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Hot Stove Mailbag #1

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just for the record, there are still 69 days until the first pitchers and catchers workout at Steinbrenner Field in Tampa. In other words, we’ll probably have a few of these mailbags to help pass the time until baseball returns. Let’s get right to it:

Frank asks: If the Yankees don’t bring Matsui back who do you see as the No. 5 hitter to protect A-Rod?

Frank, assuming Damon comes back, I think the Yankees will primarily go: Jeter, Damon, Tex, A-Rod, Granderson/Posada, depending on who is hotter at the time. With no Damon, I think Granderson will hit second and Posada will be the primary No. 5 hitter.

Tyler asks: With the names being floated around to land Roy Halladay, would you rather see the Yanks go for the real long ball, call the Mariners and say “pick 2 or 3 of our top 5 and 3 or 4 of our 10-20 top prospects and send us Felix?”

There aren’t many players in baseball who you’d even think about giving up multiple high-end young players for, Tyler, but The King has to be one of them. Even so, I wouldn’t hold your breath. Seattle should do everything it can to keep him.

Chrissa asks: Did Mo pick “Enter Sandman” for his song or was it picked for him and stuck? He doesn’t seem like the Metallica type.

You’re right, Chrissa, Mo is very much NOT the Metallica type. It was picked for him and just stuck. Actually, I remember when Metallica singer James Hetfield came to a Yankees-Mets game in 2005 as a guest of Randy Johnson – who is a huge fan of and friendly with the band – and several players were excited to meet him. Rivera, on the other hand, had no idea who he was (though he did chat with Hetfield after being introduced to him just before BP).

Andy asks: Do you think Mike Cameron is a viable option for the Yanks?

I don’t, Andy, mostly because at age soon-to-be-37 he doesn’t fit the “let’s get younger” concept that Cashman seems to be pushing. That said, if the Yankees did get him, the most excited people around would surely be the media – Cameron is one of baseball’s ultimate good guys.

Ben S. (and many, many others) asks: The Blue Jays have said they would like an established hitter in return for Roy Halladay. What established Yankee bats could you see the team including in a deal for Halladay?

Start with Jesus Montero, Ben, and keep going from there. Word is that the Jays very much like Montero (though perhaps not at catcher long-term), but would also want young arms in a deal – figure on Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, plus at least one more mid-level prospect to even get in the conversation at this point. As we saw with Johan Santana, though, the longer this thing drags on the lower the price may drop. I’m not so sure Halladay will ultimately bring in the haul the Jays want, especially since he’ll likely be demanding an extension to drop his no-trade clause.

Kevin asks: In your opinion, who defines the years ’96-’09: Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter?

Kevin, I love Mo as much as anyone, but it’s got to be Jeter. He’s the guy who will be associated with this Yankees run for years and years to come.

Dan asks: Will Chad be taking over the blog exclusively next season or will it continue to be run by the two of you? Hope to see both of you!

Dan, I – and Chad – appreciate that and it’s safe to say you’ll see both of us. Chad is our Yankees beat writer and so, obviously, that’s 100 % of his focus. I’m a general columnist and still write about other sports, too, (Giants/Eagles on Sunday, for example), but I’ll be doing plenty of Yankees both on the blog and in the paper. The hope is that our different styles and insights make the blog even more enjoyable for you guys.

Robert asks: With Coke/Bruney gone and Joba/Hughes (potentially) starting, who are the most viable in-house options to fill the void in the pen?

It’s impossible to forget the work Dave Robertson did during the playoffs, Robert, and I’d be surprised if the Yankees don’t give him a chance to stick in 2010. Girardi, in particular, loves Robertson’s high strikeout rate. Obviously there are other young relievers who showed glimpses in 2009 (Mark Melancon, Jonathan Albaladejo) but I’ll be curious to see how Mike Dunn develops. He’s 24, a converted outfielder and throws in the mid-90′s as a lefthander. How much do the Yankees like him? A turning point in the Granderson trade was when the Yankees got the Tigers to take him out of the deal.

Doug asks: Now that the Yankees have added a new CF and gotten Andy to agree to return, is there a big move left this offseason? Do you think there is a surprise move that gets made by the team before winter ends?

I don’t see anything like last year’s sneak attack on Teixeira, Doug. Well, except for that tiny Roy Halladay press conference in late January …

Don asks: If you could invite three living or deceased Yankees to breakfast tomorrow (pancakes for the table, of course), who would they be?

Ruth (just because), DiMaggio (in hopes he’d bring Marilyn) and Bobby Murcer (because he was, literally, among the nicest men I ever got to meet and I’d love to hear him talk baseball with the other two).

Ward asks: If Damon signs elsewhere, what about re-signing Xavier Nady to play left (assuming he has healed from his surgery)?

I don’t see Nady returning, Ward, though supposedly he’s doing well in rehab and hopes to be ready for spring training. The Braves are interested in him, as are his former team, the Pirates.

Patrick asks: If the moon were made of spare ribs, would you eat it?

Uh … well, no, Patrick. But I’m not a pork guy (or, you know, an astronaut).

Patrick asks: OK, that’s not my question, but who doesn’t love a Will Ferrell/Harry Caray quote during the offseason?

(Scratching head …)

Patrick asks: That was also not my question for the mailbag! Seriously, how has the Lohud Yankees Blog experience been thus far compared to what you expected? What do you like best about it? What do you like least about it? What are some of your (and Chad’s) goals for the blog for 2010?

Well, Patrick, it’s been about as I expected, mostly since I had the pleasure of stepping in for a few weeks when Pete was still here, so I had a pretty good idea how it would go. It was then, and still is now, a fantastic community of incredibly passionate readers, and that makes all the work worthwhile.

We know that we can’t make everybody happy all of the time (even though we do try), but I think our goal is to continue to grow the site and bring as many people as we can inside the Yankees world. As you can tell, there’s a lot going on in there.

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Thanks to all the readers who sent in questions. The response was overwhelming and we’ll be sure to do more of these as the offseason goes on.

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333 Responses to “Hot Stove Mailbag #1”

  1. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Rishi,

    Thanks for the heads up on the new thread.

  2. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Jerkface, that wasn’t me –who said to slowly develop Phil, that was Joe from CT.

    Joe, Phil is going to be 24 next year. If you leave him in the pen in 2010, he will have severe innings limits (worse than this year) in 2011 AND he will be way behind in terms of having his repertoire refined (curve more consistent, let the change at least be solid). Having him in the pen is a very shortsighted move and I would rather the Yankees trade him as a starter than stunt his growth. Hence why I hate the idea of a competition – ST is for him to work on things and he can’t do that if he’s trying to “win”.

  3. m December 11th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Nice mailbag, Sam. Do you really think there will be a Halladay presser in January? That was a joke right? Sounds like you think it will take Jesus and Joba.

    I don’t think they’d give up Jesus when 1) they don’t HAVE to make this move 2) there’s not much of a bidding war 3)Jobamania would be a good headliner.

    I know it looks like I’m trying to get rid of Joba (I’m not), but I think the Yankees would give serious consideration to moving him for Halladay if no other principles were involved. It would be the definition of selling high if a long-term deal could be worked out with Halladay.

    ————————————————-
    repost:

    Good morning, everyone!

    Ain’t life grand? We can just enjoy the hot stove season and stay warm and not worry about getting burned?

    Is Joel Sherman a bandwagon writer? He seems to be a big booster of the club nowadays.

    Anyway, I was all but resigned to the fact that we might not get Halladay. But his article gave me a twinkle of hope. Of course he said what one or two have said here all along.

    That ultimately the price will drop, we’ll offer them (I think) Joba and some prospects and seal the deal. AA as he’s fondly called here is fast going the way of Bill Smith in that he’s asking too much. And if he doesn’t take the first good deal, he’ll end up giving Halladay away just like Santana was given away.

    Also, love the fact that K-Long is going to make his rounds. I know that Alex throws around praise like Pacman throws around dollar bills, but I believe him when he speaks highly of Long.

    Granderson must look like one big lump of clay that Long can mold. Or maybe more of those skinny bendy figures.

  4. JRB December 11th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Hey Sam, since you seemed to be confused, here’s a link to the Ferrell sketch:

    http://cubs.fandome.com/video/.....rry-Caray/

    Classic!

  5. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Hughes is a starter so some people should stop talking about putting him in the pen. What is wrong with some of these fans ? Do you want every starter in the pen, hey lets put Sabathia in the pen since he is so strong. Come on !

    Hughes is going to break out this year and next so let him develop in the rotation.

  6. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Phil, that’s true about games not starting until April, but if Sheets and other options are gone, then they’ll have no choice but to go with the kids and hope they are ready for the big time.

    Hmm, well the Yanks should just walk away from Damon at this point. If he doesn’t get it by now that the Yankees want him back….but only at their price…then.he never will. I hope for his sake that the $$$ makes him happy wherever he goes

    LOL If Long can make Swish into a .280 hitter, wow. I suspect also that Granderson will prove to be an apt pupil.

  7. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Toronto and their rookie GM are not getting Montero from the Yanks.

  8. tampayank December 11th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    “Kevin asks: In your opinion, who defines the years ‘96-’09: Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter?

    Kevin, I love Mo as much as anyone, but it’s got to be Jeter. He’s the guy who will be associated with this Yankees run for years and years to come.”

    I’d go with Mo, I think he has been key for the 5 Championships…ofcourse Jeter is the face of the franchise and deals w/ the media more but I would argue you could take away at least 3 of those titles without Mo on the mound in the 9th

  9. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Andy asks: Do you think Mike Cameron is a viable option for the Yanks?

    I don’t, Andy, mostly because at age soon-to-be-37 he doesn’t fit the “let’s get younger” concept that Cashman seems to be pushing. That said, if the Yankees did get him, the most excited people around would surely be the media – Cameron is one of baseball’s ultimate good guys.

    —————————–

    So the 36 year old Damon does? What about the 35 year old Hideki Matsui? Or how about the 34 year old Derosa?

    Like I said last night signing guys like Damon, Matsui, Cameron to one year deals allows the Yankees to get younger in the big picture. This is not a one year plan to get younger Sam and your answer does not make much sense since you are pushing the Yankees to sign Damon who is roughly the same age.

  10. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Definitely agree on the Jeter thing. Mo is the best closer of all time but Jeter has contributed far more to this team. No matter how good you are as a reliever you just do not have a big enough impact on the game as everyday guys like Jetes and Bernie did.

  11. m December 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    “But after everyone has left the podium, this will go down as a deal that changes the face of all three franchises. The Tigers get younger and cheaper. The Diamondbacks get a revamped rotation without having to plunge into the free-agent shark waters. And the champs? The champs get Curtis Granderson.”

    Great article by Starks. Don’t know how I missed it. Apologies if it was posted earlier.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4726148

  12. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    They don’t need to walk away from anybody right now. Its only December 11.

    There is no rush to fill out the remaining openings on the team.

    Its always better to wait (if you can, and the Yankees can this year) things out and see how the market shakes out.

    Part of the reason why there is so little activity is because agents still have their heads in the clouds with their offers at the present time.

    The Yankees are in a perfect position to wait the market out and can do so for at least the next 4-6 weeks.

    By that time, reality will set into the marketplace and deals will get done.

  13. m December 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I think it’s Jeter. I know most think otherwise, but it’s Jeter for me.

    The team doesn’t win or lose solely because of Jeter, but Mo doesn’t earned those saves all on his own either.

    Mo is the best closer ever, but by definition (Phil Hughes’) definition it’s just an inning later than the 9th. The closer’s job is to not blow a lead, that’s all. ;)

  14. Abdababdaserser December 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Once a few of the FA’s sign for lower than expected deals the others will follow or be left in the cold.

  15. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    RE: Cameron

    Sam,

    Cashman has also said that getting younger just for the sake of it isn’t what he wants to do. Younger inferior players aren’t his goal. Cameron is better than any outfielder we have outside of Granderson and would be a great addition for a year or two.

  16. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    The Yanks are gonna be offered some bargains as the hot stove season wears on. The big plans of other GM’s will shrink as the season approaches, and they’ll come to the Yanks.

  17. UpState December 11th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Sam:
    Bobby Murcer.
    My favorite Yankee of all-time.
    Glad you mentioned him….
    An absolute True Yankee.
    Miss him tremendously !

  18. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Chrissa asks: Did Mo pick “Enter Sandman” for his song or was it picked for him and stuck? He doesn’t seem like the Metallica type.

    You’re right, Chrissa, Mo is very much NOT the Metallica type. It was picked for him and just stuck. Actually, I remember when Metallica singer James Hetfield came to a Yankees-Mets game in 2005 as a guest of Randy Johnson – who is a huge fan of and friendly with the band – and several players were excited to meet him. Rivera, on the other hand, had no idea who he was (though he did chat with Hetfield after being introduced to him just before BP).
    __

    Great question and great story! Sounds like Mo.

  19. Rishi December 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    BigJoe44
    December 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Rishi,

    Thanks for the heads up on the new thread.
    ============

    np – FYI, I follow the blog on Twitter and the twitterfeed usually updates before the new post is actually posted :)

  20. G. Love December 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    I think Damon has to be aware of the fact that if another free agent signs for somewhat short money like Abreu did, he has no choice and has to back off the 13 million a year for four stance he’s on.

    I understand he took some severe financial losses with a bad investment that I believe Boras steered clients into (I think Nady got harmed too if I recall), but if he can’t get by for the rest of his life from a 20 million dollar 2 year offer, then he seriously needs to re-evaluate his spending habits.

    I think the Yankees would do 2/20 when all is said and done.

    The only way he sees more money than that is if he gets a 3 year offer and I guess any GM worth their salt is only going to offer 3 years at a reduced salary in the 7-8 million a year range.

    I’m just at a loss of what team would offer Damon a 3 year 21-24 million dollar contract.

    Although the Mets are always out there for a really dumb move like that.

  21. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I would say Jeter as well. There’s a definite case to be made for Mo, but I have to go with Jeter

  22. upstate kate December 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    thanks Sam, you and Chad are doing a great job.

    not to take away anything from Mo, but I would go w/ Jeter as well

  23. m December 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Oops. By Phil’s definition the 9th inning is just one inning later than the 8th. :P

    Sherman (?) suggested that IF the Yankees signed Cameron, they could put Granderson in LF and Camderon in CF. Does that make sense?

  24. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Jerkface, that wasn’t me –who said to slowly develop Phil, that was Joe from CT.

    yea I know Betsy, I was saying that his whole sentence was designed to ‘troll you’ specifically. I knew you’d dislike all of his ideas. If I were trolling you, I’d post near the same thing.

  25. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    G.Love

    You know that moron Omar Minaya will at least make one bad move and overpay for some washed up veteran. I wouldn’t be surprised if he offered a contract to Damon. But he might not do it since Damon isn’t Latino and Minaya is a racist. LOL !

  26. vin December 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    It doesn’t make much sense for Boras to have Damon sign quickly. If the Yanks have a LF, then they are automatically removed from the Matt Holliday sweepstakes – which hurts his leverage (especially if Bay re-signs with the Sox).

    Boras will drag it out as long as possible, and Cash knows this, and Boras knows Cash knows this. It’s all a dance these guys always do this time of year. You scratch my back, I’ll scratch your back.

    Just be patient… the Yanks will go into 2010 with the best roster in the game – that’s pretty much guaranteed.

  27. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    From what I understand, Nady took a bigger hit than Damon with the Stanford Financial debacle.

    I believe the government froze both guys assets in their accounts. I’m not sure if the money has been released yet.

    Supposedly, it was going to but, everybody is hush hush as to whether or not it was.

    It wasn’t just Damon and Nady among athletes who got hurt from the Stanford Financial Ponzi scheme. A good chunk of the men’s professional tennis tour (as well as their pensions) and a bunch of NFL and Non-Boras MLB players were invested in Stanford.

    Its the athletic version of Bernie Madoff. A lot of guys lost money in that scam.

  28. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Why should the Yanks offer 2 years for Damon when no one else is offering 1?

  29. Mark in Tampa December 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    “Sherman (?) suggested that IF the Yankees signed Cameron, they could put Granderson in LF and Camderon in CF. Does that make sense?”

    It might make sense if Cameron is a better CF for the short term, but not the long term. They would be saying that Granderson is good, but not what they really want in CF, after they just gave up their supposed future CF for him. Then next year, after Cameron is gone, are they left looking for another CF? Move Granderson back to CF? You rarely, if ever, see players move to a corner spot and then back again. If Cameron were 5 years younger, maybe it makes sense. Not now.

  30. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I think we are in great shape right now, and if we go into the season with:

    1) our current outfield of Swisher, Granderson, and pick two of Melky/Gardner/Hoffmann
    2) a starting rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes, and Joba
    3) rotating our DH, or bringing up Miranda
    4) having Cervelli and Pena on the bench

    then we will be just fine…or at the least, a lot better than Boston.
    I’m sure there will be more tinkering to come, but we will just have to wait and agonize over what may or may not happen.
    Oh, how I love/hate the off-season!!!

  31. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Sherman (?) suggested that IF the Yankees signed Cameron, they could put Granderson in LF and Camderon in CF. Does that make sense?

    Granderson is an above average CFer, Cameron is one of the best CFers in all of baseball. If you sign Cameron, Granderson goes to left field.

    Cameron in center = elite
    Granderson in center = Good
    Melky in center = average
    Gardner in center = elite

    Damon in left = average
    Melky in left = above average
    Grander in left = elite

  32. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    “Why should the Yanks offer 2 years for Damon when no one else is offering 1?”

    Maybe because they want him on the team for 2 years rather than just 1?

  33. vin December 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Re: Cameron

    In a way, the Yanks can get younger by signing the 37 year old Mike Cameron to a 1 year deal. They’ll go into 2011 with an opening in LF that can be filled by a free agent guy like Crawford (29) or Kubel (29). Of course if they hang onto Melky or Gardner, and 1 of them shows improvement this year, they can be a viable option.

  34. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    It’s a tough choice between bringing Damon back or Matsui but Damon can still run and at least play the outfield sometimes. Thats why Damon seems like the better option.

  35. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Rishi,

    I don’t twitter or tweet, so I usually end up missing the start of new threads. Leaves me way behind everybody else. It took me a little while before I figured out what your emoticon was for. Once again, thanks for the heads up.

    Maybe Chad or Sam could get the techies to have an automatic message added to the current thread whenever they start a new one.

  36. 86w183 December 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    The Yanks just traded for a 29 year old CF. What sense would it make to then sign a 37 year old CF? Let me answer that for you, NONE!

    No one knows that the Yankees offered two years.. that’s just speculation. I would offer Damon one year with a vesting option and if he says no just move on. A Nady/Miranda DH platoon might be interesting.

  37. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Phil,

    Yes! Agreed!

    And furthermore why would they let Hideki go by the wayside when his power numbers are there for the taking and very likely on favorable terms? There’s not much of a market there, but if we don’t sign him some smart AL gm just might steal him for $5M or so.

  38. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    “The Yanks just traded for a 29 year old CF. What sense would it make to then sign a 37 year old CF? Let me answer that for you, NONE!”

    Well I’m 24 so the Yanks should probably sign me if they were following your logic.

    Youth != ability

    Getting younger for the sake of it is stupid

  39. NYY626 December 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    SI_JonHeyman: #yanks as much $34 million apart on damon so far — 18 mil for 2 vs. 52 mil for 4. doesnt this have to get done tho?

    Wow, really Boras??

  40. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    I got my Yankees world series Blu-Ray and watched it, and it just reinforced that the Yankees need to bring back Matsui. Ultimate team guy. He was being interviewed for the portion that would show his ridiculous MVP winning highlights and all he could say was

    “I was able to perform above my own capabilities because of my teammates, its their abilities that let me accomplish this.”

    and he also said, “I will always do whatever the team asks to the best of my abilities.”

    Bring back Matsui-san

  41. vin December 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    “Why should the Yanks offer 2 years for Damon when no one else is offering 1?”

    I’m sure they’d love to offer every free agent 1 year deal, but they don’t because someone else will offer a 2 year deal.

    Damon will absoultely get a 1 year offer from some team, but the fact is that he fits the Yanks better than any other club.

    Why did the Yanks pay Pettitte so much when they were the only ones negotiating with him? They’re usually very good about taking care of their players, and that helps their image with future FA’s.

  42. vin December 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    “I got my Yankees world series Blu-Ray and watched it”

    How was it? What was on it? Just highlights and interviews of the WS only?

  43. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Patrick,

    Then why not offer him another one year deal next year? It’s pretty apparent that there’s no market for him. Why offer anyone an extra year? Get Damon and Matsui back on 1 year deals, trade Melky or Gardy, and let’s rock and roll.

  44. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    I saw somewhere that the Yankees view Damon primarily as a DH type. Two years for Damon doesn’t make sense unless they think that Posada will be able to hold up behind the plate through the end of his contract which would coincide with the end of a 2 yr. deal for Damon.

    Damon had 24 HR? 17 were at home so he’s the biggest benefactor of NYS.

  45. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    SAM

    Is there a way to clue people to a new thread – at the bottom of the comments?

  46. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Free Agents this year are not getting great contracts, seemingly worse than last year in fact. Since the Yankees have made the moves they had to make, they can just sit and let the market come down to their terms.

    I would be very surprised if we were able to get Halladay. in fact, it’s more likely that Holliday’s asking price (amount & years) comes down to an affordable number, and we may still pass. Trades are still a possibility though.

    So far it looks as if next season, there will be lots of kids on the team: Cervelli, Pena, Hoffmann, Melancon and Dunn all seem likely.

  47. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Phil,

    Unless Phil is a weird alias for Scott Boras, you have no idea what his market is.

  48. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Jerkface
    December 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Bring back Matsui-san

    ********************
    I fully support this :D

  49. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    If Heyman’s tweet is correct, and you have to assume it is since he has a direct line to Scott Boras, they aren’t that far apart.

    Scott’s original offers are always excessively high.

    If Johnny turns down that deal, he’s crazy.

    My guess is, if 2/18 is legit (and I believe it is), he re-signs with the Yankees in the next couple of weeks.

  50. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    was this discussed last night
    Yanks Hot Stove
    Lorenz proposes Joba, Montero, Melky and another prospect for Halladay.
    These guys were talking like it was a sweet deal for the YANKS But Maybe not enough for Toronto.
    This after all the talk that Phil and Montero was too high a cost. Someone is wrong.

    The Point, Most of not all Experts are Clueless – amateur and professional

  51. vey December 11th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    After next season the Jays will not even figure into the postseason mix.It is crazy bold to expect another team to fully restock your team,because of previous lousy mismanagement decisions,for 1 player.

    In one fell swoop they want the Yankess,et al to make them a contender.I hope Cashman holds his ground.It has taken Cashman discipline and focus to not gut the Yankees for one acquisition,Halladay.

    Hope Damon comes to his senses,Cashman may go in a different direction(I hope he does)soon

  52. 86w183 December 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Patrick —

    Clever comeback. It’s a shame it didn’t mean anything. Besides, I wrote nothing about getting younger.

    The Yanks don’t have a position for Cameron. A career CF doesn’t get signed at age 37 to learn a new position.

  53. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Does Damon have any offers from other teams right now? Or are they all waiting to see what happens with the Yankees?

  54. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    IDK about you guys but guaranteeing a 2nd year for Damon is certainly not something I would be thrilled about.

  55. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Patrick,

    You don’t need to be Scott Boras to know there’re no market for Damon. It’s not only smart fans who can read home and road splits. What’s more at 3/13 which is what he’s rumored to be asking, both Bay and Holliday make much more sense for teams than Damon. If his demand goes down to 2/18, Mike Cameron, who will take a 1 year deal makes more sense. He’s not at a price where he will come off the shelf, and it’s really obvious cause he’s still on the shelf.

  56. Mark in Tampa December 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    “IDK about you guys but guaranteeing a 2nd year for Damon is certainly not something I would be thrilled about.”

    Me neither. In fact, if it wasn’t for one AB against Lidge and then the double steal, I think very few would be clamoring for his return. He fell off quite a bit in late August until that night in the WS, critical as that play may have been.

  57. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Of course the yankees can move Granderson to left, if they get a guy who can play center better. Granderson has already said he’d do it, he has done it before, and he is good at it.

    Don’t be so obtuse

  58. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Why are some still talking about Cameron. The guy is average, he is a former steroid user, he would serve no important role on this team. It would be a waste of money. No more talk about Cameron, Delgado, Glaus, Ryan Church, or any other losers.

  59. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Yeah it is not like the if the Yankees tell Grandy he is moving to left he will buy some steroids, hit the gym everyday, and put on like 30 pounds of muscle to make him look more like a corner OF.

  60. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    “Gardner in center = elite”

    ?????

    Does anybody have any stats to back that up?

  61. UpState December 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth
    Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)

    ========================

    Great lyric !!!

    “Semolina Pilchard” written on my “Corporation T-Shirt”

    - Upstate

  62. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I keep getting this feeling that when the music stops Swisher will be the one without a chair.

  63. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    SJ,

    I would be really interested to see your thoughts on Cameron as a baseball player in general and as an option for the Yankees.

  64. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Right now I estimate the Yankee payroll at just shy of $192 million with the following presumptions:

    Starters:
    CC (L)
    AJ
    Pettitte (L)
    Joba
    Hughes

    Bullpen:
    Rivera
    Robertson
    Marte (L)
    Gaudin
    Melancon
    Aceves
    Dunn (L)

    Infield:
    Teixeira
    Cano
    Jeter
    Rodriguez
    Pena

    Outfield:
    Cabrera
    Granderson
    Swisher
    Gardner
    Hoffmann

    Catchers:
    Posada
    Cervelli

    DH:
    Matsui-san

  65. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Cameron wasn’t a steroid user. His suspension came from an OTC supplement he purchased at GNC.

    The banned substance wasn’t a steroid. It was a diruetic. Big distinction.

  66. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Granderson is our Centerfielder period !

    No Cameron. We don’t need some washed up player who has never done anything special in his entire career. Yeah he is good on the field but what purpose would he have this team ?

  67. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    “Clever comeback. It’s a shame it didn’t mean anything. Besides, I wrote nothing about getting younger.
    The Yanks don’t have a position for Cameron. A career CF doesn’t get signed at age 37 to learn a new position. ”

    You specifically noted their ages as if you were making a point.

    If you seriously think LF is all that different than CF that tells me you’ve never played a game of baseball in your life.

    Phil, Again, you can’t know that Damon’s market is so crappy. Also it’s just a rumor at this point that the Yanks have offered him 2 years.

  68. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I meant on this team ?

  69. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I agree with the thinking that Damon is more or less made for the Yankees at this point. Boras is bidding against himself because, IMO, Damon’s “gifts” are not as valuable on a different team in a different lineup where he might be required to play competently in left field. Then again, maybe he could go back to Boston on a 4 year contract after the Mets sign Bay ;)

    (For those of you with acquired humor impairment disorder, or AHID, that bit about Los Mets and Boston was a joke).

  70. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I am not a Cameron fan by any means, but if we get Cameron and Matsui, we have upgraded our defense immensely, and our offense slightly, if not the same.

    Cameron CF
    Grandy LF
    Matsui DH

    or

    Damon DH/LF
    Grandy CF
    Melky LF

    or Damon LF
    Grandy CF
    Matsui DH
    and either BG or Melky traded and the other the 4th outfielder.

    I’d take the first option, if the price for Cameron was not too high, and the price for Matsui was right as well.

  71. Rich in NJ December 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    If Cameron doesn’t fit their getting younger mindset, how does DeRosa?

    Writers keep talking about Montero + Hughes + for a 33 year old pitcher with a one year contract, but that makes as much sense as offering Melky + Pena.

  72. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    *****************
    Uncle E, LOVE the new handle!!

    Watch out for those Elementary Penguins singing Hare Krishna ;)

  73. Rich in NJ December 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    “I agree with the thinking that Damon is more or less made for the Yankees at this point.”

    He’s not if it’s for more than one year.

  74. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Why are some still talking about Cameron. The guy is average, he is a former steroid user, he would serve no important role on this team. It would be a waste of money. No more talk about Cameron, Delgado, Glaus, Ryan Church, or any other losers.

    ==

    Considering a report has just name the yankees interest in Cameron, it is perfectly acceptable to discuss him. Additionally, Cameron is far above Delgado, Glaus, and Ryan Church in terms of being a fit for this ball club.

    He is average with the bat (though his power for Cf is considerable), but he is in no way average in the field. Cameron is an elite CFer. One of the top 5.

    UZR/150 for CFers

    1. Franklin Guiterrez (aka Death to Flying Things) 27.1
    2. Colby Rasmus 13.4
    3. BJ Upton (effortless glide) 11.8
    4. Mike ‘Average’ Cameron 10.3
    5. Michael Bourne Ultimatum 8.7
    8. Curtis Granderson 1.6

    Didn’t Qualify
    Brett Gardner 15.4
    Melky 2.3

  75. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Uncle E, LOVE the new handle!!

    Watch out for those Elementary Penguins singing Hare Krishna

    thanks
    its an old one I dusted off

  76. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Patrick,

    If there was a three year offer for Damon he would have taken it already. When things don’t sell, whether they be VIP seats, foreign cars or baseball players, there is no market for them at their price point.

  77. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Not a huge Cameron fan because with Swisher and Granderson in the lineup, adding Cameron leads to a third of the lineup filled with high K guys.

    Not my ideal situation.

    Plus, I think the Yankees will bring back Damon or Matsui, making Cameron a less viable option.

  78. paul.c December 11th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Damon wants 4 yrs 52mm. Yankees want 2 yes 18mm,that’s 34 mm
    difference.
    If Damon/Boras can find a(fool) team to cough up that for an already 36 yr old OF, WITH BAD CALVES,good for them!

    I haven’t heard of a team showing that kind of interest.

  79. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Does anybody have any stats to back that up?

    Brett Gardner, in a limited MLB sample, where UZR really needs about 3 years to get a real feel for a player:

    LF 36.8 UZR/150 over 17 games
    CF 27.6 UZR/150 over 2 half seasons (121 games)

    He has sick range because of his speed, and can get good jumps on balls laterally but obviously needs helps on ball judgement forward and back.

    His arm is average to below average but his release and accuracy are good enough (in my opinion)

    If he played a full season in the majors at LF or CF he’d be top 3. Guys like Carl Crawford put up 17 UZR/150 in LF over a full season. If crawford doesn’t pass an ‘eye test’ then I don’t know who would.

  80. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    SJ44 Okay it wasn’t a steroid. But I don’t understand why some people want Cameron. He is a waste of money. That kind of money good be used for more important areas like pitching.

  81. Tom December 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Mike Cameron? What is this 1999?

  82. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Tom
    December 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    Mike Cameron? What is this 1999?

    **********************
    LOL

  83. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    I do not like Cameron any more than the rest of you, but for one year and cheap money, I cannot imagine having a sick defensive OF with Grandy and Cameron in it.

  84. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Fact: Mike Cameron in 2009 was just as good if not better as Mike Cameron in 1999

  85. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I’m sorry if I seem to be bias. But I am not a Cameron fan.

  86. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Mike Cameron? What is this 1999?

    We’ll party like it when we win the WS with a ridiculous team defense and offense thanks to this lineup and defensive alignment:

    Jeter SS
    Granderson LF
    Texeira 1b
    A-rod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    Swisher RF
    Cameron CF

    Melky OF , Cervelli C, Pena IF, Miranda 1B / DH

  87. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Thanks, Jerkface.

    Well, I guess stats say more than my judgment re: Gardner’s defense. But, as of right now, his offense is not ML worthy. His better than average defense does not make up for his less than ML offense.

  88. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    sorry-That kind of money could be used for more important areas like pitching.

  89. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    “In fact, if it wasn’t for one AB against Lidge and then the double steal, I think very few would be clamoring for his return. He fell off quite a bit in late August until that night in the WS, critical as that play may have been.”

    You are correct about JD’s 2009 WS, post season and end of season. IMO, he’s “baseball old,” his legs get tired by the end of the year if he plays every day and… well, he’s just not getting 4 years and should not be valued at a price that a full time position player would command, more like a DH/part time position guy. IMO, Yankee Johnny version 2010 and 2011 (if there is such a thing) will be getting much more rest and playing the field a lot less.

  90. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    A run saved is the same as a run scored.

  91. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #yanks as much $34 million apart on damon so far — 18 mil for 2 vs. 52 mil for 4. doesnt this have to get done tho?

    Is Heyman out of his mind for suggesting the Yankees do this? LOL

  92. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    White Sox sign JJ Putz for 1 year 3M. Jenks will probably be non-tendered.

  93. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    I still can’t get over how fast that little runt is…

  94. 86w183 December 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Patrick

    You don’t think there’s a difference in playing a corner OF spot as opposed to CF? You can’t be THAT stupid.

    Mike Cameron is a superior defensive CF, but the Yanks don’t need a CF. You don’t trade for Granderson to ask him to learn a new position.

    Your argument makes no sense in any language.

  95. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    DaSaint007,

    Your lineup looks good, however, if they do bring back Matsui to DH (and I hope they do), I don’t see how we can carry 5 OF players. I think it’s more likely that Girardi will want 8 RP’s to start the season (like last year), especially with both Joba and Hughes in the starting rotation. There is always a need for extra relief at the beginning of the season.

  96. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    His better than average defense does not make up for his less than ML offense.

    He had a higher OBP than melky and stole above the break even %.

    Gardner wOBA .337
    Melky wOBA .331

    They are both ‘major league’ hitters who excel in different areas and are looking to improve. They’d fit in well on most other teams, just aren’t good enough to carry a spot for the yankees. As bench players growing into full time players they could both be invaluable.

  97. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    M, wow – I totally disagree. That was a joke of an article by Starks. He’s clueless.

  98. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Nice article on the state of the baseball economy.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....353.column

  99. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Nice article on the state of the baseball economy.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....353.column

  100. Mike RI December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #yanks as much $34 million apart on damon so far — 18 mil for 2 vs. 52 mil for 4. doesnt this have to get done tho?

    What the hell !!. Boras and Heyman are out of there minds !!

  101. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    SJ, as I would love to get Doc, then I’m fine with waiting……though I have no clue what Anthopolous is thinking, what Doc is thinking and what the Angels, Phils or Yanks are thinking. As long as those options are still out there, ok…..

  102. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    All things considered (besides $$), 1 year Cameron? Or 2 years Damon?

  103. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    “I agree with the thinking that Damon is more or less made for the Yankees at this point.”

    “He’s not if it’s for more than one year.”

    I guess I need to clarify: I think Damon’s a fit for the Yankees as opposed to another club

  104. Wave Your Hat December 11th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Cameron is still above average as a hitter. He has been a remarkably consistent above average hitter for a long time. He is only average vs righties, but for the Yanks his real advantage is he beats up on LHP.

    The Yanks would have a lot of strikeout guys if they got him. Typically I don’t worry too much about KOs but I don’t know how so many KO guys would affect the lineup.

  105. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Here is some food for thought: Forget about Damon and Matsui, trade AJ Burnett for Manny Ramirez (Dodgers want and need pitching). Manny can be our primary DH and when Posada, Tex, AROD need a day off (DH), Manny can play left once a week for example. Manny will come off the books after next season which is a plus and Montero can be the DH/backup catcher next year. AJ Burnett will always be his inconsistent self and we can get rid of his salary. Our outfield will consist of Granderson, Gardner and Melky. Our infield will consist of Tex, Cano, Jeter and AROD. Posada at catcher and Manny at DH. Granderson replaces Damon’s bat, Gardner replaces Swisher, less pop, but better in almost every other category and Manny replaces Matsui’s bat, while we get rid of AJ Burnett’s terrible contract. Our outfield defense would be amazing. If we can get Halladay for Joba, Swisher, Romine and Mccallister for example (which is not a terrible offer)or get a third team involved to take on Swisher’s contract then our rotation looks like Halladay, CC, Pettitte, Hughes and say Bedard or Sheets (I’m hoping we somehow retain Wang and let him fully recover). Then next year we try and go after Carl Crawford to play left, shift Granderson to center and have Melky play right with Gardner off the bench as a pinch runner/defensive replacement.

    Lineup:
    CF – Gardner
    SS – Jeter
    1B – Tex
    3B – AROD
    DH – Manny
    LF Granderson
    C- Jorge
    2B – Cano
    RF – Melky

    That’s a pretty well balanced lineup in my opinion with youth, speed, defense and power.

    What do you guys think?

  106. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Mike Cameron is a superior defensive CF, but the Yanks don’t need a CF. You don’t trade for Granderson to ask him to learn a new position.

    Curtis Granderson has played LF before in the majors and minors. 120 games combined.

  107. gfd December 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Cashman has leverage with Boras and Damon.I’ll bet he moves on in two weeks.He’s planned his work and working his plan,if the SI article is accurate.

  108. Rich in NJ December 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    “Fact: Mike Cameron in 2009 was just as good if not better as Mike Cameron in 1999″

    Facts are stubborn things.

  109. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Dodgers would never trade for Burnett, they are doing 1 year deals only for pitching because their owners are divorcing.

  110. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Meant to add before I accidently hit “send” that Damon is a fit for the Yankees, and is valuable to the Yankee lineup as currenlty constructed. I also think, however, that he is far less valuable to other clubs because of his age and less than “complete” remaining skill set.

    IMO, Damon is not a “must sign” for the Yankees at all at any price, but if not Johnny, then Matsui.

  111. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Betsy,

    What?! What did he say that was wrong. Sounds like he liked the deal. Sounds like everyone liked the deal. You usually don’t like any anti-Yankee ink, but I didn’t see any of that. What did you hate about besides Stark’s name? ;)

  112. CD December 11th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Bye Johnnny.

    Bring back Zilla.

  113. 86w183 December 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    JerkFace —

    59 2/3 innings in LF in the last six years is hardly enough for it not to be viewed as a “new position”.

    I also don’t care about strikeouts all that much. Just as I’m not obsessed with OBP which is overrated by many on this board and in baseball in general. I just don’t see the sense in playing musical chairs and spending a lot of money to move a guy from his natural position.

  114. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    m
    December 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    All things considered (besides $$), 1 year Cameron? Or 2 years Damon?

    ——————–

    Cam for 1

  115. m December 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    murphydog,

    Are you saying Damon is a good fit for the Yankees or the Yankees (more accurately Damon’s Deck in NYS) are a good fit for Damon?

  116. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    BigJoe44,

    Actually we need another infielder. Ideally, and infielder/outfielder type could replace one of the 5 outfielders. That’s where someone like Hairston or Hinske was valuable.

    I don’t see them carrying 8 arms out of the pen, as long as Aceves and Gaudin are there, as they are capable of long relief/spot starts.

  117. jennifer December 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Just got back from Meeting Joe G. He was very nice took pictures with people. They allowed him to sign anything. I was bummed I didn’t bring anything with me to have him sign. They did have pictures of him holding the ws trophy and he signed his name with #27 below it.

  118. Tamerlane December 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Did anyone hear Posada basically announce he is retiring after 2010 on Cowherd?

  119. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Jerkface,

    Thanks for the UZR’s for CF’s.

    Gardner at 15.4 makes him possibly the 2nd best CF out there defensively (i understand that he didn’t qualify, so I’m not looking for an argument). Given the fairly even offensive numbers between Gardner and Melky, it will be interesting to see who will win the starting position in LF this year (assuming no further changes are made).
    And yes, I know that both Melky and Gardner are below average at LF, so for the sake of argument, we can put Grandy in LF and the boys fight over CF, but for now, Grandy is our CF.
    (after all, if offense was the only consideration, then Holliday would already be signed for LF)

  120. upstate kate December 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    wow Jennifer, lucky you :) did you at least get some pix?

  121. psst December 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    When Andy Van Slyke(former CF Cardinals,Pirates)was last 3 seasons coach for Tigers,heard that Granderson was traded,he said HE VIEWED Granderson as an LF.

    Andy also said what a stand up kind of guy Curtis truly is.He said if he (Andy)had a daughter,he’d want him in line for their hand.But he has 4 boys.

    Read this in a Philly paper after the trade.

  122. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Infield/Outfield Utility types:
    Hairston
    Hinske
    DeRosa

    DeRosa, 35 will probably get a starting job somewhere, and is a Type B Free Agent. Not likely.
    Hairston is 34 and can play all OF positions, as well as 3B, SS, and 2B.
    Hinske, 32 has pop in his bat, and can play OF and 3B.

    Then there are probably some trade candidates or internal options like Russo.

  123. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Fred
    That has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have heard yet. Trade Burnett for Manny ? First of all the Dodgers wouldn’t do it. Second, Manny is washed up, a former steroid user, not a good club house guy, and he can’t field. Why would you want a guy like that on this team ? It makes no sense.

  124. jennifer December 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    upstate kate

    I got a few, got a good on of Joe and I. His daughter looked bored out of her mind. poor kid.

  125. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Fred,

    That’s really thinking outside of the box..or have you been in the boxing ring too long?

  126. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    59 2/3 innings in LF in the last six years is hardly enough for it not to be viewed as a “new position”.

    I also don’t care about strikeouts all that much. Just as I’m not obsessed with OBP which is overrated by many on this board and in baseball in general. I just don’t see the sense in playing musical chairs and spending a lot of money to move a guy from his natural position.

    Curtis Granderson is a baseball player, not a goldfish. He has experience in LF in the past, its an outfield position which he has played his entire career, and if he can’t re-pick it up in the offseason/spring training then he probably isn’t the baseball player the Yankees thought they traded for.

    Additionally you may think on base is overrated but that is an extremely silly thing to do say. I think its acceptable for people to say ‘all OBP / slugging’ hitters are overrated, but to say that the stat that tracks the fundamental goal of any hitter is overrated is silly.

    I post this seemingly every other day here, but OBP, OPS, and wOBA are 3 stats with the highest statistical correlation to winning. (Ie, teams with high numbers of wins have the highest of those stats generally).

    The Yankees players all represent that.

    Obviously the best combination is a guy who can hit around .300 and then get on base around .400, but we can see the different extremes even just on the yankees and its equally frustrating.

    Cano: high average, low on base
    Swisher: low average, high on base

    Both have their frustrating moments and receive a lot of criticism for it.

  127. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Fred whatever your smoking send it to CT!!

  128. vin December 11th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    “All things considered (besides $$), 1 year Cameron? Or 2 years Damon?

    ——————–

    Cam for 1

    Ditto.

  129. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Jeremy
    Manny would be the primary DH and he would be playing for his hometown team and can you imagine the damage that he would do against the Red Sox (and plus, we would only be obligated to him for one year)….at 17 million per year for the next 4 years, are you confident in Burnett? Did Burnett have more good or bad games? I say BAD, he is the most inconsistent pitcher that I have ever seen.

  130. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    DaSaint007,

    I know they had Pena playing some OF in the minors to make him more valuable/versatile off the bench. I don’t know how that worked out though.
    I agree with Hairston doing what he did last year, but I think his days are done with the Yankees. Picking up Hoffmann in the Rule 5 Draft (assuming he’ll stick), and having the two-headed monster of Melky/Gardner leaves no room for Hairston.

  131. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    “Are you saying Damon is a good fit for the Yankees or the Yankees (more accurately Damon’s Deck in NYS) are a good fit for Damon?”

    I’m kind of saying the first part for the reason stated in the second part.

    Damon’s remaing skills fit the Yankees’ lineup, offensive needs and the Stadium. Yes, playing in a different park and in a different lineup would affect anyone. However, on a team with a lesser lineup in a different park and with poorer pitching, Damon’s limits are much more obvious and his remaing gifts less valuable therefore. He’s a “luxury” kind of player in a sense in that if you can afford to carry his salary demands and his drawbacks, he can be a meaningful piece.

    (Re-reading before I post. Am I spiraling down into drivel?)

  132. Nick in SF December 11th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    “Dodgers would never trade for Burnett, they are doing 1 year deals only for pitching because their owners are divorcing.”

    He’s got 4 years left. After the divorce, that’s 2 years of AJ for each of them. Do it.

  133. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Fred
    Here is another thing. Even if you do make that trade who would replace Burnett’s spot in the rotation ? Makes no sense at all. Please lay off the drugs.

  134. austinmac December 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    If Hughes and Joba are both starters then I believe the bullpen needs help. Dunn is extremely wild. In 11 AFL innings he did strike out 20 but walked 10. His Yankee experience was a bit scary from a control standpoint. Likewise last year in the minors was full of games with control issues. I can’t think of anything worse watching a game than the reliever can’t throw strikes. He is not ready despite having very good stuff.

  135. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    DaSaint007,

    Sorry, I misread ‘infielder’ for fielder.

  136. CR9 December 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Thanks again Jerkface…

    Guess I am wrong on the BG and Melk’s offense.

    For some reason, I am drawn more to Melky, he seems to be more of a contact hitter.

    Any way to find out what their runners on 3rd and less than 2 out stat is?

  137. mike eff December 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    JERKFACE– a question

    ——-

    where did you get the WS Blu ray? i looked at amazon and it is’t available till the 15th. i’d love to get it today thanks

  138. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    AustinMac,

    I agree that is why I said before to get another SP i.e. Lackey, Sheets, Duscherer, and put the dominant Phil back in the pen for a year and our bullpen is stacked

  139. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    For some reason, I am drawn more to Melky, he seems to be more of a contact hitter.

    Any way to find out what their runners on 3rd and less than 2 out stat is?

    By the end of the year both hit around the same amount. Gardner just gets a bum rap because when he makes an out, chances are it looks terrible. Melky has more power potential. Gardner has more patience.

    Go to baseball-reference and then go to batting splits, which lists each year or career, and you can see a bunch of things. Including 3rd lt 2 outs

  140. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Fred
    Yeah and if Burnett didn’t pitch that gem in game 2 the Yankees would have not won the World Series. And Burnett is not a bad pitcher. Yeah he has some bad games but so what. There are a lot of pitchers like that.

    And who cares about the Red Sox and Manny. The Red Sox fans have turned their backs on manny just like Damon. Manny can’t hit, he is not a good clubhouse guys, and a former steroid user. We don’t need that. This team just won the World Series and is the best team in the AL and MLB right now. So please stop with these childish stupid ideas.

  141. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    As much as I like Ramiro Pena, I don’t think that one backup IF will do. That may be the reason in the interest in a DeRosa.

  142. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Hold it… trade AJ Burnett for Manny Ramirez?

    Somebody dial virtual 9111. Fred’s having a seizure…

  143. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Jeremy
    read my initial post. Halladay, CC, Pettitte, Hughes & (Bedard or Sheets).

    Makes plenty off sense in the interim and the long run, so take it easy.

  144. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    jennifer, that’s awesome you got to meet Girardi. I’m jealous!

  145. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    where did you get the WS Blu ray? i looked at amazon and it is’t available till the 15th. i’d love to get it today thanks

    I got a gift card from Steiner Sports ($20 bux!) for signing up for their yankee auctions when I tried to win some Phil Hughes stuff so I bought the Blu-Ray from Steiner. They mailed it early.

    Its very high quality and recommended. The bonus features include commentatorless replays of all the cool postseason moments (all of a-rod’s home runs, walk offs, final outs, player reaction to winning the WS) with multiple angles.

  146. NYY626 December 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    jennifer
    December 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    Just got back from Meeting Joe G. He was very nice took pictures with people. They allowed him to sign anything. I was bummed I didn’t bring anything with me to have him sign. They did have pictures of him holding the ws trophy and he signed his name with #27 below it.
    ____________________________________________________________
    Very cool! This was in times sqaure right? I thought about possibly going at lunch but it would have taken me too long to get back to the office :(

  147. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Why is it such a terrible idea to trade AJ? He has been injury prone his entire career and is extremely inconsistent. I’m not denying the fact that he has nasty stuff, but I saw more bad games thrown by him than good this year. Is he worth 17 million per for the next 4 or 5 years?

  148. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Joe from CT
    Hughes is a starter. Not a bullpen guy. What is with some of you people and this fascination with starters in the pen. Why don’t we put Sabathia in the pen while were at it.

    Hughes was only in the pen this year because there was no room for him in the rotation. Hughes will be a frontline starter like a Jon Lester. So please stop with this stupid Hughes to the bullpen idea.

  149. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    read my initial post. Halladay, CC, Pettitte, Hughes & (Bedard or Sheets).

    Makes plenty off sense in the interim and the long run, so take it easy.

    Are you doing Acid?

  150. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    SJ if you’re out there. I’d appreciate getting your take on wether or not the yanks should go with Joba and Phil in the rotation next year, or should have another experienced arm and have Joba or Phil as the 5 starter ? My take is that they MUST have another arm.

  151. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    now I’ve heard everything.

  152. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Why is it such a terrible idea to trade AJ?

    1. I doubt anyone would trade for him
    2. Your trade target, the Dodgers, will NEVER trade for him

  153. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Fred
    We are not trading the farm and giving a big contract to Halladay. The asking price is too high and will destroy the farm. Manny sucks !

    Man you Arm chair GM’s are worst than Omar Minaya. Some of you would destroy a franchise in a matter of days. Thank God Cashman is the GM !

  154. jennifer December 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    NYY626

    Yep times square. Right across from the Army recruiting building.

  155. mike eff December 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks Jerkface! i will order now

  156. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Why is it such a terrible idea to trade AJ? He has been injury prone his entire career and is extremely inconsistent. I’m not denying the fact that he has nasty stuff, but I saw more bad games thrown by him than good this year. Is he worth 17 million per for the next 4 or 5 years?

    Okay:

    1) You provide the reasons why nobody would do this in your post. For the very reasons you state, nobody would come close to taking on his salary. The Yankees would have to eat salary to move him.

    2) You want Manny Ramirez? No, seriously. Really? Wow…

  157. Fran (the original) December 11th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Want to wish Sam and all of my fellow bloggers who celebrate Chanukah a very happy holiday.

  158. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Joe from CT
    Now if you say that we should put Joba in the pen then I could understand that and go along with that.

    Joba has more of a closer mentality. Hughes has a starter mentality. Don’t screw up Hughes like Joba. Leave him alone and let him develop in the rotation into a frontline starter.

  159. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Wow, we want to dump AJ? I think I can skip about 1/2 the posts on this thread now.

    AS to Damon,

    I don’t want to hear anymore about how he wants so much to come back. Enough already – if he wants to come back that badly, then sign the damn contract. If he doesn’t, shut up and move on.

  160. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Holy cow, AJ is so bad that we want to dump him now? He’s such a terrible pitcher? Oy vey……

  161. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Why entertain someone who doesn’t understand that no-one who just completed the first year of a five year contract, valued at $82.5 million would ever be traded. What would have been the point of doing that in the first place, and further, what would it say about your confidence in that person – it would decrease their trade value.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  162. Pete December 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    I am really curious as to what everyone thinks we should do with Joba and Hughes (and also what you think the Yankees will do). If they are both to be starting pitchers then we are basically have our starting pitching staff for next year (CC, AJ, Pettitte, Joba, Hughes) and I for one would like to see us add someone else (like Lackey or Halladay) because I am not confident that they will both have a good year. It is true if you put one of them in the bullpen, you may be setting back their growth as a starter, but I am pretty confident that either would (and have) done well there and we could use a reliable reliever, which I am not confident we have at this point (obviously besides Mo).

  163. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Jeremy-
    Just curious. What makes you so sure that Joba has more of a closer’s mentality than Phil ? Also, What do You mean be a closer’s mentality ? What’s your definition of it ?

  164. m December 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Aren’t you guys being a little harsh? Fred’s idea would never happen, but that doesn’t mean he’s on drugs.

    In a perfect world, you would be able to trade away AJ’s contract and replace him with a better, cheaper, more reliable pitcher. It’s okay for him to wish for it, but Santa’s not a miracle worker. ;)

  165. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Fred you’re ideas are so dumb that Omar Minaya would be laughing at you.

    Come on ! Do you really think that you could pull off that trade ?
    And Manny is not that good, and we are not trading the farm for Halladay so please stop the dumb trade ideas.

  166. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    86w,

    There is almost no difference in playing LF and CF at Yankee stadium.

    I’ve played both positions in high school and college. There really is very very little difference

  167. upstate kate December 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    The Yankees just won the WS…why do some posters want to trade off the players that got us there? I can’t believe some of this crazy talk…trade AJ…trade Cano…trade Melky…

  168. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Dodgers would trade for Burnett for the simple fact that they want no part of Manny. Manny is due to make 20 million this year and if they can get rid of Manny then Pierre takes his place (the DOdgers rather have Pierre). The Dodgers need pitching. You guys are telling me that Manny at DH is not an upgrade over Matsui. Guys, this is a way to get rid of Burnett’s salary, who can break down at any given moment.

  169. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Dodgers would trade for Burnett for the simple fact that they want no part of Manny. Manny is due to make 20 million this year and if they can get rid of Manny then Pierre takes his place (the DOdgers rather have Pierre). The Dodgers need pitching. You guys are telling me that Manny at DH is not an upgrade over Matsui. Guys, this is a way to get rid of Burnett’s salary, who can break down at any given moment.

    No. Dodgers do not want to trade for Burnett. They would not even sign Randy Wolf to a 2 year deal for less than he got from the brewers. Their GM has said they will not do any long term deals for pitching, its 1 year deals only.

    What don’t you understand?

  170. m December 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I think Phil has a “whatever you want me to do mentality”.

    Regular season bullpen Hughes v. 2009 looked just as good and effective as regular season bullpen Joba v. 2007.

    If Hughes stays healthy, he’s got the potential to be very good.

  171. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    MTU
    Joba could still be a starter but he has more of a closer’s mentality. He is not really a pitcher more of a thrower. He tries to get the ball past guys when he comes out of the pen and he shows a lot of emotion. You can see it. He still could be a starter but you can see him being a closer. Similar to Papelbon who was a starter and became a closer.

    Hughes knows how to pitch, he has could control, knows how to mix his pitches better than Joba, and has a keen sense for pitching. He is not a thrower more of a pitcher in the mold of a Mike Mussina. I don’t see Hughes as a bullpen guy, it would be a waste of his talent to put him in the pen.

  172. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    The Yankees have no interest in Manny Ramirez, his declining skills, and his 20 million dollar contract.

    Next.

  173. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Heyman CLAIMS Damon has a 2 year offer from the Yankees – no word from a Yankees official cited on Heyman’s Tweet – not even from an anonymous source.

    There is no way the Yankees offered Damon 2 years before any other team offered him 1 year.

    If the Yankees pay out Damon 9-10 per year, they’ll be stuck signing a low-dollar reclamation project for the rotation.

    Damon as a 38 year old on his team is a series risk, especially at that dollar amount.

    I’m for giving Lackey his 17 mil, trading for Doumit (3.5 mil) for DH and 3rd string catcher and signing Wang for 2 mil.

    Quit screwing around with the rotation

    That puts us at 40 mil for the offseason.

    Melky’s arby raise equates to the salaries of Bruney, Coke and the minor leaguers traded this offseason.

    Lackey + Doumit + Wang and call it an offseason.

    If you can trade the 3rd string CF (Gardner) for a backup infielder more skilled and more proven than Pena, that’s gravy.

  174. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    As much as I like Ramiro Pena, I don’t think that one backup IF will do. That may be the reason in the interest in a DeRosa.

    DeRosa’s not going to be a utility infielder. For the last two years he’s been an everday player and I’m sure he’s going to expect everyday money.

    There’s really no rush to sign a veteran utility infielder; as we saw with Jerry Hairston and Eric Hinske, those guys can be picked up during the year if you find yourself needing one.

  175. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Also when Joba starts he tends to me more conservative and holds back. Like he thinks to much. Maybe he might improve, but it is looking more like the bullpen might be it for him.

  176. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Yankees don’t go for headcases and aholes anymore. Manny is both. BTW Where is Brandon?

  177. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I had a good post about Joba and Hughes get eaten by the word filter for whatever inane reason. Basically there is no reason to have either in the bullpen.

    Heath Bell has a fiery attitude, Mariano is calm. Closers can have any mentaility or attitude or whatever you want. Its all about getting outs.

    Hughes and Joba have both been starters all their life, they dominated the minors as starters and each have showed major success in the MLB as starters (Joba 2008, some 2009, Hughes 2007/some 2009).

    I’d rather keep Hughes or Joba in the minors and deal with 20 relief innings from Melancon than have Nova or McCallister have to get 5 starts while we stretch Hughes/Joba in case a pitcher goes down.

  178. MB December 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    The blog has actually gone up in quality since you guys have taken over. Now way I would have ever believed that would be possible.

    Chad really brought something to the table with his knowledge of the guys in the minors and I really like how he tells us the little things that surround his big league experience. It is refreshing to hear a guy talk about how cool it is to see really cool things he does see and get to do. Most of us would give our right arms to see and be around the things you guys are, really cool to see somebody appreciate it.

    Sam, is really just a very good writer who happens to be knowledgeable about sports. Sam would be good writing about septic systems. Glad he is writing about the Yanks instead.

    Even Josh (is Josh still involved in the blog?) really was putting some good info together when I saw his post.

    Best blog on the net, best place for Yanks info during the season and you guys still do a great job in the off season as well.

  179. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Yo jerkface
    I do understand that the name suites you well and I do understand the Dodgers finances and that is why I am only suggesting…I understand this this would never happen, but one can only wish.

  180. mick December 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    There is almost no difference in playing LF and CF at Yankee stadium.

    I’ve played both positions in high school and college. There really is very very little difference
    ———————————————————–
    right. that tricky corner in left is the same as the one in center. and yes the LFer has to cover the gap in right like the CFer does. don’t forget that LF sun either.

  181. m December 11th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    On point re: Melky Cabrera and Andy Pettite imo.

  182. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    I do understand that the name suites you well and I do understand the Dodgers finances and that is why I am only suggesting…I understand this this would never happen, but one can only wish.

    You’re suggesting very forcefully. “Wahhh why wouldn’t they guys!! This is a chance to get rid of AJ!!” , Its not a chance if you’re just making up a ridiculous dream scenario.

    Why don’t we dump Gardner for Albert Pujols while we’re at it?

  183. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Hughes said he wants to be a starter. The Yankees are not going to waste good arms, guys who can be good starters in the pen.

    I don’t understand this thing with some fans wanting every rotation arm going into the pen. You can’t win a game if your losing from the get go. So having a good pen would be worthless.

  184. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Regarding Damon, I think San Fran could come in and spoil the Yankees plans for getting him on the cheap. If they’re seriously out on Bay and Holliday I think that makes Damon the third best FA outfielder available (offensively anyway) and the Giants are in desperate need of that offense.

    If Damon doesn’t come back, my first choice remains a trade for David DeJesus, but of the free agent options I would have to say Mike Cameron. Offensively he and DeRosa are a wash but Cameron is a better outfielder. If we’re to believe that the magic powers of Kevin Long are going to get Nick Swisher and Curtis Granderson up to .280 – .300 then maybe he can do something for Cameron too.

    At that point I go with the best defensive outfield I can field – which has Melky in RF, Granderson in CF and Cameron in LF. Move Swisher to DH.

    I know that Joe will freak out and say Swisher is too high energy to be a DH – to which I say “tough” he’ll get over it. As for him never having DHed before I say he’ll learn. And as for the final argument that you don’t waste a 29-year old Swisher at DH I say, “well you do if he is your worst defensive player and you want to keep his bat in the lineup.”

  185. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    True. Given the dimensions of LF at YS, Melky makes sense as the LF/backup CF. There is no need for a 3rd string CF (Gardner) or Damon. Hoffman can play all 3 OF positions and hit lefties.

    Cashman needs to get creative for DH and make another buy-low trade for RYAN DOUMIT

  186. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    right. that tricky corner in left is the same as the one in center. and yes the LFer has to cover the gap in right like the CFer does. don’t forget that LF sun either.

    At any outfield position you’re going to have to a play a ball off the wall at some point. The corner isn’t that tricky. Its not like Yankee stadium has any gimmick dimensions outside of a shorter RF.

    LF and CF are both expansive. Regardless, this whole discussion is moot because Granderson has played LF before so he has seen the spin and slice off the bat from that point of view.

  187. m December 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    From the article I just linked. There go the Sox trashing the character of their players after they’re done with them:

    Losers
    1. Mike Lowell: His previously pristine reputation took a small hit when Boston had to pay $9 million of the $12 million remaining on his contract to be rid of him in a deal that’s likely to be finalized next week (they are just checking Lowell’s surgically repaired hip) for good-hitting prospect Max Ramirez, whose poor work habits annoyed his bosses. And while Texas people were pleased to be getting a very smart guy with a nice personality in Lowell (as opposed to original target Milton Bradley), people who communicate often with the Red Sox front office painted Lowell in another light after the deal was agreed to — that of an occasionally disgruntled clubhouse guy (that’s certainly not the Lowell I remember more than a decade ago coming up with the Yankees). Plus, having been traded two seasons into his three-year, $36-million contract, he has to wonder why he didn’t take the $45 million offer Philly made that included a no-trade following his 2007 World Series MVP season.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0ZPZ7aVOX
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  188. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Hughes said he wants to be a starter. The Yankees are not going to waste good arms, guys who can be good starters in the pen.

    Joba has also said he wants to be a starter. Its all about the money.

  189. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Jeremy-
    You do realize that throughout college and the minors, and when drafted Joba was seen as a potential frontline starter.
    The Yankees tested him as a closer and not surprisingly he was quite good at that too. Joba may have a “closer’s mentality” as you say but he has a starter’s pitch repetoire.I think just like Hughes a potentially great starter can become a great closer but not necessarily the other way around.I think it would be a waste to put Joba in the bullpen prematurely just as it would be for Hughes to go there w/o knowing either pitcher’s full potential as a Starter.

  190. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Don’t see Lackey getting more AAV than AJ Burnett did last year.

    Why would anybody want Manny Ramirez on this team?

    Did you see him play last year? He’s a shell of his former self.

    He is exactly what this team doesn’t need. Especially at the expense of pitching.

  191. mick December 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Regarding Damon, I think San Fran could come in and spoil the Yankees plans for getting him on the cheap. If they’re seriously out on Bay and Holliday I think that makes Damon the third best FA outfielder available (offensively anyway) and the Giants are in desperate need of that offense.
    ——————————————————–
    right. wait till johnnys legs break down, he’d be perfect in the NL. DH johnny is what he should be called.

  192. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Cash will be on WFAN at 3:05 est.

  193. timo December 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    DaSaint007
    December 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
    Why entertain someone who doesn’t understand that no-one who just completed the first year of a five year contract, valued at $82.5 million would ever be traded. What would have been the point of doing that in the first place, and further, what would it say about your confidence in that person – it would decrease their trade value.

    ______________________________________

    In concept, the Braves are about to do exactly that with Derek Lowe after the first year of his 4/60 contract. And I am very interested to see how that turns out.

  194. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    A-Rod may still need a day off a week, and Jeter could use a spell every couple weeks or so. Cano can use rest once a month. Pena may be enough, but he may not.

    Many veteran, ‘everyday’ type players, given the opportunity to play for a team that’s most likely to contend for the World Series, jump at that opportunity, over starting on a team with a much lower chance of contention.

    That said, I don’t think he’s the most likely candidate.

  195. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    I say they sign Lackey and let Joba/Hughes battle for the final rotation spot.

    If Joba wins, Hughes stays in the rotation in AAA and acts as an emergency starter and replacement for Pettitte after 2010.

    If Hughes wins, Joba goes to the pen where he becomes a dominant closer tried and tested by NY pressure.

    Also, getting Lackey demolishes the Angels rotation and they are one tough team to contend with.

  196. m December 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Hey, I don’t want Phil to be a reliever. I was just responding to the person who said that Joba could close. I personally believe that Hughes could be a closer, too.

    I think both could be starters. But it “seems” like Joba is more comfortable in one role than the other.

  197. mick December 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    From the article I just linked. There go the Sox trashing the character of their players after they’re done with them:
    ——————————————————
    Typical move by a low class organization.

  198. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    They aren’t trading for David DeJesus and Nick Swisher isn’t going to be the DH.

    They will fill out the roster intelligently, just like they built this team, and it won’t include putting guys in positions that don’t play to their strengths.

  199. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    M –

    I agree that Melky should likely be a fourth outfielder. That said, I think he winds up starting in one of the two corners.

    The Yankees will probably just make one more offensive signing, either a LF (Damon/Cameron) and move Swisher to DH and Melky in RF or a DH (Damon/Matsui) and play Melky in LF.

    The only way Melky goes back to the bench full-time is if the Yankees sign two more offensive players (which I highly doubt), or if Jamie Hoffmann completely outplays him this spring and grabs the spot away from him. I think Gardner is completely out of the mix.

  200. CD December 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    According to Feinsand

    “if Damon is unwilling to take a two-year contract in the next two weeks or so, a source said the Yankees would likely turn their attention to Hideki Matsui, who is willing to accept a one-year deal to return to the Bronx. The Yankees could also pursue either Mark DeRosa or Mike Cameron if they don’t bring back Damon, the source said.”

  201. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Jonathan Papelbon was a closer in college, the Red Sox tried to turn him into a starter because they are morons and were completely surprised when his fastball velocity dipped to the 80′s deep in the game and by his lack of secondary pitches.

    Joba had 3 plus pitches coming out of college and an emerging 4th and hit 97 in the 7th inning of minor league starts.

    Please, everyone stop with this ‘joba is born for the bullpen’ junk. Bullpen pitchers don’t have an electric fastball, biting slider, roll off the table curve, and a fading change up. They also don’t maintain velocity deep into games.

  202. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    If Fred wants to dream, let him.

    I’d like to see Dave Winfield back patrolling RF!!!

  203. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Hughes has stated he wants to be on the Major League club not AAA. He spent a full year on the Yankees last year, why would we demote him to AAA?

  204. Pat M. December 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    AJ Burnett to LA for Mannywood ??? I’m at a lost for words

  205. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    CD
    December 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    According to Feinsand

    “if Damon is unwilling to take a two-year contract in the next two weeks or so, a source said the Yankees would likely turn their attention to Hideki Matsui, who is willing to accept a one-year deal to return to the Bronx.

    *******************
    :D

  206. mick December 11th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    I’d like to see Dave Winfield back patrolling RF!!!
    ——————————————————
    Dave played left for us.

  207. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Fred
    Just stop. You’re ideas are so stupid that Omar Minaya wouldn’t even do them.

  208. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 11th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    “right. that tricky corner in left is the same as the one in center. and yes the LFer has to cover the gap in right like the CFer does. don’t forget that LF sun either.”

    Don’t talk about something you know nothing about. There are slight changes here and there but to say a 37 year old outfielder (86w’s original argument) can’t move over to LF is absurd.

    And as Jerkface says, if Cameron were acquired it’d be a better move to put Granderson in LF and he does have experience there.

  209. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Here is the most likely scenario occurring (in my opinion):

    - Cash decides not to try and beat the kind of deals handed out to the ‘rehab crew’ due to Boston making it trendy last season. We don’t get sheets or anyone, maybe Wang on a cheaper deal

    - We sign Chapman

    - Hughes maintains his awesome discipline in the offseason, comes into camp manly and powerful

    - Joba realizes he was gassed by the end of the season and comes into camp fit

    - Both impress , both start in the rotation

    - End the season with a combined 25 wins , less than 20 combined losses, Joba pitches 190 IP, Hughes 175

  210. Sal December 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    What about Randy Winn? We need him.

  211. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Jerkface,

    Joba actually topped 100 a few times in the 7th inning of his minor league starts. I knew the guy who was charting his pitches.

  212. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    They will fill out the roster intelligently, just like they built this team, and it won’t include putting guys in positions that don’t play to their strengths.

    Sigh…alright…let’s look at it this way:

    If the Yankees sign Cameron. Your choices at DH are: Swisher, Melky, Juan Miranda. Who do you think it will be?

    Melky defensively is better than Swisher correct? Correct. So if you’re going to play both of them wouldn’t it be intelligent to put your best defensive outfielders in the outfield? Yes, yes it would. So unless MLB changes its rules on positions the only spot left for Swisher is DH.

  213. Tim December 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    AJ for Manny would be a great trade for the Yankees

    Too bad LAD would never do it. Why would they want a 33 yr old Burnett making $16 million for the next 4 years? Manny’s contract expires after this season

  214. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    You know what that Feinsand quote tells me? Nothing. It tells me that there are rumors about the Yankees negotiating with Damon and Matsui and that they’re willing to sign either of them for the right price. The years and dollar figures – NO WAY – are we privy to those details.

    When the Yankees really want to sign a guy they sit down with him like they did with Pettitte and you know about it from start to finish.

    For all we know, the Yanks are making a ‘good faith’ effort to sign 2 fan favorites coming off a WS championship. We don’t know if they’re truly interested in bringing either back or if they are publicly portraying themselves to be interested to appease the fans.

  215. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Jerkface
    I am one of the those guys who wanted Joba in the rotation. But if he goes to the pen it would be alright.

    Do you think Joba’s low velocity was because of him not being in shape this year as well as the after effects of the shoulder injury ? or just him not being in shape ?

    Because in 2008 when he was in the rotation he was throwing 95+.

  216. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Why don’t we dump Gardner for Albert Pujols while we’re at it?

    How does the above trade compare to AJ for Manny?

  217. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    if Matsui is willing to go 1 year, then I’d sign him regardless of what Damon is going to do. I hope they get him back. Watching the Swings he took in the WS, its obvious he can still hit and should still hit next season.

    HR vs pedro #1: Low curveball, went down and got it, armed it out of the park

    HR vs Pedro #2: Fastball outside, bodied it out

    HR in philly: Took a high outside fastball the other way, barrelled it

    bases loaded single: Just went with the pitch, high and away

    Double: Pitch middle outside fading away, carried it almost out of the park, VS A LEFTY

    He is obviously a smart hitter too, which isn’t always brought up. He said the first HR vs pedro was the same sequence he threw him in 2003. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

  218. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    m-
    I agree with most of what you said where I differ is in the more subjective part of your evaluation wherein you use the “seems” more comfortable in one role than another. Comfort and ability may have very outcomes on pitching results. Does a pitcher have to be “comfortable” as you say to be effective ? Wouldn’t his ability, or his stuff have more to do with the final outcome ?

  219. m December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Hughes said he wanted to be with the big club because he didn’t want to be sent down in the middle of the season.

    But if it came to one slot short for him, you bet your booty he’d agree to start out in AAA waiting by the phone for the first callup.

    If it’s between building up your innings and refining your game in AAA this season with a chance to anchor the 2011 rotation with no IP limits and being a setup guy in 2010 he’d choose the former.

    We all know if we make the postseason, Phil will be on it no matter where he begins the season.

  220. Phil December 11th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Enough of this Manny nonsense.

  221. uhh not really December 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    tampayank
    December 11th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    “Kevin asks: In your opinion, who defines the years ‘96-’09: Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter?

    Kevin, I love Mo as much as anyone, but it’s got to be Jeter. He’s the guy who will be associated with this Yankees run for years and years to come.”

    I’d go with Mo, I think he has been key for the 5 Championships…ofcourse Jeter is the face of the franchise and deals w/ the media more but I would argue you could take away at least 3 of those titles without Mo on the mound in the 9th
    ——————————————————–
    MO wasn’t really needed in at least 2 of those 5 championships – and lets PLEASE not forget 2001 and 2004 – those losses were all on MO…
    and really who gives a flying fig about who defines what – that questions really shows the guy has absolutely no life to even ask – its called a team for a reason…

  222. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    M, I didn’t think Starks’ article was at all complimentary to Granderson. He basically said that the Yankees got him because he’s well spoken; the article was an itemization of his flaws. That’s not what bothered me, though – the guy is off his rocker. Coke was reliable? Only if you’re the opposing team. Kennedy was a top prospect? A key reason why we didn’t get Santana ? Wow….that’s not even close to the truth. The Yankees didn’t want to give up Kennedy along with Phil – Phil was the centerpiece of that deal. When the Twins suggested Wang and Kennedy instead, that was another dealbreaker. In both cases, Kennedy was the minor piece…..If he had been the centerpiece, the Yanks would have traded him in a heartbeat. I think he also overstated Jackson’s abilities if I recall, but I won’t focus on that since I don’t really recall. It’s just hard to take this guy seriously when he got so much wrong.

  223. upstate kate December 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Jeremy
    LOL, that was a perfect response

  224. mick December 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Granderson was not brought here to play LF. Stop talking nonsense for the sake of shooting off your mouth. Granderson was brought here as a missing link in Yankee tradition of a dominant CF. To move him to left is ludicrous. Stop trying to show how smart you are, it works in reverse, even though you were a great little league CF.

  225. Doreen December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Hi – just got in from Christmas shopping and catching up here. As is my habit, I listen to MLB on XM radio while out in my car. Apparently there is a population of people out there that believe the Red Sox are laying low, waiting for the right moment to swoop in with ‘THE’ offer for Halladay and they will be the ultimate procurer of said pitcher because they have the necessary chips. Ahem.

    Okay.

    Also, there is a population “out there” that doesn’t think Matsui will be back with the Yankees and that he’s not even being considered by the Yankees.

    Okay.

    And, there’s a population “out there” that says the Yankees need to get back CMW with an incentive laden deal – while admitting that they know absolutely nothing about his contractual situation.

    So -

    There are all these people on television, radio, and probably in print, who offer opinions as “experts” who have LESS information than many of the people who frequest this virtual meeting spot.

    So -

    I have learned to take EVERYTHING, every opinion (stated as fact, no less) that I hear on the airwaves with a HUGE grain of salt, and have learned that it is merely opinion, sometimes informed and most times not, and if you are the type of fan that searches out as much information on a team or a player as you possibly can, your opinion carries at least as much weight as people getting paid to talk.

  226. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Tim
    How is A.J. for Manny a great trade ? We would lose a pitcher. You guys realize we just won the World Series !

    Are you and Fred in middle school? Because this sounds like an idea from a kid.

  227. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Jerkface,

    If we sign Chapman and have both Phil and Joba in the rotation that gives us 6 SP.

  228. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Do you think Joba’s low velocity was because of him not being in shape this year as well as the after effects of the shoulder injury ? or just him not being in shape ?

    His injury and the fact he didn’t get in good enough shape before the season. Next season will be a test. They have to start him next season. AAA or the majors, no bullpen.

    If his velocity doesn’t return to 95+ on his 4 seamer then I’d trade him for whatever I can get.

    If the injury took away his best pitch then I wouldn’t bother making him a reliever. Its such a waste of his value.

  229. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    M, It’s ludicrous. We’re not talking Pavano here. Ok, AJ was inconsistent, but he was by no means bad; he won some very important games for us early in the season. Need I remind about WS game 2? Forget the salary thing for an instant, I don’t get why AJ was so bad that people would want to dump him. He’s a good (not great pitcher) who is a very good guy and well-liked in the clubhouse.

  230. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    How in the world would Feinsand know Matsui is ‘willing’ to go 1 year?

    Is Matsui handling his negotiations through the press?

    If so, he’s an idiot.

    Since he’s not an idiot, we don’t know jack about what he’s willing or unwilling to do.

    It’s that simple.

  231. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Chapman isn’t going to be in the majors next year. We’ll sign him to a minor league deal with a very nice bonus and incentives for him to pitch in the majors when he is ready.

  232. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Damon is in a box. Which is why I think he takes the Yankees offer.

    If he doesn’t, they sign Matsui to DH and could very well sign Cameron to play CF, moving Granderson to LF.

    The beauty of that plan is both Matsui and Cameron will have 1 year deals and Granderson is very cheap, given his production.

    The K’s would be up, which is a bit worrisome. However, its mitigated by Matsui hitting behind Arod and the improved OF defense.

    That would give the Yankees their best defensive OF in years. They would probably then trade Melky and put the 3+ million he was going to get this year toward another arm.

    That will still leave money over to bring in an arm.

    Especially since I don’t believe Matsui will get more than 6-7 million on the open market.

    If Johnny is smart, he takes the Yankees offer. If he drinks Scott’s Kool Aid, he could be a man without a team come Mid-January.

    Its the beauty of the Yankees position right now. They have a variety of options to round out the team and none of them are really bad options.

  233. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Also, there is a population “out there” that doesn’t think Matsui will be back with the Yankees and that he’s not even being considered by the Yankees.

    ******************
    Doreen, I don’t like this population. ;)

  234. Regis December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Is Tony Womack available to help our club?

  235. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    If we sign Chapman and have both Phil and Joba in the rotation that gives us 6 SP.

    Chapman’s a good 2 years away from being Show Ready. Think of him like Michael Inoa rather than Dice-K.

  236. Nick in SF December 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    “Sam would be good writing about septic systems.”

    The Red Sox already have plenty of people writing about them.

  237. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Joe-
    Even if the Yanks sign Chapman he will not be ready for the majors right away.

  238. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    m
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Hughes said he wanted to be with the big club because he didn’t want to be sent down in the middle of the season.
    But if it came to one slot short for him, you bet your booty he’d agree to start out in AAA waiting by the phone for the first callup.
    If it’s between building up your innings and refining your game in AAA this season with a chance to anchor the 2011 rotation with no IP limits and being a setup guy in 2010 he’d choose the former.
    We all know if we make the postseason, Phil will be on it no matter where he begins the season.

    Damned straight.

  239. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Regis
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
    Is Tony Womack available to help our club?

    Brovo my good man

  240. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    2011 Rotation, if 2010 goes the way I think it will:

    CC
    AJ
    Hughes
    Joba
    Chapman/Pettitte/McCallister/Nova (pending any trades for Roy Halladay)

    On the way to world series #29 >:)

    Every report I’ve read of Chapman stressed that he is inconsistent and needs refining, he is also young. I’d like to see Nardi get with him and Eiland in spring training. Give him reaptable mechanics, if it takes away his 100 mph fastball at the expense of a fluctuating 88-100 velocity I’ll take it. If Chapman can throw consistent 95 he’ll be a beast.

  241. Erin December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Nick in SF
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
    “Sam would be good writing about septic systems.”

    The Red Sox already have plenty of people writing about them.

    ******************
    Nice, Nick! LOL

  242. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    “There is no way the Yankees offered Damon 2 years before any other team offered him 1 year. ”

    They might if they are pressuring him to make a decision now. “Here it is, our last and best offer. It just gets worse from here and if we sign someone else in the meantime, offer revoked. You know how to reach me.”

  243. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Jerkface
    Matsui actually recalled how Pedro pitched him in 2003 and how it was the same in 2009 ? Wow ! That’s impressive.

  244. Fred December 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Jeremy
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    Tim
    How is A.J. for Manny a great trade ? We would lose a pitcher. You guys realize we just won the World Series !

    Are you and Fred in middle school? Because this sounds like an idea from a kid.

    AJ wouldn’t be that hard to replace.

    Jeremy – answer the question, did AJ have more good or bad starts in 2009 for the Yankees?

  245. mick December 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    If Johnny is smart, he takes the Yankees offer. If he drinks Scott’s Kool Aid, he could be a man without a team come Mid-January.
    ———————————
    Maybe Johnny should talk with Arod about Scott’s negotiating skills of late. Johnny come crawling back won’t work as well as Alex did, esp with Hank out of the picture.

  246. m December 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    mtu,

    I don’t really know what you’re getting at, but when I say “seems” it’s just because of what is said around here and what is seen on the mound. Joba in the bullpen this season looked a lot more confident than Joba in the rotation.

    I don’t care where he ends up, but I think his spotty control would hinder him less as a reliever. Being a reliever might add some velocity which seems to have faded a bit.

    All I know is that he irritated me in Seattle (?). He was cruising, dominating. He’s waiting for the ball in the middle of his start, bopping his head to someone’s walkup music. Next thing you know he’s getting shelled and then eventually chased. I’ve never seen any pitcher bopping on the mound in the middle of a game. Well, maybe Swisher did. :)

  247. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Damon has an offer according to Boras’ key media pawn – John Heyman. The rumors he floats should be discarded immediately.

  248. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    “Damon is in a box. Which is why I think he takes the Yankees offer.

    If he doesn’t, they sign Matsui to DH and could very well sign Cameron to play CF, moving Granderson to LF.”

    ————————

    Damon’s really not in that big of a box – Will he get the 4 year $52 mil that Heyman says he’s asking for? No, but he’ll still have other offers (San Fran)

    The Yankees aren’t moving Granderson to LF – they are touting him as their best CF since Bernie – Cashman in fact said that Granderson is their CF and he’s not moving. If they bring Cameron on board, Cameron will be playing LF.

    I do not see the Yankees making two more offensive additions to the roster. At this point it’s a choice between: Damon, Matsui, Cameron, Dye…not a combination.

  249. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Matsui actually recalled how Pedro pitched him in 2003 and how it was the same in 2009 ? Wow ! That’s impressive.

    Its not on the blu-ray but in his interview after the game that night for the regular broadcast he mentioned that Pedro threw him a similiar sequence in 2003 where he doubled off of him, its how he was able to completely launch a curveball that was heading towards his feet. It wasn’t a bad pitch, but Matsui was sitting on it.

    In the Blu-Ray he says he was waiting for a specific pitch and got a good pitch to hit, but looking at the pitch it wasn’t a good pitch to hit.

    Its only a good pitch to hit if you knew it was coming :)

  250. BigJoe44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    mick,

    Winfield played for the Yankees from 1981-1990. He started 78 games in CF, 350 games in LF, and 719 games in RF.

  251. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Everybody in baseball views Chapman as a guy who will need 1, perhaps 2 years in the minors before being major league ready.

    That’s why his price is dropping.

    The Yankees acquired Granderson with the idea that if necessary, he could move to LF. A lot of people in the game believe he would be a better LF than CF at this stage of his career. That versatility was another selling point in doing the deal.

    Matsui is only going to get a one year deal. He has no 2 year offers out there and its doubtful one will materialize?

    Why? Because teams don’t want to tie up money on guys who can only DH for more than one year.

    If the Yankees get tired of waiting on Boras, and offer Matsui a 1 year 6-7 million dollar deal, I bet he takes it.

    That’s what Boras has to be careful of in these negotiations.

    If the Yankees sign Matsui, they have their DH and they will go in a different direction, or reduce the Damon offer even more, in the next couple of weeks.

    That’s why I think cooler and smarter heads will prevail in the Damon Camp soon and he will accept the Yankees offer.

  252. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Phil can not develop his pitches in ST if he’s in a competition. I would prefer he go to AAA – if the Yanks insist he go to the pen, then trade him.

    SJ, I thought the Yankees self-imposed cap (budget) was not hard and fast; my impression is that if they want someone, they won’t let the budget get in the way. Therefore, will they only go after pitching if they can get Damon/Matsui/Cameron on the cheap?

  253. pat December 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    cashman is on wfan

  254. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Maybe Johnny should talk with Arod about Scott’s negotiating skills of late. Johnny come crawling back won’t work as well as Alex did, esp with Hank out of the picture.

    Boras did just get Pudge Rodriguez a 2 year $6 mil deal and did a pretty good job for Derek Lowe, Ollie Perez, and Mark Teixeira last year.

    Not to mention Alex did wind up with 300 mil.

  255. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Cash just emphasized that they need pitching and that he can’t do everything (in response to a Q from Mike as to whether it would be possible to re-sign both Matsui and Damon)

  256. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Joba in the bullpen this season looked a lot more confident than Joba in the rotation.

    I agree, which is why I want them to sign Lackey and put Joba in the pen if he loses the competition with Hughes for spot 5 or put Hughes in the AAA roation as first callup in 2010 and replacement for Andy’s spot after 2010 if Hughes loses in ST.

    Either way, Lackey + Joba/Phil is > Halladay.

    It’s simple.

  257. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    The Yankees acquired Granderson with the idea that if necessary, he could move to LF. A lot of people in the game believe he would be a better LF than CF at this stage of his career. That versatility was another selling point in doing the deal.

    Actually on WFAN just now Cashman said that the fact that he brings power to a premium position in CF was the primary reason they went after Granderson.

  258. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    I get the idea the Yanks are not interested in Chapman…..

  259. G. Love December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    I think Chip and Fred need their own blog.

  260. Tom in NJ December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    “Yankees Face Decision on Chien-Ming Wang”

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ming-wang/

  261. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Cash: he’d like another starter, but the pricetags on these pitchers are prohibitive at this point.

  262. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Cash just emphasized that they need pitching and that he can’t do everything (in response to a Q from Mike as to whether it would be possible to re-sign both Matsui and Damon)

    Sounds to me like one more move with the lineup and then he’s done with bats and will focus only on pitching.

  263. mick December 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Winfield played for the Yankees from 1981-1990. He started 78 games in CF, 350 games in LF, and 719 games in RF.
    ——————————————————-
    my bad, must have blocked out the mid 80′s from my memory bank, not memorable years.

  264. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Chip,

    It doesn’t matter what YOU see. It matters how the YANKEES see things.

    They may very well offer Matsui a deal next week. If he does, and the Japanese media (unlike the US media) don’t report rumors, have said they will.

    If they offer Matsui, and he accepts, Johnny is down to a 1 year, 8 million dollar offer, or he’s gone.

    There is no indication anywhere the SF Giants have any interest in Johnny Damon.

    In fact, the Giants are spending more time with Boras (whom Brian Sabean HATES like poison) on Adrian Beltre than on Damon or Matt Holliday, two other Boras clients.

    Understanding team needs and the relationships between agents and GM’s are more important than just throwing names out there.

    Certain GM’s have better relationships with agents than other guys.

    Brian Sabean and Scott Boras could sell PPV tickets for a steel cage match between the two of them. The hate runs that deep.

    Sabean is not bailing Scott out on Johnny Damon. That’s an option that isn’t on the table right now and probably won’t be.

  265. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Betsy
    Hughes is not going to learn anything in the minors. He is done there, even David Cone said bringing him back to the minors is a waste.

    He will be in the rotation, period !

  266. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Phil can not develop his pitches in ST if he’s in a competition. I would prefer he go to AAA – if the Yanks insist he go to the pen, then trade him.

    I think he can. I forget what place I read it, but in an article I read the subject was on pitchers not being able to work on pitches in the majors. It went on to say that most pitcher’s don’t work on pitches in the minors anyways, they might throw it in some situations they wouldn’t normally but no one throws 50% changeups. The percentages of throwing the pitch might be the same.

    The area where they learn to throw pitches is in their side session and change ups. Hughes probably throws 10 or so changeups in a side session/bullpen inbetween starts. Once he gets a feel for it that he likes he can throw it more in a game.

    I wouldn’t be worried about him working on pitches. He will do it. How do you think he learned a cutter so fast? Hughes has commented that he hasn’t found a comfort zone with the change yet, but he is normally able to pick up pitches fast (which makes me wonder if he shouldn’t work in a split or something instead, or go after another different grip for the change).

    He picked up his curve in a couple of weeks and his cutter in equally fast times. (the curve story is based on a nardi interview)

  267. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Betsy -high on pie
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    I get the idea the Yanks are not interested in Chapman…..

    Same here

  268. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    If the Yankees sign Cameron, Granderson will most definitely be moved to LF. This is not a popularity contest. Cameron is a better CF than Granderson, so he will play CF. It is simple as that.

    Granderson was not brought here to be the “next great Yankee CF.” He was brought here to play baseball for the Yankees and will play the position that gives the Yankees the best chance to win.

    I can only imagine Cashman telling Girardi, “Listen, I know Cameron is better than Grandy in CF, but I brought Granderson here to be the NY Yankees CF so that is where he will play”

  269. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    m-
    I guess all I am really saying is that Attitude might be “fixable” whereas you can’t teach talent. Joba may have some attitude issues (which hopefully can be corrected) but if healthy and in shape has a world of talent.

  270. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Nick Swisher was brought in here last year to play 1B.

    What happened when the Yankees signed a better 1B?

  271. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I wrote side session and change ups but I meant bullpens. I had change ups on the brain! (like hopefully phil hughes does)

  272. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    “All I know is that he irritated me in Seattle (?). He was cruising, dominating. He’s waiting for the ball in the middle of his start, bopping his head to someone’s walkup music. Next thing you know he’s getting shelled and then eventually chased. I’ve never seen any pitcher bopping on the mound in the middle of a game. Well, maybe Swisher did.”

    It’s those kinds of things, the ahem, “intangibles,” that go along way to deciding someone’s fate on a team (or on a job or in a marriage for that matter) as much if not more than potential. It’s those unguarded moments, those glimpses we get into the guy’s brain, that help us form an opinion about someone.

    It may be that he just vapor locked, but it doesn’t speak well. There are other moments, like when he was feuding with Posada, where he’s shown a lot of junk in the head. Obviously he has a boatload of potential, but it’s those other things that make you wonder.

    Say what you want about Hughes, he’s a very different guy. Maybe no fist pump or 100 mph fastball, but more of the Mariano Rivera cool on the mound.

    All that said, both have the potential to be good. It takes all kinds. I think a lot is expected from these two this year. Might be an up or out year for each.

  273. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Chip,

    The last thing Brian Cashman is going to do is tip his hand on what he wants to do.

    If they don’t re-sign Damon, and decide to sign Cameron, somebody is moving to LF.

    Mike Cameron is a better defensive CF than Curtis Granderson.

    Guess who is moving?

  274. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Of course Cashman would like to add another starter. It’s gonna happen. I just hope it’s a proven commodity like Lackey rather than a reclamation project like Sheets.

    Cashman can find a cost-effective hitter at DH.

    With Lackey in the rotation, we put the Angels far behind us next year.

  275. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Fred
    Youre argument is stupid because if A.J. had more bad starts than good ones A.J. would not have had a winning record for the end of the season.

    And it’s not that easy to replace a pitcher with a thin market in terms of pitching this year, The team won the World Series, A.J. pitched some big game for the team, I trust Cashman more than you, and your ideas are not smart.

  276. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Wow, Cash just loves Dunn- he says he’s suspect because of his control issues, but if he harnesses them, he could be spectacular
    Also says that if they got a “project” pitcher, he’d likely compete with Joba/Phil. If they got a stud, they’d have to sit down and discuss what to do.

  277. mick December 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    He will be in the rotation, period !
    —————————————–
    Cash? Is that you? No you’re on WFAN as we speak.

  278. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Good thing the Yankees won’t be signing Mike Cameron because Granderson will be playing CF and Melky will be there in LF and backup CF.

  279. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Hughes and Chamberlain aren’t going to AAA next year.

    If they get another starter, they will compete for the 5th spot in the rotation.

    The guy who doesn’t get it, will be Mo’s setup guy.

  280. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    The last thing the Yankees are worried about right now is the Angels.

    As it stands right now they could very well finish in 3rd place in the AL West.

  281. pat December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Cashman should just come right out and say, no one else is getting signed until I see where the pitching market is.

    He’s not spending another penny for a position player that he could use to get a pitcher at this point.

  282. Matt December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Money aside, Johnny Damon likes NYC and what it’s offered he and Michelle.
    He also lives an easy commute from Orlando to Steinbrenner Field in Tampa for 6 weeks of spring training.
    Uprooting and going to a west coast team is not ideal and Scott Boras is well aware of all the factors. The big commission for Boras this year will come from Matt Holliday.

  283. mick December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Also says that if they got a “project” pitcher, he’d likely compete with Joba/Phil. If they got a stud, they’d have to sit down and discuss what to do.

    Betsy, sound like Cash is leaning toward Joba in the pen unless he wows him. Sounds like a challenge to the young man, to me.

  284. CountryClub December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    I’m sure some people will have a different opinion, but it sure sounded like Cash is getting another pitcher and that one of Joba/Hughes will be the odd man out.

    He also said that Melancon has a higher ceiling than Robertson. Good to see they havent lost faith in him. If Melancon can even be equal to Robertson, the Yanks will have two good young righties in the pen.

  285. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Hughes is going to have a good year. He is finally healthy, gained a lot of experience especially from the pen. I expect him to have a good solid year. Nothing great but good.

  286. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Jeremy, I was only saying that in case they wanted to put him in the pen (like if he loses a ST competition). He doesn’t have to learn anything in AAA, he has to refine his stuff. He can not do that in the pen – he’d be stuck using two pitches.

    Cash is saying the payroll WILL be lower than last year’s – I have no idea what that means for Doc. If they re-sign Damon or Matsui, and the price in talent drops, can they still do it?
    Per Cash, there have been times where Hal definitely put the kibbosh on moves he wanted to make.

  287. NYY626 December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    I’m trying to figure out how Johnny Damon’s brain works. Lets say the yanks offer him 2/$20 and SF offers 2/$22 – is he really going to leave his world championship team and give up playing in the greatest place in the world ( this is fact, not opinion ;) ), for an extra 2 mil? Seiously how much money does one need?

  288. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    I would never take anything Cashman says with more than a grain of salt. He is a great dissembler.

    If Cashman got Cameron he’d play CF. Cash was upset when Torre wouldn’t let Lofton take over center when he got him, he won’t let a great defensive asset go to waste.

    The Pen was a cool documentary on MLB Network about the phillies bullpen, but my favorite part was a peek into the organizational meetings that go on. The GM is a part of it and they discuss strategy and how pieces fit.

    You can bet that Cash would go into any meeting about Granderson vs Cameron looking to get Cameron in Cf and Granderson in LF.

    Cameron in LF reduces his overall value.

    Cameron in LF is amazing on defense, poor on offense
    Cameron in Cf is amazing on defense, good on offense

    Granderson in CF is amazing on offense, good on defense.
    Granderson in LF is good on offense, amazing on defense.

    You go with the best combination.

  289. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    No project pitchers please. With Lackey out there, it makes no sense.

  290. carl December 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Kevin asks: In your opinion, who defines the years ‘96-’09: Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter?

    Kevin, I love Mo as much as anyone, but it’s got to be Jeter. He’s the guy who will be associated with this Yankees run for years and years to come.

    So the greatest closer ever gets no love?

  291. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Hughes and Chamberlain aren’t going to AAA next year.

    If they get another starter, they will compete for the 5th spot in the rotation.

    The guy who doesn’t get it, will be Mo’s setup guy.

    Thank you!

    And who in your opinion do you think wins that job. I think Joba.

  292. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    I say this with complete certainty as a fan. There is no way Melky is the starting left fielder or right fielder next season.

  293. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    SJ, saying that doesn’t make it right. Phil will never be a starter at this point if he ends up in the pen – last year was a waste (yes, I know about his confidence) and if he’s in the pen in 2010, then he’ll have worse limitations in 2011 (plus he won’t have worked on his secondary pitches). I love Phil, but I would rather get something for him in a trade while he’s still young enough rather than waste his potential in the pen. I think the Yankees have done lousy job developing him as a starter.

  294. murphydog December 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    “I’m sure some people will have a different opinion, but it sure sounded like Cash is getting another pitcher and that one of Joba/Hughes will be the odd man out.”

    Cash would like nothing better than for Joba and Phil to mature next season into reliable starting pitchers. The competition begins now. Whoever gets to ST in best shape and has the best ST will get the last two starting position, whether it’s a “project” pitcher and Phil, Phil and Joba or any other combo. Cash is talking to Phil and Joba right now via these interviews. Who wants it enough is the only question.

  295. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I think the Yankees have done lousy job developing him as a starter.


    I disagree, he was doing fine in the yankee system until 2007 when he got injured, and then in 2008 his season was busted because he was pitching injured again. The Yankees have done nothing wrong with Hughes in terms of development.

  296. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Joe in CT-
    I think you and I are on the same wavelength. I believe we are in the minority here though.

  297. The Ed(itor) December 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I do not want Mike Cameron on this team. He is old, over prices and can’t hit. I would rather have Damon or Matsui back than Mike Cameron.

  298. Pat M. December 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Matsui hasn’t loss any bat speed, still crushes anything middle-in….Cheats on inside offspeed, knee concern does manifest itself on hardstuff down & away…..I just cannot see the Yanks letting him walk……

  299. m December 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    project pitcher= chapman :mad:

    SJ, if that’s the case then I think Joba should go to the pen.

  300. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    SJ44
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    Hughes and Chamberlain aren’t going to AAA next year.

    Hughes will go to AAA if Joba wins the final spot. Girardi’s pen was a mess last year and he needed Hughes there which made sense because of his innings cap. This year Hughes will again have an innings cap and he will return to the pen in time for the playoffs. If the pen is in absolute shambles again during the regular season, Phil could join them early.

    However, I can see Joba in the major league pen if Phil wins the final spot because I think ST is Joba’s final chance to prove he can start at this level and be more than just mediocre.

    Last chance for Joba, more development for Phil.

    If Phil pitches as a starter in AAA rather than a reliever in NY throughout the season then he’ll be ready to handle 200 IP’s in 2011 in place of Pettitte.

  301. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Matsui hasn’t loss any bat speed, still crushes anything middle-in….Cheats on inside offspeed, knee concern does manifest itself on hardstuff down & away…..I just cannot see the Yanks letting him walk……

    Matsui does all that even with one of the most unfair strikezones according to pitchFx. The last couple of years over all his ABs Matsui has been near the top of the league in lefthanded pitchers getting called strikes out of the strikezone away.

    Read that on the hardball times.

  302. Mike Ri December 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    No project pitchers please. With Lackey out there, it makes no sense

    – It does if have a budget.

  303. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    MTU,

    Yes it seems that way I do not understand why though. They had these “Joba Rules” all of last year to work him for this year to be a full time starter. They had Phil in the 8th as a dominant set up guy for a dominant closer. We ended up being the best team last year not solely becuase of Phil’s dominance in the 8th but it was a huge part IMO. If it is not broke dont fix it I say

  304. Jeter2007 December 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    damon would be foolish not to sign quickly. nyy could get matsui and derosa and be fine offensively.

  305. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Betsy,

    They aren’t trading Phil Hughes. Nor are they just handing out starting jobs to Joba OR Phil.

    Competition doesn’t hurt people. You know what hurts people? Inflexibility.

    Their season changed when Phil Hughes went to the bullpen last year. He helped them win a World Series.

    Now, both guys can compete for a spot in the rotation. If Phil is up to it, he wins the job.

    If not, he has a vital role on the team nonetheless.

    You don’t trade assets unless you get studs in return.

    They aren’t trading Phil Hughes because they think he is a stud.

    Joe,

    I don’t know. I’ve felt since the end of the season that if the Yankees acquire a good starting pitcher (Halladay, Lackey or Sheets for example) I think Hughes will end up as the fifth starter and Joba will go to the bullpen.

    But, anything can happen when guys compete for jobs.

    I think Cashman has learned from his mistake of 2 years ago of just handing out 40% of his rotation to young guys without competition.

    There is going to be competition for the slot in the rotation and I think that’s a good thing.

  306. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    pat
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    Cashman should just come right out and say, no one else is getting signed until I see where the pitching market is.
    He’s not spending another penny for a position player that he could use to get a pitcher at this point.

    Spot on. Pure logic.

    He wants another pitcher.

    He wants as much money at his disposal as possible.

    He will sign Lackey if he can and then think about DH.

    Like he said, DH’s are practically “begging” for jobs right now.

    He can find one cheap.

  307. pat December 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    “I say this with complete certainty as a fan. There is no way Melky is the starting left fielder or right fielder next season.”

    There could be a way but it would be because the money for a left fielder was spent on a pitcher.

  308. UpState December 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    “…Why don’t we dump Gardner for Albert Pujols while we’re at it?…”

    With Albert’s questionable arm – could we ask StL to eat some of his contract ???

    If we just DH him I guess the arm wouldn’t be such a huge issue.

  309. defense matters December 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Hey all,
    with the (apparent) glut of outfielders and the Royals need for a center fielder do you guys think it might be possible to pry away a guy like Joakim Soria? He will cost the royals 3 million this year and 4 million next. I can’t help but think a quality closer like that is an almost useless part if you’re not in the position to have a lot of save opportunities. with the royals not built to contend wouldn’t it make sense for both sides to see if they could swap one of our young center fielders and maybe another throw in arm for Soria. After all he’s in for some serious raises in a couple of years and the royal may not want to pay him. What do you think? below is the link to Cot’s contracts to see his contract for yourself.

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....ls_28.html

  310. teddy December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    i think cashman wants ben sheets

  311. SJ44 December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Hughes is not going to AAA. Cashman told Sherman that isn’t in the plans for 2010.

    He’s one of the best 12 arms on the team. Neither Hughes nor Chamberlain will be in AAA next year unless they are on a rehab assignment.

  312. Joe from CT December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    SJ,

    I completely agree the competition for the 5th spot in the rotation will make Joba and Phil step up their games immensely

  313. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    The Angels are SO screwed if they lose Lackey to the Yanks.

  314. UpState December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    pat
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    “I say this with complete certainty as a fan. There is no way Melky is the starting left fielder or right fielder next season.”

    There could be a way but it would be because the money for a left fielder was spent on a pitcher.
    =======================
    That’s the single most “reasonable reason” why Melky should ever be a starter.

  315. Jeter2007 December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    soria for gardner or melky? you’re smoking

  316. Jerkface December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    I just can’t see New York wasting Hughes abilities in the bullpen. He went to the BP last year because he didn’t want to go back to the minors. They were ready to send him down and he asked to stay.

    Chamberlain’s Starter Advantages (pending next season)
    3 plus pitches
    plus velocity on 4seamer
    carries velocity deep into games
    good control (high k:bb, average to good bb/9 in minors)
    Groundball / strikeout pitcher

    Hughes Starter Advantages
    Excellent to Elite control
    Impeccable mechanics (release point is like 1 standard deviation on all his pitches, which led some to question if his perfect release has people tipped off to his curve)
    Excellent student, can add pitch types
    Excellent discipline
    Great fastball with late life
    Plus secondary offering
    Groundball/strikeout pitcher

    Chamberlain’s Reliever Advantages
    Explosive fastball
    Plus secondary pitches
    High K pitcher

    Hughes Reliever Advantages
    Explosive fastball
    Plus secondary pitches
    High K pitcher

    Based on this short summation, I go with everything necessary to make both starters. There are extenuating circumstances that have conspired to halt both from advancing as starters, but next season they could both enter ST with legit shots to stick.

    Go Hughes and Joba

  317. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Hughes will not be wasted in the pen. He hasn’t had enough of a chance to prove himself as a starter and he needs innings to be ready to take Pettitte’s spot after 2010.

  318. Rishi December 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    :arrow:

  319. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    mick
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
    He will be in the rotation, period !

    lol ! Yeah I’m really Brian Cashman.

  320. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    The moment Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain move to the bullpen full-time they are no longer valuable assets.

    They become a part of a group of players who are the least important, least valuable, and most easily replaceable players in baseball.

    The value they bring to the team pitching the eighth inning is very, very minimal.

  321. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    The only way I see Girardi needing Hughes in the pen during the regular season is if every reliever including Mo looks like Edwar Ramirez, Jose Veras and Jonathan Albaladejo out there.

  322. Chip December 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Sabean is not bailing Scott out on Johnny Damon. That’s an option that isn’t on the table right now and probably won’t be.

    If you say so buddy.

    Sabean said he wasn’t going to give Damon a 4 year deal, but that doesn’t mean he won’t make an offer. As you said, you have to understand team needs. The San Francisco Giants need outfielders and they need offense. They can’t afford Bay or Holliday but Damon may be a less expensive option that they will go after.

    As for Cameron vs. Granderson – not buying it. The Yankees have often said that you need to be a CF to play their LF and that’s how they’ll justify moving Cameron to LF if they bring him here. Much like how defensive stats would have indicated that Alex should have been the SS when he came here and Derek should have moved, sometimes you say eff the stats and metrics and play the guy where you want to play him and the Yankees want Granderson to be the CF.

    LF will be a one year fix for this season either Cameron, Melky, Damon will be out there with the idea being to focus on Carl Crawford next winter.

    I seriously doubt that both Matsui and Damon are back next year – if I’m wrong, great, but I seriously doubt it.

    So you go on and keep acting like a know-it-all J-off and I’ll be content to think that maybe something is possible other than the narrow view you seem to have.

  323. Jeremy December 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Betsy I agree with you. The pen is a waste for Hughes especially with his talent.

  324. MTU December 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    I don’t know if cash wants Sheets but I think he should make every reasonable effort to obtain him. Including having CC make a few phone calls.

  325. sab December 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    mick
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    If Johnny is smart, he takes the Yankees offer. If he drinks Scott’s Kool Aid, he could be a man without a team come Mid-January.
    ———————————
    Maybe Johnny should talk with Arod about Scott’s negotiating skills of late. Johnny come crawling back won’t work as well as Alex did, esp with Hank out of the picture.
    ———————————————————

    Even more reason why the yankees should have offered damon arbitration – scott boras is hell bent on getting damon at least a 3 year deal – they would have declined arbitration in a second…

    regardless – offer matsui a 1 yr $8 million contract today – as soon as he accepts – call boras and say he has 72 hours to accept a 2 year 18 million contract – if after 72 hours he doesn’t either go get another LF’er or use the money to get a bonafide #2 starter.

    On a separate note – if the redsox are eating $9 million of lowells 12 million to trade him why can’t the yankees just trade money for players (the resox are doing it in a monery laundering kind of way) – so lets say joba, romine and $15 million for halladay – if the redsox can do it so can the yankees…

  326. Betsy -high on pie December 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Jerkface, Cash screwed up in 2007 by even bringing Phil up. I don’t care if the rotation was in shambles- go out and find someone. He had already said that winter that Phil wasn’t going to be called up until September – he was not ready.

    I appreciate your points about working on pitches in the bullpen and I remember that conversation on this board as well, but IMO, Phil needs to start. I expect him to remain in the pen for the remainder of his Yankee career if he’s in the pen in 2010. This is not dramatics by me – he’s not 20 years old anymore, he’s almost 24.

  327. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Let’s see about this.

  328. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Jerkface,

    You are confusing elite speed with elite defense regarding Brett Gardner.

    He is in no way, shape or form an elite CF.

    He has numerous flaws, which anyone who understands outfield defense and has watched him play live regularly knows.

    To call him an elite CF requires a new context for what “elite” means.

  329. champ809 December 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    A Few Things We Should All Be Fairly Certain OF

    1-Cashman is not signing another pitcher to a multiyear contract or a contract that exceeds the AAV of Pett’s that is not named Roy Halladay….in other words Lackey won’t be a Yankee guys!Deal with it.

    2-If Damon walks and we bring in Cameron then one of two scenarios happen;
    a-Cameron the better def CF plays in CF and Grandy moves to LF where many including his former coach who was a CF himself feel would be his best position or;
    b-Cameron moves to RF where he played with the Mets and was gold glove caliber and Grandy stays in CF and Swish moves to LF or he’s traded

    3-We will not be trading Montero,Hughes or Joba for Halladay and certainly not any combo of the 2 for him.Our main concern is if Boston were to get him which based on their posturing seems highly unlikely.Right now he’s either heading to LA or Phillie which is fine as i don’t think he will sign an extension with either of those teams(the Phils maybe but I doubt they can re-up both Hals and Lee).So right now it seems most likely that Roy will be sitting there all pretty looking on the FA shelf next year for just a check.

    In a perfect Yankee world you’d like to pair Hals and CC to be the role model/mentors for Joba and Hughes for the next 3-4yrs of their development.If we play this right our ro for 2011-2014 could be CC,Hals,AJ,Joba,Hughes,Chapman/Banuelos/Brackman/Bettances/
    Vizcaino/DJ Mitch/Warren/Ortiz/Phelps etc….get the point?! the pitching talent in our organization is embarassingly good deep and plentiful..
    Paying ANY starter right now 4-5yrs is just asinine when you look at the strength and makeup of our organization.

  330. champ809 December 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Chip
    December 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
    Sabean is not bailing Scott out on Johnny Damon. That’s an option that isn’t on the table right now and probably won’t be.

    If you say so buddy.

    Sabean said he wasn’t going to give Damon a 4 year deal, but that doesn’t mean he won’t make an offer. As you said, you have to understand team needs. The San Francisco Giants need outfielders and they need offense. They can’t afford Bay or Holliday but Damon may be a less expensive option that they will go after.
    **********************************************************

    while it may be true that the Gints NEED Of’ers they also know that the dropoff from Bay/Holliday(true power hitters) to Damon(his “power” is a mirage and a creation of Fenway/Yankee Stadium) is CAVERNOUS! Playing in the NL west Damon would probably hit single digit homers and certainly would revert back to the 12 homer guy he really is.
    The truth is Damon is DYING to stay with the Yanks in order to artificially pad his stats and win a couple more rings so that confused numbnuts in 8-10yrs mistakenly confuse him for a HOF player. He also wants that Yanks to OVERPAY him as though he’s actually a power hitting corner of’er(he’s not!)

  331. Jeff December 11th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    “young relievers who showed glimpses in 2009 (Mark Melancon, Jonathan Albaladejo”

    Albaladejo showeded glimpses??? In the majors??? Seriously???

  332. Mike S. December 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Agreed with Sam regarding Cameron. Posada at 5 does worry me though. I’m more inclined with 6 or 7 because I’m not sure what Posada will bring. He is 38 and turns 39 next August. Already his offensive production for a catcher his age is astounding but how long can it continue?

  333. Tony C December 11th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    All right, I’ll ask the question: would anyone feel embarrassed if the Yanks get Halliday? Not sure if I would but the thought entered my mind. I’m a Yankee fan who lives in Massachusetts and it’s brutal. The sox fans delusionally look at their team as a small market underdog and I constantly get a load of bull about the Yankee payroll. Maybe that’s where the apprehension comes from…

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