The Yankees make it official: Wang non-tendered
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 12, 2009 
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The Yankees have officially announced that Chien-Ming Wang was not tendered a 2010 contract Chien-Ming Wang.
“There’s no doubt that we had to make a tough decision,” Brian Cashman said in a statement released by the team. “We are still hopeful that our relationship can continue, but those decisions are yet to be made.”
Melky Cabrera, Chad Gaudin and Sergio Mitre have been offered contracts through arbitration.
why the love for mitre, he a loser
why is edwar on the roster as well
Mitre is rubbish
Hopefully Cashman can resign Wang.
“Melky Cabrera, Chad Gaudin and Sergio Mitre have been offered contracts through arbitration.”
YAHOO!!!
Thank you Santa!
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Cash should give Wang a Lieber-type deal, then go after Sheets with a Pettitte 2009-type deal.
I frankly don’t get their thing for Mitre. He was lousy even before his injury.
Melky will be traded
Now now, Mitre is hardly a loser or rubbish. He had TJ surgery in 2008 and so is probably right on schedule in terms of his getting back to form. I remember him pitching flippin’ lights out during a few games last season.
I’m willing to wait and watch his progress. And obviously so are the Yanks!
“Melky will be traded”
I’m thinking not. With Granderson and Melky in the outfield, we’re going to have some defense going! So far, I’m loving it. And why offer him arbitration if he’s going to be traded? I don’t think the Yankees play that game.
Melky will NOT be traded
Who cares about Melky?! We’re in mourning here…
I’d like to know who Edwar has pictures of. How is he still on the roster? Trade him at least.
I care about Melky! But did I miss something? Why are we in mourning?
Gardner will be traded. unfortunately
Damon in LF,Granderson CF,Swisher RF
Melky is a poor bench option,his bat will be poor maybe playing once a week
Some of us are upset about Wang. Understand the decision, but were hoping for a stay of non-tender…
I’m thinking the Yankees will hold on to Gardner. Isn’t he a great weapon to have on the bench in the very least? And how about if we don’t re-sign Damon (my hope at this point). Platoon Swish and Gardner.
Hopefully Wang will be sign=ned to a minor league deal, seems like a no brainer except for randy.
imo Toronto wants gardner. Thats why we had to get 1st pick and take Hoffman.
Oops, the = was due to my 3 year old.
I thought Cash said they were still going to try to hold on to CM.
Okay, here are my bold predictions. Don’t say I didn’t tell ya!
1. Melky will start in left
2. Gardner will be on the team
Okay that’s about as bold as I can get right now.
AS a huge Wang fan, I find this quotation heartening: “We are still hopeful that our relationship can continue, but those decisions are yet to be made.” So the Yankees have not turned their backs on Wang (yet), but are trying to work out some kind of lesser contract. Let me take a stab at this. How about $1,500,000 plus incentives? He’ll start the season on the 60 DL and be ready (fingers crossed) by the All Star break. If he can have a decent second half, he might return to his former self by the 2011 season. Even shoulder surgeries which are successful (and he’s had a successful one already) are notoriously hard to predict, but I from other examples (i.e. Smoltz, who is 10 years older), it might be more than a year before he gets his strength back. I think the Yankees can afford a $1-to-$2 million investment on that contingency.
Hoffman wont make the roster…he is mud
Wondering if Cashman will let Wang go, and sign this Chapman kid that throws 100mph
trisha
Sorry to disagree with you. He pitched one lights out game, against the White Sox IIRC. His top form is being a hit machine. I hope he does become effective, as that would give us more depth, but to expect anything out of Mitre is to expect to win the lottery.
To believe in Mitre would take even more misguided hope than I have.
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Re: Wang, I truly hope he is back. We need the Taiwanese Elvis. As opposed to Tim Dierkes’ view that Wang was our No. 3 a couple years ago, he was our ace, and if he could get back to where he was, what an addition that would be!
CR9, I’ve been known to bet the dark horse and clean up every once in a while. I’ll put my money on Mitre.
Wait and watch.
Man…..that’s tough news.
I still remember him coming around 3rd in Houston.
Mitre is junk….Cashman has a fascination with these bums,and he holds onto for too long
Sad to see Wang go, but it had to be done.
I would be surprised if they bring him back. I feel he not part of Cash’s plan, bargain salary or not.
Regarding the OF, I’m starting to think Matsui will return and Damon not. I have no inside info but listening to Cashman’s interviews lately I get the sense Damon may not get done. Matsui is actually a better fit.
“I still remember him coming around 3rd in Houston.”
Yeah, that is a nightmarish image…
I will respectfully disagree on Mitre (he is not junk, IMO) and bid you all a fond goodnight. Gotta watch SNL!
Matsui and Damon are pretty much separate issues, in my humble. Matsui is not likely to play much if any OF; Damon might do some DH duty, but he will have to play OF was well.
Hey Miggs! Before I go I just want to say HEY MIGGS! and add that my Christmas stocking would overflow if we get Sui back. For me, that would be the cherry on the Sunday.
I’d love to see Wang, Hideki and me all back in pinstripes.
I can see the logic behind keeping Mitre and Gaudin. Mitre wasn’t horrible all the time, but did have his moments. His fielding did seem to improve some with playing more games, but that still needs a lot of work.
Either of them can be trade bait or long relievers/spot starters to give some decent depth to the pitching.
I wonder what had taken so long for the official announcement. Obviously this was to make one single announcement, so there had to have been something going on to cause the delay.
From the sound of it, Cashman didn’t want to close the door on Wang being a Yankee, I take his comment to possibly mean that they will try to work out a contract deal with Wang based on incentives and a guaranteed portion that was lower than the 20% reduction.
Its hard to say what will happen. This is a FA opportunity for Wang, and he will look to get the best deal he can. I can’t blame him or his agent for that.
The Yanks could save money by letting Melky play LF and signing a decent hitting DH like Matsui or Nick Johnson. But, I don’t think it’ll work out that way. The Yanks see Damon as their best option. Also, IMHO the Yanks are Damon’s best option. So, I think that after a period of bluffing and negotiating, the Yanks will eventually sign Damon.
That will leave the Yanks with 4 CFs. One or two will not make the team. That means some combination of trading Melky and/or Gardner, demoting Gardner to AAA, or giving Hoffman back to the Dodgers.
My prediction is that if Damon signs, Melky will be traded.
No chance #Yankees were keeping Wang for $4m. But a min. league deal would make sense for both . He is motivated to come back.
13 minutes ago from TweetDeck
From Pete Abe Twitter
Posted on last thread by “Damon 27″
For the league minimum, why not. It’s just one of 40 roster spots.
We kept around Cody Ransom on the 40 man, when all he did was detract from our team.
Sorry, I was channeling Johnny D there for a minute.
Strong reasons to bring both Wang and Matsui back: All Yankee games are broadcast (and re-broadcast in the evenings) in both Taiwan and Japan. If this is about business & money. The ad/tv revenues must factor in somewhere.
Twitter PeteAbe says, “No chance #Yankees were keeping Wang for 4mm.
But a league min deal makes sense for both. He is motivated to comeback.”
Wang could come back great news!!
damon enjoy 27…think 28 –
Do yo have info or is that just an aspiration?
Did you hear any thing about Conor Jackson. Arizona is dragging this out.
The Taiwanese Elvis
The black Swisher and now the Taiwanese Elvis. Lmao
WHAT ABOUT JOSE MOLINA? Is he history?
Which twitter is it? But a min. league deal or but a league min deal?
There is a difference. The first version is a minor league deal the second is a league minimum pay deal.
I could see a minor league deal that gives incentives if he comes back to the majors and meets other criteria.
What’s wrong with the Taiwanese Elvis? He has the perfect hair like Elvis.
Re: Matsui.
My favorite part of Hideki playing the field with us was watching his hat fall off when he went running for a ball, and watching his hair flop around!
Molina is a FA. The Mets have looked at him as a possible choice, but no offers have been made to date that I have heard.
Sorry, Mitre is trash. But he’s our trash, so…Go, Mitre.
I would get another pitcher, sign Matsui, and call it a day.
Let Melky play LF, keep Gardner as the backup. I know that’s against conventional wisdom to put Melky’s production in LF, but he’s the #9 hitter on a great team. Yes, I know, there’s the little issue of Damon. But I prefer to put a better defensive outfield out there and depend on Matsui for offensive production.
Add a veteran starter, Joba to the pen. Or Hughes to AAA and Joba in the rotation.
Build the bullpen from within. I’m thinking Rivera, Robertson, Marte, Dunn, + the rest from within. I’d rather have Aceves be a starter, but if they add another veteran he’s more valuable in the ML roster than at Scranton. And he’s not leapfrogging Joba and Hughes.
Now the ball is in Wangs court. He better accept a minor league deal.
Johnny got if off http://www.mlb.com/hotstove
They have a live twitter page! This is too important to make up.
I’ve heard that on the Jakarta Cricket team they have the Sri Lankan Sabathia…and he’s lights out.
amon enjoy 27…think 28
December 12th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Twitter PeteAbe says, “No chance #Yankees were keeping Wang for 4mm.
But a league min deal makes sense for both. He is motivated to comeback.”
Wang could come back great news!!
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Let it be so!
Dr. Mustard,
If Hoffman has no chance why would NY dump Bruney to get him? I am still a little baffled by that deal unless they really project Hoffman as a 5th OF.
I hope we can get Wang back for a decent price- but we now run the risk that another team will pony up the money to take him away. the Mets would like nothing better than to steal our Wang.
Trisha whats going on?
Loving the offseason so far. And its got along way to go.
For the record, I’m against acquiring Halladay, Lackey, Bay, or Holliday.
I’d like Matsui or Damon to return and the Yankees to sign a low risk high reward guy like Sheets to a one year deal.
Fill out the bullpen and go to war!
The Taiwanese Elvis … didn’t that come from one of his bobble-head dolls? Like this one? http://shop.mlb.com/product/in.....09.2727014
All Pete said was that a min. deal would MAKE SENSE for both…
Whoa, if we have a boddhisattva weighing in on Wang’s favor, I am totally convinced he’s coming back.
Hahaha.
Unfortunately, Bodh for me is a journey – probably of several zillion lifetimes – not where I live.
I care far too much about things – like where Wang ends up pitching – to be a real one
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I think the Cards are more likely than the Mets to try getting Wang.
Miggs – I’m against those signings also. Totally.
I want Sui back.
I’m thrilled with the off season thus far.
I have this horrible feeling that the Sux are going to make a move to get Wang. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
…then again, Mariano, a REAL adept, once said, in all sincerity:
“I keep tellin you guys – God is a Jahnkee…”
I tend to doubt that any team will offer Wang a major league deal.
Hey Trisha,
I saw you were on the journalism track. I would have guessed Creative Writing or Poetry.
Peteabe says on his blog about ‘Bay being frustrated and prepared to walk away.”
“Scott Boras is doing a happy dance in Newport Beach tonight. If Bay will seek his fortune elsewhere,the sawx will have to at least entertain the idea of signing Matt Holliday.”
I’m fine with the decision to non-tender Wang. It’s not good business to pay him $4 million when he very likely won’t be ready to pitch until June and, even then, I doubt he’ll be the same pitcher he was. It was the right decision. I’m sure the Yankees will offer Wang a minor league deal, but if Wang wants to move on, so be it.
CB, are you saying Matt Holliday is such an impact player that he will make the Sox better than the Yankees ?
I don’t see the Sox going after Wang. He didn’t seem to pitch his best in Fenway.
Besides, he doesn’t like RED, coming from Taiwan and all.
Bod, my creative writing teacher and I definitely didn’t see eye to eye. I actually enjoyed the technical writing more and ended up keeping the creative stuff for and to myself. It worked out okay.
Tricia, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays……There’s a new blogger here, let’s go Yankees……I’m looking forward to your debates with him over the course of the season…..
Betsy, that is preposterous.
Wang will be back with the Yankees.
Trisha,
Your employment of a conventional meter was very sophisticated.
Don’t want to veer off topic, but that was a nice comibination of technical skill and creative language.
I’m ready for the Yanks to move on from Damon already…..he wants to be back, but only at his price. Well, that was never going to happen and the Yankees are not going to wait forever for Damon to realize there is no market for him. I would sign Matsui and……..I don’t know what they’d do for a LF. The dynasty Yankees had a rotating LF, but I don’t think I want to do that. I like Melky, but he’s better as a 4th OF…….
trisha –
I don’t think Wang will go to the Bosox. For whatever reason, he doesn’t pitch great at Fenway.
But I feel your pain, truly I do.
Can we at least have a vote in all of this? I mean, can the Yankees just ask us before they dump our favorite players? Manners, Cashman. Really.
Johnny
‘I’ve heard that on the Jakarta Cricket team they have the Sri Lankan Sabathia…and he’s lights out.’
http://www.expat.or.id/orgs/ja.....ation.html
Ahh! The joy of cricket! (I played for 21 seasons)
Abdab, it was just an awful premonition that I had, with Wanger going to the Sux and pitching beautifully. But now I’m thinking that in the spirit of the season, it was just an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato!
Bodh, what is? The Holliday comment? LOL I think so, but I just wanted CB to clarify his comments.
As to Mauer, IMO he’s staying in Minnesota, so he’s not on my radar. Any team (Sox for instance?) counting on him to be a FA is just silly………
Wang will not come back.
If he is a borderline pitcher when healthy, he may accept minor league deal plus incentives from Yankees. But many teams will offer him major league deals. He will be paid more than 2M by Dodgers or elsewhere, bet on it. 2M is like a pocket change today. The reward/risk is too good to pass.
If Yankees want him back, they better offer a minor league deal plus 5M incentives, or forget it.
Cashman always makes light of Wang because he is not a power pitcher. I hope he goes to Dodgers and kicks Yankees sorry butts when they play next year.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Quote:
The Yankees could re-sign Wang to a lesser, incentive-based deal, as many have speculated they will attempt to do. But Wang’s agent, Alan Nero, said the hurler will now engage all 30 clubs as a free agent and take all other options into consideration.
“I think it’s difficult to rationalize a non-tender as further building a bridge with a team, but we’ll see,” Nero said.
Making Wang a free agent could produce a relatively inexpensive and low-risk addition for another club. It is thought that the Dodgers — managed by former Yankees skipper Joe Torre, a consistent supporter of the pitcher — would have some interest.
Nero said on Friday that his expectation is that Wang will be ready to pitch in Major League games by May 1.
“He is way ahead of schedule,” Nero said. “He started his throwing program on Dec. 1 and is under the supervision of Dr. James Andrews with his physical therapy. I’m very optimistic that he will be in the best shape of his life.”
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Wang’s agent is obviously upset – there’s no way Wang is coming back. I’m not overly distraught about it.
If Wang goes to LA, I will have to follow the Dodgers. Oh man, that really hurts.
Bod – thank you! You get me. You really really get me.
Pat M – and the same to you. It is nice to be back with family – meaning you guys. I hope your legs are feeling okay and you have the pain under control.
Via Gammons’ twitter
son, it all comes down to one simple rule:that you treat everybody the way you want them to treat you
about 15 hours ago from mobile web
Why don’t you tell that to the Red Sox, after they just dumped Mike Lowell like a piece of trash, mislead Bronson Arroyo like Arroyo was a dirtbag (which he is), and Manny Ramirez whom they enabled until they they could not take it any longer, then dumped him and made him out to be the lone bad guy.
buster made my cry earlier, then what the espn.com baseball folks did broke me down. i’m a very, very lucky man to have such friends
4:20 PM Dec 11th from mobile web
The only reason you have “such friends” is because you are a Red Sox Schill. If you were a Yankees schill, you’d have no friends!
Betsy,
Oh, I see.
Holliday would improve the Sox, but not enough to eclipse or even draw even with the Yanks.
Nice of you to stay classy there Dr.M.
You are aware that Wang got well over 5 million to rehab from two significant injuries. Right?
No team is going to give Wang a major league deal unless its after he has shown he can still pitch. They will all be minor league deals, with incentives for performance.
“Melky Cabrera, Chad Gaudin and Sergio Mitre have been offered contracts through arbitration.”
“Mitre”….
For the love of God…
WHYYYYYYYYYY
” hope he goes to Dodgers and kicks Yankees sorry butts when they play next year.”
Trolling?
Nick in SF-
If you are out there, I do accept personal checks
Bodh, and then CB I think was talking also about if the Sox signed Mauer……..but that doesn’t take into consideration what other moves the Yankees would make.
I’m assuming Holliday is going to Boston. It’s clear that Bay is not interested in their offers…..I thought he loved Boston, but I suppose not at those numbers. I guess it will be annoying, but it’s not like I didn’t expect the Sox to make any big moves this season.
Wang will stay in the organization or head to the Dodgers or St. Louis. Wait, I don’t think Wang ever wants to run the bases again, so maybe not. That leaves boston or Seattle. Didn’t do so well in boston, but the prospect of him showing up the Yankees may be too much for Theo to pass on. Seattle? May be a good idea from a marketing perspective and it is the AL – no running the bases.
No, I think the chances are that he accepts a minor league deal and returns with a vengance. May never be a 19-game winner again, but who is? I’d be very happy with 15 wins a year from him.
As far as the outfield is concerned, if Damon doesn’t sign by Christmas, I think the door is closed. I’m ready to go to war with Melky in LF, Granderson in CF, and Swish in RF. Garndner and Hoffmann can come off the bench.
“Wang’s agent is obviously upset – there’s no way Wang is coming back.”
It’s just posturing. He’ll be back.
Maybe Nero was guaranteeing the Wang would get his contract, or maybe he was already cashing the check for his fees.
I really don’t see Wang chancing going to the NL and having to run the bases all the time. You never know, but it doesn’t seem to be in Wang’s best interest.
“As far as the outfield is concerned, if Damon doesn’t sign by Christmas, I think the door is closed. I’m ready to go to war with Melky in LF, Granderson in CF, and Swish in RF. Garndner and Hoffmann can come off the bench.”
Yep.
Even if Wang decided to join another team, I wouldn’t blame him.
I love that kid.
DaSaint007 –
Nice point. NL teams do seem less likely since Wang would have to run bases. But this also highlights teams’ legitimate fears: he’s proven rather delicate. When he’s healthy, of course, who wouldn’t want him. He could hurt his foot fielding a ground ball off the mound too.
And I say this as a big Wang fan who hopes he returns to NY. So I am hoping for a minor league deal which gets him back to the Bigs by the All Star break. He might yet return to form. When healthy, why couldn’t he win 15-20 again?
The “when healthy” part is the sticky bit.
The weasel Rosenthal has an article on foxsports about the Sawx “Planning for a future without Bay.”
Peteabe has a thread on his blog about Epstein refusing to comment on Bay.
Night all. Think I’m off to dream about sugarplums and number 28.
XO
Anyone watching UFC? I can hear people going crazy all around my neighborhood.
BJ Penn must be dominating.
The Yankees have about 19 Million in payroll left to work with in order to stay at or under last years. Offer Damon the same 2 year/18 million dollar deal that was offered before and Matsui a 1 year/ 9 million dollar deal and tell them that both have been offered contracts and whoever says yes first gets the job. Then take the 9 or 10 million thats left and offer it to Ben Sheets and we’re set.
Okay, he must’ve won. People setting off fireworks.
I’m a big Wang fan. That didn’t sound right, but you know what I mean. I was also a fan of IPK, and wish him well. Hopefully Wang will be able to return to form and we’ll see him in late 2010 or 2011. That said, the Yankees never seemed to really buy into his talent, particularly since he wasn’t a strikeout pitcher.
Anyway, another day, another decision. More work to be done, but lots of options out there.
Night all.
BJ won by KO in the 5th.
IPK ???
Could you clarify?
Sorry I actually think it was a stoppage due to a cut.
Ian Patrick Kennedy.
Bod
Just for the record I do not want to trade for Halladay and lose our prospects. Joba is one of my fav Yankees. I just have horrible feeling we will.Ecspecialy if Angels sign Lackey. Now Angels just using Halladay for leverage against Lackey. Cashman knows the price will continue to drop and they have to get some one considered a future star. It is all up to Halladay. I think Joba,Romine and Gardner. I hope not but Cashman understands how big of a advantage this one pitcher realy is. Can he realy risk waiting and not getting him?
Ah, I didn’t recall the middle initial, but it fits, obviously.
More help from a boddhisatvva.
. Thanks.
I am against trading too much (Joba/Hughes/Montero/Melky — any combo) for Halladay. Let him sign with another team or get in on the sweepstakes if he is still an FA after 2010.
LOL, blake.
I know I can always get answers on LoHud.
We have 3 open spaces on the 40 man roster. Who will fill them?
man i wish they would bring back wang. he was the only pitcher the yanks had for a few years there. and leaving him out like that shows no loyalty.
Phil, who do you want to fill them?
blake,
I’m open to all sorts of possibilities on the roster question.
Coney,
Not much loyalty left in baseball — for many years now. Jeter will get a huge renewal to his contract next year, but that isn’t really loyalty either. He’s just Mr. Yankee.
It’s sukky, but it is what it is.
Sac Fly,
I have no feel on how the Yanks view Joba.
But I’m with you – no way I’m quitting on that combo of arm & age, especially not after his first season as a starter.
Not for a 33-year old pitcher.
Let’s hope for the best – no action on Halladay until next winter, if then.
Just pass. We can’t build a pitching empire if we keep getting guys approaching their dotage who will tie us up and block the path of our young arms.
It’s the wrong way to go – the wrong way. I don’t want Joba/Hughes, Banuelos or Vizcaino going anywhere but the Bronx.
“I’m open to all sorts of possibilities on the roster question.”
How about, oh, I don’t know — WANG?
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Welcome, Johnny.
I’m tuning into Spencer Tracy and Joan Bennett.
She has the most distinctive voice.
Good night, all.
Wow,Matt Caps got non tendered. Get him Cashman
Metta, Bodhisattva. Sweet dreams.
yup, i’ve had all the baseball excitement (or lack of) I can handle today. Maybe things will pick up soon. Gnight all..
Night
The way Girardi used Joba in the playoffs and WS tends to indicate that they trust him.
Rich,
But trust him to do which — start or set-up?
“But trust him to do which — start or set-up?”
Both, especially if he recovers his velo. If not, I think the situation if more fluid.
I trust him to start. Just needs to fix his attitude. Hopefully Andy helps with that. Also what do you think about Matt Capps.
If he gets his velo back I’m sure his attitude will be fine.
Chien-Ming Wang, SP – Wang, 30 in March, had strong years in ’06 and ’07 as the Yankees’ mid-rotation groundball specialist.
Via Tim Dierkes, for the 2nd time in 2 days.
Talk about a bias, or taking a cue from the media.
Since when does a guy who leads the MLB in wins over a 2 year period or longer conisdered a mid rotation guy.
Perhaps even more pertinently, CMW started the first game of the postseason in both ’06 and ’07. Which would seem to define top-of-rotation guy.
My favorite CMW memory is the time he said the F word into his glove on the mound after he got squeezed on a call.
Late
CMW got squeezed on a lot of balls and strikes calls because his two seamer had such movement.
I was so certain that Wang was staying, he still may, but the club kind of screwed him with the mismanaging his off season rehab and lack of conditioning program……
Pat,
was it the club’s fault when he hurt himself running the bases in Houston? I don’t what went wrong between `08 and `09, but how did he ever get hurt running the bases?
I love Wang. I hope the Yanks don’t treat him like the Red Sox treat their players, and just throw him away, like yesterdays paper. This kid pitched great for us, and if can come back and be 80% of what he was, that would still be a great addition to the current staff. If we need to trade a pitcher, let it be Joba. His skills have peaked, and turned back. Hughes has shown steady growth as a very capable #4 or #5 starter. I don’t think you can even depend on Joba out of the pen. I still believe Cashman will make a deal for a quality front line pitcher, and maybe one more bat. Signing Lakey means just $$$, but trading for Halliday means you lose young talent, plus $$$. I’d rather pay for a FA, than lose a Hughes and others.
Phil, I was referring to last winter after his surgery….He wasn’t given any off season conditioning programs to keep his core and arm strong…..He just sat around, and when he reported to camp he was not ready to pitch….If you recall he was rocked during the spring exhibition games….Then when the season started, his arm slot / angle was way different than before….Also he had no leg strength as his leg lift was about 8 inches lower than before the injury…..All I’m suggesting is that his off season conditioning and rehab lead to his problems in 09……This is more than just a theory, as the club did recognize this mistake…..Back in May many of us here started to see that this was a different pitcher…Actually Randy I noticed it right off….Being a former catcher, he spotted it right away……Yanks should have given a contract in my opinion…….
“We have 3 open spaces on the 40 man roster. Who will fill them?”
Chien-ming Wang, Hideki Matsui, Mike Cameron
Seattle? May be a good idea from a marketing perspective and it is the AL – no running the bases.
Maybe the M’s should sign Wang…
Certainly couldn’t hurt to start earning brownie points with Nero, seeing how what they are really after is a certain pitcher of Venezuelan persuasion
Keep hope alive.
cashman will regret his decision. dodgers will sign wang because of torre and wang is going to show the yankees that they’ve made the biggest mistake. 2 years in a roll of 19 games winner which he made less than 500k each year and now cashman wants him to take a paycut?! i hope wang gets signed by the red sox
acepitcher
Please ! Cashman made a prudent decision. Wang is not going to be the 19 game winner again. Face facts ! The guy is coming off his second shoulder injury and he only has one plus pitch which is his sinker which has lost velocity. You can’t continue to be good if you only have one pitch unless your a closer like Rivera with the cutter.
The Yankees have enough pitching and free agency next year and the year after will provide a lot of good pitchers.
I like Wang but this is business, and if he is too much of a then risk he needs to go.
acepitcher
And if you are a fan of the yankees then why would you want wang on the red sox ?
You’re nothing more than a stupid troll !
Trolling is saying negative words without reasoning. I explain my reasons, so it’s not trolling.
If minor league deal is the best Yankees can offer, Wang is gone. If Brandon Webb (also season-ending shoulder injury) was a FA today, can Yankees get him with a minor league deal? Won’t Mets or Phillies roll the dice?
Wang should leave now. Even if he stays and gets 15 wins, Cashman still won’t offer him a respectable long-term contract next year. If his market value next year is 12M, Cashman won’t pay him 8M. He has beef against Wang. Wang’s pitching style is not appreciated by him, despite of effectiveness. Cashman prefers 5-inning fireballers like Joba and Hughes to Wang.
A leg injury proves he can’t run in NL? His right foot was caught between elevated turf and dirt and hurt. It was a freak injury. If you are not used to running curve you can get hurt too. Wang is one of the best defensive pitchers, and he never got hurt for fielding a groundball.
I see Angels need him (losing Lackey) and Dodgers (no top-tier pitchers). He most likely will go to LA.
To Jeremy:
If Wang has only one pitch (actually he pitched good sliders in short 2009 stint) and will never be a 19-game winner again, why not let RS sign him and Yankees beat him up?
If you lose faith in him, you should want him to go to RS too.
Just a light jab, don’t take it seriously.
Dr.M, despite the man-crush you have on Wang, no team is giving him a major league deal. Coming off of surgery to his shoulder raises big concerns.
No business hires a worker for a big salary when they don’t know if they can do the job. The Yankees aren’t a charity.
Wang had been a very effective and economical pitcher who went deep in games. The operative words are HAD BEEN. No one has any idea if he can be that again. His LisFranc injury derailed him, and afterward he wasn’t able to get hitters out.
He started to do better then his shoulder blew out. Sometimes genetics just don’t work out for people. Despite having the obvious talent, his body just might not hold up.
Signing a minor league deal allows a club to pay him to get healthy and try to rehab. There are a lot of pitchers who go through this after a major injury as Wang had. If they perform it would bring them back up in the majors, but there is no guarantee that he will ever be even close to what he had been.
This isn’t being negative on Wang, its just reality.
Many of us here were hoping that something would work out with Wang staying, but even a club with deep resources like the Yankees have do not like paying for a player that can’t play. The money in their contracts are guaranteed. I bet YOU wouldn’t like paying very significant amounts of dollars on something and get no return for it.
It is still possible that Wang is made a good deal by the Yankees and he comes back. Some club will pick him up in any event.
This is one of the heartbreaking things that we see with athletes. Sometimes their careers fail. They also have setbacks. Lets hope that for Wang it is only a setback and that he can return to pitching in the major leagues again. No one likes to see talent such as he had be lost.
Abdab,
If someone expresses support for Wang, they have a man-crush on him?
Ok, I have a man-crush on Wang.
Minor league deal, major league deal, whatever they can work out, I want Wang back in NY. He can rehab in the minors. I hope he doesn’t sign with another team, and I hope he returns to full strength by the end of the 2010 season.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mets try to sign him.
Johnny, did you read Dr.M’s over the top posts?
Any pitcher coming off their SECOND shoulder surgery is a huge question mark for how they are going to do. He is also coming off a major foot injury.
Apparently you only looked at the first sentence of my post and decided that was all there was to it instead of reading my whole post.
So, how about if I just focus on one small portion of what you wrote? You wrote I hope he doesn’t sign. I can ignore that there was far more to what you wrote than that, as you obviously did with my post. Is that right?
Dr.M is seeking revenge on the Yankees because they weren’t going to give Wang a lot of money in a case where he just might not return.
His having a man crush on Wang has caused common sense to be left aside and not accepting that there is a business side to the decision.
would M DeRosa out of the question for this team, utility player(infield & outfield/DH/PH….his age is up there but he can still produce
“Trolling is saying negative words without reasoning. I explain my reasons, so it’s not trolling.”
The urban dictionary defines it contra:
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thankful to notice someone have Mitre’s back (trisha)
he have potential.
I hope NYY rolls with what they have. No Lackey, no Halladay, no Lowe
we have: Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba, Aceves, Gaudin, Mitre, McCallister, Nova
that’s enuf.
Definitely no Lowe as a result of his contract.
Halladay depends on the price. Apart from him, they need to have room to sign a big free agent next season. That’s why they can’t give Damon two years.
Is Lowell deal really cratering? Thumb is suspect plus second issue: Commissioner must approve the significant cash portion of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4738602
Rich:
i agree. However, it is being reported NYY has offered Damon 2 years. It is probably a moot point tho, because i don’t believe he’s signing. Apparently Damon didn’t pay attention to what went down with Abreu last year
i forgot: Jason (don’t call me Judd) Hirsh
vinny-b
Sherman says otherwise:
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....3u74uFi0kK
But for this role, the Yanks are – I believe – only willing to commit one guaranteed year at around $8 million. That is a significant paycut for Damon, who is still looking for the same $13 million a year he just made and for no fewer than three years. Internally, the Yankees are wondering if Damon is about to become this year’s Bobby Abreu, who last year kept searching for a long-term deal commensurate to his past pay and wound up having to slink to the Angels for a one-year, $5 million deal.
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I doubt anyone really knows. I just hope they aren’t stupid enough to give him two years.
move Melky to left or go get someone who can field the position, move on from Damon,sign back Matsui,get a good utility player & a SP who can eat innings….
considering the Heyman is a shill for Boras (the person who reported 2 years) i would expect Sherman to be right.
either way, they appear far apart on a potential deal. I agree. 1 year and an option. Take it or leave it
really like what i’m hearing about Hoffmann. Hopefully he turns out to be more then the first baseman we picked via Rule 5, 2 years ago
Unless a Halladay deal becomes reality and Joba is used as part of the package going to Toronto, Mr. Chamberlain is best served to show he’s serious about his career and report to Tampa in mid January and get himself in correct pitching condition and in particular, adding strength to his legs for pushing off the mound. This will add a few MPH to his fastball and less strain on his pitching arm and shoulder. He’ll gain stamina and go deeper into games.
He won’t be at the minor league complex alone. Several teammates including Phil Hughes will be there already to begin early workouts.
I don’t think the Yankees are going to lose a lot of sleep if they make a responsible and fair offer to Damon and he rejects it.
While opinions differed at the time over his continued usefulness to the team, saying goodbye to Bernie Williams was the new Cashman benchmark for “responsibility” when it comes to Boras and his clients. Not saying that Williams had as much left in the tank as Damon does – I think Johnny still has offense in his old bones. But, IMO, if they can walk away from Bernie Williams, saying sayonara to Damon isn’t Mission Impossible.
Cashman gets slammed regularly for overpaying but when he non-tenders Wang and holds the line on Damon he also gets slammed (by some). Glad I’m not Cash most days.
Matt December 13th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Unless a Halladay deal becomes reality and Joba is used as part of the package going to Toronto, Mr. Chamberlain is best served to show he’s serious about his career and report to Tampa in mid January and get himself in correct pitching condition and in particular, adding strength to his legs for pushing off the mound. This will add a few MPH to his fastball and less strain on his pitching arm and shoulder. He’ll gain stamina and go deeper into games.
He won’t be at the minor league complex alone. Several teammates including Phil Hughes will be there already to begin early workouts.
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he’s a long way from being the SP they think he could be, the kid is a wreck on the mound, he’s never relaxed & it’s the same as he was in school…he needs his own private pitching coach in spring training
vinny-b
“really like what i’m hearing about Hoffmann. Hopefully he turns out to be more then the first baseman we picked via Rule 5, 2 years ago”
That’s the thing about these guys, they are intriguing players at the price and GMs always try to catch lightning in a bottle. They tease you with enough “potential” to get your eye and then the question quickly becomes “Why at 25 hasn’t this guy come closer to forcing his way into an MLB lineup already?” and “is he better than what they already have in hand?”
In Hoffman’s case it might be that he made a commitment to baseball late, throwing over Hockey only recently. Thus now focused on the seamed ball instead of a puck, maybe his baseball skills will develop quickly. Or maybe he will be a hockey player trying to make it in MLB.
At least this isn’t Drew Henson, Part Deux, where a real draft pick was wasted on a football player.
good morning muphydog-
nice to see the sunday morning blog tradition continues.
one thing that strikes me in the wang situation is how little that the mainstream news has only a small part of the story.
and on the blog not much better.
in a case where i have personal knowledge i can see how the media is telling only part of the story.
it makes me wonder, as in most cases, when i don’t know anything except what the media is saying.
first of all it’s a fact that the yankees have always tried to change wang.
they were never happy with 90% sinkers even though it was working.
what would you do as a gm if your triple a pitching coach taught one of your mid level pitching prospects a pitch that transformed him into one of the best pitchers in baseball almost overnight ?
this is an important question because the answer may explain why cashman seems oddly unappreciative with wang.
personally , i would do everything i could to keep that pitching coach in the organization.
i think most gms would.
the problem for cashman was that this pitching coach was hired by the tampa faction away from the blue jays where he was their minor league coach of the year.
so cashman’s dilemma is the better wang got the more credit the tampa faction got.
i’ll leave it right there for something to think about.
i think it explains why cashman is so conflicted with wang.
his enemy, the tampa faction , created wang.
one main fact that the yankees do not and do not know is that wang was coached by his original sinker coach at least through the 2008 spring training season.
wang had him on speed dial and would call whenever things went badly.
that means that during the two 19 win seasons, the go coach was outside the organization.
i suspect this is why guidry had so much success with wang in those years.
guidry is a close enough friend to send christmas cards to wang’s sinkerball teacher.
they go way back to the billy martin years of the yankees.
so wang’s success has a billy martin lineage.
think about it.
this is one reason why wang seems so much like a yankee.
his success came from the yankee torch being passed on.
dave rhighetti was also a good friend of this pitching coach that passed on the sinker to wang.
you might notice that rhighetti has been with the giants forever and he seems to have had some success with a guy named lincecum and others for a very long time.
rhighetti was a star. guidry was a star. wang’s pitching coach had years when he was a star.
stars were valued more by the tampa faction than by the new york faction .
there can be no debating that.
for organizational unity i can understand getting rid of people who are in a different faction. i believe cashman did that, and it’s worked for him in the sense he has a staff that is on the same page with him.
this is the real reason why i’ve softened my stance with him, and why i say he should just let wang go.
free willy wang !!!
cashman just was not able to deal with billy martin lineage coaches who were stars as players.
no problem there for me.
i happen to really like that lineage, but it will have to come back at a later time.
it’s right for cashman to move wang.
he’s one of the last vestiges of the billy martin years.
it’s easy to see why that just doesn’t work with cash money.
it’s just not his style.
he can win with his approach so let him go there 100%.
free willy !!!
let wang go.
let him win somewhere else.
he deserves the chance.
randy, I agree up to a point, best move for both parties is to part ways. Nothing personal, this is business.
Hopefully the Wangmeister can come back and be a productive major leaguer for some team that can handle him. And this brings me to the main beef I’ve had with Wang throughout his tenure in pinstripes(good years and bad year):
Why is he so damn fragile that he needs a coach at this stage in his career to keep things from blowing up on the mound. You would think with a pro in their late 20s, they know themselves, their strengths, their release points their arm slot by heart and they are capable of making their own adjustments to some extent and at least go into damage control during an inning. Why is it when he didn’t have his good sinker working he’s toast? It never seemed like he could adjust on the fly.
Best of luck to the Wangmeister.
Abdab,
you’re just like cashman, you have no loyalty and faith in a player. once they get injured, just dump them and buy better ones. im a yankee fan but the way cashman makes offers to wang and torre is ridiculous
btw, you’re right because i am loyal to yankee players, i have a man crush on wang and im a stupid troll?! grow up
I think it would be smart for the Mets to take a chance on Wang. They could use an extra pitcher and its just a roll of the dice ($4-5 million I suppose). There’s no place on the Yanks for Wang anyway so he could stay in NY and help the Mets if he deems himself healthy. He probably will be re-habbing for the first few months but he could be a viable acquistion like a July trade deadline type.