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Rivera named Pro Athlete of the Year

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 18, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the press release from The Sporting News:

Rivera cover

Record-setting closer Mariano Rivera, who helped lead the New York Yankees to their 27th World Series championship, is Sporting News’ 2009 Pro Athlete of the Year.

It’s the fourth such honor for the Yankees since Sporting News began handing out a year-end award In 1968. Rivera joins Ron Guidry (1978 winner) and Joe Torre (1996) as individual winners. The Yankees were honored as a team in 1999.

Rivera in 2009 became the second MLB pitcher to save 500 games, converted a personal-best 36 consecutive save opportunities and continued his postseason dominance. With five saves and one run allowed in 16 innings in the playoffs, he improved his postseason records for both saves (39) and ERA (0.74).

Rivera graces the cover of the new Sporting News Magazine. The 12/21 issue includes a Sporting News Conversation with the five-time World Series champion, conducted on a December morning in the kitchen of Rivera’s new suburban New York home.

Excerpts from Steve Greenberg’s interview with Rivera:

Rivera on continuing to pitch at age 40: “The minute I know that I don’t have it, I hang it up right there.”

Rivera on pitching for another team: “With all the respect that all the organizations deserve, it would be hard for me to consider playing for another team. If the opportunities are there, then you don’t know. But I believe the Lord has blessed me with the opportunity to play for one team.”

Rivera on pursuing the all-time saves record: “You know what? I’m OK with whatever happens. I’m not a guy who goes looking for numbers or chasing records.”

Rivera on one day losing his ability to throw the cutter: “I didn’t learn it by somebody teaching me. It came by the Lord. So it’s not within myself to lose it or keep it. It will be the Lord to decide when to take it away.”

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349 Responses to “Rivera named Pro Athlete of the Year”

  1. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 8:34 am

    -5 windchill today. No wonder it was cold in the night : )

  2. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 8:35 am

    the perfect selection (Rivera). He is Babe Ruth circa 2009

  3. Crawdaddy December 18th, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Nick Johnson is a homegrown Yankee and he won’t have any problems fitting in this clubhouse. After watching Granderson yesterday, one thing is clear and that is he’s a nice person and is very well spoken. I see no problems with him either.

  4. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    Congrats to Mo!! What a great cover for that magazine. :D

  5. JK December 18th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Repost:

    I really think the Yankees didn’t want to be disrespectful to Matsui and knew how loudly their actions would play in Japan if it was perceived that way. They were very careful to never mention concerns about his health or degrade his defensive ability in the press, and gave the appearance that they were still interested.

    The bottom line…

    They thought he didn’t live up to his contract from 2006-2008 and his 2009 season was a miracle. They let him sign elsewhere before they moved on 3 days later & replaced him.

  6. Laura December 18th, 2009 at 8:39 am

    All I have to say is Thank You, God for making Mariano Rivera a Yankee!

  7. Crawdaddy December 18th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    “I really think the Yankees didn’t want to be disrespectful to Matsui and knew how loudly their actions would play in Japan if it was perceived that way. They were very careful to never mention concerns about his health or degrade his defensive ability in the press, and gave the appearance that they were still interested.”

    I don’t think Cashman disrespected Matsui, but he publicly made it very clear that he viewed Matsui as strictly a DH that can’t play the outfield any longer.

  8. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    “People are worried about the chemistry? Seriously? You must have no faith in the basic decency of our players if you think they aren’t going to welcome any new players (even those replacing Damon and Matsui) with open arms”
    ————————————————–

    now if Swisher was traded, i would be concerned (chemistry). Swisher is chemistry in a bottle

  9. Arno December 18th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.

  10. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    (repeat from previous thread)

    “I think some of you need to give Cashman the benefit of the doubt that he understands the condition of Matsui’s knees better than you. Anyhow, the proof will be in the pudding when we see how well and often Nick and Matsui play next season.”

    Craw, spot on. I was someone who unequivocally wanted Matsui back in pinstripes. However, I also realize that the Yankees goal is to win the world series and if they feel that for some reason the way to go is to let Sui go somewhere else, they are obviously onto something that we are not. They are not a stupid organization and actually know a lot more than some fans give them credit for knowing! As I said before, fans need to learn that most of their wounds are self inflicted when they make decisions about who they want – and it doesn’t go their way!!!

    I’d love to see Damon on another team – but if the Yankees bring him back, then I’ll welcome him with open arms. After all I’ll let everyone in on a little secret. The team that won the world series last year was hand-picked by the Yankees. I had nothing to do with it. So I’m thinking they probably have a good handle on how to pick players.

    :)

  11. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there”
    ——————————————
    deal with it.

  12. Crawdaddy December 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”

    As long as he’s not trying to convert you, why do you care? His relationship with the Lord is between them.

  13. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”

    And he couldn’t be too religious for my liking. :) I guess that’s why they make so many flavors of ice cream, if you know what I mean.

  14. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    I have been a total hit and run poster this off season and so only get to see a smattering of posts. But I have to say that I like the new and improved Betsy that I saw in the last thread. May it continue!

  15. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    Betsy’s got her groove back.

  16. Josh in DC December 18th, 2009 at 8:51 am

    You forgot about his first career RBI!

  17. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    “I have been a total hit and run poster this off season and so only get to see a smattering of posts. But I have to say that I like the new and improved Betsy that I saw in the last thread. May it continue”
    ——————————————

    i second that

  18. Count of Montefusco December 18th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Whoops, reposted from last thread:

    I understand the sentiment re: Damon & Matsui, so close on the heels of their WS heroics.

    But you guys are insane if you don’t think the Yankees didn’t just get better by swapping those two out for Granderson and Nick the Stick. Younger (15 years combined!), better defensively by far, and cheaper to boot.

    It will be fun going through these posts in August when Nick’s OBP is .440 and ARod is on pace to break Hack Wilson’s RBI record…

    GO CASH!

  19. moisesfrompanama December 18th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Mariano, our congratulations for a great honor to be the 2009 TYIB Award. Nuestras mas sinceras felicitaciones al Panamanian Sensational, Mariano Rivera, from La Chorrera, Panama. Mo, you are the best of the best.

    Moises from Panama

  20. Hoffa December 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”

  21. Rich in NJ December 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    If you would have told me that Mo would be the best closer in the history of MLB after his debut as a starter v. Oakland on 5/23/95, I wouldn’t have believed it.

    It proves that patience with prospects can pay big dividends.

  22. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    For the believers among you.

    Tick Tock. Tick Tock. Scott. And Matt.

    Nice try. “Who’s your daddy ?, Scott ”

    Play fair and accept the inevitable.

    It’s what’s best for everyone concerned.

    If it walks like a duck …… Just accept it so everyone
    can enjoy there Xmas and be content. Except of course the Cardinals. They’re gonna feel like the Sox did last year.
    Too bad. I like the Cards much better.

    Final:

    5/6 x 17/18. No biggie. Just ask Hal.

    Resistance is futile. Gravity overtakes all.

  23. upstate kate December 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Congrats to Mo, what a treasure he is…and so humble. Finally saw the Granderson presser last night. He seems like he will be a great clubhouse guy, along the lines of CC and Tex.

    Chad, Sam and Josh- what a great job you guys are doing, amazing amount of comments on each article posted- keep up the good work!

  24. Hoffa December 18th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”

    _____

    Rivera has as much right to express his views on religion as you have to express yours.

  25. bdog375 December 18th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    It is terrible seeing Matsui go, but Johnson is more in line with Cashman’s idea of a DH. Yes, he does not play a slew of positions, but he plays one position and that is more than Matsui does. He is about 5 years younger than Matsui. I think that Matsui’s bat speed was really slowing down recently. Johnson has the same advantage as Matsui in that he lets lefties extremely well. Finally, we know that Johnson can handle playing in the Bronx b/c he has been there, done that.

  26. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Cash is so smart. He knows how to use his tools. He knows that you dont use a piledriver to hammer in a nail but he also understands the power of leverage and patience. The yankees are like a Black hole and with their gravity things in their part of the universe get drawn in with or without their full control. one of the law’s of the Baseball Universe is the Yankees are gonna getcha if they wantcha. Like it or not.

  27. Jeff Wildfogel December 18th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Given Mariano’s beliefs, I hope that Mariano ends up believing that the Lord wants him to keep throwing an effective cutter until at least age 50. :-)

  28. Bronx Jeers December 18th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Rivera on one day losing his ability to throw the cutter: “I didn’t learn it by somebody teaching me. It came by the Lord. So it’s not within myself to lose it or keep it. It will be the Lord to decide when to take it away.”

    —————————————————————

    I’m not a religious man at all but I may just have to start praying for the Lord to let Mo keep his cutter.

  29. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    I posted this yesterday, Chad you slacker,lol – just kidding!

    http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/arti…yankees-closer

    This is my fav quote:

    On what his presence and disposition do for the Yankees, a team captained by Derek Jeter: I think you’re asking the wrong man the wrong question. I will never talk about myself in terms of what I have done for the team. I don’t even think about it. I just try to help my teammates as much as I can. I don’t care if they don’t give me credit. As long as we win, as long as what I did helped them to be better, that makes me happy.

  30. Andrew December 18th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Never thought Nick the Stick would be back in Pinstripes. Hopefully the same magic that kept Matsui healthy for almost all of 2009 can get Johnson to the plate 500+ times in 2010. The Yankees lineup remains scary even in light of the departures of Matsui and Damon. The power is not exactly duplicated, but Nick will yank homers to right, maybe not with the frequency of JD. He adds a dimension of patience that, if he, Teixeira, A-Rod and Posada bat in succession, a pitcher will throw a TON of pitches trying to maneuver through that group in the middle of the lineup.

    I think Cashman now waits and sees if Matt Holliday’s price comes far enough down for it to make sense, but if not, goes to spring training with Melky in LF, which seems perfectly fine. If all else fails with the offense, I think there will be outfielders available in June and July that could step in pick up some production.The main focus now shifts to pitching, presumably another starter. I am hoping Ben Sheets at the right price & years.

  31. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    As to Damon, I’m sorry he’s gone, but he chose this route. The Yankees clearly wanted him back, but he always knew that he was going to compromise. If he comes crawling back, I suppose it’s possible that he re-signs, but I don’t see that happening at all

  32. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    From Olney:
    Quote:
    The Yankees, frustrated in their attempts to re-sign Johnny Damon, are on the verge of reaching an agreement on a one-year deal with Nick Johnson, sources said.

    Johnson, who was drafted and developed by the Yankees, will presumably serve as the team’s designated hitter and No. 2 hitter. Johnson’s career has been filled with injury, he doesn’t hit for a lot of power, and his defense at first base has been viewed by scouts as regressing. But when he plays, he consistently gets on base. Among current free agents, Johnson had the highest on-base percentage in 2009, at .426 with the Nationals and Marlins.

    This likely means the end of Damon’s tenure with the Yankees. Damon signed a four-year, $52 million deal with the Yankees prior to the 2006 season and took advantage of the Yankees’ new ballpark to have a strong 2009 season.

    The Yankees have hoped to sign Damon to a two-year deal in the range of $18 million, but the team was told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer at least $13 million a year — the outfielder’s salary in 2009 — in a multi-year deal, the Yankees shouldn’t even bother making an offer.
    Another concern within the organization was that even if Damon were to agree to the team’s terms, he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

  33. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    So, wait a minute, is the Johnson deal done? The last I heard they were “close” to a deal

  34. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    One last point.

    This is for you Matt.

    Don’t blow this by being greedy.

    You KNOW you always wanted to be a Yankee.

    You can make your self richer, and put a permanent smile on your father’s face, and you can play for the best franchise in all of baseball.

    DONT blow it. The yankees will treat you right. Move forward
    you will never regret it. Yankee fans love great players and treat them right(most of the time). Tick Tock Matt. Nothing lasts forever.

  35. E-gawa December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    This isn’t about putting the better team on the field. This is about cutting cost.

    Newsflash to the little Steinbrenners, 2009 means nothing in 2010.

  36. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Thanks Betsy, the Olney article answered my question. lol

  37. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Here are a few items to kick off the day:

    In case you missed it, the Yankees and Nick Johnson have agreed to a one-year deal worth $5.5M.

    Johnson chose the Yankees over playing first base in SF or Seattle because he loved his time in NYC.

    According to Mark Feinsand’s sources, the Yankees let Matsui leave because of the condition of his knees.

    Unless Johnny Damon is suddenly open to a very cheap deal, his tenure with the Yankees is likely over.

    This will surely upset some of the current Yanks, as many of them lobbied for the team to resign him.

    Another one of Mark Feinsand’s sources noted that Damon’s likeliest destination is now the Giants.

    Given the way the Yankees are operating this winter, it is clear they’re trying to stick to a budget.

    http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=13442

    ***********

    I have no problem with the players being sad about Damon’s departure – it’s only natural. However, I doubt they’ll be upset with Cash – and if they are, they need to get over it. He has the future of an organization to think about, they just have to think about themselves (not that that’s a bad thing).

  38. E-gawa December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Re: Nick Johnson*

  39. Bill Porter December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Rivera on one day losing his ability to throw the cutter: “I didn’t learn it by somebody teaching me. It came by the Lord. So it’s not within myself to lose it or keep it. It will be the Lord to decide when to take it away.”

    I’m not religious either but I’m headed out to light a candle right now!

  40. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! December 18th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    I don’t think this matters much, but I had a dream last night the Yankees signed Holliday

  41. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Well deserved award for Mo. He’s not only as dominant a player as has ever played the game, but he’s one of the truly good guys in this sport and a credit to the New York Yankees, and the game of baseball as a whole.

    Onto Nick Johnson. I know there are a lot of people who are wondering “if you’re going to bring in Johnson why didn’t they just keep Matsui?” It’s a legitimate question and there are only three answers I can come up with:

    1. The Yankees had always determined that they were going to bring back Damon or Matsui but not both with the preference being Damon because he can play the field. They never anticipated this much of a problem getting Damon signed. When the Angels made their offer to Matsui the Yankees fully expected to bring Johnny back and so it wasn’t a big deal. Now that Damon’s made it clear he’s not coming back on the Yankees’s terms they are forced to go with Plan C.

    2. With Damon not coming back the Yankees have a pressing need for a solid Number 2 hitter. Granderson doesn’t truly fit that mold so they had to look elsewhere. Nick Johnson’s selectivity and OBP make him an ideal fit in the lineup.

    3. With such a lot of years tied up for Tex the Yankees may seek to protect their investment by DHing him a bit more often.

  42. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    rivera is worth every penny.

  43. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Erica-

    I dont think you were dreaming. I only think you thought you were.

  44. charlestonchew December 18th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Now that we know where he gets his cutter..

    Dear Lord:

    Please, Lord, for the love of yourself, do not take away Rivera’s cutter for at least 2-3 years.

    Thanks.

    One of your many sons,

    Charlestonchew

  45. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    JK, Cash loved Matsui….and that’s the hardest part of sports. You can love a player and yet know when it’s time to let go. How can anyone not love Matsui? He will always be a Yankee no matter where he finishes his career. I hope he doesn’t have hard feelings towards the team, because this was not anything personal against him.

    Hi Trish! LOL, me too! Monday threw me for a loop, I admit. Whatever I said, I have always been a Cashman supporter, I’ve always defended him. Most of my comments a few days ago were borne of sheer frustation. Next time I get like that, I’ll punch a pillow. Also, I absolutely HATE hearing negative things about the Yankees, lol – esp. in terms of the Sox. It’s ok for me to criticize them, but if the national (or local) media does, I’m a tiger, lol

  46. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Dear lord:

    Please let all of the parties involved in the Holliday negotiations see what you have laid out before them, and to accept their failings while at the same time accepting the wisdom of following the path you have laid down before them.

    Make them see the light.

  47. Andrew December 18th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Chip I think #3 is not really in play here. Teixeira is not going to DH more until much later in his contract. I think your 2nd point is the biggest reason why they chose Johnson. They probably knew he would take a 1 year deal at very little money (for the Yankees), and also know his presence at the plate makes perfect sense as a #2 hitter in this lineup. Plus he’s tested in NYC and he will probably hit for more power than he has in recent years, and it’s less of a health gamble (although unavoidably, it is a health gamble just because of the quantity of injuries he’s suffered in his career) than signing him to play first.

    And for Johnson, if he has a great year (healthy, productive) in 2010, he will be 32 and a prime target for a team looking for a first baseman/DH in 2011, so the career move makes sense for him as well.

  48. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    What was wrong with Nick’s wrist in 2008 that he had surgery? I know he always had issues with it when he was on the Yankees previously….

    I think it’s so nice that Nick remembered his time here so fondly; I wonder if he spoke to his uncle given that things have changed so much since he was here (when was the trade again?)….

    Words can’t describe how I feel about Mo. He’s a cross between Yogi, a teddy bear and a lion. When he retires, baseball will be the poorer – but I hope he stays in the game (I’m sure he’ll be a pitching coach or guru with the Yanks) as he’s the best ambassador for the sport possible.

  49. sunny615 December 18th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    If Damon would just cave on his $13 mil per demand, he’d be a Yankee again. And I can guarantee that wherever else Damon signs, he won’t be getting $13 mil. So why not just suck it up and play for the team that you enjoyed the most instead of somewhere else?? I just don’t get it…

  50. John in Ohio December 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Off topic question for discussion…..

    How in God’s name is Mike Lupica still employed?

  51. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    John in Ohio
    December 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am
    Off topic question for discussion…..

    How in God’s name is Mike Lupica still employed?

    **********************
    Excellent question. I wish I had an answer for you. ;)

  52. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    New game :

    It’s called find the missing puzzle piece.

    What’s missing from the line up below :

    Jeter
    NJ
    Tex
    Arod
    ?
    Grandy
    Posada
    Cano
    Swish

    Hint:

    His name is synonomous with the word “vacation “.

  53. YanksRule December 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”

    I would say he’s giving credit where credit’s due. We’re all entitled to our views. How else can you explain his otherworldly success? :)

  54. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    “If Damon would just cave on his $13 mil per demand, he’d be a Yankee again”
    ——————————————-

    not happening. Damon is done as a yankee

  55. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Sunny-
    And if pigs were meant to fly they would have had wings.

  56. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Off topic:

    Does anyone know what happened with Jeter and SNL? He was supposed to host tomorrow, and now I see that James Franco is hosting. Just wondering if the date got pushed back or something.

  57. charlestonchew December 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I don’t think Damon is coming back for the same reason Torre didn’t come back: the pay cut. He’ll go make less somewhere else, but won’t take the slap in the face from the Yanks. I don’t consider it one, but I can certainly see how he might.

    He was worth every one of the 13 million dollars he earned last year.

  58. Grrrrrrrrreat Caesars Ghost December 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I wonder if Mo can transfer his God given talent to the next Yankee closer when the time comes by a laying on of hands.

  59. m December 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Congrats to Mo!

    Challenge: You can only add 1 more “big” player. Do you sign a LF or a SP? Your budget is $12M tops. Who do you choose?

  60. Thom December 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    I saw that Lupica article in NYdaily news John in Ohio and refused to read it. Anyway, I say Congrats MO ! Honor well deserved. Also, Hal is just like his father and even talks like him. Go get them Hal ! Lets get Holladay and worry about the free agents next year.

  61. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    M-
    I dont accept your premise.

  62. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    For the Holliday group.

    I wouldn’t get your hopes up too much. Melky’s going to make $3 mil this year, that’s a lot of money to pay a guy to sit on the bench.

    Unless either Melky or Swisher are traded I don’t see the Yankees making any more moves to the offense after they sign Johnson.

    Probable lineup:

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    Alex
    Granderson
    Hor-Hay
    Cano
    Swisher
    Melky

  63. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    “He was worth every one of the 13 million dollars he earned last year”
    ————————————————-

    imagine someone offering you 2 years/20 million. The nerve.

  64. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Regarding Lupica -

    Let the Met fan keep writing whatever he wants. We all know why he does it, he takes shots at the Yankees because his own team isn’t relevant anymore.

  65. m December 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Erin,

    LOL. I just asked my daughter the other day if Jeter was hosting SNL and she said no, the guy from Spiderman. So, I’m all, “Tobey McGwire?” And she says “no, the other one”. At least she didn’t say the one from Pineapple Express. :P

    I think it’s a rerun. When i heard it was Jeter, I thought it was odd that they’re still running new episodes.

  66. John in Ohio December 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    It’s just unbelievable to me that Lupica and John Sterling are employed on such a stage as New York City.

    They are both simply horrible. Seriously, we have much better talent here, in little Toledo, Ohio.

  67. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Vinny-
    Imagine someone thinking you are not worth as much as YOu think you are – The nerve!

  68. E-gawa December 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Challenge: You can only add 1 more “big” player. Do you sign a LF or a SP? Your budget is $12M tops. Who do you choose?

    a SP. I’d like to repeat instead of watching an extremely overrated Boras client who wants more money than Albert Pujols bobble balls out in LF…

    .. no, I wasn’t talking about Damon.. he’s not overrated.

  69. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    For Nick, CB, Blake, Phil, Brett and others I may not know.

    Channel the force !

  70. m December 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    I haven’t been paying attention to the Damon saga for obvious reasons. But I was under the impression that he (or his camp) said he wants the same base pay. And for that matter the same years. But the last tidbit from Olney was that he was firm on the “11M” AAV. Looks like someone is coming to grips with reality.

  71. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    M-

    Came. past tense.

  72. sunny615 December 18th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Didn’t say it was going to happen, but I just don’t get the fact that in the end, Damon is going to end up taking a 2 year deal from another team for probably less than what the Yankees are currently offering… why not then, just take the deal… doesn’t he remember what happened to Abreu last year??

  73. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Thanks, m. I’m disappointed, I was really looking forward to watching him tomorrow night. But I guess I can live with having to wait ’til January (or whenever he ends up doing it) :)

  74. m December 18th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Boston pulls out of the Beltre race. Lowell trade in trouble?

  75. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Sunny-
    since there has been a distincly religious cast here today.

    “Pride goeth before a fall”.

  76. Rich in NJ December 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    “Challenge: You can only add 1 more “big” player. Do you sign a LF or a SP? Your budget is $12M tops. Who do you choose?”

    If Chapman is considered to be on the ML budget, which I doubt, him.

    If not, I don’t think there is LF or SP worth $12m besides Holliday (Bay’s D makes him not worth considering for LF).

  77. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    M-
    Lowell put his thumb in the wrong place too many times and now it’s gonna cost him !

  78. Rich in NJ December 18th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    “Off topic question for discussion…..
    How in God’s name is Mike Lupica still employed?”

    Like so many members of the MSM, because of past performance. He was a good writer in the last century.

  79. m December 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Rich,

    LOL. So I assume you don’t want Damon back for LF?

    If Wang was back in the fold somehow, we could roll the dice with the kids and bring Wang in mid-season.

    I don’t know what I’d do. I would say SP. You can never have enough pitching, and if Joba can’t make it out of the 5th, they need to think about him in the pen.

    I think that Melky would do an adequate job in LF.

  80. Grrrrrrrrreat Caesars Ghost December 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    MTU
    December 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
    M-
    Lowell put his thumb in the wrong place too many times and now it’s gonna cost him !
    __________

    Technically, Lowell putting his thumb in the wrong place will cost the Red Sox. lol, Karma, its a killa!

  81. sunny615 December 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Pride of the Yankees indeed. It’ll be interesting to hear Damon’s comments when he eventually signs his two year $15 mil contract from the Giants in two months.

    “They really pursued me and showed they really wanted me.”

    good grief.

  82. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Boston is probably pulling out of the beltre race because their payroll is almost equal to the yankees now, and still without the talent.

  83. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Yeah Texas really didn’t like what they saw in Lowell’s medicals.

    Watch, he’s going to put together an MVP season this year :-P

  84. John in Ohio December 18th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Damon made one of the great plays in World Series history with his dash to 3rd. He was also a favorite amongst teammates.I hate to see him go, but his defense is now way below average.

  85. mick December 18th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    not happening. Damon is done as a yankee
    —————————————————
    It depends on Holliday.
    If we don’t get him, Johnny can dangle and come crawling back like Alex.

  86. Andrew December 18th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    If there is only $12 million left to be spent, it has to go to pitching. 8 million (base) for a starter named Ben Sheets, maybe sign a reliever and a bench guy with the remaining 3 million. Offseason over; team got a little worse offensively, but still should be a first place club in 2010.

  87. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Chip-
    yeah. MVP- Most Valueless Player !

  88. Rich in NJ December 18th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    m

    I would have only wanted Damon back for one year because, as Cash said yesterday, next year’s FA class will be much better than this one, and they have so many contractual commitments (and the need to re-sign Jeter and Mo) that I don’t think having money committed to Damon in 2011 would have made financial sense.

  89. Grrrrrrrrreat Caesars Ghost December 18th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Even if the Rangers deal for Lowell falls through, its not like the Sox were getting that much off their payroll. They were said to be eating 9 million of his salary, so it would only be about 3 million saved.

  90. Andrew December 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Nice job with the math on my part, sign a bench guy and reliever with the remaining 4 million.

  91. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Not really gettin the NJ hate.

    Perfect #2 hitter for the order.

    Not much you can do when Johnny decides to price himself out of the market.

  92. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    It depends on Holliday.
    If we don’t get him, Johnny can dangle and come crawling back like Alex.

    I doubt it – Yankees owe Melky 3 mil this year, they aren’t going to pay him that to sit on the bench. I think if they complete the Johnson deal they’re done adding offense.

    Damon is going to end up like Abreu, Orlando Hudson and Pudge did last year

  93. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    By the way – for those who say Alex came “crawling back.” He did wind up getting $300 mil out of the Yankees so it kinda worked out well for him.

  94. m December 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Rich,

    Good thinking. It’s a careful balance.

    I’d like Bay’s bat (and his defense is better than Damon’s), but it’s a long-term commitment.

  95. Joey Ramone December 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Boston may be out on Beltre, because they want to keep 3B open for Youkilis. Especially if they think they can somehow pry Gonzalez out of San Diego…

  96. sunny615 December 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    What are the chances of getting Holliday? And is he worth a 5 or 6 year deal?

  97. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Damon is going to end up like Abreu, Orlando Hudson and Pudge did last year
    ———————————————————
    Is he stupid? Why can’t he see it coming? Esp. in the NL w/out a DH. You’d think Johnny would learn from other’s mistakes.

  98. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    You wait out the Holliday talks and see what happens.

    Now, you turn your attention toward adding a SP.

  99. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Sunny-
    90%, yes.

  100. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    December 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    By the way – for those who say Alex came “crawling back.” He did wind up getting $300 mil out of the Yankees so it kinda worked out well for him.

    He still came crawling back, which Johnny will have to do.

  101. m December 18th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    On A-rod. The Yankees were a roasted marshmallow! Crusty on the inside, but soft on the inside.

  102. Neckwrecker December 18th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    I say the Yanks and Damon split the difference between the 2 and sign JD for $11mil/yr for 2 years. Yeah, he’s not what he used to be, but he still can hit and run the bases. There is alot to be said with keeping the chemistry of the club. I like Nick Johnson, but he’s not going to make anyone forget Matsui or Damon. The man is so injury prone and hits fewer homers than Melky. They didn’t need him. Swish can play first to spell Tex. Melky can play all 3 outfield positions well. An outfielder is needed, not an injury prone first baseman. Bring back Johnny!

  103. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    SJ-

    You dont sound as confident about Holliday as I thought you
    might be.

  104. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Grandy in the 2 hole and Po in the 5. NJ, Cano, Melky LF, Swish….not the end of the world.

  105. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    You don’t come “crawling back” for 300 million.

    If so, we should all be so lucky!

  106. m December 18th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4750589

  107. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    I still think Boras set up Johnny to fail with Holliday his #1
    priority.

  108. m December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Caple is a POS. “As much as we HATE to admit it (it’s really, really killing us), the Yankees are the team of the decade.

    Whatever. Jealous POC.

  109. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Not a matter of confidence.

    You just have to wait it out and see if a deal materializes.

    Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn’t.

  110. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Nothing wrong with Mariano giving credit, to the person he feels gave him his ability.

    It’s a refreshing change from the nauseating conceit you normally hear from other successful athletes.Mo congrats again,stay humble bro it becomes you!

  111. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Mick-

    I think Johnny set up Johnny to fail.

  112. Thom December 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Boras must need the money !

  113. Grrrrrrrrreat Caesars Ghost December 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Alex is an entirely different case though. At that time it was before knowing of his PED use. HR king chase, a major force in the Yankee lineup (still is that), carried the team during one season even though struggling in the post season.

    It had the historical aspects and talent aspects at an age that was young enough to justify.

    Damon had been signed as a CF, which was part of the reason for his contract cost. He couldn’t play there anymore, and his injuries have to have teams concerned about longer term contracts becoming dead weight.

  114. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    You don’t come “crawling back” for 300 million.

    If so, we should all be so lucky!
    ———————————————-
    SJ (if that really is you)………who else would pay him that money? “Crawling back” meaning he couldn’t get a better deal so he reconsidered, okay?

  115. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Not the way Boras works.

    He doesn’t sell out one client for another.

    Damon and Holliday are at different stages of their careers. Each have different needs.

  116. Vrsce December 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Cashman has Boras’ number. that blustery windbag has lost his ability to bully the Yankees into big bloated contracts now that Cashman can not be overturned by big George or Hank.

  117. m December 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    What can Boras do? Johnny’s the 3rd best LF on the market. And he’s way older. Less power than the other two. Clearly declining. Weaker defender.

    Look, Damon found a taker in 2006. It worked out.

    I don’t want to be the sucker of 2010.

  118. Jay December 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Joey Ramone
    December 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am
    Boston may be out on Beltre, because they want to keep 3B open for Youkilis. Especially if they think they can somehow pry Gonzalez out of San Diego…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Before Boston makes any more moves, they have to resolve the Lowell for Ramirez deal with Texas. It’s been over a week and their physical issues are still hanging in the air.

  119. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I would say that if the Yankees sign Johnson then there’s virtually no chance they sign Holliday as well.

    Again, Melky’s arbitration number is going to come in around $3 mil. That’s a lot to pay a bench player and with Johnson at DH, if they sign Holliday, that’s exactly where Melky will wind up.

    The only way that I can see Cashman moving on Holliday is if he has a deal in place beforehand to ship either Melky or Swisher out of New York.

    One possibility (that gives me nausea) would be for the Yankees to sign Holliday and then send Swisher and Miranda or Melky and Igawa to Atlanta for Derek Lowe and a minor leaguer. It would be a salary wash for the teams this year with the Braves saving in the long run.

  120. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    SJ-

    Sounds like you think it’s only a 50/50 chance. I believe the probability is a LOT higher than that.

    Of course, something could always go wrong and they cant/wont match.

    IMO it just makes too much sense for all parties concerned for it to fail.

    What do you see as insurmountable obstacles ?

  121. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    He had an opening offer of 240 from the Angels.

    He may not have gotten 300 from anybody else but he was gettin paid from somebody.

  122. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Kudos to the Sporting News Mag on a great choice. To some degree I think Rivera is often taken for granted both here and around the country. That he’s done it so well for so long is rather stunning and it’s nice to start seeing the well deserved recognition get thrown his way.

  123. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    “Not really gettin the NJ hate.
    Perfect #2 hitter for the order”
    ————————————-

    SJ44: don’t bother trying. The m@sses won’t have it. It’s Holliday or bust

  124. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    “imagine someone offering you 2 years/20 million. The nerve.”

    :lol:

    Especially when you are somewhat obsolete due to the fact that you can no longer really do your job on a daily basis!!!

    “How in God’s name is Mike Lupica still employed?”

    I’ll tell you this. It’s definitely not in God’s name that he is employed!!!

    WELCOME BACK NICK THE STICK!!!!

  125. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    “imagine someone offering you 2 years/20 million. The nerve.”

    :lol:

    Especially when you are somewhat obsolete due to the fact that you can no longer really do your job on a daily basis!!!

    “How in God’s name is Mike Lupica still employed?”

    I’ll tell you this. It’s definitely not in God’s name that he is employed!!!

    WELCOME BACK NICK THE STICK!!!!

  126. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    The man is so injury prone and hits fewer homers than Melky

    ___

    The idea that homeruns are all that matters is the issue. Johnson qualified in 2009 as the 3rd highest OBP and the only two ahead of him are the MVPs (Mauer and Pujols)…

    Ill take a 2 hitter who gets on almost half the time in front of tex and a-rod.

  127. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Only way Holliday fits is if the deal is backloaded.

    No backloaded deal = no Holliday.

  128. Vrsce December 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Ill take a 2 hitter who gets on almost half the time in front of tex and a-rod.
    ======================================

    Anbsolutely correct.
    Nick J is a great pickup.

  129. Grrrrrrrrreat Caesars Ghost December 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    MTU
    December 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am
    Mick-

    I think Johnny set up Johnny to fail.
    ______________

    I think this is more the case. Boras isn’t going to burn one player over another that he represents. If he did that he would be out of business in short order.

    Johnny did talk about how the Yankees have money. He might just have believed that his worth to them was greater than reality. Boras might be trying to engage the Yankees on signing Holliday, but that is SOP for any FA looking to get a good contract. If Holliday had expressed a desire to try to go to the Yankees, Boras would have to honor that as well.

    There are probably things going on behind the scenes that we will never know about, but Boras isn’t going to screw his clients intentionally for the bigger pay cut.

  130. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Alex
    Posada
    Cano
    Johnson
    Swisher
    Melky

  131. SJ44 December 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Vinny,

    is that it? Those folks are clueless anyway. No big deal.

    Love Damon and everything he brings to a team.

    Would have loved him back.

    However, he’s not a 13m AAV player at this stage of his career.

    If you are the Yankees, you have to move on if he insists on that kind of coin.

  132. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Really…what other DH should they have gone for? Guerrero, Thome, Dye, anyone else? All one dimensional.

    What if Tex got hurt? NJ would step in over Swisher and not weaken the OF.

    A no brainer.

  133. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    I think NJ was brilliant on the part of Cashman. Nick was no longer with the Yankees because he became a walking injury, unfortunately. But man alive, what a hitter. What better spot to protect a walking injury than the DH spot??? Look, I was hanging on tooth and nail hoping that Sui was coming back. But I know that he had a lot of problems with his knees. It’s tough to hit as DH if your knees are bothering you. Last season Sui didn’t play continually as DH because of his knees. He rotated with Damon in the DH position and doing such gave both the opportunity to rest their weary knees. You don’t buy into that again unless you intend to have a rotating DH again. This way the DH position is sewn up. The person hired to be DH will be collecting his paycheck by being the regular DH. And he is younger than both last year’s rotators.

    It’s a move that makes total sense to me. You have to think out of the little circumscribed box sometimes to see the big picture.

    That said, I’m either having trouble thinking outside of the little circumscribed box when it comes to pitching – :) – or I am thinking outside of it. I’m not sure which.

    I haven’t been privvy to lots of pitching conversation here but I still don’t get where people are looking for another starter. I continue to say/think that the rotation is CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, and Phil. Chad and Mitre are there for spot starts and backup. Where is there room for another starter? There isn’t, at least in that scenario.

    Again, I don’t know if I’m the one thinking outside of the box here, or if others are who are begging for another starter. Time will tell!

  134. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    “Only way Holliday fits is if the deal is backloaded.”

    Obviously, a backloaded deal has a favorable impact on what the Yankees ACTUAL payroll for this year. But am I right in thinking that a backloaded deal has zero impact on the Yankees payroll as it’s determined for luxury tax purposes?

    And of the two, which is the organization more concerned with?

  135. Andrew December 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    I can’t see Swisher getting traded. He was a positive in 2009 despite it definitely being a roller-coaster ride performance-wise, and on the human side he has become an important part of the clubhouse. Melky would be the man on the move if Holliday were really a possibility. I still say probably not, but anything can happen depending on the price involved.

  136. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Damon struck out almost 100 times last year.

    I’m sure Grandy will cut down on his K’s with Long’s help.

  137. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    SJ-

    Is that likely to be a problem for Holliday ?

    His offer right now is the Cards. They have offered 5 firm w. some options at roughly 80 Mill.

    If the Yanks were to guarantee more years at slightly higher overall value. Let’s say 6/110 overall wouldn’t that be better for him.

    Especially since he WANTS to come to the yankees.

    The Yankees can make him an offer to compete with any thing we currently know about and guaranteed money is likely to trump
    other considerations.

    Unless of course you believe Holliday may value long-term security over the other.

    Heck, he can always sign another contract after this on expires.

    I just cant see how he turns it down. Maybe I am wrong.

    Time will tell. let’s get it done.

  138. Boston Dave - XXVII December 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Boston isn’t “out” on Beltre or anyone else.

    Heck, they aren’t even “out” on Jason Bay.

    A single trade or a free agent signing can change everything.

    What if they trade Ellsbury and Lowell? Or Lowell needs surgery?

    Maybe they trust Kotchman to play every day. Maybe not.

    Anything can happen and anything can change.

  139. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Only way Holliday fits is if the deal is backloaded.
    No backloaded deal = no Holliday.

    I think that’s a part of it, but I still believe that Cashman will have to unload either Melky or Swisher in addition to make it happen.

    Andrew I get your point about Swisher but I don’t think that would really hold up a deal. Damon was a big part of last year and the Yankees are prepared to move on from him too. We just saw Cliff Lee get traded by the Phillies despite all that he meant to that club in his short time there.

    I think the more likely guy to get moved in any scenario is Melky just beacause of salary – but I also think that Brian will try to stick Igawa’s contract on any deal that includes Melky unless he can get something top notch back for him.

  140. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    SJ said it and he said it concisely – he’d make a great writer, lol, because I was always taught to say what you needed to say in the fewest words possible.

    I take it Pukica is blaming the Yanks for Damon? Eh, does anyone like him anymore? I mean -I’m not sure I’ve ever read one nice thing about him.

    I’m sure the Yankee players will realize that the team wanted Damon back, but he didn’t want it badly enough. Period. End of story. It’s nice to have (hopefully he doesn’t fail the physical, lol) Nick back…..

  141. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    And one more thing SJ-

    There is a lot to loose on both sides if they DONT get it done. The yanks loose a great player who will be a perfect fill for their 2010 lineup, and Holliday misses an opportunity to play for the best franchise in all of baseball at a very fair price, looses the best chance he may ever have as a ballplayer to make himself happy and fullfil his potential, and cement his baseball legacy.

    who is not gonna see the logic in all of this. I am betting it wont be Holliday.

  142. like night and day with this guy December 18th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    didn’t the “know it all” and God of this blog say that either damon or holliday would sign with the yankees before christmas? My how the tune has changed the last day with him, but then again, thats what he is..a blow hard that loves to hear himself talk and put other people down.

    On a different note – on the heels of this absolutely assinine signing of nick johnson (if it happens)who would have thunk it that Chip of all people had the best idea to trade for Dejesus – i’d prefer dejesus to nick johnson 1 million times out of 1 million…

  143. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    There’s Nick hate, SJ, because people are upset at Cash for letting Matsui walk away. That’s not how I view it, but that’s how others do.

    SJ, you think Boras will keep Holliday out there as long as the Yanks are a viable option? That is, you don’t think he’ll sign with St. Louis anytime soon?

  144. TMZ December 18th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    There is no way we repeat with the team set up the way it is. Johnson is no replacement for Matsui. Granderson is a good replacement for Damon but he is bad against left handed pitching. We will be scoring less runs for certain.

  145. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    It looks like the Yanks want Holliday over Damon.

    Waiting on his answer, if he hasn’t already agreed.

    All the rest is posturing.

    Johnny will have to wait.

  146. Boston Dave - XXVII December 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    MTU,

    how do we know Holliday really wants to come to the Yankees?

    Of course players are going to say they do for obvious reasons. The Yankees are the best thing that’s ever happened to MLB agents and players trying to get top dollar.

  147. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    SJ said it and he said it concisely – he’d make a great writer, lol, because I was always taught to say what you needed to say in the fewest words possible.
    ————————————————–
    Betsy, is that really you?

  148. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    SJ, why is that? If they backload the deal, that means the Yankees will have serious issues as Jeter and Mo will be up for big contract extensions……That means they’ll have Holliday, Jeter, Mo, Tex and Alex……all up for $20 million plus (in MO’s case close to) in 2014/2015. How would the Yankees even make any moves with that payroll? That doesn’t take into account a new deal for Cano (when does his new contract expire). Man, getting Holliday may be more expensive than just the actual $$ it costs to sign him. If it prevents us from making necessary moves in the future, I wonder if signing him is a good idea.

  149. Boston Dave - XXVII December 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    If Damon ends up signing for 2/16M with another team it could be a great thing.

    Players and agents are used to the Yanks caving in and opening the wallet.

    They will realize they can’t take advantage of that anymore unless it’s premium talent (CC, ARod,etc)

  150. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Betsy-
    I know you weren’t addressing me so I hope you wont mind me giving you an opinion.

    IMO Holliday does not WANT to be a cardinal. He WANTs to play for the Yankees.

    And the only way he is gonna go to the Cards is if the Yankees let him. By not matching or exceeding their offer.

    I dont think the Yankees are going to let that happen for many reasons. Which i have state above and elsewhere on the blog.

    You’re gonna love Holliday in pinstriped wrapping, and even more when you see what he can do daily in the Yankee lineup.

    Hope I am right in my logic.

  151. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Boston-

    Because it has been reported that his Father is a huge Yankee fan, and my bet is that this apple aint falling too far from that tree.

  152. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    MTU

    As is the Yankees way, I believe they are saving the Holliday announcement for a Christmas present to the fans.

  153. TMZ December 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    The Yankees should let the Cardinals have Holliday. We don’t need another hefty contract.

  154. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    If they backload the deal, that means the Yankees will have serious issues as Jeter and Mo will be up for big contract extensions……That means they’ll have Holliday, Jeter, Mo, Tex and Alex……all up for $20 million plus (in MO’s case close to) in 2014/2015.

    Betsy,

    The idea is that the Yankees would be betting on inflation devaluing the buying power of a dollar. By backloading the deal they would be hoping that $20 mil in 2015 would be the same as $14 mil is today. They’re also betting that with regular inflation the league would make corresponding moves, like raising the bar on the luxury tax threshold.

  155. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “There is no way we repeat with the team set up the way it is. Johnson is no replacement for Matsui. Granderson is a good replacement for Damon but he is bad against left handed pitching. We will be scoring less runs for certain.”

    Assuming reasonably good health, Johnson should get something on the order of 600 PA’s. If we assumed the same from Damon, their respective career numbers suggest that Johnson would get on base anywhere from 18-24 times more than Damon would over those 600 PA’s. I think that number is negated a bit by virtue of Damon being able to move and Nick Johnson being a three-toed sloth, but it’s not unreasonable to think they could score about the same number of runs (100+).

    As for any comparison between Granderson and Matsui, I think Granderson’s run prevention quotient probably more than washes out any inferiority to Matsui’s offensive game.

  156. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Yep, let’s just give it up now; the Yankees stink and they have no prayer of repeating.

    Yes Mick, that’s me……

  157. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Mick-
    I hope so ! I also believe it is very likely to happen.

  158. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    You sound different today, Betsy.

  159. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    MTU

    We just need patience. He seems like the right fit even at 5 years.

    People say wait till next years FA class, Crawford ,etc… but unless there are others out there better than Holliday, I just don’t see it.

  160. TMZ December 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    It doesn’t make sense to sign a player who hasn’t been consistently healthy his entire career. Johnson will be out of commission by Spring Training.

  161. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Lupica is a lifelong Red Sox fan, not a Met fan.

  162. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    I think I know the answer to this but I would like to poll the opinion here.

    Please declare yourself and your confidence level(in percentage) on the Yanks ending up with Holliday;

    MTU-90%

  163. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Chip, that makes sense….and the Yankees have to pay Alex and Tex regardless of whether Holliday’s contract is backloaded or not. The Yankees are going to have a ton of $$$ to play with when Jeter and Mo retire (Po will be gone after 2011 anyway).

    MTU, I guess we’ll see. I’m very skeptical of players who say they want to be Yankees, but I’m more skeptical of Hal wanting to spend the $$$ it will take to get Holliday. I do think he’d probably go for Sheets, which I assume is their next target……but unless the Yankees are really aggressive, I don’t see Sheets signing anytime soon. Will they be impatient and go for Deutscherer?

  164. Neil December 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Obviously Hal Steinbrenner must set payroll perimeters when dealing with the likes of Scott Boras but if Cashman and Boras can reach some common ground and it only requires a slight amount of uptick to get a Holliday deal done, Cashman can go to Hal and get a thumbs up.
    Hal understands what one piece can do to shape up his team. He hasn’t forgotten what a difference maker Mark Teixeira was last season even if he didn’t have a postseason for the ages. Nick Johnson and a pitcher are within the payroll already. Subtract what Damon might get from what Holliday will get and a deal is workable.

  165. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Mick-

    You’re on it. Help channel the Force.

  166. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    “It doesn’t make sense to sign a player who hasn’t been consistently healthy his entire career. Johnson will be out of commission by Spring Training”
    —————————————–
    TMZ: go stalk tiger woods

  167. Bob December 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Its clear Lupica does not like the Yankees. Well I’m glad we made his life miserable this past season !

  168. PittsburghYankeeFan December 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    For lux tax purposes, their AAV (not including benefits) is right about $180 million (assuming Melky $3 million, Mitre $2 million, Gaudin $2 million in arb). The rest of the 40 man, including Brackman and Miranda, comes in at $7.3 million in AAV at the ML level.

    Total is $187.3 million AAV. We know the lux tax cap is $170 million this year.

    Assume they want to keep their cap at $200 million, so they are only paying $7.5 million to MLB.

    Nick Johnson costs $5.5 million, so now they are at $192 million or so.

    $8-9 million AAV goes to either

    (1) A pitcher
    (2) Damon (won’t do it)
    (3) Holliday, if they decide to get him at an AAV of $16-18, dump Melky’s $3 million or so, and live with an AAV of $210 million.

    I think they would prefer Damon at $9 million. However, Holliday is tempting them, IMO, but they don’t want payroll to go to AAV of $205 million without an innings eater. A very interesting situation here.

  169. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    SJ44,

    You say the Yanks should get another pitcher. Do you mean a guy like Ben Sheets?

    I’ll be honest, I don’t see the need for him. Hughes and Chamberlain are ready to step into the rotation right now. Did we suffer through the Joba rules, innings limits, etc for nothing? Now that he has no limits lets see what he can do.

  170. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Instead of Holliday I think the Yankees could target DeRosa if the Johnson signing goes down.

  171. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    If the Yankees dont wind up with Holliday as an XMAS present there is gonna be only 1 reason why. They did NOT want him bad enough. Like Texiera bad !

  172. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    MTU

    I have emailed my son that we are getting Holliday, I guess that makes it official (at least in my mind).

    95% sure to be exact.

  173. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Mick, this is the real me. I’m a natural worrier – I worry about every single thing imaginable (and not just with the Yankees). I think I started relaxing when I read so many comments about what a bad job Cash was doing, how the Yankees are going to be lousy, how they messed up with Matsui, etc… My personal default setting is to always defend the Yankees (because I trust Cashman very much), so in defending the Yankees, I jumped back off the ledge I was teetering on. I also didn’t like getting into it with some posters I respect a great deal….

  174. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    A couple of additional Holliday thoughts:

    1. As I said, I think the Yankees would have to move Swisher or Melky to make it happen if they bring in Nick

    2. They could bring in DeRosa for a third the cost and, while DeRosa’s not in the class of Holliday, he’s more versitile and would also provide some insurance if (when) Johnson gets hurt

    3. The additions of Nick Johnson, Curtis Granderson (and DeRosa) would not result in the Yankees losing their first round pick.

  175. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    “Instead of Holliday I think the Yankees could target DeRosa if the Johnson signing goes down.”

    So you think Cashman will think “hmm Matt Holliday is a great player and a great fit on this team but I want the mediocre Mark DeRosa instead.”

  176. mick December 18th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    He seems like the perfect fit for NY.

    He looks like a Yankee, Mantle-like, I can’t see Hal passing on him, it’s just taking time with the “budget”/Boras factor.

  177. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Betsy,

    If you have that level of anxiety in every day life you really should go see a doctor. I’m being serious, this isn’t meant as an insult in any way.

  178. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    I don’t think anyone takes Pukica seriously anymore……

    One great thing about Cash is that he knows how to work with Boras; he doesn’t let himself get outfoxed. I think because of the Yankees payroll, Cash is underrated that way……

  179. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Phil
    I think Lupica is a Red Sox fan as well. But then again, watching the media, I get the impression everyone is a Red Sox fan.

    Truthfully, though, all Lupica does is plug the Mets; he actually holds a position with the Mets organization as Primary Apologist.

    ____

    “I know there are some teams interested,” Damon told Feinsand. “But the Yankees are the best organization I’ve been a part of so far in my career.”

    What a class act. On his way out, he says something like that.

    How Johnny did a complete 180 with his image, being a scumbag (Red Sox) and turning into the classiest of athletes (Yankee), I’ll never know.

    Gotta be the facial hair of a Red Sox that makes one a scumbag.

  180. vinny-b (bows to the great Casey Kelly) December 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    “The Yankees should let the Cardinals have Holliday. We don’t need another hefty contract”
    ————————————————

    agree. I hope Holliday goes to ST Louis. Their fans deserve it

  181. mick December 18th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Mick, this is the real me. I’m a natural worrier – I worry about every single thing imaginable (and not just with the Yankees). I think I started relaxing when I read so many comments about what a bad job Cash was doing, how the Yankees are going to be lousy, how they messed up with Matsui, etc… My personal default setting is to always defend the Yankees (because I trust Cashman very much), so in defending the Yankees, I jumped back off the ledge I was teetering on. I also didn’t like getting into it with some posters I respect a great deal….
    ———————————————–
    I am not so sure there is such a thing as a “natural worrier.” It seems like something that is learned and therefore can be unlearned.

  182. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    SJ44,

    “You say the Yanks should get another pitcher. Do you mean a guy like Ben Sheets?

    I’ll be honest, I don’t see the need for him. Hughes and Chamberlain are ready to step into the rotation right now. Did we suffer through the Joba rules, innings limits, etc for nothing? Now that he has no limits lets see what he can do.”

    Patrick – you are singing my song!

    I believe the Yankees, as presently constituted, would be able to march to number 28. Whether or not Cash has more in mind, I don’t know. I’m a happy enough camper to sit back and watch it unfold! I loved getting Granderson in my Christmas stocking. Nick under the tree is another sweet gift. Now if we can have snow for Christmas, my joy will be complete.

    :)

  183. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    So you think Cashman will think “hmm Matt Holliday is a great player and a great fit on this team but I want the mediocre Mark DeRosa instead.”

    No.

    I think Cashman will think:

    Matt Holliday is a very good player who looks better in this free agent class but he’s not a must have item. I’ve got Melky making $3 mil this year who is going to be sitting on the bench if we sign Holliday (unless I can find someone to take him or Swisher in trade). DeRosa may not be in the class of Holliday, but he can play multiple positions, has some pop, and will fit in my ownership mandated budget and still allow me to sign a pitcher for the back of the rotation. And, as a slight bonus, he won’t cost me a first round draft pick.

  184. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Patrick, lol – no, I exaggerated. I do worry, but absolutely not to that extent. I just meant that my worrying about the Yankees is just a byproduct of my personality. I don’t spend every waking moment worrying – or even close. I’m just a type AAAAA personality.

  185. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Chip,

    Maybe I jumped on you too quick about the DeRosa thing. I could see them grabbing DeRosa if payroll really is a concern. He does fit that type of player Cashman has been talking about – versatile, an okay hitter, etc.

  186. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    DeRosa sucks.

  187. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Mick-

    As SJ has pointed out many times. It’s just a negotiation.

    The “yankees have a # and Boras has a #”.

    “the Yankees are not gonna alow themselves to get fleeced”

    But “they have the leverage” to get a deal done.

    After all they are the much hated Yankees.

    Both parites are motivated. I hope the Yankees are sufficiently motivated. IMHO they should be if they have insight. They should not let this opportunity pass to create a near perfect lineup in the here and now.

    and finally. Boras “who’s your daddy ? “.

    that’s also some of the “why” I think it happens.

  188. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    On another topic:

    is there just as much risk in having Sheets and Joba or Hughes in the rotation based on health concerns as there is of having both Hughes and Joba in the rotation for performance concerns?

  189. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Maybe I jumped on you too quick about the DeRosa thing. I could see them grabbing DeRosa if payroll really is a concern. He does fit that type of player Cashman has been talking about – versatile, an okay hitter, etc.

    No worries.

    Hey, I’m still hoping for Holliday – I just don’t think that it’s as likely as it was, say three days ago.

  190. psst December 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Let’s hope the Giants bite,that field (ocean) will make Damon look like he’s lost at sea.

    Damon is the “next to the last,” of a bunch of egos that came to the Yankees for money only,and kept the team from WS appearances.
    Johnny….Adios,Ciao,Hasta Luego,Auf Wiedersehen,Adieu!!

    English:don’t let the door knob hit ya,where the good Lord split cha!

  191. mick December 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    What # does Matt wear?

  192. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Chip,

    Probably less risk with Sheets and Joba OR Hughes simply because whoever goes to the pen could be stretched back out for the rotation if someone goes down.

    My point is, I don’t want to see Joba or Hughes in the pen because I think both of them are ready for the rotation. The bottom line is, if Cashman wants to reduce payroll he’s got to stop spending 60 million on 5 starters.

  193. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    The cardinals are more constrainted in what they can offer Holliday than we are. Ever hear of a guy named Pujols, and what he is going to mean for THEIR payroll going forward.

    They aint gonna want to loose him over retaining Holliday if it comes to that.

    That’s reason number 999 why Holliday can be ours for the taking. If we want him.

  194. rodg12 December 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Mick -

    He was #5 with the Rockies and #15 with the Cards.

  195. mick December 18th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    We need to give him a good #. Any suggestions?

  196. dee December 18th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Congrats to Mo!

  197. William Buckner December 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the offense be around as good – if not better with:

    Nick Johnson, Granderson, DeRosa-esque LF through FA or trade then it was with Matsui, Damon, Cabrera?

    And doesn’t that allow them financial room to go after future trades, FA, or allow people to develop as opposed to locking down roster spots.

    And isn’t locking down roster spots what got them in trouble from 2002-2008?

  198. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Mick-
    cant wear Mantle’s. What was Oklahoma’s number in the sequence of states entering the union ?

    Or, What is his dad’s favorite # ?

    Any other ideas ?

  199. cashman needs to go December 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    I hope cashman shows the same iron balls with jeter and his contract next year as he has with matsui/damon/halladay/ holliday etc this year…or will he give jeter what he wants and then go cry in the corner like he did all through elementary and high school when the popular guys gave him wedgies.. if its all about dropping salary then jeter (or mariano)shouldn’t be above the law next year..
    and yes i know they are icons blah, blah, blah but so was bernie williams and tino martinez and they were shown the door when they became too expensive for what they brought to the table and what they were asking to get paid..

  200. mick December 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    How about #6, Matt Holliday.

  201. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Buckner-
    That may be the fallback plan. But i hope we dont need to get to it. We shouldn’t really.

  202. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Ca$hmoney!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    mick: #5/Colorado. #15/ST Louis

  203. TMZ December 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Matt Holliday can wear #6 for the Cardinals.

  204. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Mick-

    15 + 5 = 20. Is that # taken ?

  205. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    William Buckner,

    It’s possible the offense would be better but you have to think about the possibility of Posada and Jeter regressing. They are over 35 so it’s a distinct possibility.

    You also have to think about the rest of the lineup. Everyone performed at or above expectations in 2009, what’s the likelihood that that happens again?

  206. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    “The cardinals are more constrainted in what they can offer Holliday than we are. Ever hear of a guy named Pujols, and what he is going to mean for THEIR payroll going forward”

    Won’t be an issue for them for a couple years. They can definitely squeeze Holliday in. They’re only at $64M now and they have Capenter, Pujols and Wainwright locked up thru 2011 or beyond. They’ve generally been operating with a payroll of $85M to $95M over the past several years, and don’t have much in the way of arb cases coming up.

  207. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    “15 + 5 = 20. Is that # taken ?”

    Please tell me you’re joking.

  208. cashman needs to go December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    rodg12
    December 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am
    Mick -

    He was #5 with the Rockies and #15 with the Cards.
    ———————————————————–

    Give him #6 – that will take care of the Joe Torre mess, if and when it gets to it. Everyone will be so happy to get holliday that it won’t matter that he has #6 and that will forever put to rest retiring the # for joe the idiot….

  209. mick December 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    MTU

    Mick’s original # was 6.

  210. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    MTU
    December 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am
    The cardinals are more constrainted in what they can offer Holliday than we are. Ever hear of a guy named Pujols, and what he is going to mean for THEIR payroll going forward.

    They aint gonna want to loose him over retaining Holliday if it comes to that.

    That’s reason number 999 why Holliday can be ours for the taking. If we want him.
    ————————————-

    At the same time Pujols has said that before discussing a new deal he wants to see St. Louis make a commitment to winning (translation: GET ME SOME FREAKING HELP IN THIS LINEUP) and if St. Louis let’s Holliday go that could turn Pujols into MLB’s version of Kevin Garnett with the T’Wolves.

  211. Tom on N.J. December 18th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “What was Oklahoma’s number in the sequence of states entering the union ?”

    46. He ain’t getting that number.

  212. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    I’ll do what ESPN wont.

    The Red Sox just spent over 100 million on 3 players. That is more than some teams have as their payroll.
    The rich get richer, they act as if they own Major League Boston, I mean Baseball.

  213. NYYanksFan December 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    #21

  214. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Ca$hmoney!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    “I hope cashman shows the same iron balls with jeter and his contract next year as he has with matsui/damon/halladay/ holliday”
    ————————————————

    I would rather have a young Holliday, then Jeter on another contract. But that’s not happening

  215. dee December 18th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Assuming we don’t get Holliday, I wonder if Cash will trade for LF. I know I’ve said this before, but I was reading a blog the other day and Ethier and Kemp’s names came. Now, that would be awesome and cheaper than Holliday, but idk if we have the trade chips to make something like that work. Obviously we are not going to get them, I’m just saying that it would be convenient to make a trade for someone of that caliber.

  216. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Would you consider (if they sign him) flipping around his 15 and giving him 51?

  217. Wave Your Hat December 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    The DeRosa rumors make a lot more sense to me than the Holliday speculation.

    DeRosa would be the perfect guy to let ARod rest from time to time and let CG sit from time to time against lefties. He could even give Cano a day or two off.

    Plus, he’d allow payroll room for that starting pitcher Cashman clearly wants, despite all the dreamers on here that want to believe Cash will do the opposite of what he says.

  218. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Chip
    I know it’s not what you meant….

    But we do not have to worry about Pujols turning into KG.

    Kevin McHale was the GM of the Wolves.

    Curt Schilling is not the GM of the Cardinals.

    So Pujols getting handed to the Red Sox via trade seems unlikely….

    Unless Schilling changes his political aspirations to General Manager of the Cardinals aspirations.

  219. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    OK. I apologize for the large number of posts I have put here today. I have convinced myself on Holliday (and maybe a few others). Now I am gonna concentrate on BELIEVING it.

    And on hoping to SEE it ! Sooner rather than later.

    If it doesn’t happen the way some of us think it will then it just meant the Yankees just didn’t really Want Holliday all that bad.

    That can be OK. If they can move on so can I. I will have to trust their judgement. Either way. (but I hope they pull the trigger)

  220. Yankee in ND December 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    No way to DeRosa. What kind of salary would he command? If you are going to pay him, then the Yankees should just close a deal with Damon. At least with Damon, we know what we have.

  221. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “OK. I apologize for the large number of posts I have put here today. I have convinced myself on Holliday (and maybe a few others). Now I am gonna concentrate on BELIEVING it”
    ————————————————–

    MTU: the difference between you and government conspiracy theorists, is the conspiracy theorists make sense. :)

  222. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “Would you consider (if they sign him) flipping around his 15 and giving him 51?”

    That number will probably be retired.

  223. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    MTU: jus playin, bro

  224. Dave December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Am I missing something? Why the heck would we bring back “Glass Johnson”?

    Does the Yankees FO want a Babe Ruth mascot on the team for good luck or something? That is he only reason I can think of that they would bring him here.

  225. sab December 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    speaking of numbers – since the yankees are all of a sudden pinching pennies and crying financial cautiousness – how about “unretiring” numbers and handing them out again – so ARod can get his #3 again which would sell millions of more jerseys, tex can get #4 because he has the same personality as gehrig did(and plays the same position), granderson as #5 is our new dimaggio in center and i’ll even think ahead and give montero #7 which i don’t have to explain why..

    its getting a little absurd seeing football lineman numbers on players today …

    this will make the yankees more profit so they don’t have to sign nick johnson instead of matt holliday again…

  226. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    And Mick-

    I am down with #6. My fallback on that is his Father’s favorite # if it is available.

    I’m done convincing to the sheer joy of many on this board.

    I have made my case the best I know how.

    I am prepared to be wrong if that is what happens.

    I am at peace and I am just going to try to wait patiently.

    Sounds like an AA speech doesn’t it ?

  227. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (pro Melky in LF for 2010...he can DO IT!!!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Very well deserved indeed.

    Congrats Mo. You are a model of excellence.

  228. Patrick December 18th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    “Plus, he’d allow payroll room for that starting pitcher Cashman clearly wants, despite all the dreamers on here that want to believe Cash will do the opposite of what he says.”

    Well all the “dreamers” have been proven right time and time again. Last year Cashman said there is no way they could have both Tex and Sabathia. This year he said that he wants a rotating DH and has no interest in a player to be a full-time DH.

    He then went out and did the exact opposite.

  229. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Vinny-
    It’s all good.

  230. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    “Does the Yankees FO want a Babe Ruth mascot on the team for good luck or something? That is he only reason I can think of that they would bring him here”
    ———————————————–

    we signed him, cuz he’s Larry Bowa’s nephew. That and the fact that he’s gets on base 50% of the time. Other than that, he sucks

  231. REZ December 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    I feel bad for A-Rod, he has no one to protect him. He is going to be pitched around in every big spot to get to PO.

    And PO isn’t nearly as feared a hitter as Matsui. And when PO sits day games after night games and such, who protects him? Swisher?

    lol

    Still need a #5 hitter.

  232. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Well okay!

    Have a good day kids and remember this little nugget of wisdom: just because you have a heart set on a player, it doesn’t mean Cashman is nuts if the player doesn’t make it to the Bronx!

    :)

  233. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    The fact that Boras met with Cashman for a 2 year deal,that wasn’t in Cashman’s dollar range is a MAJOR COUP for Cashman.
    Boras has backed peddled. Remember he told Cashman 4 yrs 13mm per,or don’t bother submitting an offer?

    Cashman has played Boras right,he won’t be holding the Yankees hostage.

  234. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    No way to DeRosa. What kind of salary would he command?

    Not sure, maybe 2 years $15 mil? Still that’s nearly half of what Damon would be seeking.

  235. TMZ December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Holliday missed that easy fly ball in the playoffs. He’s not tough enough to be a Yankee.

  236. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    At the same time Pujols has said that before discussing a new deal he wants to see St. Louis make a commitment to winning (translation: GET ME SOME FREAKING HELP IN THIS LINEUP) and if St. Louis let’s Holliday go that could turn Pujols into MLB’s version of Kevin Garnett with the T’Wolves.

    _____

    If St. Louis doesnt get Holliday, chances Pujols walks?

    Boston will make a HUGE push for him in the offseason.

  237. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! December 18th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    MTU
    December 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am
    Erica-

    I dont think you were dreaming. I only think you thought you were.

    *******

    No, I was definitely dreaming. Otherwise it would have been a Johnny signing

  238. Wave Your Hat December 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    “Well all the “dreamers” have been proven right time and time again. Last year Cashman said there is no way they could have both Tex and Sabathia.”

    I said last year that Cashman would get both Tex and CC. And I’m saying this year that he won’t sign Holliday.

    You could see from the payroll situation last year that they had room for both CC and Tex without increasing their payroll substantially from 2008 to 2009.

    You can see from the payroll situation this year that they can’t sign Holliday without substantially increasing their payroll 2009 to 2010.

    If you use your head and actually listen to Cashman, you will put a pretty low probability on Santa Holliday coming to town.

  239. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Patrick
    December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am
    “Would you consider (if they sign him) flipping around his 15 and giving him 51?”

    That number will probably be retired.
    ———————

    I was joking.

  240. Oddessy December 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Our bench is weak at the moment. Pena? Cervelli? Gardner? Hoffmann?

    Not exactly Hairston, Molina, and Hinske.

    I could see why we are interested in DeRosa.

  241. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (pro Melky in LF for 2010...he can DO IT!!!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I have no clue what the Yankees “real” budget is for this coming season, but my guess is that they wouldn’t go above $210 million. That’s just a guess.

    I am not pro-Holliday, but I will concede that he would A) make the team better (duh) and B) they Yankees have placed themselves in a position to sign an LF. If its not Holliday, you have to assume that it will be someone like Mark DeRosa who would be far less expensive.

    But here’s the thing…if you’re going to sign DeRosa to what, $9 or $10 per year, why not just sign Holliday and trade a guy like Swisher? If you bring in a bat like Holliday, then you can start Melky in RF w/o batting an eye.

    On days in which Posada needs to rest, you start Cervelli at C, DH Jorge, bench Johnson, and hope (wink wink) that Jeter, Granderson, Tex, ARod, Holliday, Posada, and Cano can carry the load. I don’t see the problem there. If Jorge is benched, then you have Johnson in the 2 hole and Granderson batting 6th or 7th.

    BUT, the main thing is, if the Yankees want Holliday, they have to cut ties with Swisher. I LOVE Swish…he was aggravating in the post season, but he is a cool cat and I think he has been a good influence in the clubhouse…I think. But he’s only going to get more and more expensive. There has to be some give and take and, who knows, maybe he’d bring in a decent return for the bullpen, bench, or farm.

  242. Tim December 18th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Yanks won’t wait around for Sheets. He probably won’t even have a throwing session before sometime in January. Then, the bidding war will start and it will drag out.

    I could see Cash just moving on to Duchester and wrapping things up quickly. Sheets is much better and more reliable than Duch, but I don’t think Cashman wants to wait for him and then get into a bidding war (which will happen if he shows his good stuff in his workout).

  243. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    “and if St. Louis let’s Holliday go that could turn Pujols into MLB’s version of Kevin Garnett with the T’Wolves.”

    In fairness, Pujols doesn’t come close to having the same beef Garnett had. The Cards have, with the exception of a couple years, done a nice job surrounding Pujols with good bats. Guy’s been in the postseason 6 times in 9 MLB season, with 4 NLCS and 2 WS appearances, which is pretty darn good for a non-Yankee.

  244. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (pro Melky in LF for 2010...he can DO IT!!!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Looks like Swish gets 6.75 million this year, then 9 million in 2011 and 2012. That means he has roughly $25 million left on his contract through 2012.

  245. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    If St. Louis doesnt get Holliday, chances Pujols walks?

    I truly hope Pujols stays with St. Louis. There are just some guys who should retire with the teams they’re on:

    Jeter
    Mauer
    Varitek
    Pujols
    Greinke
    Utley & J-Roll

    Anyway – as for Albert’s next deal – you would have to imagine that he looks for Alex money as a starting point right? I mean he’s the best hitter in the game – and thus far – he’s come up clean. I don’t know how a team like St. Louis could ever afford to pay that. Where the Yankees can just say to a guy like Jeter, “alright, tell us what you want and we’ll do it” St. Louis isn’t in that position.

  246. haiku-man December 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Chip

    On mbtraderumors yesterday.Pujols’ agent came out against Boras,stating Pujols signing an extention with the Cardinals, is not attached to a Holliday signing. Joe Strauss,of the St Louis Post Dispatch, got the interview.

    http://www.stltoday.com

  247. Joe December 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    If STL signs Holliday for 5/$90, you figure they realize how that will impact their budget for Pujols.

    Or perhaps they hope by signing Holliday, it shows how committed they are to winning and hope Pujols stays and takes a reasonable deal.

    Doesn’t Wainwright’s contract expire in 2011 too? Don’t know Carpenter’s contract status either.

    Looks like they are going to have some decisions to make.

  248. 7*7 December 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    DeRosa would be a very nice pick up.

    I just don’t know if Cash wants to commit a multi year deal and like $7-8 million for a 35 yr old bench player.

  249. D-Train December 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Lupica: Champion Yankees fall to 2nd place behind Boston Red Sox in arms race

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....nkees.html

  250. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Ugh……Yanks next targets are a SP for sure and possibly De Rosa (per Olney). This filter is driving me crazy

  251. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Ugh……Yanks next targets are a SP for sure and possibly De Rosa (per Olney). This filter is driving me crazy

  252. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    If it meant having the budget and roster flex to sign Holliday would you consider:

    ATL gets: Nick Swisher, Juan Miranda
    NYY gets: Derek Lowe
    Lowe is owed:
    10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M

    Subtract that from what Swisher and Miranda are owed and the Yankee obligation would be:

    10:$5M, 11:$4M, 12:$14M

  253. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    DeRosa would be a terrific pickup if he’s willing to not technically be a “starter” – he’d get plenty of chances to play.

  254. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    The Yankees have put themselves in a position to be even better than last year, and they’ve managed to do it while shedding payroll and making shrewd transactions. The Red Sox and Rays should be afraid. The American League should be afraid. Baseball should be afraid. The New York Yankees are back, and they’re here to stay.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index…on-to-new-york

  255. Cross-T December 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    It would kind of suck if we wait it out for Sheets and the other options (mainly Dutchester) are gone… and then Sheets decides he doesn’t want to come to the AL East and takes a 1-yr deal with the Cubs or something. Or some team decides to offer him 2 years or more $$ than we are willing to go. I think Cash is afraid that might happen and why he may opt for a lesser guy like Dutch, rather than risk being left in the cold.

  256. MTU December 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Betsy-
    If they get Holliday. they should be even MORE afraid.

  257. blake December 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    put no stock in what Buster says.

  258. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    “Or another starting pitcher, even if they seem to need one for continued world domination.

    Or maybe in this economy, you don’t get to spend more than $425 million every single baseball winter. Let the Red Sox spend this time to catch up, spend on John Lackey and everybody else.”

    If this Lupica is not the most bitter, most hypocritical, inhumane insect on this planet, I do not know who is.

    If the Yankees spending is a problem, and an attempt at world domination, then the Red Sox are not helping matters with their spending.

    Somehow, I missed the paragraph in the article where it mentions that the Yankees offseason spending spree last year was in response to the Red Sox spending spree in the Fall 2006-Spring 2007 offseason.

  259. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (pro Melky in LF for 2010...he can DO IT!!!) December 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Chip,

    I don’t see the Yanks trading for Lowe nor would I want them to. He’s overpaid.

    But for all of you Holliday homers out there, if you want him in stripes, trading Nick Swisher is the key to making it a reality. That’s my opinion and you heard it here first.

  260. Wilson December 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    I wouldn’t consider Bolston Olney as a reliable source.

  261. Wilson December 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    *Boston

  262. christina25 December 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Olney prints only the things that the Yankees want him to print which is the totally opposite in what they are doing.

  263. blake December 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Derosa would be nice to have around as a luxury. I don’t see spending precious payroll on a super utility guy when there are glaring everyday needs.

  264. NYY626 December 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Tom on N.J.
    December 18th, 2009 at 11:18 am
    “What was Oklahoma’s number in the sequence of states entering the union ?”

    46. He ain’t getting that number.
    ____________________________________________________________
    Aww heck no. That number best be reitred one day.

  265. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    DeRosa sucks and would be the opposite of what they’ve been doing so far this offseason.

  266. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    I couldn’t care less what the Red Sox do. We don’t build our team to beat one team. We build our team to beat every team.

    Just because the Sox dumped a bunch of cash on an aged OF who strikes out upwards of 120-130/year and for an overpriced pitcher who slots more as a #2 or #3 starter, it doesn’t mean we should feel inclined to try to one up them.

    If the move makes sense, Cash will pull the trigger. If it doesn’t, he won’t.

  267. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    The guy writes like I do, but about the Yankees.

    Calling Joba a future 1st ballot Hall of Famer to insult him.

    And what is Buchholz? He is just another pitcher that Boston is and has been trying to dump because they were never in love with him in the first place. They’ve known all along that the guy is like a piece of ****.

  268. christina25 December 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Wilson,
    Olney is not the Boston mouthpiece he is the Yankees mouthpiece.

  269. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I hate the ESPN baseball analysts, but I think Olney is pretty darned good at what he does.

  270. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Aside from the Lupica article posted today, this article is still the most unprofessional, bitter article I have ever read.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ge/?page=1

  271. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Lupica s a friend of Pete, even last season run by the Yankees was viewed as impossible by him.
    Baesball is still played on the field last I CHECKED.

  272. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    i don’t really see a problem with Buster. And he was the first one to get Girardi right

  273. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    christina25
    You’re dreaming as usual. Earlier, this year, Boston Olney went to the depths of insulting Cone’s and Wells’ perfect games, while lauding Lester and Buchholz’ no hitters.

  274. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    I bet christina25 has as much a future in Major League Boston as Casey Kelly :)

    Why has Buster Gammons Callis Stark Rosenthal not propped you up, Christina25, as the next great stud of the Sox farm system?

  275. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Jeter
    Mauer
    Varitek
    Pujols
    Greinke
    Utley & J-Roll
    _____

    why varitek. he didnt come up with the sox organization. i believe the rest of those did come up with the team they play for.

  276. tampayank December 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    anyone know the total payroll currently commited? adding the 5.5 mil of NJ what is it now? a link?

  277. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I tend to agree that the only possible way the Yankees are able to add Holliday is if they first move Swisher.

    That said, I’m not entirely sure how much value Swisher is going to have around the league. That’s why I mention Lowe.

    Atlanta needs a 1b and wants offense. They are also desperate to unload Lowe. I’m not a huge fan of Lowe myself but there would be positives:

    He’s playoff tested
    He’s big game tested
    He’s a bulldog who will give them 200 innings from the 4 spot in the rotation (something that may not be said about Sheets/Duchscher)

  278. Y 27 December 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Olney is a good reporter— just not good at predicting the future.

  279. Chip December 18th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    why varitek. he didnt come up with the sox organization. i believe the rest of those did come up with the team they play for.

    He’s just been a very good leader for that organization. Never been the best player, but really the heart of that team.

  280. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Congrats on a well deserved award to Rivera.

    I don’t see why folks are so enamored with DeRosa. He’s versitile, sure, but he’s not very good at any particular position for the money he’ll be asking for. Besides, he’ll take a starting job somewhere else.

    And frankly, since Johnson’s signed, I’m ready to go to war with Melky as my starting LF.

  281. bru December 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    can you imagine if we signed holliday & traded for josh johnson?

    lineup

    jeter
    nj
    tex
    arod
    holliday
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    cg

    a devastating 1-9

    rotation of

    cc
    jj
    burnett
    pettitte
    hughes

    joba,montero & whoever the marlins wan’t for him

    gm’s would be screaming from rooftops & it laughs in the face of the rs signing lackey

    the rs already passed their highest payroll from 2007

  282. Jimmy December 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Isin’t it funny that people consider Mark Shapiro a good GM, yet he traded his all-star catcher for Justin Masterson (ROOGY) and Nick Hagadone?

    Why isin’t anyone outraged at Shapiro? If we acquired an All-Star for that package, every columnist in America would demand an investigation by Selig.

    And why is it that we have to give up Hughes/Joba/Montero in every package, but the Sox only need to give up Casey Kelly and Wesermoreland?

  283. blake December 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Buster. He seems like a nice guy and he’s a pretty good writer I think. He’s just not so hot at predictions.

  284. tampayank December 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    “CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Aside from the Lupica article posted today, this article is still the most unprofessional, bitter article I have ever read.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..ge/?page=1″

    Boston writers have a complex

  285. Henry December 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Buston Olney does a superb job at predicting the past and will be a fine replacement for Gammons once he gets his teeth yellowed.

  286. paul.c December 18th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Damon will end up where all Yankees released go to,the Angels.

    Everybody hates the Yankees,but can’t get in line fast enough to sign them on their teams!

  287. CR9 December 18th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Jimmy
    I think it’s fairly obvious the Victor trade was considered good. The Boston centric media spun the Victor trade as the Indians saving themselve X $$$ of debt.

    I also think it’s fairly obvious why we get asked for Cano and Wang for Jason Michaels, while they get to give up the slop of the baseball world, like Casey Kelly.

  288. Jerkface December 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    I do not think the Yankees are in a rush to trade Nick Swisher. Especially not in a salary dump for Derek Lowe. Derek Lowe has 3 years 45 million left on his contract, in what universe is trading Nick Swisher for Derek Lowe (Who we killed in Atlanta this year in the *NL* east and who is old and looks done) a good move?

    If the Yankees really wanted Lowe, I could see them trading Melky, because he isn’t good, but Swisher had an above average year on offense and defense.

    Would be completely foolish to trade Swisher.

  289. haiku-man December 18th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    That bosox article was written in 2008,after Tex was stolen from John Henry. They’re still reeling from that master blow!!

  290. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    paul,

    The Angels are boycotting Boras. They’re not signing Damon.

  291. Bronx Jeers December 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    I still like Mariano as the SI Sportsman of the Year.

    Sure Derek’s the “sexier” choice but Mo just flat out rocked opposing hitters like he was in his prime.

    And he just turned 40 a few weeks ago. It’s like he’s on PED’s or something. PETWTL. Performance Enhancing Talks With The Lord.

    I wonder if Mo dreams about the left side of the plate.

    I’m not so much into mixing religion with sport but you got to admit there is almost a religious aesthetic in seeing that ball dart left with so much consistency.

  292. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    I’ve posted before that Swisher has trade value due to his remaining contract in comparison to existing free agents (Holliday, Bay, Damon) this year, AND next year (Crawford, Werth, Hawpe, Ordonez.

    That said, I don’t necessarily see them trading him now, unless for a major pitching asset, but I would not at all be surprised if he’s traded after next season, as we could be in the market for 2 OF’ers.

  293. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Chip,

    Yes, I’m aware of what Lowe has done and if he was a lot less expensive, I’d see the possibility, but he is owed a lot of money still and my idea with trading Swisher was for the sake of a salary dump.

    Although, as I also said, I tend to doubt that there are all that many teams who would be willing to take on Swisher’s salary w/o asking the Yankees to chip in something. Furthermore, we would doubtfully get much in return for him.

    Atlanta would be a good fit though…I’d buy that. But not if they demand on sending Lowe to NY.

  294. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    why varitek. he didnt come up with the sox organization. i believe the rest of those did come up with the team they play for.

    He’s just been a very good leader for that organization. Never been the best player, but really the heart of that team.

    ___

    agreed. but boston has treated him like crap the last couple years.

  295. dan 771 December 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    trade swisher and re-sign nady….

  296. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    “agreed. but boston has treated him like crap the last couple years.”

    Hasn’t he kind of played like crap the last couple years?

  297. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Would you trade Swisher for Ordonez?

  298. tex's friend December 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “agreed. but boston has treated him like crap the last couple years.”

    Hasn’t he kind of played like crap the last couple years?

    ___

    yes.

  299. 40 time December 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Doesn’t Nick the Stick look like your typical pizza delivery guy?

  300. L to the 2nd December 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Swisher for Ordonez? No.

    A good contract for a TERRIBLE contract?

    Ordonez’s contract is one of the major reasons Granderson will be in CF for us next year.

  301. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Jerkface,

    I agree that the Yankees shouldn’t be in any hurry to trade Swisher.

    I love the guy, but the reason I brought that up to begin with is in regards to a majority of the folk on this blog being so in love with Matt Holliday. If you want Holliday, you move Swisher and play Melky in RF. It makes a lot of sense if you ask me.

  302. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Hoffa
    December 18th, 2009 at 9:01 am
    “Rivera is a little too religious for my liking. Easy on the “Lord” references there.”
    _____
    Rivera has as much right to express his views on religion as you have to express yours.
    ======

    Rivera isn’t expressing his views on religion and he’s not “too religious” either.

    He is a rare being who gets the bigger picture.

    His pitch is a gift that comes from Source, and he is humbled by that and appreciates it.

    He also is prepared to lose it – how many people would even be able to find them “selves” if they lost the armor they mistake for the definition of their lives?

    Religion? Please – Rivera is directly connected to Source itself. Can’t you see how calm he is? He’s what we’re all supposed to be.

  303. paul.c December 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Phil
    Too hard to pass up two very angry ex Yankees, motivated to prove Cashman wrong. Damon will buckle and go where the offer is!! Boras’s hands are tied,there’s no market for his aging client.

  304. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    What the heck is up with all this lobbying for Xavier Nady?

    They guy hasn’t done jack for us. He blew out a ligament in his elbow and he plays the OF!!!

    I don’t get it…trade Swisher and sign Nady?

    That makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

  305. Jerkface December 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    The Yankees are not salary dumping to sign a player. If they were really trading Swisher it’d be simply for prospects, to be a true salary dump, and I don’t see Cashman doing that. He got Swisher for a bag of beans and Swish proved him right a thousand times over with his play last year.

    It makes more sense to trade Melky for a cost controlled reliever or prospects.

  306. Frank December 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    “Damon will buckle and go where the offer is!!”

    Hard to believe that offer would be from the Halos, who have DH/OFs Matsui, Abreu, Matthews, Rivera and Hunter already.

  307. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    I do not think Yankee fans realize what they have in Swisher. Everyone in the media was fawning over Bobby Abreu last year in the playoffs and saying the Yankees regret letting him go. Swisher is a better RF than Bobby. In fact, Swisher is one of the better RF in baseball and on top of that he is signed to a very team friendly contract

  308. ray (sox fan) December 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    tex’s friend
    December 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    why varitek. he didnt come up with the sox organization. i believe the rest of those did come up with the team they play for.

    “He’s just been a very good leader for that organization. Never been the best player, but really the heart of that team.

    ___

    agreed. but boston has treated him like crap the last couple years.”

    ______________________________________________________

    I would say that Varitek’s agent is more responsible than Boston for Varitek’s situation. Last year Varitek could have accepted arbitration for 10-11 million a year, but upon the advice of Boras he declined. That was a big mistake.

  309. Wave Your Hat December 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Cashman knows what he has in Swisher. Nick isn’t going anywhere.

  310. Tim December 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    You lose Swisher, the clubhouse reverts back to the 2004-2008 one.

    We already lost Damon, losing Swisher would just kill the team.

  311. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Jerkface,

    I think you’re missing my point.

    If the Yankees WANT Holliday then trading Swisher beforehand would allow them to open up some salary space within their budget.

    Melky is dirt cheap and trading him would not help them cut costs.

    What I am basically saying is that Swisher, from a financial perspective, is the odd man out if the Yankees want Holliday.

    For the record, I don’t believe the Yankees need Holliday. He’d help, sure, but he’s not a necessity.

  312. blake December 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Bodhisettva,

    Well said.

  313. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I probably wouldn’t trade for Ordonzez either, but Nicky does have value based on his 3 years remaining on his contract.

    2010-
    Swisher: $6.75 million
    Ordonez: $18 million

    2011-
    Swisher: 9 million
    Ordonez: $12 million

    2012-
    Swisher $10.25 million club option, $1 million buyout
    Ordonez: Free Agent

    2013-
    Swisher: Free Agent

  314. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Tim,

    I think that Swisher’s impact in the clubhouse, while positive, is overexaggerated.

    I’ve heard many positive things about Jeter, CC, Burnett, Granderson, Pettitte. The chemistry is there.

    Trading Swish would kill nothing.

    I appreciate what you’re saying for sure, but I think the impact it’d have is a non-factor in the grand scheme of things.

  315. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    The Yankees are not trading Swisher, so why waste time even talking about it?

  316. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    If getting Holliday meant trading Swisher I am not so sure I would want Holliday. I do not think Holliday’s production justifies the difference in salary between him and Swish.

  317. Banjo December 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    We all make fun of Pavano, but we need to be fair.

    Johnson’s injury history is even more extensive and his injuries are just as bizarre, if not more.

  318. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    December 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    Cashman knows what he has in Swisher. Nick isn’t going anywhere.

    *****************
    Agreed.

  319. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    let’s go yankees,

    I definitely recognize Swisher’s value. Trust that I would rather see him stay in NY.

    BUT, again, my argument for trading him is strictly applicable to any signing of Matt Holliday and strictly from a financial POV.

    Do you see where I’m coming from?

  320. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    “The Yankees are not trading Swisher, so why waste time even talking about it?”
    ————————————————

    they better not. Screw with Swisher, and your screwing with team chemistry

  321. Please don't jump December 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Nick Johnson fits incredibly well into this lineup behind Jeter at the DH spot.

    Does Damon fit better? Probably. But Damon wants more than 1 year and he’s been on the verge of a serious injury for many years in New York. His style of play has caused him to miss some time in just about every year he was here. Remember the shoulder last year?

    He has broken toes and his feet. He plays. He’s a gamer. He’s about as valuable as a player can be to a team, with his steals, homeruns, rbi, OBP, all from the 2 hole.

    But he’s a risk. He’s regressing. He’s losing a step on the bases and in the field.

    Nick Johnson is a different kind of hitter, but more importantly, he’s going to cost a different kind of price. All he has to do is get on base. The rest will take care of itself.

  322. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Tim, that’s silly. Swisher belongs on the team because he’s a good player and he fits in… This idea that the Yankees chemistry is being destroyed bit by bit is ludicrous. Whenever it is that Swisher leaves, the team will be fine. That won’t be for another few years at least, so we can relax, right?

  323. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    let’s go yankees,

    “If getting Holliday meant trading Swisher I am not so sure I would want Holliday. I do not think Holliday’s production justifies the difference in salary between him and Swish.”

    I agree with you completely.

    I’ve said all along on here…the Yankees do not need Holliday.

  324. Betsy -high on pie December 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Vinny – I hope you’re kidding, lol

  325. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Looks like Milton Bradley to the Mariners for Carlos Silva.

  326. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Blake,

    Can we even imagine any other athlete saying “We had to lose (2001) – otherwise…”

    Yanks would have had the celebration party which would have detained Enrique Wilson an extra day from flying home, which would have meant he’d have been on the flight to Dominican that crashed over Queens.

    The bigger picture…

    The man’s an adept in a Yankee uniform :D. Lucky us on many counts.

  327. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    “BUT, again, my argument for trading him is strictly applicable to any signing of Matt Holliday and strictly from a financial POV.
    Do you see where I’m coming from?”
    ————————————————-

    no. Cuz then we revert back to a team full of mercenaries. An all-star and long term contract at every position. 24 cabs for 24 players. See were i’m coming from?

  328. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    “Looks like Milton Bradley to the Mariners for Carlos Silva.”

    I cannot believe any team in baseball would have any interest in Bradley.

    Bradley=Cancer cubed

  329. pat December 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    The Yankees will shift their focus to pitching –- both starters and relievers -– if they complete their deal for free-agent first baseman/DH Nick Johnson.

    Yet, the team will “not be in a hurry” to make any move, according to one source familiar with the club’s plans.

    The reason: Yankees officials believe that bargains will emerge in January and February due to the large number of free agents that still will be available.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....t-MLB-buzz

  330. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Cashman has made very astute moves the last couple of years, and the financial restraint started with the Swisher move, in my opinion. It just happened that Nady became injured and he found a full-time role as RF instead of 1B with the team.

    No, I’m not advocating trading Swisher for Ordonez, but I did want to see what the differences are in salary and also production, considering Ordonez had an off year, probably due to his wife’s diagnosis and subsequent treatment for cancer early last year.

  331. L to the 2nd December 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    If Holliday comes here, I think they trade Melky, not Swisher, in a package for a back of the rotation guy (if they don’t get Sheets or Duscherer).

  332. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Phil
    December 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    Looks like Milton Bradley to the Mariners for Carlos Silva.

    *******************
    Good. That should end the “Bradley should be a Yankee” discussion. lol

  333. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) December 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    …And the market for Damon continues to shrink

  334. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    “Vinny – I hope you’re kidding, lol”
    —————————————–

    not kidding. I believe in intagibles. Ask any player from the 2009 yankees if they believe in chemistry.

  335. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    vinny b,

    No, cuz A) I don’t want Holliday and B) Holliday would really be the only guy that would qualify as a “mercenary” and I’m not even sure that’d be applicable.

    I offered my idea for all the Holliday-hungry yahoos on this blog.

    I’ve prayed to God that they don’t sign the guy because I personally think he is overpriced and represents a want, not a need.

  336. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    “If Holliday comes here, I think they trade Melky, not Swisher, in a package for a back of the rotation guy (if they don’t get Sheets or Duscherer).”

    I’ll politely disagree for reasons stated above.

    If they sign Holliday, they need to open up financial flexibility. Melky doesn’t do that.

    God, I wish I didn’t get myself involved in all this Holliday hoorah. Terrible idea on my part.

  337. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    “I’ve prayed to God that they don’t sign the guy because I personally think he is overpriced and represents a want, not a need”
    ———————————-
    misunderstood. my bad

  338. Phil December 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Also, Bradley to Seattle means, Bay will probably be a Met. And the Mariners should have insane OF defense.

  339. Erin December 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    New post

  340. DaSaint007 December 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Damon had no chance covering capacious LF in Seattle.

  341. L to the 2nd December 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    It’s starting to look like SF or bust for Johnny.

    I guess he and Boras learned nothing from Bobby Abreu last year.

  342. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Jeff fletcher,AOL on twitter,Mariners to trade Carlos Silva to Cubs, for Milton Bradley. Bradley is a huge disruptive force in any club house. This is great, Peteabe says he was hated
    on the Cubs.

  343. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes (if you want Holliday, trade Swisher) December 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    vinny b,

    I thought you might have misunderstood…no sweat.

    Holliday is tricky and I definitely appreciate what you were saying about “mercenaries”…trying to sign an All Star every year like we did between 2004 and 2006ish. You hit the nail on the head with that, but I think we’re going in a new direction these days.

  344. Jerkface December 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Sab – You have no idea what you are talking about. Jack Z is proving to be very much the equal of the best GMs in the game. He smelled blood in the water of the AL West and is going for it. King Felix would only sign an extension if they showed they would contend, and he traded no one of great value for one of the best pitchers in the game. They still have Triunfel.

    “right-hander Phillippe Aumont, outfielder Tyson Gillies and right-hander Juan Ramirez.”

    Aumont has a degenerative hip condition and the Mariners valued him as a reliever, albeit a good one, going forward. Expendable.

    Additionally, Milton Bradley is a very good player, especially at DH, and if you think he is a clubhouse cancer you should look into Carlos Silva.

    Not only is Carlos Silva an ACTUAL clubhouse cancer (Bradley is never troubled by teammates, its others that raise his anger), but he is also terrible.

    Bradley is good at baseball. Silva is not. Silva threatened to choke out Ichiro. Bradley threw a bottle of water into the ground, argued with an umpire that called him a slur, and wanted to confront announcers who compared his troubles to drug addiction and then said he was worse than said drug addict.

    Get a clue.

  345. Jerkface December 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    a raving lunatic – regardless of where or whom his rage is addressed towards is a trouble making cancer in the clubhouse – but why take my word for it – why not read the hundreds of people that actually know more about it than me (our old friend peter A for one) – bradley has been on what 7 teams the last 8 years – THATS a mark of a good guy?

    and again from what i’ve read just about everyone wants to choke ichiro and his primadonna attitude so what silva allegedly did just about everyone else on that team probably wanted to do it –

    Milton Bradley is not a raving lunatic. That is a lie and I would no less trust the loathsome dogs of the media such as PAbe than I would a snake. One merely needs to view Milton in his year with the Rangers to see what he is. A good guy when welcomed, who has troubles with OUTSIDERS. No one on a professional baseball team has said anything about Milton Bradley and I dare you to find me quotations. I can find you plenty of quotes from black players alleging racism from the bleacher’s of wrigley. Even his own son was slurred in his school. Bradley posted a .378 OBP for the Cubs and the newspapers killed him for his every move. No one blamed Soto or Alfonso Soriano for sucking. They put the blame on Milton when he lived up to his end of the bargain with the exception of a lack of XBH.

    And then they run him out of town when he says atmosphere is negative?! Certainly if you were the focus of constant media scorn you’d think it was negative too.

    And I laugh at your defense of Carlos Silva. Ichiro does nothing to deserve the scorn of his teammates, and though you claim those same teammates must share Silva’s feelings, I doubt they share any feelings other than hatred towards Silva. When the mariners were losing Silva blamed everyone on the team other than himself. A classic clubhouse cancer move.

  346. Corey December 18th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    What is this obsession with Holliday? I really want to know why he is NEEDED on this team.

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