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Welcome to Day Three

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Not sure how you could have missed it,  but the Yankees agreed to trade three players for Curtis Granderson on Tuesday. It was a three-team, seven-player blockbuster that solidified the Yankees outfield, but the Winter Meetings continue and there’s little reason to think the Yankees are done.

As Day Three of the Winter Meetings gets started, the Yankees still have to address their pitching situation — which remains their offseason priority — and they could still make a move for at least one hitter. Mark Feinsand talked to an official who said the Yankees aren’t out of the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. Just a guess, but I have to think that as long as the Yankees have Jesus Montero, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain, they can get in on any trade talks. It’s a matter of being willing to pay the prospect price.

I’ve talked to a baseball executive connected to none of the three teams involved in yesterday’s blockbuster, and he thinks all three teams did pretty well. Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy were a lot to give up, but that’s what it was going to take to get a player like Granderson. Personally, I believe Jackson will be an everyday big leaguer. I also remain high on Kennedy and think the Yankees sold low there. BuI still think it’s a great move for the Yankees. They had to give up real talent to pull it off, but that’s the way these things work.

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162 Responses to “Welcome to Day Three”

  1. Tom S December 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Stupid trade. Granderson is just another high strike out guy on a team full of them.
    Should have signed Figgins for 2nd base, and
    traded Cano, Jackson (and Hughes) for Halliday.

  2. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Tom S, thank G*d you are not the GM

  3. blake December 9th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Tom that’s a terrible idea. You get worse at 2b do nothing to address the outfield pay more for figgins than you would for granderson and you lose Hughes.

  4. MK December 9th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    @Brian NYY – AMEN

  5. NYY Steak December 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    I trust Brian “Stealth” Cashman.

  6. Neil December 9th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees have put themselves in the driver’s seat by getting Granderson. The outfield is now set and is younger and more athletic which Cashman wants. Damon either accepts no more than a 2 -year deal at $9 per year or Cashman signs Matsui …….. plain and simple.
    High on the agenda is getting Andy signed and adding another starter unless the name Jesus Montero comes up.

  7. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Brian NYY
    December 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am
    Tom S, thank G*d you are not the GM

    ***********************
    LOL

  8. blake December 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    I’m sure the Yankees are still in it but unless the jays will take a package centered around Joba I don’t see it happening. Now Joba + other prospects might get it done and if so they should do it but there’s no indication that’s the case

  9. Jacob Ruppert December 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    I haven’t been on in a while but I wanted to weigh in on the trade. I am not sure that giving up our center fielder of the future to get Granderson is the best idea but I would have loved the trade if we had been able to get Edwin Jackson too. We really need to shore up our rotation because I don’t feel comfortable starting the season with Phil and Joba as our 4 and 5.

  10. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    We’d give up an all-star caliber 2B, our best OF prospect, and Hughes. OK, great idea…{sarcasm}

    Not to mention, Toronto has a silver slugger 2B, so they wouldn’t need Cano.

    Toronto (as far as I know) needs a major league ready pitcher (Joba), a SS prospect (Pena?), a C prospect (anyone except Montero) and a minor league pitching prospect (McAlister/ Brackman/ anyone else).

    I know that Pittsburgh is trying to trade Ryan Doumit, so maybe some of our prospects can go to Pittsburgh and send Joba, Doumit, 1 more prospect to Toronto (just an idea)

  11. will December 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    What does anyone see in IPK? He is a 25 year old with no MLB experience and very fringe stuff. I actually think the Yankees got off easy, with A-Jax being the only player of value. If Granderson comes anywhere near his 2007 or 2008 numbers, this deal will look ridiculously good, much like the Swisher deal did last year.

  12. Joe from Long Island December 9th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Read one disturbing report about Edwin Jackson yesterday, relating to a fondness for late-night carousing.

    Whenever a player gets traded twice in 12 months, there’s got to be a reason. Jackson faded badly the second half of the season; maybe this is why.

  13. Blackaccord December 9th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    I think Kennedy will never be the pitcher he was touted to be.. He could be a decent no.4 or no.5 in the NL.. He’s one of those AAAA pitchers like Igawa.. Dominate AAA but can’t do anything significant in the majors.. May be he will figure it out and start pitching well.. who knows.. but as for know, the yanks did the right thing..We have minor league talent who probably rank better than Ian kennedy know..

  14. blake December 9th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    Brian, that three way deal with pittsburg might actually make sense. Why don’t you call cashman and tell him to propose that. The pirates like to give players away

  15. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Trust me, if I had Cashman’s number, he’d have to block me from his call list … LOL

  16. miggs -GTLU Reigning Champion December 9th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Will this Halladay nonsense ever die?

    Just trade him so I don’t have to read this garbage anymore.

    Yankee fans are spoiled brats. Forget Halladay unless you want to completely clean out the farm system, which I’m sure some of you do.

  17. ditmars1929 December 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Even though I think Jackson has a high ceiling and I wouldn’t mind hanging on to IPK for pitching depth (could he be a decent long man?), I like this trade for the Yankees.

    And Brian, with all due respect, if I were Cashman I’d block your calls too. :-)

  18. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Here’s how I would rank who won the trade in order:

    1. Det
    2. NYY
    3. Ariz

  19. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Tom S

    I didn’t like the trade, but it wasn’t stupid.

  20. Robbykid December 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Joel Sherman from Post specualting Hughes/Joba and Montero for Holliday the reason for this:

    1. We have depth at C (Romine and Cervilli). Furthermore, Yanks brass are concerned with Jesus’s ability to catch, and they already have plenty of options at DH three years from now (AROD, ect..)
    2. If we trade for Roy, sign Pettite, we can get a 5th starter either in house, or via free agent….Furthermore, the yanks would not sign Roy right away, because if he becomes a FA in 2011, the Yanks would get 2 draft picks…

  21. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Sherman is an idiot.

  22. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Joe from Long Island,

    I heard that about Edwin Jackson directly from somebody in the Tigers organization. Of course, it isn’t unusual given the opportunities all pro athletes have(see: Tiger), but not a great sign if you were to plan on bringing him to a nightlife town like NY, Miami, or LA.

  23. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Miggs,

    If you can trade from depth in the farm system, why not?
    You have a chance to get the best pitcher in baseball.

    Last I heard, the majors were not switching to 7 or 8 man pitching rotation.
    Therefore, all the young arms we have building up in the minors become trading chips.

    Now, I agree that all prospects should not be dealt but when you have a deep system at a couple of positions, you can trade from it.

    Yesterday, the Yankees traded their future CF for their current CF, IPK and Coke were consolation prizes, not the future.

    Today, the Yankees can go to Toronto and try and trade from depth (outside their untouchables – Hughes and Montero), which are Catchers and Pitchers.

    That’s business, you can sell from depth to fortify weaknesses or further build current strength.

  24. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Tom S
    You have no clue. I’m glad your not the GM.

  25. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Detroit got the most potential from the trade, but whether they got the best end of it depends on how those guys develop.

    The Yankees, however, got their best CF since Bernie in his prime without giving up a single player they were counting on for contributions this year. Maybe they were looking for some ML contribution from Coke this year, but he proved himself to be unreliable.

  26. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    ditmars1929,

    No disrespect, Cashman would block everyone’s number. That’s why he makes the big bucks and we post to a blog.

  27. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    I think the Yankees did well in the trade, Detroit did very well and Arizona got fleeced. Detroit fans are angry that Granderson is gone but they got more than they should have for him and Jackson.

    Arizona basically gave up 2 very good pitchers for 2 worse pitchers. I think Scherzer will be better than Edwin Jackson as soon as 2010. Schlereth is a reliever I believe but he’s also a good prospect. Jackson and Kennedy are basically back end starters going forward.

  28. mike eff December 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Speaking of our CF of the future: Keep in mind our #1 draft pick this year, Slade Heathcott

  29. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    I’m starting to think that maybe the yankees should pass on Halladay. Reason being that you should not give up one of the best hitters in the farm system in a long while, and Hughes with his potential for a 33 year old pitcher. And even though Halladay is good, guys like Felix hernandez and Justin Verlander and so on will be free agents so why waste the prospects and sign another aging veteran to a big contract that won’t have long term value.

    I want the team to get younger not get older. And Halladay only has so much left. Better to go in a different direction.

  30. will December 9th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Cervelli is not depth! He is a backup. Period.

  31. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    “Cervelli is not depth! He is a backup. Period.”

    Backups provide depth.

  32. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    I know that if the yankees give up montero and hughes in a trade for halladay they will look stupid in the end. Halladay only has so many good years left.

  33. blake December 9th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Brian, that’s funny.

  34. JohnC December 9th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Agree on Heathcott. He projects to be a better player than AJax. If he can make it in 3-4 years, then thats a wash.

  35. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    What is it with Detroit and partying righthanders? Remember Jeff Weaver? He had (has?) the same problem.

    I love the deal because it improves the Yanks defensively at three positions. Granderson in CF, Melky in RF and Swisher in LF is much better than Melky, Swish and Damon in the same spots.

    Damon or Matsui for DH will be fine on a one year deal with a vesting option. Yanks will have to consider who can hit in the two-hole against LHP unless Long can get Granderson back to where he was against lefites in 2008 (.259, .310, .429).

  36. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    oh and I’m not saying that justin verlander is a free agent next year but down the line.

  37. blake December 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    if the Yankees breakdown and include Montero then I’d bet my house that Hughes wouldn’t also be in the deal.

  38. mrpappageorgio December 9th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    So we’ve basically replaced Damon AND Matsui’s production with Curtis Granderson…? If they don’t resign one of Damon or Matsui, you’ve just lost 100 RBI and 20-25 HR’s.

    Basically, Cashman gave up A-Jax and IPK to replace Damon with Granderson. That makes so sense.

    This deal makes no sense unless they can resign 1 of Damon or Matsui, or replace that production with someone else.

  39. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Should have signed Figgins for 2nd base, and
    traded Cano, Jackson (and Hughes) for Halliday.

    ____

    Except toronto already has a second baseman.

  40. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 9th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    They really should sign Matsui to be the DH for the next year or two and Cameron to be the LF and sometimes CF.

    I don’t buy this nonsense that Melky is as good as Cameron. He’s not. Not by a long shot.

    If you put Melky in LF you are losing a ton of production. Yeah the defense is better than last year but as mrpappageorgio says, if the outfield and DH stay the same we are basically replacing Matsui/Damon with Granderson. That’s simply not enough.

    That’s why I say get Cameron, he’s a good bat and a great fielder. A definite upgrade over Melky. Melk should be a 4th outfielder anyways..

  41. thisguy December 9th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    with soriano on the block…

    would a melky or swisher make sense for the braves?

    swisher has more power, while melky is more of a defensive player for them…not sure if there is a match there, but im guessing the braves really want to move soriano’s salary.

    swisher may make too much money in 2010 though.

    obviously yanks would sign damon if they were planning to move swisher.

    braves are going to trade soriano, and assuming the yanks are going to move hughes/joba to the rotation, it would make sense for the yanks to consider upgrading the bullpen.

    with swisher’s salary going to be around 7 mill, not sure if there is a match.

  42. Doreen December 9th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    I kind of hope the Angels get Halladay. It will get him out of the AL East. The only drawback would be if the Yankees had to face him twice in a playoff series; however, it’s looking like the Mariners may give the Angels a run for their money this season.

  43. CM December 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    @ Tom S, there’s been some wild ideas floated out there in the last couple weeks, that might be the worst I’ve heard in a while..

  44. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    I know that if the yankees give up montero and hughes in a trade for halladay they will look stupid in the end. Halladay only has so many good years left.

    ___

    more likely they will part with joba and montero instead of hughes and montero.

  45. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    mrpappageorgio —

    Let me get this right. Granderson replaces either Matsui or Damon and saves $ 7.5 Million from what they got last year and is seven years younger and improves the defense and still it makes no sense to you? What on earth would?

  46. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Montero should not be traded away for a 33 year old pitcher. Montero’s bat is the real deal, he can be a very elite power hitter.

  47. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    i love the idea that we’d be ‘cleaning out’ the system to get halladay. sounds to me they just want joba/hughes and montero. joba is not a prospect, so really you just give up montero. would suck, but we have many other catchers in the system. hardly cleaning it out.

  48. Tom S December 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    That’s our centerfielder/leadoff hitter of the future? Last yr 249 avg, 9th in strikeouts, never walks.

  49. Coach6423 December 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    The longer you hold onto prospects that might project to be good, the chance that their value decreases immensely increases exponentially. The Yankees made the right move here.

    They are not replacing Damon or Matsui. They are still going to sign one of them. They got a younger, cost controlled All Star, who improves our OF defense dramtaically. Our lineup has enough pop.

    Do you honestly think this is the one move they make this winter?

  50. randyhater December 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    On its face the deal is fine. Granderson’s a solid every day player and “Ajax” is wildly overrated (4 homers and +100 strikeouts?). I like Kennedy but slop throwing righties grow on trees, particularly for a team like ours that can add a mid-sized free agent contract, or accept a salary dump, and not bat an eye.

    But if not having those two to package in a Halladay deal forces us to include Montero, or worse precludes us from doing the deal at all and let’s Boston slip in, this could be a colossal mistake.

    Also, we still need to bring back at least one of Damon/Matsui. Even then, Granderson’s bat is inferior to either of those two. I still think Cash should (and will) grab them both and will make Melky a semi-regular.

  51. Just call me Mr. Clutch December 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    I’m beginning to wish Cameron would either sign with another team today or decide to retire today.

  52. austinmac December 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Criticize Joel Sherman if you like, but someone posted an article he wrote on 11/12, and he was very close in his prediction of the players involved in the Granderson trade. He only missed Coke. He had McAllister as the third player. I wouldn’t be so quick to discount his views. He does hear a bit more than me from the people in the know.

  53. tex's friend December 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    apparently the yankees have real concerns that montero wont hold up as a catcher. i say, who cares, he can learn right field. but, cc/halladay? hard not to smile a bit at that thought.

  54. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    I just don’t understand why some people want to trade Montero for halladay. Halladay is good but after a few years he won’t be that good and the yankees would have lost their best hitting prospect since Mantle and given another big contract that doesn’t help the team get younger.

    I rather have Felix Hernandez than Halladay.

  55. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Why is everybody referring to Granderson’s batting avg? Hasn’t Bill James and all the Sabrmetrics people shown that OBP is a better indicator? True, it was low last year, but I bet Grandy changes his style at the plate with help from Long and just being in that lineup that stresses patience at the plate. If you read Torre’s book, it really talks about how Cashman really got into stats and numbers, so you know he was taking all that into concern when he pulled the trigger on this trade.

  56. RMEL December 9th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    from MLBTR

    ESPN’s Buster Olney says that if the Yanks re-sign Damon, they’re more likely to trade Nick Swisher. He finds it “increasingly unlikely” that they re-sign Matsui, whether or not Damon returns. Olney doesn’t mention it, but we also have to consider the possibility Melky Cabrera is dealt.

    Swisher, 29, hit .249/.371/.498 in 607 plate appearances this year, drawing 97 walks and hitting 29 home runs while playing right field and a little first base. He’s guaranteed $16.75MM over the next two seasons. Do you prefer Swisher or Damon, if you had to choose one?

  57. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    You have to remember that these players are not robots. Production declines when you get older than 35.

    Matsui was great in the post-season but thats because we DH’d him all year and were able to give him a year-long break. Matsui hobbles out there and is definitely on his last legs.

    Damon had 3 mediocre years and 1 good year, on his contract year. I still think he comes back for 1, maybe 2 years.

    Mike Cameron is not going to happen and shouldn’t happen. You all complain that Granderson strikes out too much but Cameron would easily lead the team in strike outs next year if he were to come to NY. And Cameron would cost you another 9-10 million.

  58. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Granderson walked as many times last year as Jeter and Damon did.

  59. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    tex’s friend
    I don’t like cleaning out the farm for a 33 year old pitcher. It’s not smart and that kind of thinking got this organization in trouble during the 80′s and part of the 2000′s.

    It will come back to bite us.

  60. randyhater December 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    “I just don’t understand why some people want to trade Montero for halladay. Halladay is good but after a few years he won’t be that good and the yankees would have lost their best hitting prospect since Mantle and given another big contract that doesn’t help the team get younger.”

    Last “best hitting prospect since Mantle” = Ruben Rivera.

  61. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    For what it’s worth – Johnny Damon thinks Granderson will thrive with Kevin Long as his hitting coach:

    “Once he (Kevin Long) gets a hold of Granderson, his on-base percentage (.327) will improve and his strikeouts will go down,” Damon predicted.

  62. thisguy December 9th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    i think the offense is enough…

    if anything, we could use a right handed bat for the middle of the lineup, or possibly a platoon outfielder that smacks up lefties. rocco baldelli seems like that kind of guy…cameron is another who is pretty good verse lefties, but he’s not ready for any sort of part time role.

    yanks should probably look at baldelli to face lefties and play solid in the outfield…i doubt they sign a big time right handed bat like matt holliday…it would just be overboard on an organization trying to at least cut back the big spending.

    as long as granderson plays very good defense (better than last year you’d hope) i can live with him struggling against lefties.

    but if granderson struggles defensively in center, then he will be moved to left, and then you wonder what was the point of it all…

    i think it is more crucial for granderson to be real good defensively, than be real good verse lefties.

    i think it is a trade the yanks had to make…hopefully now it just works out.

    jeter
    granderson
    tex
    arod
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    DH
    melky

    that line-up is good enough…although it should be fun seeing granderson struggle verse lester.

  63. blake December 9th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    You may not agree with everything Sherman says but one thing is certain, he has more info about the Yankees than any of us except Chad and Sam. He makes valid points, if the Yankees don’t feel montero can stay behind the plate then they have nowhere to play him. You can’t assume that he can play the outfield and 1b is locked up.

  64. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Also, who cares what Buster Olney thinks because the guy is always wrong.

  65. Dave December 9th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    While it would be awesome if Long gets his OBP up, I think it’s dangerous to assume he will be anything but what he already is, a good high power/high strikeout hitter and good defensive outfielder.

  66. Chip December 9th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    More from Damon on Granderson:

    As for Granderson, Damon said he was floored that he was available in a deal. He’s pretty confident Granderson, already a fine player, is going to become even better in The Bronx.

    “I’m still shocked that Detroit would trade him. He’s a pretty good player and that makes New York better for the next couple of years,” Damon said. “[Hitting coach] Kevin Long will get a hold of him and improve his on-base [skills] and cut down on the strikeouts.”

    Damon added, “He’s a good player with some decent pop and good tools. He’ll be around certain players and coaches who will get him to the next level.”

  67. Boston Dave December 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Many people here keep saying “Kevin Long will fix Granderson”. That sounds great but it’s not a safe assumption at all.

    I’m not saying he can’t or won’t, but it’s far from the automatic that some are using to console themselves over this trade.

    If it were that easy, hitting coaches would tell ever player to swing like Ken Griffey Jr.

    Again, Grandy could be huge and I hope he is. I’m just not naive enough to believe that there’s no way he’s regressing as a player or hitter. And if so, Long might not be able to stop it.

    People here said Long would turn Morgan Ensberg back into a star too.

    Just saying….

  68. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    blake

    More info, but not more knowledge. If he thinks they can trade Montero and Joba/Hughes and recoup their losses with two picks (in the 25-45 range because Halladay will only sign with a very good team), he is an idiot.

    As far as the info, Cash isn’t talking to him. It’s just someone in the organization who may or may not possess a majority opinion.

    Montero is a generational talent. If you want to trade him, you do it in a deal for a guy in his 20s, not a 33 year old pitcher.

  69. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    “ESPN’s Buster Olney says that if the Yanks re-sign Damon, they’re more likely to trade Nick Swisher. He finds it “increasingly unlikely” that they re-sign Matsui, whether or not Damon returns. Olney doesn’t mention it, but we also have to consider the possibility Melky Cabrera is dealt.”

    Ask Buster, who plays RF and don’t tell me Melky Cabrera because just because he has a good throwing arm, his offensive production doesn’t translate to that power position.

  70. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    I don’t get the Cameron talk. He’s a nice player, but he’s 37 next month and strikes out at one of the highest rates in all baseball.

    I’m expecting Damon to sign as a primary DH, occasional LF.

    Then they need to add a versatile DeRosa type that can do a lot of things. Don’t know if DeRosa is willing to be a utility guy at age 35, but there has to be someone out there.

    I don’t want to part with Joba, Phil or Montero. If Halladay can be had for McAllister, Romine, Nunes and Melancon or some other arm I would do that. If not, sign a reclamation project or two and give it a shot.

  71. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    blake,

    That may be true, but if he really is that good of a hitter, they will do everything possible to find a place for him. I am not comparing him to Pujols by any means, but he was shuffled all over the field until he finally settled at first, because his bat was so great that they were finding ways to get the best lineup on the field.

  72. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    He finds it “increasingly unlikely” that they re-sign Matsui, whether or not Damon returns.

    **************************
    :(

    Oh well, I’m still holding out hope that they re-sign Sui. A girl can dream, right?

  73. randy l. December 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    joe from long island-

    there’s a line that players can’t cross without it affecting their long time play, and it’s different for every player. some guys can burn the candle at both ends and still play well and but most can’t.

    you may very well be right about why the yankees didn’t try to get jackson.

    as far as the granderson trade, i like it.

    he’s got a few negatives with the weak lefty hitting, high strike outs, low on base percentage, and weak throwing arm but, … hmmm, maybe i should reconsider :)

    i like his home runs, triples, speed, ability to catch the ball, ability to hit righties, his ops away from comerica, his classiness as a person, and his star presence.

    i think he’ll be even better as a yankee.

  74. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    randyhater
    Montero is the real deal and can hit. And if you don’t think so then you’re wrong.

    I don’t see trading for a 33 year old pitcher as the best investment especially when the yankees could still win without him. You at least trade for someone young.

  75. Tom S December 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Figgins was 1st in walks. 3rd in sb. low strikes out. 300 avg. perfect leadoff hitter.
    if u could sign Figgins for 2nd base and use Cano to get Halliday it would be a better team.

  76. Tony December 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    where does this leave Randy Winn ?

  77. thisguy December 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    if the yanks sign damon…

    would you trade swisher for rafael soriano?

    i would think the line-up would be too lefty driven and that we might actually need swisher to balance out the lineup…but i doubt the braves would want anyone else.

  78. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Looking at just the stats, it appears Granderson tried, and succeeded, to hit for more power; and the BA dropped as a result. That seems pretty obvious.

    Coming to YS, he can go one of two ways. He can concentrate simply on taking good swings, knowing that if he makes even decent contact, it can be a HR. This is the best case, of course, and we would see a jump in most of his numbers this way.

    Or, he can do what a lot of lefties have done, and try to pull everything to inflate his HR numbers. If he does this, he may hit 40-45 HRs, but with a declining BA and other numbers. Hopefully he can keep from the temptation to pull everything.

  79. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Many of you will regret trading Montero if he is traded. The guy would be killing yankee pitching and putting up some good numbers. 30-40 homeruns a year.

    It would be one of the most idiotic trades ever. Halladay will only be good for a few years and that’s it.

  80. disco stu December 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    I think the Halladay sweepstakes will end up playing out similarly to what happened with Santana.

    Teams are going to be reluctant to trade high end talent (either prospects or current major leaguers) AND sign him to an extention.

    So my guess is that teams that would have otherwised looked to get him if he were a free agent, will stop waiting for the price to drop and make moves to bring in other pitchers because they cant wait too long to secure their rotations for next year.

    This could end up playing right into the Yankees hands … if Halladay insists on getting traded and teams that could have been a potential landing spot have already made moves for pitching are no trade partners, then the Blue Jays may be forced to deal him to a team like the Yankees for a package that is far less then what they feel they can currently get for him.

    That is exactly what happened with Johan Santana … that Met “trade” was nothing more than a glorified free agent signing when you consider the package the Twins ended up getting in return for him.

    Maybe history repeats itself and the Yankees get Halladay without losing a Montero or Hughes/Joba.

  81. Number23 December 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Someone alluded to this earlier but where does Granderson hit in the lineup? I know it depend on whether or not the Yanks sign Damon or another outfielder, but I guess the question is: do you move Jeter out of the lead off spot after he had one of his best years (which may or may not have been connected with his switch in the batting order)? And before anyone calls me an idiot for suggesting they move Jeter (or don’t move Jeter), I’m just asking.

  82. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Tom S
    Figgins is overrated and a waste of money. And he doesn’t even play that position.

  83. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    “Figgins was 1st in walks. 3rd in sb. low strikes out. 300 avg. perfect leadoff hitter.
    if u could sign Figgins for 2nd base and use Cano to get Halliday it would be a better team.”

    Figgins is on the Mariners, so it is a moot point. He is also a very average defender at all positions, and has played less than 100 ML games at second in his career. He may still be a pesky offensive player for the next year or two, after that he is likely to be a worthless contract.

  84. raymagnetic December 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    “You can’t assume that he can play the outfield and 1b is locked up.”

    You can’t assume he can not play the outfield either. You also can’t assume that he won’t be a catcher. You can’t assume anything and yet people assume things all the time.

    For example:

    “Granderson will be better against lefties because Kevin Long yadda yadda yadda”

    “Montero is too big to a catcher (Joe Mauer anyone?)”

    “Kennedy is nothing”

    The list goes on and on and on and on about what people assume. You know what happens when you assume though……

  85. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Cano would never fetch Halladay because Toronto already has a 3B and a 2B, Cano’s only positions. Also the yankees would never trade Cano for 1 year of Halladay, Cano is cost controlled and an all-star a premium position.

    The Yankees do not have ‘concerns’ about Montero’s position. They are high on him sticking at catcher according to Newman and Nardi, and he has the kind of offensive talent that you FIND A POSITION FOR.

    You don’t go ‘welp, guess we’ll trade this miguel cabrera’ because you don’t know where you put him!

  86. thisguy December 9th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    how funny is it that people say that’s it when referring to a few good cy young years…

    im not saying i want to trade joba and montero in a package for halladay..it wouldnt be good for the game of baseball…

    …but under obvious circumstances, it is probably one of those trades you have to do.

    you could win 2-4 titles in 3-5 years with cc, halladay, aj, hughes and that lineup.

    it isnt happening anyway.

  87. Paul from Cali December 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    I don’t get this Granderson trade either. The Yanks gave up way too much for a guy who strikes out 150 times a year.

  88. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    I don’t think Long needs to “fix” Granderson, but you know he will probably throw in some tweaks to helphim with left handed pitching.

    But why is everyone so concerned with lefty pitching?! Haven’t we already come to the conclusion that the majority of pitching is right handed? I’d be more worried if he couldn’t hit righties.

    And I’d rather have my corner guys have a cannon of an arm in CF. Bernie had a wet noodle too, but he could get to balls. That’s what you want in a CF, especially in NYS. Granderson will get to a ton of balls out there in death valley. I don’t care if his arm is average. I want him getting every ball hit to him.

  89. vito b December 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    If I had to pick between swisher or Damon, the choice is easily Damon. But I don’t see why the Yankees would need to trade Swisher if they got Damon back, wouldn’t they want to deal melky or gardner?

  90. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    I would say, as it stands now, try Granderson 2nd. If they are worried about his Ks there, then hit Cano second, and Grandy 6th or 7th.

    I would not bat him leadoff, I really liked the result of Jeter batting there. They are changing enough things with this team, no reason to upset more than they have to.

  91. Boston Dave December 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Jeremy,

    I tend to agree with you on Montero…

    but your “if you don’t agree with me then you’re wrong” just isn’t true.

    There have been bigger prospects than Montero who didn’t pan out.

  92. Jim from Dalton December 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    You are high on IPK and AJax…and think the Yankees ‘sold low’

    But you still like the deal…talk about CYA…you want it both ways..

    …how about some real opinions?

  93. murphydog December 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “Do you prefer Swisher or Damon, if you had to choose one?”

    Damon circles pop ups like he’s in a silent movie, trying to catch a baby falling from a burning building. He has no arm to hold runners from taking the extra base. And IMO, the reliability of Johnny’s legs is an issue. Cramps in the hot weather and strains in the cold, how far is he from a major leg muscle injury? I’m not falling all over Boras to sign Johnny if he gets too pricey.

    Do I actually prefer Swisher? Cheaper, younger, about as athletic in the field, not nearly as athletic at the plate. Good clubhouse guy, as is Damon.

    It does suggest that the answer isn’t to choose either but to do something else if Cash can.

    Ultimately, I’d keep Swisher if Damon is too expensive and I’d keep looking for another bat… like Matsui. Cash has enough pieces to run around the outfield when you count Grandy, Swish, Melky and Gardner, plus Hairston if they re-sign him (they seemed to like him, he’s relatively cheap). Gardner is where he belongs, as a 4th OF, pinch runner.

  94. mrpappageorgio December 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    86w183 –

    Let me break it down for you:

    Damon and Matsuis combined stats 09: 52HR, 172RBI

    Granderson’s 2009 Stats: 30HR, 71RBI

    Simply saying “hey we got Granderson, that means we can move Melky to left field and we don’t need Damon or Matsui and we got younger…Yippeee” doesn’t make any sense when you figure you’re losing 22HR and 101RBI’s.

    If the Yankees don’t sign Damon OR Matsui OR someone comparable, this deal doesn’t make sense. Melky ain’t gonna cut it.

  95. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    There have been bigger prospects than Montero who didn’t pan out.

    All of Montero’s comps for age/level/production made the majors and were starters

  96. Jim December 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Yanks closing in on deal with Pettitte for $12M via John Heyman

  97. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Number23, totally guessing, but I think they really liked having Jeter leadoff, so I’m thinking Granderson will bat second. But if they do resign Damon, I have no idea what they’ll do. LOL

  98. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Toronto has no use for Cano, stop making such inane proposals.

    The only guy I’d deal Cano for would be Andre Eithier. I’d do Cano/Cabrera or Cano/Swisher for Ethier and DeWitt.

  99. Al December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Melky kills us. Look how bad he was for us all year.

  100. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Jim
    December 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am
    Yanks closing in on deal with Pettitte for $12M via John Heyman

    ***********************
    :D :D :D

    Jim, you just made my morning!!

  101. crawdaddy December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Heyman is tweeting that Pettitte’s deal will be finalized today for 12M.

  102. Wave Your Hat December 9th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “I don’t get the Cameron talk.”

    The Cameron talk is easy to understand.

    He’s an excellent center fielder, he’s a productive hitter, he beats up on LHP, he’s consistent and he’s available.

    If you can sign him to a short term deal, his age doesn’t matter. His strikeouts only matter to people who don’t really understand how to evaluate offensive production, and I think the Yanks front office personnel don’t belong to that group.

    He matches well with Granderson, because Granderson is going to sit some against LHP. Cameron fits that role better than Damon, because Cameron hits LHP better and is a much better fielder at this point.

  103. Tom in N.J. December 9th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “There have been bigger prospects than Montero who didn’t pan out.”

    Alex Gordon and Delmon Young say Hello!

  104. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Why is it that people think that the Yankees need a right handed power bat in the starting line-up? Right now, they have 2 right handed hitters.

    Of course, they also have two left handed batters and 4 switch hitters. Unless they get another switch hitter, they’ll still be unbalanced one way or the other. They play in a park made for left handed hitters and there’s more right handed pitchers than left handed pitchers. In other words, it doesn’t make a bit of difference which side the 9th hitter bats from, as long as it’s the best available fit for the team at that position.

  105. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    mrpappageorgio—

    So you’re assuming there will be no DH in 2010?

    Granderson fills one job, someone will fill the other. Assuming there won’t be and using that as a reason to criticize this trade is preposterous

  106. Jim December 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    I’m glad Erin =)

    I was very happy to read that too

  107. blake December 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Just to play devils advocate, I think some of you are assumming a lot with Montero. I like him a lot and would love to keep him but the guy hasn’t seen a pitch yet above AA. He’s projects to be a great hitter but to label a guy who has yet to see a big league slider yet a generational talent is a bit premature IMO

  108. Erin December 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    GB, all went well yesterday I hope? :)

  109. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Alex Gordon and Delmon Young say Hello!

    Alex Gordon was in AA at age 22, so he had 3 years on Montero. He also has one year of a 109 OPS+

    Delmon Young is a decent comp and hit .317,.288,.290,.284 the last 4 seasons. He just has no plate discipline. Relative to his expectations you might call him a bust, but he is a solid average-below average major leaguer. And he is 23.

  110. Bill from NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    12 mill is too much for a 37 yr old pitcher. They are overpaying, especially in this market.

  111. raymagnetic December 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    No way would I trade Cano for Andre Ethier, but hey, to each his own.

  112. Patrick from CT December 9th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    I think that Sui is much more likely to take a 1 year deal than Damon but I’m not sure the Yankees want Sui back because he can’t play in the field at all.
    I hope the Yankees will still bring back Damon for DH/LF. If not Damon, maybe Nady for DH/LF. Nady would be good on a 1 year deal to be a RH power bat off the bench as he prooves to be healthy.
    As to the earlier question, no way do I trade Swish so I can bring back Damon. Swish is just as productive as Damon and can play RF, LF, and 1st. Damon is a part time LF and DH.
    I don’t think the Yankees will go more than 1 year 10mil or 2 years 16mil for Damon. He may get 3 years 24mil somewhere though.
    The Yankees do need one more bat.

  113. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    86w183
    December 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am
    Toronto has no use for Cano, stop making such inane proposals.

    The only guy I’d deal Cano for would be Andre Eithier. I’d do Cano/Cabrera or Cano/Swisher for Ethier and DeWitt.

    ————————————————————

    Why would you trade 2 bats for one bat with equal production as Cano and a utility infielder that can’t even win a position against the likes of Hudson and a host of other utility infielders? Makes zero sense.

  114. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Boston Dave
    Yeah I’m not trying to be mean or dictate my opinions. Sorry it came out that way. But you can’t trade away a guy with that caliber for a 33 year old pitcher. I know you agree. The yankees don’t even need Halladay this year to win it all. I say wait till free agency next year. Unless the price for halladay goes way down.

  115. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    You have to overpay for Pettitte — that’s just the cost of doing business with a guy that won you the World Series. Just like we’re going to overpay for Jeter.

  116. guatavo December 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Not a fan of this move.

    How can you sell low and still call it a good move?

    “I also remain high on Kennedy and think the Yankees sold low there. BuI still think it’s a great move for the Yankees.”

  117. blake December 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    If what Heyman is saying is true then I don’t get giving Pettite 12M unless they just wantd to reward him for helping them win last year. They were bidding against themselves and could have had him for less. Just nit picking but for a team saying they want to cut payroll 2 or 3 million makes a difference.

    That said I’m glad Andy is coming back!

  118. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Just to play devils advocate, I think some of you are assumming a lot with Montero. I like him a lot and would love to keep him but the guy hasn’t seen a pitch yet above AA. He’s projects to be a great hitter but to label a guy who has yet to see a big league slider yet a generational talent is a bit premature IMO

    There are not many players that:

    Begin with a .280/.366/.421 line at age 17 in their pro debut, while playing one of the most demanding positions on the field.

    That then improve at age 18 to hit .326/.376/.491 with 17 home runs at a more advanced level.

    That then improve AGAIN to .337/.389/.562 at an even more advanced level (2 advanced levels combined in fact).

    All while 19 in a league designed for 22 year olds.

  119. AeroFANatic December 9th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    My guess is Granderson starts in the 2 hole if Damon is not back. If Damon is back, gotta think he stays at 2 and Granderson bats in the 5 hole or 6 behind Posada/Cano.

  120. blake December 9th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Jerkface, that’s all true but it doesn’t change any of the things I said.

  121. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Erin
    December 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am
    GB, all went well yesterday I hope?

    ————————————————————

    Yes, so far, Erin, thank you for your thoughts. I have another couple of days here and then, I’ll get the word on whether I can chase all of nurses again or if I have to cut back to 3 or 4 a day.

  122. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    blake
    Facts are facts. When we look at the stats that backs up our claims. But if you took the time to watch Montero play then you know that he is the real deal and will be a good major league talent.

    Would you have said the same thing about jeter when he was in the minors that he might not be that good based on minor league stats. I trust the yankees scouts.

  123. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Say we resign Damon –

    What about batting him 5th behind A-Rod?

    Pros and cons?

  124. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    How’s it going GB? Hope all goes well

  125. Rich in NJ December 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “What about batting him 5th behind A-Rod?”

    Con.

  126. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    NYY’s decision is based on which one of Damon and Matsui are the best fit. They have to chose between the most useful player or the best bat. That’s a tough job.

  127. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Jesus Montero does not strike out as much as Delmon Young or Alex Gordon also. He has ridiculous bat control and contact ability. Just another tool that helps solidify him as the best prospect in the yankees and maybe in baseball :)

  128. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Blake
    Do you want us to produce any talent ? Or do you want us to just be an All star team with a 300 million dollar payroll full of talent with no orginial yankees.

    Cashman said he want to run this organization like the Twins but with more money. A organization that produces talent and buys talent.

  129. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    You don’t think he would give some protection for A-Rod? Now with that short porch, he’s got some power, plus will keep everything moving to get it to the bottom of the lineup.

    Obviously this is just for conversation, haha I don’t think Damon is what the Yanks are thinking for their 5 guy.

  130. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I like Halladay but I don’t like the price right now.

  131. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    86w183
    December 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
    How’s it going GB? Hope all goes well

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, 86. Things are getting back to normal. I’m just cranky when they steal my stash of pizza and beer.

  132. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    I suggested moving Damon to 5th and Swisher to 2nd in the lineup last season. Damon is actually a decent 5 hole hitter as long as he retains his power.

    Without that though he just isn’t enough. They should really bring Matsui back or bring in a guy like Nick Johnson.

  133. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Andre Eithier solves RF for a decade and might hit 400 HR in that decade. That’s why I would trade Cano for him. As I wrote, he’s the only guy I’d make that deal for. Adding an OF for a 2B just makes it fit. 2B are easy to find. RF with 40+ HR power in their prime are not.

  134. Patrick from CT December 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Another thing to consider with resigning Damon at this point. Either Melky or Gardy will not be on the team. Melky and his 2-2.5mil may be the odd guy out if Damon comes back.
    I’m starting to think that Nady on a 1 year 3-4mil plus insentives, maybe a vesting option, is the weay to go.

  135. charlestonchew December 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    We need to pass on Halladay. The price is too high and we don’t need an ace. So many of you remark that he is the “best pitcher in baseball.” I’ve said the same myself.

    But he’s not. There are a handful of guys better than him. That includes Tim Lincecum, Greinke, King Felix, and arguably a few more.

    Halladay is growing older and won’t post the same numbers as he reaches his late 30s. I fully expect him to remain a top-of-the-rotation guy until he retires, but Halladay is not worth two of Joba, Hughes, and Montero. Joba and Hughes have, at the very least, proven themselves to be solid ML pitchers, in the bullpen and rotation. Montero is heralded as the best hitting prospect in all of the minors.

    Pretending to trade for Halladay is far more important than actually trading for Halladay. We don’t need to raise our payroll and rid ourselves of some pitching depth at the same time. We can sign Pettitte and a guy like Marquis and let Joba/Hughes fall into their roles.

    It’s not like our offense has gotten much worse. Without Halladay, this team is still the best overall team in baseball. We just need to tie up loose ends and watch the show.

  136. blake December 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Jeremy, I said I was playing devils advocate. I like Montero and think he’s very talented but for people to be so certain that he’s the next mantle is premature. Minor league numbers don’t 100% of the time translate to the big leauges and if he can’t catch then his value is less I don’t care what anyone says. Mauer is much more valuable because he catches than he would be of he was a corner outfielder. I’m not saying to trade him or anything like that I just am being realistic about him.

  137. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    We need a guy behind A-Rod that pitchers aren’t going to want to face. The more fastball’s A-Rod see’s the better (ie – Tex after Alex came back). At this point I’m not sure Matsui would do that. The 5 hole is actually a big part in the lineup if not maiinly for the protection for A-Rod.

    Wait –

    Posada should be the guy in the 5 hole.

  138. 86w183 December 9th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Nick Johnson would be an affordable DH option if Matsui and Damon both move on. Would hlep if he could play in the OF, but I don’t think so.

    Granderson is an excellent # 2 for RHP, but against LHP they might decide to so with Swisher.

    Or might they consider a lineup of:

    CF Granderson
    SS Jeter
    DH Damon
    3B Alex
    1B Tex
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    LF Swisher
    RF Cabrera

  139. mick December 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    86

    I have a feeling Cano will eventually be traded. He is a sulker. If he doesn’t get off to a good start and repeats 08 the trade talks will surface again.

    While it would be a blockbuster for Ethier, always better to trade when value is up.

    Hudson at 2nd could be a good fit.

  140. TR December 9th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    I agree that Granderson is a good addition. Great speed, great defense, good hitting (but not great), and good clubhouse guy. BUT, I still think we gave up too much for him – or could have gotten a bit better for the same package. For that matter, I think if you threw a 4th player in on the package – like maybe another young arm or another prospect (not Montero), that might have been enough to pry Crawford away from the Rays. And, Crawford is better than Granderson (albeit more expensive). I like Granderson, just think we could have done better with that package.

  141. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    How is trading Kennedy; who some consider unsuited to be anything better than a #4 starter in the AL; for an All-Star CF, selling low?

  142. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Ethier may hit 400 homers in his career, but, not in the next decade. He’ll be 28 in April. There are more corner outfielders with Ethier’s bat than there are 2nd basemen with Cano’s.

  143. champ809 December 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    This notion that the Yanks are internally sooooooo worried about Montero sticking at catcher that they are ready to give up on him is fantasy.

    The Yanks knew and know that Montero would never be Bench defensively.

    They also know that Montero is as they say a generational hitter. His 1st 200 homers in pinstripes are gonna cost us less than what Halladay will cost us to pitch here for 1yr.

    He will not be in anybody’s deal.

    Romine may not see the BX nor SWB for that matter. Montero is on a bullet train that will probably make it’s last stop at Monument Park!

  144. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    TR – How could you speculate like that?

    If a better deal could have been had, don’t you think Cashman would have gone for it? You gotta believe he is working the phones.

  145. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    blake
    Oh yeah sorry. Yeah you were just giving the alternative side of the argument.

    I like Halladay especially for a lower price, but I think that guys like Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, and the rest are better long term investments.

    I say sign Sheets/Harden for the staff this year.

  146. charlestonchew December 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    I’m not sold on the idea of signing Damon, though I’d love to have him back.

    If Matsui costs 1 year, 12 million, I’m for Matsui.

    Melky can play left. We get LF type production out of CF, so we can afford having a CF in LF.

    Damon is a great player. He’s better than Matsui. There’s no doubt about that. But why do more than we have to? Matsui would fix the DH issue and Granderson would have a place to bat in the order.

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera LF

    That is an awesome lineup. And I think that’s where Cash is leaning, should the market for Matsui be lackluster. If you add in Damon, you waste Melky’s value and your DH slot is a rotating mess. Consistency has been known to produce consistent numbers. There’s not much more of a sure thing DH production-wise than Matsui.

  147. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Yanks aren’t trading Montero.

  148. Mark in Tampa December 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    At age 19 in AA and AAA, Delmon Young hit 26 HRs, 99 RBIs, and stole 32 bases in 136 games. He was reportedly the #1 prospect in all of baseball at the time. He may be a decent ML player right now, but he has in no way come anywhere near what he was supposed to be.

    Not in terms of power, speed on the bases, or overall production. His BA is good, but his plate discipline is as bad as anybody in baseball.

    His most solid contact in the last 4 years was the bat to the umpire’s chest.

  149. TR December 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Preisendanz, correct….I’m just speculating. But I still think Granderson’s strikeouts and inability to hit lefties may (“may” – still speculative there) come back to haunt us. Wonder how the fans respond the first time an opposing team brings in a lefty specialist (not even a closer or set-up man) to strike Granderson out in the bottom of the 8th with bases loaded and 2 outs in a close game to kill a Yankee rally?

  150. GreenBeret7 December 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    It appears that the Yankees are going to try to deal tomorrow’s Rule 5 pick to the highest bidder.

  151. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    The only people who want the Yanks to trade Montero are other teams, beat reporters, and MORONS.

  152. champ809 December 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Well said Phil…well said…

  153. Brian NYY December 9th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    agreed, Montero isn’t going anywhere

  154. blake December 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Well said mark, well said. Montero is a great prospect, let’s let him become a great big leauger before we put him on a plaque in monument park.

    Again I’m not saying to trade him, especially for a one year rental of Halladay. I just think its funny how a couple of good years in the minors translates to hall of famer for some fans.

  155. Jerkface December 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    At age 19 in AA and AAA, Delmon Young hit 26 HRs, 99 RBIs, and stole 32 bases in 136 games. He was reportedly the #1 prospect in all of baseball at the time. He may be a decent ML player right now, but he has in no way come anywhere near what he was supposed to be.

    Delmon Young never had the plate discipline Montero has shown nor his contact ability. .34 BB:K to .5

    Young’s BB%: 9% -> 4% – >4% not a good trend
    Montero BB%: 9% -> 6.5% -> 7.4%

    Don’t make me percentilze their K rate.

  156. Preisendanz December 9th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    TR-

    I can almost guarentee fans will YELL and SCREAM that Cashman made a terrible move. Haha, I would bet the farm on that one.

    But I would rather have Granderson — a guy who has the potential to hit 30+ HR’s in NYS, has speed, and can cover a lot of ground in Death Valley, rather than Melky Cabrera. Plus he’s “cheap” and unless A-Jax turns into a superstar, we come out ahead.

  157. randy l. December 9th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    “Cashman said he want to run this organization like the Twins but with more money. ”

    jeremy-

    where’d you see that. have a link by any chance?

    it’d be interesting to hear more.

  158. Jeremy December 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Grady Sizemore is the same type of player like Granderson so I didn’t understand why some people said we should have gone after him. They have very similar numbers.

    And in terms of Granderson’s strikeouts a lot of good players strikeout a lot. The granderson trade was a good one.

  159. murphydog December 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    GB7:

    “I have another couple of days here and then, I’ll get the word on whether I can chase all of nurses again or if I have to cut back to 3 or 4 a day.”

    If you need somebody to platoon with you on your off days chasing the nurses, let me know….

  160. randy l. December 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “I have another couple of days here and then, I’ll get the word on whether I can chase all of nurses again or if I have to cut back to 3 or 4 a day.”

    gb7-

    weird that you can’t hit a golfball; you seem to have more than a little of Tiger in you .

  161. Phil December 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    The Granderson trade was a great one, and it’s important not to follow it with a bad one.

  162. mrpappageorgio December 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    86w183 –

    I said this trade won’t make sense IF they don’t replace either Damon or Matsui. IF.

    My comments were directed at people that think Granderson is the sole answer and Melky moves to LF and the DH spot is open to give guys days off…I assumed you were one of those people.

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