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so, you’ve gotten over your Dejesus and Manny Ramirez stage and have graduated to Nick Johnson, huh? Who’s next? Nick Punto?
And by the way, I don’t know how much more clearly I can put it than I have. But I still believe that the most likely scenario has the Yankees adding either Damon or Holliday.
That said, Nick Johnson is the rumor of the day (started by the NY Post not me). You disagree, as is your right, but man up and stop whining about my posts when your argument falls flat.
Since Holliday is pricey, Nady makes more sense as the DH/PH/1B.
He hits lefties at 1/2 cost of Nick.
Bret,
If we get Holliday, we can afford to go cheap with the DH. It gives us so many more options.
Signing Johnson alone still leaves us with questions.
Mad prince, I know that Matsui press conference was painful to watch. I wish Matsui the best though and I don’t blame him for not wanting to wait around and be the Yankees last option.
Opening day 25 man roster:
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Alex
Holliday
Jorge
Cano
Swisher – DH
Melky – RF
Bench: Pena, Cervelli, Miranda, Gardner
Rotation:
CC, AJ, Andy, Sheets, Hughes
Pen:
Joba, Rivera, Marte, Dunn, Robertson, Gaudin, Aceves
Walrus,
I totally agree.
I would not be surprised to see Nady back as that cheap DH.
The Yankees scouts obviously valued him highly enough to part with Jose Tabata.
They might be right about him but we haven’t realized it yet due to his injury.
I’d like to see Nady (another Boras guy) have to sing for his lunch on a 1 year deal. He’d be playing for his next contract and the clubhouse apparently loves that guy.
Sorry, not Gardner, Hoffmann
Nady sucks.
I’d be
*I’d be for that, re: Nady or someone of that ilk to cheaply fill the DH if we get Holliday
Frank, my point was that people seem to have forgotten about Granderson since the trade went down. Everyone is freaking out about this team and how terrible it’s going to be. The absence of Matsui is not going to bring down the Yankees. They felt they wanted to do another way and now they will execute that plan. Granderson has good power – that was my point. We don’t need 8 players hitting 20 HRs – we have more than enough power on this team. Plus, people are talking as though if we get Johnson, it means we have Melky in LF. If we get Damon or Holliday, that’s more power….though for me, Damon’s ship has passed (and he didn’t hit a HR the last 6 weeks of the season – ouch).
Craw, it’s weird because I really love Hal. He’s a well-spoken, thoughtful guy – and he doesn’t have his father’s worst traits.
The Yankees scouts obviously valued him highly enough to part with Jose Tabata.
I wouldn’t read too much into that – Tabata looked like he was stalling at AA and was having issues dealing with the pressures of playing in Trenton (he walked away from the team a few times) so I think they were just ready to move him on at that point.
YankeeRay
December 17th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Hoffa
December 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I really like the idea of signing Holliday, but I am concerned about the long-term ramifications of the associated contract.
My fear is that signing Holliday will limit our ability to ink one of the free agent pitchers available next off-season.
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Pettittes money frees up pitching money for next year. Holliday is a must this year just like Tex was a must last year.
Swisher should be the DH the majority of the time moving to OF or 1B when the DH spot needs to be opened up for Posada, Arod, Jeter, Tex. Sign Sheets and move Joba to the pen.
If we get Holliday, wouldn’t we be better served signing a lefty DH if we sign Holliday?
I would love to add Sheets- but Sheets is in no hurry to sign. I guess LF comes first, then the pitching…….if Sheets is in no hurry, that’s ok (however, if he goes somewhere else, what other options to we have? I’ve heard no buzz on Deutscherer – guess he might take awhile as well).
Adding Granderson and Hoffman frees up Brett Gardner in a trade. That’s why we heard about teams contacting the Yankees for him after the Granderson deal.
Adding Matt Holliday and Nady or Nick Johnson makes Miranda expendable.
Those two, though bench players on many teams in MLB make great complimentary pieces to go along with some of the blue chips.
Nick Johnson is a sweet swinging lefty with a sick glove, and walks an inconceivable one out of every 5 ABs.
Erin
December 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am
NYY626
December 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Jete couldnt go to the conference cause hes too busy rehearsing for SNL
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Right! I can’t wait for Saturday night
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My friend is having a christmas party at her house on saturday and most people attending are well aware that I will be glued to the TV at 11:30. I don’t know if this SNL will be as good as the last one he did though. How do you top Jeter, Cone and Wells in dresses?
Chip
December 17th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Opening day 25 man roster:
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Alex
Holliday
Jorge
Cano
Swisher – DH
Melky – RF
Bench: Pena, Cervelli, Miranda, Gardner
Rotation:
CC, AJ, Andy, Sheets, Hughes
Pen:
Joba, Rivera, Marte, Dunn, Robertson, Gaudin, Aceves
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Chip, great post. You and I are 99% on the same page especially moving Arod to 3 hole so Tex can protect against RHP.
The one move I would make here is putting Hoffman in Gardners spot if he has a good spring. Gives us a better RH bat off the bench to hit for Melky and occasionally start in the OF. Miranda gives us the LH bat off the bench but Gardner gives us very little other than a pinch runner which Pena can do.
I would love to add Sheets- but Sheets is in no hurry to sign. I guess LF comes first, then the pitching…….if Sheets is in no hurry, that’s ok (however, if he goes somewhere else, what other options to we have? I’ve heard no buzz on Deutscherer – guess he might take awhile as well).
I like Sheets (and I know the Yankees have too for a long time) but I’m starting to wonder if the health concerns surrounding a rotation of, CC, AJ, Andy, Sheets, Hughes are any better or worse than the performance concerns surrounding a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes, Joba.
Miranda will be on this squad, taking Hinske’s spot.
Pena will be replacing Hairston
Cervelli will be replacing Molina
Hoffman will be replacing Gardner/Melky
Talk about a youthful bench! But savings have to come from somewhere, so bench and our BP is comprised of home grown…quality, “cheaper” guys.
I dig it.
The one move I would make here is putting Hoffman in Gardners spot if he has a good spring. Gives us a better RH bat off the bench to hit for Melky and occasionally start in the OF. Miranda gives us the LH bat off the bench but Gardner gives us very little other than a pinch runner which Pena can do.
Yeah, I forgot Hoffmann when I made that post – corrected it later on.
I think Gardner would probably stay in AAA in case Melky flames out or someone gets hurt.
“My friend is having a christmas party at her house on saturday and most people attending are well aware that I will be glued to the TV at 11:30. I don’t know if this SNL will be as good as the last one he did though. How do you top Jeter, Cone and Wells in dresses?”
Lets hope they try!
Look for a spoof of the Gillette commercials
Phil,
How do you expect to get blog traffic with that Internet etiquette?
Calling people maniacal.
Lashing out at other’s ideas.
You think more people will want to talk baseball with someone like that?
Boy, you are smarter than that.
Don’t let your personality get in the way of your baseball knowledge.
NYY626
December 17th, 2009 at 11:50 am
My friend is having a christmas party at her house on saturday and most people attending are well aware that I will be glued to the TV at 11:30. I don’t know if this SNL will be as good as the last one he did though. How do you top Jeter, Cone and Wells in dresses?
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LOL…I know, it will be hard to top his last SNL.
That’s hilarious that everyone knows to get out of your way at 11:30. I’d be the exact same way!
Gaudin and Gardner to KC for some prospects. Melancon in the pen in Gaudin’s spot. Gaudin is redundant with Mitre and the host of prospects we have in AAA…
Talk about a youthful bench! But savings have to come from somewhere, so bench and our BP is comprised of home grown…quality, “cheaper” guys.
Right – the Yankees can afford to start the season with a bench like that. We saw last year with the trades for Hairston and Hinske that if the Yankees feel like their bench isn’t cutting it you can always find a bench player to trade for during the season.
Mark
December 17th, 2009 at 11:46 am
If we get Holliday, wouldn’t we be better served signing a lefty DH if we sign Holliday?
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I think you can make a case for that but at the same time, the Yankees lineup has few true righties. Even with Holliday, you have 3 – Arod, Holliday and Jeter.
Granderson plays CF. Cashman and Girardi said that at the press conference today to reaffirm it.
Wed still have no LF and DH.
I don’t think anyone is minimizing his impact… but we still have work to do to fill the other two positions.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Lets hope they try!
Look for a spoof of the Gillette commercials
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That would be funny.
Are you going to watch SNL’s Christmas special tonight?
my 2nd fave player, the past 5 years looks perfect in pinstripes. Welcome to the Bx, Curtis Granderson!
we don’t need a Matt Holliday. Next step, sign Nick Johnson
Your wife and I are a lot alike. I would do the same thing. lol
I just looked at pictures from his press conference a little while ago, and had pretty much the same reaction you did.
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I did the same thing
Matsui’s HR vs Pedro is my work desktop background. The last regular season game I took my girlfriend (japanese) to tropicana field and we had an awesome Matsui sign and he waved at us. Going to miss him 
“my point was that people seem to have forgotten about Granderson since the trade went down. Everyone is freaking out about this team and how terrible it’s going to be”
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betsy: yes. Cuz they’re only thinking/trying to get Matt Holliday. The word ’spoiled’ comes to mind
Gaudin is not redundant. He’s a pitcher that gets a high amount of k’s and that translates well into the pen. Mitre will either be a starter (let’s hope not) or a mop up man.
AeroFANatic
December 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Gaudin and Gardner to KC for some prospects. Melancon in the pen in Gaudin’s spot. Gaudin is redundant with Mitre and the host of prospects we have in AAA…
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I can see both Gaudin and Gardner traded. However, I don’t see Miranda on this team. I’d much rather have Nady for 2 mil and trade Miranda. Jorge Vazquez is waiting in the minors as well – not much need for Miranda.
We have a budget as it is… tying up millions of dollars in guys like Hinske, Hairston, and Molina is really not worth it, especially if it comes at the expense of another starter.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am
“My friend is having a christmas party at her house on saturday and most people attending are well aware that I will be glued to the TV at 11:30. I don’t know if this SNL will be as good as the last one he did though. How do you top Jeter, Cone and Wells in dresses?”
Lets hope they try!
Look for a spoof of the Gillette commercials
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hmmm I wonder how they will handle the Tiger situation considering jeter and him are friends….
“Are you going to watch SNL’s Christmas special tonight?”
I’ll try to.
I think this is the funniest skit they’ve done in years – years I say!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4761.....calculator
Chip, love that lineup and rotation. That’s my best case scenerio for the yanks. However I think that’s a little optimistic. I think of they sign Holliday then they will go cheaper on the starting pitcher either with duke or by exploring trades. I hope I’m wrong because Holliday in the #5 spot and Sheets as your 4th starter with Joba setting up Mo would be just downright nasty.
Damon is a loony if he thinks he’s going to get $13 million/year from a team that has any shot of winning it all.
This is the classic situation in which someone like Baltimore or Texas will step in and give this guy an absurd contract and we’ll basically just see Damon lose a step in his game and fade away.
He can still be effective and I wish he’d come back for a year or two and about $6-8 million dollars less over the contract, but like Matsui, sometimes your best move is to move on.
Juan Miranda hit .333 with a HR and 3 RBIs in 9 bats last year.
He also has one of the longest HRs in the history of Tropicana Field. He also had a game winning bunt hit off of Kyle Farnsworth last year.
Giving him the DH spot if Johnson gets injured is not a big deal at all.
Opening day 25 man roster:
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jorge Posada C
Curtis Granderson CF
Nick Swisher RF
Robinson Cano
Melky Cabrera LF
Bench: Ramiro Pena, Francisco Cervelli, Brett Gardner, FA signing (not Hoffmann)
Rotation:
CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Ben Sheets, Phil Hughes
Pen:
Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, Damaso Marte, Mark Melancon, David Robertson, Chad Gaudin, Alfredo Aceves
Vinny-B
While we don’t “need” Holliday, we didn’t “need” Granderson either….but he makes the team better.
Holliday answers our LF worries for the next 5 years, and he will outperform his contract as a 5WAR player roughly. This then frees up the DH spot for some in house candidates, and gives us the true #5 hitter to protect ARod/Tex.
Sure its another “long” contract…but we will be saving 11 next year on Petitte and 13 the next year on Posada, and those positions will be benefitted by cheaper cost controlled guys (Montero/Romine/Joba/Hughes, etc)
So realistically, Holliday makes too much sense NOT to happen.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I think this is the funniest skit they’ve done in years – years I say!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4761…..calculator
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Which one is it?
I’m at work, so I can’t watch it right now
I agree with the Ben Sheets signing. I know he seems to be taking his time, but he is definitely worth an incentive-laden deal for 2 or 3 years. Even more so than AJ, he is a #1 pitcher when healthy.
Chad and Sam, they look even better in motion. What a suave duo.
I’m at work, so I can’t watch it right now Which one is it?
Malkovich and Armison play twins who get a calcuator for Christmas – they should show it tonight if they don’t they are silly
Why is there no talk about Jason Bay?
Gaudin’s problem is that he can’t get out lefties consistently. He does have very good stuff though. 93-94 MPH fastball, nice tight slider. Solid change-up.
He is not a bad insurance policy. He has had some success as a reliever in the past too.
Nick-
Because, it’s quite possible, Bay is WORSE than Damon in the OF.
As for Holliday, it does not make sense to give him 20-22 mm per year to play LF. If the Yanks are truly cutting payroll, you can give Damon a 2 year deal and wait for a younger player to come along or eventually move Jeter to LF, if necessary. If in 2 years, Jeter is still the man at SS, then you can find another free agent to patrol LF.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 17th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I’m at work, so I can’t watch it right now Which one is it?
Malkovich and Armison play twins who get a calcuator for Christmas – they should show it tonight if they don’t they are silly
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Oh, that one is good! I don’t see why that wouldn’t be in tonight’s show.
Nick -
Because Bay is a terrible fit defensively in LF at Yankee stadium.
Buster’s latest useless information. “the red sox would be interested in signing Matt Holliday at less than what the Cardinals have offered”. Very insightful Buster, I’m sure Holliday and Boras will jump at that opportunity.
Sam’s got it right, a collar and a nice printed shirt. Chad, what are you doing? Plain long sleeves?
We can tell who is the beat reporter here and who is the columnist.
Signing Sheets had no downside. If the other option is going into the season with both kids in the rotation, Sheets gives them another option if he pans out— a high ceiling guy who would be an excellent middle rotation guy for us, but with ace stuff. If he gets hurt, no harm no foul… we’ll just go back to our original plan of the kids int he rotation. If that is our plan now anyway, then what harm does it do to bring in Sheets with the hope he could provide a huge boost to the rotation?
From Ed Price’s twitter -
Hal Steinbrenner on Johnny Damon: “I think right now there’s just a difference of opinion to what the pay is, quite frankly.”
I have heard the Chris Garcia is one of the best young arms in terms of pitches, whats the word on his recovery?
blake
December 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Buster’s latest useless information. “the red sox would be interested in signing Matt Holliday at less than what the Cardinals have offered”. Very insightful Buster, I’m sure Holliday and Boras will jump at that opportunity.
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LOL
Brian NYY-
Holliday would not be paid 22-23 mill per. He can be had for 5/90.
2nd, “wait” for a younger player to come along? Holliday is 29, and would be 29-34 (in his PRIME) during these years. “WAiting” for a player does not always work out. A bird in hand…
And Jeter will finish his career as the DH on this team when he is not SS. He won’t be going to LF.
DH 10 – ?
DH 11 – Posada
DH12 – Jeter
has anyone heard anything on Erik Bedard? What is he asking for in salary? How does it compare to Sheets? Sheets would be priority #1, but Bedard is not a bad option either (if he gets healthy)
The yankees have zero outfielders in the minors that are close to the big leagues and Holliday is better than any outfielders that are free agents next year. If the Yanks don’t sign him it will be because ownership simply wouldn’t allow the contract, there is no other logical reason.
i dont get why buster and co even bother to write this crap…
so boston would want holliday at less than he already was offered from the team he already played for?
how utterly irrelevant.
next buster tweet:
Buster: Yankees interested in Winning Baseball Games
Chip with the Dejesus question!
“has anyone heard anything on Erik Bedard? What is he asking for in salary? How does it compare to Sheets? Sheets would be priority #1, but Bedard is not a bad option either (if he gets healthy)”
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yup. When Bedard is healthy, he is a shut-down pitcher in the AL East
that said, have not heard a whisper of him this off-season. It makes one wonder he is not healthy
People here seem to think Holliday will agree to a 5 year deal even if they wanted him to.
as it is damon has been brainwashes to think he will get 3 and 13m a year. In holliday terms, that is 7-8 years and 20 mil a year. No thanks!
A blog post from earlier in the offseason:
John Perrotto of Baseball Prospects noted that the Marlins are “very willing to trade Josh Johnson right now for the right package.” Buster Olney (ESPN) respectfully disputes that notion, stating that he “made contact with a couple of executives of rival teams Thursday night, and both indicated that the Marlins had not yet told them this.” Olney’s claim could be dated, though, since he contacted team officials on Thursday, whereas Perrotto’s information was tweeted Friday.
Vinny-b, at this point I’d like Holliday too – I’m not sure that makes me spoiled. I was talking in reference to those who didn’t want NJ because we need another run producer. We’re fine in that regard and I think people forgot about Granderson – he hits HRs and I think he is going to be absolutely terrific.
I didn’t see the presser and so I missed Hal (will catch it on YES later). Did he say anything interesting (same goes for Cash) as far as future plans?
Also, I don’t get why people want Swish to DH. What is the benefit of that?
So let me get this straight…
2008 161M Sabathia
2008 180M Teix
2008 80M Burnett
2009 80-100M Holliday
2010 80-100M Jeter
There is ZERO shot that Holliday will be signed by the Yankees and Hal will ok another huge long term commitment.
Be careful not to assign any credit to Buster Olney. He has people convinced that Josh Johnson is not on the market. One small problem with that…a blog from early in offseason:
John Perrotto of Baseball Prospects noted that the Marlins are “very willing to trade Josh Johnson right now for the right package.” Today, however, Buster Olney (ESPN) respectfully disputes that notion, stating that he “made contact with a couple of executives of rival teams Thursday night, and both indicated that the Marlins had not yet told them this.” Olney’s claim could be dated, though, since he contacted team officials on Thursday, whereas Perrotto’s information was tweeted yesterday (on Friday).
The marlins have already turned down a pretty darn good offer for JJ this winter. They are going to have to be blown away to make a deal for him.
betsy: not really. They didn’t really ask Hal any pertinent questions. And Cashmoney was his normal undercover self
Blake, that is the logical reason. They dont want to tie up another another 85 – 100 mil in one player.
Next yr they will be paying Jeter 80 – 100 mil and Rivera probably another 30 mil. They already have Arod, Tex & CC on huge contracts.
You just can’t tie up too much of your payroll in 5 or 6 players.
Holliday is the #1 LF in MLB this past season in WAR. If he simply maintains his average (5WAR) over the course of his contract…he will be a bargain.
Plus, we need another RH bat…and his swing actually is tailor made, as many of his HR go to RF.
AND, he is the perfect protection in the #5 hole.
Maybe Olney figures that Holliday wants to be a Red Sox so badly, he will take slightly less to go there over St. Louis.
Jeter is not signing anything near 80 -100….try more like 30 to 50
JK,
You beat me to it.
The Marlins told their beat writers the other day JJ will begin the year in Florida.
Blake and Tex,
LOL! 20 other teams would also sign him for less than what the Cardinals offered.
Why would he write something so dumb?
AeroFANatic-
Have you see Holliday’s requests? He wants to be paid close to what Tex was paid last year.
5 for 90 is not terrible but the Yanks do not want to overpay for a corner OF.
ESPN has stated:
Boras has consistently compared Holliday’s skills to those of first baseman Mark Teixeira, who signed an eight-year, $180 million contract with the New York Yankees last winter. But at the winter meetings in Indianapolis last week, Boras declined to say whether Holliday is seeking a contract similar to Teixeira’s.
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are offering a deal worth about $16 million for as much as eight years.
Does everyone see Jeter getting a 4-5 year deal?
One HR does not a player make. I don’t care if Miranda hit that ball to the moon…….he’s not a proven hitter and I’ve no interest in just handing him the DH sport (or half of it, anyway).
Gaudin is not expendable – I like him. He’s limited, but he did a good job for us and he’s useful; the Yanks like him as well.
Well, I don’t know if that spells the end of Damon, but if the Yankees don’t walk away now, it means they absolutely, desperately want him (and I’d hoped we’d be avoiding these desperate situations).
U.E.
That skit was hillarious. I like the Peyton Manning playing pick up ball with little kids.
SJ44:
my bad for not getting back. Had left for 1 hour. I will re-post what that gentleman had typed (yesterday evening), in 1 minute
30 to 50 mil? Wow, you’re way off. jeter will sign a 4 or 5 yr deal at around 20 mil per year (unless this year ends in disaster).
Despite what some people on this blg claim, jeter has outperformed his 10 yr 189 contract. There is no way he’s taking a pay cut when he’s still one of the 5 best all around SS’s in baseball.
Can you take off the pictures of the blog writers under each blog entry?
Being constantly smiled at is really getting annoying.
A Nick Johnson bio ……
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Johnson
Brian NYY-
18 million for him is not overpaying, if they get him at 5/90. Which is actually a greater annual amount than STL is offering…
And it’s “UP TO” 8 years…which means it could be 5 guaranteed and some club options.
Don’t say zero shot.
Things have changed since last week when there was zero shot.
Now? Greater than zero. How much greater will depend on the structure of the deal.
Betsy,
Gaudin is very expendable. I dont care how much you like him. A guy that couldn’t get through 5 innings, and historically can not get left handed hitters out will not fare well over the long haul. There is a reason he pitched 1 inning in the post season….
Sox think the Yanks are in for Holliday and are trying to get them to ante- up; that’s the only reason I can come up with.
Thanks, Vinny!
SJ, what do you make of Hal’s comment on Damon?
CountryClub,
Obviously some people think the Yankees should have a 250M payroll. The Yankees decided Tex was a better move than Holliday last year.
S.o.S.
December 17th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
U.E.
That skit was hillarious. I like the Peyton Manning playing pick up ball with little kids.
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I LOVE that Peyton skit! Absolutely hilarious
Countryclub, there is nothing wrong with a longer term deal if the player is a good player. The Yankees may decide they would rather have what amounts to a fixed rate for Holliday for 5 years than to have to worry about who is going to play LF every year. I don’t presume to know what they are thinking, because I don’t know and the people in this blog that talk in absolutes like they do are kinda funny.
The Yankees just wont a WS with Melky in CF. if that doesnt prove to you that you don’t need an all-star at every position…I don’t know what will.
posted by Lost-Holliday-In (repost)
NYY need a LF (of talent).
There are only 2 LF the fit the NYY mold perfectly.. Damon/Holliday
Both are represented by the same agent.. And nobody (even Boras) doesn’t want to piss off a client.
Yankees ARE/MUST going to get younger.
NYY org, really likes Damon and don’t want to throw him under the bus.. Everybody in Yanks org and Boras wants Damon to be happy before they make an offer to Holliday.
However, time is dragging on.. and Boras is business. Yanks will match/beat any offer for Matt, it’s virtually a lock and he knows that.. and people close to Matt know his first choice is NYY. Business wise, it makes more sense for him to get JD a 2/3 year deal for what JD wants..
then there are no hurt feelings by anybody. Well ‘cept maybe the cards..
but like I said, clock is tickin’. I expect something to come out as soon as Friday
Betsy
The Yankees aren’t desperate. I don’t get how you can think they are.
Vinny,
it was posted earlier and I believe it’s an accurate description for what’s happening at this time.
Jeter for $20 million a year? Ouch….. For future payroll flexibility, the Yankees had better hope their next wave of stars doesn’t perform so well into their late 30’s, lol. (I’m kidding, kidding!)
and:
I think everyone agrees that Jeter basically has a lifetime contract with the yanks. That being said, I think Jeter gets the 5yrs for 90 mm contract, people say could go to Holliday.
Even though the Yanks have no power prospects near the majors to play LF, investing another 6-7 year deal in another player isn’t going to fly with C$ or the Steinbrenners. He’s a nice player and a perfect fit in the 5 hole but the price seems steep.
Although you could make the argument that paying Damon 39 mm over 3 years, you basically are paying 4-5 mm more for a younger, better player over that same stretch of time.
Lost in Holliday-in (repost)
Holliday:
He thinks the Yankees just may be serious. That they aren’t going to bid for him. Though he feels it’s just the crickets chirping PR. He’s doubtful and his dad has ants in his pants.
Secret dreams are that it is done by xmas and he is on the Yankees.
Boras wants to make Damon happy, but it looks like it is not going to be in NY. Still possible? Sure..
Doesn’t want to piss Damon off and push Holliday to Yankees.
Everybody’s pointing the finger, but nobody is taking action.
My thoughts? Well, last year I was certain about Tex, this year, I’m not as certain, but I still see Holliday in LF/NY
“Vinny,
it was posted earlier and I believe it’s an accurate description for what’s happening at this time”
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ok. Thank you, SJ
Maine, I didn’t say they were. I said that staying in for Damon for so long shows that they want him very badly. Boras can prey on that desire. At some point, don’t you think the Yankees just have to move on? Personally, I don’t want him back for one year…forget two…so I suppose I’m biased. If they don’t get Holliday, you think they want to go into the season with Melky in LF? That’s not for me……
Blake,
Good point; I don’t have any real idea what the Yankees are thinking. I am making an educated guess based on what I’ve heard both in and out of print. In the end, you may very well be right. If Holliday decides he’ll take a 5 yr deal at 75 or 80 mil…I guess it’s possible that the Yanks sign him. I just don’t see him accepting that kind of deal.
Im trying to remember the news reporters name that was on SNL Brian Williams i believe and the skit was that he won some type of clearing house money and they show him not excited whatso ever. He then gets all pumped up when the Pizza gets there. Absolutely the one skit that made me cry. Funniest ever.
Sj, I have no idea, buster just acts like he has to write something every five minutes whether its news or not.
Two questions
1. give us your odds of the yankes signing Holliday as of Dec. 17.
2. do you think holliday and sheets are an either or type thing or is there any chance they would sign both?
SJ44,
I say Zero because of the way Hal wouldn’t let Cash add any money at the trading deadline. Adding Holliday at 18M puts them well over 200M again after the arb cases before they even add another pitcher.
Damon for 3 years? No chance……
Betsy,
Hal is right. They have a difference of opinion on the money and sooner rather than later something has to give.
JMO but, by Christmas either Damon or Holliday will be signed to play LF.
Last week, I would have bet the house it would have been Damon.
This week? I’m starting to think it may end up being Holliday.
S.o.S.
December 17th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Im trying to remember the news reporters name that was on SNL Brian Williams i believe and the skit was that he won some type of clearing house money and they show him not excited whatso ever. He then gets all pumped up when the Pizza gets there. Absolutely the one skit that made me cry. Funniest ever.
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I think it was Brian Williams. That was hilarious
there may be a chance they can wrap jeter for 5/75 instead of 5/100. jeter seems like a standup guy and a team player. he realized that in 5 years, we will certainly not perform like the last 10. he may be ok with 15m/year and that would free a little extra for something else. well see…
JK,
Not if the deal is backloaded.
Hal has never said no to an IMPACT player acquisition.
“Impact”, being the key word.
For those watching SNL this Saturday thinking Jeter is the host, I have bad news for you. He’s not hosting. James Franco is the host and the musical guest is Muse.
SJ44
December 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
The Marlins told their beat writers the other day JJ will begin the year in Florida.
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Cashman and the Yankees once told their beat writers that Bubba Crosby would be the starting CF.
Your post here, though thoroughly declarative in tone, proves nothing.
this MLB CHANNEL recap of the 1994 San Diego Padres season, is gold. It is worth watching for the extensive highlights of a brawl between SD and the Braves. Never seen anything like it.
Betsy
I guess my approach is just differant than your’s. I’m not critizing you so don’t take it as such.
I tend to wait and see how things play out and then form my opinion. I recall when they got Brosius and wasn’t excited but I admit it turned out to be a good move.
Would we have expected Swisher to have had the impact on this team when we heard they got him? No, but it turned out to be a good move.
There is a chance that there are moves like these to be done that we don’t see. I like to take the wait and see approach. Less stressfull.
http://www.replacementlevel.co.....turn_as_dh
Nick Johnson’s projections by Calibos at RLYW, which I put a lot of trust in. Johnson pretty much projects to be awesome as long as he makes his baseline or above.
His 80% projection is sick.
Erin,
It was Williams. Im trying to find the skit but am not having any luck.
Nastiest skit ever was the one with i believe Will Ferrell where they were eating out of each others mouth at the dinner table.
Bret,
They are still negotiating with his agent on a long term deal.
He’s not on the market.
They turned down the equivelent of Hughes and Montero from Texas for him.
Believe it or not, he’s starting the year in Florida.
vinny,
You mean the 84 season? I saw that brawl last night. When was the last time the same pitcher was thrown at 4 times? Never?
SJ44,
4 years from now…
36 year old Burnett 16.5M
33 year old Holliday 18M-20M (if back loaded)
40 year old Jeter 17-20M
38 year old Arod 28M+
34 year old Tex 22M
^^^^ this doesn’t scare the crap out of you?
AeroFANatic –
Actually, the more you think about it, the more it does make sense to sign Holliday. Damon is going to cost 3 yrs @13 mm per year, so that is the base we have to work with.
For those same 3 yrs, you can get a 29 yr old OFer for 5 mm more per year = 15 mm.
Now you are left in 2013 with a 32 yr old OFer with a 3 yr 54 mm contract which is probably going to be the going rate for an OFer.
I say, do it up. 6 yrs @ 18 mm per year.
Sign Sheets to a 2 yr, 7 mm base (with 5 mm in incentives) per year.
thats 25 mm guaranteed getting our payroll back to where it was last year.
Lineup:
Jeter
Grandy
ARod
Tex
Holliday
Jorge
Cano
Swish DH
Melky RF
Staff:
CC, AJ, Andy, Sheets, Phil
SJ,
I hope you are right on Holliday, but i think the yankees have their core of long term contracts now. i just don’t think they want to go long on Holliday.
5 players on the 25 man roster?
No, it doesn’t.
Vote for the Yankees as the team of the decade
http://espn.go.com/sportsnatio.....8;sCat=902
SJ44
December 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Bret,
They are still negotiating with his agent on a long term deal.
He’s not on the market.
They turned down the equivelent of Hughes and Montero from Texas for him.
Believe it or not, he’s starting the year in Florida.
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They might be negotiating, they might not be.
His agent recently said that he will command 18-20 per season as a free agent.
Yet you are 100% sure, he won’t test the market and really truly favors an extension for peanuts compared to the figure he through out there?
Just because it was reported?
Vinny, lots of ex yanks in that brawl. Nettles, Goose, Chambliss, Perez, Ed Whitson.
JMO but, by Christmas either Damon or Holliday will be signed to play LF.
Last week, I would have bet the house it would have been Damon.
This week? I’m starting to think it may end up being Holliday.
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I agree with that 100%
Also the O’s signed both Garrett Atkins and Mike Gonzalez. The Atkins signing is a low risk, moderate reward type deal. At his best he’s going to give them some pop and play an above average 3b for them to go along with good play from Izturis at SS.
Gonzalez is a different case, he’s either going to be good there or he’s going to be Danys Baez redux for them. I’m really impressed actually with what Baltimore is doing. They know that everything has to break right for them to even sniff the playoffs in this division but they’re trying to field a competative team that will, if nothing else, try to reignite the fan base.
Millwood’s no stud, but he gives them a veteran leader for their rotation. They have a solid defensive team and, if Gonzalez works out, they have a legitimate closer. I would like to see them add one more veteran pitcher and one veteran position player, guys from winning organizations who can teach the kids on this team what it takes to win.
Torre was the Braves manager too.
SJ44,
BTW, you off Damon’s jock yet? Sounds like it
I kid. I kid.
That would scare the crap out of the royals, I’m not sure it does the Yankees. They are on the hook for most of that anyway and Holliday making that money at 33 doesn’t add any fear to me. 20 million for his caliber of player might be a bargain in 4 yrs, who knows…
Trading for a young horse like Johnson would be costly… maybe a better package than Toronto wanted for Doc. Hard to see the Yanks doing that.
Why do some of you keep insisting the Yanks need a LF/RF AND DH? They need a LF/RF OR DH. Nick Johnson cannot play anywhere but first so he would be another roster clogging full time DH which they seem determined to avoid.
Damon isnt worth a half a year in left field IMO. He looked like Shelley Duncan without arm or Conceco on pop ups. Id rather us go after Derosa if they want to be cost effective.
Johnson at dh
Derosa in left
Ducheser starting pitcher
Should do the job.
SJ44,
For all we know, Josh Johnson wants an extension that breaks the Marlins budget and these so called negotiations for an extension are nothing but a smokescreen for the Marlins who are in a position where they have to trade him within the next 2 years. If Cashman blows them away now, how can they say no if in reality they can’t afford the real extension that he might be looking for, one that is much pricier than the one reported initially.
Bret,
I know his agent. I know they are still talking.
I also know the Marlins made it clear at the Winter Meetings to teams they aren’t shopping him and reiterated it to their beat writers a week later.
Unless something has changed in the last 48 hours, he’s not on the market.
SJ44,
It does scare Cashman, because he just came through a period where the roster was old, overpaid and inflexible
I think the more telling thing with Johnson is not what his agent or anybody has told the press, its that the marlins flatly turned down a very good offer from Texas already..
20% of the roster at that age doesn’t scare Cashman.
This isn’t KC or Pittsburgh.
There’s no rush from the Marlins’ point of view to do anything with Josh Johnson.
Yes, they approached him about a new contract but just because he turned it down doesn’t mean they have to hurry up and deal him. He has, I believe, one or two more arbitration years to work with after this season and while he’s good, he’s not going to break the bank like a King Felix or Lincecum will in arbitration.
I want to be an optimist on the Marlins and believe that they can find it in their budget to keep a pitcher like Josh Johnson the same way they reached a deal with Hanley Ramirez.
It wouldnt scare me as a gm if that meant having a couple of mediocre years after winning another two or three titles with these aging players. One title per one off year is fine by me. Our biggest problems before was signing players to long term deals after a breakout season in their contract year.
Sad news about Chris Henry’s death this morning. Just reminds you to be thankful everyday just to wake up.
SJ44
Wouldn’t inflation soften the sting of some of those contracts 4 yrs from now?
The more I think of it the more I think we should get Holliday for LF.
Then see if Damon will come back as DH on our terms…
if not…perhaps Johnson.
I believe the weight of the evidence points to the greater likelyhood of the Yanks signing Holliday over Damon. No one can say for sure at this moment (except maybe LIH). In that sense I totally agree with SJ, and or others who think that way.
Something is likely to break before Xmas.
Personally, I hope they sign Holliday but for that to happen I think Damon has to be ready to move on. I hope he is either because he thinks the ship has indeed sailed with the Yanks (there’s some evidence), or because he has or may have other offers that will work.
I hope he doesn’t change his mind at the last moment.
We can and will match the Cards 5 year offer. Beat it if we need to.
Holliday wants to be a Yankee and we want him as well.
I dont believe the overall Budget is a Hard-capped one only a goal.
I think that Hal is not gonna override Cash if Cash thinks Holliday makes sense for the team. Why ? Because Cash is very smart and he has gained a great deal more credibility with Hal since his great move with Tex. Who was also over budget.
Of course the spending spree will have to stop somewhere but i dont think this is the time.
Net. Net. We are likely to get Holliday (At least i hope we do).
Hope that LIH gives another update today. That person seems connected. Knows more than any of us do.
Blake-
I agree if we dont get Holliday it is because Hal may have nixed it owing to the price being Too high.
Again, sorry for the long post.
How are the Sox trying to “scare” the Yankees into anteing up for Holliday by saying they are interested in him at a discount?
There is no chance he is taking a discount, so I don’t see how it is a scare tactic.
kind of off topic. But does anyone know the announcer to call Chris Chambliss’s homerun. I know Keith Jackson was one not sure who else was in on that call ??
I love the call and is my favorite call of all time ,, its just a little before my time
It wouldnt scare me as a gm if that meant having a couple of mediocre years after winning another two or three titles with these aging players. One title per one off year is fine by me…
Thanks, I totally agree!!! I think next year’s free agent class is much better than this year’s class. If the Yankees hold the line and are able to get 2 or 3 of the best guys from next year’s free agent class then it would be worth not winning the Series this year.
Here’s a question for the folks on the blog who are smarter than me. Do you think the mariners are:
A: trying to load up in order to take a shot at winning before they lose Felix or
B. Trying to build a team to win long term and hopefully keep Felix?
SJ, so it’s the $$ and not the length of the contract? You’re right, something has to give – I can’t imagine Cash and Hal wanting to wait much longer. If they sign Damon, you’re not worried about him holding up? He’s terrible in LF and he did fade badly. Also, if they sign Damon for 2 years…..then do they go after another FA LF in 2 years? That’s not very stable….though I guess every team has one position that is a revolving door.
Maine, no worries – I know you weren’t criticizing me and I don’t disagree with you. I just think the Yankees want to get something done sooner rather than later.
Steve –
The other voice you hear is Howard Cosell. There was a third person in the booth that night, but I can’t remember who it was – might have been Seaver – at that point they were using active players as the third person in the playoffs.
And Cosell stepped all over Jackson’s call. But then, I couldn’t stand Cosell because whenever he talked about Willie Randolph he had to say that “Willie never spikes a rally.” Then Willie would hit into a DP.
Vinny, I saw that a few weeks ago – it was a great special. I love it when MLB does shows on individual teams – it’s like a history lesson for me. There was a lot of tragedy on that team – Dravecky (though obviously he survived), Wiggins, Show.
“Here’s a question for the folks on the blog who are smarter than me.”
blake -
the first rule of the blog is no one is smarter than you.
LOL LOL ok Cool thanks Largo !!.. Man i love that call. i love how his voice cracks .. ( I know he kind of jumped Keith Jackson there..) but its still cool
I also LOVE the Charlie Steiner call on Boones shot !
Randy, haha, I know that’s not true.
I’ve seen a lot of people on here wanting to wait for Crawford to hit the market to bring in a left fielder. A couple of problem with that is that he’s going to want a lot of money…Holliday type money, and as outstanding as he is right now, I wouldn’t pay that kind of money for him.
When his speed goes, he’s not going to be all that great. speed is his biggest asset. He will have played almost 90 games a year on turf and his legs are going to get older than the rest of him. He takes a beating on those surfaces.
Stay away from “Glass stick” Johnson and sign Vlad!!!
By the time Jeter is 40, he will be at the end of his contract….we won’t have too many (if ANY) more years with him. Tex at 34 is not old……and I actually think he’ll be 33 (semantics, I know). 33/34 isn’t old – it’s not young, but it’s just not possible to field a team of all 20 year olds and be competitive.
Here’s a question for the folks on the blog who are smarter than me. Do you think the mariners are:
A: trying to load up in order to take a shot at winning before they lose Felix or
B. Trying to build a team to win long term and hopefully keep Felix?
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I don’t consider myself “smarter” than anyone but in my opinion it’s a little from column A and a little from column B.
I think they smell blood with the Angels and are trying to capitalize before Los Angels can retool their pitching staff. In an ideal situation they want to be able to challenge the Angels year in and year out but I think they’re fine with the idea of Cliff Lee being a rental if it means playoffs this year and then taking draft picks for him next year.
“4 years from now…
36 year old Burnett 16.5M
33 year old Holliday 18M-20M (if back loaded)
40 year old Jeter 17-20M
38 year old Arod 28M+
34 year old Tex 22M
^^^^ this doesn’t scare the crap out of you?”
Those 5 guys might scare the crap out of opponents for the next few years.
Nothing beats Bill White’s call on Bucky Dent’s HR…..
…except if Scooter did it instead.
Would’ve set a “Holy Cow” world record.
Burnett being the wild card of course … he does have that history of injuries.
GB7,
Would you then rather take a shot at Holliday and have the next 5 years in left field secured? Or are you not too high on him? He didnt start off that great in Oakland last year.
“I also LOVE the Charlie Steiner call on Boones shot !”
Being a bit older than you (I am assuming) and suffering from some of the problems of age – I was still in the bathroom for Boone’s homerun. I think they came back from commercial early that night.
Betsy -
I wouldn’t worry about Damon regarding LF. I think if the Yankees sign him you’ll see Johnny get a ton of time at DH with Melky in LF.
A lot of things can happen in two years:
Melky could develop into a steady player
Jesus Montero could be moved to the OF (though likely RF)
The Yankees could sign Damon for two years and then still ink Crawford next winter.
Stay away from “Glass stick” Johnson and sign Vlad!!!
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Can we have a pinch runner for Vlad from home plate? The guy makes Molina look fast.
The chances of Johnson staying healthy are slim. Damon will spend plenty of time at DH in that scenario.
Posada said today that he wants Damon back, as did A-Rod at CG’s press conference.
Damon is very popular in the clubhouse. He is also a team leader, as evident how he called out Hughes/Wang when they were struggling.
There is a reason Cashman wants him back so badly.
I find it amusing that some people are worried about Nick Johnson’s injury woes and in the same post advocate signing Ben Sheets or Vladamir Guererro.
Posada said today that he wants Damon back, as did A-Rod at CG’s press conference.
Damon is very popular in the clubhouse. He is also a team leader, as evident how he called out Hughes/Wang when they were struggling.
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Lance –
Tino Martinez was also a very popular guy in the clubhouse and a team leader. That didn’t stop the Yankees from moving on from him. For that matter it didn’t stop them from parting ways with Tino, Bernie, Cone….
from what i see, vlad has only missed significant time in a season twice, where johnson has been DLed every season he played.
S.o.S.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
GB7,
Would you then rather take a shot at Holliday and have the next 5 years in left field secured? Or are you not too high on him? He didnt start off that great in Oakland last year.
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I’d prefer Holliday over any outfielder that was on the market this year. I’m not that crazy about moving “center fielder” Jason Bay over to left field. As I said in the last post, Crawford’s almost 10 years on that turf would worry me considerably. I’d take Holliday, yes. By the time he enters the last year or so of his deal, move him to DH, if a better option comes along through the system.
I think that for the next few years, starting in 2011-12, you’ll see the Yanks less dependent of big money FAs, unless they fill a specific need that the farm hasn’t produced. They’ll always go for the kill, though, if it makes sense.
the reason i’m mostly sitting out the holliday speculation is that i just don’t think it’s necessary to lap the field. the yankees won by 8 games last year and won 103 games.
granderson in effect replaces damon and the only backsliding is that the yankees don’t have a dh at the moment .
signing holliday is to me overkill. would we really need to watch everyday if he’s in the lineup? i suppose checking to see if the yankees are up fifteen games yet might cross my mind from time to time.
why not go with granderson, swisher, melky , and gardner and see how that outfield develops?
why not focus on further developing hughes and joba and the other young pitchers in the pen?
improve a lot of smaller in house things seems more sporting than just signing holliday which seems to me over the top and really is just buying a championship.
with all the resources the yankees have surely they can improve in a myriad of ways within their system rather than just eating out all the time.
i say no to holliday.
Giambi was also a clubhouse favorite. So was Nieves. Im all for getting younger and not being stuck counting down the days that the old broken down players contract(Giambi,Bernie)is finally up. As iv said here before. Damon as a dh is fine by me. But only for 1 more year. His avg. dropped a bit this year which concerns me that it might be the start of a downward spiral.
Being a bit older than you (I am assuming) and suffering from some of the problems of age – I was still in the bathroom for Boone’s homerun. I think they came back from commercial early that night.
- Largo. lol lol its an awesome call !!
LoHudYankees Yanks are comfortable with Cervelli as backup C. They value a pitcher above of a bat right now, and are not opposed to a full time DH.
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then why didnt they sign matsui?
LoHudYankees Yanks are comfortable with Cervelli as backup C. They value a pitcher above of a bat right now, and are not opposed to a full time DH.
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then why didnt they sign matsui?
Montero is not going to play much outfield unless the rules allow him to wear a jetpack on his back. He doesn’t have that kind of footspeed.
from what i see, vlad has only missed significant time in a season twice, where johnson has been DLed every season he played.
Correct, but it’s the nature of the injuries that worry me about Vlad. Bad hamstrings, bad back, bad knees – those are old man injuries that don’t tend to improve with age. Nick Johnson has gotten hurt but it’s not like a broken leg is a chronic problem. You have it, you miss time, you rehab and you’re back. A balky back or bad knees are problems that can flare up at any time.
Sorry, I should have explained that better in my earlier post.
I’m not that crazy about moving “center fielder” Jason Bay over to left field.
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Sorry GB. You lost me at Hello. Bay from centerfield? Do you mean Melky?
I know you keep up with the minor leagues. Who do you see in the next few years making an impact on the big league team besides Montero? Positions they play?
Randy doesn’t like Holliday or anybody else that can hit a golfball better than him. That’s why he likes me. I’m the only one that he could beat on the links.
Deal speculation is a lot more fun this year with a recent World Series Win and a team that is stacked than it was last year.
Whatever they do this teaM WILL ROCK!
The other voice on the Cambliss pennant winning homer was not Seaver, but Reggie Jackson, who called the series with Keith Jackson and Howard Cosell.
AJ is fine – some of his injuries were flukish and he’s now had 2 years in a row of over 200 IP. He changed the way he prepares between games when he went to Toronto….IMO, he’s no different than any other pitcher now.
Chip, it’s not even just LF – he faded badly down the stretch last season; I’m not sure how much Damon has left offensively.
Randy,
Would you still think that way if the Sox picked up Gonzalez and Beltre?
Sign Randy Winn, then focus on pitching.
They may value a pitcher over a bat, but the one pitcher worth valuing (Sheets) is in no rush to sign and wants to work out for all teams.
So no harm in finishing the LF situation.
The Yanks this year took in over 100M more than their most optimistic predictions called for. The pie is growing at a rate that the payroll escalaltions can’t keep up with. That’s the beauty of the New Stadium, the unholy food alliance with the Cowboys, and YES.
They can give Holliday a 5 year deal if they think he’s as good as his numbers say he is. And they certainly wouldn’t let him go to the Red Sox.
The team will survive nicely without Damon. Of course they want him back, but these players are not thinking about the future of the organization. It’s easy for them to say they want Damon back – if they ever run a team in the future, they will see that it’s a lot more complicated.
Chip i agree. Cashman has also stated that he wanted to get younger. Hell, for all we know Vlad could be turning 42 this year.
S.o.S.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I’m not that crazy about moving “center fielder” Jason Bay over to left field.
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Sorry GB. You lost me at Hello. Bay from centerfield? Do you mean Melky?
I know you keep up with the minor leagues. Who do you see in the next few years making an impact on the big league team besides Montero? Positions they play?
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LMAO. Sorry, S.o.S. I thought you had read that was one of the things that the Mets liked about Bay. That he had played center field once..in 40 games. The last time was in 2005 for 30 games.
Randy, I don’t like Gardner at all and Melky is a 4th OF. I don’t see how getting Holliday means the Yanks lap the field – not even close. Their rotation as it stands isn’t even as good as the Sox.
Let’s be real… if Matsui went 0-4 in game 6 of the WS, or even 1-3 with 2 RBIs, this outcry to re-sign him would be reduced drasitcally.
From the looks of it, Cashman didn’t even want him back, and didn’t let one game sway his mind. That is a sign of a good GM. He made up his mind based on the entire body of work, not 1 game.
Matsui needed his knees drained twice a week. He can’t run anymore. Can’t play the field at all. He would be a waste of a roster spot, that can be assigned to a much younger, healthier, and more versatile player like Nick the Stick.
Chip, it’s not even just LF – he faded badly down the stretch last season; I’m not sure how much Damon has left offensively.
I understand where you’re coming from, but I think that if the Yankees signed him and primarily used him at DH it would keep him fresher at the plate as well. DHing 110 games a year would take a lot less out of him than playing the field.
That’s part of the reason for this whole “rotating DH” scenario – it’s not just the nagging injuries it’s just a way to give a guy a little time off during the season. Cashman and Girardi figure, given the ages of Derek, Jorge, and Alex, that the best thing for the team is to give them those half days off – day games after night games – middle of a long west coast swing…that sorta stuff.
•A-Rod very happily reported that he visited Dr. Philippon Mon. & learned he will 100% not need surgery. Won’t see Dr. again this offseason. 44 mins ago
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Very good news
Guerrero is 34 years old. His back is 44 years old and his legs are 54 years old.
Phil, I know we need to keep Holliday especially since they are a threat now (its been rumored that they would be interested for less money than the cards offered)
Well, you need someone to play left field, don’t you? There are really only 2 options, both Boras clients.
wOW GB my perception was that Vlad was 38ish – not 34ish.
How much does Holliday want per year?
Betsy,
I do agree with you that Damon is not the end all and be all.
If Damon walks then I agree with SJ44 that sometime between Christmas and New Year’s we’re going to hear about Holliday in pinstripes.
I’m actually smiling right now because Joe and Evan are talking about the possibility of Damon going to the Mets. I think it would be amusing to see the rage of Met fans if Damon’s in LF at Citi Field and Holliday is crushing balls out of Yankee Stadium.
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Buster Olney
Sources: The Orioles had brief contract talks with Matt Holliday 10 days ago, but they haven’t been active for awhile and are dormant now. 6 minutes ago
2 Tweets of interest from Sherman -
Joel Sherman
With budget/age in mind, #Yanks like idea of Granderson/Johnson for less $$ together in ’10 than $13M paid to each Matsui/Damon in ’09 5 minutes ago
Joel Sherman
Wrote this morning what #Yankees like about N.Johnson http://bit.ly/5gViyA and heard today talks are definitely ongoing/hot 10 minutes ago
Guerrero is 34 years old.
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Forget birth certificates. Can we just ask his mom?
also
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Joel Sherman
Heard #Mariners have interest in Damon as LF/DH option about a minute ago
SoS, Tom NJ, Betsy
wzup. Had stepped out. Yes the ’84 Padre team. Pasquel looked like a cartoon with the bat in his hand! And don’t know if i love any player like Tony Gwynn (except Rivera). Thankful for the MLB Network. I hope the level of the network maintains
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1. MO
2. Granderson
3. Girardi
Betsy
The RS offense as it stands now isn’t as good as the Yankees.
I heard Tim K this morning saying that the Cards were confident that their offer was the best Holliday would see. He said that it was for 5/80. Maybe the reports we saw earlier of 8 years were incorrect, or 3 years were options.
If that is true, with Holliday being a near ideal fit for the Yankees in left and batting 5th; I can’t see them letting him get away if all they have to do is offer 5/81.
Tim Brown has been really the only legit media member who has connected us to Holliday.
He did so last week as well, but as usual, the usual suspects shot him down and said he isn’t credible.
GreenBeret7
December 17th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Guerrero is 34 years old. His back is 44 years old and his legs are 54 years old.
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See this is something you and I can agree upon.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 17th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
wOW GB my perception was that Vlad was 38ish – not 34ish.
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Yeah, he’ll be 35 in February. Seems like he’s been around forever, though. Came up a year after Pettitte. Hard to believe that he’s a year younger than Jeter. He seems so much older.
Interesting quote from Cash -
Ken Davidoff
Cashman says the potential of next year’s free-agent class is “incredibly more impressive than this one.” #Yankees 4 minutes ago
yankswin27
December 17th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
READ THIS EVERYONE:
http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/6770397151
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Interesting
the only way i see johnson fitting here is as the #2 hitter, because of his On Base percentage (a lot of walks).
i still think injuries are an issue with him, and the fact he can only play 1b/dh, and we already have swisher who can do that AND play the outfield.
I trust whatever cashman does but if he just wanted a dh, matsui should have been resigned.
That East Coast team could perhaps be the Mets.
It could also be Boras blowing smoke.
“He seems so much older” he sure does
btw: the Goose Gossage line at the end of the documentary is priceless. He calls up Dick Williams, the wife answers: “Hi, this is the guy who shouldn’t have pitched to Gibson”. Hi goose…
I know Vlad’s bio says 34, but there is no way. He has to be at least 37.
The only way he is 34 is if he is counting in El Duque years.
jeter/johnson at the top both with 400 OBPs, including a-rod 4th who also puts up around a 400 OBP annually could mean a lot of runs for tex, alex, granderson, etc…
Joel Sherman
Heard #Mariners have interest in Damon as LF/DH option about a minute ago
Makes absolutely no sense. They have Ichiro and Figgins at the top of their lineup, they need run producers not more leadoff hitters. They should be making a play for Bay/Holliday
Mark in Tampa
December 17th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I know Vlad’s bio says 34, but there is no way. He has to be at least 37.
The only way he is 34 is if he is counting in El Duque years.
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That Montreal turf just killed him. Like Dawson, his career should have been so much better. I feel that this is what will happen with Crawford.
“My 3 favorite Yankees
1. MO
2. Granderson
3. Girardi”
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Clint: you have good taste. A Copy/paste for me
I really want to know who else cashman will get to pitch for us this year.
Sheets and Duschererererererer are the most talked about.
Damon batting behind Figgins, with Ichiro third.
Ken Davidoff
Cashman says the potential of next year’s free-agent class is “incredibly more impressive than this one.” #Yankees 4 minutes ago
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Man that Stealth never quits.
Crosby in center
Swisher at first
Now this.
My national treasure decoding book tells me that this means that every Yankee fan is going to have a special HOLLIDAY gift under your tree this Christmas.
I’m very skeptical about the Holliday deal going down.
Especially now with the Nick Johnson chatter.
I see Melky in LF.
Then spend the remainder on a starter and the pen.
So Curtis Granderson will be the new # 5 hitter ????
Oddessy,
Translation… we are not entering another long term deal and taking ourselves out of the Mauher, Lee, Webb, Beckett, Crawford 2010 free agent market
Mauer’s not gonna be a FA.
Mark in Tampa
December 17th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I know Vlad’s bio says 34, but there is no way. He has to be at least 37.
The only way he is 34 is if he is counting in El Duque years.
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El Duque taught Satchel Paige everything there was to know about pitching, back when Paige was just a kid.
lee and webb will certainly be on the radar next year. but lee somehow things he deserves cc money. so more likely they will go after webb if he stays healthy.
hopefully by the end of 2010, more of OUR pitchers will be ready.
Ya know…I think I am ready to say fairwell to Damon. I don’t like the talk of “don’t bother calling if you don’t offer “X” salary. It was fun while it lasted Johnny but I think you need to go to someone who is willing to overvalue you.
My new plan: Nick Johnson and Mark Derosa. Two decent bats with super flexibility in Derosa. And we could probably get them both for cheaper than Holliday without the long term commitment.
Thats it. That and probably another arm but as far as the lineup goes I’m all for those two. It gives us an extra everything in Derosa who has a decent bat and a OB machine in Johnson who would be a GREAT addition to this line up.
Jeter
Johnson
Tex
Arod
Posada
Granderson
Cano
Swisher
Melky/Derosa
Awesome.
Yeah Damon have fun in Seattle .. ughhhhhh
Phil,
Until he’s signed, I view him as free agent in 2010.
Dutchester is a reliever. He has not pitched more than 141 innings as a starter in his career and he got hurt doing so…..
Lee won’t get CC money, but he’ll get more than AJ and Lackey.
I was wondering when Boras was going to put up his mystery team on the news. The payroll is going to be pushed to about 250 million a year if they want to add Mauer or Cliff Lee. Are they going to do that? As of now if they sign Holliday to 20 million a year its going to reach close to 200 million. Jeter’s and Rivera’s contract is up next year. Do you think Jeter is going to take a discount knowing that Arod is making 30 million a year? Or Rivera taking less money?
And we could probably get them both for cheaper than Holliday without the long term commitment.
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probably? that is 100% fact.
but i dont see them getting deRosa if they get johnson.
Whats Plan B if Damon goes. Seems like he’s ready to Bolt .
Maybe some Vlad , Thome or Dye !
Great news on Alex – he went to CO, saw Dr. Phillipon and apparently his hip is healed completely and he doesn’t need another surgery
Per Michael Kay, Hal said there’s a budget and once he sets it, he won’t go over it…….but that the Yankees aren’t done. “You can’t have everybody, that’s for sure” – those are his exact words
if we get nick johnson, that counts as another homegrown player right? take that everyone who says we only buy other peoples best players!!!
Yeah… Crawford will be a FA next yr, but he is not as good as Holliday and will not be as good as an investment.
Werth is a product of Philly. Dunn is more of DH for us.
Don’t think there is anyone good on the 2011 class, as far as outfielders.
Sign Holliday now rather than signing a broken down Damon, and needing to replace him in 2 yrs with inferior players,,,
Nick D.,
I’m perfectly fine with that 180+ hr lineup.
I was wondering when Boras was going to put up his mystery team on the news. The payroll is going to be pushed to about 250 million a year if they want to add Mauer or Cliff Lee. Are they going to do that? As of now if they sign Holliday to 20 million a year its going to reach close to 200 million. Jeter’s and Rivera’s contract is up next year. Do you think Jeter is going to take a discount knowing that Arod is making 30 million a year? Or Rivera taking less money?
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remember pettitte most likely will retire after 2010. or not. But they would only go for Lee if pettitte left. If lee gets 18-19 m, thats only 7-8 mil increase from pettitte. a lot, but wont jump the payroll way up.
probably? that is 100% fact.
but i dont see them getting deRosa if they get johnson.
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Haha…right…wrong choice of words on my part.
But why don’t you seem them getting both? I think that makes perfect sense. Johnson gives them the DH they want and they can afford to get him with minimal expectation to play the field if they land Derosa as well.
If the Yankees closed up this off season with like Derosa, Johnson and any of those various pitchers (although I’m starting to be sold more and more on just letting joba and hughes loose in the rotation) I would be so excited for next season!
Cashman had to go overbudget last year to sign Teixeria and told Hal that there was no one on the market in the next 2 years who is as good as him and he could change the balance of power in the AL East.
Now what is Cashman going to tell Hal? We need him and there is no one on the market as good as (Holliday) in the next 2 years? Isn’t that what he said with Teixeira?
Damon at CitiField? Not good…….he wouldn’t be able to DH and the place is huge; that makes no sense
Interesting indeed from Joel, but who plays LF if they are that concerned about budget? Melky? That would be a much weaker offensive team. I would NOT like that at all
I’m sure Cash is correct, but you can not count on Mauer becoming a FA…..Lee? Ok. Beckett? I don’t want him. Webb? Is he even healthy? He’d probably re-sign with AZ anyway
Yeah if it’s Nick johnson and done with the offense?
Who the # 5 hitter will be is good question.
GTLU should be interesting.
i personally do not see any harm in signing “jolly ol” saint nick johnson. bring him back for one year and let him hit second. Jeter and him will be on base all the time.
nick, just from what cash says, more money may go into the starter than 8-10 mil to derosa and 5-7 mil to johnson. just a guess but obviously i have a 50/50 chance to be wrong.
How many homers would Dunn have if he played half his games at Yankee Stadium?
40
50
60?
“So Curtis Granderson will be the new # 5 hitter ????”
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why not Posada?
If we do not sign Holliday to a big contract, its because that money/big contract will be for what free agent next year? I’m thinking Mauer.
christina25
December 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I was wondering when Boras was going to put up his mystery team on the news. The payroll is going to be pushed to about 250 million a year if they want to add Mauer or Cliff Lee. Are they going to do that? As of now if they sign Holliday to 20 million a year its going to reach close to 200 million. Jeter’s and Rivera’s contract is up next year. Do you think Jeter is going to take a discount knowing that Arod is making 30 million a year? Or Rivera taking less money?
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So will Boston’s, as long as they keep paying other teams to take their shortstops and third basemen. Shouldn’t you be at your house farm, cleaning out your outside crapper and slopping the hogs?
The guys on WFAN are postulating the following question:
If the Yankees are willing to take a risk with Nick Johnson’s health at DH – why not bring in Carlos Delgado?
I know the answer – which is that the Yankees would consider Johnson a great fit in the 2 spot of the batting order – but that aside, if Delgado’s healthy, I have to agree with them that his power potential in the Yankee lineup, in Yankee Stadium is off the charts.
If the yankees do sign sheets, the yankees still need to find a way to get hughies innings up. joba will start over phil, because anything else would be a huge setback and he is finally off his limits..
nick, just from what cash says, more money may go into the starter than 8-10 mil to derosa and 5-7 mil to johnson. just a guess but obviously i have a 50/50 chance to be wrong.
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I have a feeling there is enough left in the Yanks budget for those 3 guys (Johnson, Derosa, Mystery Pitcher). None of them break the bank. We wouldn’t be going over (if we do) for more than a couple mil.
Plus, if they are short term deals there will be room for guys like Jeter and Mo next year.
We really can’t take on a Holliday deak with the tsunami of spending that needs to happen next year to keep the core in tact. It really just needs to be small parts now.
I say Nay to Damon and Holliday.
“Translation… we are not entering another long term deal and taking ourselves out of the Mauher, Lee, Webb, Beckett, Crawford 2010 free agent market”
I’ll buy that but can we eliminate the Beckett market?
I mean even if he wasn’t the biggest Ahole in baseball I still don’t think he’s worthy of a big contract.
Betsy,
Webb will have all season to show he’s healthy, and why would he sign with AZ <80M if he has a huge season?
Granderson is a 6th hitter.
Put him in RBI positions in front of Tex/ARod/Jorge (and hopefully Holliday).
And have him on base for a guy like Cano or Swisher who you can hit and run and stuff with. I don’t think Girardi would go Gandy and Cano back-to-back, to Swish would probably hit 7th.
Delgado is off major surgery. Johnson is just ‘injury prone’, and even that is bunk. He is just a slow healer.
Johnson has a better OBP and no split. Delgado is worse vs lefties.
If the Yanks sign Nick, I hope they sign someone like Nady just to give us a solid righty OF we could play for Granderson when facing a lefty if it turns out CG doesn’t hit them this year.
With Atkins signing with Baltimore how about Ty Wigginton as part of the DH/Bench equation.
He’s good, versatile, has played in NYC and generally hammers lefties (.840 OPS). Shouldn’t cost more than a second tier prospect should he?
Bronx Jeers,
Ok take out Beckett and put in Werth
I keep reading about the loss of power in our lineup with Matsui and Damon gone. We had 62 combined homers from Melky,Sui and Damon last year. This year we so far have 43 assuming Melky replaces Damon and Granderson replaced Melk in center. That leaves us 19 homers behind. Do you honestly think whatever dh we pick up or if Miranda is dh, we wont get that? Melky had a .274 avg. While Damon had .282. Your assuming Damon stays consistant and Melky doesnt progress. Its really not as bad as some might think.
With all that said bring on HOLLIDAY!!
Tex’s friend,
Okay lets say that Cliff Lee will take 18 to 19 million a year. So you add 8 million to 200 million. Then how much are they going to bid on Mauer? You can say that Mauer will get at least 25 to 30 million a year. If the Yankees get Mauer is will push the payroll it would push it close to 235 million and that doesnt include a 4 pitcher.
Everyone seems to think the Yankees print money. While they may bring in more revenue than all other teams they still do have expenses.
Does anyone here have an idea what the annual debt service is on $1.6 billion? I’ll give you a hint: It’s a nine digit number – before the decimal point.
Yes, they can and should have a budget, and what may seem like only 10 or 20 million annually can make a big difference when figuring overall financial projections.
The Red Sox will have a lot of contracts coming off the books next year. 12.5 million from Lowell, 13 million from Ortiz, 8 million from Martinez, 12 million from Beckett, 9 million from Lugo 3 million from Varitek. they can add Mauer and another front line pitcher.
“Randy, I don’t like Gardner at all and Melky is a 4th OF.”
yeah, that didn’t work well last year. plus it really cost a lot.
” I don’t see how getting Holliday means the Yanks lap the field – not even close.”
they won by 8 games over a red sox team that has replaced jason bay with an aging journeyman cameron. ortiz is in severe decline.lowell is likely gone.
Their rotation as it stands isn’t even as good as the Sox.”
lackey has averaged 170 innings the past two years. matsuzaka is up in the air. wakefield got old fast. their bullpen has lost some people.
hughes and joba are one year older. burnett has settled into the yankees rotation. pettitte back. i don’t see the worry.
all in all i really think if the yankees take care of business in the sense of doing all the small things that give incremental improvement like teaching gardner to bunt or long working on granderson’s hitting against lefties, they will still win over 100 games.
of course , improving by improving what you have is kind of boring on a blog.
i get it that a holliday signing is much more fun to talk about. i just think that the yankees have the ability to improve a lot from within and don’t need holliday at all.
I can see both Gaudin and Gardner traded. However, I don’t see Miranda on this team. I’d much rather have Nady for 2 mil and trade Miranda. Jorge Vazquez is waiting in the minors as well – not much need for Miranda
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a LH power hitter make more sense for the Yanks considering the ballpark in the BX than a rh power hitter….not hard to understand right….Miranda provides a better hitter option for the Yanks than Nady coming off elbow surgery. At least try to learn a little about Miranda before you post a “thought” or “idea”….please!
Nady is also going to want to hook up with a team that will offer him the chance to play regularly in an attempt to reestablish his value and land a real $ deal. I think maybe he signs with the Braves and trys to win an everyday OF jon with them as opposed to being a bench part timer on the Yanks.
Chip
I’ve been saying for 2months now on here that I’d be very interested in Delgado if I’m looking for a DH bat in the FA market to hit in the 5 hole. If he’s healthy he’ll def be motivated as he is essentially a walk year player and his power would be tremendous in our park…
Jeet
Grandy
Tex
ARod
Delgado
Posada
Cano
Swish
Melk