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Free agent market finally complete

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After Saturday night’s non-tender deadline, the full free agent market has now taken shape. MLBTradeRumors has the complete list of non-tenders. The site also has a list of standouts. Chien-Ming Wang, obviously, makes the standout list.

A few names that might make sense for the Yankees.
Remember, a lot of these guys might be available on fairly reasonable contracts, maybe even minor league deals.

RHP Matt Capps: Coming off a bad year, Capps was solid as the Pirates closer in 2007 and 2008. He doesn’t walk many guys. Depending on the price, he might be worth a look as a potential seventh or eighth inning reliever. He’s only 26.

1B Ryan Garko: Even in a down year, Garko hit .308/.391/.479 against left-handed pitchers. A platoon of Garko and Juan Miranda at designated hitter? In theory, it’s worth looking into, but Garko is pretty much limited to first base when he plays the field (he has some experience in the outfield corners and he caught in the minors) and I’m not sure it’s wise to carry three first basemen. If the Yankees signed a left-handed outfielder/DH — you know who I’m thinking of — then Garko might make some sense.

3B Garrett Atkins: Another right-handed hitter with power. He doesn’t play third base well, but he could play third and first on days Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira start at DH. Good opportunity to buy low on a guy who had at least 21 home runs and 99 RBIs for three years in a row. Keep in mind, he was helped considerably by playing in Coors Field where he’s a career .327/.385/.507 hitter.

RHP Clay Condrey: Veteran long reliever who generates a lot of groundballs and doesn’t walk many guys. He made $650,000 this year, so he wouldn’t be expensive and might be available on a minor league deal. I saw him quite a bit in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre back when the Phillies Triple-A team was there. He’s a nice pitcher, good long man to have at the back of the bullpen.

C John Buck: A 29-year-old major league veteran with some power. Could the Yankees could get him on a minor league deal to play in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre as this year’s Kevin Cash?

 
 

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127 Responses to “Free agent market finally complete”

  1. blake December 13th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Matt Capps is interesting, I think he could be a good setup option at the right price but lately Cashman has liked to save payroll by filling the bullpen from within and its worked out pretty well. If they are going to lower payroll then by the time they sign a LF/DH and a starter I don’t think they will have any room left in the budget for a bullpen guy.

  2. joeman December 13th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    the only one I would touch in that group is Capps,because of his age & what he has done( some good things) in the past

  3. joeman December 13th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Bring in M DeRosa….even at his age he would be a great addition to this team

  4. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    if damon is history, NYY needs either a LF or DH

    can Melky/Gardner/Hoffmann hold down LF?? I believe they can

    it comes down to DH. I like the following choices: Matsui, Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff ?, Jim Thome ?

    feedback?

  5. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    The options to me are 1. sign Damon and platoon him and Melky in LF and Damon DH the other days 2. sign matsui as DH and play Melky in LF 3. go for the gusto and sign Holliday and fill the DH from within.

    Those are about the only 3 options I like. I really don’t think Damon should be playing the outfield anymore. If the Yankees bring him back then he should mainly DH IMO.

  6. EL Duque December 13th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Bring DeRosa to the Bronx ! We need players who can play multiple positions!

  7. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    blake:

    cut the Matt Holliday talk. NYY is not signing him. It is a waste of bandwith

  8. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    is DeRosa able to hit?

  9. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    one main fact that the yankees do not and do not know is that wang was coached by his original sinker coach at least through the 2008 spring training season.
    wang had him on speed dial and would call whenever things went badly.

    that means that during the two 19 win seasons, the go to coach was outside the organization.

    i suspect this is why guidry had so much success with wang in those years.
    guidry is a close enough friend to send christmas cards to wang’s sinkerball teacher.
    they go way back to the billy martin years of the yankees.

    so wang’s success has a billy martin lineage.
    think about it.
    this is one reason why wang seems so much like a yankee.

    his success came from the yankee torch being passed on.
    dave rhighetti was also a good friend of this pitching coach that passed on the sinker to wang.

    you might notice that rhighetti has been with the giants forever and he seems to have had some success with a guy named lincecum and others for a very long time.
    rhighetti was a star. guidry was a star. wang’s pitching coach had years when he was a star.

    stars were valued more by the tampa faction than by the new york faction .
    there can be no debating that.

    for organizational unity i can understand getting rid of people who are in a different faction. i believe cashman did that, and it’s worked for him in the sense he has a staff that is on the same page with him.

    this is the real reason why i’ve softened my stance with him, and why i say he should just let wang go.
    free willy wang !!!

    cashman just was not able to deal with billy martin lineage coaches who were stars as players.
    no problem there for me.

    i happen to really like that lineage, but it will have to come back at a later time.
    it’s right for cashman to move wang.

    in a way ,he’s one of the last vestiges of the billy martin years.
    it’s easy to see why that just doesn’t work with cash money.
    it’s just not his style.

    he can win with his approach so let him go there 100%.
    free willy !!!

    let wang go.
    let him win somewhere else.
    he deserves the chance.

  10. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Derosa is not going to be cheap. I think he is more of a luxury than a need. If all the other needs are filled and they have room in the budget then by all means.

  11. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    vinny-b, you don’t know what they are going to do so don’t presume you do. I was offering it as an option, an unlikely one, but it is an option and if his price drops far enough I think they will consider it.

  12. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Randy, so do you think they will sign Wang? Would he accept a minor league deal?

  13. Terry from NH December 13th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    I’d jump in the Holliday talks just to drive the price up for Boston cause they may become desperate now since Bay most likely isn’t coming back.. Save the money for next years FA market. More attractive options next year.. Granderson trade solidifies some options for them.. Yanks do need to fill the #4 starter though now.

  14. ThePost15 December 13th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    What about Jonny Gomes? Career .885 OPS against lefties

    Wouldn’t be a bad idea to give Granderson a rest and put Melky in Center, Gomes in right…if Damon doesn’t sign of course.

  15. 108 stiches December 13th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    If he’s willing, John Buck would be a good signing for AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in the event of injury to Posada or Cervelli.

  16. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    I agree that adding another starter is the priority but no matter what people on this board say I’m sure Cashman is monitoring the situation with Holliday. I’m not saying he’s going to pull a Mark Teixera from last year and swoop in on him because I don’t think that will happen but if teams aren’t competing for him and Boston drags their feet, then I can see things changing

  17. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Buck would be a good signing for Scranton if he were willing

  18. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 13th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Capps might be a good choice as a possible set-up man. But of course that depends on where Joba and Phil are starting the season.

  19. CR9 December 13th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Report: Lowell injury holding up trade

    Via ESPN

  20. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    not possible.

    the RedSox wouldn’t send damaged goods

  21. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    this article from 2006 by bob klapisch really shows what the yankees had with wang and how he got there.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2553144

    “That would explain why Wang is unafraid to keep challenging hitters over and over. Posada estimates 85 percent of Wang’s pitches are sinkers. In beating the Devil Rays on July 8, Wang tossed out his other weapons altogether and threw 100 percent sinkers.

    Those numbers become even more impressive in light of Wang’s relative unfamiliarity with the pitch. As recently as two years ago, he was relying on the curveball and four-seam fastball, until Triple-A pitching coach Neil Allen taught Wang how to crack the code on the two-seamer.”

    on diamond back prospective trade: “I was hoping they wouldn’t, but his name never came up,” Yankees GM Brian Cashman said. “I guess people didn’t think he was very good. Or else no one thought very much of the way we developed prospects. They must’ve figured if Wang was our best, how good could he be?”

    Truth is, the Diamondbacks did scout Wang that summer, but he made no impression.

    Bryan Lambe, who now scouts for the Mets, told The New York Times, “I’d like to say I never saw him, but I did, maybe for a game or at least a part of a game.

    “He pitched well, but not like now. He didn’t have that velocity or that kind of sink. Natural maturity took care of the velocity, but somebody fine-tuned him, because that sinker is as good as anybody’s.”

  22. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    lol

    a cut & paste for Cano, as well

  23. CR9 December 13th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    I am repeating a question from yesterday, as it got no responses.

    Does anyone know if Mike Lupica is an actual human being?

    I get the feeling he is an anti-NY robot created by Stephen King.

    ___

    BTW, I thought it was worth noting that Lupica was nonexistent on the Sports Reporters after the Yankees won the WS.

  24. brian December 13th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    buck will get a major league deal somewhere, he’s young enough that somebody will give him a chance. as a cubs fan, i’d rather have him backing up soto than koyie hill

  25. lordbyron December 13th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Sign Capps!

  26. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    CR9:

    you received no response, as the term robot is politically incorrect. Mike Lupica is an android.

  27. Elbo December 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    It’s hilarious that anyone thinks John Buck will sign a minor league deal.

    Johnny Gomes is the person of interest here.

  28. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “so do you think they will sign Wang? Would he accept a minor league deal?”

    blake-

    i don’t know if the yankees will sign wang.

    i think the only way they will is if it dawns on cashman that there is the small chance of the potential for professional disaster for cashman if wang signs with the red sox and the red sox and then goes back to winning 15 or more games.

    if this happens it would be professional embarrassment that cashman would never live down.

    i’m no expert on baseall rules for moving players , but if it was wiithin the rules, it may have been smarter for the yankees to have designated wang for assignment and move him to a team they prefer like in the national league.

    if wang goes to the red sox, cashman will be sweating buckets.

    well, as much as a non athlete can sweat.

    that was a joke.

  29. joeman December 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Derosa is not going to be cheap. I think he is more of a luxury than a need. If all the other needs are filled and they have room in the budget then by all means.
    —————————————————–

    he can play OF & IN…nice DH/PH with POP!!!! made 4.7 mil last year…

  30. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    I think Lupica is actually a clone. Scientists were trying to create the most smug human being imaginable.

  31. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    randy:

    Wang had an injury history, and that was before he had shoulder problems. Cashman will not have anything to live down, other then being a solid GM

  32. Josh December 13th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Jose arredondo is priority number 1. He is injured but he is very good when healthy.

  33. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    joeman, he also hit .228 with the Cardinals after being traded in the 2nd half last year. He would be nice to have around but I think there are more important moves to make.

  34. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Randy, how much do you predict Wang will cost for 2010? I mean if he’s cheap then why not? He could be a huge plus if he can get the sinker sinking again.

  35. yankee21 December 13th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    randy,

    Regarding your comments about Wang, I agree up to a point, best move for both parties is to part ways. Nothing personal, this is business.

    Hopefully the Wangmeister can come back and be a productive major leaguer for some team that can handle him. And this brings me to the main beef I had with Wang throughout his tenure in pinstripes(good years and bad year):

    Why was he so damn fragile that he needs a hands on coach at this stage in his career to keep things from blowing up on the mound. You would think with a pro in their late 20s, they know themselves, their strengths, their release points their arm slot by heart and they are capable of making their own adjustments to some extent and at least go into damage control during an inning. Why is it when he didn’t have his good sinker working he was s toast?

    Although he was a seasoned veteran, he seemed to lack a certain pitching maturity commensurate with his experience level.

  36. Corey December 13th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Wouldnt mind the Yankees taking a look at Capps. Maybe Atkins for a utilty infielder when guys need a rest.

  37. blake December 13th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Why would the Sox sign Wang? They already filled their pitching needs when they signed Boof Bonser. (Boof will probably win 20 games next year I’ve made fun of him so much, if he does its my fault…sorry guys)

  38. PittsburghYankeeFan December 13th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Wang is not going to the Red Sox. His Fenway ERA is near 7. His time with the Yanks may not be done–minor league deal in April/May. Giants and Cards will look carefully at him. However, be suspicious when the home club cuts bait–there’s something that they know that the rest do not?

    Matt Capps is interesting. He can be very atrocious when he is bad. Not needed.

    Johnny Gomes would be interesting–likely better than that rule 5 guy. Maybe float him a minor league contract and see how he does in the spring, taking him or the rule 5 guy?

    I think Yankees are going to get one of Damon/Matsui, and it’s going to be astonishingly cheap.

  39. Corey December 13th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Yankee 21: The thing about Wang was he didn’t battle that good during games. If he was on he was unhittable. When it it went bad my god. Wang had a real nice run though. That being said I wouldn’t be opposed to the Yankees bringing him back for a lower incentive deal.

  40. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    if Matsui signs somewhere else, Jim Thome ?

  41. Nick December 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    With Bruney and Coke gone, I wouldn’t mind seeing Condrey being picked up.

  42. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I like the idea of DeRosa as a super sub who can play anywhere.

  43. PittsburghYankeeFan December 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I like Jim Thome, but he makes Matsui look like Brett Gardner. Pass.

  44. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Juan Miranda

  45. blake December 13th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I also like Thome but I haven’t seen him play enough lately to know what he has left. I do know that in his prime he may have hit some balls out of Yankee Stadium if he had been a Yankee then.

  46. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Tom:

    true. If NYY doesn’t sign Nick Johnson, Miranda is probably better then other DH options

  47. Dollar Bill December 13th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    I read on one of the beat reporters twitters that Girardi was in love with Alfredo Amezaga in Florida & if he was non-tendered,would push to add him to the 25 man roster.

  48. blake December 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    If the Yankees don’t sign a DH then I say bring up Montero after a month or two and lets see what hes got.

  49. Jerkface December 13th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Yankee 21: The thing about Wang was he didn’t battle that good during games. If he was on he was unhittable. When it it went bad my god. Wang had a real nice run though. That being said I wouldn’t be opposed to the Yankees bringing him back for a lower incentive deal.

    what the Yankee’s rightly recognized, regardless of Randy’s blustering, is that its impossible to battle when you have 1 pitch. It basically destroys your ability to fight back if you don’t have the pitch that day.

  50. wallypip December 13th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Would Marcus Thames be an option as a righthanded DH/Leftfielder? Sems to me that he would be a better righthnaded complement to Damon than the infielders mentioned.

  51. squidward December 13th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    “If the Yankees don’t sign a DH then I say bring up Montero after a month or two and lets see what hes got.”

    If they hope to develop him as a catcher, he’s probably going to need at least another full season in the minors, maybe two. IMO, they bring him up to DH this year, they are saying he’s not a catcher.

  52. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    “Wang had an injury history, and that was before he had shoulder problems. Cashman will not have anything to live down, other then being a solid GM”

    vinny-

    this article includes info about the shoulder:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

    “Fourteen starts into his professional career Wang blew out his shoulder and sat out the entire 2001 season following surgery. He was told by the Yankees that he had to bag his out pitch, the slider, to ease the stress on his arm. In the summer of ’04 he learned the pitch that would change his career. During a bullpen session shortly after his promotion to Triple A Columbus, Clippers pitching coach Neil Allen approached him with a suggestion. “Try this,” Allen said to Wang, holding the ball with his index and middle fingers along the seams that framed the ball’s sweet spot. “Push harder here,” he said, tapping his index finger against the ball.”
    —————————————————

    it appears to me that the coaching staff back before the present regime told wang to not throw the slider.

    if that’s the case, and this article says it is the case, then the present yankees staff pushing him to throw sliders may have unintentionally increased the chances his shoulder would be damaged.

    if the slider is what causes his shoulder problems and wang goes to another team who encourages him to just throws sinkers why would his shoulder be a problem.

    it is within the realm of possibility that wang could go to the red sox and win 15 games.

    i still say that it’s a potential nightmare for cashman.

    if i were him , i’d take that remote possibility off the table.

    to prevent this, he should sign wang to a reasonable rehab contract and have him just throw sinkers , bring him back as much as possible and then if his success is not enough for the yankees to keep him, move him somewhere where he won’t come back and haunt the yankees.

    plus maybe they could get something in a trade.

    i don’t think it’ll happen though.

  53. blake December 13th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “If they hope to develop him as a catcher, he’s probably going to need at least another full season in the minors, maybe two. IMO, they bring him up to DH this year, they are saying he’s not a catcher.”

    I was thinking maybe he could catch every 3rd game or something. I don’t know where he is in that development or what the Yankees think about him being able to stick behind the plate but the earlier he learns to hit big league pitching the better he will be in the longrun.

  54. charlestonchew December 13th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    If we sign Matsui, we have the best lineup in baseball still.

    For instance,

    Derek Jeter SS
    Curtis Granderson CF
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Hideki Matsui DH
    Jorge Posada C
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF
    Melky Cabrera/Gardner LF

    That is a great lineup. Of those players, 8 have 20 HR power (Jeter being a stretch, but possible).
    Of those players, all of them have an OBP around or higher than .350. In fact, three of them have over a .380 OBP, 4 with over a .370 OBP, 6 with over a .360. and 7 with over a .350.

    That lineup, in 2009, had combined for: 237 homeruns — 797 Runs (not counting the over 100 runs by the Penas, Cervellis, Molinas, etc) — 788 RBI (again not counting the over 100 RBI from bench players and extras) — 108 SB (without the steals by bench players) —

    Consider that Alex Rodriguez was hurt for much of the year. That lineup is perfectly fine to go into 2010 with. There is no need for Damon if we get Matsui. I agree that Damon is perhaps the most valuable player on this team when he is here (his steals, homeruns, rbi, clutch abilities out of the #2 hole are impressive), but Matsui is the better option here for likely less money. It frees up some cash for a FA pitcher or bullpen arm.

    That offense will score 900 runs and the pitching staff will likely improve with Hughes and Joba in the rotation (they’ve got to be better than Gaudin, Mitre, and Aceves).

    This team is set. We don’t need Jason Bay to win the World Series. We don’t need Matt Holliday. We just need one Godzilla.

  55. blake December 13th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Charlestonchew, I think thats the most reasonable thing for them to do if they are serious about lowering the payroll. They could sign Matsui and another starting pitcher like Ben Sheets and likely still come in under last years payroll. As I’ve said I prefer Matsui to Damon now that they have Granderson because I think he will accept a one year deal and he can hit behind Arod.

  56. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    “what the Yankee’s rightly recognized, regardless of Randy’s blustering, is that its impossible to battle when you have 1 pitch.”

    jerkface-

    define blustering.

    i’m putting up links backing up my argument.

    i’m putting out info that i got directly from the guy who taught wang the sinker.

    what are you putting out ?

    if you want to refrain from personal attacks, i think this will be a better discussion.

    if you think i’m making things up, i’m perfectly willing to answer any of your questions about how i know what i”m saying.

  57. squidward December 13th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    “There is no need for Damon if we get Matsui”

    It’s definitely one or the other at this point. My sense is they are not wild about Granderson as a #2 hitter and would rather see him in the 5 or 6 hole, thus making Damon their preference. Damon is going to have to get a few miles closer to reality in terms of his next contract for it to happen.

  58. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    “i still say that it’s a potential nightmare for cashman.”

    Are you kidding? The dude just came off a year in which he won the WS and has his team in good shape to try again next season. You’re the only one that is continuing to harp about Cashman being responsible about Wang’s problems. Sorry, but your platform here isn’t loud enough to cause a pimple on Cashman’s butt.

  59. squidward December 13th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    “You’re the only one that is continuing to harp about Cashman being responsible about Wang’s problems”

    Not blaming Cashman personally, but I’m with Randy on the idea that the Yankees badly mismanaged Wang’s rehab. Didn’t quite meet the level of smashing his arm with a lead pipe or anything, but it was poorly handled.

  60. blake December 13th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    I’d much rather give Matsui one year than Damon two years.

  61. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    “Not blaming Cashman personally, but I’m with Randy on the idea that the Yankees badly mismanaged Wang’s rehab. Didn’t quite meet the level of smashing his arm with a lead pipe or anything, but it was poorly handled.”

    I’m not questioning the Yankees could’ve handled Wang’s rehab better, but this poster keeps harping all year long that it’s Cashman’s fault alone. Sure, he’s the GM, but the GM’s usually listen to their medical professionals regarding such things and goes along with their recommendations. Also, I think Cashman would be remiss in his job as GM not to ask his medical staff to review their handling of Wang’s rehab to prevent this type of situation from happening in the future. The learning curve for what happened to the Yankees with Wang was an expensive one that an executive like Cashman wouldn’t want to see again with another player.

  62. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    ” You would think with a pro in their late 20s, they know themselves, their strengths, their release points their arm slot by heart and they are capable of making their own adjustments to some extent and at least go into damage control during an inning. Why is it when he didn’t have his good sinker working he was s toast?”

    yankee 21-

    wang was always toast before he had the sinker. he was no big deal:
    “Truth is, the Diamondbacks did scout Wang that summer, but he made no impression.

    Bryan Lambe, who now scouts for the Mets, told The New York Times, “I’d like to say I never saw him, but I did, maybe for a game or at least a part of a game.

    “He pitched well, but not like now. He didn’t have that velocity or that kind of sink. Natural maturity took care of the velocity, but somebody fine-tuned him, because that sinker is as good as anybody’s.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2553144

    when teams were expecting the sinker, he could go a game and throw his other pitches and be lights out , but it was only because they were looking sinker.

    from reading more about wang, it appears the slider is an injury pitch for him.

    what’s so wrong with being a primarily a one pitch pitcher if that pitch allows you to win more than 15 games a year?

    i realize wang is a hot button issue for some( his success is a challenge to sabermetric dogma)

    all i am trying to do here is to talk about something i think s important and go on record that there are potential pitfalls for the yankees in releasing him.

    wang is going to have a history from this point on. i’m just speculating on it.

    i can see scenarios where he could be very good still, but they depend on him just throwing the sinker primarily.

  63. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    “I’m not questioning the Yankees could’ve handled Wang’s rehab better, but this poster keeps harping all year long that it’s Cashman’s fault alone. ”

    crawdaddy:

    if you want to talk to me directly , i’m right here.

    if you want to ignore info that is true , that’s your choice, but there are other people who like the information.

    if you actually have some information or links great. i’d like to learn as much as possible about wang.

  64. MTU December 13th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Here’s my take (and 2 cents):

    On Wang:
    I agree with Randy and others with respect to the way the Yanks mis-handled Wang last year. I do not know if it was
    intentional or not but it was definitely misguided.They paid him for no or little production last year. They are likely to part ways. The Dodgers or cards might be good fits.

    On Matsui/Damon:
    I think they each bring a set of plusses and minuses to the equation that is the team. Either will provide the needed offense. Mats is strictly a DH, damon a DH/LF. Therefore, Damon offers the greater flexibility to the team.
    Money enters into the equation w. mats likely cheaper.
    Availability factors in also with Mats being more likely to sign IMO (smaller market).

    Starting rotation:
    Couple of ways to go there.
    1 Leave things as they are
    2 Get a reclamation project pitcher like sheets or duke
    I favor # 2 assuming the price/years are right.

    Bullpen:
    fix it from within

    Bench:
    Fix it from within or maybe bring back 1 experienced bench guy if it fits the budget.

    Bostons troubles:
    Priceless !

    Done.

  65. Bret the Hitman December 13th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    That entire list is a waste of time.

  66. yankee21 December 13th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    randy

    thanks for the response. your points are fair.

  67. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Cafardo needs to stick to analzying his team’s shortcomings and not the Yankees. They need another starting pitcher, but that pitcher doesn’t have to be Lackey or Halladay. They might need another reliever, but that doesn’t mean they have to sign an expensive Gonzalez (both in salary & the cost of our #1 draft choice) to help in the bullpen. I agree with him that Cashman needs to be careful with Damon and Matsui, not only because of their production, but their presence in the clubhouse. I think it would be a mistake to let both of them walk. At least one of them needs to back with the team. Right now, I’m uncomfortable with our current candidates for the #2 hole as Swisher doesn’t make enough contact for that slot even with his walks while Granderson needs to tighten up his batting approach especially against lefty pitching. Furthermore, I have some concern about which batter is behind Arod. Whomever it is, better be good because I don’t want opposing teams constantly pitching around Arod to get to our #5 hitter because he’s not getting it done.

    Interesting decisions Cashman has to make over the next several weeks.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....?page=full

  68. MTU December 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    2 more.

    Halladay:
    only if the price drops in terms of players required and he will agree to an extension.

    Further trades:
    Always possible.
    I think trading one of Melky/Gardner will like occur.

    Apologies for the length of these posts.

  69. MTU December 13th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Hitman-
    why do you say that ? What do you agree /disagree with. All of it ?

  70. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    LOL Craw…….

    I try to stay out of most conversations involving Wang because they generally involve trashing Cashman. I liked Wang – I never loved him. I’m sorry he got hurt- he was a very fine pitcher. The Yankees made the right decision in non-tendering him. I think they would like him back on a minor-league deal – which is fair. If Wang personalizes it and refuses or he is still upset about the team taking him to arbitration (which is ridiculous – that happens all the time, it’s just business), then he won’t re-sign and he’ll rehab on someone else’s dime. I do not think he’ll be back – his agent basically said he won’t (something about it being hard to rebuild bridges. That sounds to me like Wang/Nero DID take the non-tendering personally.

    Cash has done a fantastic job and he doesn’t have to apologize for anything.

  71. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    “if you want to talk to me directly , i’m right here.

    if you want to ignore info that is true , that’s your choice, but there are other people who like the information.

    if you actually have some information or links great. i’d like to learn as much as possible about wang.”

    I don’t need to talk you because you know I think you’re full of it regarding your personal vendetta against Cashman. Secondly, you’ve been posting the same links week after week and singing the same old song about them. There is nothing new here and I seriously doubt there are many posters that don’t know what happen with Wang.

  72. MTU December 13th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Craw-
    I made an error. Were you referring to my post or Randy’s ?
    because I made a list of things too.

  73. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    I don’t know much about Boof Bonser, but isn’t it strange that an NL scout would be calling him a horse (doubt he was coming of TJ surgery) and then saying he’s a better reliever?

  74. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    “Secondly, you’ve been posting the same links week after week and singing the same old song about them. There is nothing new here and I seriously doubt there are many posters that don’t know what happen with Wang.”

    crawdaddy-

    you know all this ?

    “WHILE MANY other ballplayers from Taiwan have suffered physical breakdowns at a young age, Wang is still pitching into his late 20s. Tsao was the Rockies’ minor league pitcher of the year in 2003, but over the past five seasons he made five trips to the disabled list, had two arm surgeries and logged only eight major league starts. The 26-year-old Tsao is trying to reclaim his career with the Kansas City Royals’ Triple A affiliate in Omaha. Kuo, the Dodgers lefthander, had two Tommy John operations in the last five seasons, during which he worked a total of 102 innings. At the start of the 2008 season there were 25 Taiwanese players under contract to MLB organizations, roughly a quarter of whom were pitchers who have spent time on the disabled list.

    Grueling training regimens in Taiwanese colleges and professional leagues have been blamed for the short careers of pitchers. When he was 18, Tsao says, he followed a half hour of long toss with a three-hour bullpen session and an hour of pitching live batting practice. He once started three games in a four-game tournament. But many believe that the arm abuse begins even earlier. “By the time they get to college, they’re already damaged,” says the director of Asian scouting of one major league team.

    “In the Little Leagues, it’s about quantity of practice, not quality,” says Kao, Wang’s college coach who also was an assistant on the Tainan team that won the 1986 Little League World Series. “Mentally, we push the kids too hard, which is why so many don’t go further. [At Williamsport in '86] we had lunch once next to an amusement park, and I remember seeing the boys crowded at a window watching the players from the other teams go. We wouldn’t let them go play. They’d waste their energy, the [other] coaches said. I felt sorry for them.”

    Are such attitudes changing? “Changing,” Kao says, “but slowly changing.”

    Wang recalls rigorous throwing regimens and high pitch counts in Taiwan, but he doesn’t criticize the practices. “I don’t think [the workloads] have hurt me,” he says. “Maybe it’s made me stronger.” Since his arm surgery in 2001, Wang has avoided serious injury; he missed two months with shoulder tendinitis in ’05 and was on the disabled list to start last season with a strained right hamstring. “I think he’ll be fine,” says Storvick, the Mariners scout, who is based in Taiwan. “One thing going for him is that he’s got a real smooth delivery.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

  75. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    People seem to think Wang’s career took a downward spiral during that fateful day in Houston.

    However, even before that day Wang was losing the effectiveness of his sinker. In 2008 his GB% continued its trend down and his LD% was up. And this were not just small changes. In 2005 Wang’s first season here his LD% was 14%. In 2008 his LD% was up to 22%.

    Wang was losing the effectiveness of his sinker well before that day in Houston. Without that, he had to throw more sliders because he had no other effective pitch. That is also why his K/9 were way up in 2008, because he HAD to use the slider more.

  76. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    “Craw-
    I made an error. Were you referring to my post or Randy’s ?
    because I made a list of things too.”

    I haven’t said anything about what you posted today.

  77. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    “I don’t know much about Boof Bonser, but isn’t it strange that an NL scout would be calling him a horse (doubt he was coming of TJ surgery) and then saying he’s a better reliever?”

    Well, it’s something about a pitcher named Boof that doesn’t frighten me when the Yankees have to face him.

  78. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    randy: thank you for the info (wang). Interesting

  79. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Morning, Randy. I would love to see Wang back with NYY and get back to his prior status. I’m not so sure that he won’t get there. Allen has been a good teacher where ever he’s been. Not the same can be said for Eiland, though. He seems to have reached his limit in Scranton, because he hasn’t impressed me since his promotion.

    Loved Guidry, but, I loved the work that Mel Stottlemyre did, more. The fact that he threw that same power sinker as Wang, with even better results would have made him the perfect wall for Wang to bounce his problems off of.

    People seem to forget that Wang had a mid-90s fastball. One only needs to go back a couple of years to the Mets game, when he threw about 90% fastballs and took a three-hitter into the 8th inning, and ended up with 10 strikeouts and one walk in 8.2 innings. Nothing but high fastballs.

  80. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I also don’t have a clue as to why we tendered Mitre. He’s going to be paid a little over $1 million in arb, correct? He stinks – he’s not worth half that.

  81. 86w183 December 13th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Randy you’ve always turned people off on this issue because you did make it very personal about Cashman.

    There’s no doubt in my mind there were a serious of mistakes made by the organization starting with bringing him north in the first place and letting him throw before he rebuild his lower body.

    I’m sure he’ll do what 90 percent of players do, take the best guarantee he can get for 2010 financially. I with him well as long as that guarantee comes from an NL team.

    Still plenty of options for DH and bench, but John Buck is way too good for a minor league contract. He’s also only 30 in July so he would be younger and cheaper and a better hitter than Molina. If they aren’t sold on Cervelli that’s a good option.

    I like Garrett Atkins as a bench player/righty DH if they go that route. His H/A splits are significant but he really hits LHP well. Don’t kow if he’s superfluous if Damon returns, but probably so.

  82. Tom in N.J. December 13th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    GB, how are you?

  83. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    it looks like Boston is conceding this off-season. And only campaigning to sign Beltre & Cameron

  84. Buddy Biancalana December 13th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    randy-

    So how come Wang wasn’t able to keep in touch with Allen? Was he being restricted on purpose by the Yanks?

  85. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    “Randy you’ve always turned people off on this issue because you did make it very personal about Cashman.

    There’s no doubt in my mind there were a serious of mistakes made by the organization starting with bringing him north in the first place and letting him throw before he rebuild his lower body.”

    There you go and I agree with everything you said.

  86. Mike December 13th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Craw,

    If we get another pitcher (Sheets, etc.), one of the kids will most likely be the one filling the relief void. So you kill 2 birds with one stone.

    I do agree that the pen and rotation needs a little more depth.

  87. vinny-b December 13th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    personally i would sign Matt Holliday, but whatever Boston

  88. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    “I also don’t have a clue as to why we tendered Mitre. He’s going to be paid a little over $1 million in arb, correct? He stinks – he’s not worth half that.”

    He’s relatively cheap starting pitching depth that the Yankees are hoping he shows something come spring training to either keep him, but more likely trade to some other team that needs starting pitching.

  89. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    crawdaddy-

    “Fourteen starts into his professional career Wang blew out his shoulder and sat out the entire 2001 season following surgery. He was told by the Yankees that he had to bag his out pitch, the slider, to ease the stress on his arm.”
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

    he was told by who on the yankees?

    think about it.

    nothing against the present staff, but the old staff at that time knew that the slider had the potential for increasing likelihood of injury to wang.

    did the the yankees in the past few years push the slider with wang?

    didn’t previous coaches say that the slider was a pitch that could cause injury to wang?

    it seems to me you have an opinion and that no new info to you will change that opinion.

    and don’t be afraid to provide some links sometimes to back up your opinion.

    i know you value your opinion highly, but some besides just that you say so would be nice.

  90. Joseph December 13th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Even if Boston only signs Cameron/Beltre, they will still be a very good team.

    Beckett/Lester/Buchholz/DiceK/Wakefield

    A very good bullpen.

    A lineup that is still going to be top 5 in baseball, and a top tier defense (especially if they add 2 of the best defenders in baseball in Cameron and Beltre).

    If I’m a Sox fan, I’m not complaining about that team.

  91. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    “Craw,

    If we get another pitcher (Sheets, etc.), one of the kids will most likely be the one filling the relief void. So you kill 2 birds with one stone.

    I do agree that the pen and rotation needs a little more depth.”

    Mike,

    Yes, I agree that a Sheets performing well as a starter will cause Cashman and the Yankees to re-evaluate Hughes or Joba going to the bullpen.

  92. blake December 13th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    “it looks like Boston is conceding this off-season. And only campaigning to sign Beltre & Cameron”

    This is why I haven’t ruled out Holliday. Its not likely but if Bay signs elsewhere and Boston doesn’t get involved then Holliday may come as a bargain. I don’t know how the market is going to play out but you never know.

  93. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    GB, Hope you are doing well.

  94. hobbie December 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    any thought to having the Yanks sign Miguel olivo. He just got cut loose from the Royals after a 23 HR campaign.

  95. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    “Even if Boston only signs Cameron/Beltre, they will still be a very good team.

    Beckett/Lester/Buchholz/DiceK/Wakefield

    A very good bullpen.

    A lineup that is still going to be top 5 in baseball, and a top tier defense (especially if they add 2 of the best defenders in baseball in Cameron and Beltre).

    If I’m a Sox fan, I’m not complaining about that team.”

    Joseph,

    I agree that some Yankee fans are writing off the Red Sox much too early and that they can still field a good team without Bay or Holliday while at the same time, they’re setting up their payroll structure to make a big splash in 2011.

  96. blake December 13th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    If the Yankees sign Sheets then Joba goes to the pen and I love our pitching staff in 2010.

  97. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    December 13th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    GB, how are you?

    ————————————————————

    Afternoon, Tom. Other than it hurts like Hell to cought, swallow, eat, breathe and break wind, I’m feeling pretty good. Hope you and yours are doing fine. Thank you very much for asking.

  98. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    hurts like Hell to ***cough***

  99. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    GB, I hope you’re doing well today!

    Why don’t you like Eiland?

  100. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Craw, Boof is a funny name, but if he pitches well it won’t be so funny, lol

  101. 86w183 December 13th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    It should never be painful to break wind!

    Hang in there GB… you have a lot of anonymous “friends” here pulling for you

  102. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member
    December 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    GB, Hope you are doing well.

    ————————————————————

    Thank you, Fran, for the kind thoughts.

  103. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    “Why don’t you like Eiland?”

    I’m not GB, but I haven’t seen Eiland make any of his starting pitchers better yet. He needs to do that before he starts getting credit like Long as done with his hitters.

  104. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    The Sox have a terrific bullpen?

    Why are they conceding the season – just because they really don’t want Jason Bay? I’m sure they will sign HOlliday. Regardless, I expect them to be a very good team like they always are. They could certainly pop back into the Doc sweepstakes and I expect them to sign Chapman (obviously he wouldn’t help for 2010, but for the future). They are not done by any means.

  105. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    “Craw, Boof is a funny name, but if he pitches well it won’t be so funny, lol”

    Betsy,

    When he pitches well then I’ll start worrying about old Boof.

  106. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
    GB, I hope you’re doing well today!

    Why don’t you like Eiland?

    ————————————————————

    afternoon, Betsy. Doing well, thank you for asking.

    Not that I don’t like Eiland, though, I think he’d be ok in the bullpen, but, none of his pitchers seem to have gotten past what he taught them at AAA. I just feel like he’s rather limited in experience and knowledge. It’s like the only thing he can teach is junkballing. Not every pitcher can do that, nor, should they. It’s as though, sliders and curves is all he knows. He doesn’t seem to be able to fix anything beyond that. Just my opinion.

  107. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “The Sox have a terrific bullpen?”

    Betsy,

    Their 2009 bullpen was overrated by some mediots, but overall they’re pretty good. As you already know, the performances of most relievers from one year to the next can be dicey. In short, what was a great bullpen one season might not be so great the next.

  108. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “So how come Wang wasn’t able to keep in touch with Allen? Was he being restricted on purpose by the Yanks?”

    Buddy Biancalana-

    i spent a day in spring training at the rays minor league camp in spring 2008 and talked with neil at length that day.

    the first thing that we talked about was a close friend of ours, brooks williams, who was a tight end with the bears who had just died from a brain tumor.

    the other thing we talked about a lot was wang because i asked him about him.

    i’m not shy about talking about it now because i’m not worried about getting neil fired for coaching wang long after he left the yankees while he was working for the rays. if anything it ‘d probably help neil’s career for people to know how important he was to wang’s career.

    but to answer your question, i think 2008 may have been when allen and wang stopped talking after every bad game. the rays went to the world series that year. it would have been kind of hard for neil to continue coaching him on the phone. a bit of a conflict of interest.

    i have not talked to neil since that day , so i don’t know if they keep in touch or not or kept in touch. i suspect they do , but probably not to the extent of being coached by allen.

  109. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Bonzer legally changed his name to Boof back in 2002. His given name was john Paul. Boof was a childhood nickname, that came from the movie “Teen Wolf” with Michael J. Fox.

  110. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    OOps, I meant conceding the “off-season”. Are they going after Cameron?

    The Sox are always going to be a very good team, but they weren’t as good as the Yankees last year and I don’t see how they’ve made much progress this off-season. Of course, if Bucholz is good for 2010, then that helps a lot. I don’t like Matsuzaka, but he’s a pretty good pitcher and a healthy Wakefield is a darn good back end pitcher.

    Craw, I guess it’s fine for pitching depth, but for a team trying to save $$, tendering Mitre is an odd move.

    Eiland improved Gaudin – didn’t he help him with his slider? I assume he helped Phil add a cutter – that was key. What was he going to do with CC, AJ and Andy? Robertson improved as the year went on……

  111. Bret the Hitman December 13th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Even though Cashman said he really wants to add a starting pitcher, if he can’t find one at a fair price he’ll have to pass, leaving plenty of money to make a big splash for a hitter like Holliday.

    The debate within the organization probably boils down to the decision to give or not to give Hughes and Joba 2 rotation spots.

    From the naked eye perspective of a fan, I think it’s risky to go from CC, Wang, AJ, Andy, Joba, Phil in 2009 to CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Phil in 2010.

    There’s quite a dropoff in the rotation now that Wang is no longer being counted on as a number 2 starter.

    I think the Yanks grab Lackey, the Mets get Bay (because they’re stupid), the Sox sign Holliday and the Angels surprise all and get Halladay, the ace they were missing in the 2009 post season. I think Johnny Damon ends up with the ChiSox and Matsui returns to the Yankees on a low dollar 1 year deal.

    The only trade I see involves Gardner. With Lackey adding depth, 1 of Joba/Hughes/McAllister could become available.

  112. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Thanks, 86. I’ll keep that in mind. I’m sure that the nurses and others around here would prefer that I waited until I got home to find out if it hurts.

  113. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    “Craw, I guess it’s fine for pitching depth, but for a team trying to save $$, tendering Mitre is an odd move.”

    He’s a healthy starting pitcher while Wang isn’t with Mitre being 3M cheaper.

  114. Buddy Biancalana December 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Thanks for the insight randy.

  115. crawdaddy December 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    “Even though Cashman said he really wants to add a starting pitcher, if he can’t find one at a fair price he’ll have to pass, leaving plenty of money to make a big splash for a hitter like Holliday.”

    Bret,

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see Cashman getting in on Holliday in any setting. He can get two veteran hitters for the price of one year’s salary that Holliday is going to recieve next season.

  116. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    GB, thanks for your response. I’m inclined to blame Joba for his troubles- he’s as stubborn as a mule and out of shape to boot. Not sure I can agree on Phil……but Phil was in the pen for most of the year, so we can’t even judge him as a starter. You’re not the only one who’s no fan of Eiland. I don’t have an opinion one way or the other……I guess because I’m not sure how to judge a pitching coach.

    Wow, I remember Teen Wolf and Boof – he legally changed his name to Boof? LOL Well, I guess if Edwin Aldrin can change his name to Buzz, then Paul Bonser can do the same thing……..It would have been funny if he changed his name to Wolf.

    Craw, good points about the Sox. It’s always safe to assume the Sox will be very good…….It’s just a killer division. The Rays will be very good (and they just traded for a closer), the O’s will be improved and the Jays do have good young pitching and a couple of very good offensive players. It’s really not a given that any team will make the playoffs.

  117. GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    If NYY doesn’t resign damon and Matsui, I’d like NYY go after Derosa. Beyond that, perhaps a combination of Miranda and Gomes to share the DH spot would work out. Both can hit from the opposite side. Gomes hits left handers but has issues with right handers, and, Mirand’a issues are just the opposite. Neither is especially good defensively, but, could fill in a spot in an emergency.

  118. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    I still don’t get how Halladay on the Angels with Lackey makes them a stronger contender. Don’t get me wrong – Doc is far better than Lackey and I love and admire him to bits. However, their rotation would consist of Halladay, Weaver, Kazmir………and who else? Kazmir is good, but he’s not the same pitcher and he’s had issues now against the Yanks and Sox, esp. in the post-season. Doc’s primary desire is to go to a team that can win multiple WS – do the Angels give him the best chance at doing that? I don’t think so. Frankly, the Yankees give him the best chance……….

    It’s interesting with the Angels that they are pursuing Lackey and Halladay at the same time. If they re-sign Lackey (did the Mets make an offer to him?), will they still push hard for Doc? If they get Doc, will they still push hard for Lackey?

  119. Betsy - high on pie December 13th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I would be very disappointed if Cash passed on adding extra pitching for a few million $$$. He clearly thinks they need it.

  120. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 13th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Betsy,
    I don’t think the Mets made Lackey an offer. According to the papers they made offers to Benjie Molina and Bay.

  121. bru December 13th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    matsui is better protection for arod

    damon fell off.sui came on late

    matsui is more of a power hitter,will be cheaper & we can get him for a year unlike damon

    i think with cg on board matsui would be a much better choice for dh

    not as much flexibility but better production,power,etc…

  122. Rishi December 13th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    :arrow:

  123. randy l. December 13th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    gb7-

    i took advantage of you being out of commission to steal your coors while you were out of town.

    hope you don’t talk that too personal, but it just seemed like a good opportunity that might not come again.

    let’s hope so right.

    anyway, i’m actually not as down on eiland as you are. i think he can coach a conventional pitcher just fine. he pushes fastball command like any good pitching coach. he can teach four seam and two seam fastball,slider, change up, cutters, etc.

    the thing people miss with eiland coaching wang is that the sinker that wang threw was a trick pitch. no one expects farrell to coach wakefield. it’s the same with wiland and wang and the sinkerball.

    i actually don’t hold it against him. he ‘s just not the right pitching coach for wang.

    has he helped the rest of the staff? well , he hasn’t hurt because they did win the world
    series. it’s hard to get a read on eiland because he doesn’t talk much to the media.

    sj44 has pointed out over time that i was underestimating eiland and i’ve come to the conclusion that i was. sometimes it appears that i bash “generic” coaches, but i do have an appreciation for guys that have spent their whole life in the game like eiland has.

    eiland was also a member of that billy martin /pinella team and organization that had allen, rhighetti, guidry, john, etc. he has some yankee pedigree in him.

    he appears to have done a good job with putting a bullpen together. he hasn’t hurt sabathia or burnett who already knew how to pitch before he came here.

    he doesn’t flip me out when advising girardi when to take guys out. i think eiland is probably pretty solid as a pitching coach.

  124. bru December 13th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    it feels like we are missing a bat

    we have the same pitching but our offense took a hit losing damon & matsui

    if we have to cut payroll fine but if we don’t this is not the time because we have a ton of money tied up in players in their prime. i believe that our pitching gave us the confidence needed

    we are almost there

    it would be a shame to not add the one or two pieces needed

    i would bring back matsui for one year & try a big trade with joba as the starting point for another pitcher that won’t cost us a ton

  125. seth3esq December 14th, 2009 at 4:34 am

    I can’t see the loss of Wang being devastating to Cashman’s ego/reputation/what-have-you.

    Even if he (Wang) were to sign elsewhere and revert to 07 form, that’s just the way things go (hopefully so for Wang).

    No matter who Wang called during his run; no matter what “ties” existed/exist; decisions have to be made with a greater concentration to the overall ramifications to the organization than anything in the realm of “let’s keep him around a little while longer to see if it works out”.

    Yes, Wang developed a sinker that got him into the majors.
    Yes, Wang was successful with that pitch (tho not in the p-offs)
    Yes, he injured his foot during Interleague and, in a mutual desire to get him back, perhaps he was rushed and lingering pain caused him to change his mechanics.

    … but none of that circumvents the bottom line: he’s simply not the same pitcher he was and his agent’s indignation and demands are a joke because of that unavoidable fact.

    And signing with Boston? Isn’t that a stretch? Wang has barely shown enough to get a minor league deal from Pittsburgh or Washington, and you venture a guess as to the humiliation Cashman might endure if Wang signs with Boston and makes a complete comeback?

    I mean, seriously, how can anyone forget Carl “Payroll Pariah” Pavano?

    Let Wang walk. Give him the opportunity to sign with a team that has the room and patience to work with him (most likely in the NL)

  126. seth3esq December 14th, 2009 at 4:44 am

    Oh yeah, this overall sentiment that the Yanks HAVE to sign a bat … why?

    The infield, including Cano, can hurt you at any given At Bat and has solid gloves all around.

    The OF is better all around than most other teams without the need to have a 30+ HR guy out there.

    Doesn’t anyone remember how bringing in Gardner late in the playoffs made the difference? … and that he’s a kid? … and that his bat isn’t exactly a detriment to the team? … and that he’s a kid who will learn patience at the plate and develop into a good hitter>

    Why be so gung-ho to trade him just to all another superstar/stud to a team that has more than enough?

    Also, once Cervelli & Montero are handed Catching duties, you can have Posada give a few productive years as fulltime DH … and he really won’t have to be that mythical 40/100/90 DH (especially not the kind that Big Sloppy became with a little help from a needle).

    Fundamentals wins games
    Balance creates champions

    Haven’t we all seen enough Fantasy League rosters fall flat on their faces to know this yet?

    Forget signing a big bat …
    get a solid SP (not Lackey, 2 years, same injury?) because if anyone thinks Girardi’s 3-Man Rotation will work again next post-season is just fooling themselves

  127. Jeff December 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    I like the idea of Gomes – he won’t cost much which would let the Yankees spend some money on a starter and he could be blended in with Melky and Gardner.

    A radical idea would be to get Bradley from the Cubs for nothing with them eating the majority of his contract. Would the Cubs take Igawa off our hands? He isn’t going to pull that prima donna stuff in the Yankee clubhouse and he can really hit and get on base. Injury prone, but with Melky around that wouldn’t be a big concern.


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