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A few more nuggets to chew on

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Those of you in the New York area know how windy it’s been today so hopefully Chad’s flight back to The Concrete Jungle Where Dreams Are Made Of (trademark: Jay-Z) isn’t too delayed. Now that the winter meetings are over, I’d expect things to quiet slightly but there are still some moves to be made. Here are a few things to keep an eye on:

• By getting Jamie Hoffmann in the Rule V draft, the Yankees will likely have a spring training competition for the final spot on the roster between Hoffmann and Brett Gardner — unless Gardner gets traded before then. Word is the Royals checked in on Gardner after the Granderson deal, and certainly The Grittiest One would be a cheap outfield option for a low-budget team.

Is that likely? Who knows. But it’s possible. And I wouldn’t rule out Melky Cabrera being shopped either (at one point the Cubs were said to be intrigued).

• Like everything else in this world right now, the free agent market isn’t nearly as lucrative this year as it has been in the past. With Granderson now in hand, the Yankees will use that obvious depression to put the screws to Johnny Damon, whose agent – Scott Boras – has claimed there’s money out there to be had.

Giving Damon a deadline – and knowing that New York is his first choice – could push this process along quicker. The Yankees don’t want to wait for Boras to shop and shop and then ultimately come back to them.

• Speaking of money drops, remember when Aroldis Chapman was going to get Dice-K money? Not so much. Now it seems like he’ll struggle to get $20 million, though the Cuban defector will have a workout for teams next week in Houston. The Yankees will attend, but one person I spoke to said the team is very leery; they don’t see Chapman as helping anytime soon and don’t want to get stuck with the bill if he doesn’t pan out.

• Reclamation project update: Rich Harden went to the Rangers for one-year, $7.5 million guaranteed. Instant reaction: Way too much. Ben Sheets is still out there and his agent has met with the Cubs and the Rangers (who were obviously checking out the reclamation project scrap heap).

The Yankees have talked about Sheets, as have the Mets. I still like Justin Duchscherer as a low-risk option. The Red Sox inquired about the 32-year-old, who is not only making his medicals available to teams but also his therapist (should teams want to ask about how he has handled his bout with depression).

• If Damon or Matsui doesn’t work out, don’t be surprised if the Yankees look closely at Mark DeRosa. I’ve always liked guys who can play – literally – anywhere and DeRosa is well-respected by players around the league and is a local guy (grew up in New Jersey). Like Mike Cameron, he’s a player who has been linked to the Yankees a few times in the past.

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276 Responses to “A few more nuggets to chew on”

  1. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    mmmm, pancakes.

  2. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEgxQ9iWmp8

    vintage commercial

  3. Nick in SF December 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    I read this post twice and still couldn’t find any Chien-ming Wang update. :mad:

  4. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

    classic

  5. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    The Yankees will really regret overpaying for Mark DeRosa if they sign him.

    I will say it again Carlos Delgado. Do not forget him.

    In terms of low risk options for pitching:

    JDuch: would def sign up for that
    Kelvim Escobar: would be very intriguing as well
    (also both can be moved to the bullpen if it does not work out as starters. Or could start in bullpen and get stretched out when Hughes hits his innings limit)

    Ben Sheets: too expensive and therefore one of the kids is forced out of the rotation.

  6. vin December 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Good job, Sam “Pancakes” Borden.

    How’s that for a nickname? Like Gene “Stick” Michaels.

  7. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  8. vin December 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    “JDuch: would def sign up for that
    Kelvim Escobar: would be very intriguing as well
    (also both can be moved to the bullpen if it does not work out as starters. Or could start in bullpen and get stretched out when Hughes hits his innings limit)”

    Agreed. The nice thing about them is that if one of them is signed, there can be a legitimate 3-way competition for the final 2 starting spots between Joba, Hughes and the new guy…. with the “loser” going to the pen.

    Sheets will be too expensive, unfortunately. Keeping Joba and Hughes makes a ton of sense, but a little competition is a very good thing for all parties involved.

  9. yojimbo December 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Seems to me an offer of $10 mill a year for one or two years is awful generous for Damon. I can see money being spent more wisely at this point as Yanks are pretty well covered in outfield. Would rather see bid to lock up Sheets or Duscherer or Chapman, along with cheaper option at DH. Jim Thome has slipped but he still may just be the greatest non-steroidal HR hitter of our times and likely to benefit from our lineup and ballpark. Wouldn’t mind Dye. And at this point Hideki for $7 mill seems pretty good. If I were Johnny, I wouldn’t take too long with this.

  10. pat December 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Would the Yankees regret getting DeRosa if they didn’t overpay him?

    I haven’t heard any mention of money regarding DeRosa. How much is he looking for?

  11. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Long will change Granderson’s hitting approach vs. lefthanders…..In The Stadium he’s going to get a steady diet of outside pitches, as nobody will want to make a mistake inside to him…..Curtis will learn plate disipline and will become good at driving the ball to left…..He’s just going to explode with The Yankees, his best is yet to come…….

  12. Jeremy December 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    The yankees should look at Kelvim Escobar. He was a very good starter and bullpen guy.

  13. EA December 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    DeRosa has a low OBP.

    Pass.

    And Escobar or Duch are attractive because we can throw him in the pen if Hughes and Joba have strong camps and we want them both in the rotation. However, they might want to go somewhere to be starters and may have that put in their contract.

  14. UpState December 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench)
    December 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..g&NR=1

    classic
    =======================

    Thank you also, UE !!!

  15. Abdababdaserser December 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth. Those commercials are great. I remember them.

    I think some of the old commercials are better than the ones you see today.

  16. Eric December 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I bet DeRosa would take a discount to come here. Not much, but he’ll prob. leave a couple mil on the table.

    He can hit 25 HRs and can play anywhere. One of the best clubhouse reputations as well, like Cameron. If we leave the DH open to ‘spell’ guys, we won’t lose much considering DeRosa has pop.

  17. Bill Porter December 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    If Matsui or Damon doesn’t work out I like DeRosa too. But I also like Nick Johnson. If the question is “who could fill the 2 hole hole in the order rather than who can DH and fill in anywhere on the field” I might be tempted to bring Nick the Stick back home.

  18. Doreen December 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Pat M -

    I’m counting on your expertise here! I’m very excited about Curtis being a Yankee.

  19. Drive 4-5 December 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon DH
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera LF
    Cano 2B

    I could live with Sam’s lineup easily. My only other comment right now is “Let’s Go Mets”! Keep driving that price up for the Bosox with Jason Bay.

  20. Abdababdaserser December 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    Who would be the DH during the many games that you don’t have to give the regular starters a rest?

    They don’t need, nor would they want to get a day “off” a week.

  21. Uncle Ellsworth (content to be on the Group W bench) December 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    does anyone know who some of the less recognizable guys are?

  22. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    trade Melky to the Cubs

  23. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    “Now it seems like he’ll struggle to get $20 million,”

    Me too. Join the club, Aroldis!

  24. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    pat
    December 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    Would the Yankees regret getting DeRosa if they didn’t overpay him?
    I haven’t heard any mention of money regarding DeRosa. How much is he looking for?

    ————————-

    Anyone who signs DeRosa will be overpaying him. He is one of the most overrated players in baseball. He is nothing more than mediocre with the bat and while he plays a ton of positions, he does not play any of them well. I would not pay him more than 3-4 million a year

  25. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Sam, Chad, or Josh:

    can you find out when the NYY Curtis Granderson press conference will be ?

  26. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Doreen, you have reason to excited…..Just remember last winter when I was pushing Mark Texeria, and how that worjed out ….

  27. dan l December 10th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Melky’s TOAST! I can’t wait to see you rot in the NL where you belong!

  28. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    I really don’t want DeRosa.

  29. 7789 December 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Derosa is a much better option than Cameron. And we all know how much Girardi loves “versatility” he will fall in love with Derosa.

    Gardner hit 270 with a 345 obp with 26 steals. That is a good production from a bench player. Dont know why they would want to trade him. Hoffmann is being compared to Shelly Duncan with a little more speed and a better defender. Being compared to Duncan is not really a ringing endorsement.

  30. Mark December 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    They usually don’t have press conferences for traded players, do they? We didn’t have one for Swisher last year.

  31. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Delgado is an interesting possiblity. Even more interesting is that I have not heard a single rumor about him yet. Maybe the teams that would be in the market for him don’t like where he is health-wise.

    The thing is, with every DH-mostly type that is brought up, I keep thinking-yeah he is pretty good, but I would prefer Matsui. Make him an offer already and get him in here. With Grandy here, we need a #5 type more, assuming Granderson will bat second.

  32. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Everytime someone writes “Curtis” I pause. Do we have someone named Colin Curtis? I always think of that person when I see “Curtis”.

    Granderson needs a nickname. He doesn’t look like a Curtis.

  33. vin December 10th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    ““Now it seems like he’ll struggle to get $20 million,”

    Me too. Join the club, Aroldis!

    :lol:

  34. O*Line December 10th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Kevin Russo > Hairston or DeRosa

  35. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Wang decision in two days. If SJ thinks they’ll non-tender, he’s out.

  36. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    If Harden is too much @ 7.5 mill what do you think about Penny who got the same with incentives that could drive his salary up to 9 mil? Absurd deal for Penny, not so bad for Harden IMO

  37. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Randy Johnson got a press conference

  38. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    No on DeRosa.

  39. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    “Granderson needs a nickname. He doesn’t look like a Curtis”
    ————————————————–

    triple machine

  40. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 10th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    black taco

  41. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    There were some on this board who predicted that Harden and Sheets would not sign for anywhere near the 6-8M range. They said 10M base + incentives. The FA market is way depressed, but there likely will still be some out of whack deals like Penny.

  42. vin December 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    “Hoffmann is being compared to Shelly Duncan”

    By whom?

  43. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    7789
    December 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
    Derosa is a much better option than Cameron. And we all know how much Girardi loves “versatility” he will fall in love with Derosa.

    ———————–

    Cameron is a MUCH better baseball player than DeRosa. DeRosa’s career OPS+ is freaking 97 and he does not play a single position well.

  44. vin December 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    ““Granderson needs a nickname. He doesn’t look like a Curtis””

    He gets called “Grandy” a lot here, but I sometimes read it as “Gardy” – which confuses me with Gardner.

  45. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Ya know…I love Sheets as an option but it DOES force either Joba or Hughes out of the rotation assuming they are both Yankees come the spring.

    I do like the chatter of Duch or Ecobar as a starter/bullpen option but I’m a bit uneasy about it. We have Aceves for that roll.

    It’s really kind of a tough situation for the Yanks…Not an easy decision that could bite them in the butt no matter which way they go.

  46. vin December 10th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    “Kevin Russo > Hairston or DeRosa”

    At what? Surely not baseball.

  47. champ809 December 10th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Escobar,Kelkim is being positioned by his agents as strictly a reliever so clearly his own camp is skeptical about his shoulder holding up as a starter…

    same with Duchs he’s at least talking about initially coming back as a reliever but would love this move because he could transition tp the rotation should Joba or Phil falter…

    Love Sheets if he’s healthy to me he’s the best FA starter avail…but i think someone will go 2yrs and maybe an option if his meds are clear(The Mets should be all over him) and ofr the Yanks we don’t have the need to invest so much in him the way we’re set up.

    I think the Yanks are doing a masterful job of talking down Chapman and driving his price down…we prob get him for Strassburg $….From day one I’ve been saying that no way he gets over $25mil as I also said that Boras was screaming into the winds talking about $50mil for Strass….

    If i have to make an offer to Damon it’s 1yr 8-9mil with a TEAM option….the Dec 12 date puts alot of pressure on the Damon camp because the market is about to get FLOODED with non tenders and a ton more options will be avail….

    Cash is playing a beautiful hand of liar’s poker here…!

    and where’s Theo?

  48. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Hughes is not ready for primetime even as the #5 starter.

  49. dsss December 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I’m sorry to have to say it, but I’d forget Damon at this point.

    If KC is really interested in Gardner, what about using him as part of a deal to get DeJesus? His stats and splits are about the same as Damon, he’s 6 years younger, he’s cheaper, and tied up for 3 years.

  50. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    I have heard zero chatter from anyone outside of the commenters on this site about Dejesus being available. Not a single reliable lick. This seems like a pipe dream more then anything. KC has to be willing to move him.

    Also…did the Yankees set a deadline for Damon? I can find zero evidence of this.

  51. Bo Knows December 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    I am more than gruntled that the Yankees went after Hoffman. Nothing is written in stone but they gave themselves an opportunity to succeed. Instead of a safe pick of reliever that throws 95 in the direction of homeplate, they took a risk. A big, fast, patient hitter. Top defensive OF in the Dodgers’ minors. Heh, heh.

  52. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    MTU,

    He pitched fine as a #5 in the rotation before Wang came back and sent him to the pen.

  53. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    I really like the Hoffman pick. Who knows, maybe he is the next NYY starting LF’er.

    don’t have to have a superstar at every position.

  54. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    MTU
    December 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
    Hughes is not ready for primetime even as the #5 starter.

    ——————–

    The Yankees won 103 games last year with Mitre and Gaudin as their number 5′s. Hughes will be fine in that spot.

  55. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    “Psyched. Shooting ‘How I Met Your Mother’ on Dec 16. Will let you know how it goes. Show runs in Feb.
    about 1 hour ago from web ”

    http://twitter.com/NickSwisher

  56. Gary December 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    DeRosa has a low OBP, but it is still probably double that Russo’s OBP will be.

    And he also hits 20+ HRs and can play good defense at 9 positions.

  57. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    hughes wins 14 this year.

  58. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    I really like the Hoffman pick. Who knows, maybe he is the next NYY starting LF’er.
    don’t have to have a superstar at every position.
    —–

    Exactly!!!! Can you say Chad Curtis!?!?!

    I also really think the Yankees believe hughes IS ready for the big time. I would bet a lot he is a lot less expendable to the org than Joba.

  59. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    side note:

    how did an athlete/player like Curtis Granderson last until Round 3 of the draft ???

  60. austinmac December 10th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    I would have bet Hughes would win 14 games in 2008. I would prefer some capable insurance.

  61. Neckwrecker December 10th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    I wonder if the Yanks would give Damon a 1-year $9-10 mil deal with an option that kicks in automatically if he reaches certain numbers. Either games or AB’s. Say he plays 140 games and gets 500AB’s, the 2nd year automatically would kick in.

    As for the people down on Damon. Not many people have the instincts that Johnny used in Game 5 of the Series. You can’t teach that, you just have to be a smart, gutsy ballplayer. Johnny is still that guy. I think Johnny is one of the good clubhouse guys along with Swish, and the team would miss him.

  62. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    “how did an athlete/player like Curtis Granderson last until Round 3 of the draft ???”

    Probably the same way Pujols was a 13th round pick.

  63. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    I don’t think huhges is a finished product and being in the rotation does not seem like the place to learn new pitches. Otherwise, I think Hughes would be fine. He only has 2 1/2 pitches right now. His velocity will drop as a starter. It’s great for the bullpen. JMHO

  64. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Gary
    December 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    DeRosa has a low OBP, but it is still probably double that Russo’s OBP will be.

    And he also hits 20+ HRs and can play good defense at 9 positions.

    ———————-

    DeRosa plays 9 positions? Is he like an Angel in the Outfield or something?

  65. Bo Knows December 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Hoffman is supposed to have a strong arm, would be a waste in LF. I repeat a good hockey player can hit a baseball, same mechanics with a stable base. Hoffman was a two sport star that switched late to baseball full time. Paying attention to defense is a new Yankee direction. A RF with an arm, what a novel concept.

  66. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    johnny damon’s baseball IQ is off the charts, he’s a winner, and he’s a world-class nice guy, but unfortunatly, his legs are shot and his game is in decline.

  67. champ809 December 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    The funny thing about that,Joba vs. Phil, is that i can’t see what that opinion is really based on. I love ‘em both so i really try not to compare the two but if i had to
    I think Joba has more upside than Phil.

    Joba has a deeper repetoire of pitches

    Joba has more easy velo

    Joba has been the healthier of the two so far

    Phils delivery is a lil better than Joba’s as far as fluidity and repeatability but both guys need more work in that area

    Joba’s had more success on the field

    imo if both guys hit their ceilings Joba’s the better pitcher although it’s slight

  68. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    “DeRosa plays 9 positions? Is he like an Angel in the Outfield or something?”

    I have heard that he plays both RC and LC, as well as some occasional short-fielder on his winter-league softball team. :)

  69. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Talked ABOUT Sheets? I thought the Yankees were supposed to meet with his agent? Is that not happening?

  70. Yank1 December 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    DeRosa plays great defense at DH….

  71. TheCro December 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth:

    About a half hour ago, you posted that Lite Beer Christmas Commercial from the 70′s and wondered who were some of the lesser known Guys in it.

    In order of appearance, he’s my best recollection:

    Dick Butkis
    Boog Powell
    Deacon Jones
    An MLB Ump they used to ridicule for his “poor” eyesight
    Texas Bass Fisherman who used to appear with Billy Martin
    Jim or Bob Merazck (sp?) a Pool Player (this could be wrong)
    I don’t remember this Hispanic Boxer’s name(Alexis Arguelo?)
    Billy Martin
    John Madden
    Tommy Heinsohn
    “Marvelous” Marv Thronberry

    I hope this helps.

  72. Comet December 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    The more expensive the FA market gets for guys like Harden and Sheets, the more sense it makes to bring back Wang. Of course the Yankees know the medical reports and so will have a huge advantage in knowing if he is physically able to come back from the surgery and still be a top starter. I think that the Yankees could non tender Wang with an agreement in place to sign him for $3 or $4 million with lots of incentives in place should they so desire. I’m hoping to see a healthy Wang a part of number 28 in 2010. I’ve always thought a lot him since he came up as a rookie and gave them a very stellar performance.

  73. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Hughes will have the better career, and in the end will be an established solid front end MLB Starting pitcher…He has the complete package for Stardom…..

  74. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 10th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    So the Mets made an offer to Jason Bay that was similar to the one BOS made. And why would he choose the hapless Mets over BOS? BOS is the devil he knows, plus he doesn’t have to learn Spanish in order to play there. :P

  75. champ809 December 10th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    I agree at this point I’d love to see Wang back on a incentive laden deal

  76. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Right, so send Phil to the pen because he’ll learn to be a starter there. I don’t think there is any way the Yanks would trade him (I think they’d trade Joba first), but if he goes to the pen, then they should trade Phil……

  77. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    The pool players’ name you are looking for is Steve Mizerak.

    The fighter is definitely not Alexis Arguello. Might be Carlos Palomino.

  78. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    I think Matt Snell did the very first Miller Lite commercail…I remember it was shot at a Bar in New Rochelle on Shore Drive near the NYAC / Bay Club…….I thought it was called The Mayflower back then….. 1971 / 1972

  79. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    “So the Mets made an offer to Jason Bay that was similar to the one BOS made. And why would he choose the hapless Mets over BOS? BOS is the devil he knows, plus he doesn’t have to learn Spanish in order to play there”
    ————————————————-

    on that note, would bet my life if John Lackey was latino, the Mets would’ve signed him or made him an offer by now

  80. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Also, that was not Deacon Jones, it was Bubba Smith.

  81. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Pat-
    I respect your opinion. I have never played the game on
    a professional level (like you). Don’t you think Hughes could use some more time to work on his secondary stuff, or do you think that he can do that on the fly within the rotation ? If you do. Can you share your reason(s) why ?

  82. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    The more expensive the FA market gets for guys like Harden and Sheets, the more sense it makes to bring back Wang. Of course the Yankees know the medical reports and so will have a huge advantage in knowing if he is physically able to come back from the surgery and still be a top starter. I think that the Yankees could non tender Wang with an agreement in place to sign him for $3 or $4 million with lots of incentives in place should they so desire. I’m hoping to see a healthy Wang a part of number 28 in 2010. I’ve always thought a lot him since he came up as a rookie and gave them a very stellar performance.
    ——-

    You know, I never really thought about it like that before but super point. We keep talking about all these other pitcher reclamation projects but why not the one thats under our very nose?

    I definitely haven’t lost faith in wang yet. IF he can get past his injuries I think he can easily get into old form.

  83. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    One of my alltime favorite beer Christmas commercials, haven’t seen it on TV in years:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  84. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    phil showed some mental toughness and maturity last season. when he lost his rotation spot, instead of sulking or whining, he went to his manager and told him he’d accept any role to stay on the team, moved to the BP, became a short-man and really contributed to his team’s success.

    joba…not so much. lets hope that he develops a little toughness, gets in better shape and comes back ready to contribute next season.

    you may be right about joba having the edge stuffwise, but phil definitly has the edge in the critical 6″ between the ears.

  85. Joe December 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    If they want Sheets, they better hurry. Cubs apparently are hot for him and the Rangers like him too, even after signing Harden.

  86. Mike Ri December 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    I think Sheets is the arm the Yanks should target. i hope we get him

  87. Laura - Bring back Matsui in 2010! December 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    “on that note, would bet my life if John Lackey was latino, the Mets would’ve signed him or made him an offer by now”

    No doubt. It’s amazing that they are allowed to get away with such blatant discrimination.

  88. OJ December 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Joba didn’t even come into camp in shape last year.

    And he is going to be guaranteed a spot in the rotation this year? They are going way soft on the kid…

  89. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Just read Shaugnessy’s piece in the Boston Globe – classic; I didn’t know he had it in him, lol

  90. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    The problem with Wang vs the other injury risks is that they will be able to pitch from ST on, while Wang will not be able to pitch at the ML level until June or July at the earliest. I don’t believe the May date cited by hs agent.

    I still do want him back, but more with an eye towards a return to his full form in 2011.

  91. champ809 December 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Sheets will be priced away from us

  92. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Sheets will be priced away from us
    —–

    Generally we price people away from other teams (a la Andy…even though we had 0 competition for him) not the other way around.

  93. Mike Ri December 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I don’t get it . Do the Cubs seriously want to risk another year on a pitcher with risk ???)….and didn’t the Rangers just sign Harden ? seems a little risky for both clubs that need some consistancy

  94. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Yanks won’t add another starter till they know what’s happening with Halladay.

  95. Mark in Tampa December 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    “Sheets will be priced away from us”

    Only if Cashman doesn’t really want him.

  96. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Ok Cito…….you’re supposed to want to help your team for the future, not just win a few extra games because Doc is out of the league:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....ZVBmhSyiEM

  97. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Phil, did you believe Bob Klapisch’s tweet that the Yanks are backing away?

    Also, if you don’t, then the problem with waiting out Halladay is that by the time the price drops (if it does), your other options have gone. Of course, maybe the Yanks are fine with Joba and Phil and would be willing to wait to make a deal.

  98. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    MTU…It’s always been my impression that Hughes has the makeup ( mentally & physically ) to be a quality starter….His repetitve delivery lends to his ability to spot and locate his fastball for strike one….He has a knee buckling curve….Those two pitches when they can be delivered at anytime for a strike makes for a deadly combination….His deveopment has been derailed by flukish injuries and of course last season for the most in the pen……I’m much older now obviously, but I can still recognize the pitchers I would not have much success against…..The other trait that Phillip has, which cannot be taught is Heart……Joba needs to find that and rekindle his drive and commitment if he has any chance to be an effective & quality starter….He’s a mess on the mound…If he’s not traded, and if he’s not set to the pen, it’s a fish or cut bait season in 2010 for him in Yankee Pinstripes…….

  99. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    MTU…It’s always been my impression that Hughes has the makeup ( mentally & physically ) to be a quality starter….His repetitve delivery lends to his ability to spot and locate his fastball for strike one….He has a knee buckling curve….Those two pitches when they can be delivered at anytime for a strike makes for a deadly combination….His deveopment has been derailed by flukish injuries and of course last season for the most in the pen……I’m much older now obviously, but I can still recognize the pitchers I would not have much success against…..The other trait that Phillip has, which cannot be taught is Heart……Joba needs to find that and rekindle his drive and commitment if he has any chance to be an effective & quality starter….He’s a mess on the mound…If he’s not traded, and if he’s not set to the pen, it’s a fish or cut bait season in 2010 for him in Yankee Pinstripes…….

  100. Patrick December 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    The yanks won’t add another starter unless it’s for depth. I could see a guy similar to gaudin being signed but nothing more than that. Joba and Phil will be in the starting rotation.

  101. Neil December 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    In Damon’s case, the ball is in the court of Scott Boras. He either accepts Cashman’s offer or the GM moves on to Matsui.
    Halladay talks appear dim and dimmer.

  102. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1647697

    The Yankees have notified Johnny Damon that they will begin moving forward without him if they can’t find common ground on financial terms, an industry source said.

    Because the Yankees still would like Damon back, even after acquiring Curtis Granderson from the Tigers, they have informed him through his agent, Scott Boras, that “the train is leaving the station,” as the source put it.

    Although there is no hard timeline, the Yankees clearly want to try to determine shortly whether there’s a chance to bring back Damon. They see him as a player worth, at most, the contract Bobby Abreu signed with the Angels – two years and $19 million – but Damon still wants a three- or four-year deal for the $13-million annual average value he just earned with the Yankees.

    If Damon stands his ground – and there’s little indication that he’ll bend – the Yankees will look more seriously into other free-agent options such as utilityman Mark DeRosa, centerfielder Mike Cameron and designated hitter Hideki Matsui.

    There’s an increasing expectation throughout the baseball industry that Matsui and the Yankees eventually will get back together, especially if Damon indeed goes elsewhere. Reports of Matsui’s other suitors appear to have been overstated.

  103. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    What does the AAA rotatin look like?

  104. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Pat-
    Appreciate your thoughts. Do you think those 2 pitches are enough for him to be successful at the present time ? Doesn’t he need a quality 3rd, or even a fourth pitch ? Thanks again.

  105. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Pat M, I just think Phil needs to pitch consistently and he’ll be fine. He must remain in the rotation or starting in AAA. He needs to be able to work on his curve, cutter and change – he’s a baby and he still has plenty of time to grow into a top pitcher, but he needs to get started now. He’s a very mature kid (despite a few bumps in the post-season, and I don’t mean on the field) and a hard worker. His command, when on, is ridiculous. He doesn’t need to throw 95 MPH – he’s just fine (more than that) at 92-94. I really think he’s an untouchable at this point……and I still find it interesting that teams are asking for him still.

  106. Joba in the pen December 10th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    “No doubt. It’s amazing that they are allowed to get away with such blatant discrimination.”

    Are they trading David Wright because he is white?

  107. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    well, tom, you can be sure of scanton’s #1 guy, he’s a lock!

  108. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Sheets was only an option if Andy did not come back. There is no point in getting your hopes up

  109. Rose December 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Betsy

    Hughes will start for the Yankees. He is not going to AAA, he will be wasted there.

  110. Mike Ri December 10th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    According to Stark

    •The Yankees are focused on adding a free agent starter and determining whether Johnny Damon will return.

    Good Job Cashman.. i love the focus on pitching !!!

  111. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....BHeadlines

  112. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Rose, he would be wasted in AAA, but I’d rather see him start there than in the pen.

  113. vin December 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    “well, tom, you can be sure of scanton’s #1 guy, he’s a lock!”

    Hey! He’s a free agent after next season, right? I can’t wait to see the Royals offer him a big contract.

  114. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Stark really has a scoop.

  115. Matt December 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Amazing ……….

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ox_bridge/

  116. sevrox December 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Yeah – let’s give up on Joba – a 23 year old pitcher who is 15 – 9, 3-something ERA, less hits and more strikeouts than innings pitched in his brief ML career.

    Brilliant.

    I still hold out hope for our fist-pumpin’, primal screamin’ rep of Native America.

  117. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    They should have already moved on from Damon.

  118. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    It the Yankees are looking hedge their bets and avoiding a repeat of Joba and hughes together in the rotation logic would dictate that one will either be traded, or moved to the pen. I am betting that Joba is in the rotation rather than hughes because he is fully stretched out and ready for a full season’s pitching ( at least we hope he is).

  119. Rose December 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Betsy

    No way Hughes will be in the pen. I think he will be a better SP than Joba.

  120. Betsy - high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Did anyone watch the YES Hot Stove show tonight? If so, any nuggets?

  121. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    “No way Hughes will be in the pen. I think he will be a better SP than Joba.”

    Actually, he could spend a portion of the season in the pen in order to keep him within any innings cap.

  122. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    “It the Yankees are looking hedge their bets and avoiding a repeat of Joba and hughes together in the rotation logic would dictate that one will either be traded, or moved to the pen.”

    Why wouldn’t they want them in the rotation together…for 10 years or so.

  123. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Rich-
    I meant for this year. Looks like Cashman may want another starter for this year and that would force one of Joba or phil to the pen.

  124. Nick in SF December 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    ****** BREAKING NEWS ********

    Red Sox Managing Partner John Henry has announced that the 2011 Season will be the team’s “Tunnel Year”.

    Said Henry: “We’ll be borrowing our way back to greatness in 2011. We’re one Big Dig away from our next world championship!”

    When reached for comment, Sox second baseman and former MVP Dustin Pedroia said: “As a little person, I’m not fond of bridges, but I’m already excited about the Tunnel Year in 2011. I come from a long line of diggers — Mole People, if you will — and I’m not afraid to get my hands dirty. Watch out, Derek Jeter; I dig winning!”

    ******* DEVELOPING STORY – MUST CREDIT NICK IN SF *********

  125. Mike Ri December 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Guys. i think Joba will be our future closer. Its where he belongs. and Joba should take the job of being a Yankee closer as an honor. Following Gossage and the best ever Rivera

  126. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    MTU

    Let’s say they signed Sheets. He could experience health issues. So could Pettitte given his age. The last two seasons were the only time in AJ’s career that he pitched 200 IP consecutively. So I understand why Cash wants to add depth.

  127. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Would love to see both Joba and Hughes succeed in the rotation for years to come.

    Would like to see Wang resigned for depth. Cheaper than other FA options, of that I’m sure.

    And would like to see 1 more proven arm in the pen, preferably a lefty.

    After that, we can re-address LF if needed.

  128. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    “i think Joba will be our future closer.”

    Let’s say that’s true for the sake of argument.

    Mo, although not the pitcher he once was, is still near great. He will probably want a new contract in 2011. So that would be at least two years until Joba became the closer.

    It would be waste of his talent to make him the 8th inning reliever for at least two seasons, unless his shoulder situation makes that a necessity, but we have no facts to support that right now.

    So for now, he should be a starter.

  129. TheCro December 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    MLBTR is reporting that the Chicago White Sox – and possibly the Kansas City Royals – are both interested in Brett Gardner.

    What could the Yankees garner for Gardner from these 2 Teams?

  130. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Unless one is injured (which may be likely) that rotation would be CC AJ Pettitte sheets and Joba OR hughes. I am not saying Phil would not get any starts at any point in the season. But the depth is with Phil or joba not with the others. No guarantee that Phil(Joba) will get a lot of starts.

  131. Paco Dooley December 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Apparently the White Sox are also interested in Gardner. I included the link to the story as my website link. I don’t see what they have to offer, but Gardner lost his spot to Granderson and I don’t see his role as a pure bench player (yes, good pinch runner and back-up OF option, but probably better trade bait if some teams are high on him).

  132. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I will say it again Carlos Delgado. Do not forget him.
    ——————————————————-

    Surely you jest.

  133. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    nobody’s giving up on joba, but there are questions about his maturity and whether he is going to have what it takes to step up and become a top of the rotation starter. same for phil. but i think phil has shown more maturity and toughness, while joba seemed to wilt in the face of adversity last season. time will tell but this is not the time to give up on either guy.

    i see them both starting next season. if that doesnt work whichever guy is struggling goes to the pen and they give the next guy a shot, aceves, gaudin or whoever. if that doesnt work you get someone by the trade deadline. look around at the other teams in the league, u see any can’t miss 4/5 combinations?

  134. Mike Ri December 10th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I respectfully disagree Rich. Mo had to wait his turn. Joba will wait his. Let him build the confidence in the 8th. let him learn from Mo. and then let him rock and roll

  135. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Are they trading David Wright because he is white?
    —–

    Their fan base would revolt. Plus he’s home grown. We’re talking FA singings which, admittedly there haven’t been many that are non-latin.

  136. vin December 10th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I’m not sure why the Yanks would trade Gardner. He can’t possibly have much value right now – unless if they’re convinced he won’t be able to hit ML pitching of the long haul.

    As SJ pointed out earlier today, Melky is a better trade candidate – because he has shown at a young age that he can be at least a league average CF. Gardner may eventually be a league average hitting CF, but he hasn’t really shown it yet. Plus, dealing Melky would save the Yanks quite a bit more money than dealing the much cheaper Gardner.

    Doesn’t make sense to me. Unless if they’re convinced Hofmann can be the 5th OFer.

  137. jake December 10th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    The Cubs like Melky. I like Sean Marshall out of the bullpen. I can see a one-for-one deal right there. Melky would replace Bradley and Marshall would replace Coke. Fair deal all around. If the Yankees re-sign Damon, I just don’t see them holding onto Melky. Sure, they could hold onto Melky and trade Gardner, instead, but Melky is worth much more than Gardner in a trade.
    The Hoffman kid may be worth something. It’s not highly likely, but it is possible. I mean, it’d be great to have a Mike Cameron or a Marlon Byrd as a RH complement to Damon or Granderson, but Hoffman HAS shown he can hit lefties with some power and play the OF well.
    In the same way that I can’t see the Yanks holding onto both Melky and Gardner in the event of Damon returning, I can’t see them holding onto both Alfredo Aceves and Chad Gaudin. Unless Mark Melancon implodes in ST–not likely–he’s going to win a spot on the 25-man. Marte, at this time, is the only lefty, and they’re going to want another one, for sure. Hence, the idea of obtaining Marshall. And, if Cashman doesn’t really think that Hoffman can help the big league club in 2010, I could see a slightly expanded deal with the Cubs: Melky+Gaudin for Marshall+Johnson. Again, that would be a pretty fair deal all around.

  138. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Mike Ri

    The difference is that Mo was basically a two pitch pitcher. He wasn’t a good starter.

  139. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    The only reason to trade Melky now is if a team was willing to overpay with a very good prospect, which would help to restock the farm system.

  140. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    MTU….Hughes also throws a Slider and a changeup, which needs more refining….He has a presence about him when on the mound….As if he firmly believes that’s where he belongs…..He’s always had that ever since he was a kid…

  141. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    If Hughes can improve his changeup the sky is the limit for him.

  142. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    The Cubs like Melky. I like Sean Marshall out of the bullpen. I can see a one-for-one deal right there. Melky would replace Bradley and Marshall would replace Coke. Fair deal all around.
    ————————————————–
    White Sox like Gardner and I like lefty Matt Thornton better. Would need to sweeten the pot for the Sox, but Thornton and Hughes were the two best AL 8th inning setup pitchers last year.

  143. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Melky+Gaudin for Marshall+Johnson.

    ———————————-
    Who’s Johnson?

  144. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Reed Johnson is a FA.

  145. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    OK Pat. However, if the Yanks get another starter ,i.e. Sheets it would seem that one of Joba or Phil will have to go to the pen. I am sure you do not see a 6 man rotation do you ? If joba comes to camp in shape and ready to pitch I see Phil going to the pen this coming season ( at least for part of it) because he is stretched out and has four pitches right now. I know their are some serious if’s with Joba but I personally think he is going to rise to the ocassion. there is a lot at stake for him and I think he knows it.

  146. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    “Are they trading David Wright because he is white?”
    ——————————————-

    no. They wouldn’t trade their lone white player

  147. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    mtu, nobody is stretched out, it’s december. they will all start out equally not stretched out in february.

  148. Joe from Long Island December 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    I’m a big believer in starting pitchers throwing a good fastball and a good changeup. I think that is a potentially deadly combination.

    If Phil ever developed a good change, to complement his fastball and his cutter, then the league should watch out.

  149. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Meant to say Joba is stretched out.

  150. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    “I’m not sure why the Yanks would trade Gardner. He can’t possibly have much value right now – unless if they’re convinced he won’t be able to hit ML pitching of the long haul.

    As SJ pointed out earlier today, Melky is a better trade candidate – because he has shown at a young age that he can be at least a league average CF. Gardner may eventually be a league average hitting CF, but he hasn’t really shown it yet. Plus, dealing Melky would save the Yanks quite a bit more money than dealing the much cheaper Gardner.

    Doesn’t make sense to me. Unless if they’re convinced Hofmann can be the 5th OFer”
    ————————————-

    agreed on all points.

  151. MTU December 10th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Ham-
    i just meant to say that Joba has a higher innings limit for next year. I didn’t mean to the wrong term- stretched out. sorry.

  152. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    As far as the sacrilege of sending Joba to the pen, whatever the reason(s), it is highly probable and quite possible.

    He will not be a guaranteed starter. If they acquire another starter or he has a lousy ST or Hughes just beats him out, there is no need to trade him. He will become a valuable asset in the pen as the all-important 8th inning set up man.

    I don’t understand the stubbornness in here regarding this situation.

  153. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    mick
    December 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    I will say it again Carlos Delgado. Do not forget him.
    ——————————————————-
    Surely you jest.

    ————–

    I do not. Delgado is a helluva player. If he is healthy dude could do some serious damage in YS next year and will probably cost less than Matsui.

  154. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    “I will say it again Carlos Delgado. Do not forget him”
    ——————————————–

    aside from bein washed-up, Delgado is use to running the clubhouse on teams he’s on. He would be running nothing if with NYY

  155. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    because valuable asset and 8th inning is like an oxy moron.

    Set-up men are not valuable assets. That is why teams like the Yankees do not want to give up their draft picks for them.

    If Joba is not in the rotation next year he will be traded for a valuable asset. Not waste away in the bullpen where he has minimal impact on the team

  156. DT - OPPC member December 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Welcome to the Yankees, Mr. Hoffmann.

    I remembered when you toiled in minor league obscurity as Barry Freed.

    I am taking the over on the number of times Hoffman’s name is mis-spelled.

    I will follow the NY Times lead and spell it both ways. http://tinyurl.com/ykcpzmw

  157. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    The Yanks should only trade Gardner for something of greater future value or something that can be rolled into a different deal for something they want.

  158. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    I do not. Delgado is a helluva player. If he is healthy dude could do some serious damage in YS next year and will probably cost less than Matsui.
    ——————————————————
    Either youre kidding or don’t know much. The reason they would let Matsui go is to platoon at DH, otherwise you keep him. He would be cheaper than DelGado, is a proven winner, and besides, DelGado is trouble wherever he goes. He is the anti-Matsui, someone Cash would never bring here.

  159. bru December 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    does everybody remember when wang got hurt?

    when we got a scare when pettitte had to miss a start & got his arm checked?

    joba,mitre was pitching poorly?

    gaudin was going only 4 or 5 innings?

    ace started a game & was never the same?

    when hughes & kennedy were our 4th & 5th starters & did not win one game?

    if we lose 1 pitcher to injury wich will happen we have only 2 starters that we can trust as of now

    cashman will get another pitcher.

    at the end of the year & in the postseason we struggled with our 4th & 5th starters

    we can’t go with joba & hughes as our 4th & 5th

    keep in mind that they both are going to be 5 inning pitchers

  160. vin December 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    “I will follow the NY Times lead and spell it both ways. ”

    :lol:

  161. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    How is Delgado washed up? Your kidding right?

    He had a 141 OPS+ before he got hurt last year. In 2008 he had 127 OPS+ and hit 38 HR!

    Guy could hit 35-40 HR in YS no problem is he is healthy.

    And he ruins clubhouses? Please.

  162. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    MTU..Ever since the season ended, it’s been my contention that Cashman will not go with both Hughes & Joba in the rotation…..As the sit right now, the bullpen has at least 3 holes to resolve….The loss of Hughes, Bruney & Coke, and the rotation as it sits has Hughes & Joba as the 4/5 guys…..So it’s clear there’s going to be some additions and maybe by subtraction as well……I do think if they acquire a Free Agent arm, it’s likely that Joba would be the leading candidate to the pen….That can change of course when Pitchers and catchers report on Feb 14th or so…..Some get into camp with Derek in late January, Hughes was there the last 2 January’s, let’s hope Joba reports early as well, and in shape….

  163. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Don’t care about Melky at all. I sure would like to see Damon back, he’s clutch. Team chemistry, don’t touch it.

  164. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Set-up men are not valuable assets. That is why teams like the Yankees do not want to give up their draft picks for them.

    If Joba is not in the rotation next year he will be traded for a valuable asset. Not waste away in the bullpen where he has minimal impact on the team
    ——————————————–
    Are you serious?

  165. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    “The only reason to trade Melky now is if a team was willing to overpay with a very good prospect, which would help to restock the farm system.”

    I meant Gardner.

  166. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    mick
    December 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    I do not. Delgado is a helluva player. If he is healthy dude could do some serious damage in YS next year and will probably cost less than Matsui.
    ——————————————————
    Either youre kidding or don’t know much. The reason they would let Matsui go is to platoon at DH, otherwise you keep him. He would be cheaper than DelGado, is a proven winner, and besides, DelGado is trouble wherever he goes. He is the anti-Matsui, someone Cash would never bring here.

    ———————-

    Delgado fit in fine in the Mets clubhouse. This is all nonsense. And he absolutely will get less than Matsui, because he is coming over a serious injury. If he is healthy he is most definitely an option and a very good one at that. Get a clue.

  167. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    “does everybody remember when wang got hurt?

    when we got a scare when pettitte had to miss a start & got his arm checked?

    joba,mitre was pitching poorly?

    gaudin was going only 4 or 5 innings?

    ace started a game & was never the same?”

    i remember all these things and the thing i remember the most about that season is that we won the world series!

    when hughes & kennedy were our 4th & 5th starters & did not win one game?

  168. Ham Fighters December 10th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    and i remember we won the world series

  169. Dan December 10th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    http://www.mlive.com/tigers/in.....gle+Reader

    Way to go Detroit papers! Check out the photo of Phil Coke there – I’m pretty sure we didn’t give up Dave Robertson in that deal.

  170. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Delgado fit in fine in the Mets clubhouse. This is all nonsense. And he absolutely will get less than Matsui, because he is coming over a serious injury. If he is healthy he is most definitely an option and a very good one at that. Get a clue.
    —————————————————–
    Keep your Met losers to yourself. The idea is to open up the DH for Posada, Arod, etc…Get an education.

  171. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Set-up men are not valuable assets. That is why teams like the Yankees do not want to give up their draft picks for them.
    If Joba is not in the rotation next year he will be traded for a valuable asset. Not waste away in the bullpen where he has minimal impact on the team
    ——————————————–
    Are you serious?
    ——–

    He’s correct in saying this. If you have a potential bright young arm who could make an impact as a starter, the 8th inning is a complete waste. You want as many innings out of your best pitchers as possible and Joba has shown that if he pitched regularly he can be a fully capable 4 or 5 starter on this team and possibly more in the future. Total waste to make him the 8th inning guy.

  172. mick December 10th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Not against Joba getting the chance to start. Just saying if it doesn’t work out he can come out of the pen.

  173. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Oh yeah open DH up for Posada, Arod, etc.?

    That is not happening because then you have no such thing as an A lineup. Why do yo think they are negotiating with Damon and Matsui. Damon is coming back if he does as a DH not a LF. The Yankees will have a DH next year and Delgado would be a great option. He could easily outperform Matsui and Damon.

    There has never been any indication Delgado is a cancer. He is in fact know as one of the nicer guys in baseball. He just does not like speaking to the media so people kill him for not being a “true leader.” On the Yankees he would never be called upon to be a leader.

    The rotating DH thing is almost as laughable as Bubba Crosby as the Yankees starting CF

  174. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    “Not against Joba getting the chance to start. Just saying if it doesn’t work out he can come out of the pen.”

    I agree with that.

  175. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Now that Chad and Sam are running this blog, how are they developing their contacts inside the organization? Pete had a clear inside track to information, or at least he made it seem like he did, and that is what made this blog so great. While Chad and Sam are posting a lot, I don’t get the impression that they have that edge.

    I don’t feel like emailing Sam directly, not my style, but I’m hoping someone will pick up on this.

  176. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    If Joba does not win a job out of ST you trade him for another young starting pitcher, position player, or even a guy like Halladay. You would be turning him into solely a RP and that is a complete and utter waste of pitcher who has a ton of value in baseball.

  177. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    That is not happening because then you have no such thing as an A lineup. Why do yo think they are negotiating with Damon and Matsui. Damon is coming back if he does as a DH not a LF. The Yankees will have a DH next year and Delgado would be a great option. He could easily outperform Matsui and Damon.
    —————————————————–
    You sound like a Met fan, you keep him. Damon will DH along with the others and play LF over 100 games.

  178. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Like I said earlier today, Joba as an average MLB number 4 starter is incredibly more valuable than a reliever.

    Good relievers are lucky to get paid $4 million a year.

    Number 4 starters easily pull in 10 million+

  179. Pat M. December 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Delgado caught alot of heat for the National Athem protest when he was with the Blue Jays….All other accounts is he’s a good dude…..As for the Yanks, he’s probably on a list of possible candidates……He could be a force in the Bombers lineup, however it’s really about Damon & Matsui right now……However that window is closing on Johnny

  180. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Now that Chad and Sam are running this blog, how are they developing their contacts inside the organization? Pete had a clear inside track to information, or at least he made it seem like he did, and that is what made this blog so great. While Chad and Sam are posting a lot, I don’t get the impression that they have that edge.
    I don’t feel like emailing Sam directly, not my style, but I’m hoping someone will pick up on this.
    —–

    Give Chad a little bit of time. I think it’ll certainly happen. This site is way too big of a deal in terms of traffic and readership to not garner some respect from inside of the organization. I think Sam, while not as inside as Pete was will also grow as an insider.

  181. Doreen December 10th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    The guy posted that Delgado RUNS clubhouses, not ruins clubhouses. And that he wouldn’t be able to RUN the clubhouse in YS. :)

    But, whatever, I don’t think the Yankees will go there, and I think the Mets are still very interested in bringing him back.

  182. bru December 10th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Ham Fighters

    joba pitched well before the asb & hughes was in the pen

    different scenario

    why is cashman & girrardi saying that we need 2 pitchers before pettitte signed & still targeting a pitcher?

    because they don’t trust joba,hughes will have growing pains & injuries to starters

    you never think you have enough pitching

  183. Seven December 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Why do people tend to want Hughes as a starter and Joba in the bullpen? So far Joba has been the much better starter of the two. He has four pitches. If Joba regains some of his fastball velocity like he had as a starter in 2008 he will be a future ace. He doesn’t need to hit 100 mph if he just consistently throws his fastball 93-96 he will be fine.

  184. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Yeah what am I thinking for wanting a guy whose career line is this:

    .280 AVG .383 OBP 138 OPS+ and could hit 40 HR in YS (all if the medicals check out)

    The Yankees would be crazy to consider a guy with those numbers……….

  185. bru December 10th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    joba wan not nearly the concern before the asb as he was after

    our pen will get overworked with hughes & joba in the rotation

    not happening

  186. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    If Joba does not win a job out of ST you trade him for another young starting pitcher, position player, or even a guy like Halladay. You would be turning him into solely a RP and that is a complete and utter waste of pitcher who has a ton of value in baseball.
    ————————————-
    I wish him all the luck in the world but you don’t throw away a pitcher with his potential if he fails as a starter.

    And I have news for you. I think Cash is thinking he would be better off in the pen.

  187. bru December 10th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    joba was

  188. OJ December 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    All I know is that the protection for A-Rod is currently NOT on the Yankee roster… big issue…

  189. TD December 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    I like Gardner… but if her were to go to KC, and can play everyday good for him.

    De Rosa and Cameron?

    Does this fit with getting younger and more athletic. What would these guys bring?

  190. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    All I know is that the protection for A-Rod is currently NOT on the Yankee roster… big issue…

    —–

    Although I think the Yankees will add some protection this is really a claim only a Yankee fan could make. there are plenty of teams out there with far less protection for their star then we could offer. Cano/Swisher while obviously not the best of ideal could fill this roll.

  191. Harold December 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    “.280 AVG .383 OBP 138 OPS+ and could hit 40 HR in YS (all if the medicals check out) ”

    Are those Cameron’s numbers?

  192. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Carlos Delgado

  193. Allan December 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Yeah, Pete had great information…

    like how Donnie Baseball would definitely be our manager and not Girardi….

    or how the Yankees would not sign 3 big FAs last year because Cashman wanted to lower payroll because of the economy….

  194. Tankus December 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Might as well just bring back Matsui if you want Delgado.

  195. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    All I know is that the protection for A-Rod is currently NOT on the Yankee roster… big issue…
    ————————————————-
    How about Posada?

  196. Abdababdaserser December 10th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Does anyone honestly see each of the starters DH about one game a week? That is what a rotating DH would mean, and it also means putting in a bench player into their position for the day.

    While that might be nice for resting the players, that is a lot of games where the players are getting off from their positions. Its significant time off.

    I just don’t see that being something the players would like all that much. Sure they like a rest now and then, but Jeter, Alex, Teixeira, Granderson, all seem like they wouldn’t really need that much time off. Alex needed extra rest due to healing from his surgery, but it probably won’t need as much time off as last season.

    Add to that, isn’t it more beneficial to give a full day off then it would be to have DH duties if the player really needs a rest?

    Posada DH more doesn’t give him the off days that would be helpful for a catcher either.

    A DH who plays more games seems a better option than having to have a position fielded by a weaker player.

  197. blake December 10th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I like Chad and Sam just fine.

  198. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    All I know is that the protection for A-Rod is currently NOT on the Yankee roster… big issue…
    ————————————————-
    How about Posada?

    ——

    EXACTLY! Posada, Cano and Swisher could all protect the big bat in the lineup on most other teams in the league. Just b/c we aren’t signing a superduper star to fill this roll doens’t mean we couldn’t fill this need if the season started tomorrow.

  199. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    A 2 3 4 5 of Granderson, Tex, Arod, and a healthy Delgado would be off the charts ridiculous.

    The could combine to hit 160 HR

  200. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    What makes you think Delgado would want to DH?

  201. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    What makes you think Delgado would want to DH?
    —-

    What makes you think he won’t. He’s getting up there in age and isn’t a plus first baseman. I’ve heard that he is largely seen as a DH type on the market this year. The fact that he COULD play first if needed does add some attractiveness to him though.

  202. Abdababdaserser December 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    I could see any of Swisher, Cano or Posada being protection for Alex. (That sounds a bit creepy, doesn’t it?)

    The lineup looks pretty good as it is, and while of course you could add a player in there who can hit in the DH role (like Matsui? or Thome?) it is a lineup that could score a lot of runs.

    Even with Gardner getting some time in it, it is a lineup that would wear down pitchers. That is plenty.

  203. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Would much rather have Matsui DH over delgado

  204. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Delgado will go to any team who pays him the most whether it be to DH or be the bat boy (obviously not but you get the point).

  205. Abdababdaserser December 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Not every player who is a good hitter can put it together as a DH though. Delgado might but Matsui can. There is a difference.

  206. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Chad and Sam seem to have as much inside info as Pete did. Which doesn’t seem to be an incredible amount.

    Beat writers in general report what they’re given. The Shermans, Heymans, Olneys of the world try to worm their way in and report what they “hear” which isn’t always good solid intel.

    Pete would put his calls in to Cash and would report what was discussed. I’m sure that Chad does/will do the same. Chad did a nice job of giving us some final thoughts from Cashman before he boarded a plane.

    If you don’t expect too much, then you won’t be disappointed.

    I’m sure that Chad and Sam would be welcome to suggestions via e-mail. Otherwise just enjoy and appreciate what’s offered. If it’s not enough for you, there’s this new-fangled thing called the internet. I don’t know how they do it, but you can find information at the speed of light. It’s so cool.

  207. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    “Give Chad a little bit of time. I think it’ll certainly happen. This site is way too big of a deal in terms of traffic and readership to not garner some respect from inside of the organization. I think Sam, while not as inside as Pete was will also grow as an insider.”

    I hope it will come, but the blog just doesn’t feel the same. Feels like all the other opinion blogs now. I hope they will keep digging hard and work to establish the relationships Pete had for that “you heard it here first” vibe. (not a big Pete fan by the way, not after he left anyway).

  208. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Yeah, Pete had great information…

    like how Donnie Baseball would definitely be our manager and not Girardi….

    or how the Yankees would not sign 3 big FAs last year because Cashman wanted to lower payroll because of the economy….
    ———————————————————–
    Pete might have hated the Yankees. Sometimes the bias has to come across.

  209. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    “Delgado will go to any team who pays him the most whether it be to DH or be the bat boy (obviously not but you get the point)”
    ————————————

    if Skippy will let him, i like the bat boy idea okay

  210. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    “I hope it will come, but the blog just doesn’t feel the same. Feels like all the other opinion blogs now. I hope they will keep digging hard and work to establish the relationships Pete had for that “you heard it here first” vibe. (not a big Pete fan by the way, not after he left anyway).”


    Opinion blog wasn’t the right term, but it feels like a reporter pool blog rather than an insider blog.

  211. Joe from Long Island December 10th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    I may be wrong, but…How exactly did Delgado show leadership in the Mets’ clubhouse? You know, that team in Flushing, where they seem to specialize in collapses, losing atmosphere, playing politics to go to the asst. GM to try and get Willie Randolph fired, because nobody on the team cares about winning or being professional….You know, that clubhouse. Unless helping Jose Reyes become a prima donna qualifies as leadership, I’d say, leave Delgado alone.

    If the Yanks need to get a pure DH, Hideki Matsui will do a much better job, all the way around.

  212. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    “like how Donnie Baseball would definitely be our manager and not Girardi”
    ——————————————

    I remember that prediction, as i was dissapointed and mad. Then weeks later Buster Onley made the correct prediction, and rest was history. To me Buster is not all bad. And receives extra points for bein from a farm in VT

  213. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    “Yeah, Pete had great information…
    like how Donnie Baseball would definitely be our manager and not Girardi….
    or how the Yankees would not sign 3 big FAs last year because Cashman wanted to lower payroll because of the economy….”
    —–

    Yet you can’t deny his access and the way it felt like he was on the inside edge of the club house and management.

  214. mick December 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I really cant see them not bringing Matsui back.
    You can still platoon the Dh as they did last year.
    Matsui needs to rest those knees as well.
    Seems like a no brainer.
    A guy coming off a major injury will not be considered.

  215. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    mick,

    They platooned the DH last year? What was the split?

  216. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Still Phil v Joba. I still insist that Joba is the better pitcher. What crap! Joba should be honored to replace Mo. So why shouldn’t Phil be also honored to replace Mo. Not downgraded Mo in any manner because he is the best in the business and I love and respect him.

    REPOST:
    JeterJobaCanoFan2010
    December 10th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    SJ:

    1. Cash did come out publicly last season and say emphactically that Joba was a starter and that he would not be put back in the pen. The media keeps up the Joba to the pen idea and that was his response. I can provide the article if anyone is interested.

    2. You mention that the Yankees tried two “kids” in the rotation once and it was not pretty. Those two were Phil Hughes and the traded Ian Kennedy. Phil now has had the chance to prove himself and Kennedy proved he was not rotation material. Joba has a lot of major league pitching under his belt. Not the same.

    MORE: Another poster mentioned that a lot of energy has been put into the development of Joba Chamberlain and it is a shame he isn’t given another opportunity. Joba filled in where necessary in 07 and 08, you would think he deserves more consideration for his work.

    Another poster mentions that Joba only had three good games this year and that is not true. Go back and look at his stats, please.

    Yes, I am a die-hard Joba fan and will remain so wherever he pitches.

    It is good to see well thought out replies by posters on Joba’s value to the Yankee team. That type of debate which includes his strengths as a projected rotation pitcher is what I like to read. Too many times posters focus on the negatives of Joba’s personality rather than his pitching prowess, or lack of. Just saying that Phil goes to the rotation and Joba to the pen w/o justification is not a welll thought out post.

    Another thought? What happens if Phil is in the rotation and fails. Does he go to the BP and Joba goes back to the rotation. Or vice-versa. I know it is a business but the powers that be are playing with the professional lives of two quality pitchers who on any other team would be in their rotation and succeeding.

    This debate will only end if one is traded away. There will always be doubts by management and fans of who is better. And that should not be.

  217. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    I’ve never seen a maple tree, but the sap running down the trunk probably moves faster than this Lowell deal. I wish Lowell all the best, it’s not his fault he was traded to the Sox. I hope he earns every penny that Boston’s paying him.

    Thanks to whomever linked that Shaugnessy article. It was great. Read through some of the comments and it was comical. Talking about about how the Sox get hosed in trade talks having to give up 2-3 “A” prospects while the Yankees can get Granderson and almost Santana for a washed up IPK.

  218. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    “I remember that prediction, as i was dissapointed and mad. Then weeks later Buster Onley made the correct prediction, and rest was history. To me Buster is not all bad. And receives extra points for bein from a farm in VT”

    —–

    I used to like Buster a lot until ESPN sucked him into their gaping maw of RS love and adoration. Some day that cow milking kid will escape. I have hope.

  219. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 10th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Another concern is that the former baseball people or those still active in the business do make educated responses which are great to read.

    My concern is that some of the fans may totally believe the statements. I recall seeing some posts almost verbatim in a negative manner.

    But you fellas are not 100% correct on all your pronouncements, right?

    No one can be that perfect. Unless you are Jeter or Mo.

  220. Mark-Cant Touch This December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    I really thought tiger was smarter than this, when will it end

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n.....IEA9ODtbpI

  221. Tankus December 10th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Pete had inside information from the CLUBHOUSE (like how the veterans were ticked off at Kennedy after that postgame).

    He never broke any FA stories or found out who the Yankees were seriously targeting, or who the Yankees would be willing to give up, etc. He would just relay reports from ESPN that we saw hours earlier.

    I would think Chad can get clubhouse info just as easily as Pete did.

  222. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Just heard on Japanese web site about a Yanks – Matsui deal for one year. Not sure if it’s just a rumor, an offer, a negotiating tactic for Damon, or an actual done deal. Anybody?

  223. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    As I think about it, it wasn’t that Pete had more information, it was how he reported it. He spoke like he was really there during the games and post games. It sounded like, “And now I have to quit posting and head down to the locker room because the game is in the 8th”. Or, “here comes Cashman, I’m going to get an interview, here he comes”. It sounded more live maybe.

  224. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Chad’s been on the job, what, 3 months? I wouldn’t expect him to have those kinds of “contacts” in that short of a time.

    And really, the only “info” came from Johnny “Oops I shouldn’t have said that” Damon and Jason “Who needs Jack Daniels to loosen these lips” Giambi.

    You don’t get “inside” dope from Jeter or Mo or any of those guys.

    If a story’s told, you can find it on Feinsand’s and Kepner’s blog, too.

  225. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    I think it might be just an offer …

  226. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    “Just heard on Japanese web site about a Yanks – Matsui deal for one year. Not sure if it’s just a rumor, an offer, a negotiating tactic for Damon, or an actual done deal. Anybody?”

    Link?

  227. Mark T December 10th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Olney, Stark, Rosenthal, Ed Price, Heyman, Davidoff, Klapisch, Curry, Harper, Madden, Sherman, etc. are baseball writers… not beat writers.

    Beat writers are guys like Sweeney, Boland, Fiensand, Kepner, Caldera, Marc Craig, etc. How many rumors have those guys broken so far? Aside from Feinsand, I don’t think any have. Their job isin’t to pick up rumors, it is to cover the team.

    Usually if a guy has accumulated a lot of sources, they become national writers. Heyman, Sherman, Olney, Price all covered the Yankees at some point within the past few years.

  228. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    “What crap! Joba should be honored to replace Mo. So why shouldn’t Phil be also honored to replace Mo.”

    No offense, but this is nuts.

    It’s perfectly reasonable for young pitchers, who have been starters for almost all of their careers, to remain as starters.

  229. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Thoughts,

    There. You nailed it. It’s not the content, it was how it was delivered. He was edgy and witty. I miss him because of that. But not enough to visit the Extra Bases Blog on any kind of regular basis.

  230. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Rich – just a minute for that link … I have to get it from my wife’s computer. She’s japanese, you probably won’t be able to read it. I can’t read it yet.

    She just said it’s an offer not a deal.

  231. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Yep, totally writing style.

  232. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    ANSKY

    In that case, no need. Thanks though.

  233. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Here it is Rich…

    http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/h.....anspo-base

    M, can you translate whatever’ relevant?
    My source is not a baseball gal.

  234. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 10th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Who cares if Delgado showed leadership? You have to be a leader on your former team to play for the Yankees now. I was not aware of that requirement.

    All I know is that IMO

    A healthy Delgado for 3 or 4 million is >> Matsui for 7-8 mill

  235. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    I think that was a Japanese media rumor, and I hope the Yankees wouldn’t tease Hideki for the sole purpose of spurring Damon.

    They should have a foot race across NYS with contracts and pens at the end. Winner gets the contract. But Hideki needs to be spotted a huge lead.

  236. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    “As I think about it, it wasn’t that Pete had more information, it was how he reported it. He spoke like he was really there during the games and post games. It sounded like, “And now I have to quit posting and head down to the locker room because the game is in the 8th”. Or, “here comes Cashman, I’m going to get an interview, here he comes”. It sounded more live maybe.”

    There. You nailed it. It’s not the content, it was how it was delivered. He was edgy and witty. I miss him because of that. But not enough to visit the Extra Bases Blog on any kind of regular basis.

    No, I wouldn’t walk across the street to put Pete out if he was on fire. But he had a unique writing style that engaged the reader and made you feel like you were at the game or in the club house with him. Sam and Chad didn’t really do that during the World Series.

  237. DT - OPPC member December 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Chad’s analysis of the Rule 5 Yankee minor league players was excellent and spot on. I didn’t see that info elsewhere on other beat writer blogs.

    I doubt you would have got that from Pete either.
    Sometimes the cup is half full, not half empty…. ;-)

  238. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Huge.

    Unless they have to wad the other guy’s contract up and throw it across the room in order to close their own deal.

  239. Nick D. December 10th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I’m no Japanese scholar but based on a very crude translation via babelfish the article seemed very speculative.

  240. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    My guess is Matsui would pass on one year.
    And Damon would pass on two.
    But that’s just speculation too.

  241. Thoughts December 10th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    “Chad’s analysis of the Rule 5 Yankee minor league players was excellent and spot on. I didn’t see that info elsewhere on other beat writer blogs.
    I doubt you would have got that from Pete either.
    Sometimes the cup is half full, not half empty…. ”

    Not a thing wrong with the content, just not as fun on the delivery. Make us feel like we’re there guys!

  242. Rich in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    “My guess is Matsui would pass on one year.
    And Damon would pass on two.”

    As to Matsui: I don’t think so

    As to Damon: I hope so

  243. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Sorry, Ansky. I could only click “Translate” and it was horrible. I could forward it to my mother, but alas, she’s not a baseball gal either.

  244. Hi! My name is 'm' December 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I propose a homerun derby. Winner gets the contract.

  245. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    It’s just negotiations … at least that’s how it appears it was presented to Japanese media. Sounds like 1 year at 7, Tellem’s apparently asking 3 years at 8 each which would make him a 5/10 player. Again, just what my wife’ reading on a Japanese web site.

  246. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Thanks M

  247. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    I do think Matsui could still be a good DH for those 3 years though, if that’s how it were to shake out.

  248. ANSKY December 10th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    My guess is he’s plan ‘B’ to Damon, who may or may not be plan ‘B’ to something else. Unless something else is actualy plan ‘B’ to landing neither guy on the short & cheap.

  249. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I think Matsui would take a one year deal. I think Damon better if he wants to stay in pinstripes.

  250. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 10th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Rich: My point is the remark that Joba should be honored to replace was a bunch of crap. If it was such an honor then why shouldn’t Phil be just as honored to replace Mo. The poster was trying to justify Joba in the BP instead of Phil. And again, no disrespect to Mo who walks on water.

    I am just tired of this Joba v. Phil ruckas. They both deserve to be rotation pitchers. Joba in 4 and Phil in 5.

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