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Kennedy’s “bittersweet” move

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 12, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This week’s trade to Arizona might have been the best thing for Ian Kennedy. After Brandon Webb, Dan Haren and Edwin Jackson, the Diamondbacks’ rotation seems fairly wide open. Kennedy could very well go into spring training as a favorite to open the season in the big leagues. With the Yankees, he would have been a favorite to once again headline Scranton/Wilkes-Barre’s rotation, waiting for an injury or unexpected move to open a door to New York.

Even so, Kennedy is only three years into his professional career, and he said leaving the Yankees isn’t easy. This is the first winter he would have been Rule 5 eligible had he not been added to the 40-man so early in his career. He’s about to turn 25 and his minor league numbers are spectacular. There was still plenty of time to establish himself in New York.

“I would describe it as bittersweet,” Kennedy said in an email.

Good things were happening for Kennedy. His curveball was improving — he was doing a better job throwing it for strikes, not using it strictly as a swing-and-miss pitch — and his fastball/changeup command was as good as ever when he came back from aneurysm surgery to make one playoff start for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. In the Arizona Fall League, he began throwing a two-seam fastball for the first time, and he said he was happy with its development. He pitched in and out of trouble in his one big league appearance.

Then came Tuesday.

“That day started out confusing because I had no idea what was going on,” Kennedy said. “I had no idea the Winter Meetings were going on. I found out when one of my friends texted me, ‘congrats on the trade.’ I then turned on the tv and computer to see what was going on. It wasn’t until Wednesday that I got a call from Cash that confirmed the trade.”

Two bad months in the big leagues — as a 23 year old with one year of professional experience — is hardly enough to judge Kennedy as a pitcher. With Arizona, he should get a long look in spring training and a second chance to prove himself in the big leagues. Best of luck, Ian.

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94 Responses to “Kennedy’s “bittersweet” move”

  1. David December 12th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    It’s a shame the Yanks won’t get a chance to find out how good Kennedy will turn out to be, but there are just so many positions available. I wish him luck, except when he’s pitching against the Yanks.

  2. Neil B. December 12th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I think Ian Kennedy will prove to be a pretty capable #4/5 starter in Arizona – if not this year, then definitely next year and beyond. What made this deal an awful one for Arizona wasn’t getting Kennedy, but rather losing Scherzer to get a more expensive and (in my opinion) worse pitcher in Jackson.

  3. James December 12th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Not to mention he’ll be in the National League West. He might as well be in AAA again with the hitters out there. Ian will succeed on the left coast.

  4. Erin December 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Best of luck to IPK

  5. Mark in Tampa December 12th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Murphydog, from last thread,

    “Did I read you right that there is a Golf PEDs scandal brewing? I had no idea.”

    There is nothing about to break, at least not that I know of. But, it is my opinion that there will be within the next 2 years. No lesser name than Gary Player said that there are at least “6 or 7″ juicers that he is sure of on the tour.

    Mainly, I was saying that because so many seem to blame Bud Selig for the baseball scandal, when there was no overt proof before Caminiti, nor testing prior to ’03. I was implying that the PGA commish needs to address things now, because there most certainly will be a PED scandal in golf sooner or later.

    BTW, if you can get one of these, it is sure to be a collector’s item:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/spor.....sks_w.html

  6. Alex Anthropologist December 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    whats his email so i can remind him how to conduct yourself when your infront of the media in new york.

  7. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    I’m gonna try to watch Ian’s starts on the package this season, the DBacks generally play most of their games after the Yankee games are over.

  8. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    perfect situation for Ian Kennedy. And he’s closer to california and his black lab : )

    I wish him well with arizona.

  9. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    edit: chocolate lab

  10. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Ian will do well in the NL, but I don’t think he ever had a real future with this team….and I don’t think he was ever going to be very good in the AL East. I wish him the best of luck……..I’m sure if he does well, we’ll hear it from those who didn’t want to trade him, but again – pitching in the NL West is incredibly different from pitching in the AL East.

  11. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    It is a good move for him, though; poor Phil lost his best friend.

  12. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    “Ian will do well in the NL, but I don’t think he ever had a real future with this team….and I don’t think he was ever going to be very good in the AL East. I wish him the best of luck……..I’m sure if he does well, we’ll hear it from those who didn’t want to trade him, but again – pitching in the NL West is incredibly different from pitching in the AL East”
    —————————————

    100%

  13. Mark in Tampa December 12th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Don’t know if anybody else saw this on MLB network this morning, but they ranked the top 9 catchers of the decade. Inexplicably, Posada came in 3rd, behind Pudge Rodriguez, who hasn’t had a decent year since ’04; and Joe Mauer, who barely played half of the decade. At least they had him ahead of Varitek.

  14. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....s%2frumors

    The 411 on Anaheim
    1:04
    PM ETLos Angeles Angels Top Email The Los Angeles Angels are in on Roy Halladay, John Lackey, and not so much on bats right now.

    Any progress on Halladay deal?
    1:12
    PM ETRoy Halladay | Blue Jays Top Email Alex Anthopoulos is laying the groundwork for a deal.

    *****

  15. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....urday.html

    ESPN’s Jayson Stark spoke to a source who says Toronto is pushing the Angels for lefty pitching prospect Trevor Reckling in any Halladay deal. Baseball America rating Reckling the fourth best prospect in the Angels’ organization coming into the 2009 season.

    **I don’t know howh good this kid is, but the Jays are asking for their 4th best prospect only, yet are still stuck on Joba/Hughes who are muchy better?

  16. E-gawa December 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    I was never a big fan of IPK. I still remember those on here who compared his beginning to Tom Glavine. He just couldn’t hack it in the AL East. I do think he’ll be better in the NL, he’ll at least last more than 5 innings there.

  17. Doreen December 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    IPK’s another guy I had hopes for on the Yankees, in spite of the rough go (both on the mound and in front of the cameras that one unfortunate post-game) he had in 2008. I know it looked like there was no room for him here, but I was looking forward to him showing what he could do in ST. I liked the reports out of the AFL and the addition of some new pitches. Heck, Yankee Magazine even did a focus on him recently on YES. I thought, hmm, you never know, maybe he cracks the rotation or is the very next guy on the food chain. Sigh.

    He’s another guy I’ll try to follow from afar. I think he’s going to do very well out there. I wish him the best.

  18. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Mark, I saw that last night. Posada came in 3rd because of his so/so defense. I believe Harold ranked Po first and the other guy (I don’t remember who else was hosting) also….but Mitch Williams probably ranked him below some others based on the D issue.

  19. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “Have any of you see the interview Costas did with Bob Feller. He said he threw a pitch 107 MPH on an air force base or something”
    ——————————————

    any fan of baseball and its history who didn’t see this interview is really missing out. Bob Feller is amazing.

  20. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    “Mark, I saw that last night. Posada came in 3rd because of his so/so defense. I believe Harold ranked Po first and the other guy (I don’t remember who else was hosting) also….but Mitch Williams probably ranked him below some others based on the D issue”
    ——————————

    the other man (who voted Posada #1) was Tom Verducci. He is excellent along with everyone else on that network. I hope the introduction of Peter Gammons doesn’t ruin everything

  21. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Betsy
    they all want the Yankees best, you know that. Look at how the Twins were with Santana, and what they settled for in return.

  22. Joe from Long Island December 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    I agree, I think IPK will do very well in Arizona. He really didn’t have much of a future with the Yankees, but Arizona, in the NL West, is a pretty good situation for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins 12-15 games there, and certain people say “Why can’t the Yankees get pitchers like that?” Best of luck to him.

    On another note….Betsy, I don’t get that either. Either Toronto’s GM hasn’t been paying attention to how Cash operates, or he really wants Halladay out of the AL East.

  23. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    If the Jays trade Halladay to the Angels for the crap they are offering, it will be clear that they never intended to trade him in the division and were just using the Yanks and Sox as stalking horses. It will be hilarious if Halladay then dings the trade.

  24. Patrick Bateman December 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    New York was never the right environment for Kennedy. He once said about himself that he got scared in the first inning or two of a game before settling down.

    Low pressure place like Arizona might be a better fit for him.

  25. Bret the Hitman December 12th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    The Angels are smart to be acting agressively in the Halladay negotiations. It’s like they know Lackey is the Yank’s target and they’ll get outbid just like they did with Teixeira.

  26. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I hope the Yankees don’t sign Lackey.

  27. Bret the Hitman December 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Phil
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    If the Jays trade Halladay to the Angels for the crap they are offering, it will be clear that they never intended to trade him in the division and were just using the Yanks and Sox as stalking horses.

    Pretty much the scenario

  28. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/ar.....ees_b.html

    Blue Jays asking for Yankees’ best
    The Blue Jays’ asking price for Roy Halladay is too rich for the Yankees to stomach at this moment, and as was widely believed, Toronto is asking for the cream of New York’s young talent.

    ESPN.com reported confirmation on Friday that the Blue Jays’ request of the Yankees for Halladay is that New York should structure a deal around either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, plus catcher Jesus Montero and others.

    MLB.com has reported that the Blue Jays are enamored especially by Montero, a power-hitting prospect whose bat is close to Major League ready at this time. There is some question if Montero will physically be able to catch at the big league level, and could become a first baseman somewhere down the line.

    Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that he is aware of the request for talent on the pitching front and called it “pricey.” Cashman is still smarting somewhat from dealing three young players for Curtis Granderson, but said he would be willing to dip into the farm again if needed.

    “I’m hesitant to move certain young players because of what they can do for us in the future,” Cashman said. “At the same time, for the right player, I’ll move anybody.”

    – Bryan Hoch

  29. haiku-man December 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    On nesn I just read the funniest article.The sawx writer,Ortiz says they should bring back Pedro Martinez.
    Why you ask, because the sawx could use a pitcher with his skills and experience. I can’t stop laughing.

  30. Bret the Hitman December 12th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Cashman said. “At the same time, for the right player, I’ll move anybody.”

    I love that quote. Whatta gem :)

  31. Paco Dooley December 12th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Best of luck indeed – unless he makes it to the WS and has to face his old team…

  32. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Cash must be very confident that Anthopolous is going to come back to him……otherwise, I don’t get why he doesn’t try to negotiate like the Angels are doing.

    The Jays don’t think Saunders and Aybar are crap – and they are the only ones that count. It sounds like Reckling is a darn good prospect.

  33. Chris December 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Wang non-tendered!

  34. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    The Angels are going after Lackey, too and I don’t believe the Yankees are that interested in Lackey

  35. Paco Dooley December 12th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    “Don’t know if anybody else saw this on MLB network this morning, but they ranked the top 9 catchers of the decade. Inexplicably, Posada came in 3rd, behind Pudge Rodriguez, who hasn’t had a decent year since ‘04; and Joe Mauer, who barely played half of the decade. At least they had him ahead of Varitek.”

    Yahoo’s MLB site had their all decade team and they had Jorge as their catcher of the decade. There were 4 Yankees on that list – Jeter, Mariano, Jorge and A-Rod.

  36. Jim December 12th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Adios Wang

    http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/6607234706

  37. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    champ809
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    Cervelli is def not out of options

    Betsy the BJ’s are not enamored with the Angels offer as it’s been reported they haven’t even called Roy yet to see if he’d go there and the kid they really want from the Angels is a 20yr old Lefty named Ackling (i think) who the Angels don’t want to include.
    The Angels are trying to get assurance that Halladay will sign an extension with them before they consider increasing their offer.
    Halladay most likely won’t sign an extension with LA although he’d agree to a trade and play there next year.
    Smart $ has him going to the Phils as they seem to be willing to move Drabek and Micheal Taylor but they need to try to clear some salary first and so they are trying to move Blanton(he’ll move) and Moyer(pipe dream 6.5mil salary). They would like to go with the triumvirate of Roy/Cliff/Cole next year. Sounds like a typical group of country singers but they would absolutely slay the NL if they could make it happen.
    If I were the Phils owners I would get him and resign both Roy and Lee to 4yr deals. Looking at the core of this team with Rollins/Utley/Howard/Victorino/Polanco and Dominic Brown on the come up with Halladay/Lee/Hamels they could rule the NL for the next 3-5yrs and challenge for titles

  38. m December 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Best of luck to Alfred E!

    I think he’ll do great. Faced some adversity. Humbled by the journey and the surgery. Fresh start. Higher on the food chain.

    I want all our former prospects to do well and I wish IPK the best.

  39. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Betsy,

    Why would he engage in a bidding war for a pitcher that is not worth what they are seeking for him? That would be the height of foolishness. You want to lose the farm, you get “aggressive” now. But right now “aggressive” is a code word for stupid.

  40. m December 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Wang. :(

    I can’t believe he’s not even 29. Hope we get him back.

  41. m December 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Errr. Not even 30.

  42. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    “Adios Wang
    http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/6607234706

    That doesn’t mean they want re-sign him.

  43. Brand 1 December 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Maybe Cashman isin’t as interested in Halladay as we think he is. Maybe he doesn’t want to give up McAllister, Romine, Melancon, etc. after already surrendering 3 guys.

    Cashman’s policy has always been that he doesn’t like to pay twice. Maybe he takes the gamble like he did with CC and hopes he hits FA.

  44. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    “That doesn’t mean they want re-sign him.”

    Edit: That doesn’t mean they DON’T want to re-sign him.

  45. haiku-man December 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Spoke with some Cardinal fans.They want Boras’s head for playing them with Holliday.Gm Mozeliak has submitted an offer with a deadline I think for the end of next week. Boras is still shopping.

    So many teams ticked off at Boras,I see a boycott of him/clients coming soon.

  46. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    “Sounds like a typical group of country singers”
    ——————————————
    so did Coke & Dunn

  47. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    “Maybe Cashman isin’t as interested in Halladay as we think he is.”

    If you read between the lines of his comments, it’s pretty clear that he’s interested, but only at a pre-determined price.

    “Maybe he doesn’t want to give up McAllister, Romine, Melancon.”

    I think he knows that would be a fair price.

  48. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    If Roy wants to go do the NL and hit – that’s the question. I still don’t understand why the Phillies would give up their young talent now, but not last year……….

    Phil, I’m not suggesting that Cash get into a bidding war. What I’m suggesting is that if he wants to see if he can get Doc at a reasonable price, he needs to be somewhat involved. The Angels are haggling with the Jays it appears….so are the Phils. At some point, A.A. could easily say “ok, we have a deal” – simply because he was talked down.

  49. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    “Spoke with some Cardinal fans.They want Boras’s head for playing them with Holliday.”

    Thinking that Boras won’t play with you is like thinking a hot chick wont’t flirt.

  50. vinny-b December 12th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    “poke with some Cardinal fans.They want Boras’s head for playing them with Holliday.Gm Mozeliak has submitted an offer with a deadline I think for the end of next week. Boras is still shopping.
    So many teams ticked off at Boras,I see a boycott of him/clients coming soon”
    —————————————

    was thinking more in lines of assassination. But will let the matter go, cuz my brother SJ44 likes him

  51. Ian December 12th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Remember the 500 lb elephant in the room… Toronto ownership.

    It has to be awfully tough for those guys to ultimately trade their franchise ace to a team in their division that is coming off a WS championship.

  52. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Reckling is a 20yr old LHP who is supposed to be a stud…i think the fact that he’s that highly rated at that age say alot about his upside..

    I think Cash is playing this right in the sense that Halladay for us isn’t a NEED i mean we just won the WS without him…He’s a luxury for us and a very expensive one to attain at current prices. If the price drops then they will see if they can get him on their terms but if not oh well.
    It would play into the Yanks hands actually if Roy gets traded to LA as he won’t sign an extension with them and we can sign him next year to replace Andy if we want him then.
    The only place I’d be worried about him signing on with is Philly and even in that scenario good for him I’ll just beat him in Nov.

  53. 55 Matsui December 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    If the Angels have come this far… you figure they have some knowledge of whether or not he would sign an extension there.

    It would be pretty stupid for them to waste all their time on a guy who has no interest in signing long term there.

    Just because the media hasn’t gotten wind of it, doesn’t mean the Angels haven’t gotten confirmation that he would sign there.

  54. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Betsy,

    he’s waiting to see if the price comes down. If he jumps in now there’s a bidding war and we lose the far. He’s on top of it, so chill.

  55. CR9 December 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    “Trading Austin Jackson for an all star CF puts a “deep gash” into the Yankees player development efforts?”

    Of course it put a deep gash into our player development.

    Boston Olney, as he calls himself, is the professional godson of Peter Gammons.

    So, my assumption is Boston Olney has not seen any or cared enough to see any of the minor leaguers in our system.

    We do not have any top prospects (aside from Montero) like Kelly, Federowicz, Pimentil, Lars Anderson, Max Ramirez, Westmoreland……..

    We lose one guy, and two if you count Kennedy, and our system has a deep gash. Laughable is an understatement.

  56. ipk December 12th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Wish Kennedy the best. He gets a chance to pitch and I hope he will thrive.

  57. Jon T. December 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    If A.A. gives one guy (in this case, Cashman) the opportunity to match any offer, he will feel obligated to do the same to all the GMs who express interest.

    Similarly, if he is close to a deal with the Yankees, he can give Theo and the Angels GM a call to see if they want to match. So if Cash wants A.A. to show him that courtesy, he has to expect that A.A. will show that same courtesy to the Sox and Angels. So it’s not as easy as just giving Cash the final opportunity to match.

  58. RhapsodyInBlue December 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Good Luck Ian, better days are ahead.

  59. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    “It has to be awfully tough for those guys to ultimately trade their franchise ace to a team in their division that is coming off a WS championship.”

    You know what’s tougher? Getting absolutely nothing for Santana like Bill Smith did because he stupidly thought that it would be best not to trade with an AL team except if he abused them.

  60. pat December 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    “So many teams ticked off at Boras,I see a boycott of him/clients coming soon.”

    Fans aren’t teams and smart teams know he can’t be avoided completely. He represents enough quality guys to ignore him if winning is the goal.

  61. Sey December 12th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Some GMs don’t appreciate their offer being shopped and once they agree to a deal, they expect to start filling out paperwork. Not wait for other GMs to see if they want to match. Then A.A. risks losing out on what he got.

    All GMs have different ways they negotiate.

  62. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    twitter . Jayson Stark
    Angels focused on Lackey not Bay.Ttying to keep Redkling out of Halladay deal.

    Looks like Angels want Lackey and Halladay.

  63. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Matsui, that’s true……I’m sort of reading the Angels message board on Halos Heaven and one poster mentioned that obviously the Jays are talking to Doc during this time. Therefore, if the Angels weren’t on his list, the Jays wouldn’t even have gotten this far – it would be a giant waste of time.

  64. RhapsodyInBlue December 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Looking at Lackey’s kisser every fifth day is a lot to ask from Yankee fans.

  65. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    if the Jays agreed to Romine,Melancon and McCallister the press conference would be Mon. morning bright and early.

    Although that is a very good haul for 1yr of Roy talent wise it would be an impossible sell to their fans as not one of those guys are the “top guy” from our system.

    And that’s the problem that GM’s can’t just make a good deal talent wise but they have to be able to market the move to fans who are mostly uninformed anyway.

    For instance if I were AA and I’m sending Roy to Boston let’s say I’d push for Bucholtz/Bard/Lars and Kalish as I think that package better addresses the needs of my org as opposed to Casey Kelly who’s 3yrs away just because he’s the Sox highest ranked prospect. Bucholtz could be their #3 right now behind Marcum and Romero, Bard could close for them and Lars and Kalish could be up in a year @ 1b and RF where they don’t have players in the system

  66. Abdababdaserser December 12th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    While the Phillies would be a very fearsome team with that rotation, they already would have to move players to clear the money it cost (let alone the talent they would give up in trade). How in the world could they possibly sign Lee and Halladay the amounts they would be demanding?

    Lee could be pushing their budget, Halladay would bust them. (Meaning Halladay along with Lee).

    That just isn’t going to happen.

  67. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    “We do not have any top prospects (aside from Montero) like Kelly, Federowicz, Pimentil, Lars Anderson, Max Ramirez, Westmoreland……..”

    False.

  68. Ian December 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Rich,

    Except Toronto has a representative offer from the Angels, in the form of Saunders and Aybar.

    It’s not like they are going to be stuck with garbage like the Twins were. He has a package with an established MLB pitcher in it already. Unless he gets a top prospect from us like one of our big 3, it is not inconceivable that he just takes the Angels package and the known quantity rather than the unknowns AND the PR hit of trading him in the division.

  69. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Champ,

    I think we’d add Brett Gardner to a package like that. I thought it was kind of weird when we picked up an OF in the rule 5 the other day, and I think it’s a possibility that Gardy fits in a trade. Remember, the Jays were gonna sign Gaithright the other day, then didn’t.

  70. murphydog December 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Mark in Tampa:

    Quite a story if it pans out that there is a PEDs issue in PGA Golf. You’d think it’s not possible after everything that happened in MLB. Maybe Selena Roberts is already on the case…

    And good to see CR9 continuing to root out all taint of P. Gammons. CR9, on reflection I owe you an apology of sorts. I stalk Lupica the way you seem to be stalking Gammons. Only difference being I’ve not read about anybody liking Lupica, his family and friends excepted of course. But we’ve each got our bete noire, n’cest-ce pas?

  71. Abdababdaserser December 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Just watching the MLB network. Bucky F. Dent hit one out of the park… Yazstremski isn’t gonna get that one! lol.

  72. Betsy - high on pie December 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Doc and Lackey in the same rotation…..with Kazmir? Ouch – that would be a damn tough team to beat.

  73. 55 Matsui December 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    “Although that is a very good haul for 1yr of Roy talent wise it would be an impossible sell to their fans as not one of those guys are the “top guy” from our system.”

    Bingo. If we’re going to give them a bunch of B-level guys, they might as well take the Saunders package.

    Besides, how do we even know they value McAllister+ over Saunders?

    A lot of these deals involve PR as well. It is not just the players. Especially since our proposed packages are not setting the world on fire either.

  74. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    the Angels are on his list of teams he would accept a trade to same a they were last year.
    As far as teams he would SIGN AN EXTENSION WITH that’s a different ballgame and thay can’t know that as they can’t contact him to ask him until they have an agreed upon deal with the BJ’syou know the 72hr window.
    If they tried to inquire prior to that they would be guilty of tampering.
    The Jays are certainly not going to negotiate with Roy on the Angels behalf and so there is the prob.
    The Angels are uncertain of how good an offer to make talent wise because they have no idea if Roy would SIGN AN EXTENSION with them.

  75. haiku-man December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    pat
    you just ruined my dream.I long for the day theat GM’s just once all agree to a Boras boycott. Can you see all the scrambleing to drop him as their rep by players.

  76. CR9 December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Rich in NJ
    Sarcasm was the point of that line.

  77. Mark in Tampa December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    I think right now that Cashman is just staying in the Halladay race to make sure Boston doesn’t get him. I am fine with him going to the Angels, but looking at that team now, it doesn’t really fit his criteria of a team that can win.
    Lost or losing-Figgins, Vlad, and Lackey won’t be back if they have to pay Halladay. Plus, whatever they give up in the trade itself-maybe Aybar and/or Napoli in part. They haven’t ade any additions.

    As presently built, the Angels look a lot like the current Blue Jays squad. Except for the Mike Sciosia perplexed look, that is.

  78. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    “Except Toronto has a representative offer from the Angels, in the form of Saunders and Aybar.”

    Those are merely reports, and even if it’s true, Saunders has what two years from arbitration? His ERA+ was 98 this season. So how good is? Aybar is all right. Nothing special.

  79. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    A lot of these deals involve PR as well. It is not just the players. Especially since our proposed packages are not setting the world on fire either.
    ****************************************************

    we haven’t proposed them any packages as far as I know

  80. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    “Sarcasm was the point of that line.”

    Oooooooooooooooooops My bad.

    The Max Ramirez thing should have been a dead giveaway.

  81. Joe December 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    If Seattle doesn’t give Lackey the $$$, He’s going back to the Angels. Unless the Red Sox lose out on Bay and get involved or some mystery team comes up…. who is giving Lackey his $$$?

    If the Mets sign Bay, they won’t be in for Lackey also. It is shaping up for the Angels to bring him back at a pretty good contract. Seattle is the wild card, but are they really willing to give him AJ money?

  82. Rich in NJ December 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    “the Angels are on his list of teams he would accept a trade to same a they were last year.”

    I have yet to see an actual list.

  83. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 12th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Betsy,hey Grrl

    Yankees beat Kazmir and Lackey,remember? They even beat Doc last season too. Bring it on!!

  84. CR9 December 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    murphydog

    Not going after Gammons this time. This time, Boston Olney.

    IMO, Olney is worse than Gammons, because Olney is “not a Red Sox fan.”

    Gammons has an excuse, he is the truest of true Red Sox fans. There is nobody that cares more about them than he does.

    ___

    On Lupica, I do not even bother mentioning him, because he is such a little weasel. He recalled the greatest NY championship teams of the last 50 years and did not mention any NYY year (not even 1998).

    Lupica has a face not even his own mother can love.

  85. Phil December 12th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Betsy,

    They’re not gonna score any runs.

  86. Mark in Tampa December 12th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Toronto in ’08 had a more fearsome rotation, IMO, than the Angels would have, even if they had Lackey and Halladay. That team finished well back.

    The loss of Figgins will be big for them, I think. While he isn’t a great player, and won’t help the M’s an awful lot, he was worth a lot to the Angels and their style of play. Kind of like when we had Brosius-he was worth a lot more to the Yankees than he would have been to just about anybody else.

    There is nothing in the spending patterns of the Angels that suggests they would take on Halladay for 16M + extension, and keep Lackey at 15 per or whatever he ends up with.

  87. champ809 December 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    We could send Gritty to them…A lot of GM’s are really high on Gardner and I understand why unlike most posters on this board.
    I think Gritty has the skillset to EVOLVE into one of the top leadoff men in the game. I stress EVOLVE as he still has some work to do but he could become a less powerful version of Jose Reyes or a faster better Denard Span type player.
    I think the Hoffman move was a way for Cash to have a RH CF option on the bench if it gets to the point of having to sit Grandy against tough lefties this kid may fit the bill. I read Larry Bowa the other day say in his opinion that the Yanks got a steal with Hoffman and compared him to Hunter Pence as a guy whose swing may look ugly but he just gets it done.
    I wasn’t suggesting that package for Roy but I’d love to do it including Gritty.

    Anybody in my org NOT named Joba/Hughes/Montero/Banuelos I’d package for him if I’m Cash

  88. Joe December 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Rich,

    We can only go by media reports. By that logic, none of us really know anything about any player. No GM or agents reveal their true intentions. The reports are all we have go create conversation off of.

  89. Bret the Hitman December 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    The Yankees don’t need a 1. They paid CC. The real need is a replacement for the guy penciled in as the 2 at the start of 2009 – Chien Ming Wang.

    Sure Cashman is willing to trade anyone for the right player – but the Yankees have an ace already and Cash can keep all his bullets while adding a 2.

  90. haiku-man December 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Wow hotstove.com is reporting the Cardinals offered 18 mm/yr to Holliday.Boras is looking for 180mm like Tex. Cards reject the comparison. This is going to be good.
    Plan B is De Rosa for the Cards.

  91. vey December 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    CR9
    “He has a face his own mother couldn’t love.” Priceliess!!

    When a baby is born,the doctor slaps his bottom so he cries and sucks in air for his lungs to kick in.
    Lupica was so ugly, the doctor SLAPPED HIS MOTHER!!

  92. Ken December 12th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Why wish Kennedy luck ?? I want to see him fall flat on his face along with Austin Jackson in Detroit.. When you make a trade you never want to see what you give up succeed! As much as I liked Jackson he’s an enemy now and I hope he busts.

  93. toughlove December 12th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for your consistent support and reporting about Ian in AAA and the majors. I counted on you for all the news in Scranton and I see great things in your future with your promotion. You love the game and respect the players.

  94. jake December 12th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    IPK had no future with the Yanks. They didn’t like his attitude. More than once, after stinkin’ up the joint on the mound, he made excuses and/or was in denial. The Yanks don’t like that. As soon as he showed himself recovered from his surgery, he was trade bait.

    As for Halladay, I just can’t believe all the folks wanting to see the yanks trade for him. You guys must be Mets’ fans (or worse!!). They’re not going to get him for Zach McAllister+Austin Romine. The ‘Jays want Montero and Hughes. And you don’t give up such young players with such high ceilings for a guy you don’t absolutely need who’s much older and has some health questions. Cashman understands this.
    Consider this: if either Joba, or Hughes, has a “breakout” season for the Yanks in 2010, he’ll win 16 games, then go on to win 100 more over the next 6 years. That’s 116 wins over the next seven years. And a “breakout” year is absolutely possible for either (or both) of them. How many wins do you think Roy Halladay would give the Yankees over the next seven years? 100? 87? 116? Do the math. It ain’t worth it.
    If the Yanks feel they can spend the dough on Lackey, they should. If not, they can sign Bedard or Sheets for some insurance, and put both Joba and Phil into the rotation. They did OK in 2009, didn’t they?

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