guadin) December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Church is a platoon player, Willingham isn’t. oh yeah, Willingham hits for power too.

  97. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Don’t feed the trolls and they will go away.

  98. randy l. December 9th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    gb7-
    personally i think direction is overrated.

    plus you get to meet lots of nice people on adjacent fairways.

    unless ,of course, you hit them and then they’re not nearly as friendly.

  99. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Willingham hits for power too.

    I like Willingham too, heck give me him at DH and Church in RF and Swisher in LF – I’m alright with that. One doesn’t preclude the other.

    Willingham does have back issues that I think make him more of a 1b/DH at this stage than an everyday OF though.

  100. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Paul, take some pepto…MLB was loaded with cheaters and at least Andy ‘fessed up’

  101. reacher December 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    It’s interesting that the players recently traded each have something in common….an attitude of denial. Bruney never acknowledged when he didn’t do well and also misled Girardi as to his injury status. Kennedy was out in the wildness when he stated on more than one occasion in 08 that he had done ok when in reality he got bombed (ala Igawa) and Coke frequently stated “well, we won and that’s what counts” after a poor performance. Not exactly like Phil who always stood tall and acknowledged when he didn’t do well. It’s kind of like Joba, who with a straight face, continually issued statements of denial following a poor performance.

    I see a pattern based on character and the “Yankee way”.
    That said, if the Halladay deal goes down and the package is to include either Phil or Joba, my money is on Joba to go.

  102. Teddy Vercetti December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I think the Yanks should sign Damon as the DH. Trade Melky, the rule 5, and a lower level prospect to KC for DeJesus. DeJesus plays left and this is your 2010 lineup:
    1. Jeter
    2. Damon
    3. Teixeira
    4. A-Rod
    5. Granderson
    6. Posada
    7. Cano
    8. Swisher
    9. DeJesus

    That right there is a lineup with improved defense and virtually no holes.

  103. Sal December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    So that’s the going rate for a known drug user these days? $12M dollars?
    _______
    What do Manny and Big Pap smear make per year ?

  104. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Eerily similar. And if you’ve watched Church play, he DOES have a similar skill set to O’Neil…whether he develops or not is anybody’s guess…but he does have the skills.

    There you go Teddy – that’s the spirit!

  105. blake December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Troll sighting! Don’t feed them

  106. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Ooops, just fed a troll…

  107. Nick D. December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I love it. New blood in Granderson and an old friend in Andy!

    Making my day!

  108. Paul from Cali December 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    If you’re referring to me crawdaddy, sorry but I’m not going anywhere and I’m not a troll. I’ve been a Yankee fan for 35 years. I couldn’t even enjoy this WS title because it was won by dirty players.

    I’m as myopic as the next Yankee fan and I always defend my team against all the garbage about the Yankees “buying” championships. But there’s no defense for cheating and the game has mostly been ruined for me.

  109. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Besides, think of how entertaining it would be to listen to Met fans go ballistic if Church were to play well for the Yankees. It’s all upside for the Yankees.

  110. DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    GB, be careful swinging that club of yours in the Hospital. ;-)

    Glad Andy is on board. Reasonable offer, just shy of $12 mil, which most of us anticipated.

    Now to deal with DH, possibly LF, and bullpen. Oh, and Raphael Soriano is unlilkely to be traded to the Yankees – too much $$$ for 1 year.

    I do like the fact that the #1 Rule 5 Draft pick is being shopped. Package that with other elements not named Hughes, Joba or Montero, for a trade to Toronto.

  111. Nick D. December 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    So that’s the going rate for a known drug user these days? $12M dollars? It sickens me that Yankee fans have given this guy, and ARod, a free pass for cheating on the game just because they came out and apologized for doing it.
    Would you cheer Andy Pettitte if he had gambled on baseball? Oh, wait, he’d be banned had he done that….
    —–
    TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

    Free pass…It’s trolls like you that make damn sure they didn’t get a free pass. Now let us enjoy our team and get outta here.

  112. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Paul seems to need a little lace hanky.

  113. Amy December 9th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    “Met fans”
    _______
    who ? !

  114. lets go yanks! December 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Hey paul, I will address you once, if you have been such a big time fan for so long, why did the rampant drug use in the 70′s not turn you off? Or how about when teams steal signs(much bigger problem in the old days)? I hate when people talk about “back in the day” as if those players wouldnt have taken advantage of anything and everything they could(and they did). anyway, move along.

  115. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Oh, and Raphael Soriano is unlilkely to be traded to the Yankees – too much $$$ for 1 year.

    I don’t know DaSaint – if the Yankees traded Swisher for him then it’s really a salary wash for this year and NY saves another 7 mil next year they can use on a better player than Swisher.

    Again – just for giggles: Sign Damon, move Swisher to Atlanta for Soriano and sign Church (DFA’d yesterday) to play RF. Add a Nady/Aurillia type to the bench for a RH bat.

  116. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    “I look at this as the winter of the short term fix. I’ll deal with an OF of Damon, Granderson and Church this year if next year I can punt Damon and Church and put a full court press on Crawford and Werth.”

    I agree this is an offseason where Cashman should avoid long term deals and go for the short-term fix. My problem is, why not go after good players for short term deals rather than just ok players.

    Mike Cameron is a better fielder than Church and a better hitter. He’s a FA, why not go after him? Damon is a much better hitter than Church but obviously not as good in the field. Matsui is the best hitter on the market not named Jason Bay or Matt Holliday. Nick Johnson is another guy who would fit perfect with the Yankees.

    Trust me, I’m all about short term deals in this specific offseason but I want good players not mediocre ones.

  117. Rick December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I wonder if someone would please help with a question?

    I realize that the Yanks haven’t traded for Granderson to sit against LH – at least not most. Everyone keeps bringing up how much O’Neill improved against southpaws after coming to the Yanks. Does anyone remember if Paulie started against most LH right away or was he basically platooned at the beginning?

    Thanks.

  118. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    randy l.
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:38 am
    gb7-
    personally i think direction is overrated.

    plus you get to meet lots of nice people on adjacent fairways.

    unless ,of course, you hit them and then they’re not nearly as friendly.

    ————————————————————

    Next fairway/ The only golfers I met were in the parking lots of Ft Hood, with their insurance adjusters. I bet I know more of those guys than anybody else does. I should have gotten a kickback from the auto glass installers.

  119. ray (sox fan) December 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Speaking as one who is not a Yankee fan I honestly think Pettite is one of the good guys in baseball.

    Sure he has made some mistakes, but how many other players on both the Sox and Yankees have done the same thing and it just hasn’t come out yet.

    I’m happy for Pettite that it appears he has a good contract for the coming year.

  120. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    I don’t understand the constant comparisons to Paul O’neil. Whenever we are talking about a mediocre left-handed outfielder people bring up Paul O’neil. Not every halfway decent outfielder is going to become Paul O’neil, he’s the exception not the rule.

  121. Paul from Cali December 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    So I’m a troll because I had something negative to say about the Yankees? That’s not allowed anymore? I’d bet I was going to Yankee games before most of you were born. That gives me the right to express my opinion even if you guys don’t like it.

    And yes, this WS title is tainted for me just like the 2 Boston titles and any other WS title won by a team that had known drug users on it. It amazes me how baseball fans have pretty much let this whole thing slide.

    When are you guys going to welcome Clemens back with open arms? He did the same exact thing as Pettitte. He just didn’t admit to it.

  122. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Wow, Cashman couldn’t come up with another 250K for Andy to make it 12mil?

  123. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    I can see where Paul’s coming from on this. I’ll admit, I was furious at the way Andy handled himself prior to the 2008 season.

    He wouldn’t tell the Yankees if he was coming back or not, so they left a $16 mil contract on the table, then he grabbed it when MLB announced that they were going to release the names in the Mitchell Report without giving the Yankees a head’s up that he was going to be in it.

    That said, there are roid users on every team in baseball; and football; and basketball; and hockey…..

  124. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Chip and DaSaint, The dollars on Soriano are not set yet. He has just accepted arbitration and has asked for a trade. This doesn’t mean he has to go to arbitration. I’m thinking Altanta just wants to get out of their screw up and Soriano wants to sign with a team that won’t have to give up 2 picks to sign. Rumors had us interested in the guy before, and now we have a spot in the bullpen with Bruney traded. Could be a match.

  125. G. Love December 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Glad to see Andy back for another season.

    Now we need to re-sign Damon (to a 2 year deal) & Hairston (to be our super utility and RH pinch hitter), sign Sheets and call it an off season.

  126. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    “It amazes me how baseball fans have pretty much let this whole thing slide.”

    What are we supposed to do about it? We can’t change the past. We can’t punish the players. Why should we be obsessed over it and let it stop us from enjoying the game? What’s done is done. I’m not going to be unhappy over something I can’t change. You might enjoy the game more if you did the same.

  127. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Paul from Cali
    Get off the soapbox. Every team had steroid or HGH users to stop complaining. It was the steroid era what do you want us to dabout it ?

    And the World Series was no won on roids because roids are banned in MLB now. Get a clue !

  128. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    DaSaint007
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am
    GB, be careful swinging that club of yours in the Hospital.

    ————————————————————

    The nurses here worked with Florence Nightinggale and Clara Barton.

  129. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am
    Wow, Cashman couldn’t come up with another 250K for Andy to make it 12mil?

    *********************
    Laura, if Andy’s happy with it, I’m happy with it. ;)

  130. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    sorry- do about it ?

    And Andy did HGH before it was banned.

  131. reacher December 9th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Cash has done quite well this off-season, so far. If he gets the Doc, he will consider his task completed. The “Boras Boys” can go sailing in the wind!!

  132. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Wow keep crying about steroids. It was so widespread you can’t say any of New York’s or Boston’s championships are tainted. That’s absurd. What about the widespread use of amphetamines in baseball? Every single player used to do those, now they are banned.

    Everyone cries about steroids but there still has yet to be anything documented on the actual effects steroids have on performance. No studies have been done, no proof has been given. My guess is they help but not as much as these whiners would have us believe.

    Not to mention, Pettitte never even did steroids. He did HGH which is medically proven to not do anything after you are out of your early 20′s.

  133. GGBG December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Rick

    I remember O’Neill being the every day RF from the word go once he got here.

    If Granderson experiences even a fraction of success against lefties we will have a steal on our hands. The middle of the lineup with Tex, ARod and Granderson could hit 120 HR all by themselves!

  134. sab December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Paul from Cali
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am
    So I’m a troll because I had something negative to say about the Yankees? That’s not allowed anymore? I’d bet I was going to Yankee games before most of you were born. That gives me the right to express my opinion even if you guys don’t like it.

    And yes, this WS title is tainted for me just like the 2 Boston titles and any other WS title won by a team that had known drug users on it. It amazes me how baseball fans have pretty much let this whole thing slide.

    When are you guys going to welcome Clemens back with open arms? He did the same exact thing as Pettitte. He just didn’t admit to it.
    ——————————————————-

    Speaking of steriods – has anyone seen how “small” albert pujols was when he first broke out with the cardinals, just as small as Sosa, Mcguire, Bonds and Ortiz before the “growing” began…say what you want about rafael palmeiro but he never blew up like the other 5 i’ve mentioned above..

  135. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    ray (sox fan)
    He is right. Every team had users. So according to you every championship for the last 20 years is tainted.

    We are getting past the steroid era so people should move on. It’s getting old.

  136. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    “Laura, if Andy’s happy with it, I’m happy with it.”

    You make a good point. I’ll stop whinning and just be glad that the deal is done.

  137. Tom in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    This whole ‘sanctity of the game’ argument is nothing more than a bunch of hog wash. When exactly was the baseball ‘pure’?

  138. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Mike Cameron is a better fielder than Church and a better hitter. He’s a FA, why not go after him? Damon is a much better hitter than Church but obviously not as good in the field. Matsui is the best hitter on the market not named Jason Bay or Matt Holliday. Nick Johnson is another guy who would fit perfect with the Yankees.

    I have no problem with any of the guys you mention, but bringing one, or even two, of them in wouldn’t preclude the Yankees from also being able to bring in Ryan Church too.

    I like Cameron defensively – but I don’t like the potential combination of Cameron and Granderson with all the strikeouts. I think that Church is a decent fielder and, in this park, would be able to at least nearly match Cameron’s power production.

    I have no problem bringing back Damon – in fact sure, bring back Damon, put him at DH, Swisher in LF and Church in RF.

    Nick Johnson at DH isn’t very likely – not when teams like the Mariners and Giants are looking at him as a 1b

    And Cashman has done everything except hire a skywriter to spell out that Matsui is not in his plans.

  139. ray (sox fan) December 9th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    “The nurses here worked with Florence Nightinggale and Clara Barton.”
    ______________________________________________________

    Then they are probably too young for you GB!! :)

  140. Nick D. December 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    So I’m a troll because I had something negative to say about the Yankees? That’s not allowed anymore? I’d bet I was going to Yankee games before most of you were born. That gives me the right to express my opinion even if you guys don’t like it.
    And yes, this WS title is tainted for me just like the 2 Boston titles and any other WS title won by a team that had known drug users on it. It amazes me how baseball fans have pretty much let this whole thing slide.
    When are you guys going to welcome Clemens back with open arms? He did the same exact thing as Pettitte. He just didn’t admit to it.
    ———-

    What are we supposed to do Paul? abandon the game? No. Thats not what a real fan does. Do I like that there are known PED users on my team? no. I nearly broke out in tears when it came out that Arod used roids. But it is an era in baseball and you just have to deal with it and move on. When you look around and see that most everyone else was doing it too you just kidna shrug and move on. Its the past. Do you discredit every team that won a championship before the league was integrated? Do you discount the dead/live ball eras? Pick one because the game substantially changed after that. What about the 1968 and 69 season when they raised the mound? Forget about them. The hitters needed to adjust. Also…every game ever thrown by a spit baller before they changed the rules…lets get rid of it.

    Baseball didn’t have sufficient drug testing back then and this crap was barely against the rules so the players did what any would do and kept up with everyone else. It took MLB to wake up to implement the testing and since then no one on the Yankees has tested positive. So you know what, think what you might but i’m goign to enjoy my team and the game of baseball. I’m sorry yor’re so “old-school” and jaded that you can’t enjoy baseball anymore.

  141. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    From Keith Law: And what I’ve heard on the Rafael Soriano situation, plus notes from @jcrasnick and @jaysonst: http://bit.ly/7dp6Nz

    Posting Follows:
    Rafael Soriano decided to accept salary arbitration, but that does not mean he will be pitching in Atlanta in 2010.

    ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick wrote that Soriano apparently felt more comfortable with a sure thing from Atlanta — one year and $6.5 to $8 million — than going out on the market. The Braves weren’t planning for this, and now they can try to trade Soriano. But any deal before June 15 would require his consent.

    Braves general manager Frank Wren told David O’Brien of the Atlanta JC that Soriano will be traded long before Opening Day.

    Jayson Stark, via Twitter, says the “Braves expected to pursue Juan Cruz-like “sign-and-trade” with Soriano and the Orioles could be one potential destination.”

    Baltimore could use a relief pitcher, particularly an arm that can close, since they dealt closer George Sherrill to the Dodgers last summer, and the lack of a long-term commitment makes sense for a lot of clubs.

    Might be something the Red Sox and Yankees look into as well.

  142. Bronx Born December 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    GB7 glad to hear all is well man! Watch out for those Tampa nurses they pack a mean needle.

  143. murphydog December 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    So that’s the going rate for a known drug user these days? $12M dollars? It sickens me that Yankee fans have given this guy, and ARod, a free pass for cheating on the game just because they came out and apologized for doing it.

    Would you cheer Andy Pettitte if he had gambled on baseball? Oh, wait, he’d be banned had he done that….”

    OK, let’s start with the fact that gambling is not PEDs. You are analogizing or equating the two and that’s your right, but not every agrees. But, assuming an equivalence, what punishment would satisfy you WRT Andy and A-Rod? Break them on the wheel? The contract remedies have been looked at and passed on by the parties involved and the Feds and local law enforcement have passed as well on any criminal issues. Not good enough for you, eh? OK, well, enjoy being the MLB vigilante.

    PEDs were widespread, to paraphrase Mitchell and Selig. So, shall we the game called baseball or go on form here? It was an ugly thing, but if youa re going to call out Andy and A-Rod, call out everybody else. Oh wait, you can’t the names of all the players weren’t leaked off the positve list and the Mithell report was a biased, half-arsed piece of crap that wouldn’t pass a peer review from any legit investigative or audit consultant.

    Andy was clean last year as was A-Rod (based on the absence of positive test results). Both put on excelent performances as CLEAN players. 99% of people are not happy about PEDs, me included, but the game goes on at this point.

    Get over yourself already.

  144. Paul from Cali December 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    My final comment is this: What do I want you guys to do about it? Voice your displeasure over cheating in your beloved sport. It’s the only thing you can do. By embracing guys like Andy and ARod you send the message that what they did was fine as long as they fessed up.

    I don’t tolerate cheating in my sports and neither should any of you. After all if there is cheating going on it’s not a sport anymore.

    All that said, GO YANKEES! Hopefully when they win #28 next summer I’ll actually be able to enjoy it….

  145. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Ray(Sox fan)
    I wasn’t talking about you I was talking about Paul from Cali. I agree with you that we should move on because steroids was widespread.

  146. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    A troll is someone who hijacks a thread and changes the subject usually to spew negativity about the subject that the forumn is about.. Paul you fit that definition quite nicely..

    Can we not talk about steriofs please , let the media do that.

  147. ray (sox fan) December 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Jeremy
    December 9th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
    Ray(Sox fan)
    “I wasn’t talking about you I was talking about Paul from Cali. I agree with you that we should move on because steroids was widespread.”
    _____________________________________

    No problem Jeremy. I kind of figured that is what you meant.

  148. Joe December 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Just remember how we all killed Cashman last year when he was making those signings and all that. Leave the guy alone, he knows what he’s doing. Im sure he knows what he’s doing. He’ll get us all our Halladay gift.

  149. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    So the payroll is roughly 187 Million for 2010 counting granderson and pettite.

  150. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    No incentives in Andy’s new 11.75M deal.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....Yankees%29

  151. reacher December 9th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    “Cheating” has always been part of the game as it has been part of life…unfortunately.
    In the context of the “game”, what could be more objectionable than a patent violation of the “between the lines” rules such as the “spitball”. Gaylord Perry who is in the HOF, was quite proud of what he had done that he tutored others, each of whom was willing to learn and “cheat”. With an “in your face” attitude he wrote a book about it. This, IMO, is far more egregious than doing steroids and potentially harming yourself (read..doing serious bodily harm)….since it is a direct violation of the rules of the game!!

  152. JCPD December 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Paul from Cali
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    But there’s no defense for cheating and the game has mostly been ruined for me.

    Simple solution, don’t watch baseball anymore. Switch to football or basketball or cycling or track and field. Oh, wait, that won’t work either. Heck, try table tennis.

  153. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    OK, so what’s next for the bombers?
    1) Damon or another outfield bat?
    2) Pitching depth in the starting rotation?
    3) Pitching depth in the pen (meaning we start the season with Joba and Phil in the rotation)?
    4) Doc?

    I’m thinking 1 and 3.

  154. bru December 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Paul from Cali
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
    So that’s the going rate for a known drug user these days? $12M dollars? It sickens me that Yankee fans have given this guy, and ARod, a free pass for cheating on the game just because they came out and apologized for doing it.

    Would you cheer Andy Pettitte if he had gambled on baseball? Oh, wait, he’d be banned had he done that….

    ——————————————————–

    he took ped’s to help his team

    leave the poor guy alone.

  155. LathamJoe December 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Gotta say it one more time….signing Damon over Matsui is a big time mistake!
    The Yankees “becoming more athletic” should not include signing Damon. He’s probably the worst left fielder in baseball – cannot throw, takes bad routes to the ball, gets bad jumps on ball, has mediocre depth perception – and has had numerous leg problems over the past few years.. As a DH, Matsui is twice the hitter Damon is…and much better in the clutch. Without Matsui there is no win in game 6 of the World Series. Nice reward, Godzilla!

    Trading Bruney for a Rule 5 Pick? Wow! That’s like getting a No.8 Draft Pick in the NFL! Yes, there are “diamonds in the rough” every now and then in Rule 5. But keep in mind that these picks have to stay on the 25-Man roster for a full season or be returned plus half the paying price.

  156. Warning Track Power December 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Welcome back Andy! Very happy to read he will return

    As for the Damon vs Matsui debate. If the Yankees could only sign 1 of the 2, I would hope we sign Damon.
    Matsui is strictly a DH. If he was to play the outfield, he would be far worse and more of a liability than Damon. Can anybody else see that other than myself?
    Damon might be a little older and not the best defensive player, but he gives the Yankees a better chance to win over Matsui.

  157. Rick December 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    For Paul from Cali – and those who agree with him:

    I just finished a great book, “The Soul of Baseball – A Road Trip Through Buck O’Neill’s America” by Joe Posnanski. On page 240, Posnanski asks what Buck thinks about steroids. He was certainly against kids using the stuff and ruining their bodies but, in effect, the cheating part did bother him much.

    He knew players who would do anything to win; use corked bats, spit on the ball, pop amphetamines, steal signals, load up on coffee for the caffeine. Those guys would do just about anything to win. Posnanski quotes Buck; “The only reason players in my time didn’t use steroids is because we didn’t have them.”

    We now have a generation of “great” players who’ve probably used steroids: Bonds, Mc Gwire, Sosa, Palermo, Clemens, Pettitte, ARod etc, etc. There’s bound to be a couple hundred more. I think, at this point, baseball has to do all it can to prevent cheating of any kind in the future, but it also has to stop the witch hunt for select few and move on.

  158. bru December 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    we gave up a lot for granderson

    we could of signed damon for 2 years,a few million more & kept 2 top prospects & a decent lefty

    i would be happy to sign damon,matsui,pettitte & use joba,ajax,kennedy for pitching

    right now we are not as good of a team that won the ws

  159. murphydog December 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    IMO, the 2010 Pettitte contract is about Cash and the Steinbrenners being honorable guys. Pettitte was signed to an incentive laden contract in ’09 to satisfy Yankee Budget Concerns. With the way he pitched when the money was on the line in the ’09 post season, a no-incentive $11.75 mil contract for 2010 is, IMO, called “doing the right thing.”

  160. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    The troll has hijacked this thread and we allowed it.

  161. EL Duque December 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Please don´t trade Swisher!

    He takes PITCHES!

    That´s too important in this game today!

  162. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    “we gave up a lot for granderson

    we could of signed damon for 2 years,a few million more & kept 2 top prospects & a decent lefty

    i would be happy to sign damon,matsui,pettitte & use joba,ajax,kennedy for pitching

    right now we are not as good of a team that won the ws”

    Can you wait until Cashman has completed his 2010 roster first before comparing the WS team to what the Yankees are today?

  163. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    “Damon might be a little older and not the best defensive player, but he gives the Yankees a better chance to win over Matsui.”

    I take it you missed Game 6 of the World Series. :P

  164. Rishi December 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    :arrow:

  165. reacher December 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees do “an Abreu” with Damon. Clearly, they were not pleased with Abreu for several reasons, said nothing and simply passed to the surprise of many. From his expressions in the dugout, and some of his actions, Girardi was NOT happy with Damon in the field for rather obvious reasons. I question whether he wants to go such a torturous route again; and, he may not have to given the Granderson deal and the typical Boras nonsense.

  166. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    “IMO, the 2010 Pettitte contract is about Cash and the Steinbrenners being honorable guys. Pettitte was signed to an incentive laden contract in ‘09 to satisfy Yankee Budget Concerns. With the way he pitched when the money was on the line in the ‘09 post season, a no-incentive $11.75 mil contract for 2010 is, IMO, called “doing the right thing.”

    Murphy,

    I think you’re right and that decision was made last week in Tampa.

  167. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    They didn’t give up too much for Granderson.

    Ian Kennedy isn’t even a Top 7 starter with the Yankees right now.

    Austin Jackson isn’t as highly rated by teams than by Yankee fans.

    Phil Coke can be easily replaced.

    That’s who went for a All Star CF.

    The original offer from the Tigers had Hughes and Dunn in it.

    Stop overvaluing every Yankee prospect.

    Just because they are in the system, it doesn’t mean they are stars to be.

  168. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Cashman has about 19M to work with if he wants to stay at or below last years Payroll.. Options:

    1) sign Damon or matsui to a one year deal and sign a starter like sheets or harden.
    2) trade for halladay and maybe squeeze in a bullpen arm or lesser starter.
    3) sign Holliday and maybe squeeze in bullpen or starter.
    4) decide to not lower the payroll and do any combo of the above.

    I have no idea what they will do but from what I can tell those are the options

  169. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:57 am
    “The nurses here worked with Florence Nightinggale and Clara Barton.”
    ______________________________________________________

    Then they are probably too young for you GB!!

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I have two words for you, Ray. They just can’t be said in public.

    How are things going in the “Icebox”, Ray? Hope you and the (sox fan) family are going well. I imagine that it’s about time to hook up your killer poodle to the sled and go mushing to the store, huh?

  170. NYY626 December 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    So this week I have met Mariano Rivera and the yankees re-signed Andy. Needless to say I’m a happy camper :)

    Wooohoo I cant wait to wear my new Pettitte WS jersey to the stadium next season.

  171. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    It’s fine to like Swisher, but the fact that he takes pitches is a little overblown.

    Damon and Matsui are comparable offensive players. How on earth is Matsui “twice” the hitter?

    Matsui’s OPS last year was 22 points higher and he drove in eight more runs, but Damon had 13 more extra base hits, 12 more SB and scored 45 more runs.

    Damon has been far more durable over the last four seasons despite Matsui getting to “rest” as the DH a lot more. I like both players, but if I can only have one and the $$$ is similar I’ll take Damon.

    Bru— Granderson makes the Yanks better defensively at all three OF positions which adds to his value. And he’s only 29.

  172. bru December 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    crawdaddy
    December 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
    “we gave up a lot for granderson

    we could of signed damon for 2 years,a few million more & kept 2 top prospects & a decent lefty

    i would be happy to sign damon,matsui,pettitte & use joba,ajax,kennedy for pitching

    right now we are not as good of a team that won the ws”

    Can you wait until Cashman has completed his 2010 roster first before comparing the WS team to what the Yankees are today?

    ————————————————-

    absolutely

    i agree but jmo that we gave up a lot

    better defensively,younger yes & cash is not done i know

    i just wish we can get a good young pitcher that is not 30 or older & makes 15-23 million a year

    we certainly have or had the prospects

  173. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Good news.

    Glad to hear we’ll have Andy back. I never tire of the big Texan.

    This is my two cents regarding pitching:
    If the Yankees are still entertaining the acquisition of a starter via trade, I’d personally prefer that they pursue a younger, cheaper starting pitcher if they are going to be forced to include two of Joba, Hughes, and Montero. I know we’ve mentioned Josh Johnson, but that seems a bit premature as far as Florida’s willingness to trade him goes. Felix, for all intents and purposes, SHOULD NOT be dealt by Seattle. Who else? By young I mean sub-28.

    Ultimately, I just don’t see Cashman making a trade unless asking prices go down. It will probably be one of Harden or Sheets in pinstripes, thus allowing the Yankees to use Joba and Hughes as starters with one of them working primarily out of the pen and making spot starts/functioning as insurance in the event of what I would argue is an inevitable injury to one of AJ, Sheets/Harden.

    The idea behind this, IMO, would be that in 2011 the Yankees should have a much clearer idea as to what they can expect from Hughes and Joba from a starting perspective. If both are looking good during their starts in 2010, they can go into 2011 with the two of them in the rotation at which point I’d guess that Pettitte will say sayonara once and for all. If Joba or Hughes just isn’t meeting the expectations of the organization, then trading either will be that much easier. Of course, they run the risk of diminishing their value at least a little bit.

    If they trade for a pitcher, well, there’s that solution. If they trade for another need, then they can pursue any number of free agent options for 2011.

    This is all too complicated!!! But fun to play with, right?

  174. steveoh December 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    So the payroll is roughly 187 Million for 2010 counting granderson and pettite.

    So I am not seeing how Halladay (or Holliday) would fit in the Yanks’ target budget.

    If they are looking for another bat for LF/DH, they should look for a RH imo. Look at the lineup now:

    Granderson – bad vs lhp
    Jeter – kills lhp
    Tex – switch, better to throw lhp at him at home
    A-Rod – doesn’t really matter who you throw at him
    Posada – switch, better to throw lhp at him at home
    Cano – better to throw lhp at him
    Swisher – switch, better to throw lhp at him at home
    Melky – switch, better to throw lhp at him at home, and he is better hitting lefthanded

    So, almost everyone in the lineup it is better to throw lhp at them, especially at YS.

  175. DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    GB, Nightengale & Barton? I’ll have to send a ‘private duty’ nurse for you champ.

  176. champ809 December 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    SJ44

    i gotta tell you…you’re stop overvaluing our prospects mantra is redundant and boring.

    “other teams didn’t rank him….” WHO CARES?!

    for every team that’s high on a player there is another team that knocks him…

    AJax is in fact highly regarded in the scouting community as is in fact the Yanks minor league system highly regarded inthe scouting community..

    “We got an all star CF…” there are some scouts/gms that may feel that Granderson is a notch below the true all star CF’ers in the game and that the Yanks would be better off with AJax. It’s opinions that may differ from yours that are all moot at this point so we move on.

    Please though for someone who has some knowledge please try and contribute more than the ill informed “they’re only prospects and have no value” spiel ad nauseum..

  177. UpState December 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am
    Chip, what is your obsession with mediocre to bad outfielders?

    Nady is average, Church is too. Those kind of guys are not regulars on championship teams.
    =====================
    ….both better than Melky (just not as cutesy)

  178. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    steveoh,

    I really wonder whether they’ll slot Granderson at leadoff, 2 hole, or bottom half.

    I just don’t see the need to mess with a good thing at leadoff…Jeter was unreal last year in that slot.

    This is probably the one reason I think we should really consider resigning Damon for a year or two. He was PERFECT in that two hole.

  179. steveoh December 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    steveoh,

    I really wonder whether they’ll slot Granderson at leadoff, 2 hole, or bottom half.

    I just don’t see the need to mess with a good thing at leadoff…Jeter was unreal last year in that slot.

    This is probably the one reason I think we should really consider resigning Damon for a year or two. He was PERFECT in that two hole.

    I think Jeter has shown that he can hit either #1 or #2. :)

    I also think he prefers to hit #2, like he has for most of his career.

    If they don’t get someone else like Damon that can hit #1/2, then I would favor putting Granderson #1 because of his high strikeout rate. I prefer to not have the #2 hitter striking out a lot.

    Or you could possibly leave Jeter at #1 and try Cano at #2, with Granderson somewhere below #5 (he’s not a #5 hitter imo).

  180. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    IPK is not a top prospect. When will some of the IPK fans understand this. He wasn’t that good and he is only a #4,#5 starter. The team did get better by getting Granderson.

  181. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 9th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    steveoh,

    The only issue I have with Jeter at 2 is that he does have a knack for GIDPs…thats why they swapped he and Damon last season.

    eh, we’ll just leave it to the professionals :)

  182. LathamJoe December 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    86w183:
    Trust me, Matsui is a better hitter than Damon. “Twice the Hitter” is an expression. Stats are a guide, but do not provide the complete picture of a players ability. I can quote stats too: Comparing the two as DHs, Matsui has a higher OBP (.361), has an OPS 100 points higher (.866) and a Slg Pct 100 points higher (.506) than Damon. Damon is a liability in the outfield. He is a DH candidate. The only thing that Damon does better than Matsui is run. I believe that Matsui, despite his knee problems, is even a better defensive LFer than Damon, but they could not risk cannot risk injury to his knees during the last 2 seasons.

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