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Searching for a Diamond in the Rough

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Johan Santana was a Rule 5 pick. So was Josh Hamilton and Shane Victorino (twice) and Dan Uggla. More often than not, though, Rule 5 picks hang around spring training for a while without ever having a realistic shot of making the big league roster. You might remember that the Yankees lost a whopping four players in last year’s Rule 5 and exactly none of them stuck with their new teams.

After the Brian Bruney trade, the Yankees have the top pick in this year’s draft (unless they trade it). Even at No. 1, though, this year’s class seems thin.

“There’s nothing,” said one scout who’s not with the Yankees. “I don’t think we’re going to be active at all.”

• The scout mentioned left-handed hitting catcher Brian Jeroloman as someone who has drawn some interest, but the scout wasn’t sure Jeroloman would fit with the Yankees. He’s been highly touted for his defense and on-base percentage, but Jeroloman’s strikeouts went way up this year. In the Rule 5 draft, it’s doubtful the Yankees could find a better backup catcher than Francisco Cervelli, but they might find someone to compete for the job.

Steve Henson has reported that the Yankees are planning to take hard-throwing right-hander Arquimedes Caminero. Baseball America has called Caminero, “one of the best arms available with premium arm strength.” He could be a legitimate bullpen option. My only hesitation in thinking the Yankees might go after him is that the Yankees chose not to protect two of their own “premium arm strength” right handers, Grant Duff and Kevin Whelan. Maybe Caminero is a lot better, I honestly don’t know. He’s barely pitched above short season ball.

• After trading Phil Coke, the Yankees could be in the market for a left-handed reliever. Of course, one Rule 5 preview lists the Yankees own Zach Kroenke as one of the top lefties available. Baseball America didn’t rank a single lefty among the top 10 Rule 5 prospects, and the two lefties who ranked in the top 20 were described as having “fringe” fastballs. Mike Dunn might be a better option.

• My own thinking says Chad Tracy (Jim Tracy’s son, not the big leaguer) or Matt McBride might make sense. Both are right-handed hitting outfielders/first basemen with fairly substantial experience at catcher. Both have some power as well. One of those two could add some outfield depth on the bench – something the Yankees might need – while also giving the Yankees a third catcher for days when Jorge Posada starts at designated hitter.

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165 Responses to “Searching for a Diamond in the Rough”

  1. CD December 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Buster Olney says if the yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block.

    Why would he do that?

  2. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    It should be interesting tomorrow.

  3. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    I think folks are making too much out of the Rule 5 Draft.

    Its something to talk about but, for every diamond in the rough, most of the guys are just fringe players.

    Re: Andy, the Yankees did the right thing by him. He deserves that deal and it was pretty clear a deal was going to get done quickly this time.

    They did him a solid just as he did them one last off-season.

    Shows the trust the two parties have with one another.

  4. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    “Buster Olney says if the yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block.

    Why would he do that?”

    Because they’re stupid.

  5. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    I think it might be Caminero.

  6. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    I feel like we are playing with house money for the rest of the ‘hot stove’…

  7. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    “Buster Olney says if the yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block. Why would he do that?”

    I don’t listen to Olney. The guy makes up half the stuff he says. Didn’t he say that the Yankees budget would top out at 185m? We’re already at 187m and we still need a LF and another pitcher. Guess he was wrong!

  8. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Never trust a guy named Buster.

  9. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    There are still some slots to fill on the team.

    However, aside from the whining from the usual crybabies, the team is in a great position to fill holes on their terms.

    Which is the way to do things.

  10. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    CD
    December 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
    Buster Olney says if the yanks sign Damon, then Cash will put Swisher on the trading block.

    Why would he do that?

    ******************
    I never pay attention to Olney’s “predictions”. They’re usually not very accurate

  11. Boogie Down- Hot Stove December 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    With Swisher, you have to weigh the positives and negatives. He’s a good clubhouse guy, but he can’t hit in Yankee stadium, and he was MIA in the playoffs.

  12. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    He didn’t say the payroll would be 185 million.

    In fact, what he said in the column was the Yankees would LIKE to get the payroll to 185 million but didn’t think it was possible.

    In these days of the internet, people only seem to cut and paste or write what they think they saw instead of what actually was written.

    If the Yankees sign Damon, they would be foolish not to listen to offers for Swisher. He becomes a power hitting commodity for the teams that miss out on Bay and Holliday.

    Doesn’t mean he will trade him but, he will listen if Damon is back into the fold.

  13. CD December 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    by the way, if the yanks sign Damon, then where will Granderson/Damon bat? I imagine curtis will bat 2nd and johnny will bat 5th or 6th.

  14. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Keith Law just posted about Doc: “The problem for New York is I’m not sure I buy the idea that a Montero-centered deal would be the best offer the Jays can get for Halladay. It could be a compelling one — Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package — but I could see three or four other clubs potentially topping that if they’re so motivated.”

    1) Why would we make that trade?
    2) Who would be stupid enough to top that trade?

  15. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    the only way they trade swisher is if its part of a bigger trade. I can’t think of a player for player trade that would make any sense.

  16. Boogie Down- Hot Stove December 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    If the Yanks don’t bring back Damon, I’m guessing the backup plan is Cameron. It looks like Melky is the odd man out right now.

  17. Boogie Down- Hot Stove December 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Blake,

    I agree. I think it might be for the right pitcher.

  18. saucY December 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    by the way, if the yanks sign Damon, then where will Granderson/Damon bat? I imagine curtis will bat 2nd and johnny will bat 5th or 6th.

    i was actually thinking the opposite. keeping johnny 5th with granderson following Alex. a little more OBP at the top.

  19. saucY December 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    meant keeping johnny 2nd…

  20. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    there is a reason klaw works at ESPN, he washed out as a baseball executive.

  21. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    I think Keith is overstating what an offer would be for Halladay.

    Nobody has offered Toronto anything close to that offer. If they did, Halladay would have already been traded.

    Every day he remains a Jay, the price goes down.

    I really think he’s going to start the season in Toronto now because nobody is going to break the bank (prospect-wise) to get him at this time.

  22. Boogie Down- Hot Stove December 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Granderson is going to bat in the bottom of the lineup. Especially if a Lefty is pitching.

  23. Wave Your Hat December 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    The only reason the Yanks will trade Swisher is if they have something else cooking to bring them another outfielder.

    Damon is not a substitute for Swisher. That would mean Melky plays every day in RF. Melky gives up a lot of offense as a RF, it doesn’t make any sense.

    The Yanks need to add an OF, not substitute for one.

  24. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    He didn’t wash out in Toronto. He left on his own to join ESPN and doubled his salary.

    Most people who double their salaries with a job move take the job.

  25. Doreen December 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    I don’t see the Yankees trading Hughes and keeping Joba. I don’t see the Yankees making that kind of an offer for Halladay. I don’t think the Yankees would be in any particular hurry in the Halladay situation anyway.

  26. G. Love December 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    I don’t trade Swisher even if Damon comes back.

    While I can get on board with an OF of Swisher, Granderson and Melky with a good full time DH, I can’t get on board with an OF of Damon, Granderson and Melky.

    Right now with Granderson and Swisher we have the potential to get 60 HR’s from CF and RF. Add Damon to that OF and we have the potential to get 80-85 HR’s out of our OF which in this day and age is RARE.

    And then there’s the intangibles that Swisher was a part of this past season.

    When I did the Stadium tour and they let you in the locker room you knew exactly which locker was Swisher’s without looking at the nameplate.

    It had news clippings and pictures from a lot of the bigger moments of the season pasted up in it.

    Say what you want, but that kind of enthusiasm had been missing from this team for quite awhile.

    Is he perfect? No. But he can play RF for me, especially since he never once complained when he was removed for defense late in the games. He fits in well with this team.

  27. Boogie Down- Hot Stove December 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    SJ44,

    As soon as the RedSox said they weren’t trading Bucholtz or Kelly, Toronto lost alot of leverage.

  28. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    SJ, I don’t get why the Yankees would trade Swisher. I think they need to concentrate on pitching – their RF is fine. If they don’t start concentrating on pitching (I don’t count Andy, because he was coming back), then the guys they want may all be gone. I don’t see how improving our RF is a priority at this point.

  29. CD December 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    saucY-thats sounds good to me.

  30. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    As Keith Law has pointed out, due to a change in the eligibility rules a few years ago, there are less talented prospects available now than there once were, so the Rule 5 draft has few projectable players.

  31. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I’m hoping the Yanks resign Damon. Then they could hit Granderson 5th or 6th depending if the pitcher is a lefty or not.
    Jeter – R
    Damon – L
    Tex – S
    ARod – R
    Granderson – L
    Jorge – S
    Cano – L
    Swisher – S
    Cabrera – S

  32. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    We won’t trade Montero. And I’d be very surprised if we would trade Swish without picking up some more homers somewhere.

  33. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    SJ. Just because he for his salary doubled to be an analyst doesn’t mean he was any good as an executive. besides Neyer he’s one of the least qualified guys at espn to evaluate anything..

  34. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    G. Love
    December 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
    I don’t trade Swisher even if Damon comes back.

    ******************
    I agree, and I really don’t see Swish getting traded.

  35. V December 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I personally like Aneury Rodriguez or Yohan Pino in the Rule V draft.

    Too bad Rene Tosoni isn’t eligible yet (though the Twins would have probably protected him if he were).

  36. rodg12 December 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Haha, blake = owned over KLaw comment. Gotta love it when somebody shoots off at the mouth when they have no idea what they’re talking about…

  37. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    The Yankees have a ton of money committed in 2011 without including Jeter and Mo. Trading Swisher would free up $9.5m, which is not insignificant.

    If Damon will take one year, fine. If not, see ya.

  38. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    So forget what I said about the Braves Soriano as a possibility for the Yanks. Buster just said he wants to be a closer.

  39. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I think the Yanks still need 2 hitters with at least one of them being an outfielder. Damon doesn’t make Swisher expendable. Olney is basically just speculating using his usual faulty logic. Nothing new there..

  40. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Neyer is a very smart guy no matter what some people want to pretend.

  41. G. Love December 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    I actually think the Yankees and Cashman showed the rest of the league that you shouldn’t have to “pay twice” for premium players.

    Waiting it out for CC and not giving up the farm for Johan and then signing Johan to an extension turned out to be a very wise decision. One I didn’t agree with at the time.

    Now, I don’t want to give up too many players for Doc and then sign him to a CC deal. I’d rather wait till Doc is a free agent and bring him here and lose no one.

    If you’re trading for a guy with years to go on his deal like Granderson, it’s a completely different story.

    But trading for a 1 year contract? It doesn’t make sense to pay twice unless you feel that the prospects you are giving up truly aren’t in the picture for your organization long term.

    If we do trade for Doc, whoever we give up are guys that Cashman deemed expendable and not part of the Yankee future.

    I think at some point Toronto is going to be on their knees and Cashman is going to have a chance to get Doc without giving up Joba/Phil/Montero.

    While Toronto can wait for the draft picks after next season they have to pay Doc 16 million to do so.

    It becomes a question that if Romine/Pena and a few other prospects from the lower levels don’t make more sense to Toronto now than having to pay Doc to pitch for them this season.

    It should be interesting.

  42. jpb1973 December 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Chad,

    Arquimedes Caminero is only 22 years old, while Duff and Whelan are bothe significantly older. Thats probably why they didn’t protect those two.

  43. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Blake,

    He was a very good executive in the game. He turned down 2 Asst. GM jobs in baseball to take the ESPN gig because he wanted to cover every team instead of working for one team.

    He’s a Harvard graduate and very, very smart on the inner workings of the game.

    You don’t have to agree with everything he writes. However, he’s one of the brightest people covering the game today.

    Wave,

    I agree re: Swisher. The only way he gets dealt is if something else is coming back to upgrade the team in the OF.

    I don’t think the Yankees would have any problems with a Melky-Granderson-Swisher OF, with Damon as a combo DH/LF.

    I think that was the “grand plan” heading into the off-season when they realized Granderson was on the market.

    If Johnny doesn’t want to return on the Yankees terms, they can re-shape the plan on the fly. That’s another benefit of having Granderson in the fold at this time.

  44. Mike RI December 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    I think the Yanks still need 2 hitters with at least one of them being an outfielder. Damon doesn’t make Swisher expendable. Olney is basically just speculating using his usual faulty logic. Nothing new there..

    – not sure if i understand Olney here. who would play RF ??

  45. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Haha. Exactly how was I owned? He isn’t an executive anymore is he? He left to be an analyst, I didn’t say he got fired. Have you heard any reports of teams wanting to hire him? He was an assistant GM for a few years in Toronto and that’s about it. Just because ESpn hired hi. Doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about..

    This topic is off subject anyway.. Let’s move on

  46. CR9 December 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    “he wanted to cover every team instead of working for one team.”

    That’s quite an excuse. If he wanted to cover every team, why go to ESPN? They only cover 1 team.

    And now on my bashing of Klaw, as he says that “other teams have a better package than Phil, Montero, McAlister, plus another prospect” for Roy.

  47. MFC December 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Peter Gammons now works for NESN; what a joke. At least I dont ever have to hear him on espn again.

  48. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    SJ44, I’d have to agree on all counts. Swisher isn’t going anywhere. I’d guess Damon is still in Cashman’s plans.

  49. charlestonchew December 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    So why exactly do we need a LF and DH and Roy Halladay?

    We need a DH *OR* a LF and NOT Halladay. Halladay is unnecessary and is going to cost us a lot to improve a team that is clearly the best in baseball already.

    We need to pretend to want him so that Boston overpays (or whoever else).

    Matsui is more valuable imo as the DH than Damon is replacing Melky – plus he’d likely cost less. We should give Matsui 1 year at 12-14 million and go for a Sheets type.

    Our team is incredible at this point. Let’s calm down with the pipe dreams.

  50. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Here’s my theory:

    Yankees sign Damon to a 1 year deal to DH & play Melky in LF
    They then send Swisher to Atlanta for Rafael Soriano (Salaries would likely be a wash after Sori gets his arbitration award, and the Yankees shave 7 mil off next year’s payroll)
    Yankees sign Ryan Church to play RF and bring in a RH bat for the bench

    Why would they do this you ask? Because doing so opens up both RF and LF next winter when they can put a full court press on both Crawford and Werth.

  51. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    “Halladay is unnecessary”

    What does necessary have to do with it? He makes the team better. If he’s available at the right price, you do it.

  52. Cheetah Woods December 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    I tell ya, when it rains it pours, but in Tiger’s case, it’s a monsoon. just when you think things can’t get worse, it does (over and over and over again).

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gos....._can_.html

  53. RMEL December 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    KLaw hates the Yankees and wants them to pretty much give up everything for Doc….i don’t believe a word he says

  54. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    GLove,

    The funny thing about Cashman setting the trend of not paying twice for a player is, it puts the Red Sox in a bind.

    They can’t empty their system for Hallday. Not with other holes on the their team.

    They are shopping Mike Lowell and can only deal him if they take back a “bad contract” in return.

    Doing so puts them in an even tougher spot to fill holes on the team.

    Costructing a team is all about flexibility. When you have it, you can do a lot of things.

    When you don’t, you are stuck and you lose years.

    That’s why Theo keeps calling this time for the Sox a “bridge time”.

    In other words, he doesn’t have enough bullets in his gun to make all of the moves needed to improve his team.

  55. blake December 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    going to Harvard doesn’t mean anything when it comes to evaluating baseball players. I’m sure he’s a fine pencil pusher but I’m not sure how you can say he was a good executive when the only team he ever worked for stinks and stunk when he was there too.

  56. ADam December 9th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    This has prob been answered a few times but when is the rule 5 draft??

  57. CD December 9th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Our team is incredible at this point. Let’s calm down with the pipe dreams.

    Not true. We still don’t have a proven 4th and 5th starter.

  58. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    “KLaw hates the Yankees and wants them to pretty much give up everything for Doc….i don’t believe a word he says”

    Try to be more discerning. You should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

  59. jennifer December 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    MFC

    He also works for the mlb network. JOY.

  60. rodg12 December 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    blake -
    You said he ‘washed out as an executive’ which is a statement that was proven to be completely and totally false. I call that getting owned…

  61. bru December 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    any chance we sign lackey

    he is an al pitcher who is cheaper than doc but won’t cost any prospects?

    our pitching is nasty with

    cc
    lackey
    burnett
    pettitte
    joba
    hughes

    & we keep montero

    it also gives up options to trade hughes/joba going forward???

  62. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    The Yankees have no interest in Ryan Church and Johnny Damon isn’t signing a one year deal with anybody.

    You have an obcession with wanting the Yankees to fill their roster with washed out players. Ryan Church being the latest guy.

    The last few years, they haven’t paid over 4 million dollars for any relief pitcher outside of Mariano. They aren’t going to pay the 7-8 million Soriano will command via arbitration.

    Especially when they already have a very good bullpen.

  63. William Buckner December 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    “Keith Law just posted about Doc: “The problem for New York is I’m not sure I buy the idea that a Montero-centered deal would be the best offer the Jays can get for Halladay. It could be a compelling one — Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package — but I could see three or four other clubs potentially topping that if they’re so motivated.”

    The only problem I read with this, is it doesn’t consider that Halladay will have a large say as to which team he goes to.

    A team can offer more, but that doesn’t mean he will agree to be traded there…

    And KLaw is by far one of the best. Smart guy. Really understands players value. And brutally honest. If he stayed, he may be a GM by now.

  64. Ninja Burglar December 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Everyone wanted to trade Swisher last offseason after Tex was signed and Swish seemed like the odd man out with Nady in RF. How did all that turn out?

  65. Hokiehill December 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    I’m sure by now you all have heard that Peter Gammons is leaving ESPN for the MLB network…and big shocker here, he’ll be doing work for NESN as well! (Sorry if this is old news but I haven’t been in the comments section much since the WS ended)

  66. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    ” and Johnny Damon isn’t signing a one year deal with anybody.”

    Then I don’t want him.

  67. JK December 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    So Gammons now works with NESN and get’s to promote the Redsox front office propaganda on MLBTV….. great!!!

  68. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Blake,

    Put it to you another way. He knows a lot more about the game than you do and is making a good living at it.

    He must be doing something write.

  69. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    ” It could be a compelling one — Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package ”

    That’s chaff.

  70. JohnC December 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I still hope the Yanks take a chance on a Ben Sheets or Rich harden or Justin Duchserer, and sign Chapman.

  71. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I don’t believe Law “hates” the Yankees. I think Law tries his best to make a name for himself by going against the conventional wisdom. He wants to be thought of as being smarter than the other analysts and often times there’s no reason for his opinion – when that’s the case and he’s asked why he feels a certain way, rather than giving an answer he responds with a sarcastic comment – a sure sign that he’s got nothing.

    But it’s not just the Yankees, he does it across the board.

    Now his theory on why the Yankees couldn’t get Halladay for a Montero-centric package is based on his belief that Montero won’t stay at catcher and if he doesn’t stay at catcher then where would Toronto play him with Lind at DH? I get the theory – but I would rather see Montero fail at catcher before simply assuming he can’t do it.

  72. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Braves aren’t taking on two years of Swish money, plus I wouldn’t deal an OF with 30 HR power for a set up man, nor would I pay a set up man $ 8 Million

    Damon as the primary DH with occasional Of duties gives the Yanks more versatility than Matsui, but I don’t think either is getting more than $ 10 Million and probably less.

    There are plenty of DH/fourth OF types out there for a lot less money.

    If there is to be a significant addition it should be for the rotation…. nothing is more important than starting pitching.

  73. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Maybe Gammons left ESPN becuse he knows it stinks.

    No sports fan I know likes ESPN these days.

  74. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    The other point about Keith and Doc is that they are very close friends.

    Keith believes Doc is the best pitcher in baseball and the Jays ought to sign him instead of trading them.

    To that end, he believes if the Jays don’t get aboslute maximum value for him, its a dumb trade.

    Not a bad position to take, given Hallday’s talents.

  75. MFC December 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    jennifer
    December 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    MFC

    He also works for the mlb network. JOY.

    —————————————-

    Yea I read this also, but at least I really never see a need to put on the mlb network seeing as though I have YES, and comcast sportsnet.

    When he talks it ususally sounds like this in my head:
    “Blah blah blah I love the redsox, more bias statements, I wish i was at fenway blah blah blah.”

  76. CC Rider December 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Good to see Andy back. They gave him a fair deal, which he deserves.

    Here’s an article focusing on the minor league days of Pettitte and Posada:
    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....;fext=.jsp

  77. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Law was a Yankee fan growing up. I think he overcompensates now.

  78. David December 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Sorry to jump back to the Granderson trade, but it occurred to me that this isn’t the first time the Yanks traded for an outfielder with good power and speed, but a low OBA and lots of strikeouts. I’m referring to Raul Mondesi. I hope Granderson doesn’t turn out to be another Mondesi. :(

  79. blake December 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Sj, oh I highly doubt that my friend. He may know more about the business end but the actual playing of the game, not a chance

  80. Simon December 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Can someone explain to me Wang’s contract situation? If we “non-tender” him, what exactly would be not be tendering…and when do we have to tender or not tender it by? And, how much would such tendering cost?

  81. G. Love December 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    SJ,

    I think the Red Sox are in a complete bind this off season.

    They are under a lot of pressure from the fanbase to “do something”. Scutaro and Tug Hulett didn’t satisfy anyone.

    That’s going to cause them to overpay in years and dollars for Bay or Holliday and it might cause them to empty the vault for Doc which I think could turn out to be a team killer for them.

    If the Red Sox acquire Doc, they will most definitely have to pay twice. They’ll lose their young “Peter Gammons Traveling All Stars” and they will have to give Doc CC money or close to it.

    That’s Pandora’s box for the Red Sox. Start paying a pitcher 20 million and a season and every good starter (including Beckett and Lester who have won a title there) will want 20 million a season or they will walk or become disgruntled.

    This is why I think the Yankees have zero competition for Doc. I don’t think the Red Sox will trade players and then set a salary precedent for their starting pitchers.

    I really think the Yankees have a shot to get Doc for the same price the Mets paid to get Johan.

    Unless Doc comes out and says he’s willing to go to another team without an extension.

    If that happens, then he’ll be in Anaheim or Philly for one year before hitting free agency.

  82. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    It’s one thing to get baseball/sports news from ESPN and MLB Network, but, that shouldn’t mean to get your views from the “talent” on the shows. They’re main business is entertainment and that means that everyone gets assigned an opinion so nobody has the same one.

    If they agreed, nobody would watch. The other thing is, they all know that the biggest ratings come from banging on the Yankees and Cowboys in particular, or, anybody that’s making news.

  83. saucY December 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    So Gammons now works with NESN and get’s to promote the Redsox front office propaganda on MLBTV….. great!!!

    ———

    fwiw, Leiter is very pro-Yankee on the MLB Network…

  84. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    “To that end, he believes if the Jays don’t get aboslute maximum value for him, its a dumb trade.”

    But the issue is what is the max return for a player with a NTC when only a few teams can both afford and be in a position to win so as to satisfy Hallady’s stated desire.

    I believe it is far less than Law imagines.

  85. jennifer December 9th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    MFC

    When he talks about the Yankees he always manages to slip the red soxs in the conversation. I can’t stand him. I was so happy to hear he left espn, but was sad again when I heard he was joining MLBtv. I can’t even listen to espn radio in NY now, it is going to be an all out love fest for Peter.

  86. jennifer December 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Simon

    I think if we non tender him he is a free agent.

  87. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Can someone explain to me Wang’s contract situation? If we “non-tender” him, what exactly would be not be tendering…and when do we have to tender or not tender it by?

    Wang made 5 mil last year and is up for arbitration. If the Yankees tender him an offer then likely they would have to pay him somewhere between 3 and 5 mil.

    By non-tendering him he becomes a free agent and is free to sign with any club.

  88. jennifer December 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Oh great Gammons going on WFAN. He guy is everywhere. This is just awful!

  89. bru December 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    i think non tender means that he will not be tendered a contract or given.

    tender 1) v. to present to another person an unconditional offer to enter into a contract. 2) to present payment to another. 3) n. delivery, except that the recipient has the choice not to accept the tender. However, the act of tender completes the responsibility of the person making the tender. (See: offer, delivery)

  90. Patrick from CT December 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    There is no Rule 5 player out there that will stick on the Yankees past spring training. Deal the pick if possible.
    Granderson was Johnnie Damon’s replacement and is an upgrade in the outfield over anyone the Yankees had out there last year.
    The only way I see Damon coming back is if there is no long term (3 year) deal out there for him. The Yankees would probably sign him for 1 year to replace Sui at around 10mil or maybe stretch to like 2 years 16mil.
    Right now the Yankees could go with the 4 guys they have for the OF without any more moves. If they do add Damon, I don’t see why they keep both Melky and Gardy on the 25man. Melky would get traded or Gardy to AAA. I know Granderson only replaces half of the Damon Sui production but someone will be DH’ing.
    How about Nady on short money?

    Bring back Andy is a great move even if he only ends up be a 180 inning, 12-10, guy. He’s got a huge heart and knows how to get it done in the playoffs.

    Honestly I think the Yankees could go to sping training wilth what they have now and be the favorite for the AL east.
    They won’t because they are the Yankees. There is one more big move coming! You can take that too the bank…

  91. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Get this:

    Keith Law on the possibility of the Yankees topping the Halladay trade market:

    The problem for New York is I’m not sure I buy the idea that a Montero-centered deal would be the best offer the Jays can get for Halladay. It could be a compelling one — Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package — but I could see three or four other clubs potentially topping that if they’re so motivated.

    ***********

    He’s got to be kidding, lol. I know he hates the Yankees, but at least pretend to be objective

  92. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    so anybody care to guess which Rule 5 guy that Yanks ask Wash to draft?

  93. bru December 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    i think a lot of writers are not in touch with reality as far as what it would cost in prospects for players in a trade

    we heard it with santanna & now with doc

    halladay is in control here

    he has a ntc,saying once the season starts he will not accept a trade & will not re-sign with the jays

    the jays are under a ton of pressure & won’t get equal value in return

  94. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “The only way I see Damon coming back is if there is no long term (3 year) deal out there for him. The Yankees would probably sign him for 1 year to replace Sui at around 10mil or maybe stretch to like 2 years 16mil.”

    Given their payroll commitments for 2011, I don’t see how they could.

  95. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Regarding Gammons and the MLBN, according to him he won’t be doing what he did for ESPN which was reporting on player movement and being available everyday to talk about baseball. He’s going to do some writing for certain overview segments and might make some appearances, but will leave the hard reporting to guys like Verducci, Heyman and Rosanthal. Also, he will be appearing on NESN.

  96. Betsy -high on pie December 9th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    I still think the Sox will eventually give up Bucholz….and I’m sorry, but it doesn’t make me feel better knowing the Sox traded a few good prospects for Halladay. All I know is that that rotation would be utterly ridiculous………

  97. pat December 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Agent Randy Hendricks says Aroldis Chapman will throw a side session next week for #RedSox, #Yankees and others.

  98. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “All I know is that that rotation would be utterly ridiculous………”

    Betsy,

    I’m not so sure about that trade possibility because both Halladay and Beckett will be free agents after next season and they’re both going after big contracts. I can’t see the Red Sox tieing up 40M for two pitchers over the next several seasons.

  99. Abdababdaserser December 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    saucY, Leiter isn’t anti-Yankee on MLB, but he tends to be very balanced with how he presents things. While he has his ties to the Yankees I haven’t noticed him hesitating to say what he thinks.

    MLB is pretty decent in that it seems to present the various staff’s views on things, as they see it.

    ESPN doesn’t come off that way. Yankee trashing is a common theme with them, the best they do is the backhanded compliments, always tied to some negative commentary.

  100. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    “Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package — but I could see three or four other clubs potentially topping that if they’re so motivated.”

    Boston would top that how? With Bucholz and Lester or Papelbon? Yeah, that makes sense.

  101. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Betsy,

    do I have this correct: you are already feeling about about something that hasn’t happened and probably won’t?

  102. Noreaster December 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Betsy, I don’t see the Sox having much depth in their rotation. If they get Doc, they will have to give up Laptop and Beckett hasn’t been Beckett for a few years now. Plus, you move to 4,5 and who do you have? A 5 inning pitcher and a 42 year old. (But don’t take my word on it, I’m a ‘hater’)…

  103. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    “Yahoo’s Tim Brown tweets that the Brewers will agree with Wolf today on a three-year deal worth just under $30MM.”

    Thank goodness. One more mediocre pitcher some have campaigned for that we won’t be seeing in Pinstripes any time soon.

  104. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Rich,

    I agree. He’s taking the position of asking for so much, he stays in Toronto and re-signs. I think if he was the GM, that would be his preference.

    I agree with GLove. The Yankees have no competition for his services right now.

    Also, Hallday is playing this smartly.

    He is saying he doesn’t want to sign an extension with anybody right now.

    That puts the Jays in a bind.

    Nobody is giving them real value for a one year rental of Roy Hallday.

    IMO, that’s payback by Hallday for not getting dealt in July.

    He was ticked off JP didn’t trade him in July and I think he’s going to be very assertive that if he is traded, he’s going to where he wants to go. Regardless of the offers the Jays get.

  105. CD December 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    A very interesting picture of gammons has surfaced:

    http://img709.imageshack.us/im.....ammons.jpg

  106. DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    I’m not even going to speculate on Rule 5 options, because I don’t know enough to intelligently do so, and am a bit perplexed at the transaction. I’m not sure if it was intentionally targeted to get that #1 pick or Bruney was just being ‘punished’ for his post-WS celebratiory performance in the clubhouse.

    I would like to get Halladay, but see absolutely no urgent need to do so if any of Hughes, Joba, or Montero is part of that deal.

    Honestly, I’m content to have the rotation as is with CC, AJ, Andy as my lead, and Joba and Hughes as my back end. That said, I wouldn’t object to a Ben Sheets as our #4, and either Hughes or Joba as our #5. (I had to change my to our – guess the team isn’t mine after all).

  107. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    CD
    December 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
    A very interesting picture of gammons has surfaced:

    http://img709.imageshack.us/im…..ammons.jpg

    ******************
    LOL

  108. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    The only way Halladay gets traded to the Red Sox is if John Henry does the deal himself without Theo.

    If that happens, the Red Sox will drain their system and that will hurt them more than help them.

    Particularly if Doc decides not to sign with them when he is a FA.

    Betsy,

    I wouldn’t worry over something that probably isn’t going to happen.

  109. blake December 9th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    If the reports yesterday are true and halladay is going to become a free agent and not sign an extension then I don’t see about giving up much for him

  110. Abdababdaserser December 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I’m not convinced that Buchholz is all that good. It seems the main value he has is that he threw a no hitter, then stunk, then was kept hidden in the minors and then pitched in the majors against teams that were already eliminated.

    I think the Sox keep dangling him out there and then saying that they won’t trade him in an effort to build his value.

    For all we know, Toronto has told the Sox that Buchholz wouldn’t do it for a trade. In one way, with that Yankee/Granderson trade, he was nearly equated with Ian Kennedy. Not knocking on Ian here, but if the Tigers were looking for Elsberry and Buchholz for Granderson and took a prospect and Coke and Kennedy (though he was tied in to some of the value for the D’Backs getting Jackson), it doesn’t seem like the value of Buchholz is all that high. Elsberry at least has proven himself a major league player so his value is way higher than A Jackson.

  111. Alex Anthropologist December 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    “Yahoo’s Tim Brown tweets that the Brewers will agree with Wolf today on a three-year deal worth just under $30MM.”

    Hey looks like the economy is starting to improve, if not, for the brewers given the looks of this contract.

    Brewers did terrible with signing suppan, I wonder if this deal will bite them again.

  112. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Regarding Randy Wolf:

    11:46am: Haudricourt writes that there is a fourth-year club option and the value of the deal is “just under $30MM.” Rosenthal says the final number is $29.75MM.

  113. Nick in SF December 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Are the Yankees technically allowed to trade the pick? Or would they have to trade it the same way the Pirates did, as a PTBNL?

  114. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    “Montero, Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, plus one is a nice package — but I could see three or four other clubs potentially topping that if they’re so motivated.”

    Boston would top that how? With Bucholz and Lester or Papelbon? Yeah, that makes sense.
    ——————————–

    That’s not a completely absurd statement by Law.

    Let’s look at it from his point of view:

    Montero – Terrific projectable bat but his ability to remain at catcher is very much in doubt

    Phil Hughes – Young pitcher with plenty of upside who has had trouble staying healthy and has been so-so as a starter

    McAllister – probable back end of the rotation starter if he continues to develop

    It is possible that another team would trump that. Say the Angels for example if they were so inclined could offer Mike Napoli and Joe Saunders with Brandon Wood- two proven, young, major leaguers.

    He’s not saying the players that the Yankees could offer are bad, just saying it’s not the be all and end all.

    It’s kinda moot anyway – Brian has said that signing Andy would end his interest in Halladay.

  115. disco stu December 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    “I still think the Sox will eventually give up Bucholz….and I’m sorry, but it doesn’t make me feel better knowing the Sox traded a few good prospects for Halladay. All I know is that that rotation would be utterly ridiculous………:”

    Hey Betsy … The Red Sox have similar issues like we did back in 2007 … key players with expiring contracts … most notably, Jason Bay this year and Josh Beckett next year.

    The Red Sox need to address left field and quick. If they lose Bay to a team like Seattle, they will have to move fast and probably overpay for Matt Holliday to ensure that no one else sweeps in and takes him. Otherwise, they are in trouble because their offensive productivity is severly impacted. Who else could they get that could make up the offense they lose if Bay walks … trade for Adrian Gonzalez? Then they have no shot at Halladay because they trade their chips for a bat.

    But even if they do sign either Bay or Holliday, they would then have to trade for and sign an extention to Halladay. What about Beckett next year? Do they let him walk or resign him and have to pitchers making close/over 20 million per year? What about Lester when he becomes a free agent? Are they going to just keep throwing money around like that?

    I have my doubts.

  116. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
    Are the Yankees technically allowed to trade the pick? Or would they have to trade it the same way the Pirates did, as a PTBNL?

    Would “trading the rights to Washington’s first pic” be more accurate?

  117. bru December 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    halladay if he is smart he signs an extention as soon as possible

    why on earth would he wan’t to pitch a year when he is at his highest value now?

    if he gets hurt or pitches bad he is dead as one person said

    use your leverage but don’t abuse it

    if i am him i don’t wait for fa to sign an extention when i can get 5 yrs/23 million a year now

  118. Tom in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    If this is really a “bridge year” for the Red Sox why would they sign a 34 year old shortstop and give up a #1 pick?

  119. blake December 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Chip, yea its possible that another team could top it but why woull they of its for a one year rental. The reports yesterday were that Halladay was leaning toward not signing an extension with any team

  120. Nick in SF December 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    “If this is really a “bridge year” for the Red Sox why would they sign a 34 year old shortstop and give up a #1 pick?”

    See: either “bridge to nowhere” or “Chappaquiddick” joke yesterday.

  121. SJ44 December 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    When did Cashman say signing Andy eliminated his interest in Halladay?

    There aren’t any quotes attributed to him I’ve seen that says anything about Halladay.

  122. CD December 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Tom in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    If this is really a “bridge year” for the Red Sox why would they sign a 34 year old shortstop and give up a #1 pick?
    ===============================

    They gave up a vaunted #1 pick because the farm system has a bumper crop — they have so many blue-chip prospects they don’t what to do with all of them [/snark]

  123. XLJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Stupid trade by the yanks. Giving up Jackson and Kennedy for basically a platoon player LOL.

    Now I just read on mlbtraderumors that the yanks are interested in Mike Cameron. Yankees are looking to collect a bunch of hitters that strikeout too much.

    Cashman should be fired. I challenge him to keep the payroll under 185 million.

  124. DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    If Halladay won’t sign an extension, then the BJs only get B-prospects, again an area where the Yankees are deep.

  125. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    We don’t need Halladay and I don’t see the yankees getting him.

    Keep Hughes and Montero.

  126. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Nobody who’s paying attention really questions whether Montero can stay at catcher anymore.

  127. timo December 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Rick
    December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
    I wonder if someone would please help with a question?

    I realize that the Yanks haven’t traded for Granderson to sit against LH – at least not most. Everyone keeps bringing up how much O’Neill improved against southpaws after coming to the Yanks. Does anyone remember if Paulie started against most LH right away or was he basically platooned at the beginning?
    __________________________________

    O’Neill was platooned at the beginning of ’93, mostly with Velarde. He didn’t get a start against a lefty until May 29 of that year.

  128. Tom in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Exclusive video prediction of Red Sox bridge year. It’s ‘The Greatest Camera Scoop of all time!’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE

  129. CD December 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    XLJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Stupid trade by the yanks. Giving up Jackson and Kennedy for basically a platoon player LOL.

    Now I just read on mlbtraderumors that the yanks are interested in Mike Cameron. Yankees are looking to collect a bunch of hitters that strikeout too much.

    Cashman should be fired. I challenge him to keep the payroll under 185 million.
    =======================================

    See what happens on a snow day — the kids get ahold of the intertubes and it’s “Home Alone” in cyberspace.

  130. Abdababdaserser December 9th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    The Red Sox also have to do something with Lowell (gee I remember some advocating that Lowell would have been the best replacement for ARod when he opted out). They also have Papelbon coming up soon for a contract or trade. Beckett contract or would they try trading him instead of getting picks?

    Their DH may or may not hit depending on chemical balances. They don’t have a good catcher, even though they have one so – so catcher who should be at 1st base, who can hit. Left is empty for now, and Bay was dancing on his head about going to the Mariners (odd comment coming from someone who was supposed to want to stay with them).

    Wakefield is decent, but what if his back goes out again? Dicey K is tough to figure out, he has good stuff but no command, doesn’t go deep. Bullpen has some troubles, but that is always a year to year issue with any bullpen.

    I don’t see Halladay being that “one piece” they need to position themselves for a championship run. I think they are in a position where they are competitively rebuilding like the Yankees just did.

    I also think their finances aren’t as rosey as they would have people believe. People complain about the Yankees spending when they don’t have it to spend. Henry and Tito have been making tons of comments on this over the past year.

  131. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    “•John Paul Morosi of Fox Sports tweets that Rich Harden is “willing to sign a one-year deal with a lot of incentives.” Will he exceed Brad Penny’s $7.5MM base salary? ”

    7M base plus incentives that could reach 12M? Does that get it done? If he and Sheets could be had for that type of deal, I think I would prefer Sheets, but Harden would be OK as the number 4 or 5 starter. That would allow Joba/Hughes to be in the rotation, but we wouldn’t have to be saddled with both if they are not living up to their abilities.

  132. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    XLJ
    You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Granderson is a good player. And the only prospect that was good was Austin Jackson.

    About Cashman being fired. Thee team won the World Series and he helped to build the farm so I trust him more than you.

    You’re just another fan-arm chair gm who doesn’t know what he/she is talking about.

  133. CD December 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    # DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    If Halladay won’t sign an extension, then the BJs only get B-prospects, again an area where the Yankees are deep.
    ==============================================

    at this point, the Jays are better off waiting for Doc to leave so they can collect a Type-A draft choice.

  134. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Regarding the rotation – the Yankees are meeting with the representatives for Sheets and Harden. I could see them giving one of them a very incentive laden contract.

    One more thing on the Granderson deal – the Yankees have made moves to deepen their talent pool in the OF (drafting Slade Heathcott, signing that Dominican player a week or so ago) both of which project better than Jackson does; so I think that made Jackson more expendable than he was a year ago.

    And I can see the logic in moving Swisher – the question as always is who are you moving him for and how are you replacing him.

    If the Yankees were to work out a deal with, let’s say the Royals, a team desperate to add power to their lineup. The Yankees could send Swisher to KC for DeJesus and Juan Cruz (to balance out the salaries this year) and then plug DeJesus into LF this year.

    What does that do for the Yankees? Well two things – one, DeJesus is a younger, better defensive option than Damon and also would slot into the 2 spot allowing the team to push Granderson lower in the lineup. Also he’s on a 1 year deal with a team option. The Yankees could go a couple of different ways next year, they could either pick up the option and focus on bringing in a pitcher to replace Andy next year and put a full court press on Jayson Werth to play RF. Or they could decline the option and go hard after Carl Crawford.

    How do you make up for Swisher if you deal him in that package? As I’ve said, I would be fine with them picking up a Ryan Church type to play RF and bring in a RH bat to keep on the bench (Xavier Nady?).

    Another possible Swisher scenario – deal him to the Nationals for Adam Dunn.

    Dunn and Granderson would strike out a ton but I still contend that a 1,2,3,4,5 of Derek, Granderson, Tex, Alex, and Dunn would be a force to be reckoned with.

  135. DaSaint007 December 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Let me see…I pick up an All-Star player for unproven minor leaguers. Sounds like someone deserves firing. Sure.

  136. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Boston 2010=Yankees 2008?

  137. David December 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Some commentators have praised the Granderson trade as “getting younger.” That seems backwards. The 3 players traded for Granderson are all considerably younger than he is. And, he will replace Melky and Gardner, who are considerably younger than he is.

  138. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Tom in NJ
    December 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Exclusive video prediction of Red Sox bridge year. It’s ‘The Greatest Camera Scoop of all time!’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE

    Brilliant

  139. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Chip, yea its possible that another team could top it but why woull they of its for a one year rental.

    Blake – If I’m the Angels, for example, and I’ve just watched Chone Figgins go to Seattle, and Lackey’s out of the picture I might feel I need to make the move to win my division this year. Maybe they also think that Halladay puts them over the top for a title this year and they are confident that even if he goes to FA they can re-sign him.

  140. Nick in SF December 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    ” I remember some advocating that Lowell would have been the best replacement for ARod when he opted out”

    I think that was Dr. Phillipon.

  141. Abdababdaserser December 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Tom in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    If this is really a “bridge year” for the Red Sox why would they sign a 34 year old shortstop and give up a #1 pick?

    ________

    They have to give something to the fans otherwise the attendance of the games would go down. When teams move into rebuilding and don’t make any moves the fans don’t spend the money.

    This is a competitive bridge period. They have to show some fight.

  142. bru December 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    we don’t knowif trading ajax & ik was a good move

    time will tell not anybody here

    i don’t think it is a terrible move but i might have tried to get a good young more cost controlled pitcher instead but i guess for know i am ok with it

    if ajax becomes a granderson & kennedy turns into a solid # 3,4 or 5 pitcher it is not a good trade

    only time will tell

    i would love to land kf,jj,cain,etc…

  143. Nick in SF December 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Tom: kudos.

  144. Gary Florida Yankee Fan December 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Pettitte deal done! Another Cash goal accomplished! Who’s next? Damon? Sheets? Onward to 28 in 2010.

  145. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Some commentators have praised the Granderson trade as “getting younger.” That seems backwards. The 3 players traded for Granderson are all considerably younger than he is. And, he will replace Melky and Gardner, who are considerably younger than he is.

    That’s just silly. But if I’m going to take it seriously:

    Melky’s not out of the picture, he may be the opening day LF with Damon at DH (if he comes back)

    The Yankees thus trade the roster spot of a 37-year old DH (Matsui) for a 28-year old CF.

  146. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    David
    It is getting younger. Austin Jackson was not ready for the majors and who really knows when he will be ready. And at his peak he most likely would be a Granderson like player.

    I don’t know why you can’t see that it is getting younger since Damon might not come back.

  147. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    bru
    We have a lot of outfield prospects down in the lower level of the farm so I don’t see this trade affecting the yankees that much in a negative way.

    IPK is not that good he is a #5 starter, and Coke can’t get a lefty out if his life depended on it.

    I say the trade was a good one no matter what happens with IPK and Jackson. Though I do miss Jackson.

  148. CD December 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    They have to give something to the fans otherwise the attendance of the games would go down. When teams move into rebuilding and don’t make any moves the fans don’t spend the money.
    =============================

    Nah, Boston always sells out. I know they have a smaller capacity, but it’s also a smaller city, and yet they always sell out (year, after year).

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attenda.....rt/homePct

  149. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Why would the guy get out of his car, and run to safety, but leave his dog in the car?

  150. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    December 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    Boston 2010=Yankees 2008?

    *****************
    I’d sign up for that, as long as Boston 2011 does not equal Yankees 2009 ;)

  151. bru December 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    December 9th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    Why would the guy get out of his car, and run to safety, but leave his dog in the car?

    ————————

    he better not have left his dog

    i will time travel back to the 50′s & smack him

  152. jake December 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    I can’t believe that there are Yankees’ fans out there who don’t like this Granderson deal. You guys must be either 1)nuts, or 2)really not Yankees’ fans.
    Austin Jackson is merely a good prospect. The Torii Hunter comparisons thrown around in 2008 were, and are, ridiculous. He just hasn’t shown that kind of power. AND, he strikes out a LOT. His ceiling is to be as good as Curtis Granderson. With another 5 solid years easily ahead of him, Granderson will contribute at least as much to the yankees over that period of time as A-Jax would have (IF A-Jax were to reach his potential early on in the next five years). If you can get a good player you need for five years for a good prospect, it’s a good deal.
    Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy were completely expendable. Girardi liked Coke because Coke was, on occasion, very very good, and he’s got the proverbial “rubber arm.” But Coke was also, on occasion, very very bad, and he doesn’t show the kind of R/L splits you like to see in a LH reliever. MORE IMPORTANT: Both Mike Dunn and Wilkin DeLaRosa, who will both pitch in AAA this year, have higher ceilings as LH relievers. Zach Kroenke might be able to handle a LOOGY role in the big leagues, too. The Yankees didn’t “need” Coke. If they feel a need to go outside their system for another lefty reliever as good as Coke, there are several floating around out there.
    As for Ian Kennedy, he had NO future with the Yankees. Even if he’d had a good spring training with the club, I think he would have been traded. I think he rubbed a few key people the wrong way last year when, more than once after pitching horribly, he made excuses and/or was in complete denial. He’s got the potential to be another Jeff Suppan.
    I wish him luck.
    Granderson will help make the Yanks better. He’s brings a +glove, power, and +speed on the basepaths–along with a great attitude–to CF. They don’t need for him to bat lead-off. They need for him to play a good CF, bring power and speed to the #6 or #7 hole in the lineup, and be a positive force in the clubhouse. He will do all that, even if he does strike out 130 times and hit only .225 against lefties.

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