CC is Santa in Cali
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2009 
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CC Sabathia and his wife Amber will be playing Santa to two groups of kids in California today. There’s no word on whether CC will be dressing up – though it’d be something to see if he did – but he’s going to be greeting foster children at a Toyota dealership in Vallejo and then giving kids from his PitCCh In foundation a shopping spree at a Sports Authority in Vacaville.
Sabathia has proved to be one of the few superstars to come to New York from a smaller market and have a near-seamless transition. Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson both had their share of speed-bumps in their first years in the Bronx, but Sabathia stayed healthy, was incredibly effective and became a team leader without ever stumbling at all.
His greatest quality may have been his stability: Every time out, the Yankees could almost bank on what Sabathia would give them. Look at his game log and it’s ridiculous – in August and September he went six innings or more in 11 consecutive starts, seven innings or more in 10 of those 11. In the AL East, especially, that kind of reliability is worth plenty.
One of the first things CC (and Amber) said at the introductory press conference last year was that they were making New York their permanent home. Unlike most players, Sabathia didn’t want to be going back and forth between New York and somewhere else, and he wanted his kids to be comfortable and settled in New York. He still has family in California, though, so it’s not surprising to see him doing charity work in his hometown area.
What can we expect from Sabathia in 2010? There’s no reason to think anything less than more of the same. As the Yankees try to figure out the back end of their rotation – Joba? Hughes? Sheets? Duchscherer? – they can take comfort in knowing that they are one of the few teams with a genuine rock-solid ace at the front.
CC is the man
Always nice to give back. As far as the backend of the rotation, maybe trade for Johnson from the Marlins?
Carlos Zambrano contract:
10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M
Nick Swisher contract:
10: 6.75M, 11:9M + 1M 2012 buyout
Total added salary 56.25M/4 years of Zambrano = 14M/year
I’ve been working.. what’s all this Zambrano talk, they aren’t considering taking on that contract are they?
CC is such a nice addition to the Yanks.
Not only his outstanding pitching, but he is a great teammate and influence to others in the clubhouse. We already had that with Jeter & MO, but adding a character guy like CC adds even more.
no way is Zambrano coming to New York. Im sure Cashman is looking at all options before landing Sheets or Duchscherer. He wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t snoop around
Too much money on Z’s contract
CC’s biggest assets are his size, rubber arm[like David Wells], his level headedness and his ability to throw strikes with an assortment of excellent pitches.
Anyway thought some of you would enjoy this article focusing on the statistical analysis of Curtis Granderson.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....big_w.html
One other thing to consider…if the Yanks WERE thinking of taking on Zambrano’s contract, then you KNOW they arent yet out on Holliday. The more days pass without Holliday signing elsewhere, the “cheaper” he becomes to the Yanks…
CC is one kewl peep
my fave yanks:
Rivera
Girardi
Pettitte
Granderson
CC
I hope CC dresses up-it would be a riot to see him a Santa costume!
edit: *in* a Santa costume
Zambrano’s numbers have been steadily dropping as his injuries and weight go up. The Cubs would have to eat Zambrano’s weight in $100 bills for NYY to take him on.
I met CC when he was in rookie ball in burlington NC. A friend of mine was playing there also and he introduced me and said that I probably wanted to get this guys autograph because he was going to be a star one day. I just remember how huge he was (and he was much thinner then) and also how nice and genuine he seemed. He’s a great pitcher and a great guy to cheer for.
Mike RI-
Have to agree that Yankees are not absorbing, nor should they, absorb Zambrano’s contract.
If they’re interested in one of Gardner or Cabrera, an even salary trade with the starting pitcher rich Cubs, might be rookie 27 yo Randy Wells for Brett Gardner.
Does anyone know and have a link to what the actual current salary is[I've heard anywhere from 180-195 million], that is being used by the Yankee brass, to get a better feel for what might be available to add and keep at just under 200 million?
blake
December 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am
I met CC when he was in rookie ball in burlington NC. A friend of mine was playing there also and he introduced me and said that I probably wanted to get this guys autograph because he was going to be a star one day. I just remember how huge he was (and he was much thinner then) and also how nice and genuine he seemed. He’s a great pitcher and a great guy to cheer for.
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blake, that’s awesome. I’m so jealous that you got to meet him!!
DVR alert: Johnny Damon hosts WWE Raw tonight 9pm on USA. http://bit.ly/5QzclO
“I hope CC dresses up-it would be a riot to see him a Santa costume!”
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perfect santa clause : )
GB7-
You’re out of prison now-right? Did you get any sleep last night, blogging into the wee hours with PatM? Were you blogging from Hooters?
Wanted to wish you a speedy recovery and a Happy and Healthy New Year!!
repost:
Thanks fellas. Guess Bedard’s behind even Wang then.
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CC is great to kids wherever he is. Good job.
I don’t want to have to do what we did to CC in the playoffs last year, go to him on 3 days rest. He was clearly feeling the effects by the time he faced the Phillies – even though, for most pitchers, those would be considered very good starts.
I’m crossing my fingers that Joba and Phil develop like we hope because they could be mainstays in our rotation for years.
“DVR alert: Johnny Damon hosts WWE Raw tonight 9pm on USA”
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ooohh i can’t wait. not.
Erin, like I said it was a long time ago when he was just getting started. I do remember him being really nice and personable though.
Carlos Zambrano contract:
10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M
Nick Swisher contract:
10: 6.75M, 11:9M + 1M 2012 buyout
Kei Igawa contract:
10: 4M
Total added salary 52.25M/4 years of Zambrano = 13M/year
Yankee Trader
December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
GB7-
You’re out of prison now-right? Did you get any sleep last night, blogging into the wee hours with PatM? Were you blogging from Hooters?
Wanted to wish you a speedy recovery and a Happy and Healthy New Year!!
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Thanks, trader. Yeah, I’ve been sprung. My gun moll smuggled me out.
My brother drove up and I’m at his home outside of Ft. Myers, FL. I’m wanting to go to Hooter’s but, have to keep away from germy people right now. Also, I may be hazardous to the waitresses health.
Cashman has been quoted as saying he expects to sign a pitcher before New Years. Strangely there does not seem to be any strong rumors out there pointing to one specific player. One quote today quoted a Yankee official that Sheets is not even on their board. And the free agent list gets pretty weak quickly so is there another trade in the works? The Yankees have a surplus of young infielders on their 40 man list, a lot of young pitchers in the minors and perhaps an outfielder who could be traded so what could a decent package get in return? By decent I mean players like Melky, Pena and one of the following – Albaladejo, Christian Garcia or Noesi all of whom are on the 40 man list. Three of the five have major league experience and two most likely will see some major league playing time this year.
I realize that is not the strongest list they could offer but they are looking for a number 4 starter, someone who can provide innings and keep them in a ball game. I hope they would not have to offer more than a package of 3 of the above 5 to get a solid starter back.
CC has been a great addition. I was so wrong to be hesitant for the Yankees to pursue him.
Repost on 5th spot for Yankees in 2009:
Overall, the Yankees got a .781 OPS from the 5th spot with 32 homers and 101 rbi on the year. Matsui was good for nearly half those homers (15) and RBI (48) and posted an .850 OPS hitting 5th. This means in the 100 games Matsui did not hit 5th the Yankees got a fairly pedestrian 17 homers and 53 RBI with an OPS below .750.
thanks for the kind thoughts and sentiment’s Trader. Much appreciated.
Yankeetrader:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjJy1Bmwcyr_dGpwTzlEYzdVWnRVQ2toZlYwRDJHTHc&hl=en
I put this together, and is a very good estimate of where we stand currently.
I’m sending the PacMan over to Matt Holliday’s house to knock some sense into him !
I wanted to make it a fair fight though so I told Manny to tie one hand behind his back.
Also, i didn’t want him hurtin Matt too bad.
Frank
December 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Repost on 5th spot for Yankees in 2009:
Overall, the Yankees got a .781 OPS from the 5th spot with 32 homers and 101 rbi on the year. Matsui was good for nearly half those homers (15) and RBI (48) and posted an .850 OPS hitting 5th. This means in the 100 games Matsui did not hit 5th the Yankees got a fairly pedestrian 17 homers and 53 RBI with an OPS below .750.
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One reason is that Jorge put up a shockingly poor .177/.260/.354 in 127 PAs batting fifth. Everyone remembers Cano’s struggles with RISP, and that’s absolutely true, but he raked enough in non-RISP situations to manage .299/.318/.477 in the fifth spot.
AeroFANatic-
Thanks for the info. Do you think the Yankee brass is focusing on the AAV which brings the total to nearly 192 million? Also Igawa is not on the 40 man roster. Would that make a difference as to that figure?
In real current dollars raises for Jeter, Cano and Swisher are adding about 6.5M to the payroll, plus the arbitration eligible players will get raises-Cabrera, Gaudin, Mitre.
Forget the budget !
The Yankees credit card aint maxed out yet !
Hal even said so.
“The Cubs would have to eat Zambrao’z weight in $100 bills for NYY to take him on.”
Probably still wouldn’t do it.
A bill weighs roughly a gram.
28 grams in an ounce X 16 ounces per pound = 448 100$ bills
Which is 44,800$ /per pound
Zambrano is listed at 250 but lets just say he’s 300.
That’s 13,440,000$$ / probably not enough.
Bronx-
you need to be much more serious about your work here, or you’re gonna get penalized !
But if the Cubs took Swisher and Igawa, the cost of Zambrano is 13 mil per year for 4 years and he’s 28.
Also, for 2010, he costs 7 million if you subtract Swisher and Igawa’s 2010 salaries from Zambrano’s.
After the Yankees sign Holliday, they’ll easily have 7 million to spare for 2010.
The Cubs would probably want an ‘A’ prospect in the deal as well.
Yankee Trader -
That is a good question about Igawa not being on the 40. If he is not, does that count towards the AAV in terms of luxury tax? If NOT, the Yanks sit around 187million and within the “Holiday Zone” if he would agree to a somewhat of a backloaded deal.
If not, pitching will be the play.
And yes, the Yankees consider the AAV the payroll and not the actual per year prices.
MTU
Are you at liberty to disclose what all the covert posts were last thursday. I got as for as you and possibly Nick in SF thought that the Freemasons working in concert with the Illuminati have decreed that Holliday will be a Yankee.
I’m sending the PacMan over to Matt Holliday’s house to knock some sense into him !
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Good idea!!! Have Pacman tell him to take the Cardinals offer…we don’t want him.
If the Yankees want Holliday and a pitcher and stay under 200 million they’re going to have to be creative and probably trade Swisher away for prospects.
Sign Holliday with a signing bonus spread out over two years, as the only salary relief we’ll have is possibly Pettitte,[expect Rivera to return] for a run at Lee for 2011.
Cubs want Gardner or Cabrera and have a surplus of starting pitching. Make a revenue neutral trade of Gardner for Randy Wells, a 27 yo righty pitcher who had a good year.
Then you have Holliday in left, Granderson in center, and Cabrera in right, with Hoffmann as 4th OF’er who apparently is above average at all OF positions.
Could this work?????
“But if the Cubs took Swisher and Igawa”
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the Cubs don’t need Igawa. Unless they want to do that boat/splash thing in Lake Michigan, like they do in San Francisco
Of course the Cubs don’t ‘need’ Igawa. If they’re motivated to move Zambrano’s contract, they will have to eat salary in the form of a player. They can’t trade Zambrano’s contract without taking on salary. So, how motivated are they to move Zambrano? I really don’t know. It’s a big contract.
Cant wait…Meeting CC tonight at his Toys for Tots toy drive.
Uncle-
Since i am trying to fill in for Nick, and since you seem to be hooked on mysteries.
I’ll give you a hint.
But I am under Dr.’s orders not be serious until Matt signs so it have to be just a clue.
Our cryptic dialogue was for me based on a certain TV show which shall remain nameless.
The poster’s name bears a strong resemblance to the show.
That is as much as I am allowed to reveal for the present time.
Whats up fellas.
Whats all this Zambrano talk about? Is this a rumor or something a poster threw against the wall?
I’d just like to say that Zambrano is about as awful of an idea as you might find in a starting pitcher via trade.
Maybe we’re a nice matchup with their interest in Melky/Gardner, but Z is the epitome of a headcase and he’d be eaten alive in NY.
Yankees GM Brian Cashman will “almost certainly add a starter by New Year’s,” reports Mike Puma of the New York Post. Puma notes that the Yanks inquired on the Cubs’ Carlos Zambrano, but did not like the asking price. Zambrano has a full no-trade clause and is well-paid – $53.75MM over the next three years.
A few other names to consider from our trade market post: Derek Lowe, Aaron Harang, and Gil Meche (we’re unsure on the availability of Meche). Another interesting name could be Jeremy Bonderman, given his $12.5MM salary for 2010. Note that the Yankees have not been connected to these four in trade rumors; we’re just speculating. And there is the small question of whether the team has $10MM+ in payroll space for a veteran starter.
Puma finds a free agent addition more likely for the Yankees; his speculative targets are Jason Marquis, Joel Pineiro, and Ben Sheets. However, Ken Davidoff of Newsday talked to “a person in the Yankees’ loop” who said Sheets is “not even on the board” currently. Pineiro’s contract demands remain steep, and you have to wonder whether a low-strikeout National League lifer like Marquis offers anything over Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin. The rest of the free agent market is not terribly appealing.
Bottom line: Puma expects Cashman to add a starter in the next eleven days, but we have no idea who that will be.
MLBTR
LOL all those options are hideous – Mike Puma should avoid speculating from now on as he’s lousy at it.
Zambrano is a NY Post rumor.
Cashman inquired about him so perhaps he suspects the Cubs want/need payroll relief.
Zambrano’s got a big contract.
If Cashman has him as a target, Cash must be looking to move contract(s) to the Cubs in any proposal.
As for prospects, I think Zambrano commands 1 ‘A’ prospect.
So that’s why I proposed Swisher (after signing Holliday), Igawa and an ‘A’ prospect.
Zambrano @ 13 million is a decent deal.
The Yankees would bolster the top of the rotation and keep Montero, Hughes and Joba.
Prince-
You got that wrong !
Knowing Big Z.
The other person might get eaten alive !
Yankee Trader,
I suggested the Swisher trade if we sign Holliday last week and people on here weren’t having it at all.
Fact is if they want Holliday, trading Swisher is the most logical domino to fall either right before or right after.
I for one think Holliday is a mistake in every way.
Strategy Alert !
Cash signs another starter = pressure on Holliday. GOOD.
Hey Matt better make your move because I just signalled you we have OTHER ways to go. OTHER options.
Are you feelin’ me Matt.
Fact is if they want Holliday, trading Swisher is the most logical domino to fall either right before or right after.
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Possibly. If they sign Holliday and keep Swisher though, they’d have multiyear commitments to every single position player on the team.
Is that a wise move, even if you’re the Yankees?
OK MTU
I’ll start following with that in mind.
Of course the Cubs don’t ‘need’ Igawa.
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Does anybody really “need” Igawa?
I for one think Holliday is a mistake in every way.
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Thank you, I agree totally. For this yearlets invest in one more pitcher (starter or reliever) and save the big buck$ for next year’s free agent class.
Matt Holliday reminds me of Jason Giambi…lotsa power but little defense. I don’t believe that he is a winner. Lets passover Matt this holliday.
Cahman is not just a great big game hunter. He is great Bargain hunter as well.
FA’s
Salary Dumps
?
The man has his ways.
Trading Swisher still makes no sense to me. I don’t want Melky as a starter period…..the whole idea of obtaining Holliday is to strengthen the lineup; getting rid of Swisher doesn’t do that. If the Yankees budget is such that they have to jump through hoops to sign Holliday, then forget it……and that would be disappointing. It seems that a WS title didn’t do much to loosen up the pursestrings. In any case, the Yankees love Swisher – there’s no reason to get rid of him.
M1Kew, there’s no point in trading for a #4 pitcher and using up valuable assets from the minors; I’d much rather chance it with Joba and Phil.
I don’t know guys…I’m not buying Lost in Holliday as legit. He was talking up last Friday and the weekend as a big day where news would come out re: Holliday and nothing did.
Then he went into the whole Cal Ripken was Holliday’s favorite player which I assumed meant he was seriously considering Baltimore.
While the Yankees should sign Holliday I’m not feeling they are now.
The Johnny Damon roadblock of giving him a chance to find a landing place before engaging Holliday has been cleared since the Yankees have officially (sort of) moved on from Damon.
There’s nothing stopping them from just wrapping him up and putting him under our tree.
I still don’t know why he’s not signed. It makes no sense. Either Boras has mystery teams involved or he’s just sitting there waiting for one to develop.
I can’t believe he’s doing nothing as at some point the Cards are going to get ticked off in a big way and move on and then where does Holliday go?
While it seems like it could be to the Yankees, I’m starting to get doubtful of that fact.
MTU,
Good point.
He certainly loves his Chicago dogs.
For all we know, Boras and his team of lawyers are combing a Yankees contract for Holliday right now – and Matt Holliday is preparing for a briefing with Boras, followed by a final signature shortly thereafter.
With Xmas around the corner, you want to know where you’re living and working so you can make family arrangements and talk about life in a way that induces comfort and the security of knowing something about the future.
G. Love-
I thought that too.
I’m still thinking our firend is gonna come through.
The is still ticking and the game is still in play.
When the clock runs out then we’ll see the truth.
One way or another.
Only toasters come with Guarantees.
Betsy,
I think the sign Holliday trade Swisher thing is more of a financial issue than anything else.
I don’t know why people are so down on Melky as a 9 hole hitter and or RF. He does just fine on defense…he’s not spectacular, but he hits like .270, has some speed, a decent arm, and is a switch hitter.
If you take on a $18 million contract in Holliday, cutting loose Swisher makes sense financially, otherwise this alleged budget BS is just that, BS.
lol you guys are trading away igawa and swisher now, because holiday is such a lock…?
it gets better every freakin day…
The Holliday’s will arrive.
It is certain.
G. Love-
Think of it as your faith being tested.
Are we worthy to receive.
A few BIG bucks wouldn’t hurt things.
Battle of the Titans sort of thing. test of wills. Game of chicken. Mexican standoff ………..
What the hell happened to that early Holliday gift this weekend? I had my milk and cookies ready and i got left eating them myself. Lost, you got some essplaining to do.
G.Love
I think that was the same Lost in. I can’t remember what came out Friday, but I think that he alluded to the fact that what he thought would come out over the weekend already came out.
I still think we’re getting Holliday. Why, other than to create misdirectio would we be floating this “another starter by New Year’s” line of bs?
So I watched a few movies this weekend:
Lost in Yonkers
The Insider
Holiday Inn
S.O.S.
What are YOU doing ?
Dont piss him off !
Penalty box for you. Five minutes.
G. Love,
You’re surprised that a Boras client isn’t signed?
He’s the king of waiting people out…I’m not surprised at all. Revisit Manny Ramirez.
Damon is a fool. He really blew it. He’ll sign somewhere and he’ll probably get more than he’s really worth, but he really screwed up with the Yankees.
Oh, and for all of you who think any team will take on Igawa, you’re crazy. That guy is useless and every team in baseball knows it.
Uncle-
You forgot one.
Sleepless in St. Louis !
GLove, I never believed the Yankees would sign Holliday – they don’t want him. Despite the fact that we won the WS, we are not taking advantage of it in terms of using revenue. Plus a criticism I have of Cash would be that it seems he enjoys working with less $$ – he enjoys the idea of being creative, even if just signing a player who appears to be a right fit is the obvious move. Of course, I can’t really blame them – the Yanks already have too many big contracts and they are going to have to pay Jeter and Mo as if they are 25 year olds. Signing Holliday gives them zero flexibility – they barely have it as is.
Betsy,
Lies. All lies.
Mad Prince, it just makes no sense – we’d be losing a good player who is quite productive. My point is this – if the Yankees have to go on the cheap that badly, then just don’t sign Holliday; it makes no sense.
MTU,
Did i say something wrong? Is it the high sticking or the slashing that earned me the spot at the box?
Piss you off? Are you related to Lost?
can we addd BOILER ROOM to that list of movies.
Phil the Thrill,
Probably because we need a starter more than we need an overpriced LF.
I hope all of you realize that probably 95% of this rumor junk is false fluff created by the NY Post and whoever else in some effort to uncover some secret plot of Brian Cashman so that whoever starts the rumor can get credit for a scoop.
Why do you think Heyman throws out numerous nuggets of dog feces that never shake out?
More lies.
And another.
“The Glimmer Man”.
and another.
Enter the Ninja
And another.
The Bridge over the River Kwai.
That’s as far as I can go.
Dr.’s Orders. gotta stay light.
S.O.S-
Yes.
LOST soul.
Don’t want Holliday and his $16-18MM AAV contract for boucoup years.
Don’t see the need to trade Swisher.
Don’t see why a 24 year old OF named Melky, who hit 13HR/68RBI/.274 and who currently makes under $2MM can’t play LF for another season.
Saint-
There’s a lot ways to make a good salad.
Then it was…
The Kid From Left Field
and
Oklahoma!
Any team interested in Holliday should just wait it out.
If the Cardinals sign him? That’s fine.
If they pull out, then his price falls big time.
If that happens, it’s bargain shopping instead of shopping at premium prices.
MTU-
Yes, and salad gets old quickly. Right now the team has an under 30 OF.
Bret, I admit I am naive – I believe what is in front of me and to me, there’s no evidence the Yanks are in for Holliday. I’m so all over the map, to be honest, lol. I like Melky a lot as a 4th OF, but he’s not a starter…..if a player goes down, our lineup is going to be weakened as is. With Melky in the lineup, it’s even weaker. We need a LF, I’m not interested in Carl Crawford and Holliday fits the bill. ON the other hand, this team is burdened with long-term, expensive contracts – do we really want another one? I change my mind every hour, it seems.
I go from sometimes thinking our pitching is not good enough to thinking that we could really have something if Joba and Phil do well.
I like mine with all the Holliday fixin’s.
You like yours with Pitcher’s of milk.
It’s all good.
Can we be seeing players doing the Favre impression and not signing till the season starts? Or where they miss most of spring training? It just seems like a lot of players arent blinking more than any other year i can remember.
Uncle-
The wizard of Oz
and
The Matrix
Agree with SJ.
If the price falls to bargain basement, say $15MM/annually, I’d do it. But if he’s insistent on $18+MM/annually – no way.
Can’t see why the Metsies prefer Bay to Holliday though. Not considering their LF dimensions.
“He was clearly feeling the effects by the time he faced the Phillies – even though, for most pitchers, those would be considered very good starts.”
What is 7 innings 2 ER’s considered for CC then? That was his line from game one.
pass on any Swisher trade. Teams win world series, not players. Damon is already departed. No need to further interfere with chemistry.
on that note, the Cardinals should sign Johnny Damon. They are a great franchise (2nd only to the Yankees) however i believe they are in over their head with Holliday. If signing Holliday they contradict their normal profit/business model and risk losing Pujols
The guy behind the guy behind the guy
Swingers
New words for our vocabulary:
1 Abreuized
2 Damonated
Do you know their meanings ?
Vinny-
Keep the pressure on !
If Sheets is too high a risk then look for the Yankees to work a trade for a pitcher. I think they will be looking for another guy that could either start or relieve like Goudan.
Phil and Joba are ready to stick or not in the rotation. They will get a shot in 2010 and don’t be surpised to see one or both of them win 12-15games.
Gardy is probably the guy that gets traded, not Melky. Melky is going to get a raise in pay that will make him less attractive.
I would not be surpised if the Yankees top any offer Wang gets. If his next checkup looks good, he’s going to get signed before the new year. I think the Yankees should give him a 1 year 1mil ML deal with insentives to 6mil.
Cant we just go back to our Dynasty years where we sprinkled some Brosious and Curtis’s to our team and still won championships? Pitching wins championship. Lets go get a whale instead. No not Zambrano.
S.O.S
I’ve got one Whale of a DEAL for you.
Better than the kind with the spouts !
Free Willy?
Seriously, what are Bay & Holliday waiting for?
Their lone offers to get pulled?
Because that’s what any other interested team is waiting for.
Beningo sounds like he really wants to say..
This f……g defense!!!!
anybody ever see a movie with Marlon Brando called “Last Tango in Paris” ?
Dance Cash. Dance.The musics gonna stop soon. Dont stop now.
you’re great at it. Light on your feet. quick with your spins.
graceful all the way.
I think this whole thing with Holliday is actually fun to watch.
I do think he would make the team better, and would welcome him as a member of the Yankees.
I do not think he is as needed as Teixeira was last season. Teixeira being signed had the additional benefit of Boston being left out in the cold and it set their plans back a good deal.
Holliday signing with a club other than the Cards might be the push Pujols needs to go to FA. Imagine the bidding for him!
I don’t see the reasoning behind waiting till next season to go after Crawford. Maybe someone can explain the logic behind Crawford being better than Holliday and coming a year later. With some talent in the farm system that is a couple years away for the outfield, the Yankees can either make a trade, like they did with Granderson, or they can sign a FA in order to upgrade.
I understand that Crawford can steal bases. That is his biggest asset. And what else? Fielding? Seems overall Holliday and Crawford aren’t that different in what they can do there. Holliday has higher power numbers.
Holliday can hit 5th backing up Alex. Crawford is a table setter, but doesn’t like to bat leadoff.
With the market today, Holliday’s salary isn’t as high as it could be, and probably should be. Next year, who knows. Crawford could command a higher salary due to timing.
The pitching market looks pretty slim. FA’s aren’t that impressive, and aren’t an upgrade over Hughes and Joba other than having more time in. That leaves trades as a possible, and the best ones will come with some problem. Either salary or recent injury or they struggled last season.
Mad Prince,
Joba and Phil are better than Melky, but putting that aside for a moment, why would the Yankees say they want one by New Year’s? Prices will be lower after New Year’s. It doesn’t make any sense unless it was said for misdirection. There’s a great leftfielder readily available, there are not great, healthy starter available.
Brandon how was “Raising Helen”?
If Holliday is signed, I’m ok with that. Do I think it’s necessary? No, not at all, but I’m not the GM. If he comes on board I’ll support him wholeheartedly.
But I’ll be just as supportive of Melky in LF if it doesn’t happen. He’s proven to be clutch many times last season, and that only portends good things for his development still at the age of 24. He’s not far from 20HR,80RBI,.280 AVG, 20 SB, and I think he could achieve that this year. What a bargain he would be therefore in LF.
That bad eh? I need to see it soon.
“I still don’t know why he’s not signed. It makes no sense. Either Boras has mystery teams involved or he’s just sitting there waiting for one to develop.”
Boras is waiting to see if he can find that “one dumb owner.” That’s what is most likley going on.
The context for these current negotiations is very important because they likely set Holliday’s expectations.
Holliday turned down a 4yr/82M deal from the Rockies. I’m sure Boras advised him to do that in order to test free agency.
Holliday was traded twice in order to protect his opportunity to try to get a better deal than 4/82M.
And now the best offer Holliday has is for 5/85. That is a remarkable loss of financial opportunity.
This is arguably going down as one of the worst cliet situations Boras has ever handled.
I’d guess Boras has been talking to Holliday about getting him a deal like Tex got last year – in an awful economy. Definitely something better than what the vastly inferior Soriano got.
And the market just hasn’t developed where there is any competition for his services.
So all this leaves Boras with is the hope that one owner will get desperate for some reason and then start to bid against himself.
So the issue right now is how much risk do Holliday and Boras want to accept in terms of opportunity cost (e.g. the cards pulling their offer) vs. the potential upside of waiting to find a that “one dumb owner.”
I think that’s the dynamic going on right now.
So it’s a waiting game right now.
And the yankees are waiting to see how Boras and Holliday make their decisions.
Card tricks.
Magic.
How is done ?
Make you see what I want you to see. Not what’s really happening.
Misdirection.
Keepin the Ole surpise element so to speak.
We can have it IF we want it.
Gonna find out.
Betsy,
“Mad Prince, it just makes no sense – we’d be losing a good player who is quite productive. My point is this – if the Yankees have to go on the cheap that badly, then just don’t sign Holliday; it makes no sense.”
Exactly. I am not into Holliday at all because of the cost.
CB: you nailed it
MTU
December 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
anybody ever see a movie with Marlon Brando called “Last Tango in Paris”
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I haven’t, but that makes me think of the Seinfeld episode where George says he’s never seen it and Jerry says “too bad, it was erotic” lol
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
That bad eh? I need to see it soon.
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Uncle E, why torture yourself?
Erin-
LOL.
Alert !
Basic law of Physics. Which means ALL things.
Apply enough pressure to an object an it cracks.
Get my drift ?
Even the ice in Antartica is subject to it.
Surely ……..
I think there is no way Swisher is traded for ‘financial relief’, thats ridiculous. The Yankees don’t do salary dumps for quality players. The only way they trade Swisher is if they get a significant component back and it wouldn’t be a reliever.
Cash is too smart to trade a solid position player for a reliever.
Uncle E, why torture yourself?
I “love” bad movies plus I can’t really sit here and tell people it stinks without having endured it. I’m sure I’ve seen worse it will be a cake walk (or a pie walk).
Oh BTW Santa Claus Conquers the Martians was on this weekend – it was bad but nearly as bad as Christmas with the Kranks
Card tricks.
Magic.
How is done ?
Make you see what I want you to see. Not what’s really happening.
Misdirection.
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I get it. Sort of like the PRESTIGE.
Cash stop hitting everyone with your oversized LEVERAGE machine it aint exactly fair to the competition.
They might just succumb to it’s power.
Wouldn’t want to be them.
“I think there is no way Swisher is traded for ‘financial relief’, thats ridiculous. The Yankees don’t do salary dumps for quality players. The only way they trade Swisher is if they get a significant component back and it wouldn’t be a reliever.
Cash is too smart to trade a solid position player for a reliever”
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word. Unlike the majority of the site, who want the Bronx Travelling All-stars. Cashman knows chemistry matters
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Uncle E, why torture yourself?
I “love” bad movies plus I can’t really sit here and tell people it stinks without having endured it. I’m sure I’ve seen worse it will be a cake walk (or a pie walk).
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In that case you should also check out “Fool’s Gold” if you haven’t already. I didn’t think she could make a worse movie than “Raising Helen”. I was wrong.
And I agree-Christmas with the Kranks was awful.
Prestige applies pressure.
And tradition applies pressure
And greatness applies pressure
And Monuments applies pressure
And TIME applies pressure too.
Albert you better get on that phone, or the above might take hold.
I read yesterday that the Marlins made an offer to Chapman. Anyone know what the offer was?
Jerkface, Swisher is a big calming presence in that locker room for some, in many ways, he is what Damon was to that Red Sox locker room, plus how much 5 – 6 mil for 20/90 potentially 30/90? …that’s a bargain where I’m from.
“I read yesterday that the Marlins made an offer to Chapman. Anyone know what the offer was?”
Cashman is LOL’ing somewhere.
“Fool’s Gold”
alright, alright, alright. M. McConaghey
Blake-
If you’re out there.
Time to get that Horse BACK to the barn, and break him!
Swisher is also basically the epitome of what I would consider ‘Cash guys’.
- Versatile, can play every OF position below average to above average
- Patient
- Powerful
- Outgoing & Community friendly
- Dedicated and hard worker, willing to put in time to improve
Basically Cashman is assembling teams that are powerful, patient, and fun to be around. It seems like he is going after a lot of ‘character’ types, as I’m sure there were other options besides Hinske and Hairston Jr, but those guys fit his bill.
It could also just be that the players available the past few years were high character types
Boras better hope for some brain trauma because I don’t see the owners getting any dumber at this point in the game.
Generally potential buyers get shrewder as time goes on.
Squeeze play.
Force him in.
Steal home Cash.
Tighten the noose. The trap is set.
Dont let him get away.
You know you want him. Bucko.
“Oh, Cashman loved geology. I guess it appealed to his meticulous nature. An ice age here, million years of mountain building there. Geology is the study of pressure and time. That’s all it takes really, pressure, and time.”
SOS – I believe it was actually below Boston’s offer from some months ago.
Boston was around 15.5 and I think the Marlins were around 13.5.
MTU: what in the helll are you talkin about? : )
Another new word for the vocabulary;
Not Teammates but Texmates.
Has a nice ring to it doesn’t ?
Betsy -high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Bret, I admit I am naive – I believe what is in front of me and to me, there’s no evidence the Yanks are in for Holliday.
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Betsy,
I’ll put the answer in the form of a question, like you love to do.
What evidence would a stealthy Cashman have to give? Or would evidence give it away?
Fangraphs has their draft review of the Yanks posted, pretty decent read.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....ft-review/
“I “love” bad movies plus I can’t really sit here and tell people it stinks without having endured it. I’m sure I’ve seen worse it will be a cake walk (or a pie walk).”
Wait …you like crappy movies? I’m only doing this b/c I made a promise that if her bf at the time played like a clutch MVP and won the WS I’d watch EVERY FREAKIN’ movie she’s ever been in, this is painful, I never knew she played so many annoying characters. Literally other than via bet the only way I’d watch these movies again is if I were told I’d get a threesome or laid during the viewing.
Vinny-
I am required to keep things lite. Sending a message to Cash.
And a word of encouragement. that’s all.
fangraphs = very intelligent
jon heyman = not soo intelligent
I think Bay’s camp is waiting for Holliday to sign hoping that whoever loses out on Holliday will overpay for Bay at this point.
Bay does not want to be a Met but will probably end up one and it will be another team killing Omar move in Met history. If players don’t want to play for your team in your park, it’s time to develop players who just want to make the team and have loyalty to the organization.
I’m not surprised Boras is dragging this out. I just have my doubts at this point about Holliday playing LF for us next year.
I’m starting to think that Hal and Cashman desperately want to keep the payroll under 200 million so they can shut up the critics, not to mention stay w/in 20 million of Boston.
Speaking of Sleepless in Seatle(never saw it) and bad acting. Just saw Proof of Life with Meg Ryan. She looked like she was related to Keanu Reeves and walked like a cowboy with splinters in the rear. Aweful. One thing for sure, she’s going to be watching the academy awards on her couch.
Uncle-
You sir. are on it Like a Laser. Thanks for the help.
Brandon I prefer good movies.
I’m glad you are stickin to your pledge
Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE watching “Raising Helen” is not what dreams are made of!)
December 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Wait …you like crappy movies? I’m only doing this b/c I made a promise that if her bf at the time played like a clutch MVP and won the WS I’d watch EVERY FREAKIN’ movie she’s ever been in, this is painful, I never knew she played so many annoying characters. Literally other than via bet the only way I’d watch these movies again is if I were told I’d get a threesome or laid during the viewing.
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Brandon, what did you think of Fool’s Gold? Painful, right?
Hey, you guys remeber this one:
“Hey Scott, who’s your Daddy ? ”
Pedro might rememeber also.
Re-post from last thread
GB7 – My dad quit smoking 2 packs of unfiltered Pall Malls a day (for 35+ years) when he was 55 years old. If he hadn’t quit then, he wouldn’t have survived the series of operations he needed at 58 to repair the damage smoking had already done his major arteries. He’s 79 now. Good luck w/quitting. It could add 25 years to your life.
five iron,
Why am i not surprised. That sounds like the Marlins. Someone forgot to tell them its the highest bid that wins. They are of the thought that its location location location. Take a pay cut for better weather.
S.o.S.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Speaking of Sleepless in Seatle(never saw it) and bad acting. Just saw Proof of Life with Meg Ryan. She looked like she was related to Keanu Reeves and walked like a cowboy with splinters in the rear. Aweful. One thing for sure, she’s going to be watching the academy awards on her couch.
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She’s been watching from her couch for a long time now.
And I hope the Cards, and Boras are gonna get to find out too.
Besides the good guys ALWAYS win !
Shawshank.
Got it.
What in the hell was it even about? Give me ….. break Tess/Finn, Finn is a treasure, Tess is his wife, she can’t stand him b/c he’s immature, they get together to look for some f’n treasure lost at sea…my god they actually let someone produce this movie, how did it make it past film fest? HOW!?
Fate
destiny wears pinsripes
Luckiest man on earth- Matt Holliday. If he wants to try to join.
There are always room for more.
Come on down Matt.
Pick the right door.
Holliday hurt himself in Oakland. He had a bad month which confirmed (for people that don’t understand sample sizes) that he can’t hit outside of Coors.
Teixeira played well in Atlanta and Anaheim “proving” that his numbers weren’t a fluke from playing in Texas.
I also think Tex is more of an impact on defense, despite Holliday’s good numbers in LF. I think Boras misread the market on Holliday and maybe thought the Yankees would go crazy for him.
I wish I could be dissapointed and still walk away with $85 million+
Uncle-
we might have to go in another direction if the Physics doesn’t work soon.
Or the Geology
Or the Hands of a surgeon approach.
For now, the snare is set, and it awaits the rabitt’s entry.
gentle until the final moment so as to not alert the Rabitt as to what might happen.
The Yankees are working on another ‘big acquisition,’ from what I have been told by people close to their front office. I have no idea who it is, or if it’s close, but, for the Mets sake, I’m hoping it’s a trade. I can’t even imagine what will happen to the Mets if the Yankees sign either Bay or Holliday. Yikes. That could force St. Louis and Citi Field in to an absolute scramble for whomever the Yankees didn’t sign… and so, I wonder if that is what Bay and Holliday are holding out hope for.
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/1.....ng-bluffs/
vinny b,
“word. Unlike the majority of the site, who want the Bronx Travelling All-stars. Cashman knows chemistry matters”
not that I think chemistry would be a particularly huge issue with the present team with the loss of Swish, I’d agree that keeping Swish is a much better idea than trading him and signing Holliday.
and for those of you who misinterpreted my statement about trading Swish as being a salary dump (Jerkface), I didn’t suggest that. but I would suggest that a Holliday signing makes Swisher expendable from both an offensive and defensive perspective in this scenario. Bottom line is we do not need the guy with a Holliday signing and the Yankees can get some value in return for him if it ever came to that.
Again, I vote for keeping Swish and not going after Holliday. In fact, I’m THE BIGGEST anti-Holliday personality out there
MTU
Careful. If Matt reads your posts , you might scare him away.
“I wish I could be dissapointed and still walk away with $85 million+”
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no kidding. He must be devastated
Brandon;
nice to see you back from your journey of watching all of Kate Hudson’s movies.
GLove, that would REALLY annoy me if Cash and Hal cared that much about what others thought. If that’s the case, all of baseball and the Sox scored a major coup. Annoyed? I would be very angry if they caved in.
Bad movies? Big Budget Bombs? Try “Heaven’s Gate” or “Ishtar.” For something lighter, cheaper, more athletic, try “The Other Sister.” For your convenience, I submit this one line summary from imdb:
[A mentally retarded girl proves herself to be every bit as capable as her "perfect" sister when she moves into an apartment and begins going to college.]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123209/
Juliette Lewis and Giovanni Ribisi star in the “what was I thinking” roles of their careers.
Remember “Tropic Thunder”? In that movie about making a movie, they reference still a third movie, one the Ben Stiller character made called “Simple Jack.” It was about a cognitively challenged young man (with buck teeth and a Shemp haircut!) triumphing over his challenges.
In Tropic Thunder, The Robert Downey Jr. character talks to the Ben Stiller character in a hilariously cynical exchange about Hollywood and movies about mentally challenged people. Downey Jr’s character tells Stiller’s character that the mistake he made in Simple Jack was “going full retard. The Academy doesn’t like full retard.”
Suffice to say that “The Other Sister” made the same mistake and man, it is abysmally bad.
Mick, no buzz from the usual rumormongers……
mad prince: i feel you, bro
MTU
I’m glad I’m helping even though I don’t know how or why.
Excellent article in St. Louis today about the Holliday standoff.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod.....enDocument
If you read the comments, most of the fans want to sign DeRosa and move on.
“The Yankees are working on another ‘big acquisition,’ from what I have been told by people close to their front office.”
Not sure if or how Matt Cerrone would have a legit contact in the Yankees FO but it’s certainly interesting.
The yankees are not done.
Big Z/Posada battery? Finally, a nuclear battery!
MTU,
You need to stop drinking caffeine right now!
Ed, I’m not even done yet.:( I still have prbly 8 or 9 to go IDK I’ll look at the list later this week..no sense in ruining X-mas but USA made it easier for me and knocked “How To Lose A Guy” off the list, so that’s something I guess.
Murph
Tropic Thunder is an underrated movie.
When I saw it in the theater I understood about every other word.
Now having seen it another 4-5 times at home, it is a classic.
Campy yet intelligent.
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/1…..ng-bluffs/
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Betsy, check this out.
Apologies if this has already been posted but too much to catch up on today……
Ken Rosenthal floating the idea the Yanks could trade Swisher to the Braves and resign Johnny?
Says a source said they are not looking to trade Swisher but wouldn’t be opposed to it.
Mick-
I dont want that little child to be disappointed.
disappointment is very painful for children, and you PROMISED.
Dont worry though.
If this strategy doesn’t do its job we’ll find another one, and take away their tears.
and turn them to tears of joy.
At some point. I will pull out another of the four tools of the apocalypse and see what they can say.
And I might try to revisit the Oracle. Like I did after bedtime last night.
Subduction, induction, deception, these are some of our tools.
Money doesn’t hurt either.
phil: interesting quote. Who is Matthew Cerrone? Reliable?
Swisher for Heyward, straight up. There is nothing on the braves worth getting that they would trade for Swisher. Also why would we trade Swisher then sign Damon? We could just sign Damon right now and have Damon and Swisher!
murphydog
December 21st, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Bad movies? Big Budget Bombs? Try “Heaven’s Gate” or “Ishtar.” For something lighter, cheaper, more athletic, try “The Other Sister.” For your convenience, I submit this one line summary from imdb:
[A mentally retarded girl proves herself to
every bit as capable as her "perfect" sister when she moves into an apartment and begins going to college.]
Oh How I hate Heavan’s Gate!
I need to see Ishtar
I think I have seen the other sister
M-
It’s all in good fun.
no worries.
phil: interesting quote. Who is Matthew Cerrone? Reliable?
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met shill, and a heinously stupid one at that. I wouldn’t trust him as far as he could be thrown.
“Ken Rosenthal floating the idea the Yanks could trade Swisher to the Braves and resign Johnny?”
no no no no…there’s only 2 guys I want from the Braves, which that is Johnson and Prado. Prado became their 2B, and Johnson released. The only way I’ll give up Swish is if they getting back Jurrjens.
I rather have Swisher over Damon
Brandon;
so what had you started? =X
m December 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Big Z/Posada battery? Finally, a nuclear battery!
MTU,
You need to stop drinking caffeine right now!
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To re-quote M.
Recently I tried watching the Marathon Man because I’m in a playground scene at the beginning. First off, despite watching it practically with my eyes glued to the tv, I missed the scene. Secondly……I wasn’t even that enthralled. The only thing I did was, when Laurence Olivier’s Nazi dentist was about to do some “dental work” on Dustin Hoffman…then I turned away.
I wonder if I’m the only one who remembers this movie. The Hudson Brothers (one of them is Kate’s dad – I forget which) starred as brothers and they were in a haunted house or something? I have to Google it tonight because it was a weird movie – they’re all comics, so it wasn’t one of those scary movies. It was made in the 1980′s…..I really am probably the only one who remembers it,lol
heres what i think.
forget holliday we dont need to commit long term for a player at this point.
if we are going to look for a starting pitcher via a trade how about Ted Lilly? he has pitched in NY before and can handle it. i always liked Lilly too.
so if we trade Melky for Lilly, since the cubs seem to be interested in Melky, then we can try to bring back damon at 1 year 12 million and still have Hoffman and Gardner for depth in the OF.
this plan might be a little pricy because we bring back damon but its short term and i think it really makes us a complete team.
“There is nothing on the braves worth getting that they would trade for Swisher. ”
Nothing? They’re not the nationals. Tommy Hanson? Jair Jurrgens?
The yankees are not just going to trade Swisher in some dumb move. They know his value.
The yanks maybe trying to put something major together.
I think Tropic Thunder was appreciated
Mick, I saw someone posted the link about. It sounds like some paranoid Mets fan……
Is it Safe?
brother Ed: and Jason Heyward
Uncle-
yes it is. greater than 26K.
Ed: did you receive that MLB 2010 link, had hit you with?
Marathon Man was a great movie. Zell was the nazi who worked on Dustin’s teeth.
Matt Cerrone is the fellow who put together MetsBlog which is probably the most popular (or at least most well known…) of the mets blogs.
His blog was one of the first to develop an association with a major media outlet – it’s now part of SNY.
He’s often talking about sources he has with the mets. Not sure who he would know with the yankees or why the yankees would leak anything to him.
mick:
“Tropic Thunder is an underrated movie.”
It’s not Young Frankenstein, or Kentucky Fried Movie or the Groove Tube – all movies of my misbegotten youth. But it’s pretty darned funny and Downey Jr. was amazing.
That’s it, Uncle, “Is it safe?”
The Groove Tube was the original, back in the 60′s
Anyone going to see the Sherlock Holmes movie? I had hesitated because I swear, giving the guy a “love interest” is just wrong. However, it appears that his “love interest” is really Watson (in terms of it being a bromance) – which is fine, because their friendship is about the finest in all literature.
Uncle-
Not one of the tools.
The way Swisher is overrated here is comical. He is not untouchable by any means.
The Braves have some very interesting pieces.
‘Nothing? They’re not the nationals. Tommy Hanson? Jair Jurrgens?”
I like Swisher, but he doesn’t get you a sniff of either guy.
“brother Ed: and Jason Heyward”
affirmative, since we already lost Ajax.
I rather have Swisher over Damon
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My thoughts exactly. That would be the dumbest move since that blind bid to get that man in the shades rather than Lilly.
CB,
““There is nothing on the braves worth getting that they would trade for Swisher. ”
The braves wouldn’t trade hanson or jurrjens for Swish
Betsy -high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Recently I tried watching the Marathon Man because I’m in a playground scene
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Betsy,
What other movies have you appeared in?
Perhaps some lower-level exec that Cerrone used to get info from, moved from the Mets FO to the Yankees last year or something.
However, I would take that report with a grain of salt.
S.o.s
Are we talking about coolhand luke ?
Betsy
Hysterical (not you)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085704/
Here’s the Rosenthal/Morosi article…..
Braves also exploring trading for Uggla and making him a left fielder.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....t-MLB-buzz
Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand
Nobody would trade Swisher for Hanson? Jurrjens? Heyward+?
Stop it guys. Swisher can be had for the right price.
Uncle-
That’s the Cardinals line. Only they really mean it !
Holliday’s dad is going to push him to the Yanks.
He grew up in Oklahoma idolizing Mantle. He was a huge Yankee fan. He was quoted last year saying it would be his dream to see his son play for the Yankees.
His dad is going to push his son to us. I would bet my house on that.
Uncle-
We’re gonna force THEM to eat the eggs until they…..
“Stop it guys. Swisher can be had for the right price”
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we already been through this. Cashman is not trading Swisher. He is a good player. And Cashman values team chemistry
What is wrong with this filter?
Patrick – we don’t know what the braves would trade. To dismiss is as nothing of feasible value is premature.
If Melky and Swisher were to compete for the RF job, Melky would beat him out just like he did Gardner.
Swisher would be fine as a DH assuming he laid off the Red Bull.
Kevlar December 21st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Holliday’s dad is going to push him to the Yanks.
He grew up in Oklahoma idolizing Mantle. He was a huge Yankee fan. He was quoted last year saying it would be his dream to see his son play for the Yankees.
His dad is going to push his son to us. I would bet my house on that.
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They should give him #6, my original number, “I’d like that.”
“we already been through this. Cashman is not trading Swisher. He is a good player. And Cashman values team chemistry”
For the right player, Cashman will trade anybody if he could do it.
Mick-
I covered that earlier. along with everything else(LOL).
Wonder if Matt has that Oklahoman drawl like me and Bobby Murcer had.
MTU
Nothing cool about giving up bombs with shades on. Not sure if the translation to his name might be Luke, being that he didnt pitch like he belonged with the dark side. But most of us know him as Kei the other 40 mil that was flushed.
“we already been through this. Cashman is not trading Swisher. He is a good player. And Cashman values team chemistry”
If the clubhouse falls apart if they trade Swisher, then it was never really strong to begin with.
You don’t have faith in Granderson, CC, AJ, Tex, Joba, etc. to keep that chemistry alive? You don’t need to be a hyperactive clown to generate chemistry. This clubhouse has enough good guys to survive the loss of anyone.
I covered that earlier. along with everything else(LOL).
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sorry i missed that.
Mick-
Sorry. Nope. have you heard him speak. Smart guy. well spoken.
I,ve heard rumors that he is apretty good ballplayer to.
You ever hear any rumors to that effect ?
I thought the only way to get rid of THEM was Boric Acid
“To dismiss is as nothing of feasible value is premature.”
Fair enough, but still, I wouldn’t trade Swisher unless I was blown away by the offer. There is no incentive right now to trade him so whoever wants Swish would have to overpay to get him.
Even if the Yanks go out and sign Holliday, I still don’t see the need to trade Swisher.
Oh god, not this chemistry non-sense again.
So trading Swisher means that all the good guys we have in our clubhouse like CC, AJ, Granderson will no longer be good teammates?
The big move that Cerrone is talking about is probably signing Matt Capps.
Uncle-
Wrong again.
Boras Acid.
It truly amazes me that in a clubhouse that has Derek Jeter, Mo, Alex, CC and Tex people actually believe Nick Swisher is an irreplaceable, center piece to club house chemistry.
Swisher plays on a team with legends.
“You don’t have faith in Granderson, CC, AJ, Tex, Joba, etc. to keep that chemistry alive? You don’t need to be a hyperactive clown to generate chemistry. This clubhouse has enough good guys to survive the loss of anyone”
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I do. At the same time, if it not broken, don’t fix it. NYY won the WS last year. They’ve already made positive trasactions (Granderson, NJ, etc), to improve. Teams win. Not necessarily collections of all-stars
Mick-
That was why my guess was Mantle.
Would Cashman trade Swisher for Javy Vazquez?
“The big move that Cerrone is talking about is probably signing Matt Capps.”
please provide proof.
Yanks 61 December 21st, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Oh god, not this chemistry non-sense again.
So trading Swisher means that all the good guys we have in our clubhouse like CC, AJ, Granderson will no longer be good teammates?
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Exactly. It seems like the differnce last year were the pitchers they picked up in the off season. Oh yeah, you can throw Tex into that equation as well, but mostly it’s the pitching.
So trading Swisher means that all the good guys we have in our clubhouse like CC, AJ, Granderson will no longer be good teammates?
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Yes. They will turn into Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson and Raul Mondesi.
Betsy -high on pie
December 21st, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Anyone going to see the Sherlock Holmes movie? I had hesitated because I swear, giving the guy a “love interest” is just wrong. However, it appears that his “love interest” is really Watson (in terms of it being a bromance) – which is fine, because their friendship is about the finest in all literature.
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Betsy, I can’t wait to see it. I love Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. Should be a good one
Clubhouse chemistry is overrated. I want Swisher on the team for his power, OBP and his average to above average fielding in right. He also makes less money than a player of his caliber would command on the open market.
Craw,
I don’t think Vasquez would want to come back to the AL. plus, he’s not a “big game” pitcher.
“It truly amazes me that in a clubhouse that has Derek Jeter, Mo, Alex, CC and Tex people actually believe Nick Swisher is an irreplaceable, center piece to club house chemistry.
Swisher plays on a team with legends.”
For the right player, Cashman would trade Swisher faster than you can say Nick.
MTU
December 21st, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Uncle-
Wrong again.
Boras Acid.
Nice one – I was hoping someone would pick up on that
Craw-
we aint doing more than 1 repeat this year.
new stuff only from here on out.
we already examined that merchandise and found it to be wanting.
“Fair enough, but still, I wouldn’t trade Swisher unless I was blown away by the offer. There is no incentive right now to trade him so whoever wants Swish would have to overpay to get him.”
My feeling is Swisher is worth more to the Yankees than he brings in trade.
“It truly amazes me that in a clubhouse that has Derek Jeter, Mo, Alex, CC and Tex people actually believe Nick Swisher is an irreplaceable, center piece to club house chemistry.
Swisher plays on a team with legends”
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and it amazes me how yankee fans feel they need an all-star at every single position, to win
“Craw,
I don’t think Vasquez would want to come back to the AL. plus, he’s not a “big game” pitcher.”
Maybe Javy and Cashman feel differently.
“and it amazes me how yankee fans feel they need an all-star at every single position, to win”
1 word: spoiled.
Uncle-
for today at least that is my self-assigned task.
What do you do for a living ?
are you comfortable sharing it here ?
“and it amazes me how yankee fans feel they need an all-star at every single position, to win”
Why shouldn’t we want all-stars at every position?
Sorry I’m rooting for Matt Holliday to sign with the Yanks, should I be hoping that Cashman signs Ryan Church instead?
“Craw-
we aint doing more than 1 repeat this year.
new stuff only from here on out.
we already examined that merchandise and found it to be wanting.”
Speak for yourself! I’ll trade for anybody that makes the Yankees better.
I’m not convinced Swisher is as popular as we are led to believe
Vasquez got a raw deal here. Guys like CC who adapt to NY seamlessly in year one is the exception, not the rule.
I would love to give Vasquez another try. Still strikes out a about a batter per inning and pitches 200 innings.
Per Swisher,
in his favor:
valuable player, good on base and power, Kevin Long was just working on him, why train him up to trade him.
working against him,
movable deal, reportedly got down on himself and taxed Girardi, they’re alreay dumped two flakes (Coke and Bruney) so can Swisher and Joba be safe?
I wouldn’t trade him, but they might.
and it amazes me how yankee fans feel they need an all-star at every single position, to win
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I guess you’re not a Yankee fan because that statement sounds like one of jealousy beside it not being true.
There are other All-Stars out there that do not capture my attention as there have been in the past.
Holliday simply seems like a good fit, as did Granderson few years ago.
1 less free agent to worry about, and Yanks connected to: Jason Marquis
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....rquis.html
Nothing? They’re not the nationals. Tommy Hanson? Jair Jurrgens?
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keywords ‘that they would trade for Swisher’. Cashman is a ninja, but he isn’t good enough to fleece them out of jurrjens or hanson.
Great news! Nationals sign Marquis! At least he isn’t coming to NY!
“I’m not convinced Swisher is as popular as we are led to believe”
I feel the same way. I actually think he could be annoying to some of the guys. A guy like him is good in doses. Being hyperactive every single day has to wear on people.
No offense to those who bring it up, but Swish’s contributions to the clubhouse chemistry probably rates a 0 out of 100 when evaluating whether or not to trade him. Same goes for those who say things like, “melky won’t be traded because he does…and … and he’s loved by his teammates.”
OMG Uncle, that’s it! LOL I’m so glad I wasn’t imagining it, lol. Thank you!
Mick, that’s the only one, unfortunately.
I can totally see how Swisher could annoy the hell out of people, rather than bring the team together.
I don’t think he is the straw that stirs the drink, as other people think.
So can someone remind me why are we talking about trading Swisher? He’s the second best outfielder on the team, unless Cashman signs both Holliday and Bay I don’t see Swisher going anywhere.
Betsy I’m going to find it on netflix
“I guess you’re not a Yankee fan because that statement sounds like one of jealousy beside it not being true”
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no. Other Yankee fans feel the same way. Except we’re not 12 yrs old
Patrick
December 21st, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“and it amazes me how yankee fans feel they need an all-star at every single position, to win”
Why shouldn’t we want all-stars at every position?
Sorry I’m rooting for Matt Holliday to sign with the Yanks, should I be hoping that Cashman signs Ryan Church instead?
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Thank you, Patrick.
I also thought that having the best players obtainable (from whatever means) was actually a goal of every professional sports team.
Doesn’t always work – but that IS the actual goal.
….if not – Hello Ryan Church !
Mick, that’s the only one, unfortunately.
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Who would you have liked to play Betsy?
Cashman likes good clubhouse chemistry, but he’s a cold-blooded mother that will trade any player without a no-trade clause if it makes the Yankees better and he gets ownerships approval.
This team has CC, Tex, Jeter, Mo, AJ, Po and some other terrific dudes; they will survive without Matsui and Damon and they would without Swisher. I don’t believe Swisher is irreplaceable as to his chemistry; I just see no reason to trade him….especially if it’s to get Holliday. He’s a good, productive player…..
no. Other Yankee fans feel the same way. Except we’re not 12 yrs old
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funny, I took you for no more than 11.
Give the 2004 team CC/AJ/Andy and they win the title.
That despite having flakes like Brown, Sheffield, etc. on the team. Same holds true in 05 or 06 with Randy Johnson. And people would be portraying all those guys in a different light rather than slamming them and their personality to prop up the 09 team.
Rosenthal’s description of potentially trading Swisher was interesting:
“The Yankees still could move Swisher if they wish to obtain Damon or another outfielder; they are not looking to trade Swisher, one source said, but also are not opposed to it. ”
If they wish to obtain Damon or another outfielder.
That is a very odd nonsequitor, particularly about the Braves desire to trade for a bat.
Betsy? Did you just say you wouldn’t trade Swisher for Holliday?
I know I’m late to the thread (I’m at work and can’t post anymore), but I had to risk getting fired to add my 2 cents to the Zambrano discussion. The Yankees getting Zambrano would be a huge, huge mistake. As you all know, I live right next to Wrigley Field so I can’t escape hearing about the Cubs and all of their overpaid/underperforming stars. Zambrano is an underperforming hot head, who himself this year admitted that he he is lazy and hasn’t been giving his all in his pitching performances. He’s also extremely overrated. I doubt he’d do well against AL hitters. Cashman should run from this guy and any Cubs deal that involves him.
“So can someone remind me why are we talking about trading Swisher?”
Unless he’s a piece in a deal to get a solid pitcher via trade, it probably doesn’t make much sense.
Could Crawford end up getting more money than Holliday?
Holliday would make a great linrbacker dont you think ?
Speed, size, power.
used to watch him alot when he was on the Rockies.
Joe from PA December 21st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Give the 2004 team CC/AJ/Andy and they win the title.
That despite having flakes like Brown, Sheffield, etc. on the team. Same holds true in 05 or 06 with Randy Johnson. And people would be portraying all those guys in a different light rather than slamming them and their personality to prop up the 09 team.
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Joe Pa (not the real one?)
That is a great point. It is derogatory to the other guys on the 09 Champions to say they won because of chemistry. Pitching had a little something to do with it.
Rosenthal is just speculating. If you ask Cashman he’d say that anyone is available for trade, it just has to be the right deal. The Yankees are not looking to trade Nick Swisher right now, nor should they.
Even if they go out and sign Holliday, I simply don’t see the sense in trading Swisher unless you are getting a big league pitcher like Jurrjens or Vazquez back.
according to mlbtraderumors.com, Jason Marguis set to sign with Washington
Mick, I was being facetious, lol. That was my big shot at glory – I could no more handle the glare of the camera than I could trash AJ, lol.
It’s not a matter of needing an all-star at every position, it’s a matter of wanting to improve the team.
Erin, I’m not a movie person – the last movie I saw Robert Downey, Jr. in was Back to School, lol. Jude Law was actually in a tv Sherlock Holmes episode. It was produced by Granada, an English company, and I have most of their episodes. The best Holmes ever, Jeremy Brett, starred. Jude Law must have been about 18 or 19 years old – he was completely unknown then.
I would want every player at every position on the yankees to make the all-star team. It meant they had a great year.
Rooting for your team to keep or add bad players as some kind of self-hating pity on the rest of baseball is a sickness.
Uncle, that would be “hilarious” if you rented it, lol.
Cb-
there’s a clue under every rock.
a sign on every wall.
No more than 120 Mill, right ?
structured our way.
Should we include any option years to sweeten the pot ?
been thinkin about that.
Patrick
December 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Rosenthal is just speculating. If you ask Cashman he’d say that anyone is available for trade, it just has to be the right deal. The Yankees are not looking to trade Nick Swisher right now, nor should they.
Even if they go out and sign Holliday, I simply don’t see the sense in trading Swisher unless you are getting a big league pitcher like Jurrjens or Vazquez back.
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Patrick, completely agree. Something could always come up, but I just don’t see them moving Swisher.
I believe Lost in Holliday more than I believe that anyone in the Yankees front office is leaking anything to the guy who runs the Mets Blog.
Considering the lack of news the Mets have been making I’m not shocked he’s trying to get some hits from Yankees fans.
Whenever I get upset about a move the Yankees don’t make, I take a deep breath and think of the Mets and all is right in the world.
That team is a joke. The fact that the owners are too cheap to can the manager and GM who are hapless at this point is a major slap in the face to any fan who spends a dollar on that team.
I hope the Yankees have more moves in them since I think the rotation needs another piece and I also think if we go into the season with Melky as our starting LF we’re going to be looking for a replacement LF for him before the trade deadline that may cost more then than it might now.
If one of the big boppers gets hurt or under-performs at all, Melky will stick out like a sore thumb.
“I like the Yankees, but I don’t see myself pitching at Yankee Stadium. Too many rules,” he said with a laugh. “If I play in New York, it’s going to be with the Mets. First of all, because I get to hit. And I love hitting.
“I can’t say … that I would never play for the Yankees. Hopefully no, but you never know. This is a business.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....act/1.html
From 2007
“Rooting for your team to keep or add bad players as some kind of self-hating pity on the rest of baseball is a sickness”
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because Nick Swisher is such a terrible/bad player. Duhhhhh
I think the Yankees are more apt to move Gardner or Swisher, especially since they have gotten more interest than Swish. Include one of them in a package to the Cubs or wherever, and we might be able to get a SP. If either Gardner or Melky is gone, there is obviously no way Swish is leaving. And I’d prefer either losing Melky or Gardner than losing Swish. His value is underrated and I love him as a Yankee.
Betsy -high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Mick, I was being facetious, lol. That was my big shot at glory – I could no more handle the glare of the camera than I could trash AJ, lol.
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I don’t get the enfatuation with AJ, I guess it’s personal.
Getting a pitcher does not preclude getting a hitter, and vicey versa.
Their might be something else under the mat. we never know.
You dang spoiled yankee fans. Why on God’s green Earth would you want Matt Holliday when you could have Ryan Church, Mark DeRosa and Marlon Byrd!? Robinson Cano ? Pshaw trade him for Luis Castillo asap! I’m sick of all these all-stars, it’s just ridiculous.
MTU,
Holliday was an outstanding high school quarterback with multiple scholarship offers to Div 1 programs. I believe he was one of the top high school quarterbacks available and I think he had a scholarship from LSU in place.
because Nick Swisher is such a terrible/bad player. Duhhhhh
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Nick Swisher puts up all-star numbers
I’m more thinking of ‘Why can’t the yankees win with melky? We shouldn’t sign holliday!’
Or chip’s attempts to foist randy winn on the yankees
At this point isn’t Swisher better than Damon? I mean overall?
And neither would be back next season if we trade Swisher. Unless Cash is foolish enough to sign Damon to 2 years.
So if we don’t sign Holliday, who exactly is going to be our LF for the next few years?
Just like Cashman said that he wanted Tex because he filled a position of need and there would be no one on the market in the next ew years who is as good as him, the same holds true for Holliday.
Mick, I meant that I wouldn’t trade Swisher even if we got Holliday. If the Yanks are that insistent on reducing payroll, then don’t sign Holliday and keep Swish. It makes no sense to me to sign Holliday and trade Swisher – the idea is to lengthen the lineup. Why get rid of a productive RF? The idea of trading Swish to re-sign Damon is even more ludicrous.
As usual, well said, G. Love. Good insight re: Melky and his role and the Mets.
Too bad we can’t get like Jason Bay for 2 years if we’re seriously not considering Holliday. I wouldn’t mind him for a shortened period of time…just not the 4/5 years he’s looking for.
I’d take Swisher over Damon. They are both good hitters but Swisher is younger and less likely to decline, plus he can still play above-average defense.
Mick, I don’t get it. I don’t care if people don’t like AJ or they think he’s a crappy pitcher. I like him – sue me. I’m not infatuated with him……if you think I am, so be it. What, I should only like CC, Jeter, Alex, Mo and Tex? The best players on the team?
CB-
Thanks.
Like I said your a genius.
i really did not know that about Matt.
You could almost predict something like that just from looking at him.
I’m glad he stayed in baseball, if you know what I mean.
Swish and Damon are a unit, it takes 2 to cunnilingize the horns
Betsy,
If the Yanks want Holliday, and why wouldn’t they, but have “budget” constraints, should that preclude them from getting him?
If Swisher is the key to that deal I see no harm in letting him go.
“That team is a joke. The fact that the owners are too cheap to can the manager and GM who are hapless at this point is a major slap in the face to any fan who spends a dollar on that team. ”
Yep, Wilpon could had opened up his wallet a little more wider, and signed Manny Ramirez last season to protect Wright while others had went down.
Jerkface December 21st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Swish and Damon are a unit, it takes 2 to cunnilingize the horns
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Melky would volunteer to take the Damon role.
“Swish and Damon are a unit, it takes 2 to cunnilingize the horns”
hahaha
who will Nick turn to next year?
Betsy -high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Mick, I don’t get it. I don’t care if people don’t like AJ or they think he’s a crappy pitcher. I like him – sue me. I’m not infatuated with him……if you think I am, so be it. What, I should only like CC, Jeter, Alex, Mo and Tex? The best players on the team?
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No need to get the proverbial panties in a twist, Betsy, just curious as to why you like him so much…oh that’s right, I forgot, you once said you like his eyes. Sorry.
An epic
a saga
a journey
a process.
kind of like my hobby.
Go out for a pass Matt.
Take the hail mary.
Dont miss it.
GLove, there are no pitchers out there besides Sheets. If that doesn’t work, I’m for giving Joba and Phil a shot. In fact, I may be inclined that way anyway. The team really needs to start developing these kids – Phil has already been set back. They’ve not traded him for Santana and Halladay – it’s about time he gets another chance to be a starter. Since most of the pitchers out there are gunk, don’t you think it’s better that we just let them go and see what happens? The upside of Joba and Phil is enormous (though I admit that I don’t have much confidence in Joba).