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Rule 5 draft

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Add a new name to the rumor list. Not 30 seconds after another club official told me he thought the Yankees were going to take Zach Kroenke with the first overall pick, Joel Sherman is reporting that Dodgers outfielder Jamie Hoffmann will be the Yankees choice in the Rule 5.

Hoffmann’s minor league career has been more or less split between center field and right field. He hit .282/.390/.553 against left-handed pitchers last season in Triple-A and got a little bit of time with the big league club. His splits against right-handers are actually pretty good as well. He was taken off the Dodgers 40-man roster on September 1 when the Dodgers made a series of call-ups and activated Jon Garland.

UPDATE, 9:05 p.m.: Jamie Hoffmann is officially the first pick.

UPDATE, 9:07 p.m.: Back to back lefties with the third and fourth picks, Ben Snyder and Edgar Osuna. Not Zach Kroenke, kind of surprising.

UPDATE, 9:08 p.m.: There’s Kroenke. The Diamondbacks just took Zach Kroenke with the fifth pick.

UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: Padres pass. Could have taken a pick but chose not to. Really Padres? You’re all set? Not worth the risk?

UPDATE, 9:10 p.m.: Brewers took pitcher Chuck Lofgren from the Indians. I’ve seen him quite a bit.

UPDATE, 9:11 p.m.: Second Yankee taken. Seattle just took Kanekoa Texeira, the guy the Yankees got in the Swisher trade.

UPDATE, 9:14 p.m.: Boston passed.

UPDATE, 9:15 p.m.: Yankees passed on their official pick.

UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Major league phase is over. No team selected in the second round. Kroenke and Texeira were the only Yankees taken.

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Hoffmann wasn’t getting much buzz coming into the draft. In fact, I don’t think he was getting any buzz coming into the draft. But he hits left-handed pitching and that seems to be what makes him so appealing to the Yankees. Right now he’s hitting just .235 in the Dominican Winter League, but against lefties he’s hitting .368 with a .478 on-base percentage. He doesn’t seem to have Brett Gardner-type speed, but he can steal a bag.

Basically, he could play a role off the bench, and that means he has a chance to stick on the big league roster. It’s not an all-or-nothing pick — the Yankees could have taken a big young arm or some other wild card — but Hoffmann is pretty much big league ready. As far as the Rule 5 goes, it’s a pretty safe pick.

 
 

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165 Responses to “Rule 5 draft”

  1. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    That’s got to be for someone else. He sucks, and he’s righty hitter without 1b power.

  2. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Who’d we take?

  3. AndrewYF December 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Looks like a decent 5th outfielder, some patience and power off the bench. Did the Dodgers really not have a use for him?

  4. jennifer December 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    amie Hoffman

  5. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    If he can hit lefties and play all three spots, we might be trading Melky.

  6. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    kroenke’s gone

  7. 86w183 December 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Anyone in the Rule 5 draft is going to be flawed. Yanks could get an extra OF option with Hoffman, which might be an indication that Melky or Gardie is a potential trade piece.

  8. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    texeira gone

  9. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am

    wow, that’s it?

  10. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    we didn’t lose curtis, duff or whelan.

  11. Erin December 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: Padres pass. Could have taken a pick but chose not to. Really Padres? You’re all set? Not worth the risk?
    ******************
    LOL

  12. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=52034

    Red Sox fan’s reaction to the curtis granderson trade (pure gold)

  13. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    padres are waiting to claim a yankee on waivers lol

  14. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    padres are waiting to claim a yankee on waivers lol

  15. disco stu December 10th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Hoffman’s combined 2009 numbers (both AA and AAA) are eeriy similar to what Austin Jackson put up … .291 avg / 10 HR / 64 RBI / 69 runs / 358 AB / 104 hits – including 23 doubles and 5 triples. Nice OBP – .390 – shows he can take his walks and he doesnt strikout nearly as much as Jackson did … only 55 strikeouts.

    Maybe that is what the Yankees were thinking … replace Jackson at the AAA level with Hoffman and if he continues to improve and make it the ML, then we have essentially the same type of cost-controlled player that can help us out for the long term.

  16. murphydog December 10th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    “If he can hit lefties and play all three spots, we might be trading Melky.”

    The Hoff isn’t turing into gold anytime soon. He was designated for assignment in September by the LA Trolley Dodgers. I don’t think Melky is in any danger.

  17. Tom December 10th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    The team had great chemistry this past year, they all loved Melky, Damon, Swish. What is 2 or 3 of them are shown the door, that disrupts what they had. I hope Cashman is careful. He’s always thinking anyway so – faith in Cash !

  18. Doreen December 10th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Could someone refresh my memory, please? If a player is taken in the Rule 5 draft, does it mean they have to be on the ML roster or they get sent back? Or, again, am I getting this confused with something else?

  19. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Melky isn’t getting replaced by a Rule 5 guy.

  20. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    He has to stay on the ML roster all year or be traded for or sent back to the Dodgers.

  21. KW December 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Melky might be getting replaced, he’s arbitration eligible and doesn’t put up enough production to justify a pay raise, not for his role anyway.

  22. Bronx Jeers December 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Somewhere Shelly Duncan sighs.

  23. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    Wow, what is so difficult to understand about the fact that we have a NEW CF and now have our two 2009 CF’s without regular positions? Melky’s coming up on a pay raise, and might be tradebait unless you really believe the Yanks see him as their starting LF.

  24. yanksince57 - FINALLY!!! December 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    but gardner might be :)

  25. Chris December 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    “Gardner Speed” That cracks me up because the only memories I have of Gardner’s speed is him getting throw out every time we actually needed the bag swiped.

  26. Boston Dave December 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Gardner might be on his way to KC via trade

  27. tom tresh 15 December 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Lets get this straight, The Bosox are interested in Milton Bradley? They let Manny go. Even the Sox fans are comparing him to Carl Everett.

    Dont know if it is smoke or not, but it does not make sense.And are paying someone to take Mike Lowell?

  28. Doreen December 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Phil -

    Thanks. So, is that the 40-man, which means they can play in the minor league system, or does it have to be on the 25-man? And are they allowed to trade this player? Or does keep mean “keep”?

  29. Greg December 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    if Damon comes back, Melk-man is gone

  30. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I think that if Hoffman sticks with the club through spring then it’s likely that Garder is the odd man out instead of Melky (barring another major pickup) – remember, Hoffman can’t be sent down without being offered back to the Dodgers first.

    As for the pitchers the Yankees lost – I think Texiera was passed on the depth chart by guys like Nova and Romulo Sanchez and as for Kreonke – well he was returned to the Yankees last year, let’s hope it happens again. I guess Arizona looks at it and figures – well now we got Ian Kennedy, Edwin Jackson and Zach Kroenke for Scherzer and Schlereth.

    Love the Soriano trade from Tampa’s point of view. They were killed by not having a closer last year and this should fix that pretty substantially.

    Also liked the Millwood trade for Baltimore. He’s not an ace by any stretch but he’s what they need, a veteran workhorse who can help with the kids in the rotation. I look at it the same way Detroit benefited by bringing in Kenny Rogers to lead their young staff of Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson.

    The Red Sox just sent Mike Lowell and cash to Texas for catcher Max Ramirez – my guess is that they move Youk to 3rd, V-Mart to first and have Ramirez and Varitek split behind the plate. Good deal for them.

  31. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Where does this Gardner trade to KC come from??

  32. Jonathan December 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    So, barring some trade or Free Agent signing, it looks like our outfield will be Swish, Granderson, Melky, Gardner & Hoffann. Is Giardi going to be able to find playing time for all five (mainly, the last three)?

  33. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am

    “Gardner Speed” That cracks me up because the only memories I have of Gardner’s speed is him getting throw out every time we actually needed the bag swiped”
    ————————————————

    most every memory i have of Gardner, is successfully stealing a base. Kinda like in real life

  34. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Doreen,

    It’s the 25.

  35. Erin December 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    roger(live from Amsterdam)
    December 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
    Where does this Gardner trade to KC come from??

    **********************
    roger, supposedly KC called and asked about Gardner’s availability.

  36. raymagnetic December 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Why do so many people think Melky is in for some huge pay raise?

    He made 1.4 million last year, and if you believe Fangraphs he was worth much more than that. He isn’t getting a gigantic pay raise.

    If he were due a huge raise why would any team trade for him anyway?

  37. Stan December 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    I don’t really get this move. Hoffman was getting no buzz like Chad said and I’d bet he would have fallen to us had we waited to take him with out official pick. I’m not saying Kroenke will turn out to be the next Johan or anything, I just never like to lose useful left arms when we don’t have to.

  38. Will December 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Good deal for Boston? They just sent $9mn to Texas so Lowell can play for them, while getting a platoon catcher in return. Between Lowell and Lugo, Theo is playing $17mn to players on other teamsin. Think they could use that money elsewhere?

  39. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Melky needs to be traded, not Gardner. Melky does not hit sufficient for a corner outfielder. While Brett Gardner has the ideal skill set for a 4th OF’er

  40. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    edit: if someone HAS to be traded

  41. Bronx Jeers December 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Red Sox signed Boof Bonser.

    Cool.

  42. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Asking about someone’s availability doesn’t mean a trade is in the offering.

    The Sox will probably make a play for Adrian Beltre to play third if they can’t acquire a first baseman.

    If they get a first baseman, Youk will move to third.

    One of the big reasons the Sox can’t do much this off-season is because they have too much dead money on the books.

    For the fans on here that cry daily for Cashman to “eat money” on certain players, you now see why he won’t. It only adds to your problems.

    With the Sox eating another big chunk of change on Mike Lowell’s deal, it only makes it tougher for them to fill the holes on their roster.

  43. Just call me Mr. Clutch December 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Red Sox are pulling out all the stops! They picked up Boof Bonser after he was DFA’d.

  44. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    raymagnetic,

    he’s get a big pay raise relative to what he’s making now. 1.4 to 2M is a big raise, especially if he’s going to play less.

  45. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Dan Shaughnessy taking it to the Sox:

    “The Sox have the dough to sign Matt Holliday or Jason Bay. Just like they had the money to bag Mark Teixeira last winter. But they keep getting beaten by the Yankees and then they cry about it.

    Stop. It’s hideous of the Sox and their fans to complain about the Yankees buying championships. Sure, the Yanks can afford Teixeira, CC Sabathia, and A.J. Burnett, just like the Sox were able to afford Matsuzaka and Drew. The Sox got Curt Schilling and Victor Martinez the same way the Yankees got Curtis Granderson this week. The Sox are not the Pirates. They are not the Brewers or the A’s. The Sox are Haves, not Have-Nots. Like the Yankees, the Sox are happy to raid the rosters of teams that can’t afford high-priced talent”

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ox_bridge/

  46. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    vinny

    really??melky can play all 3 positions very well while Gardner can only play CF….

    +Melky is by far a better player then Gardner is and Melky is even younger then him

  47. vito b December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    vinny-b I believe he was talking about brett getting thrown out twice by the Angels in the ALCS, which I guess discounts the other 30 steals he had throughout the season.

  48. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    “Red Sox signed Boof Bonser”
    ——————————–

    does anyone have a dorkier name in baseball? Ideal fit

  49. Doreen December 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Thanks, Phil. Appreciate it. :)

  50. CR9 December 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    “Francona said moving Lowell to first base could actually increase the stress on his surgically repaired right hip, since it would introduce a whole different set of movements at a new position.”

    This is what the Rangers decided was in their best interest. If you look at it from another perspective, if the Sox ate 8-9 million, then the Rangers got their DH for 3-4 million, significantly less than Matsui or Frankentstein.

    I’d be surprised if Lowell even plays 60 games in the field next season, given his hip, added with the Texas heat.

  51. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Good deal for Boston? They just sent $9mn to Texas so Lowell can play for them, while getting a platoon catcher in return. Between Lowell and Lugo, Theo is playing $17mn to players on other teamsin. Think they could use that money elsewhere?

    Will – money aside, it’s still a good deal for Boston. With Lowell’s injuries Boston couldn’t count on him. Now they can move Youk to third where he’s very good defensively, they can move Martinez out from behind the dish (where he’s not very good defensively) and they get another young catcher in the system.

    I have absolutely NO idea what Texas is thinking by the way. Between Lowell, Harden, Ray (obtained for Millwood) and Josh Hamilton they have a team that is invested in a lot of injury prone guys.

    KC is supposedly very hot after Gardner and it could lead to me getting part of my wish with the Yankees obtaining David DeJesus in return.

  52. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    “Melky is by far a better player then Gardner is and Melky is even younger then him”
    —————————————

    my man Roger: I agree Melky is the better starter (right now at least). However, my point is as a corner outfielder Melky is not a sufficient starter. And Brett Gardner trumps him as a 4th outfielder due to skill set.

  53. raymagnetic December 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Gardner had 26 steals and was caught 5 times. That isn’t a great success rate for a guy whose main weapon is his speed.

    Yankee fans are the only ones who think Gardner is anything more than a pinch runner.

    The legend of Brett Gardner grows daily around here.

  54. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    “vinny-b I believe he was talking about brett getting thrown out twice by the Angels in the ALCS, which I guess discounts the other 30 steals he had throughout the season”
    ———————————————

    yes. Even tho Brett was like 29/30 what does that matter? :)

  55. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    “The legend of Brett Gardner grows daily around here”
    —————————————————

    yup

  56. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    What’s happening in the minor league portion of the rule 5?

  57. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    The Sox will probably make a play for Adrian Beltre to play third if they can’t acquire a first baseman.

    Why? Youk is very good defensively at 3b and for years everyone has agreed that Victor Martinez is better suited for 1b than he is for C. They can split C between Varitek and Ramirez and focus on their pen and OF.

  58. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    They aren’t moving Martinez from behind the plate. That would mean Varitek catches everyday and they don’t want that.

    Max Ramirez is a horrible defensive catcher. He’s more a DH type.

    Its a bad deal for the Sox in the sense that they add to their dead money issues. That impacts who they can go after in the marketplace.

    This is what happens when you tie up your money on guys you no longer have. The Yankees have gone through similar stages and its not pretty.

  59. roger(live from Amsterdam) December 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Vinny

    But shouldn’t a 4th outfielder be able to play all 3 positions??

    Besides..if the Yankees sign Damon then Melky would have enough playing time in RF(when Swisher DH) or LF(when Damon DH)

  60. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    They aren’t using Varitek and Ramirez behind the plate. Both guys are horrible defensive catchers.

    If the Sox do that, they are a third place team.

  61. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    It’s possible, though maybe not probable, that if Gardner is traded to KC as part of a deal for DeJesus that the Yankees will play Melky in RF and move Swisher to full-time DH and use Hoffman as the 4th outfielder.

    That would be a very good defensive OF and because of the offensive production of Granderson in CF you can live with a little less offense out of the RF position.

  62. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    roger: who told you Gardner is not capable of playing LF or RF?

  63. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Nick Swisher is not going to be the fulltime DH on this team. That has no chance of happening.

  64. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    “That would be a very good defensive OF and because of the offensive production of Granderson in CF you can live with a little less offense out of the RF position”
    —————————————–

    chip: that would be a damm good OF. Melky/Granderson/DeJesus with Swisher at the DH? I could live with this

  65. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    edit: defensive outfield

  66. Just call me Mr. Clutch December 10th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    I understand that having deals on your payroll can hurt your flexibility in other matters, but in the Red Sox case, they seem to have plenty of room on their payroll to cover a decent portion of that along with making some key signings.

    Look at last season. Penny, Smoltz for lower cost try outs. Missing out on Teixeira over essentially low cost over the years for what he would bring (not taking into account that Teixeira might have just not wanted to play for them). Talk about trading Papelbon because of higher paychecks going to him.

    Henry talking quite a bit like you would hear from a small market team. Tito talking about the Yankees spending.

    I am convinced there are financial problems within that organization that aren’t being talked about. It could be that the owners are feeling the pinch too much and not wanting to reinvest in the team over taking more profit to cover their own debts.

    They keep “improving” Fenway to get more seats in for upping ticket sales. They have raised prices a good deal as well.

    Looking at some of the moves they are making and NOT making, point to fiscal constraints. Boof? Yeah, real difference maker. Talk about this being a bridge year?

    Holding off on offering Bay close to the deal he wanted, and Holliday is being looked at. Halladay – not wanting to offer Buchholz and Kelly, despite neither being proven in any real way for a very top line pitcher.

    The Angels are showing some signs of similar things going on.

    Its not that they aren’t spending, but look at what they are trying to do on the cheap rather than paying a bit more for a more proven comodity.

  67. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    They aren’t using Varitek and Ramirez behind the plate. Both guys are horrible defensive catchers.

    So’s Victor Martinez.

    And it’s also possible they still pick up another catcher – there are a few out there and probably will be more soon with the non-tenders yet to be announced.

  68. wallypip December 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Melky will not be the everyday leftfielder. Everyone needs to get over that. He currently has trade value as a switch hitting CF with a RF arm. There are teams that will trade for that. If not, he’ll compete with Gardner and Hoffman. for one of the last spots on the roster. Someone who can actually hit will be starting in LF.

    BTW, it should be noted that the Dodgers are outfield heavy, so Hoffman was probably blocked out there.

  69. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Nick Swisher is not going to be the fulltime DH on this team. That has no chance of happening.

    And why is that?

  70. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    ‘who told you Gardner is not capable of playing LF or RF?’

    Vinny,his arm told me

  71. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    SJ44 is probably right. Nick Swisher does not seem like the DH type (read: energy). And IMO he is too valuable to this team’s makeup to trade. Nick Swisher is the RF’er

  72. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    chip: that would be a damm good OF. Melky/Granderson/DeJesus with Swisher at the DH? I could live with this

    I think the Yankees could too. They might lose a touch of offense going from Damon and Matsui to DeJesus and Granderson but not much and they’ll certainly gain in outfield defense and be much younger.

    Swisher at DH makes a ton of sense – he’s not better than any of the three outfielders in my scenario but he’s still good enough that he can play out there on a day when someone needs a rest or if Melky regresses to his 2008 form offensively.

  73. Virginia Yank December 10th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    It seems to me that Hoffman was selected due to the fact he hits lefties well. That would make him a good platoon partner with our new starting center fielder, who is Granderson.

  74. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Here’s one under the radar…

    Gardner and Joba for Royals for Zack Grienke.

    Don’t laugh–let it percolate a bit. Perhaps ask what else the Yanks can add to make it a reality. Just came to me as the Royals were asking about Gardner.

    Not sure if Grienke can handle NYY. Brings Joba closer to Nebraska.

  75. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    It seems to me that Hoffman was selected due to the fact he hits lefties well. That would make him a good platoon partner with our new starting center fielder, who is Granderson.

    Granderson wasn’t brought in to be a platoon player. He’s going to play everyday and the Yankees will hope that he can turn around his splits.

  76. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Chip,

    If the Boston Red Sox, a big market franchise, needs to go the non-tender route to round out their roster, while charging sky high ticket prices, their fans will riot.

    Victor Martinez is the everyday catcher, with Varitek backing him up. That’s a big weakness in the AL East defensively. At least Martinez can still hit.

    If they sign Beltre to play third, he’s ok, not great offensively, excellent defensively.

    Marco Scutaro is a utility infielder who had a career year last year. He’s nothing special and he has chronic foot problems.

    Its a roster with parts that don’t fit right now and going the non-tender route isn’t going to help them.

    They should have anted up and sign Tex last off-season. Not doing that has really hurt them.

  77. Frank G December 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Hoffman doesn’t seem like equal value to a proven major league pitcher like Bruney. Didn’t he pass thru waivers earlier this month? Why didn’t the Yankess grab him then?

  78. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    “Vinny,his arm told m”
    ————————–

    roger: again, my debate is for the 4th OF’er spot. It comes down to what you value from a 4th OF’er. I would rather have 10/10 speed and sacrifice a weak arm. As opposed to the opposite

  79. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    “Gardner and Joba for Royals for Zack Grienke
    Don’t laugh”
    ——————————

    too late. I already did

  80. Josh December 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    When Chip gets on here and starts his usual inane drivel, that’s when I get off.

  81. NYYROC December 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I disagree about Gardner. When he came up for “a cup of coffee” with the NYY in 2008 he played LF. I was at the July 4th game when he threw out Pedroia at 2B trying to stretch a single into a double. BG has a LF arm.

  82. Just call me Mr. Clutch December 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    8:33am: Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. had this to say to Scott Lauber about acquiring Halladay: “I don’t think there’s any likeliness. None.”
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....rsday.html
    __________

    The number of clubs interested and that supposedly Halladay would accept a trade to is shrinking.

    What will really be interesting is if Halladay would stick to his word that he wouldn’t waive his NTC if he wasn’t traded before Spring Training started.

    I know the argument is that what player wouldn’t go to a contender even if it meant after the season started, but there are some players who just don’t like the idea of making a move they don’t have to make. Halladay didn’t seem all that happy about the last season constant questioning about him playing elsewhere.

    If the Angels do end up signing Lackey, does that make them more or less likely to go after Halladay as a rental?

  83. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Halladay should stick to his word.

  84. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    If the Boston Red Sox, a big market franchise, needs to go the non-tender route to round out their roster, while charging sky high ticket prices, their fans will riot.

    No they won’t. Non-tenders have been pretty good to Boston over the years:

    Tim Wakefield, David Ortiz, Takashi Saito just to name a few.

    I think you make far too big a deal out of non-tenders or DFA’s. There have been lots of good players who have been non-tendered or DFA’d by one team and wind up doing very well for other teams.

    Ortiz, Wakefield, Brandon Phillips, Russ Branyan, Jack Cust, Carlos Pena (who was DFA’d by the Tigers, Yankees, and Red Sox in one season before catching on with Tampa), David Aardsma…

  85. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    The Royals have no interest in trading Greinke. He’s signed for another 2 years at a comfortable salary for KC.

    They wouldn’t even think of trading him for anything less than 4 A List prospects.

    Chip,

    Several reasons why they won’t DH Swisher full-time.

    1. He’s an under-30 still functional everyday player. Those guys don’t move to be DH’s.

    2. He’s never DH’ed before in his life. Some guys just don’t take to it. A high energy guy like Nick? Very tough to take to it.

    3. The Yankees don’t have to DH Swisher. There are plenty of guys on the market right now and they will eventually sign one of them when the prices come down.

    Everyday you come on here trying to re-invent the wheel.

    You don’t have to do that. The Yankees will eventually fill out their roster with guys who can actually play and do it at their price.

    Such is the benefit of having a flooded market of DH types with little or no offers to date.

  86. EL Duque December 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    This Forum is full of Brett Gardner haters!

    Erverytime somebody writes something about him! ten other people destroy him! Poor Gardi! I´m a big Gardner Fan and will stic with him till the end!

  87. Virginia Yank December 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    “Granderson wasn’t brought in to be a platoon player. He’s going to play everyday and the Yankees will hope that he can turn around his splits.”

    Good point Chip,you’re probably right on that one. Maybe he’s insurance, his strength against lefties stands out considering Granderson’s weakness. Otherwise, we have so much outfield depth, there must be something to this pick.

  88. Betsy -high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    SJ, when you put it like that – Theo having to ask his owner to literally burn $12 million, well that doesn’t look good. That’s a lot of moolah to be paying to get someone off your team……

    Also, your points re: the Yankees being in strong position are very well-taken. My feelings about Doc have no bearing on the job I think Cash has done. I’ve always been a Cash supporter and I think he’s had a wonderful off-season so far. I do think Mark in Tampa (I think it was Mark – if not, sorry!) made a good point in terms of Cash waiting out the pitching. The Yankees do not appear to be overly interested in Lackey, so the only guy out there that can really help the team as far as SP goes is Sheets. I know they love him – and they are supposed to meet with Casey Close shortly. After Sheets (and a bunch of teams are interested), where do they go?

    As to Granderson, he does have to be careful not to become too pull happy, but I’m sure he’s a hard worker and willing to listen. He’ll probably become one of Kevin Long’s best pupils. I’m really excited about getting to know him. I’ve seen Tiger fans pop up on other boards, expressing how disappointed they are to lose him and how lucky Yankee fans are. That’s a rare player that can get fans to do that….

  89. CR9 December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    The Royals are hot on Brett Gardner.

    Is that code for the Royals are trying to lose?

    That’s a joke by the way.

  90. wallypip December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Granderson may not be put into a straight platoon, but you can bet that he’ll get his days off against lefties. A guy who can play CF who can hit lefties would be a good asset to this team.

  91. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Back to Grienke for a minute. The guy just won the Cy Young, and he’s in arb, correct?

    Won’t he ask for a zillion bucks in arb that the Royals cannot, or do not want to, pay?

    Wouldn’t is make sense for them to to shop him around quietly?

  92. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    This is too funny.Sawx acquired from the Twins pitcher Boof Bosner he is 18-25, ERA 5.12,223ER/391.2 ip,96 Major league starts.This is another bargain pick up.

  93. Mike RI December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    guess you can cross philly off the list

  94. Just call me Mr. Clutch December 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    The word was that the Yankees were going to DFA Bruney. I think they gave him every chance they felt they could afford to get things worked out.

    Bruney did work hard, and seemed to be putting it together before his lisfranc injury. After that he was either decent or hurt or recovering from being hurt making him ineffective.

    Making the trade for the pick was just getting a little value out of someone the Yankees were pretty much done with.

  95. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Joba, Hughes, Gardner, and Romine still wouldn’t be enough for Zach Grienke. And rightfully so.

  96. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Chip,

    You overrate non-tenders and DFA’s.

    The majority of them wash out of the game.

    If the Sox are going to be competitive with the Yankees and Rays next year, the Ryan Church’s of the world aren’t going to cut it.

  97. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Sorry–my bad. Grienke is signed to an extension.

    Just looked at Cot’s–the Royals spent $70 million last year? Wow.

  98. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Boof Bosner had labrum AND rotator cuff surgery last February. The chances of him becoming the Sox next great DFA find are about as likely as Molina beating Bolt in a foot race.

  99. Betsy -high on pie December 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Vinny-b, I can’t check out that link right now; are Sox fans upset?

  100. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Grienke is signed for two more years. He’s not arbitration eligible next year.

    He’s not going anywhere and the Royals have no desire to trade him at this time.

  101. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    When Chip gets on here and starts his usual inane drivel, that’s when I get off.

    I can’t begin to tell you how much that hurts…

  102. steveoh December 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Nick Swisher is not going to be the fulltime DH on this team. That has no chance of happening.

    Why not? He hits enough to be the DH and you’re not exactly wasting his fielding prowess.

    I’m not sure DeJesus lets you put someone like Melky in RF, but Holliday would.

  103. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    vinny-b

    Not sure if I agree with you on the value of Grienke.

    Yes he won the Cy Young in what (could be) a breakout year, but his career numbers to date are good but not great, and there are issues with makeup. Roy Halliday he is not (yet).

    My thoughts were only a random musing, based on my thought that he was still in arb. Since he is not, there is no deal to be done.

  104. dee December 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    All I can say is I think they chose an Outfielder for a reason. Someone is gone.

  105. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    betsy:

    let’s just say their reactions mirrored those of yankee fans, when Boston aquired Curt Shilling and Victor Martinez. Entertaining

  106. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    The majority of them wash out of the game.

    And sometimes a player just isn’t a fit for his team or a team non-tenders a guy rather than pay him arbitration numbers.

    I’ve given you a laundry list of guys who were either non-tenders, Designated for Assignment or traded before they could be non-tendered who have worked out well for other teams.

    In any case, you and I will have to agree to disagree on this because I’m tired of arguing about it.

  107. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 10th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Peteabe has a thread up on his blog.The Sawx are considering Milton Bradley.Who has the Manny ATTITUDE.Pete says he’s despised in the Cubs clubhouse.This is too funny!

  108. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    I think chip just has an active imagination which isn’t a bad thing.

  109. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Gardner is a very good defensive CF.

    I’m sure that is why the Royals would want him.

  110. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    SJ44,

    I think your analysis of the Sox is spot on. Even Theo admitted that this is a “bridge” year. As Nick from SF said, that’s a true bridge to nowhere :)

    I still see holes at 3B, LF and DH for them. Their catching situation is not ideal since VMart and Varitek are poor defensive catchers. Mike Lowell is broken and has no movement at third. Ortiz has lost all his batspeed (hmm I wonder why?). Their LF at this point is Josh Reddick (future HoF according to Peter Gammons, 4th outfielder to everyone else).

    Marco Scutaro is an average SS at best. He had one insane year defensively and one good year offensively. Other than that he’s basically a mediocre player. He’s probably better than the string of SS’s Boston has had in recent years but still nothing special.

  111. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    “Peteabe has a thread up on his blog.The Sawx are considering Milton Bradley.Who has the Manny ATTITUDE.Pete says he’s despised in the Cubs clubhouse.This is too funny!”

    You shouldn’t be happy about this. Bradley is a damn good player. I want him on the Yanks actually

  112. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    let’s just say their reactions mirrored those of yankee fans, when Boston aquired Curt Shilling and Victor Martinez. Entertaining
    ————————————

    also: one Boston fan pronounced Brian Cashman as the “best GM in baseball”

  113. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    This is too funny.Sawx acquired from the Twins pitcher Boof Bosner he is 18-25, ERA 5.12,223ER/391.2 ip,96 Major league starts.This is another bargain pick up.

    Boston has a pretty good track record with guys the Twins gave up on…David Ortiz for example.

    Think about it this way, Boston last year invested very little money in Smoltz, Penny, Baldelli and Saito and only got production from one of them, but because they didn’t invest much in them it opened them up to bring on the salary of Victor Martinez mid season – maybe Boston’s thinking the same thing this year. Bring in Jeremy Hermida, Max Ramirez, Boof Bonser and hope you catch lightning in a bottle and if not, you still have resources to make a midseason deal for a Roy Halladay or Carl Crawford.

  114. Boston Dave December 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    I highly recommend the Dan Shaughnessy article on Boston.com today RE: the Sawx vs the Yanks

    Check it out… great stuff.

  115. Dude December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    If red sux get Milton Bradley, will they call it Fun-Way park? Will he lose his marbles in Beantown? Will he be board ?

  116. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “Marco Scutaro is an average SS at best”

    And yet the Sox gave up a first round pick for him-in a “bridge” year nonetheless.

  117. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Oh and SJ44 I do agree with you that the Scutaro deal was just awful.

  118. Steve December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Chip

    Boston has a pretty good track record with guys the Twins gave up on…David Ortiz for example.

    - Roids ,

  119. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    With a name like Boof it has to be good.

  120. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    “Pete says he’s despised in the Cubs clubhouse.This is too funny!”
    ————————————–

    well, Pete always said he loves a good story. :)

  121. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    With a name like Boof it has to be good
    ————————————–

    or very bad.

  122. nj2taiwan December 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Interesting name on the Rule 5 list. The Mets selected at #7 Carlos Monasterios, RHP. He’s one of the guys the Yanks sent to the Phils in the Abreu/Lidle deal.

  123. SJ44 December 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    I outlined above why Swisher is not going to be the fulltime DH on this team. Its not going to happen.

    Mike Cameron, Johnny Damon, Vlad Guerrero, Hideki Matsui and Mark DeRosa are still unsigned.

    All of those players and/or agents are talking to the Yankees.

    Barring a trade, one of those guys will be the guy the Yankees.

  124. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    What’s up with the Lowell thing? I guess they felt that they could get something without DFAing him?

    Why didn’t they just DFA him and let him try to sign where he wants, for a better contract? Is Max Ramirez worth so much to the Sox?

    Just shows you how little feeling or emotion Theo really has in this. Yes, I guess they get “something” back, but screw the player. Kind of like Bronson Arroyo a few years ago.

  125. Steve December 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    for fantasy’s sake. imagine vlad in pinstripes

  126. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    SJ

    It’s a nice choice to have for your DH. All would fit the bill, in different ways.

    So are they going for a last pitching piece?

  127. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    “for fantasy’s sake. imagine vlad in pinstripes”

    would rather not. Of the above players SJ44 mentioned, Gurrerreo would be my last choice. To me he looked completely done, in the playoffs. The Andy Pettitte HR not withstanding

  128. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    “Heard this: The Yankees are in the process of negotiating with Johnny Damon’s camp”

    http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/6534297807

  129. Steve December 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    i don’t know Vinny. didn’t like quite done to me

  130. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    And yet the Sox gave up a first round pick for him-in a “bridge” year nonetheless.

    Technically they traded up in the first round since they’ll get Altanta’s pick because the Braves signed Billy Wagner. And they’ll likely get another pick if someone other than Boston signs Bay.

    This really can’t be a bridge year for Boston…with Beckett and Victor both free agents at the end of the season they really need to focus on winning while they can. I get the signing of Scutaro from the standpoint of understanding why Boston wanted him; I do think they grossly overpaid to get him though.

    As for the Yankees, I just think with Granderson in the fold and the rest of the superstars on this team they can afford to take a look at some low risk moderate reward players to fill out the roster. Who knows, a guy like a Ryan Church could explode the way Carlos Pena did for Tampa. If he’s non-tendered the Yankees could bring back Dioneer Navarro and maybe he turns out to be the player we all thought he was going to be when the Yankees traded him for Randy Johnson.

    Carlos Pena, Russ Branyan, Jack Cust, David Ortiz, Tim Wakefield, Brandon Phillips, Jorge Cantu, Jason Bay, Jonny Gomes, Brian Bruney – are just some of the guys who have been cut, non-tendered, DFA’d at one time or another in their careers and succeeded elsewhere.

  131. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    More from Buster:

    “The Yankees intend to use market forces to pressure Damon to make a decision quickly. “

  132. David December 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    “Mike Cameron, Johnny Damon, Vlad Guerrero, Hideki Matsui and Mark DeRosa are still unsigned.

    All of those players and/or agents are talking to the Yankees.

    Barring a trade, one of those guys will be the guy the Yankees.”

    I agree with this logic. My preference is someone that can play outfield and does not strikeout too much. Vlad is an interesting choice. DeRosa does not hit enough for me.

  133. David December 10th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “SJ

    It’s a nice choice to have for your DH. All would fit the bill, in different ways.

    So are they going for a last pitching piece?”

    I tend towards Sheets and I think Cashman likes him.

  134. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    They may have traded “up” so to speak, Chip. But, is losing a first round pick for a 34 year old SS smart? Of course, if they were to sign Holliday, or any other type A, it would be a moot point.

  135. AndrewYF December 10th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    The Red Sox did get a better draft pick for the Braves signing Wagner, but that has nothing to do with the pick they lost by signing Scutaro. Scutaro cost them a first round pick. It’s gone forever. If they hadn’t signed Scutaro, they would have had one more first round pick than they have now, regardless of what happened with Wagner.

  136. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Sj, hey we agree in something. Swisher won’t be the Dh, they have several options to fill that role. As it stands right now Swisher is going to have to play in the outfield anyway.

  137. CR9 December 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    As SJ44 noted with Boston losing out on Teixeira, I will add that I think that Boston’s arrogance finally came back to haunt them.

    They probably figured Mark Teixeira would just take whatever money Boston was willing to offer, just like everyone does (Bronson Arroyo being the perfect example).
    They probably said, “This is what we’re offering and you’ll take it, because everyone wants to play for Boston.”

  138. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Looks like Johnny’s putting the squeeze on Boras to get it done before Christmas. Nobody wants to be Abreu 2009.

    It’ll be Abreu at best: $8-9 x 2. The need for an option year is going to hold things up for a time, but maybe a $2-3 million buyout seals it.

    So no Matsui?

  139. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    if bay signs elsewhere I’d love to ruin Bostons plans again this year by stealing Holliday from them. I know its unlikely and most people in here think Holliday isn’t in their radar but wouldn’t it be great to leave the sox out in the cold two years in a row

  140. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    “ESPN’s Buster Olney heard “the Yankees are in the process of negotiating with Johnny Damon’s camp.” He adds that the Yanks “intend to use market forces to pressure Damon to make a decision quickly.” I’m sure Scott Boras will love that”
    —————————————–

    damon is done, as a yankee. Oh well, that’s his decision

  141. CR9 December 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    I dont want to imagine Vlad in pinstripes.

    Double Play, Double play, swinging strikeout on pitch to the back stop (does not run to 1st base), Double Play, Pop up with runner on 3rd and less than 2 out, Double Play.

  142. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Boston is going through what the Yankee teams of 2002-2008 went through. Lots of deadwood at high prices.

    It may take a season or two to sort through the mess.

    Fine with me as a Yankee fan.

  143. Erin December 10th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    PittsburghYankeeFan
    December 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    So no Matsui?

    *******************
    I think it depends what happens with Damon. If he ends up walking, I think (and hope!!) Matsui will be back.

  144. vinny-b December 10th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    “It’ll be Abreu at best: $8-9 x 2. The need for an option year is going to hold things up for a time, but maybe a $2-3 million buyout seals it”
    ————————————–

    if were NYY i would offer him 1 year and an option. Take it or leave it

    NYY is in the position to do this.

  145. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Mike Cameron, Johnny Damon, Vlad Guerrero, Hideki Matsui and Mark DeRosa are still unsigned.

    Vlad? Really? And you accuse me of having an obsession with washed up players.

    I don’t entirely disagree with you about Swisher. My point is that if the Yankees bring in a viable left fielder, DeRosa or Cameron for example, their best defensive team would have DeRosa or Cameron in LF, Granderson in CF and Melky in RF thus for Nick Swisher to play everyday it has to be at DH.

    So based on your list above – unless the guy the Yankees bring in is Vlad or Matusi (or maybe Damon) then there’s still a chance that Swisher winds up at DH.

    And please, don’t tell me that Swisher is a better defensive outfielder than Melky – if that was the case then Girardi would not have brought in Gardner to play CF and moved Melky to RF and Swisher to the bench in defensive situations late in post season games.

  146. sab December 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Chip’s constant persistence of Dejesus, Hawpe, Ankiel, Dunn and now Church kind of reminds me of my high school years when me and the girlfriend of the week were parked in my car on a dark street… and after many trys i finally got her to give in..

    come to think of it maybe that mentality will eventaully work..i just hope cashman isn’t reading this blog and eventually will see it Chip’s way….

  147. squidward December 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “This really can’t be a bridge year for Boston…with Beckett and Victor both free agents at the end of the season they really need to focus on winning while they can.”

    Ortiz is too. This “bridge” thing is probably a little posturing.

  148. Jacob Ruppert December 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I have a problem with this Mike Lowell trade. I don’t see the impetus behind Texas’s reasoning. If the Red Sox were desperate enough to rid themselves of Mike Lowell that they paid all but 3 million dollars of his contract, one could assume that they would have eventually bitten the bullet and released him.

    Basically, the Red Sox just saved themselves 3 million dollars, controlled where Lowell would play and also receiving a prospect. Texas could have waited until they DFA’ed him, saved themselves the prospect and gotten him for the league minimum.

  149. Mike RI December 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    i can see Damon being signed soon. Good Job by Cashman

  150. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I’d like to imagine Vlad from five years ago in pinstripes.

  151. CR9 December 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    For Vlad in pinstripes, I forgot to add…

    pulled hamstring, sore shoulder, cortisone shots, Disabled list.

  152. blake December 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    If they bring Damon back and stop there with position players then they still have nobody that can protect Arod in the lineup.

  153. Phil December 10th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    blake,

    Granderson is gonna hit 40 homers batter wherever for the Yanks this year. That’ll work at 5 against most pitchers.

  154. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    I don’t see the impetus behind Texas’s reasoning.

    Texas really didn’t give up anything for a fairly good DH option. They’ve got too good up and coming catchers in Salty and Teagarden and Ramirez’s value was starting to decline. That said, I don’t get why Texas is so eager to add injury prone players (Lowell, Ray, Harden)

  155. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    vinny-b

    I like that, and I think the Yankees have the ability now to say $8-9 million x 1 with an option for year 2 for Damon.

    If he walks, they sign Matsui for about the same or less, for one year.

    They need a DH now, someone who can hit lefties, and not another OF.

  156. Chip December 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    If they bring Damon back and stop there with position players then they still have nobody that can protect Arod in the lineup.

    Bat Granderson behind Alex.

  157. Tom in NJ December 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Maybe this is why the Nats didn’t take Zack Kroenke for the Yankees:

    “doesn’t have to be offered back to Yanks; since he’s been outrighted off 40-man roster, he can refuse and become a free agent if offered back.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ts/?p=7359

  158. PittsburghYankeeFan December 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Chip

    Maybe the hot weather in Texas will help their joints.

    Max Ramirez did have declining value, and with Lowell they get a $2-3 million DH that can also play 3rd from time to time.

    Sox really must have wanted room on the 40 man to be so desperate to make this deal now.

  159. blake December 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Phil, he may but I think pitchers will choose to try and make Alex chase and face granderson, especially against lefties. If arod is patient like he was in the playoffs and granderson makes them pay for walking arod then that’s great but if he doesn’t then it could lead to arod expanding the zone as he’s done in the past. That’s why since they got granderson I think matsui makes more sense than Damon.

  160. blake December 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Phil, he may but I think pitchers will choose to try and make Alex chase and face granderson, especially against lefties. If arod is patient like he was in the playoffs and granderson makes them pay for walking arod then that’s great but if he doesn’t then it could lead to arod expanding the zone as he’s done in the past. That’s why since they got granderson I think matsui makes more sense than Damon.

  161. haiku-man December 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Jayson Stark tweets,Phillies are taking a hard look at John Smoltz,as back of bull-pen weapon.Heard Smoltz’s agent told them “No problem” with Citizens Bank Park.

    From Halladay to Smoltz,how quickly they lower their standards.Please Philly bring on Smoltz.

  162. wallypip December 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    The Yankees need a DH and a LF and one of them needs to be able to bat 5-6.

    BTW, if Granderson bats 5, A-Rod will never see a strike from a lefty again.

  163. Jacob Ruppert December 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Chip

    I understand that they didn’t give up much but why give up anything at all? They could have just waited. But they paid 3 million dollars for the privilege of saving the the Red Sox 3 million while allowing them to control where Lowell goes and giving the Red Sox a 3rd catcher to throw at the wall and hope to stick. It makes little sense.

  164. randy l. December 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “I think your analysis of the Sox is spot on. Even Theo admitted that this is a “bridge” year. As Nick from SF said, that’s a true bridge to nowhere”

    patrick-

    i think the red sox are going to throw in the towel this year and take the position that they don’t have to beat the yankees to make the playoffs.

    they just have to beat tampa, texas, detroit et for the wildcard.

    let’s face it , the yankees are loaded with great players. the stars have lined up for the yankees.

    they still have to put it together on the field for the regular season, but realistically it’s not too soon to be thinking about building the team for the post season.

    last year they got lucky without a true #2 pitcher. barring another big trade or signing they’ll likely not have a real #2 again this year. hughes or joba may develop into this role in 2011-2012 but the yankees need to plan for this year if burnett is that #2 guy again in the postseason where it’s a crapshoot when he pitches.

    perhaps hughes or joba will develop enough that one of them can come into a bad aj start early and be counted on to do a decent job.the yankees just can’t go into the postseason next year with no real back up for when bad aj shows up.

  165. BigJoe44 December 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Good to see the Yankees in the news again by picking up Hoffman in the Rule 5 Draft. Not sure what Cashman has in mind their, but I’m sure he has a plan.

    As it stands right now, I count 21 players who would be on the 25 man roster going into next year.
    1-5)CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes, and Joba
    6-14) Posada, Tex, Cano, Jeter, ARod, Melky, Granderson, Swish, and Gardner
    15-18) Mo, Robertson, Marte, and Aceves
    19-21) Cervelli, Pena, and Hoffman

    That leaves 4 more spots for the bullpen, and allows Girardi to have a revolving DH (something I don’t agree with).

    For all those bashing Gardner, I posted a comparison (complete with stats) yesterday between Gardner and Melky.
    Offensively, they put up similar totals but accomplish them in different ways.
    Melky is a better slugger, but Gardner gets on more and steals way more, making up for the lack of slugging.
    Defensively, Melky has a better arm, while Gardner has better range. Maybe someone can show us some defensive metrics that can show if one is better than the other.
    Saying one has more upside or more flaws at this point in their careers is not fact, but merely opinion. I like them both, but my opinion is if I could only have one, then I would go with Gardners speed either off the bench, or as a full time LF.

    With that said, lets see what else Cashman has up his sleeve. (Hoping it’s Matsui!!!)


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