Guess the lineup?
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Since I know this is always a hot topic on the blog during the season, I figured we could pass a little time by considering just what the typical Yankees lineup will look like in 2010. GTLU December Edition?
Scott Boras thinks that Curtis Granderson is a “lower in the lineup” hitter, though that’s obviously because he believes Johnny Damon should still be the Yankees No. 2 hitter. For what it’s worth, Brian Cashman said he currently sees Granderson hitting second (unless Damon should return or the Yankees are facing a particularly tough lefty).
Me? Here’s what I think, assuming the Yankees do bring back Damon as a DH/occasional outfielder:
Jeter SS
Damon DH
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swisher RF
Cabrera LF
Cano 2B
If they don’t bring back Damon and end up with someone else at DH – Matsui? – I’d go with this:
Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui/Other DH
Posada C
Swisher RF
Cabrera LF
Cano 2B
One other thing I’d think about: Moving Swisher to No. 2 and hitting Granderson fifth or sixth. If Swisher is seeing pitches and working walks, he’s more of a weapon in front of Tex – lots of RBI opportunities for your best hitters if he’s getting on – while Granderson’s power makes him a fine fit in the 5 (or 6 or 7) holes. That plan only works, though, if Swisher is more regular-season Swish and less post-season Swish.
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mick
December 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
If he projects best in the bullpen they will trade him. The idea is to make the team better not fit guys in certain places because they are better suited for that role.
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I don’t understand. If he projects better in the bullpen, why not leave him there where he will be a valuable part of the team.
Will another championship with him in the pen convince you?
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Because if you scroll up I explained that Joba as even a number 4 starter is incredibly more valuable than Joba as an 8th inning guy. Joba pitched 6 innings this year in the playoffs. He is towards the bottom of the reasons why the Yanks won the WS. Starters like CC, AJ, and Pettitte were astronomically more important than Joba in the playoffs.
You have two right fielders for both lineups…
You really think Cano at No. 9? He seems primed for a breakout season, power wise. And at times he almost appeared like he might be getting patient at the plate.
No way Cano bats below Melky.
will the yanks not have a left fielder next year?
Yanks have a lot of Right Fielders I see.
In both lineups you have two right fielders. I assume that you intended to put Melky in Right for his arm and move Swish to Left.
Cano at #9??
with damon and matsui:
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Swisher
CF Grandy
Melky would bat ninth in both of those lineups. That said, I have long advocated batting Cano 9th till he get his walks up and has and OBP North of .360.
Cano isn’t batting lower than Melky.
sign matt holliday can solve all the problems
too early for this
and DONT sign holliday, he should stay in the NL
why are you batting cano ninth, not going to happen with melky in the lineup
when would cano ever bat below melky? ever?
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Holliday LF
Posada C
Granderson CF
Cano 2B
Random DH
Derek Jeter-ss
Curtis Granderson-cf
Mark Teixeira-1b
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Jorge Posada-c
Robinson Cano-2b
Nick Swisher-rf
Ryan Doumit-dh
Melky Cabrera-lf
With Damon:
SS Derek Jeter
DH Johnny Damon
1B Mark Teixera
3B Alex Rodriguez
C Jorge Posada
CF Curtis Granderson
RF Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
LF Melky Cabrera
Sans Damon…
SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
1B Mark Teixera
3B Alex Rodriguez
CF Curtis Granderson
C Jorge Posada
DH Juan Miranda
2B Robinson Cano
LF Melky Cabrera
Question: Has there been any talk about potentially trading Juan Miranda [plus lower prospect] for Derek Lowe?
Granderson to be on ESPN2 shortly on their hot stove show.
With Damon here is how I would line them up (i don’t think CG is a 2 hole or leadoff guy):
Jeter SS
Damon DH
Teix 1B
Arod 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swish RF
Cano 2B
Melky LF
With Matsui:
Jeter SS
Cano or Swish, but I like Cano here 2B
Teix 1B
Arod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swish or cano RF
Melky LF
I agree with that Melky bats 9th in either case. I’m not holding my breath for a breakout power year from Cano, and I don’t he’s ever going to be a guy who walks a lot.
Boras is right in the fact that Granderson isn’t your typical #2 hitter. They still need Damon for that spot (or someone like Damon).
AMS223
December 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
with damon and matsui:
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Swisher
CF Grandy
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I like this one the best
Somehow…i really can’t see the Melkman as our starting outfielder.
Too early for a lineup.
I really hope # 55 is in there!
Cano hitting 9th…behind Melky Cabrera…when Melky is a bunter and speed guy that can set up big innings for the lineup to turn over, and Cano hits into DPs and is a power hitter who clubbed .320 last year? Um…are you nuts? You hit Cano and Granderson 6 & 7 back-to-back without a doubt if Damon is back. Cano hit .310 against lefties last year and doesn’t strike out. Stacking the lefties causes no issues for that reason because Cano hits lefties like a righthander and doesn’t put 2 strikeout machines back-to-back.
SS Derek Jeter
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Alex Rodriguez
1B Mark Teixera
2B Robinson Cano
C Jorge Posada
DH Hitdeki Matsui
RF Nick Swisher
LF Melky Cabrera
I think the Yanks should sign Mike Cameron, leading to this lineup…
SS Derek Jeter R
DH Nick Swisher S
1B Mark Teixeira S
3B Alex Rodriguez R
LF Curtis Granderson L
C Jorge Posada S
2B Robby Cano L
CF Mike Cameron R
RF Melky Cabrera S
I know this is an unpopular idea but it’s not written in stone that the loser of a potential Joba/Hughes competition goes to the pen. Why can’t Hughes pitch in AAA and be ready to jump in should one of the starters go down? With AJ and certainly Sheets, the potential for the Yankees to need an emergency starter is high.
If all 5 starters stay healthy (how often does that happen?) and the bullpen is struggling in 2010 like it did at the start of 2009, Hughes can join them as he approaches his innings limit. Regardless, his IP cap is lower than Joba’s and he’ll be in the bullpen for the playoffs.
Ben Sheets will not be pitching for the Yankees next year. He will cost too much and by signing Ben Sheets for one freaking year the Yankees will guarantee that one of Joba or Hughes will NEVER be starting pitchers.
Starting pitchers are incredibly expensive. Relievers are not. Joba and Hughes will develop in the rotation next year backed up by someone like Deuscherer or Kelvim Escobar + McAllister, Nova, Aceves.
Turning either into a full time reliever will cost the Yankees big time money right now and in the future. It makes no sense.
agree.. switch melky and cano.
“Melky would bat ninth in both of those lineups. That said, I have long advocated batting Cano 9th till he get his walks up and has and OBP North of .360.”
Cano was 3rd in the league in total bases and had 25 home runs. Take that from your second basemen everytime. He’s a 5 hitter before he’s a 9 hitter.
SS Jeter
DH Damon
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
RF Swisher
CF Granderson
LF Cabrera
Sam,
Pretty spot on with the guess I’d say except for two things:
1) If Granderson isn’t hitting in the 2-spot, he needs to be hitting ahead of Posada, not behind him.
2) Cano should be in the 7 or 8 spot, Swisher in the other one, and Melky in the 9 spot.
Guys:
Thanks for the mentions on the two RFs. Edit made.
My thinking on the Cano vs. Cabrera thing is that it makes the order look like this: R, L, S, R, S, L, L, S, L. While I agree with some of what Steve wrote above, I think it’s not ideal to have that many lefties in a row.
Truth is, it’s a minor point – the difference between 8 and 9 in any given order isn’t worth much more than a few ABs. The one I’m most intrigued about is the possibility of Swisher hitting second (if Damon isn’t back). I think that could change the look of the lineup in a good way.
this post just made theo cry
the red sox, even with bay and beltre, are no where close to this level offensively
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
ARod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swish
Melky
Damn….no matter who you stick in the little spots….those lineups look mighty pretty. It’s going to be another good year in 2010.
Better yet, Cano should be the 5 hitter against lefties and Granderson should be the 5 hitter against righties.
Jeter SS R
Nick Johnson DH L
Tex 1B S
ARod 3B R
Posada C S
Granderson CF L
Swisher RF S
Cano 2B L
Melky LF S
Jeter and Nick Johnson will spend all season standing on first and second waiting for Tex and/or ARod to hit one out. I can’t wait
Obviously Swisher is a switch-hitter. So change his “L” to a “S”
The RS will sign Holliday, not Bay.
SIGN NICK JOHNSON. Perfect # 2 hitter. Average, really high OBP. Being a DH will keep him healthy for an entire season.
SS Derek Jeter R
DH Nick Johnson L
1B Mark Teixeira S
3B Alex Rodriguez R
CF Granderson L
RF Nick Swisher S
C Jorge Posada S
2B Robbie Cano L
LF Melky Cabrera S
vs LHP
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Holliday LF
Posada C
Granderson CF
Cano 2B
Miranda DH
vs RHP
Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Holliday LF
Posada C
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Montero DH
I agree with no 27.I think Cano can protect A-rod.He has the power and the skills to do so
Swish hit second a few times this season, right? I seem to remember him doing pretty well in that spot, but maybe I’m just imagining things. lol
If the sign Cameron, he’s going to be playing left, not center. Cash already said that Grandy is going to be the everyday CF, no matter who they sign.
Batting A-Rod 3rd would prevent the opposing manager from putting in a tough lefty to face Granderson and Teix late in the game. If Teix bats 3rd, it would make him a RHH, and he is a little better LH.
:tear: I miss this game! How much longer until opening day?
they did not get granderson to bat at the bottom of the order.
and neither is cano.
R jete
L grandy
S tex
R arod
L cano
S posada
? DH
S swisher
R melky
cano and posada are interchangeable, depending on if cano progresses like he should. the point here is, what part of this lineup to you bring in a reliever for?
SS – Jeter
CF – Granderson
1B – TEX
3B – AROD
DH – Matsui
C – Posada
2B – Cano
RF – Swisher
LF – Derosa
Agaisnt Lefty, Interchange Granderson and Derosa
Tom B:
That’s the idea, I think.
i love that some of you are putting matsui in your lineups. that’s very kind of you. too bad he has no chance of returning.
i like the nick johnson idea.
I still say they sign Damon & Matsui:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
That’s just….sick.
oh and melky is switch, that makes my lineup even better :p
They’re not going to put Granderson behind A-Rod because Granderson strikes out a lot.. So stop saying that
L to the 2nd:
It was sicker when I posted it 20 mins ago hahaha
just playing.
http://www.baseballmusings.com.....mp;Model=0
Alex 3b
Matsui dh
Damon lf
Tex 1b
Swisher rf
Cano 2b
Posada c
Grandersoon cf
Jeter ss
6.281 runs per game.
Remember… the games are played in spreadsheets and databases. Everything else is for entertainment purposes only.
If Damon comes back it will not be for LF..we all know that.
I’m loving people thinking under any circumstances Granderson is going to hit lower than 6th.
1 more hitter needed = Damon
1 More starter needed = Sheets
I kinda like the idea of A-Rod hitting 3rd and Tex 4th.
This would be mu lineup(if the Yankees sign Damon)
Jeter
Damon
Rodriguez
Texiera
Cano
Posada
Granderson
Swisher
Cabrera
Rotation:
Sabathia
Lackey
Burnett
Pettite
Hughes/Chamberlain
AMS 223 – I missed it.
Great minds think alike
Lol those “Worse Lineups” still got over 6r/game.
If they sign Mike Cameron yankees fans will be screaming about all the strikeouts during games. Between Cameron, Granderson and Swisher there will be a lot of swings and misses this season.
With Damon and Matsui
Jeter- SS
Damon- LF
Tex- 1b
A-rod- 3b
Matsui-Dh
Posada-C
Granderson- Cf
Swish-Rf
Cano-2b
Against lefties:
Jeter
Damon
Tex
A-rod
Matsui (hits lefties)
Posada
Swish
Cano
Melky (cf)
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Grandy
Swisher
Cano
With Damon, its gotta be:
Jeter
Damon
Granderson
A-Rod
Tex
Cano/Posada
Posada/Cano
Swisher
Melky
Granderson is a lock for 30+ homers hitting in front of A-Rod and in Yankee Stadium. A-Rod either sees better pitches hitting in front of Tex or gets walked. In which case, thats one more person on base for Tex. I think Granderson in the 3-hole clearly maximizes this offense. I don’t wanna hear “oh Tex is so much batter at 3 than anywhere else… ARod has to be #4 behind Tex, cause it worked last year.” Those guys are serious hitters. As long as they stay patient, they’ll hit. Granderson, with both ARod and Tex right behind him, would do very serious damage in Yankee Stadium.
I’m actually now reporting live from Gouda
where do you say?yes..Gouda.Yuo know the cheese?Gouda’s Cheese?Not the sticky american cheese
Nick has probably been here.He’s been everywhere!
Don’t forget lefty pichter hitting “The Hoff” we just got in Rule 5. He might come in there instead of Melky or someone vrs lefties.
Why are so many people enamored w/ Damon?
He’s terrible defensively, and was pretty bad the 2nd half offensively. Dude’s getting old
Granderson should never be in the number 2 spot behind Jeter. I can’t believe I actually agree with Boras. Grandy strikes out WAY too much to hit behind Jeter. The Yanks NEED to sign Damon. He’s the perfect #2 hitter behind Jetes (as was PROVEN this year.) Grandy is a 30HR guy and should be protecting A-Rod in the lineup, especially since Matsui won’t be back (too one-dimensional now). Without Damon, I think Swish would be a decent #2 guy because he takes alot of pitches and doesn’t strike out a ton.
Jeter-SS (R)
Damon-DH/LF (L)
Tex-1B (S)
A-Rod-3B (R)
Grandy-CF (L)
Posada-C/DH (S)
Cano-2B (L)
Swisher-RF (S)
Melky-LF (S)
I really feel that Damon has a couple of good years left with the bat and can spell Melky or Swish in left. As much as I love Matsui as a classy, professional player, him being limited to DH’ng hurts the club more than it helps.
Wonderful, now can we get some Chien-ming Wang news???
Dec. 12 is almost here.
Looks like Notre Dame has a new football coach.
Japanese media, Sankei Sports reporting that the Yankees will likely offer free agent Hideki Matsui a one-year $7m deal by next week.
http://translate.google.com/tr.....&tl=en
1 more hitter needed = Holliday
1 more starter needed = Sheets
No Way Cano hits ninth. He’s certainly ahead of Melky and possibly Swisher.
My all-Lohud rumor lineup:
Hanley Ramirez ss
Randy Wynn RF
Nick Johnson 1b
Matt Kemp CF
Mike Cameron CF
David DeJesus DH
Mark DeRosa 3b
Orlando Hudson 2b
Dionner Navarro C
Josh Johnson P
And I have never been to Gouda. I have also not been to Parma, though I’ve been to Bologna.
Vin
Where’s Ryan Church?
I don’t want to spoil the party, but isn’t guessing the lineup before we know who’s on the team kind of pointless?
Granderson has the speed to stay out of the DP though and he can handle a bat and speed down the line when he makes contact to put pressure on the defense. He can also steal bases. He just needs to cut down on the K’s but he’s fine for the 2 spot.
“Lol those “Worse Lineups” still got over 6r/game.”
You can thank Brian Cash-money for that.
Sorry about that translated article. It makes no sense what so ever.
“Where’s Ryan Church?”
He’s on the bench… where he belongs.
Along with the salary-dump acquired Vernon Wells.
Cody Ransom is a backup infielder because there were some here who actually wanted him over Alex at the start of the year.
20011 lineup:
Jeter
Granderson
Teixeria
Arod
Jesus Montero
Cano
Posada
Swisher
Gardner/Melky/anonymous LF’er
If the Yankees can get Matsui to agree to 1 year, it’s a steal. If no Holliday, then go after Crawford after 2010.
vin-
Where’s Brad Hawpe?
“And I have never been to Gouda. I have also not been to Parma, though I’ve been to Bologna.”
Is anyone else hungry?
“vin-
Where’s Brad Hawpe?
”
He’s in extended spring training working on his OF defense skills.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixieira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Granderson CF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Miranda DH
CANO will NEVER bat behind Melky. Thats just plain wrong.
Miranda DH = Bubba Crosby CF
Not happening.
You missed out Nick
Never heard of Gouda’s cheese?
I’ve always liked Nick Johnson and was sorry to see him go. While I think he would be a good DH, I don’t see it happening with the Yankees.
On the days when he isn’t DH and Tex is playing 1b, you would lose his bat. With the way the Yankees are currently setup and if Matsui doesn’t return, it would make more sense to have a DH who can play OF and sub Melky/Gardner so you don’t lose the hitter.
Why would you put someone as fast as Granderson behind someone as slow as Posada? Granderson has the power and speed to be a great 5 hitter. Put Posada behind him and let Georgie drive in some more runs.
I don’t get it, if Granderson bats second and Jeter is presumably batting leadoff where would that put Damon?
Awwwwwwwwwww Sam-
Thanks for the GTLU nod!!!!! I have to admit, I kind of miss GTLU a lot
115 Days, 18 hours, 19 minutes until Opening Day!!!!!!!
(Assuming a 1pm start time)
roger, I have heard of Gouda’s cheese, but I can’t go to every single cheese town in Europe.
But that’s great for you!
Granderson hitting bottom in the order is a waste. He is fast and has power.
Hit him 5th behind A-Rod. That way, Posada’s DPs go down because Granderson has good speed. You also put Granderson ahead of RBI guys like Posada and Swisher.
Granderson hitting 6th-9th is a waste of his skill set.
L to the 2nd
December 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Miranda DH = Bubba Crosby CF
Not happening.
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George Steinbrenner’s 25th birthday present to me (in 2005)avoided that scenario. I am telling you, history will repeat itself. Cashman is just waiting until my birthday gets closer next week
Enjoyed the interview with Granderson on ESPN2. Interesting that the Yankees waited on an eye exam before finalizing the deal, concerned about the high strikeouts and routes to balls in the OF. Looking at the highlight films can one of you tell me if any Yankee OF’ers this past season made a leaping over the wall catch to rob a hitter of a homer? I can’t!!
Question. What kind of arm strength and accuracy does he have?
Now for a different take on a lineup scenario, especially facing righties, if Damon is resigned, or if the Yankees trade for DeJesus for LF:
Jeter 2B
Damon DH or DeJesus LF
Granderson CF
A-Rod 3B
Tex 1B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF[ if Damon signed-DH if trade for DeJesus]
Cabrera LF[if Damon resigned-RF if DeJesus traded for]
Interesting if the Lowell trade goes through. Spending 9M to send him away and what- another 6-7M for Beltre to play 3rd??
Granderson hitting fifth will be a disaster. Whoever is batting fifth protects A-rod. Late in games, A-rod will be walked, and they will bring in lefties to strikeout Granderson. You can not have a guy that strikes out that much, especially a lefty, protecting A-rod
Thank you to :
Erin 503
Hwang 515
Josh 515
L to the 2nd 517
vin 519
Ninja 521
…..no Melky !
“Increasing the speed of the negotiations has residual Matsui was expected to race. Car Racing “Indy 500″ The winter meetings are held at venues, to reinforce the success the Yankees had two consecutive days. ”
My head is going to explode.
(from tom in nj’s link).
Erica & Laura should both be happy by the holidays
Zolio
December 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Granderson hitting bottom in the order is a waste. He is fast and has power.
Hit him 5th behind A-Rod. That way, Posada’s DPs go down because Granderson has good speed. You also put Granderson ahead of RBI guys like Posada and Swisher.
Granderson hitting 6th-9th is a waste of his skill set.
He bat’s fifth behind arod that is going to take his stolen bases down, and he strikes out a lot so there going to pitch around A-Rod.. Know baseball..
Tom in NJ
December 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Japanese media, Sankei Sports reporting that the Yankees will likely offer free agent Hideki Matsui a one-year $7m deal by next week.
http://translate.google.com/tr…..&tl=en
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Woo hoo!! Tom, you’re just full of good news today, aren’t you?
Mets offer Bay 4 yrs., $60m. Basically the same thing BOS offered last summer that he rejected.
Yeah Omar, that’ll do. Stay up all night coming up with that one?
What a genius.
Nick,
I’m not doing the toerist route here.I was born in Gouda
But I wouldn’t recommend anyone visiting every cheese town in Europe…That will cost you at least a year
Roger(live from Gouda) December 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
You missed out Nick
Never heard of Gouda’s cheese?
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I heard it’s really good.
Batting Granderson behind A-Rod takes the bat out of A-Rod’s hands late in the game. Teams will walk A-Rod without thinking about it to put a lefty in there against Granderson. You need someone behind A-Rod that can give him protection against lefties AND righties.
DH Damon
RF Swisher
SS Jeter
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
C Posada
CF Granderson
2B Cano
LF Melky
Offering Matsui a one year deal means goodbye to Damon??
Hit Granderson 9th.
Have a 2nd guy in the leadoff spot with his speed. With Cano (.320 average) and Swisher (.370 OBP) ahead of him, he will have guys in front of him on base…
Have the switch-hitter Swisher and RH Jeter surrouding him so they can’t bring in a lefty.
Current Line-up
1. Jeter- SS
2. Swisher- RF
3. Teixeira- 1B
4. A-Rod- 3B
5. Granderson- CF
6. Posada- C
7. Cano- 2B
8. Cabrera- LF
9. Hoffman or Miranda- DH (Based on Match-ups)
Granderson would switch with Swisher against RHP. That line-up does not look as threatening as last year especially on days Pena, Gardner or Cervelli play. We could really use Damon and Matsui, in LF and DH.
Seeing all of these lineups makes me wish there was a game on. Who they would be playing is somewhat of a mystery though. lol
Brandon Lyon 15M for 3 years. Wow definitely overpaid!
Soriano to get 7M from Rays-non guaranteed!!
Thanks for that link, Tom, but the only foreign media I trust is Impacto Deportivo.
Yankee Trader, Thanks! you’re the first person to back up my Granderson batting #3. I don’t get why more people aren’t considering it.
L to the 2nd
December 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Soriano was traded to TB
Wagner & Saito signed with ATL
They’ll fill the role – just not with us
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You obviously missed the whole point of my post. Someone asked if I think 8th inning guys grow on trees.
My response was, they absolutely do.
Just this year alone, those guys plus others on the free agent market *COULD* be 8th inning guys for the Yankees
Look at my 5:44 post. Against righties, until Long works with Granderson, bat him 3rd and let Tex protect A-Rod at 5th.
Just a different thought not presented yet!
If Trevor Hoffmann or Miranda are in our lineups this year, I will cry.
Sorry JT-apparently I missed your post!
Tom in NJ’s link reminds me of last year”s article concerning the Yankees signing Manny Ramirez.
“The business is going!”
For more translation fun, google “backstroke of the west.” Hysterical (and rated PG)
Roger
have you heard of “old Amstrerdam” or “Prima donna” ? these may be the amercan names of these cheeses
Trader,
The problem with that is that you have back to back lefties in Damon and Granderson. Makes it easier for the manager to bring in a tough lefty, especially since Granderson can’t hit them consistently.
Also-Ran
December 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Well if the Yanks get Halladay without giving up Joba or Hughes, the one of them WILL be bumped from the rotation, regardless. Same if we get Sheets.
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The Yanks are not getting Halladay without giving up Joba or Hughes
roger, I highly recommend a visit to Dumplingville when you move to Hong Kong.
I say re-sign Damon and Matsui:
Jeter r
Damon l
Tex s
Alex r
Matsui l
Posada s
Granderson l
Cano l
Swisher r
OK, now that I’ve actually read the article and stopped gusihing over the headline, it doesn’t make any sense. But I still have hope.
Granderson did hit .259 against lefties in 2008.
That is a good point Rolex. Would have to weigh that against the benefits of it being the optimal, run-producing lineup – as that would only happen maybe once or twice a game. It is definitely a concern though.
edit: gushing, not gusihing
“The Yanks are not getting Halladay without giving up Joba or Hughes”
Agree. Toronto might as well take the Angels package instead of McAllister, Romine, and Dunn or something.
If we ultimately want the guy, it is going to cost us one of the big 2.
let’s go yanks -
I understood your post, and I actually agree with the point – it’s easier to find a 8th inning guy than a solid starter.
That said, you listed examples of guys as “free agents” that are clearly off the market.
Just sayin’
Rolex-
Damon is pretty decent against lefties. If a trade for lefty Dejesus is made, he hit lefties at a .290 clip. Sometimes you just can’t help having two lefties back to back, and hopefully by the time they bring in a lefty the Yankees will be clobbering the opposing team!!!!!
At this point I don’t like Posada or Cano or Granderson in the 5 spot, and don’t think Matsui is coming back, nor do I think they’ll cough up the $$$$$ for Holliday.
Granderson only steals 20-25 bases anyway, it’s not like this guy is Ellsbury or Ichiro. His speed can still be utilized at the bottom of the order. You can do hit and runs with Cano and others, with Granderson there.
“you’re the first person to back up my Granderson batting #3. I don’t get why more people aren’t considering it.”
Food for thought:
Based on last year’s stats…
Granderson had the lowest OBP and SLG percentages of the projected lineup (assuming Damon and Matsui re-sign).
Cano, the guy who never takes a walk, had a .025 higher OBP. Jeter, the only guy to not hit 20 (besides Melky) homeruns, had a 0.012 higher SLG%.
The top of the lineup should be occupied by the guys who make the fewest outs and slug the best. It’s Lineup Construction 101.
“Yankees pulling back on Halladay, re-focusing on back end of the rotation.”
http://twitter.com/BobKlap
Uncle Ellsworth
I know old amsterdammer but it’s not the same.Different city diffent cheese.
http://www.gouda-original.nl/G.....n/9592.jpg
Nick
What??
It’s easy to do it assuming Damon comes back, although Cano would probably bat 8th, not 9th. Hard part is what is it if the team does not make another move (0% chance of that):
Jeter SS
Cano 2B
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swisher RF
Miranda DH
Cabrera LF
Granderson cannot hit 5th. A-Rod will never see a pitch to hit late in games. Even an awful lefty like Billy Traber will be brought in to get him out.
I don’t know where to put him. Perhaps 6th, between Posada and Swisher. Can you put him and Cano back to back being lefties?
You know Girardi hates stacking lefties. It will be interesting to see how he configures his lineup.
“Different city diffent cheese.”
Those are words to live by.
Smoked Gouda is very nice.
I see a lot of people seem to think we’ll be getting 2007 Granderson…
It takes more than home runs to hit 5th.
And putting him 3rd and moving Tex and A-Rod down is ridiculous.
Hideki Matsui
OR
wait for it….
Carlos Delgado will be hitting in the 5 spot for the Yanks in 2009
““Yankees pulling back on Halladay, re-focusing on back end of the rotation.”
http://twitter.com/BobKlap”
Good. Get Sheets and keep the kids.
2010 my bad
John Lackey
Jack
December 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
“The Yanks are not getting Halladay without giving up Joba or Hughes”
Agree. Toronto might as well take the Angels package instead of McAllister, Romine, and Dunn or something.
If we ultimately want the guy, it is going to cost us one of the big 2.
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Ultimately ?
….if he goes anywhere without a re-sign….he’s a FA after 2010 ?
Yes / No ?
I think Granderson essentially takes Melky’s spot in the lineup (9th), sandwiched around Cano (L), Swisher (S), and Jeter (R).
Nothing higher than 6th seems to make sense – esp if you bring back Matsui & Damon.
As for Halladay, makes sense for them to pull back & go after a back end guy (Sheets?). If TOR keeps asking for Joba, Hughes or Montero, Cash should have 2 words for them…
Pound sand (or insert your own).
Check out this cool Yankee commercial from the 1970s:
http://www.retrojunk.com/details_commercial/2639/
Joba just reminds me of The Goose…Has for some time
If Matsui is a goner, Delgado for DH?
That could work.
WPIX-TV…..”11Alive”
Thankx Todd !!!
You are welcome UpState
I love that commercial,it’s short,but brings back memories!!
Apparently the Yankees are talking to Boras about Damon, but doubt a move will be made until after the nontender deadline on the 12th, to see whose added to the FA list.
Boo on pulling back from Halladay……
SJ, did the Yanks really dangle Joba?
what number should Lackey wear for the Bombers?
Unless Granderson bats 9th, he’s going to move around in the lineup depending on wheter a righty or a lefty is pitching. The Tigers left him in one spot and ultimately paid the price.
And against a righty, you can’t bat him in the middle of the lineup, because they’ll bring in a lefty to face him in the 6th or the seventh in a crucial situation, and you’ll end up with Brett Gardner or Jamie Hoffman finishing out the game in the middle of the lineup.
Of course, until we know who the LF and the DH is, you can’t really speculate anyway.
If Damon doesn’t sign, I see CG as batting second against righties, 9th against lefties until such time as he shows he can hit lefties.
There is only minor league hitter with Cabrera potential and that is Montero.
Yet, the maroons on this board continue to drool over Halladay, knowing full well Montero is part of the deal. At the same time Lackey is on the table! Lackey has a set of grapefruits between his legs, people.
Granderson 9th? I don’t think so
Actually Jeter’s best slot is No. 2 and the only reason he batted leadoff in 2009 was Girardi’s unwilingness to bat two righties back-to-back (Jeter-ARod). Now that ARod seems to be handling his RISP situations much better…and they sign Damon…….
Damon DH
Jeter ss
Tex 1B
ARod 3b
Posada c
Granderson CF
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Melky…or a LF still be be acquired
If Granderson continues to have trouble w/ lefties he’ll sit
against lefties for Hoffman (if he hits in Spring) or another LFer to be acquired (Melky moving to CF in those situations)
With Granderson on board, Gardner is now expendable. Where does he go and what do they get in return?
Hairston is an ideal Utilityman for this team. Do they nickle/dime him? (like Cairo and others) or will they sign him?
I’d still sign Matsui instead of Damon, have Kevin Long teach Granderson plate discipline so he could bat in the No. 1 slot, and trade for/sign a solid corner OFer
Letting Damon go elsewhere and bringing Matsui back for cheaper and signing Holliday makes the most sense to me.
Jeter – R
Granderson – L
Teixeira – S
Rodriguez – R
Matsui – L
Holliday – R
Posada – S
Swisher – S
Cano – L
Try maneuvering that mix as an opposing pitcher / manager.
Greatest Ever – 90. Because that is how many games Lackey will win for us over his 5 yr contract.
If we bring back Damon, slot Curtis between Jorge and Swisher. At least he will have some RH protection surrounding him. Though a manager will probably just bring in a lefty to switch both around and try and get all 3 lefties out.
lackey should wear #100 (as in $100M which is what he’s aslking) or #0 (the possibility that the yankees will pay him $100M!)
Coreys is the lineup I want but that lineup can’t happen without raising the payroll unfortunately.
My lineup suggestion is based on guys that we have signed so no Sui no Elvis(please go already)
R-Jeet-SS
L-Cano-2B(best fastball hitter on team)
S-Tex-1B
R-ARod-3B
S-Posada-C
L-Miranda-DH
S-Swish-RF
L-Grandy-CF
S-Melky-LF
the righties and lefties are broken up by the switches and the power/obp guys are stacked 1-7…Grandy
Whats the payroll currently at with the pay raises + pettitte + granderson…anyone know?
It was what, $172MM with raises…so + $11.5MM for Pettitte, + $5.5MM for Granderson, + $8MM for Matsui, + $18MM for Holliday, + $5MM for Duchscherer
…Minus Bruney, Kennedy & Coke’s salaries……they would sit at $217MM….only $4MM more than their 2009 payroll which was $208MM but bounced up to $213MM after Pettittes incentives…..Then they could move Melky Cabrera in a trade and drop it down another $1.4MM to $215.5, only $2MM more than 2009…….
Is my Math wrong?
Cano batting 9th behind Melky? Are you retarded, sir?
Corey, nah your math is about right but that is and increase and they day they want to decrease. Hey I’m all for it but I’m not writing the checks.
well blake, they could do what I said and trade swisher instead of melky….and have a lower payroll than they had in 2009. lol
corey – bat holliday 6th. hilarious.
vin – “based on last years stats” you can stop right there. never base ANYTHING on last years stats.
i don’t understand why you are all so enamored with matsui. his contract is over, he’s gone. he’s a GIDP machine, and who knows how long his knees will hold up this time. we got away with one last year with matsui, don’t expect that to hold up.
same with damon, by some miracle we kept his hammy’s in check all season last year, why are we going to sign ourselves up for that again?
expect to see a DH signed, with melky in left. signing a LF would mean we still need to sign a DH. pointless.
Yea they could. I’m one of the few in this blog who are for signing Holliday. I think he’s perfect for what their needs are and I don’t think he will cost as much as people think.. However I think the only way Cash goes after him is if he decides all the pitching is too expensive
Why is batting Holliday 6th “Hilarious”…..Hell I’d bat him 2nd instead of Granderson
Corey another thing you could do is bat Holliday 5th and flip arod and Tex. Hit Alex 3rd, Tex 4th. This keeps the lefty right in order. Matsui could hit behind holliday in our dream scenerio.
why all this talk about moving melky to left with swisher in right? Melky is a natural right fielder – cannon arm, good mobility. All he has to do it begin to hit like a right fielder……and swisher has played some left and, instead of turning the wrong way on half the fly balls hit over his head, would be a better left fielder than he is in right.
Melky is, believe it or not, a key to the outfield. Bernie W. had, at age 24, the same stats that Melky had this season…..and I’d wager there’s a 30-40% chance melky makes a big offensive jump in ‘10…..
corey it’s hilarious because you don’t pay someone $100mil to bat 6th and have 75-100 less at bats than your top 4 guys. its the same reason that moving tex/arod back a slot is a dumb idea.
In other words.
Jeter
Granderson
Arod
Tex
Holliday
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Melky
That’s a lineup to be reckoned with but I just don’t see it coming to pass. Hope I’m wrong
In other words.
Jeter
Granderson
Arod
Tex
Holliday
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Melky
That’s a lineup to be reckoned with but I just don’t see it coming to pass. Hope I’m wrong
Just realized I have ten hitters in that lineup. Remove either swisher or melky.
Vin, I didn’t realize Granderson’s SLG was that low. I still think its the right spot for him though. And presumably, both his AVG (and therefore OBP) and SLG would go up batting in front of ARod and Tex, due to seeing better pitches to hit.
His SLG will also go up in Yankee Stadium.
There is no way Cano bats behind Melky. That’s just silly.
Cano 9th? Really? C’mon man!
I love that Sam acknowledges the Line-up contest in the forums, nice. I have never taken part, but love that he mentioned it.
And post-season Swish was horrible. Geez Swish. Maybe he’ll pull an A-Rod next year and break out.
Swish struggled but he got a huge hit in game 6 of the ALCS and was instrumental in game 3 of the World Series.
i havent been on these boards in a while, but im just wondering why cano would bat 9th? and personally i wish they would resign matsui and plug him in the 5 hole and put grandy in the 2 hole. mvp? or a guy who got worse in the 2nd half? neither can play of anymore, but id rather have the hr production in 5 hole
“Just realized I have ten hitters in that lineup. Remove either swisher or melky.”
remove holliday, im not a fan of him. its well known that his numbers were inflated in colorado. not saying he stinks, but not worth the yankees going after. id rather see them pursue lackey first. get that 4th starter, finally let hughes take the 5th spot aned stick joba to the pen where he belongs
Cano never, ever bats 9th. Makes no sense.
As is (w/o Damon or Matsui):
Granderson-L
Jeter-R
Teixeira-S
Rodriguez-R
Posada-S
Cano-L
Swisher-S
Miranda-L (DH)
Cabrera-S
w/Damon:
Jeter-R
Damon-L (DH)
Teixeira-S
Rodriguez-R
Posada-S
Granderson-L
Cano-L
Swisher-S
Cabrera-S (LF)
w/Damon and Matsui:
Jeter-R
Damon-L (LF)
Teixeira-S
Rodriguez-R
Matsui-L (DH)
Posada-S
Granderson-L
Cano-L
Swisher-S
The last line up is my preference however unlikely.
grandy maybe?
jeter
cano deserves it
arod
teix can still rack up rbis here
posada
matsui
derosa
swisher
Craig S, I hope you are right. Could you imagine how awesome it would be if Melky becomes the next Bernie! Cash$$$ would be the man in my book for not trading him in 2007, releasing him in 2008 and sticking with him in 2009.
Derek, Damon, Mark, Garrison, Alex, Cano, Matsui, Melky
Hey! I found this article on the web. Do you think A-Rod is capable of this. I know Joe Torre does. Using women like Madonna and Kate Hudson to help their careers as well as his, pretending to be dating them when he is not?
Kate Hudson reps have denied that she is dating Alex Rodriguez. Alex Rodriguez has not confirmed he is dating Kate Hudson. Tabloids and Entertainment Shows have repeatedly stated that the two are dating but neither of them has confirmed that they are dating.
A year prior to the rumors of Kate Hudson and Alex Rodriguez, A-Rod was being linked to dating the hit wonder Madonna and although his wife states infidelity with many women, Madonna was being targeted for breaking up his marriage. It was said that he was so in love with Madonna he was getting a divorce. Madonna denied the two were dating. Alex Rodriguez made “no comment.” The rumor of A-Rod and Madonna went on for months. Until January 2009, Alex Rodriguez appeared on a magazine and stated they were just friends. At that point the rumors died down.
In May 2009, the rumors of Alex Rodriguez dating Kate Hudson started surfacing. These rumors were fueled by her appearance at many Yankees games and although the Internet and Tabloids speaks of accounts of them being spotted together mirroring the accounts of him and Madonna being spotted together a year ago, even down to the fake pictures, the rumors continue to soar. At one point both vehemently denied they were dating; yet, the rumors continued.
Until Kate Hudson, appeared in Bazaar Magazine January 2010 issue and there is no mentioning of dating Alex Rodriguez. Everybody “under the sun” has said Kate Hudson and Alex Rodriguez are dating but the two of them has not confirmed the dating. There were accounts of them together in London, with only prompt pictures at an airport of the two of them at separate terminals for verification. When Alex Rodriguez is believed to have been in Dominic Republic. There were prompt pictures of him leaving a gym with her at a car and him on the sidewalk Thanksgiving Day. When Alex Rodriguez is believed to have been in Miami with his two daughters. The fake pictures go on and on.
Since the interview rumors about Kate Hudson end Alex Rodriguez has quieted down. There were fake pictures of him at the New York Nine Premiere sitting in the back of a car with Kate driving but yet he did not attend the premiere with her. He was said to be at the London Premiere sitting in the limousine until the premiere was over. Alex Rodriguez and Kate Hudson attended the American Music Awards but separate. He was even spotted hanging out at the Lakers game without Kate Hudson. Let the media tell it they want their relationship to remain a secret. Then why is it all over the Internet and the Television? They are two single people, secret why? Things have quieted down.
Are these rumors staged so stars whose careers are slumping can rebuild their career? We know Kate Hudson career was slumping, until the movie Nine. We know Alex Rodriguez admitted to steroids in March 2009 and needed something to take the focus off his steroids use. Was the Kate Hudson and Alex Rodriguez rumor beneficial to the both of them? We know that Madonna was getting ready to come out with a concert and had not in years. Are Americans that cynical and stupid that we buy into these rumors?