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Bringing back Nick Johnson?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

UPDATE: I forgot to mention tomorrow’s chat, and that’s a good way to get my bosses mad at me. Hope I remember it tomorrow! Sam and I will be here chatting at noon on Thursday. Stop by. Ask a question. Or be like my loving mother and watch quietly, then call me to ask how in the world I’ve heard of all these baseball players. Now back to the post… 

Since half of the comments are about Nick Johnson anyway, we might as well cap the night with a quick post about the former Yankees first baseman and currently available designated hitter.

George King is reporting that the Yankees have talked to Johnson’s agent about bringing Johnson back to the Bronx.

“We have had dialogue, things are moving forward,” agent Rex Gary told King. “Something could happen to speed things up but it’s hard to predict.”

Indeed, very hard to predict.

The lure of Johnson is obvious. The guy has a .402 career on-base percentage, plus some left-handed power that could play well in the new Yankee Stadium. The negative is also obvious. Johnson has been injury prone throughout his career.

One problem I see is that I’m not sure signing Johnson would be especially different from signing Hideki Matsui, in that Johnson would also be limited to DH duty with the Yankees. Yes, he can play first base, but that doesn’t give the Yankees much flexibility. Mark Teixeira is going to be playing first almost every day anyway, and the Yankees can always play Nick Swisher at first on days Teixeira needs a day off.

Brian Cashman has said time and again that it’s easy to find a DH in this market, and the Yankees seem to prefer a DH who gives them some flexibility. Johnson would a nice fit in the No. 2 spot in the lineup, but I’m not sure he fits with what the Yankees seem to be doing this offseason. I don’t doubt the Yankees have talked to his agent, but it’s hard to know whether those talks are legitimate or if the agent is playing his part by playing up the negotiations.

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463 Responses to “Bringing back Nick Johnson?”

  1. Degan747 December 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    FIRST
    They should sign Matt Holliday first, then worry about other things.

  2. EricNS December 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Johnson is too injury prone – if they go this route should’ve kept Hideki

  3. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Nicky’s a better hitter than Hit-Deki and is a few years younger. Cause of his injury luck we’ll be able to get him on an incentivized contract with a low-ish base. It’s a no brainer, especually since Miranda is injured.

  4. blake December 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Signing Holliday makes the DH decision much less critical.

  5. RalphieD (OPPC) December 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    id love to have johnson back on a reasonable deal..we can have to nick’s on the team just in time for christmas!

  6. CB December 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    (repost):

    Lost,

    Hmmm. Not sure what to say.

    Lost-in-Tex-is posted a very short one line message confirming Tex’s definitive signing a few minutes before Heyman broke the news.

    That post got lost in the dozens of posts being put up that day – but I remember that distinctly. The post said something to the effect of, “Tex wanted it done and now its done” or something to that effect.

    Lost-in-Tex-is was legit.

  7. Tony in Albany December 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    man the crazies are out tonight…”nick johnson is a better hitter than hideki”….”let’s go get Holiday!” yeah! another Tex sized contract for a hitter who’s a career NL guy and benefitted unbelievably from Coors Field – righhht

  8. blake December 16th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Tex’s contract is for $180 million. Holliday’s will be nowhere near that….

  9. JJ December 16th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....eally-140/

    That is the link to the thread the day we signed Teixeira.

    First link confirming the signing was right around 3:18 PM.

    Pretty fun to read that thread a year later.

  10. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Did anyone ask the agent if Nick broke his leg answering the phone? This guy is one of the most injury prone athletes I have ever seen.

    If he could stay off the DL, he’d be the 1B right now for the Yankees instead of Tex.

    Well, Lost in the Holliday Inn? Does Boras pull a bait and switch with Johnny D, or is Matt on his way here?

    I remember the last dad who insisted his kid play for the Yankees–Mr. Giambi. Not sure at the end of the day the long term contract was worth it.

  11. CB December 16th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    “Signing Holliday makes the DH decision much less critical.”

    True. But should they sign Holliday and Johnson (and johnson ever stays healthy) the offense will be a relentless beating for the opposing pitcher.

    I can’t imagine what the second and third time through the order would look like for a starting pitcher.

    Think about the team from 2008. Think about how old and unathletic it was.

    If they sign Holliday and Johnson 6 of the 9 position players would be 31 or younger, with 5 of the 9 less than 30.

  12. YankeeRay December 16th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Holliday is the first move. If we do that then we don’t need NJ as he gives us no flexibility at DH.
    Holliday gives us RH power bat that we need. Swisher is the DH and rotates at 1B and OF for rotaional rest. Makes more sense than anything else.
    Sign a #4 starter and we are good to go. I like Sheets for that spot with Hughes in the rotation and Joba to the pen.
    I would also move Arod to the 3 hole in this lineup with Tex at 4 and Holliday at 5 giving both Arod and Holliday protection against RHP with lefties behind them.

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Arod 3B
    Tex 1B
    Holliday LF
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher DH
    Melky RF

  13. Nick in SF December 16th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    CB: my own re-post, but I think this Lost-in is the same as the other one, based solely on my own radar. Can’t vouch for him, of course.

    Bo Knows: I was just having a little fun with my previous question to Pat M, I enjoy your posts too. I’m not so worried about adding the Holliday contract, if they do so, he would be younger at its conclusion than Damon is today. We shall see.

  14. Drive 4-5 December 16th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    “One problem I see is that I’m not sure signing Johnson would be especially different from signing Hideki Matsui, in that Johnson would also be limited to DH duty with the Yankees. Yes, he can play first base, but that doesn’t give the Yankees much flexibility. ”

    Exactly. They would have been better off giving $6.5mil for a year of the World Series MVP. Now they are scrambling for a replacement. Forget Nick Johnson, forget Johnny Damon. Pay the price for your sins and sign Holliday.

  15. hornblower December 16th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Yes! Bring back Nick. He is inexpensive, hitterish and if he never plays in the field he will last the whole season.

  16. PBL December 16th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    I think it’s a positioning move for negotiations with Damon. If they create the perception of interest in other options it weakens his negotiating power, especially since he doesn’t have any similar offers and if he really won’t come back on reasonable terms, Johnson could be backup option.

  17. David December 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    I hope they sign Johnson and forget about Damon. If Johnson bats 2nd, and if he and Jeter both have OBA’s of around .400, Teix and ARod will drive in a ton of runs. And, Johnson’s patient hitting style will wear out opposing pitchers.

    If we get good production from DH, I’d be quite happy with a outfield consisting of Granderson, Swisher, and some combination of Melky, Brett, and Hoffman.

  18. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    JJ

    I just read the Tex thread from last year. Surreal is the word for it. Substitute “Holliday” for “Texeira,” and it could be exactly the same thread as this one.

    Right down to the misdirection play of looking at NJ.

    O Bobcatus, “They hear what you want them to hear”

  19. blake December 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    “True. But should they sign Holliday and Johnson (and johnson ever stays healthy) the offense will be a relentless beating for the opposing pitcher.”

    CB, oh it would be a nightmare for opposing pitchers. I’m just saying that signing Holliday first makes the DH a cherry on top instead of a critical signing. Obviously you want the best DH you can get and NJ would be a risky but potentially very good option.

  20. Rose December 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    If Cashman wants to sign Holliday to an expensive long term contract, will Hal okay it?

  21. ray (sox fan) December 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Okay, you guys might as well give up on next season!

    My Sox signed right hand pitcher Boof Bonser from the Twins. :)

  22. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    One thing that would be a nice side benefit of signing Holliday would be hearing and seeing the Red Sox fans reactions.

    ESPN will have a black border around everything they broadcast, tears will be flowing, comments about the rich get richer will be become the mantra. Kruk will have that same look as he did through the World Series and go off on daily rants and raves.

    It will be priceless. Just for that alone the Yankees should sign him.

  23. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    “If Cashman wants to sign Holliday to an expensive long term contract, will Hal okay it?”

    Thats the 90-100 million dollar question.

  24. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    We’d have a chance to put 4 .400 OBP guys in a row at the top of the order, 5 if we had Holliday. That would be insane. Everyone would end up with a lot of RBI’s and we’d score over 1000 runs and allow one of Joba or Phil emerge as that 4th playoff starter.

  25. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    Oh no! Boof goes the season!

  26. Lost in Holliday-in December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    I was talking to myself on the last post for 15 minutes.

  27. Matcohen December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Cashman says a lot of things. Not all of them are completely true. Who is out there that the Yanks would want (other than Damon who wants too much for too long)?
    Johnson
    Guerrero
    Thome
    Dye
    Gomes

    I think that Johnson is clearly better than the other 4. Stop dreaming, the Yanks are unlikely to sign Halliday or Bay. Too much money and too many years.

    With Matsui gone, Johnson is the best available hitter, unless the Yanks trade prospects for an Adam Dunn.

  28. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    blake, I am sure that if the plan is to attempt to sign Holliday that it is already through the approval process.

  29. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    “I just read the Tex thread from last year. Surreal is the word for it. Substitute “Holliday” for “Texeira,” and it could be exactly the same thread as this one.”

    The situations are playing out remarkably the same.

    And it’s really something that the national media is again buying this idea that the yankees aren’t interested.

    Tim Kurkijian today on ESPN said he only sees a one team market for Holliday – St. Louis – and that he couldn’t come up with a second team that had a legit interest.

  30. maxcz December 16th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    @ray (sox fan)

    oh really???
    FYI, we juz beat lackey’s ass on the ALCS.. so i am not really afraid of ur signing of Lackey and Cameron
    and Boof Bonser?? who???

  31. Pat M. December 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Nick in SF…..Now I’m confused, damn Percocets….I think Bo Knows what it was attempting to convey…

  32. Chip December 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I agree with Chad in that I don’t see how Johnson makes the lineup “more flexible” but there is obvious appeal to having him batting in the 2 hole.

    Maybe the Yankees think Johnson can play a little OF? Seems like a bit of a gamble but they did try it with Travis Lee.

    I still believe that the most likely scenario at this point is Matt Holliday, but nothing Cashman could do (short of actually trading for Manny) would shock me.

  33. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    # Lost in Holliday-in December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    I was talking to myself on the last post for 15 minutes.
    _________

    Is that Lost in the Last Post then?

    Its tough to catch that a new post is up sometimes. Its almost better when the site refreshes a little slow so you see the new post at the top of the page.

  34. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    ESPN is just in the denial stage of grieving.

  35. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Lost,

    I remember the bit about the wife – which was well before Gammons threw a hissy fit about it.

    I’m sure you understand my skepticism. But keep posting!

  36. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    “Tim Kurkijian today on ESPN said he only sees a one team market for Holliday – St. Louis – and that he couldn’t come up with a second team that had a legit interest.”

    Olney said basically the same thing on ESPN 1050.

  37. Eric December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    # Lost in Tex-is December 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Brian Cashman (AKA: Brain) Has been pitching Tampa (Not the team) that offense is a major area of concern. This has nothing to do with pitching.. when you compartmentalize the issues and just say, “We are only going to focus on this single compartment” You end up lopsided.

    Brain was not sure if he wanted his job back.. he took it back with the conclusion that the Yankees are going to go for it full-steam ahead.. just because you hear something in the press, doesn’t mean that is actually the thinking behind closed doors.

    Of Brains strong points is that he can maneuver. The old tactic of “dis-information”.. keep every one focused on B before you attempt to attack A. Cashman has wanted a bat for a long time now..

    he is about to get his wish.

    ———————-

    Is that the post?

  38. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Pat M. you be careful with them there Percocets.

  39. ray (sox fan) December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    maxcz
    December 16th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    @ray (sox fan)

    oh really???
    FYI, we juz beat lackey’s ass on the ALCS.. so i am not really afraid of ur signing of Lackey and Cameron
    and Boof Bonser?? who???
    ——————————————————-

    Easy there maxcz, I thought it was obvious I was just kidding.

  40. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Next postseason I’m auctioning off the rights to the screen name ” Lost in Fort LEE “

  41. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Everyone had Teixeira being fitted out in a Boston uniform last season. Heck, I did too.

  42. Anthony Murillo December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    I’d be all for bringing back Nick Johnson. Maybe he’ll be less injury prone if he’s just batting as opposed to also fielding.

  43. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    “I agree with Chad in that I don’t see how Johnson makes the lineup “more flexible” but there is obvious appeal to having him batting in the 2 hole.”

    When he’s right, few players have the plate coverage that Nick does. So if Girardi wants to play smallball (I don’t, but he seems to), Nick can do that in a way that Matsui can’t.

  44. PBL December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Cash might be secretly working on Holliday like he was with Teixeira last summer, but I think it’s unlikely. The rationale for spending big last summer was that the options this summer weren’t that great. For the most part, we’ve spent this summer’s money. Secondly, Holliday has some warts. He really struggled in the AL when he was with Oakland last year and he’s benefitted for years from hitting at Coors. Furthermore, he’s asking for a contract way beyond his value. If you’re going to spend Teixeria $, it makes sense to get a guy like Teixeira who’s a perennial MVP candidate. Holliday’s not that kind of player.

  45. CR9 December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    maxcz
    I think ray (sox fan) was just joking. No need to attack. Call off the dogs!

  46. JJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I love Pete’s comments, on his next thread after the signing….

    “Say this for the Yankees, money is apparently no object. You can expect howls of protest from across the country as Cashman adds yet another high-priced free agent. They now have the four biggest contracts in the game.

    This will also teach me not to believe anything the Yankees say about living under a budget. It was only a few weeks ago Cashman said the idea of signing three big free agents was a fantasy. Sure thing. I was stupid to believe that.”

  47. Nick in SF December 16th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Boof goes the dynamite?

  48. MTU December 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    So the Hang up is that Boras represents both Holliday and Damon. And Boras has been trying to get a 3 year deal from the Yanks in order to try to please Damon, and because of the potential conflict with Holliday also wanting to go to the Yanks Damon had to be resolved first.
    Now that a deal with Damon and Yanks looks unlikely and Damon feels he needs to move on of his own accord Boras can now move Holliday to the Yanks w/o throwing Damon under the bus.

    That is how I interpreted
    Lost’s message, and that is fascinating if true.

    he further added that this could now occur as early as Fri. Surely before Xmas.

    This person has to be either Boras, or someone who knows Boras really well because they are stating things that only the agent would know. IMO. Wow ! I am trying to contain my excitment. Not doing a very good job though.

  49. Lost in Holliday-in December 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    I’d like to ask a question..

    Do you people really believe that the Yankees are not interested in Matt Holliday because the media has not staked claim to that?

    I know we are all information hounds, but c’mon.. the media is about leverage 101 (which includes when leverage doesn’t matter).

  50. Ninja Burglar December 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Perhaps all this Nick Johnson talk is directed towards Damon, who may now realize that his #2 spot in the order has a replacement.

  51. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Lost in Holliday Inn

    “I go to NY a lot but live in Tampa.”

    Wow. Just wow. I mean that, not sarcastically. I guess we can’t ask too much who you are.

    I think Seattle is the “other team” for Johnny. Maybe Angels, but why? Where does Rivera go? RF?

  52. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Eric,

    That was it – that and the one before it.

    I mis-remembered how long the post was – I was only thinking of that last line.

  53. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    “Furthermore, he’s asking for a contract way beyond his value. If you’re going to spend Teixeria $, it makes sense to get a guy like Teixeira who’s a perennial MVP candidate. Holliday’s not that kind of player.”

    Ok, can we clear this up once and for all. Mark Teixera’s contract is for 180 million dollars over 8 years. Hollidays likely deal will be aroun 5 years at around 100 million dollars. Its not the same contract..

  54. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    maxcz

    Ray the Sox fan was joking–lay off him. The real trolls will return around April 4or 5, right before the season opener.

    JJ

    The founder of this blog remains bitter. Why?

  55. Mark December 16th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Lost,

    Honestly, yes. Unless there is buzz about us and a player (like Granderson for example), I don’t get excited because it is not worth getting excited about a player that may not even be on the GM’s radar. It is kind of fruitless.

    When someone starts tweeting, “Yanks have started to pursue Holliday, according to sources”, then I will get excited.

  56. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    “Do you people really believe that the Yankees are not interested in Matt Holliday because the media has not staked claim to that?”

    No, I think they are interested.

    They don’t call them mediots for nothing.

  57. MTU December 16th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    If Johnny really is prepared to move on or Boras has a nother deal lined up this thing is OVER. We get Holliday.

  58. Bo Knows December 16th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Bo Knows: I was just having a little fun with my previous question to Pat M, I enjoy your posts too. I’m not so worried about adding the Holliday contract, if they do so, he would be younger at its conclusion than Damon is today. We shall see.

    We now have “Nick,I enjoy your posts more”. No Pat, I insist “I enjoy your posts more” Pardon the pun, This is like a virtual threeway. What comes after Alphonse, Gaston?

    We are now in the Cold War stage of baseball. “I’ll see your servile Lackey and raise you a frabjous Holliday”.

  59. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Orioles signed Atkins too.

  60. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Lost in Boofville really doesn’t have that same oomph to it does it?

  61. Frank Da Tank December 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Yankees should shock the world Trade Joba & Hughes and montero for king felix. Then give Bay a 4 yr deal, and holiday a 5 yr deal. Break the bank for them.

    The line up would be

    1. SS Jeter
    2. CF Granderson
    3. LF Bay
    4. 3B A-rod
    5. 1B Texeira
    6. RF Holiday
    7. C Posada
    8. 2B Cano
    9. DH SWISHER

    PITCHERS

    Sabathia
    Felix
    AJ
    Andy
    Hughes

    Yankees would win 28,29,30 and 31

  62. Dave D. December 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Lost – are you an “insider”. If so, how involved are we in Holliday?

  63. MTU December 16th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Holliday -in -

    I have posted my “interpretations” of what you posted earlier. Is it fairly accurate ?

  64. OKI/DAVE December 16th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Ok Cashman…I’m gonna hold you to your words….A DH is an easy find….Let’s see if he’s as clutch lefty on lefty and MVP for the World Series. Cashman feels lucky that he got that ring after many unsuccessful attempts. And the big guy who got it for you, you let walk.

  65. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    ray,

    I think all of you folks in New England should feel much better about Theo’s “bridge” being a bridge to nowhere.

    The sox strategy so far is interesting because for the second year in a row you guys have done something similar – only this year you executed much faster.

    Last year the negotiations with Tex dragged on forever and the opportunity costs were enormous (I said this last year – you guys sign CC and you have the division for years…). But once Tex went to the yanks the Sox tried to bolster the team with run prevention (though tried to do so on the cheap…)

    This year Theo moved off of Bay quickly and went to a run prevention strategy again only this time he did it in a more sound fashion with Cameron and Lackey (though his elbow is a real concern…)

    Not sure if you guys make a run at beltre or play kotchman at 1b with youkilis at 3b but the defense will be better as will the pitching.

  66. Frank Da Tank December 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    My bad I meant Yankees should shock the world Trade Joba or Hughes and montero

  67. Harold December 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    It is interesting how we are taught to automatically process everything we read, when it comes to the sports media.

    For example, how many times have we seen, “Yankees are\are not in on (insert name), according to a major league executive familiar with the team’s plans”?

    Have we even stopped to think how an executive from another team would know what Cashman was doing? Why would it benefit Cashman to tell another exec. his plans?

    Yet we buy into it like it is the gospel.

  68. Doris from Rego Park December 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    I saw Holliday at Starbucks on 78th and lex today

  69. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    If the Sox don’t get another bat I just don’t see how they are going to score runs. They won’t have to score many with that staff but still…

  70. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Being busy through the day I only now saw this Damon Standstill in Damon-NYY talks.He wants $13 m. a year;indicated through a conduit to team he doesn’t want an NYY offer if for less than that.

    From the ESPN twitter scroll.

    Add that to the looking around comment and it sure seems odd that he would push the Yankees that hard. Either he has a feeling he will be playing elsewhere and this gives a reason for the Yankees looking elsewhere themselves, or Johnny is figuring that the Yankees are desperate now.

    Interesting.

  71. Ed Whit December 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    I saw Vlad Gurrerro building a Snowman in Central Park this afternoon.

  72. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) December 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    “I saw Holliday at Starbucks on 78th and lex today”

    how so? you sure its him, maybe its someone that looks like him.

  73. MTU December 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    I think Holliday-In might be leaking info. from the Boras side not the Cashman side. Friend of Boras who happens to be a Yank fan. Friend of Holliday’s family ? Doesn’t really matter as long as the info. is accurate.

  74. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Abdababdaserser

    Yeah, that was the comment Olney referenced on Kay’s show. Damon is delusional.

  75. Pat M. December 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Blake…Percocets & Vicodins have been a part of my life for the past 15 years…I’m acutely aware of the dangers……Poor typing skills

  76. Doris from Rego Park December 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Ed- I was kidding. When I saw jeter there this season no one believed me for some reason

  77. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Doris , did you ask him to hold your baby boy?

  78. TD December 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Good Bye Matsui. A Great Yankee. His legend will grow, deservedly.

    We got Granderson, now I say we get Holliday and either:

    Damon or Nick Johnson. Pick One.

  79. Nick in SF December 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    I wasn’t trying to top Pat M, he definitely enjoys your posts more. ;)

    But I like the Cold War analogy. After we sign Holliday, NESPN can go all black (as previously suggested) and play funeral music as Soviet media did on the deaths of party chairman past.

  80. Cando December 16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Damon is either really dumb/naive/arrogant, or Boras is making Damon act that way, so that Cashman becomes annoyed with Damon and enters the Holliday sweepstakes because he needs some competition for St. Louis.

    Of course, he could be screwing Damon out of what he really wants, but that is the deal you make when you enlist Boras. If he really wanted to be a Yankee, he wouldn’t let Boras manipulate him like that.

    I am starting to think this is some ploy by Boras. Damon is looking pretty foolish.

  81. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    If the Yanks do land Holliday the headlines will be”

    Its a Granderson Holliday for the NY Yankees!

  82. Doris from Rego Park December 16th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Ive really gotten into RAB lately. How many of you cats post over there as well, or it’s a Romeo and julliet type of thing?

  83. Jake December 16th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Chad, I agree.

    This interest in Johnson is pretty puzzling unless we are getting him in addition to Holliday.

  84. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Pat M.

    “Percocets & Vicodins have been a part of my life for the past 15 years”

    Sorry, man. That can’t be easy.

  85. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    disregard Doris from Rego Park. She’s the one who said we were trading for Grienke at the deadline back in `08.

  86. Lost in Holliday-in December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Dave D:

    If by “insider” you mean, “Do I work for the Yankees?” the answer is no. I am just another anonymous drone and prefer to keep it that way.

    I do know that the Yankees have a definite “interest”.

    To what extent? Maybe I will know more tomorrow or Friday. I don’t have as much info on it as I did with Tex.

    All I got was dead air on the Nick Johnson rumor as well. Doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

    I don’t know anything more than I’ve posted already tonight.

  87. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) December 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    “Ed- I was kidding. When I saw jeter there this season no one believed me for some reason”

    :lol: good one.

  88. U-Turn December 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Mark Feinsand

    Orioles must smell blood with Halladay’s departure from Toronto. Signing of Gonzalez and Atkins show they’re making a big push for 4th place 4 minutes ago

  89. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    The comments coming from Damon or someone attached to Damon are not very bright. Unless its smokescreen.

    Trouble is there are so many things written that you start feeling like a ping pong ball trying to keep up.

  90. ray (sox fan) December 16th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Good evening CB,

    I think you make some very good observations about the state of the Sox right now.

    I’m not sure why but last year it didn’t seem like the Sox were all that interested in pursuing CC. Now Tex, that is a different story.

    In my opinion the Yankee signing of Tex made a huge difference because had he not signed with you guys, he probably would have signed with the Sox.

    Of course we still have at at least a couple months before pitchers and catchers report, but right now I am a bit concerned about the Sox offense. Ortiz is not the same, looks like Lowell will be gone, and perhaps Bay will be wearing a Met’s uniform next year.

  91. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    Sorry, I’m not going to apologize for wanting the best players that can help our team (not necessarily stars, either). Fantasy baseball? Holliday happens to fit our needs very well – this would not be a matter of going out and getting a star just to say we got a star.

    I remember Lost in Tex-as and he was very right about Tex. That said, I’ve learned my lesson – no longer will I ever believe anything about players wanting to play in NY. Rumors rumors rumors….If Holliday wants to play for the Yankees, he’ll have to take less (probably) than what he can get from the Cards. It’s hard to predict Cash and Hal – I have NO clue as to whether they like this guy or not. I know they want Damon, and Damon has the right to get the contract he wants, but I’ve had enough and I think it’s about time the Yankees move on.

    Cash can not let Boras pull the strings, trying to get the Yankees to get desperate enough to either cave on Damon or throw their budget out the window with Holliday. IF the Yankees are interested in Holliday, just make an offer and that’s it. If he accepts it, then move on without Damon.

  92. austinmac December 16th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    Just because the Yankees didn’t publicize going after Teixiera does not mean silence as to Holliday suggests they are going after him. The St. Louis paper said he wanted to return there if things were equal. Simply stated, though I wish it were otherwise, no evidence exists the Yankees have an interest in him. It’s simply our wishful thinking.

    The Yankees likely believe Granderson replaces Damon and Johnson would replace Matsui. They are younger and cheaper, and that is the stated goal.

  93. Abdababdaserser December 16th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    # Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Pat M.

    “Percocets & Vicodins have been a part of my life for the past 15 years”

    Sorry, man. That can’t be easy.
    ____________

    Well… there are some side benefits!

    Seriously though, that is some potent chemicals, and no laughing matter if they are needed.

  94. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    “Percocets & Vicodins have been a part of my life for the past 15 years”

    Sorry about that man..

  95. jaake December 16th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    hahaha… just watching some local vermont news, and the anchor was talking about the red sox’s signings and showing video from the press conferences. He must not be a sox fan, because he was going on about Lackey and how he’s ‘no CC’, and then in response to Cameron’s quote that he hasnt been this excited to come to a new team since first getting to the majors, he quipped ‘yeah you won’t be saying that after you’re booed mercilessly during your first 0-10′ I thought vermont was supposed to be part of the nation! guess not haha

  96. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    The problem is as as one poster mentioned earlier…….if NJ sits for Posada (or whomever), then you have to play a bad player in Posada or whomever’s place….That’s the same as a rotating DH. Of course, the Yanks could mitigate this by giving that player a full day off instead of a half – then that bad player is not in the lineup. On days that you want Posada’s (or Jeter, etc……) bat in the lineup, you sit Nick……..the rest can only help him.

  97. Bo Knows December 16th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    RAB is a great site. A Must, Check Out Daily. The three guys are excellent. The posters are bright, witty and sometimes sound like the “Preacher and the Choir”. You hate to interrupt the rhytm. What if you’re not up on the latest Woba Ducky. Here is more kick back and shoot the breeze.

  98. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    I think the comments from Damon are there to keep his price where he wants it while pushing the Yanks to look elsewhere.

  99. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Why would Damon want to push the Yankees to look elsewhere? Nobody is going to give him what he’s asking for.

  100. dee December 16th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    I have a feeling that that the Yankees are in on Holliday especially since he has yet to say anything about the Cardinals offer. Why wouldn’t he accept it unless there was something else out there enticing him?

  101. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    The fact that the ESPN guys refuse to mention Holliday and the Yankees in the same sentence tells me that they are secretly worried that something is brewing with them.

  102. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    They aren’t scrambling for a replacement – the Yankees never made Matsui a priority. Scrambling implies that they expect him to sign and they are now shocked he’s gone – I doubt that’s the case.

  103. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Lots of evidence exists to suggest that the Yanks are interested in Holliday. But it’s all sort of circumstancial. It’s almost like knowing someone has something just by the presence of antibodies.

  104. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 16th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    I absolutely love Holliday as a hitter, although I don’t see him as a Teixeira or ARod type player. I feel like he deserves around $14M respectively, but is asking for around $18/$19M, which is what I’d assume. I feel like that is a bit too high.

  105. Matcohen December 16th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    For what it is worth, I thought that the Yanks had the money to get Tex last year.

    I don’t think that they will go for Holliday. Pre-Melky (who would likely be traded if we signed Holliday) payroll is at $192 million. Holliday would push it over $205 and lock the Yanks into another long term contract.

    The offense will be fine if Cash signs a decent DH (like Johnson) and the defense will be much improved swapping Damon for Granderson.

    If there is some money in the kitty, I’d sign another starter as insurance in case Hughes or Chamberlain can’t make it as starters.

  106. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    This post from Wave last year on the day Tex signed is great:

    Wave Your Hat December 23rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    IMHO, if the Yanks let Tex get on that plane to the Red Sox, we’ll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives.

    Someday you’ll understand that.

  107. yo ho ho December 16th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Boof goes the Bonser, the Bonser goes Boof!

  108. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    blake,

    because he knows they already are looking elsewhere, and wants to make it seem like it was about not being able to make a deal, instead of the Yanks just wanting to replace an older player with a younger player, which it is.

  109. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    I wasn’t a huge Holliday fan before, but to be fair – Oakland is a horrible place for a hitter. When the Yankees were there, I watched on tv and it was torture – I just wanted them to get as far away from that park as possible.

  110. christina25 December 16th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Lost in Holliday,
    I believe the Yankees were into Holliday from the start no matter what Olney and the other goofs are saying. Theo and the Red Sox knew it too and that is why they walked away from Boras and his clients. They are not going to sign Beltre either. They are sending Boras a message that they are not goign to fall for his lies again like last year. You can bet they will trade Ellsbury too before his contract is up because Boras is his agent. Then who is left. JD Drew who is not going to be resigned and DiceK who they are going to let him walk after 2012.

  111. CR9 December 16th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Even though Cashman probably made the decision not to purse Matsui, it will be very sad not seeing him next year.

    Watching the 2009 World Series DVDs, it will be sad not to see Hideki smash one, and Jeter at the top step to be the first to welcome him.

  112. dee December 16th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    But why not take on a long-term contract on Holliday? Who else is worth it? We may not have a shot at Crawford if he signs an extension.

  113. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    I spent all winter talking about how I didn’t want Tex…….then, when I heard about it at work, I practically flipped out. The only time that was more surreal for me was when I went out one morning and, while in the car, heard that we traded for Clemens. That was a shock of my lifetime.

  114. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Holliday is better than Crawford.

  115. Bo Knows December 16th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    This site is a full service establishment “From the rediculous to the sublime”.

  116. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Assume for a minute that they sign Holliday. Melky or Gardner become expendable, correct?

    So they play Holliday RF/Granderson CF/Melky RF-Swisher RF/DH?

    Gardner is cheaper, but is not a switch hitter….so he gets traded. Packaged with some prospect for something else. What else? And what prospect? Not sure this is happening, but what if?

  117. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Phil, you’re probably right but I think he’s fooling himself if he thinks he’s getting 36 million dollars and I think he’s setting himself up for an Abreu deal from last year especially if Holliday goes to the Yankees.

  118. Bronx Jeers December 16th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Holliday would be great but if they go that route is there enough left in the till for another starter?

  119. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Betsy – high on pie

    “I spent all winter talking about how I didn’t want Tex……”

    I wanted him more than CC.

  120. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    I have to be careful and keep my guard up. I got my hopes up about Halladay and was crushed…..Sometimes a rose is just a rose and sometimes silence means just that – no interest. IMO, Hal is unpredictable – I have no idea whether he will ok the $$$ or not. My guess is no.

  121. christina25 December 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Phil,
    Good luck with that. Crawford is a superior player to Holliday. His defense is outstanding.

  122. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    blake,

    I think he must know of some other team that wants him.

  123. PittsburghYankeeFan December 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Matcohen

    SJ44 said that the payroll number right now the Yankees are telling agents is $177 million with Pettitte. That makes sense, if you consider the AAV of the contracts, not the actual paid value that year.

    Thus, they want to keep the AAV under $200 million, IMO. AAV is used for the lux tax, which also IMO is their only real concern.

  124. Phil December 16th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    christina,

    Holliday’s D is above average and he’s a much better hitter who makes a ton fewer outs on offense. But believe what you want to believe.

  125. CB December 16th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    “Just because the Yankees didn’t publicize going after Teixiera does not mean silence as to Holliday suggests they are going after him. The St. Louis paper said he wanted to return there if things were equal. Simply stated, though I wish it were otherwise, no evidence exists the Yankees have an interest in him. It’s simply our wishful thinking.”

    No concrete evidence may be available right now but evidence is only part of the story.

    The main issue here is how does one draw a valid inference. Tangible evidence is part of that process – but only a part.

    The foundation for valid inference is a solidly grounded hypothesis that evidence should test.

    And the hypothesis that the yankees are likely to be interested in holliday given their needs and prevailing market conditions is a hypothesis with high face validity to it.

  126. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    “Holliday would be great but if they go that route is there enough left in the till for another starter?”

    I think that depends on a lot of things. It depends on what the actual budget is and if it is a hard or soft limit. It also may depend on whether they can backload the deal for Holliday if there is a hard limit, and it depends on the actual price tags of Holliday and the pitcher in question.

  127. Betsy - high on pie December 16th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Rich, I wanted CC very much. Tex? I didn’t think he was worth that $$$……Now that I look back, my flipping out at work was very likely disbelief over joy, given that I expected Tex to sign with the Sox. I think my jaw dropped that day…..similar to the day when I heard Torre was flying to Tampa. I assumed it meant he was coming back…….then, when I heard he wasn’t……wow.

  128. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    “Good luck with that. Crawford is a superior player to Holliday. His defense is outstanding.”

    Try backing that up with the numbers. Holliday is a much better hitter and once Crawford’s speed starts to diminish so will much of his value.

  129. CR9 December 16th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Why is christina25 back? Are you enjoying 27 for Christmas, Christina? I hope you and your son/daughter enjoy the World Series videos!

    Phil
    I usually agree with you, but in this case, I have to believe that Crawford is better than Holliday. Crawford has power, can hit for average, has plate discipline, his defense, obviously his speed, can turn a single into a double every time. He can even turn singles into triples via the SB.

  130. rodg12 December 16th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Pitt -
    Maybe Gardner and a prospect to KC for Meche??

  131. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Phil, he could know of a team or he could be playing an ill-advised game of chicken.

  132. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 16th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    I absolutely rather have Crawford as opposed to Holliday. Crawford would likely come cheaper too, which is an added bonus, but I believe is worth more.

  133. CR9 December 16th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Well, I was off on his plate discipline, as he walks only 4 percent of the time, or something to that effect.

  134. Rich in NJ December 16th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    christina25

    Choose any aggregate metric you want, and Holliday comes out ahead.

  135. blake December 16th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Crawford steals more bases but Holliday has shockingly better numbers in most other categories. Crawford is better defensively but LF is an offensive position and Holliday is an above average defender. Crawford is only a year younger than Holliday and his game is much more reliant on speed which will start to diminish over the course of his next contract. Plus he may not even be available next year..he likes Tampa I hear.

  136. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Is the absence of evidence that the Yankees are not interested in Holliday proof that they are? Who knows, lol. I would just not be surprised if the Yanks got tired of Damon and his comments…….practically threatening the Yanks to completely walk if he doesn’t get $13 million? I find it hard to believe that the Yankees would cave. Cash is a tough dude.

  137. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Crawford is putting up good numbers facing tough pitching in the AL. Lets see how Holliday is going to fare. His swing have holes. Good pitchers are going to explore those holes. How can you say that his defense is above average? Did you forget that he dropped a routine fly ball that cost the cardinals the game? Or when in 2007 he was caught stealing because he was careless.

  138. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I’m not doing this again. Believe what ever you want about Crawford CR9, it’s a free country and you don’t have to care about metrics to enjoy baseball.

  139. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....cobar.html

    WEDNESDAY, 10:52pm: Peter Greenberg, Escobar’s agent, informed FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi that representatives from the Yankees and Twins were also at the throwing session (via Twitter).

  140. carl December 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....g-teixeira

    I remember reading this right after Boras said Tex was going to pick a team later in the afternoon.

    I went crazy.

  141. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....zalez.html

    Derek Lowe tells MLB.com’s Mark Bowman that he doesn’t expect to be back in Atlanta in 2010 and feels rather disrespected by being put on the trade market just a year after signing with the Braves: “I would have never even considered going there if I knew that ultimately this was going to happen.”

    **Honestly? I don’t blame him. Lowe chose to sign with Atlanta, not some other team.

  142. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    blake,

    he shares an agent with Holliday and must know what’s going on. They wouldn’t ante up for Matsui who was “more of a Yankee” and coming off a better season. They said they wanted to get younger and more athletic and Johnny is getting older and less athletic. It was probably over for Johnny as soon as we signed Granderson.

  143. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    I would love if Cash signs Holliday right before Christmas like last year. Merry Texmas, Happy Holliday! I foresee pinstripes in his future. Well, at least I hope so. I just think he’s worth it and there isn’t and won’t be anyone on the market that can match his ability. The addition of Holliday & Granderson > Damon & Matsui…even though I loved Matsui :(

  144. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    “Did you forget that he dropped a routine fly ball that cost the cardinals the game?”

    So you’re basing your argument on one play and that you think he has a hole in his swing. He actually has a nice swing from the right side and the stats say he is a plus defender.

  145. Pat M. December 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    We all know that Hal runs the Yankees day to day operations…I just wonder how much juice “The Old Man” still has ??? Being he was at the Organizational Meetings a few weeks ago…..It is still his dough..Makes one wonder if Hal runs these type of decisions past George ??? If Holliday was to be signed, the only other position to deal with next would SS in a few years….

  146. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    I don’t look at LF, or RF for that matter, or any particular position as specifically an offensive, or defensive position. I base it all on the needs of the team. With our offense, I believe we can sacrifice minimal offense, for a little difference on the defense side, regardless of what position it’s in. However, our guys did well defensively last season, so it’s basically a crapshoot.

    The only issue with Crawford is that you can’t not sign Holliday if the deal is right, to sign Crawford, because as was already mentioned, he might not even hit the market. However, if he does, put your money on having ever team in the majors, at the very least inquiring about him. He might also get traded to a bigger market before he hits free agency.

  147. Bo Knows December 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    I like Gardner. At least the Gardner pre injury. As a rookie he was putting together a very nice season and looked like he would be a very nice addition in the future. I think Granderson plays better in LF, but that’s just me. Throwing Gardner out there for a Meche with his bad contract, very bad. Notice I’m not bad mouthing Melky.

    A site wound up rating Grit as a better bet than Bay.

    http://mvn.com/pendingpinstripes/

  148. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    I rather have Crawford than Holliday. Did you forgot how Crawford made this catch that saved the All star game? He is a superior player period.

  149. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Holliday is a superior ball player to Crawford and over the length of a long term deal Holliday carries much less risk due to his skill set compared to Crawford’s.

    In particular, Holliday has much better hitting tools. Crawford is a better defender but Holliday is a plus defender in LF.

    And Crawford’s maddening refusal to play CF is a self-inflicted limit to his overall potential value. He’s the fastest player in the game – and he doesn’t play CF because he doesn’t like it.

    Carl Crawford is a good ball player – but he’s gotten somewhat over rated over this past year. And at the same time people are being over confident about how much “cheaper” crawford will be next year compared to holliday this year.

  150. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Phil, I think the Matsui deal was pretty telling also. I just can’t see Cash letting him walk at that price unless he had something else in mind. Maybe Damon already knows the plan.

  151. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Pat M.,

    Now that I think about it, you’re right. If we did sign Holliday. We basically have every position locked up. With the exception of RF (I’m sure swisher or an assorted variety of guys will do well) and the catcher situation is uncertain. Regardless of that, we would have All-Star caliber players locked up for the next several years. It’s crazy when you really think about it.

  152. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    HOlliday did not blow that game – Ryan Franklin did. At the time, I didn’t even want Holliday. The poor guy took the brunt of the blame, but there were 2 outs. What, the closer couldn’t get 1 out before he gave up a bunch of runs?

  153. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Crawford shows up high on fantasy ranking because of his steals and people confuse that with real baseball. He’s good but Holliday is a much more complete player.

  154. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    I’m not the only one who thinks Holliday has a hole in his swing. Keith Law said the same thing.

  155. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    Christina25 is back. Turns out all of those self-inflated claims about only trolling on this blog because she was interested in what Pete had to say about the sox were lies.

    Christina25 – have you posted any disgusting comments about children with birth defects recently?

  156. Bronx Jeers December 17th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    He didn’t drop the ball. It hit him right in the jewels!

  157. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    Christina25

    “Crawford is putting up good numbers facing tough pitching in the AL. Lets see how Holliday is going to fare. His swing have holes. Good pitchers are going to explore those holes.”

    v. Linceum: AVG: .310
    v. Zambrano: AVG: .286
    v. Hudson: AVG: .273
    v. Oswalt: AVG: .333
    v. Webb: AVG: .275

    Care to reconsider?

  158. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:09 am

    How can you say that Holliday didnt blow that game? He dropped a routine fly ball.

  159. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Cristina25, so far your main arguments are that Holliday missed a flyball once, Crawford caught a flyball once and that you and Keith Law think Holliday has a whole in his swing.

    I’m sold.

  160. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    CB,

    You don’t see Crawford being cheaper? The Yankees could also use a guy with his speed. The Yankees have it all, except for that one guy that can steal a lot of bases. I really do like Holliday, and I’m not picking one over the other, but Holliday stats could have been swayed a little by the ballpark. Now again, he didn’t hit an incredible amount of homers, his walk total has nothing to do with the park, and his average will probably translate to about the same in Yankees stadium, but I think Crawford puts up a fair fight.

    Crawford can hold his own enough that the less offense you get from him as opposed to Holliday is made up by the fact that he plays a good defense, and can steal an immense amount of bases. It gives the other team a different look. The Yankees already have 5 Holliday type players. I really think Crawfords running game would add a different dimension to our team.

  161. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    How can I say it? Again, there were two outs. Can Ryan Franklin get one out before he just trashes the game?

  162. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Christina25 doesn’t like Holliday because she thinks he had a birth defect when he was younger.

  163. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Keith Law has a hole in his head where his brain is supposed to be……

  164. james December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    I think that they need someone to take at least 60 percent of the DH at bats even if they want to give people days off otherwise you’re going to turn Francisco into an everyday catcher (which who knows maybe fine). Plus he puts even more pressure on Damon to take make a deal because I don’t think it would exclude them from bringing him back. I bet it costs 5 or less million to do cant pass that up.

  165. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Crawford would steal less bases on the Yankees.

    He’s an option if they don’t sign Holliday, or Damon for two years.

    But Holliday is a better option.

  166. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    blake,

    with Cash at the helm, we haven’t really seen them pass up opportunities unless there were better ones waiting.

  167. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    I had a birth defect when I was younger………fortunately, the hole in my heart closed up without me needing surgery. I say this so I can get sympathy from everyone – be gentle with me, lol.

  168. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Phil, lets hope that continues. You are right, when obvious moves like Holliday have been out there he has usually got it done.

  169. Bo Knows December 17th, 2009 at 12:15 am

    Crawford is putting up good numbers facing tough pitching in the AL. Lets see how Holliday is going to fare. His swing have holes. Good pitchers are going to explore those holes.”

    v. Linceum: AVG: .310
    v. Zambrano: AVG: .286
    v. Hudson: AVG: .273
    v. Oswalt: AVG: .333
    v. Webb: AVG: .275
    —————————————————-

    I don’t think I need to be privy to those hole explorations.

    Okay, I think we need Holliday. Unless Teix and Swisher shorten their swings, Boston pitching will have our offense for lunch.

  170. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:15 am

    Crawford is not an option until next year – if then. The Rays are not dealing him to the Yankees…..they despise the Yankees.

  171. Nick in SF December 17th, 2009 at 12:16 am

    Redsock troll badmouths Holliday as Holliday-to-NYY rumors percolate?

    Shocker.

  172. tampayank December 17th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    am I the only one that doesn’t want Holliday? have this feeling he’s going to be a bust if he signs w/ the Yanks or at least definitely not worth the $20 mil a year he wants….he’s not a Tex or AROD type player

  173. Abdababdaserser December 17th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Seems more like Christina25, the Red Sox fan is worried about the Yankees signing Holliday.

  174. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    “You don’t see Crawford being cheaper?”

    He’ll likely be cheaper – but that’s not the issue. Right now Jason Bay will be cheaper than Holliday. I’ve seen estimates that Crawford will go for 5/75M next year. So Bay is likely “cheaper” than crawford will be.

    The real question is what the best value is based on the players skill set and how will that value hold up over the life time of a long term deal.

    Crawford’s main value lies in his defense – as such he would be particularly attractive to the yankees because of how big left field is at the stadium.

    But overall, crawford’s offensive game just doesn’t produce the same value as Hollidays – even if you factor out Coors. He just doesn’t have the bat skills or the strike zone commad Holliday does.

    And a critical thing with Crawford is that so much of his value is tied to his legs – defense, steals, beating out hits (he always has a very high babip – which is the key to his batting average).

    Once Crawford loses a step his game could decay in value very rapidly.

  175. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    “am I the only one that doesn’t want Holliday? have this feeling he’s going to be a bust if he signs w/ the Yanks or at least definitely not worth the $20 mil a year he wants….he’s not a Tex or AROD type player”

    Yeah, but what is a better option?

  176. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Betsy,

    Christina25 would not like you then. She is on record stating her disdain for children born with congential hear disease.

  177. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    Betsy,

    I’m not sure anybody is demanding he come over, I believe it’s just a name being thrown around – for arguments sake.

    HOWEVER, I can’t see the Rays organization as a while despising the Yankees enough to not want to make a deal with them if the package is right. Like in all seriousness, Phil, Joba, Cano, and Montero must seem pretty appetizing for a player in their walk year. …of course I’m only trying to make my point with that poor example of a trade.

  178. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    “he’s not a Tex or AROD type player”

    and he won’t be paid like them either. I just don’t see him as a bust type player. He’s a line drive hitter and a good athlete.

  179. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Christina25 – have you posted any disgusting comments about children with birth defects recently?

    Are you kidding me? Why would I do such thing? My son has autism. Why would I of all people do something like this? My last post was days before Pete left.

    Rich in NJ,
    How about some numbers agaisnt AL pitching.

    The reason I decided to post today was because I was hoping that lost in Holliday can give Boras a message from the Red Sox nation. Nobody believes what he is selling. The Red Sox are not stupid to fall in his trap again. Little by little his players are going to be traded or not resigned by the Red Sox. In the end he is going to lose money. If I was the Red Sox I will definetely will offer Ellsbury and Buchholz plus more for Adrian Gonzalez. He will be an absolute monster at fenway. You know what the plus thing is? Boras is not his agent.

  180. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    Let’s say we don’t get Holliday. Who would you trade for to play LF and who would you give up?

  181. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    “Are you kidding me? Why would I do such thing?”

    No idea why you would do it – but you did and never owned up to it.

  182. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Did she really say that? I really don’t get why trolls of any teams would want to come to another team’s board just to get on the fans. What the heck kind of life does that person have? I love Dennis and Ray – Red Sox fans CAN be good people, lol. Seriously, I enjoy talking baseball with fans of other teams (esp. the Sox) because I get a different perspective on things……..

  183. RM December 17th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    I’d like the Yanks to get Johnson. But I would prefer Josh over Nick.

  184. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    CB, if the Yankees sign Johnson which it kinda looks like to me they are heading towards, does that tell you that the have went cheap on the DH so that they can spend money on Holliday or does that tell you that they are going cheap all together?

  185. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    christina25

    Don’t know much about sample size, huh? What’s the point of listing his work, good or bad, v. a pitcher who he has only faced 7 times.

    Here’s a better question: Why do you post things that you have pulled out of um, thin air. Do some research first.

    No one cares about the freakin’ RS.

  186. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Oh so christina25 is a Red Sox fan? Okay. Christina, God bless you and your son.

  187. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    CB,

    I completely agree, you pay the player based on his skill set, and the particular teams needs. I also agree that once he loses a step in his game, he is NOWHERE near the player he is right now. But that is a risk you take with any speedy player. That is why you can’t sign a guy based on only his legs for 8 years. That’ also why he won’t be worth as much as others that hit 30+ homers.

    Again though, you will be paying more for Holliday because he IS the better hitter, but at this point in time, this team needs a guy with speed 5 years might be pushing it in my eyes, 4 years would be ideal with a 1 year option for Crawford, but regardless that is way ahead of time.

    I just can’t see Holliday accepting $15M a year, and I feel that’s what he’s really worth.

  188. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    My heart – it’s just not happening. The Sox and Yanks would never trade with each other, the Jays wouldn’t trade Doc to the Yanks…….there’s way too much bad blood. That’s even without evaluating whether I would go all out for Crawford….

  189. tampayank December 17th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    “dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    “am I the only one that doesn’t want Holliday? have this feeling he’s going to be a bust if he signs w/ the Yanks or at least definitely not worth the $20 mil a year he wants….he’s not a Tex or AROD type player”

    Yeah, but what is a better option?”
    what’s wrong w/ Melky in LF than either Damon or Johnson as DH? then get one more starter…I think the offense will be fine

  190. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    If the Yanks sign Johnson and then Holliday, I would just consider too very smart decisions.

  191. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    CB,
    you are making up stories here. I never ever posted anything about kids with birth defects. You know what? Sam can confirm if I ever did anything like that. He has my ip number from the computer just by visitng. He can definetely tell if that was me who posted those things and then he can ban me. I challenge him to do that and clear my name.

  192. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Holliday + Johnson would equal just a nasty lineup if they all stayed healthy.

  193. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 17th, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Phil,

    I think that would be a dream, in a sense. We would have an absolutely relentless offense. Swisher would BY FAR be our worst hitter, yet he would be the 3rd or 4th best hitter on any other team.

  194. christina25 December 17th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    I’m not worried about the Yankees getting Holliday. He is going be another overpaid spoiled athlete. I never wanted him in the Red Sox anyway. I rather have Crawford. If the Red Sox get Crawford and Mauer next year I will be very happy.

  195. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    “I’m not worried about the Yankees getting Holliday. He is going be another overpaid spoiled athlete.”

    You are so lucky that you root for a team of saints.

  196. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    “If the Red Sox get Crawford and Mauer next year I will be very happy.”

    Well until the sox get Mauer (haha) the rest of baseball is going to steal them blind next year with Victor and Vtek back there.

  197. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    christina,

    funny you should bring up spoiled. Why doesn’t Carl Crawford play centerfield, which would have helped his team all these years?

  198. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    blake,

    I think they are exploring all options right now. I think the Johnson thing is independent (or only tangentially related) to what they want to do in LF.

    I do not believe their operating plan right now is to sign johnson and have melky play LF.

    Might turn out that way – but I just don’t see them doing that.

    I think their interest in johnson is related to johnson’s skill set (albeit fragile ones…), contract requirements, and age.

    Remember – that king story came from Johnson’s agent not the team. Every agent wants it out there that the yanks are interested so who knows what the real story is.

  199. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    People like Crawford because he is fun to watch. When he gets on first it is exciting. However, in the grand scheme of things SB are vastly overrated. Guys like Crawford who go all out on defense and steal bases often get overpaid and a few years into the contract when the guy slows down a bit you regret it big time. Juan Pierre is a classic example. Granted Crawford has more power and talent than Pierre, I would not be surprised at all if Crawford’s contract got real ugly the last few years.

    While Holliday is less boring he would have far more impact on the offense and on this team.

  200. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    my heart beats, etc…

    actually, I’d tell Cano he’s batting 9th until he gets his OBP North of .360.

  201. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    LOL The Sox don’t have a clubhouse full of them……only Yankees are overpaid and spoiled.

  202. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Christina25,

    Give me a break. You know exactly what you said. You’re the same person who has been claiming over and over that the only reason you visit this blog isn’t to troll but because you want to see what pete is writing about the sox.

    Yet here you are.

    Here’s a hint:

    boston.com. You can go bother pete there.

  203. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    I’m pretty sure no Yankee has ever thrown down a Yankee travel secretary.

  204. blake December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Ok ladies and gentlemen and trolls, I must go to bed. Gnight all..

  205. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Holliday will not sign until Bay does, as he’s better than Bay and will need Bay’s salary as baseline for his own.

    Johnson could be the best remaining option for DH. Watch him get hurt running to 1st base.

  206. CR9 December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    8:00pm: Edes tweets that the Orioles “made a pretty good run” at Gonzalez during the Winter Meetings. It seems clear that Gonzalez has the potential to spark quite a bidding war.

  207. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    “what’s wrong w/ Melky in LF than either Damon or Johnson as DH? then get one more starter…I think the offense will be fine”

    I just don’t see Cash going that route. At all. Melky had a great year, but there is no guarantee of a repeat. We don’t know what we will get with him. I like Melky…a lot. But as 4th OF option. I don’t think he will be our starting LF. I also think Cash signed Hoffmann knowing that he was going to get rid of either Melky or Gardner. Why wouldn’t he have chosen a pitcher from the draft? I think Cash has grander plans than Melky starting as our LF’er.

  208. CR9 December 17th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    Via MLBTR

    More good news, unless Edes is just spewing the Red Sox propoganda.

  209. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    Bay will probably sign with the Mets tomorrow.

  210. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Btw, did we ever find out if anyone is actually willing to give Damon a 3/4 yr offer? Or is he still delirious?

  211. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Baltimore has this thing for lefty closers.

  212. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    I can imagine how the MSM would spin it if the Yankees were trying to pilfer Gonzalez from the small market Padres.

  213. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Baltimore closers the last few years:
    BJ Ryan
    George Sherrill
    Mike Gonzalez

  214. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    I see I missed much discussion this evening/tonight.

    Did Atlanta and Angels ever consumate that Derek Lowe for Juan Rivera trade that was being discussed?

  215. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 12:46 am

    dee

    If Damon really had a four year $13m per year contract offer as he claims, there would have already been a presser.

  216. petea December 17th, 2009 at 12:47 am

    Sign Randy Winn cheap off a bad year — switch-hitter bats 2nd — plays all 3 outfield positions — decent speed. Miranda and a rotation of rest for others at DH.

    Try to get a 4th starter — move Joba to the pen.
    or…
    Sign Matt Capps — leave Joba in the rotation.

  217. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 17th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    The Edes tweet on Adrian Gonzalez is what I find so funny about Red Sox fans right now. Gonzalez is a superstar right now with virtually no salary commitment the next 2 years. There are not many hitters in the game right now who provide more value relative to their contract. If he becomes available teams will be lining up to trade for him, yet Red Sox fans think he will only be available to them.

  218. dee December 17th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Latest Tweet

    RT: @Ken_Rosenthal: New Holliday suitor. Go to FOXSports.com/mlb. Story will be up shortly. // YOU ARE SUCH A TEASE, KEN.

  219. CB December 17th, 2009 at 12:52 am

    DaSaint,

    No movement on that trade. Sounds like it was very premature.

    If I were the angels I would really try to make a deal for Javy Vazquez instead of Lowe. Atlanta’s preference is to trade Lowe but they’ve entertained the idea of needing to move Vazquez because Lowe’s contract is so prohibitive.

  220. Jeremy December 17th, 2009 at 12:53 am

    lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins)
    Thats the the thing with some Red Sox fans. They think that Adrian Gon. belongs to them and that no other team would be willing to pursue him. They always complain about the Yankees being the “Evil Empire” but they have become what they hate.

    If I was Hoyer I would not accept that sorry package of players that Theo is putting out there.

  221. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    I was such a big Javy Vazquez proponent when the Yankees were considering getting him. So much talent, but a deer in headlights in the big city.

  222. PittsburghYankeeFan December 17th, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Ken Rosenthal–who is the “new suitor?”

    Knowing you, it’s the Nationals or the Mets….ha, ha.

    Don’t think so…more pinstriped, perhaps? Although Mets have pinstripes, don’t they?

  223. McFly December 17th, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Any ideas who Rosenthal is referring to? Yanks?

  224. hornblower December 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    You guys all sound like George Costanza!

  225. MTU December 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    CB-
    What happens when the same agent represents two players who want to go to the same team to play the same position ?

    Obviously both cant be accomodated. The only fair way for the conflict to be resolved is for one or both of the FA’s to move on of there own free will or be convinced by the agent that an offer is not likely to come.

    I believe that Damon did not receive any offer from the Yanks at all, and that this was intentional on the part of the Yankees.
    They want him to move on but they do not want to just come out and say we dont want you we want Holliday. Too tacky.

    So everyone involved needed to wait for Damon to come to this conclusion on his own. I think he now has. This means that the Yanks can now persue Holliday w/o any further complications involved which was the purpose of not making Johnny an offer in the first place.

    I hope they match the cards best offer because if they do i now see nothing in our way. there was a conflict before there may not be one now.

    Does this make any sense to you ?

  226. Joe I. December 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    “Any ideas who Rosenthal is referring to? Yanks?”

    The Orioles

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....s-holliday

  227. dee December 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    “Any ideas who Rosenthal is referring to? Yanks?”

    I hope lol. The only thing it says “new suitors”, so I guess it’s a possibility since they never considered themselves suitors before. Then again, it could mean anyone not named Mets or St. Louis.

  228. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    DaSaint007

    Maybe, but unlike most stars who came to NY, who had a very difficult period of transition in their first April in NY as they get acclimated to the pressure, Vazquez was at his best in April of 2004: ERA: 2.55, BAA: .183.

    I think the problem was arm trouble. Vazquez led the NL in Abuse Points in 2003. It probably affected him in 2004, and beyond.

  229. Pat M. December 17th, 2009 at 1:03 am

    MTU…Very good point, as I’m certain that is or was part of the equation….Granderson coming to NY was also a very strong message as well…

  230. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    “Obviously both cant be accomodated. The only fair way for the conflict to be resolved is for one or both of the FA’s to move on of there own free will or be convinced by the agent that an offer is not likely to come”

    A conflict of interest only becomes an issue if it isn’t disclosed. Boras’s clients know that he represents other clients whose interest may collide with their own. Yet they choose to stay with him, rightly or wrongly, for one reason: they trust him to get the best deal possible.

  231. MTU December 17th, 2009 at 1:05 am

    Rich-
    I think you are missing my point.

  232. dee December 17th, 2009 at 1:05 am

    I read a rumor that the Yanks were entertaining a trade with Lowe, sending Swish to the Braves. All I have to say is that Swish better not go anywhere. I love the guy. And is Lowe even worth it?

  233. PittsburghYankeeFan December 17th, 2009 at 1:07 am

    Damon to O’s, Holliday to Yanks, or vice versa?

    What are Damon’s numbers in Camden Yards?

  234. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 1:07 am

    We can’t let the O’s get Holliday.

  235. Jerkface December 17th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    I read a rumor that the Yanks were entertaining a trade with Lowe, sending Swish to the Braves. All I have to say is that Swish better not go anywhere. I love the guy. And is Lowe even worth it?

    Source? I very much doubt the yankees were entertaining anything like that.

  236. MTU December 17th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Pat-
    It is like two objects trying to occupy the same space at the same time. One must give way for there to be a resolution.

  237. McFly December 17th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Orioles hey… Bummer.

    I understand there is no need to panic, we have a great team. It’s just nice to hear about free agent signings. Gimmie something Cash, even a new ballboy that we can call a press conference for.

    Just something to take my mind off Hideki and Boston…

  238. dee December 17th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    I don’t know how trustworthy it is, but I just remember reading it.

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....n-guerrero

  239. CB December 17th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    MTU,

    The situation you described isn’t that unusual for agents as a whole – especially for Boras given how many people he represents.

    I’d guess it’s much worse with things like the entertainment industry when two actors might be up for the same part.

    It’s generally true for lawyers in large firms as well.

    Boras’s involvement with both players is transparent – so that keeps it above board. How things play out in private is a different issue.

    People were saying the same thing last year when boras was representing Tex and Manny. Tex goes to the yanks rather than the sox Manny’s market collapses. We know how that turns out.

    Ultimately, boras has a fiduciary responsibility to do what’s in his clients best independent interest.

    I do think all parties are trying to make sure Damon does fine in this situation. I don’t think Boras is engaging in some complex scheming that spills over into malfeasance.

    Word of that would get out very quickly and not even boras would be able to withstand that.

  240. McFly December 17th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    Not, Hideki to Boston… Just the two separate situations (Matsui-Angels & Sox-Lackey/Cameron)…

    Maybe I can cheer up by reading how we get to face Cliff Lee more now that hes back in the AL…

  241. steveoh December 17th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    If the Yanks are really at “just” 177 mil now, then

    Holliday
    Sheets

    Done.

  242. CB December 17th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    “We can’t let the O’s get Holliday.”

    I don’t see it. This is the O’s trying to get back some good will with their fanbase again.

    Their pitching is so bad – they aren’t even close to contention in the AL east. Holliday would be a huge waste of resources for them.

    Their OF is actually shaping up very nicely.

  243. Jerkface December 17th, 2009 at 1:14 am

    I don’t know how trustworthy it is, but I just remember reading it.

    Its not trustworthy at all, its the bleacherreport. Also it doesn’t even quote anyone, even anonymously. Its just a fanblog that posted a stupid fan suggestion.

    The yankees would never trade Swisher for Lowe. Melky for Lowe maybe, but they passed on Lowe last season why would they go after him this season? Especially after how bad he looked?

    They saw first hand how bad he was when they knocked him out in like the 3rd inning with 5 runs

  244. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:16 am

    Sign Jermaine Dye…
    He would make the lineup MUCH better…

    Melky 4th outfielder…can play against tough lefties; spell Swisher

  245. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:16 am

    Sign Jermaine Dye…
    He would make the lineup MUCH better…

    Melky 4th outfielder…can play against tough lefties; spell Swisher

  246. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:16 am

    Sign Jermaine Dye…
    He would make the lineup MUCH better…

    Melky 4th outfielder…can play against tough lefties; spell Swisher

  247. PittsburghYankeeFan December 17th, 2009 at 1:16 am

    dee

    Wow. Very interesting.

  248. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    It wouldn’t be Swisher, and they’d demand a lot of dough from the Braves and it’s just too many years.

  249. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Sorry about that…

    I left out signing Damon!

  250. Phil December 17th, 2009 at 1:18 am

    Jermaine Dye is done. He sucks in the field and his O is declining.

  251. dee December 17th, 2009 at 1:18 am

    “Its not trustworthy at all”

    Yeah I didn’t think so at all. But if Lowe didn’t have such a bad contract he wouldn’t be a terrible idea. I would much rather get Sheets or Justin D. though.

  252. MTU December 17th, 2009 at 1:19 am

    Cb-
    I wasn’t trying to say that. I was merely pointing out that it was impossible for two players to be able to go to play the same postion for the same team, and that that was a conflict preventing either from getting the position until one moves on.

    Damon has moved on and so now that position is open to holliday.

    I dont think Boras could have presented both of those players to the yanks at the same time and said which one would you like. I cant see how he could do that and still be being fair to both.
    They both were after the same position. That is a conflict. Even if they both knew about each other I cant imagine their agent doing that. Am I wrong ?

    Maybe Damon has now dropped out allowing Holliday to enter.

  253. Jerkface December 17th, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Jermaine Dye is so terrible I should post this 3 times as well.

  254. CR9 December 17th, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Thats the the thing with some Red Sox fans. They think that Adrian Gon. belongs to them and that no other team would be willing to pursue him. They always complain about the Yankees being the “Evil Empire” but they have become what they hate.

    First, that is exactly correct. And Boston’s behavior is the height of arrogance.

    Second, they have become what they and the media portrayed us to be, not necessarily what we were or are.

    I do not remember a time when the Yankees decided they wanted a superstar player from another team, manipulated the media, and then took him for potatoes. I might have selective memory…

  255. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2009 at 1:29 am

    I would have gone afer Lowe some years ago, but not now.
    I could see Swisher traded to ATL instead of Melky because of salary, which I’m believing more and more is a serious concern.

    I’m not sure we get Holliday or Damon. I don’t see Holliday as an AL guy. He knows and prefers NL pitching, as that’s where he’s had the most success. Why mess with that now? And for all those who say that St. Louis isn’t serious because they can’t then pay Pujols, I beg to differ. If they can’t show that they want to be in contention by building a competitive lineup, AP may reconsider. St. Louis can afford 5 years @ $18 million, plus 8 years @ $25 million to Pujols. Just remember who owns the team.

    Frankly, I think we’re done in the OF/DH, at least for now.

    I think the concentration is trading for a starter or maybe a reclamation FA or 2: Bedard and Sheets.

  256. dee December 17th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Too bad Jason Kubel isn’t trade bait. I wouldn’t mind him for DH. lol

  257. MTU December 17th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Pat-
    Below was taken from an earlier post by Lost in Holliday. I believe he has inside knowledge. He might be the same guy who clued us in about Tex last year.

    Boras wants to make Damon happy, but it looks like it is not going to be in NY. Still possible? Sure..
    Doesn’t want to piss Damon off and push Holliday to Yankees.
    Everybody’s pointing the finger, but nobody is taking action.

  258. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:39 am

    Jermaine Dye sucks?
    As a DH?
    Last 2 years…
    34/96/292….27/81/250

  259. sar515 December 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am

    How about Thome for a 1 year DH?
    He’d make up for Matsui’s power loss…

  260. Rich in NJ December 17th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    MTU

    “Rich-
    I think you are missing my point.”

    My bad.

  261. CR9 December 17th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    If this team is trying to get younger, more versatile, and not have the DH slot locked up by an actual position DH, then Vlad and Thome make so sense.

    For that, we would have, I believe, just signed Matsui.

    Matsui is a better hitter than both of those, and for only 6.5 million, that is peanuts.

  262. Corey December 17th, 2009 at 2:07 am

    I like the idea of Johnson. because he is a obp machine and would fit in the 2 hole. Healthy is a concern but he wouldnt have to play the field.

  263. Patrick the Prospect Hugger December 17th, 2009 at 2:11 am

    Nick Johnson would be a great signing for the Yankees but I don’t really see why he would want to come here. At most he’d sign a 2 year deal at probably less than 10 million a year. He’d be stuck at DH for the majority of his games which would decrease his future earning potential. He needs to join a club, any club, and play first base for the next year or two to prove he can stay healthy.

    With his bat and fielding skills he will probably get a big deal a year or two down the line. Signing with the Yanks would only showcase his bat.

  264. Corey December 17th, 2009 at 2:12 am

    He has a chance to win and also has ties to the Yankees.

  265. Pat M. December 17th, 2009 at 3:00 am

    Holliday is the perfect fit for the Yanks,,,As said before, he’ll hit 5th ( great coverage for Alex ) and he upgrades the defense….Unlsee Cashman plans on movey Melky ( value is high ) there is no need for Nick Johnson, as Swisher, Mirander and as per Cashman’s desire to rotation at the DH position….Melky in right would give the Yanks the best outfield since maybe 1998…That’s defensivley as well as Offensively……I think it very well may happen……Yanks outfield defensively last season was the weak kink….Granderson & Holliday would be a great upgrade

  266. Pat M. December 17th, 2009 at 3:02 am

    Remember Cashman’s own words, “if it fits , and it makes sense ” then I will make that move…..Matt makes sense in left and hitting 5th…..

  267. Dr Mustard December 17th, 2009 at 3:03 am

    Signing Nick Johnson is stupid….the guy gets injured sitting down watching tv.

  268. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 3:49 am

    Phil
    December 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    You guys know that Miranda’s injured right now, right?

    ————————————————————

    What makes you think that Johnson didn’t get hurt today when he was carrying in the groceries?

  269. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 3:52 am

    Johnson’s an ok player, but, he was never that great of a first baseman. He has an annoying habit of short arming the throws to him, and his main skill is walking, and as a DH, those walks ain’t scaring anybody.

  270. Drive 4-5 December 17th, 2009 at 4:59 am

    If the Yanks sign Nick Johnson as DH and don’t sign Matt Holliday, who the heck bats 5th and protects A Rod?

  271. Dr Mustard December 17th, 2009 at 5:13 am

    What happened to Cashman’s we got too get younger and more athletic

    Nick Johnson is overweight..has about 5 chins. 31 yrs old. very injury prone on a Pavano level, and cant field anymore than Matsui

  272. Nick in SF December 17th, 2009 at 5:15 am

    “Yanks outfield defensively last season was the weak kink…”

    I thought the weak kink was the Melky/Mary Carey interview.

  273. Januz December 17th, 2009 at 5:26 am

    I don’t like Boras in the least, but he is not stupid. If he sends Holliday to the Yankees, he is NOT throwing Damon under the bus and Damon knows it. Damon got $52m for 4 when no one really expected it, and from his point of view, he has to thank Boras for that.
    From Boras’s perspective, he has dealt with a number of teams down through the years: Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Mariners, Angels, Tigers, Dodgers and in the draft, the Royals. He has already alienated the Angels and Dodgers to the point where they won’t deal with him, and he has apparently done the same with Boston. He needs the Yankees, otherwise, he risks the market for his clients collapsing, and possibly his influence right along with it.

  274. Drive 4-5 December 17th, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Hip hip… Jorge! He’s right on the money about the pen and a starter. http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....yanks.html

  275. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 17th, 2009 at 6:16 am

    Chad

    Matsui leaving the Yankees is now news in the Netherlands.Check it out and try to translate:

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesp.....tml?p=10,3

  276. Rick December 17th, 2009 at 6:26 am

    Holliday is not coming to the Yankees. Money in the Nick Johnson range is where the Yankees are at. They are happy with patching a few has beens into their lineup. Wake up everyone.

  277. Rick December 17th, 2009 at 6:32 am

    Get it straight….The Yankees are shopping the blue light specials at KMart…not at Tiffany’s. They are cutting salary not adding. Maybe they are tired of supporting everyone else.

  278. Hjcho December 17th, 2009 at 6:35 am

    The Yanks dropped the ball on his one. With Granderson in the fold, they should have resigned Matsui.

  279. Mike RI December 17th, 2009 at 6:46 am

    Only two seasons under a .400 OBP. Need we say more??

  280. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Too funny. Boston signs a 37 year old center fielder and now the Boston slugs like Little Ricky slip out from under the rocks and declare victory.

  281. upstate kate December 17th, 2009 at 7:32 am

    GB7
    you are up early- hopefully that means you are feeling better.

  282. blake December 17th, 2009 at 7:36 am

    So far the socks have improved their pitching which was already their strength but they are currently worse offensively. They have a really good staff but I think they are going to struggle at times to score runs unless they make another move for a quality bat.

  283. paul.c December 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am

    Mike Cameron served a 25 game suspension for failed drug test , before the 2008 season.He operates under the Ortiz mantra, “It must’ve been something in my supplements.”

  284. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    upstate kate
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:32 am
    GB7
    you are up early- hopefully that means you are feeling better.

    ————————————————————

    Morning, Kate. I had to get up. They threatened to have my nurse, Mrs. Boris Karloff give me a bath if I didn’t do it myself.

  285. austinmac December 17th, 2009 at 7:54 am

    GB7–No smoking today. The urge will go away even if you don’t smoke. Trust me, it will be better in a week. I’m remembering. I too hope you are feeling better.

  286. upstate kate December 17th, 2009 at 7:55 am

    GB7
    Ah, I can see why you are up, that sounds nasty

  287. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 7:57 am

    I’m not too concerned about them picking up Lackey. He replaces a pitcher that won the same amount of games. That’s no way to pick up the 8 games they finished behind NYY.

  288. Am0s Moses December 17th, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Anyone saw the picture of Matsui in Angels red? Almost made me sick to the stomach. Such a bad move letting him go.

  289. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 8:00 am

    austinmac
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:54 am
    GB7–No smoking today. The urge will go away even if you don’t smoke. Trust me, it will be better in a week. I’m remembering. I too hope you are feeling better.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, Mac. The urge to have a cigarette is passing. Now, I’d rather have a cigar. It’s a hard cycle to break. I’d rather have a butt whoopin’.

  290. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am

    upstate kate
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:55 am
    GB7
    Ah, I can see why you are up, that sounds nasty

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, no kidding. I hear her dragging her size 18 foot down the hall and I feel like running away from home.

  291. upstate kate December 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am

    BostonDirtDogs seems more excited about the beautiful Krista Lackey than her ugly husband…it appears they are still upset about Tex’s wife dissing Boston

  292. Mike RI December 17th, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Anyone saw the picture of Matsui in Angels red? Almost made me sick to the stomach. Such a bad move letting him go.

    -It made me sick also. But i think it was the right move.

  293. jpb1973 December 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am

    Signing Nick Johnson for one year (if the Yankees can get him for one year) isn’t a bad idea. Let him try to put up big numbers at DH for us and try to get a bigger contract next year.

    Meanwhile, don’t commit any more $$$ to this free agent class. The current free agent class is a B or C rated class. Next year’s class is an A+ class. Save the $$$ for next year’s class. Also, recognize that some of the guys in next year’s class will be available at the trade deadline as “rents” when their teams drop out of the pennant race. If the Yankees have the $$$ and some prospects they could get one or two of those guys in July.

  294. EL Duque December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Quote:Chad

    Matsui leaving the Yankees is now news in the Netherlands.Check it out and try to translate:

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesp…..tml?p=10,3
    ________________________________________________

    It means something like: Awesome Free Agent Signing for the Angels! at the end of the article they sumerise the career of Godzilla!

  295. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am

    Also, you can’t run a team just trying to block another team. It would be poor business for the Yankees to make a move based on what the Sox are doing….nevermind the O’s. We don’t even know if the Yankees like Holliday or if Hal will even give the green light to another big contract.

  296. Steve December 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am

    The Nick Johnson idea is a backup plan to Johnny Damon. IF Damon doesn’t sign , we go after Nick,

    When he’s healthy , Nick is the best fill in for Damon.

    Hi OBP , can hit . has some pop , fit perfectly in the 2 slot

  297. pat December 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am

    GB

    Keep a stash of sugar free lollipops around for when the urge hits. Worked for me.

    I still on occasion walk slowly past an office building at lunch time to get a second hand smoke contact high though. :wink:

    One of the added bonuses is if you have lollipops, you’ll be the twins favorite person in the world when they are old enough to realize what they are.

  298. Riley December 17th, 2009 at 8:14 am

    I think it would be great for baseball and our divison if the O’s made a strong push for Holliday !

    That franchise needs something !

  299. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I don’t get the “he’s an AL or NL guy” with hitters…….. It makes a huge difference with pitchers changing leagues, but hitters? I don’t see it at all. Most hitters make their dime off of killing mediocre/bad pitchers (for most of the time, anyway) and there are mediocre/bad pitchers in the AL – they aren’t limited to the NL

  300. jpb1973 December 17th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Anyone saw the picture of Matsui in Angels red? Almost made me sick to the stomach. Such a bad move letting him go.

    ——————————————————-

    How do you think the fans of the Tokyo Yamayuri Giants felt seeing Matsui put on Yankee pinstripes the first time. This is typical for baseball in the free agent era…get used to it.

  301. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Jorge should pipe down – he’s not the GM and Cash knows what he’s doing, better than Jorge does.

  302. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 17th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    Good job El Duque

  303. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 8:22 am

    Wait, so Holliday wants to play in Baltimore ? Hmm, I thought he wanted to play for the Yankees…Did he grow up in MD? Ah, his friend, Garrett Atkins is now on the O’s……..I can see that team making a push.

  304. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    pat
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am
    GB

    Keep a stash of sugar free lollipops around for when the urge hits. Worked for me.

    I still on occasion walk slowly past an office building at lunch time to get a second hand smoke contact high though.

    One of the added bonuses is if you have lollipops, you’ll be the twins favorite person in the world when they are old enough to realize what they are.

    ————————————————————

    Great idea, pat. The problem with lollipops are that they aren’t as big as they used to be. Love the chocolate and red Tootsie Pops. There’s not as much Tootsie Roll center as there used to be. The twins will have to buy their own with their allowance. They ain’t gettin’ mine.

  305. Erin December 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Drive 4-5
    December 17th, 2009 at 5:29 am
    Hip hip… Jorge! He’s right on the money about the pen and a starter. http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..yanks.html

    ********************
    That’ a great article. I love Posada

  306. jpb1973 December 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Proposed lineup for 2010:

    1. Granderson-CF
    2. Jeter-SS
    3. Johnson-DH
    4. Arod-3B
    5. Teixeira-1B
    6. Posada-C
    7. Cano-2B
    8. Swisher-RF
    9. Cabrera-LF

    Moving Teixeira behind Arod in the lineup is a move that wouldn’t be unprecedented as Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle were switched in the lineup after the 1960 season.

  307. SJ44 December 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Betsy,

    Cashman routinely seeks out Jorge, Jeter and Mo for input on players.

    They have a very good relationship.

  308. Erin December 17th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Am0s Moses
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:58 am
    Anyone saw the picture of Matsui in Angels red? Almost made me sick to the stomach. Such a bad move letting him go.

    **********************
    I haven’t looked yet. That’s not something I’m eager to see. :(

  309. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Baltimore would have a rough time fitting into a three man outfield. They already have Jones, Reimold and Markakis with Pie, Scott and Wgginton backing them up. You don’t pay $18 mil a year to DH and a bench player, and they arenot moving Reimold to a DH spot.

  310. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Baltimore would have a rough time fitting ***Holliday*** into a three man outfield

  311. Mike Ri December 17th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    new thread

  312. Betsy - high on pie December 17th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    SJ, I can see him seeking out Mo and Jeter because I’m sure they put a lot of thought into it. For me, Jorge is an emotional guy and often speaks or acts without thinking (like in that fight with the Jays). I personally would not trust his judgement. Cash would love another starter, Jorge isn’t breaking new ground there. A reliever? While I am not happy with the pen, a LF is more important.

  313. jpb1973 December 17th, 2009 at 8:44 am

    Baltimore would have a rough time fitting into a three man outfield. They already have Jones, Reimold and Markakis with Pie, Scott and Wgginton backing them up. You don’t pay $18 mil a year to DH and a bench player, and they arenot moving Reimold to a DH spot.

    ———————————————————-

    If they signed, Holliday the Orioles would proabbly trade one of their current outfielders for a pitcher. They need pitching badly.

  314. Neil December 17th, 2009 at 8:46 am

    It’s either Holliday or Damon but not both. It’s either Nick Johnson, Nick Swisher, or Juan Miranda as DH but only one of them.
    It’s either Hughes or Joba in the starting rotation but not both.
    It’s either a proven innings eater ( ? ) or a rehabbed project ( ? ) but not both.

  315. vey December 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    Batting Jeter in the # 2 spot will increase his GDIP,don’t you remember?

  316. ArtieA December 17th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Doesn’t anybody think that the issue is stronger starting pitching? I don’t get all this raving/ranting about Holliday/Bay/Johnson/Nixon/Jerry Lewis et al. Boston’s rotation looks very tough right now. Holliday or Bay isn’t going to make up for those wins.The depth of pitching is very scary..Hughes and Joba on the back-end? and Andy a year older? We need ssome relaible innings from somewhere..Marquis, Pinerio, someone! Cash, forget about Damon and Johnson and go get some starting pitching now!!

  317. YanlkFanDave December 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    This is where the exotic stats go wrong. Do not sign Nick Johnson. Some basic stats:
    -An average of 85 games played per season over 9 year career.
    -No season over 147 games played and only 4 seasons over 100 games played.
    -Missed all of 2007 and played 38 games in 2008.
    -An average of 57 games played over the last 3 years.
    -Career highs aren’t very high: hrs is 23, rbi 77, avg. 273.

    When he plays, which is not very often, he gets on base but does very little else. Doesn’t drive runs in, has never really had the power that some seem to think he might regain and has no speed. Doesn’t run the bases well and provides no real flexibility other than some days at 1B.

    Do you sign him for his potential at this point in his career–no. Do you sign him for stats that mean nothing respecting how little he has played–no. Do you sign him because he wears high socks like the old timers–no.

    You don’t sign him. No need to take the risk for marginal reward.

  318. melky gardner December 17th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I like Nick but I wouldn’t want a Giambi #2. Even with a short contract it’s just not worth paying a guy to sit in the DL half of the year.

  319. d-fan December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I feel like I’m completely out of the loop in asking this but….. why not try and bring back Xavier Nady? isn’t that a much more affordable/flexible option?

  320. Twac00 December 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Why isn’t anyone mentioning Brian Giles? We should also sign DeRosa.

  321. ko December 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

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