Montero ready to move one step closer
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2009 
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Last year’s stint in Double-A was cut short by a finger injury, but the Yankees believe Jesus Montero is ready to open next season in Triple-A.
Vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman said this afternoon that the Yankees plan to have Montero open the season as the regular catcher with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Austin Romine, the team’s No. 2 prospect according to Baseball America, will open in Trenton.
Newman said Gary Sanchez and J.R. Murphy – the other catchers who rank among Baseball America’s top 10 Yankees prospects – will likely open in extended spring training and play short-season ball. Kyle Higashioka is slated to open in Low-A Charleston. High-A Tampa doesn’t have a set catcher now that Chase Weems has been traded.
The Yankees have been encouraged by Montero’s improved footwork behind the plate. He threw out 31.8 percent of base runners in Trenton, which is pretty solid and much better than the 12.5 percent he threw out in the first half of the season in Tampa. Actually, Montero’s caught stealing percentage in Trenton was better than Romine’s season percentage in Tampa (though I don’t think anyone would suggest Montero is at Romine’s level in that regard). Newman said some of the improvement came because Montero adjusted his footwork so that he pivots on his right foot rather than taking a step or a slide.
“That seems to work for him,” Newman said. “It’s an older school approach.”
Newman stressed – as he’s done pretty much every time I’ve mentioned Montero’s name the past few years – that the Yankees still see their top prospect as a catcher. With Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, though, there’s a chance Montero will get some time at first base, at least during drills. It’s something all catchers in the Yankees system do. I’ve seen Francisco Cervelli, Chris Stewart and Kevin Cash take ground balls at third base. P.J. Pilittere has gotten a bit of playing time at first.
“He’ll get that as a matter of course,” Newman said. “But all of our guys do. It won’t be anything special for him.”
woooooo! This is great news!
But its not Lackey vs Zambrano, its Lackey+Swisher vs Zambrano. Why are we trading for Zambrano’s albatross AND giving up swisher?! And so now we have a headcase, declining pitcher AND no right fielder?! Ridiculous.
Any trade for Swisher on this blog is ridiculous.
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Not really, because moving Swisher’s contract and locking up a starter more talented than Lackey to a bargain long term deal allows the Yankees more flexibility after signing Holliday heading into the 2011 free agent market.
I would have been devastated if they had traded Montero.
Why doesn’t YES start broadcasting some AAA games again? Most of their non-game programming is pretty bad anyway.
Montero can’t be the closer
Lost-
How about an update ?
Got anything for us ?
Rich,
The minor league games weren’t getting ratings for them. MiLB carries a lot of SWB Yankee games, though and I think it could be a must buy this year. I’m glad he and Romine will have their own teams. Both need to catch more to develop.
dennis,
So good to hear from you? Hope things are well. I was wondering where you might be the past few months. I was going through some posts and saw that you’d gone through some difficult times. I’m sorry about that.
Hope things are getting better.
repost from prior thread –
Right now, the Bullpen is:
Mariano Rivera
Dave Robertson
Damaso Marte (L)
Alfredo Aceves
Chad Gaudin
Michael Dunn (L)
Sergio Mitre
Figure that if Cashman gets that #4 starter, it’s likely that Hughes will be in the pen most likely replacing Mitre. And if Melancon wins a spot in ST, then someone else has to be replaced.
I can’t wait until 2012 when the starting battery will be Joba and Montero.
Montero at catcher, could in theory, give the Yanks a huge advantage over nearly every other team.
Duchscherer to the Yanks by Saturday, you can book it!
Another potential problem to signing Holliday is that it will block Romine. Granderson isin’t going anywhere. Swisher is locked in till 2012 and is a very good fit for us.
People have speculated that Romine’s future is in the outfield anyway because his defense isin’t great at C and Montero might be more advanced them him behind the plate as well. Certainly if Montero sticks at catcher, we have to find him another position for Romine anyway.
Forget Holliday— he is going to end up blocking Romine and give us another long term contract and less flexibility. Leave LF open for Romine.
Thats pretty good news. Montero’s bat is definitely ready for AAA and it’s really encouraging that the Yankees feel his defense is ready for that level as well.
Not really, because moving Swisher’s contract and locking up a starter more talented than Lackey to a bargain long term deal allows the Yankees more flexibility after signing Holliday heading into the 2011 free agent market.
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So now we are signing Holliday AND trading for Zambrano? So an additional 36 million to the payroll? And we lose swisher? I’d sooner just sign Holliday and keep Swisher.
Zambrano being better than Lackey is debatable. Both are injury risks. He has an atrocious walk rate, which is saved only by his HR rate. Lackey has a superior k:bb and similiar HR rates, and has done so in the AL. Zambrano’s GB:FB ratio has declined each of the past few seasons.
This is a fool’s trade.
Good to see both Montero and Romine progressing well. Yankees will have some tough decisions to have in the coming years, as it’s almost certain that one will be traded.
They’re not gonna trade Montero.
Melancon is ahead of Dunn as far as the pen goes….
also If the Yanks were to trade Swish it would be classic buy low sell high trading strategy of “assets” as Cash likes to refer to them…
Think of it this way…Trade Wilson Betemit,Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez for Nick Swisher…win the world series and Swish re establishes his value just before a huge pay increase….trade Swisher for Carlos Z at a fixed cost for 3yrs…
so I’ve in effect traded Betemit,Marquez and Nunez for a ring and 3yrs of Zambrano….looks a lil different no?
Great news about Montero. The Yanks have the luxury of a capable young backup for Jorge in Cervelli. There’s no need to not let Montero benefit from a full year at Scranton.
CB,
“And Mo hasn’t lost any of his stuff over the past three years.People seem to be constantly trying to push him out the door when his performance on the field doesn’t warrant it.”
I’m not advocating that in the least. All I’m saying is that Mo is now 40 years old and would be better off if all the pressure wasnt on him exclusively to close out games.
Also, I was wrong when I said he was used in 11 non save situations. It was actually 20. Get that down to 10 or so and maybe you don’t have him hugging a water bottle in the playoffs as he did last year. The Yanks have some terrific talent in their pen, but it’s easy to go to the sure thing all the time.
This will be the 3rd spring that Montero will be in Tampa as a non-roster invitee and working under the tutelage of Tony Pena. His progress will be monitered closely for his catching mechanics and Tony will be the 1st to know what adjustments are needed.
The past 2 springs saw him wearing No. 83. That won’t last much longer.
I assume that catchers Jeff Farnham and Mitch Abeita will move from Charleston to Tampa, then. Farnham in particular was impressive in a short stint with Charleston at the end of the season.
“so I’ve in effect traded Betemit,Marquez and Nunez for a ring and 3yrs of Zambrano….looks a lil different no?”
champ, Zambrano is not sonmeone you want on the Yankees. Trust me. I’ve watched here him in Chicago for years now. Pass!!!!!!!!!!!
Romine and Montero could be in pinstripes for the next 10 yrs….I think they may have Romine play some corner outfield as well which in 3yrs would allow for both guys to catch,Romine could play some OF and Montero could DH some
NickSF.
Alexander Michael’s in the 4th Ward on 401 W. Ninth St. I had coroporate housing a few doors down from there 7+ years ago and fell in love with the place. Amy and I go back every time we are in Charlotte. JMO.
Safe Travels.
-dennis
I pass on Zambrano, his contract is awful.
GB7
Jose Gil is another possibility but it’s definitely gonna be org side rather than a prospect.
CB.
Thanks. Things are OK. My folks were in and out of the hospital for much of Oct and Nov and I lost a good pal to a cancer battle in OCT.
Good perspective check but I still have a heavy heart.
We are back in Savannah from Maine for the winter and Spring and trying to stay positive!! I will fly up to Maine and check on my Mom and Dad every 2-3 weeks. Luckily my two sisters are in the area to be there for them full time.
Congrats again on #27. As always, your posts have been enjoyable to read. I just have a lot less time right now to read and post on a daily or for my sake a “nightly” basis.
Kind Regards.
-dennis
One good thing about Montero moving up to Scranton is getting better catching instruction from Butch Wynegar.
On the one hand, I’m disappointed, because I did get to see Montero in Trenton last season, and I was at least hoping to “catch” him in a game early in 2010 before he was inevitably promoted. But great for him to open the season in SWB.
And I guess a plus is I get to finally see Romine for myself in Trenton. Yay!
CB -
I want to say that I meant no disrespect yesterday when I said I didn’t want to read what you had to say about Cabrera in LF. Had nothing to do with you, and all to do with my reaching my personal limit. I much appreciate all the information you give to this forum.
This Christmas stuff sure gets in the way of my Yankees addiction! Today was a food shopping day. Missed a lot, again, but this time I’m not going to be silly enough to read everything I missed.
I did get to hear on the radio that Marquis was signed by the Nationals, and immediately thought, “cross that one off.”
Good for the Nationals, though. They seem to be trying to put together a decent team. That’s a good thing.
Can’t wait to see Romine in Trenton. And I’m glad to here Montero is progressing as a catcher. I remember reading a story last season about how much he truly wants to be a catcher and how hard he is working. Sounds like it is paying off.
so I’ve in effect traded Betemit,Marquez and Nunez for a ring and 3yrs of Zambrano….looks a lil different no?
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No it still looks like a garbage trade where in we pay Carlos Zambrano and his injured shoulder and elbow 18 million dollars to hurl baseballs. A Carlos Zambrano who has said he wants to retire after his current contract, never wanted to play in the AL, and punches gatorade dispensers with his pitching hand.
Trading Swisher for 18 million dollar Zambrano, one of the many cub contracts that crippled them (see: Soriano, A.), is not buying low and selling high. Its highway robbery going the cubs way.
Laura
you maybe right about Big Z as far as his act is concerned…but he is a beast on the mound and I still think he hasn’t had his best seasons yet….
My point is the strategy to turn those guys into Swish and then possibly into Big Z could be great GM’ing on Cash’s part.
Butch Wynegar, now there is a blast from the past!
I wonder what this big Yankee deal is?
I doubt it’s Holliday or Bay. Cashman has said that starting pitching is the first thing on his mind. I doubt it’s Carlos Z, his hot temper would not flow with the clubhouse, especially the way it is now.
I really wonder what it is.
Cash is smarter than to trade Swisher for Zambrano, he’d sooner sign Cliff Lee next offseason.
Phil the Thrill
December 21st, 2009 at 5:51 pm
GB7
Jose Gil is another possibility but it’s definitely gonna be org side rather than a prospect.
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I had hopes for Gil coming along, but with Montero and Romine getting drafted, he sort of got shuffled to the back of the line. He does have very good power and not bad defensively.
if Zambrano is healthy I’d rather have him @17-18mil over both AJ and Lackey…
and he didn’t want to come to the AL because he LOVES to hit…
question why is it that Zambrano gets killed for his emotions and beating up coolers but WE LOVED IT when Paulie O’Neill was doing it…he was a “WARRIOR”
No sense having Hughes/Joba in the bullpen. Rather they need to go out and get a SU man.
—-ORIGINAL TRADE IDEA——
NYY get
RP Michael Wuertz
LF Scott Hairston
CHC gets
LF Brett Gardner
RP Jonathan Albaladejo
OAK get
SP/RP Jeff Samardzija
-C Francisco Cervelli
If Needed Minor Prospects could exchange teams to even out the deal. But it looks pretty even to me.
Yankees then sign Dioner Navarro as backup catcher, with the promise that he gets more playing time than the typical backup.
If the yankees can convince OAK to take Miranda instead of Cervelli then this trade works out a lot better.
Wuertz get the 8th inning job, with Joba AND Hughes in the rotation. It might be a good idea to sign 1-2 more veteren guys to a minor league deal.
Also work out a trade with LAD so Hoffman can be sent to AAA.
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Projected Opening Day Roster:
Starters: C.C., Burnett, Pettite,Joba, Hughes
Starting Depth: Gaudin, Aceves, McAlistor(AAA), Nova(AAA), 1-2 veteren guys signed as depth stashed in AAA.
Bullpen:Rivera, Wuertz,Marte,Robertson, Aceves,Dunn, Gaudin
Bullpen Depth: Melancoln, Sanchez, Rameriz, REST OF THE CREW
Lineup:
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Texiera
3B Rodriguez
CF Granderson
-C Posada
RF Swisher
2B Cano
LF Cabrera
Bench: Navarro, Hariston, Pena, Russo
Noreaster
December 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Butch Wynegar, now there is a blast from the past!
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Yeah…he’s been the hitting coach at Scranton for a few tears, now.
few ***tears***, now
Not to mention years.
I’d rather kill Zambrano for his 4 BB/9 , and 8 H/9. Put him in the AL east where he won’t see weak NL lineups and see if his HR rate keeps as low as it did in 2009.
Jerkface
the problem with that is Lee’s gonna want 2x the contract
zam is 3yrs @ 52mil
Lee’s looking for 5-6yrs @ 22-23per= 110-135mil and I’m sorry Lee doesn’t have the track record nor resume to warrent that kind of contract
Doreen
I share the same sentiment as you. I was hoping to see Montero up here in Portland before he moved up. I guess I’ll have to be satisified to see Romine.
Zombrano = Ed Whitson
Keep him away from NY
“Also, I was wrong when I said he was used in 11 non save situations.”
But aren’t “save situations” the relief pitching equivilant of building a batting order from batting avg.
“Saves” are an arbitrary statistic, it should be be used to either dictate or evaluate the use of a closer.
Zambrano walks more guys per 9 than AJ Burnett. Consider that. He is in the NL central doing that.
GB7
Gil has floated back and forth between looking like a prospect and looking like an org guy. They think he will end up in the bigs, like Omir Santos did. Not sure if he’ll ever take the big step.
I love Montero and Romine, but if the Yankees think Montero is their future catcher, what are they going to do with Romine (even though he’s better defensively)? I know GB has mentioned converting him to an OF, but have the Yanks discussed this internally? Also, how good is Romine’s bat? I would prefer he not be converted if his bat is only good enough to make him an average (rather than a very good OF).
Jon Heyman
i could see #yankees playing for jermaine dye if they trade melky for pitcher. (#giants, #rangers, #braves like dye too) about a minute ago
“A Carlos Zambrano who has said he wants to retire after his current contract, never wanted to play in the AL, and punches gatorade dispensers with his pitching hand.”
Just curious – weren’t a big Milton Bradley supporter?
Zambrano’s contract is much larger but….
Interesting program this afternoon on XM – they had Jim Duquette (is that how you spell it – the prior GM of the Mets who made the Kazmir for V Zambrano trade) and the other guy taking Facebook messages and calls from fans asking for which player/deal/signing they would like to return. Some really interesting ones. Of course Kei Igawa got a mention!
It was one of the better shows I’ve heard them do in a while.
Zambrano’s K’s have declined. I can’t really see him being a target for the Yanks.
I never got the sense Romine’s bat was typically corner outfield-esque. I thought a great deal of his value was that he did project to be a capable catcher, and not that he projected to be a stud bat?
If Montero can stay at catcher, Romine could always be trade bait.
Young catching is golden in baseball. There is a reason that Cash has stocked the system with pitchers and catchers— the two hottest commodities that teams want.
I should say it was a good show with the exception of the obligatory 2 minutes of Joba should be in the bullpen/the Yankees messed up that they do every day at least once a day. Billy Ripken himself says it at least once a day, so it’s got to be at least twice!
Don’t know of Romine’s bat is enough to play a corner spot on the Yankees. Not to mention that he has yet to display the ability to walk in the minors. If Jesus proves he can be a catcher, Romine’s best value is prob. trade bait….
Rock Star, Romine’s D is considered better than Montero’s; he’s considered an excellent all-around catching prospect.
Hey GB7.
I posted on the last thread that I hope you are doing better. You really threw a wrench into our plans for you, Amy and I to grab a beer together in Savannah!
If you need anything, you know how to reach us.
-dennis
Great news on Montero!!
I’m not interested in trading Romine, lol
Betsy – high on pie
December 21st, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I love Montero and Romine, but if the Yankees think Montero is their future catcher, what are they going to do with Romine (even though he’s better defensively)? I know GB has mentioned converting him to an OF, but have the Yanks discussed this internally? Also, how good is Romine’s bat? I would prefer he not be converted if his bat is only good enough to make him an average (rather than a very good OF).
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Betsy, to my knowledge, NYY hasn’t said anything about moving Romine to another spot. I just watched him playing other spots and shagging flies during practice. He’s athletic, he has some speed and he’s got the bat. He’d just make a better choice to switch to a position of need than Montero.
dennis,
Sorry about the loss of your friend. That’s a lot to have to deal with alone – that in addition to your parents being ill must have been very difficult.
Glad you had some time to stop by today.
I doubt that by the time Romine is ready to contribute, that there will be an opening in the OF. Unless we leave LF unaddressed for a few more seasons (unlikely) or we trade Swisher before his contract expires.
Doreen,
No problem. Honestly, I didn’t really say anything all that major about Melky in any way. I guess Pat M thought is was bad but it’s not anything I haven’t said I was concerned about before.
How’s Kyle Higashioka as a prospect?
“A Carlos Zambrano who has said he wants to retire after his current contract”
thank god we didnt get rid of mo when he said the same thing about 10 years ago….
Why would Heyman post about Jermaine Dye? What’s up Boras sleeve with that little tidbit?
Higgy’s a good prospect. He held his own with the older kids this past summmer and has a good approach at the plate.
aside from sheets, how much better than Gaudin, Joba, Hughes are these other guys out there?. Not significantly IMO.
“Why would Heyman post about Jermaine Dye? What’s up Boras sleeve with that little tidbit?”
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I have no idea why he’s posting that meaningless drivel.
Milton is nowhere near Zambrano. Milton also does not punch things with his pitching hand, thats more stupidity than anger.
Milton’s contract is less money, and he would be had for cheaper. He got traded for an even bigger club house cancer who is far worse at baseball. I’m convinced we could have traded Kei Igawa for him straight up.
You guys are talking about trading Swisher for Zambrano, and unless the cubs are eating 10 mil of that contract per year he isn’t worth it.
Didn’t Romine have a ton more errors, passed balls, and a worse CS % than Montero as a catcher this year? I thought I read that somewhere.
i cant see them putting hughes in the pen again this year. to do so will greatly inhibit his development and perhaps signal the end of him as a starter. he needs to start, use all his pitches and get 170 innings in this season.
GB, so he does have the bat to make a really good corner OF? Supposedly he really hit this season, and in a pitcher’s league to boot……I’m excited about his prospects.
Jermaine Dye? We already filled our dh role. No thanks.
I say trade Johnson for Zamrano and have him be the dh and trade for Micah Owings and have him pinch hit in the 9th when needed.
Who is the best hitting pitcher in baseball?
Owings?
Duques brother?
Zambrano?
C.C.?
Wasnt it Heyman that posted the Yankees offered Damon 2 yrs/ $18 mil. Two days later it became known that neither side had spoken at that point.
Could Guerrero still play RF??
dennis-Costanza
December 21st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Hey GB7.
I posted on the last thread that I hope you are doing better. You really threw a wrench into our plans for you, Amy and I to grab a beer together in Savannah!
If you need anything, you know how to reach us.
-dennis
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Evening, Dennis. Hope all is well with you and Ms Amy. I appreciate the offer, but, right now, I’m in Ft Myers, FL for another 2 weeks or so. I have to go back to Tampa after the 1st of the year for a checkup. Don’t mind that, but, seeing Nirse Keloff is scarey as Hell.
I very much appreciate the offer, but, Midway’s a long way yo be driving for that. I usually just have the girls shop for me. It’ll be a while before I’m going to be around people. I can’t even go to the bank with this mask on. They’ll think it’s a holdup.
Thanks, Phil.
It seems that at every level of the minors the Yankees have a legit catching prospect. Be it Montero, Romine, Higashioka, Murphy, or Sanchez. That’s a lot of potential.
Mets are looking at Pedro who wants more than Penny got.
Go for it Omar!
“Why would Heyman post about Jermaine Dye? What’s up Boras sleeve with that little tidbit?”
I don’t think Dye is a Boras guy.
It’s an odd comment from Heyman. Some guys just don’t seem to either undertand or believe that the yankees are pretty dead set on getting younger and more athletic and are putting more value on defense.
Dye in left field at yankee stadium would be a disaster. He can’t play defense at the cell – what would he do in a large LF?
Heyman has had a spare hot stove. Boras hasn’t given him anything yet on holliday. Heyman last week described the holliday negotiations as “mysterious” iirc.
Today is the shortest day of the year – winter solstice.
The biorythymns or energy waves of the human body are synchronized with the rise and fall of the sun. That is why we sleep in the dark and remain awake in the light. We grow tired at night and wake up in the morning.
High energy levels are most often associated with happiness and positive feelings while depressed and angry people are usually operating at a low energy level, feeling tired, stressed or overwhelmed.
So if you had a confrontation today with a mean person, know that they are operating at rock bottom today, at the shortest energy level of the year – as well as the height of negative energy.
Today, hug your family and your pets and generate your positive energy from this day on. Give yourself a head start.
I am a Scorpio.
FYI, CC will be on MLB (network) Hotstove…in the next minute or so.
Glad to hear about Montero. I honestly dont think the yankees will trade him based off of what I’ve read from this blog so far. Anyway, It will interesting to see how this all plays out.
I really hope the yankees sign Sheets. I was watching highlights of him on mlb.com and if he can regain his old form, the yankees pitching staff will be a problem (in a good way).
Asfaras Holliday is concernbed, he is a nice to have, not a a need to have. I certainly wouldn’t mind him batting 5th. He would easily make the yankee lineup the best in baseball.
If its possible, I hope cashman can sign wang as well. I have not given up on him yet.
“Milton is nowhere near Zambrano. Milton also does not punch things with his pitching hand, thats more stupidity than anger.”
Milton isn’t a pitcher so that much is true.
And I’m not talking about anything with Zambrano. I don’t like him and I doubt the team has any interest in him what so ever.
Milton is nowhere near Zambrano. Milton also does not punch things with his pitching hand, thats more stupidity than anger.
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I wonder who would win in a who punches things harder with their pitching hand competition? Zambrano or Kevin Brown? Pavona being the judge.
Betsy – high on pie
December 21st, 2009 at 6:17 pm
GB, so he does have the bat to make a really good corner OF? Supposedly he really hit this season, and in a pitcher’s league to boot……I’m excited about his prospects.
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Romine’s got O’Neill type power and is pretty much the same type of hitter from the right side. He’s also a smart base runner and has an outstanding arm. His hands aren’t real quick behind the plate and he doesn’t shift his feet well. He’ll improve, but with other catchers on the way and NYY needing outfielders in the system, he’s a good choice.
On Montero – he’s very close to getting the call up to the bigs at this point in time.
He very well could be up this year. The glove’s not ready but the bat is going to make that secondary.
Enough with the Zambrano talk – not going to happen and so a waste of blog space! Cashman is too smart to make that trade. He has been great in the past, but now is not the time to buy.
Cash is good at understanding that you need to compare every move to where you are after a deal in comparison to where you are today if you hold what you have. Thats why I think Swish stays – hard to see the team being better off after a trade if you look at the overall roster position. This is why Holliday makes some sense – hes expensive, but gives you a lot of roster flexibility and clearly makes you a better team.
Don’t mind that, but, seeing ***Nirse Keloff*** is scarey as Hell.
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No matter how many things the doctors fix, they’ll never fix my typing.
Nurse Karloff.
CC on MLB now!
I hope he’s wrong. Puma is the guy that speculated on every pitcher under the sun earlier ……he doesn’t exactly seem up on things.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....9U0jIMUpMN
With his everyday lineup for 2010 set, Cashman has turned attention to the rotation, and will almost certainly add a starter by New Year’s, according to a major league source.
Seasonal Affective Disorder – also tends to strike in the winter months when days grow shorter. People get depressed or feel crappy when the sun is absent. Suicide rates sour in places where shorter days dominate the calendar year – Alaska for example.
To fight your negative feelings this winter, ask your doctor about vitamin ‘D’ aka ‘the sunshine vitamin. Vitamin ‘D’ testing is part of routine physical examination and costs nothing extra but you have to ask for it. Vitamin D as been tested against prozac and matches or outperforms the antidepressant in some cases and costs $6/month.
Another strategy that may compliment vitamin D is the use of Hydroxitryptophan or 5HTP. It is available over the counter as well. It books the neurotransmitter ‘Serotonin’, our brain’s happy chemical and model for the makers of popular antidepressant meds. Ask your doctor about it.
Bret the Hitman -
Timely information.
What did CC say?
edit: suicide rates ‘soar’
edit: ‘boosts’ the neurotransmitter ‘serotonin’.
Ham Fighters, I completely agree. Hmm, severe innings limits in 2011 at age 25. His curve will have rusted away to nothing and he still won’t have a change. He’s not a baby anymore – either let him start or trade him.
“Don’t mind that, but, seeing ***Nirse Keloff*** is scarey as Hell. ”
Glad to see the dogs are down there with you.
No sense having Hughes/Joba in the bullpen. Rather they need to go out and get a SU man.
—-ORIGINAL TRADE IDEA——
NYY get
RP Michael Wuertz
LF Scott Hairston
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Neil,
Totally out of left field with that one. Not sure Oakland would even want to part with those players.
GreenBeret7
December 21st, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Don’t mind that, but, seeing ***Nirse Keloff*** is scarey as Hell.
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No matter how many things the doctors fix, they’ll never fix my typing.
Nurse Karloff.
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I was going to suggest that but I don’t think there’s any DR’s that good.
hey brett, how come the people i know who claim to have seasonal adjustive disorder seem just as depressed when the days are 15 hours long as when they days are short?
(maybe they need to hide in a closet for a few hours in the summer?)
Dave
December 21st, 2009 at 6:27 pm
What did CC say?
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CC talke about his Pitcch foundation and how he took kids to sports authority and gave them 200.00 dollars each to go xmas shopping.
He also mentioned how playing in new york exceeded his expectations. CC also stated that he normally starts his throwing programg in the beginning of Dec to keep his arm loose. He will begin his weight lifting program next month. Thats it in a nutshell.
GB, I’m sure Nurse Lugosi has a heart of gold. You are being very, very mean….j/k! Have you had a chance to view the twins on a computer screen?
Thanks for the info on Romine!
vin
December 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“Don’t mind that, but, seeing ***Nirse Keloff*** is scarey as Hell. ”
Glad to see the dogs are down there with you.
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When I’m typing, all I can see is that hideous face looking at me, and I get scared. I want my mommy.
MaineYankee
December 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
GreenBeret7
December 21st, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Don’t mind that, but, seeing ***Nirse Keloff*** is scarey as Hell.
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No matter how many things the doctors fix, they’ll never fix my typing.
Nurse Karloff.
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I was going to suggest that but I don’t think there’s any DR’s that good.
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Yeah….no magicians down here.
CC isn’t the first player (and he won’t be the last) who had reservations about coming to NY and then ended up loving it. I think these guys have one image of NY in mind and it’s not a good one (stereotypes and all). Plus, when they come to NY on road trips, they’re probably just hanging around the hotel, not doing all sorts of interesting things.
“hey brett, how come the people i know who claim to have seasonal adjustive disorder seem just as depressed when the days are 15 hours long as when they days are short?”
Met fans?
Ham Fighters laughing at all the melky haters
December 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
hey brett, how come the people i know who claim to have seasonal adjustive disorder seem just as depressed when the days are 15 hours long as when they days are short?
(maybe they need to hide in a closet for a few hours in the summer?)
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More severe cases of depression result from multiple underlying causes which may vary depending on the person. There is no magic pill for a negative state of being, only remedies that may or may not work depending on a variety of other factors.
The good news is, we can manage and combat these other factors that may be causing our low energy levels-through diet, exercise and activity, life experience and actions, stress management, meditation to name a few.
Cash might as well just go to ST with the young kids. Nobody else out there aside from Sheets who will be better than them.
If one of the kids struggles though… don’t expect other teams to help us out by lending us anyone solid, as we saw at the deadline, it is improbable. We’re going to have to turn to Chad the 5 inning master Gaudin or Mitre if we need insurance early on in the season.
Betsy – high on pie
December 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
GB, I’m sure Nurse Lugosi has a heart of gold. You are being very, very mean….j/k! Have you had a chance to view the twins on a computer screen?
Thanks for the info on Romine!
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Glad to help, Betsy. Keep in mind, though. It’s just my impressions from what I’ve seen of Romine. He did well, being named the Florida State League’s MVP.
You are assuming that there’s even a heart in there. If it’s in there, you can bet that it’s not gold.
Nick,
Welcome to Charlotte
GreenBeret7
I think that Farnham may stay in Charleston to start the season with Higoshi…Farnham if i remember correctly was only in Charleston for a few weeks at the end of the season
This is awesome.
Aww, poor GB……
Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
December 21st, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Bret the Hitman -
Timely information.
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Merry Winter solstice to you
Enjoy this season.
Phil the Thrill
December 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Zambrano’s K’s have declined. I can’t really see him being a target for the Yanks.
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Yeah isn’t he making 15-16 million a year. I cant see the yanks interest in him. The could of signed Lackey for that price instead of trading for a headcase in Zambrano.
Big Z is a better pitcher than Lackey and AJ
If all goes according to plan, Montero will probably spend the year in AAA, with a possible September callup, and then start a good amount of games in 2011 with Posada mentoring him the way Girardi did in ’97.
As for the people who don’t want to trade Romine…I don’t either but think of what a stud catcher, packaged with a nice pitching prospect or two, could bring back in return.
This may be a little late but isn’t Milton Bradleey the guy who tried to run up the stairs in Arlington to beat up one of the guys announcing the game for talking about him? He is a pretty good player but to say he isn’t as much a hot head/ clubhouse problem as Zambrano is a bit of a stretch. Beating up a water cooler =/= trying to beat up a tv announcer. I don’t like either guy, they’re both nuts.
I don’t think Zambrano is better than Lackey and Burnett. His lifetime ERA is only .30 higher, and that’s in the NL Central, where the offense isn’t very good (aside from Pujols). Heck, Zambrano himself is probably one of the top 15 hitters in that division.
Even in some of his best seasons, he walked 100+ batters, which is a bit frightening. I would take him if it only cost Melky/Gardner + propects that are not in the Top 5 of the Yankees farm system. The Cubs would probably want more, though.
One kid that trenton will like is Brandon Laird. He has some great power swing. Not Montero type bombs, just long line drives. Neither he nor Romine are pull hitters and, though they don’t walk a lot, they don’t strike out, either. He needs work on defense, but, he can play.
Zambrano has a full no trade clause, iirc, he is being paid 18 Million a year. If he had an ERA of 3.77 in the NL, what would he have in the AL? 4.5 or higher? That’s a lot of coin for that.
Also, it could cost extra to waive the NTC.
I just don’t see it.
His lifetime ERA is only .30 *lower*
This is purely hypothetical so don’t crucify me for it but I would take Bradley over Zambrano in an instant.
Zambrano is owed far more money – 53.7 mil over the next 3 yrs with a 19 mil vesting option. Bradley is owed 9 mil then 12 mil for the next 2 yrs.
Bradley also is healthier at this point than Zambrano. Yeah I know Milton is always injured but Zambrano has consistently been out with back injuries and there’s talk of arm injuries with him.
Zambrano also has very troubling peripherals which really don’t translate to continued success – especially in the AL east. Bradley on the other hand continues to put up insane OBP numbers.
I just think the risk/reward is better with Bradley.
I thought Bradley is a Mariner now.
Bradley was traded to Seattle Patrick.
I have a name in mind that is probably the safest option for 2010 should the Yankees want another starting pitcher. I’m not saying I want this person but of Duchscherer, Sheets, Bedard and Wang, this is the only guy entering the season 100% healthy.
Who am I thinking of? Pedro Martinez.
Thoughts?
Patrick,
Milton Bradley was already traded to the Mariners.
Bronx,
I realize that. If you had been following posts in this thread you’d realize some people are discussing the two players and which one they’d rather have.
The Atlanta Braves may have an interest in Damon but would also like to have Swisher.
They’re dangling Javier Vasquez who has said he wants no part of the west coast.
In the only year (2004) Vasquez was a Yankee, it never seemed that Torre liked him but he does eat innings and has a nice walk / strikeout ratio.
I’d do a deal if it were Gardner and Mitre with Edwar Ramirez thrown in.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/....._id=134320
Damn I’d love Vazquez on this team but it would cost a lot to acquire him. Joba or Hughes plus prospects.
I don’t get the Pedro love or how he has the cojones to ask for “more than Penny”
He’s healthy?
More like he didn’t pitch enough last season to break down.
pedro made 9 starts last year, i dont think hes got much more than that in him and he wants at least $7.5M guaranteed.
thanks but no thanks
Zambrano’s agent hasn’t even been notified to ask if Zambrano might waive his no trade clause. This is an article written as pure speculation.
If the Cubs want one of the Yankee Cf’ers, let them offer Randy Wells for Brett Gardner. Even financial trade and both players about the same age.
Then be creative and sign Holliday.
Randy Wells Stats;
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=28943
Montero will be an all star in 2011
Zambrano,Aj and Lackey all have made roughly 240 starts and pitched 1500+ innings….
Carlos is 3yrs younger than Lackey and 4yrs younger than AJ
Carlos has given up the fewest hits and lackey the most(more than 1per inning)
All 3 have the same whip of 1.30
Carlos has the best .baa(.230) and Lackey the worst(.269)
Carlos has 170 more K’s than Lackey and 80 fewer than AJ but AJ has 80 more innings pitched
Carlos’ era is .30 better than lackey and .35 better than AJ
Carlos has been healthier than both guys and takes the ball every 5th day.
He’s better than both AJ and lackey imo. Younger and I think still has another level to go to
GB, Yankees Magazine did a feature on Gerald Laird recently – actually, their most recent show. He seems like a good kid……and isn’t his brother witht he Tigers?
I prefer Randy Wells over Vasquez. Cheaper, younger, and wouldn’t have to give up nearly as much. Plus, we get to keep Swish.
anyone who says trade for Milton Bradley is a moron and should stop posting. Thanx
i didnt think vazquez was that bad the first time around, but he was horrific in the PS, then he went to chicago and was ok, but horrific in the PS. now he’s a stud again b/c he went back to the n.l. which makes me suspicious.
i think you’d be buying him at his highest career point and that he wont hold up in the a.l.
I only have bad memories of Vasquez……and then we’d have a huge whole in the OF…..Ugh, Granderson, Melky and some mediocrity? No thanks.
Vazquez failed here once. He’s a nl pitcher. Choker
Exactly – no thanks. Let Vasquez stay in the NL where he’s best suited
also regarding vazquez, it wasnt just torre who didnt like him, ozzie hated him and chased him out of chicago, and i dont think frank robinson thought much of him in montreal either.
No thanks on Vasquez… he melts in big games. We saw first hand in 04 and even Ozzie Guillen said he doesn’t have the mental toughness to pitch in big spots.
“Bronx,
I realize that. If you had been following posts in this thread you’d realize some people are discussing the two players and which one they’d rather have.”
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Yeah but only in terms of which player represents the lesser of two evils.
I think the final analysis was that Bradley is better because he’s not a pitcher so if he breaks his hand punching a water cooler? It’s not as bad as if Zambrano does it.
If the Braves are now talking Vazquez, guess they hit a stonewall trying to dump underachiever and costly Derek Lowe.
Zombrano brings fire, passion, and leadership to the team.
Bring him aboard. He is a fierce competitor.
Vasquez will also net a greater return for Atlanta than Lowe will.
Lowe is a salary dump. Vasquez is a very good starting pitcher.
i could just imagine how well head-case zambrano would get along with hard-headed posada!
I hear that the Jesus rules say he cant catch more than 720 innings this season.
Yankee Trader
December 21st, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Zambrano’s agent hasn’t even been notified to ask if Zambrano might waive his no trade clause. This is an article written as pure speculation.
If the Cubs want one of the Yankee Cf’ers, let them offer Randy Wells for Brett Gardner. Even financial trade and both players about the same age.
Then be creative and sign Holliday.
Randy Wells Stats;
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/…..erId=28943
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Did the CUBS get another starter – or a ‘blue-chipper’ from AAA ?
Don’t think they’d unload Wells for Gardner…maybe for the ultra,ultra valuable Melky…..do that one in a flash !!!
For Gardner: they may flip Tall Sean Marshall for him; but I think that’s the best that they may offer.
Maybe we could ask for Harden for Melky; many would agree that is pretty even !!! (not)
“i could just imagine how well head-case zambrano would get along with hard-headed posada!”
Yeah, and Zambrano’s no El Duque!
Zambrano looks like he grew up on a cattle ranch branding cows & castrating bulls.
Sean Marshall
http://www.baseball-reference......se01.shtml
“Posada mentoring Montero”. Ahah. Talk about a straight line.
Pena and Girardi sitting on the bench. What’s Posada going to teach Montero?
I think it would be smart to have a coach in AAA this year that was a successful catcher. I know Dave Miley didnt play in the majors and im not sure what position he played anyway. But perhaps having someone down there to stay on him and help his D improve would be for the best.
Butch Wynegar is at SWB as coach.
Roadkill.
That is what the slow steady pressure is turning Boras’s resolve into.
It will lead to C-day.
And victory will be ours at Last.
I will consult the Oracle again tonite.
Perhaps, new answers will be forthcoming.
it is my hope.
The number will be severely cut but still very handsome.
the cut diamond will still be beautiful for Matt.
The Cards will visit the brewery to drown their tears.
” A bat and a Pitcher” says Cash.
A man of his word.
NJ is not the bat.
And the pitcher awaits us.
Cash shops as we speak.
Too fulfill his goals for Yanks.
Can’t wait to see our new toys.
And Butch had a couple good years with the Yanks.
I think it must have been tough being a catcher for the Yanks in those early post Thurman seasons.
Rick Cerone was first. Wynegar was 2nd.
I remember Wynegar…..also, Ron “Babe” Hassey was a favorite of mine
I also loved Mike Stanley
Blake-
The horse is gonna be in the barn soon. Roped to the hitchin’
post and ready to ride.
Soon.
Something is in the works. can’t you just sense it.
The deafening silence.
the false rumors.
The slow steady pressure of the Millwheel on Boras.
before Xmas . Any time now.
It’s too quiet. The quieter it is the more something’s going on.
And the oracle has spoken about it.
You can see the process hidden behind the veil.
5/85 – 6/100
The Cut diamond.
Believe.
I remember Phil Rizzuto scolding another Yank announcer (some dweeb can’t remember his name) about referring to Ron Hassey as ‘Babe’ when Hassey was going through a bried ‘great hitter’ period.
…’brief’ not ‘bried’
Just read the Yankees were billed nearly $26M for 2009 luxury tax. Last year’s threshold was $162M. A little math tells me that for luxury tax calculation purposes, the Yankees payroll in ’09 was roughly $227M ($65M over $162M x 40% = $26M).
“George Steinbrenner offered Carlton Fisk a contract, then withdrew the offer after getting a call from Chicago White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.”
Durring the “Collusion” Era of the 80s, Yanks could of had Fisk.
Whenever it’s “too quiet” like this something is definitely up.
Hey! Anybody here watching the sing off?
Phil-
I sense it.
Our fly on the wall has been notably absent.
Why ?
Because it’s over – Nope.
Because the deal is in the works and he can’t chance compromising the info. – Yep.
believe it.
“if the Yankees think Montero is their future catcher, what are they going to do with Romine (even though he’s better defensively)?”
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is Romine better defensively?
I seem to recall a few people dismissing that, including GB7?
From what I’ve read, Montero was originally considered poor defensively. Even though he started to improve, he couldn’t shake that stigma of being weak behind the plate. Those who actually watch the players play (novel concept) felt Montero was at least as good behind the plate, if not better, than Romine.
Many writers just used old information and continue to suggest that Montero is weaker than Romine behind that plate, despite it not being true.
I haven’t actually watched them, so I am at the mercy of those who have… though I do know that probably 95% of those who write about these players did not watch them on a regular basis.
No leaks allowed until the horse is in the barn, roped to the hutchin post, sadddled and READy to ride.
Too dangerous for the fly.
I have always thought they should have given Vasquez another season here in NY. He wasn’t all that bad. it was an uneven experience, but I think he was figuring it out. Who knows what he could do now.
But if Cash is looking for a #4 or #5 guy to fill out the rotation, he could do worse. depends on the cost.
MTU
You are indeed on a mission.
I heard on the XM baseball radio this afternoon that Carlos Zambrano’s agent said that Carlos was not interesting in waiving his NTC to go to the Yankees. So, unless they were making it up, Zambrano’s agent has been heard from.
where in the world is Lost-Holliday-In ??
MTU, I hope you are right. I don’t think any of the pitchers that are left are significant upgrades over what they have except maybe Sheets and he obviously is an injury risk. I think Holliday upgrades the lineup more than any remaining pitchers can upgrade the rotation.
Doreen-
the way cash does things(IMO):
1 FA
2 Trades- bargain bin
3 Trades- Full monty
He’s methodical. He follows a process.
Kind of like Col. Kurtz was.
I am sure it is late news but if any one has yet to get the 2009 commeorative issue World Champions Sports Illustrated.All Yankees issue, it is the best 8 dollars i spent all year. Great articles on CC ,Tex The whole team and amazing picturesfrom the entire season. If every one has this already I apoligize But Its deff a must have thats the only reason I brought it up.
Blake-
That FACT plays right into our hands.
the horror
“The horror! The horror! …”
Blake-
Why?
Because it makes getting more offense all the more imperative.
more than one way to Checkmate.
When one way closes off the other becomes the only solution.
The pieces have to be moved. Their is no status quo in Yankee land.
Olney tweets he hears the Yankees are working feverishly on a deal for a starting pitcher.
Bronx-
only if you are St. Louie.
Can someone give a brief account of “bobcat”??
When was he here and what was posted??
I think the knock on Montero is partly due to his size as a teenager. He’s not Mauer big as in tall, he’s thick, which SUGGESTS lack of quickness and mobility, and which further SUGGESTS greater “thickness” as he matures.
I’m not stating these as facts, only postulating on why he’s regarded the way he is by scouts.
Uncle-
How do you know I am not Bobcat ?
APNewsBreak: Yanks hit with $25.7M luxury tax
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....uxury-tax/
NEW YORK — Winning came with a hefty price for the New York Yankees.
The World Series champions were hit with a luxury tax of nearly $25.69 million Monday, according to information received by clubs and obtained by The Associated Press.
New York is the only team to pay a tax for this season and has crossed the threshold in all seven years since the tax started. According to the collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees must send a check to the commissioner’s office by Jan. 31.
The Yankees have been billed $174 million of the tax’s $190 million total since 2003. The only other teams to pay have been Boston ($13.9 million for 2004-7), Detroit ($1.3 million for 2008) and the Los Angeles Angels ($927,059 for 2004).
At least the Yankees got value for their spending, winning the World Series for the first time since 2000 after adding high-priced free agents CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira. And the Yankees did lower their tax bill from $26.86 million last year, when their streak of consecutive playoff appearances ended at 13.
New York’s payroll was $226.2 million for the purpose of the luxury tax and the Yankees pay at a 40 percent rate for the amount over $162 million. To compute the payroll, Major League Baseball uses the average annual values of contracts for players on 40-man rosters and adds benefits.
The Yankees’ regular payroll – using 2009 salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses – finished at $220 million. That was a drop of $2.5 million from 2008 but more than $77.8 million higher than any other team – a gap larger than the payrolls of the bottom 11 clubs.
Story continues below
The New York Mets were second at $142.2 million, followed by the equally disappointing Chicago Cubs ($141.6 million).
Boston ($140.5 million) was next, followed by Detroit ($139.4 million) and NL champion Philadelphia ($138.3 million), a big increase from the $112.7 million the Phillies spent when they won the World Series in 2008.
Only two teams outside the top 11 by payroll made the postseason: Colorado (16th at $84.5 million) and Minnesota (23rd at $73.1 million).
Florida again was last in the majors, even though the Marlins raised their payroll by $10.5 million to $37.5 million. San Diego dropped from 23rd at $71.2 million to 29th at $43.2 million.
Half the 30 teams cut payroll from 2008. In addition to the Padres, Seattle dropped from $120.5 million to $102.3 million, Toronto fell from $98.3 million to $84.1 million and Cincinnati sliced from $82.9 million to $72.7 million.
Besides the Phillies, other teams with big increases were Tampa Bay ($51.0 million to $71.2 million), San Francisco ($82.1 million to $95.2 million), Kansas City ($69.2 million to $81.9 million), the Cubs ($130.5 million to $141.6 million) and Washington ($59.7 million to $69.3 million).
Overall payroll rose 1.2 percent to $2.91 billion from $2.88 billion, down from a 6.3 percent increase the previous year.
Payroll figures are for 40-man rosters and include salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses, earned incentive bonuses, non-cash compensation, buyouts of unexercised options and cash transactions, such as money included in trades. In some cases, parts of salaries that are deferred are discounted to reflect present-day values.
The commissioner’s office computed the average salary at $2,882,336. The players’ association, which uses slightly different methods of calculation, had its average at $2,996,106.
Victor Zambrano is a horse on the hill…..He’d have no problem transitioning to the AL East….He’d still be a horse vs. the 61, 27 Yanks….I know this is all bs, but the man can flat out pitch…..High strung and frustrated with The Cubbies and Wrigley……..CB, I’m just getting caught up on the day’s postings….As for Melky, my take on your evaluation and how his numbers shake out were stunning to me……I view as a better than average catch and throw, with decent coverage….As for his stick, that’s were I was taken back some…I think he’ll be a .280 hitter with 20 homerun pop…..He just kills himself chasing 2 strike high fastballs….If he can somehow manage to get improve his production when in a pitchers count he’ll hit .280 …..I view your evauations with great respect, for all those who share their opinions here, I just think you’re the person with a GM’s mentality…..I do think this is the season for Melky to take the next step, and I think he will…..The real question is will this occur in Yankee Pinstripes….
“Heard this: Yankees working very hard tonight on deal for starting pitcher. Remember that they came close to deal for Aaron Harang in summer”
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/6913118933
Tom-
Trades-Bargain Bin- Teams who need to cut payroll/Salary dump.
MTU
December 21st, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Uncle-
How do you know I am not Bobcat ?
For all I know you are. I figure the others here would have called you on it already.
I’m trying to figure out if I was around when he was here. I do remember Lost in Texas last year.
Was Bobcat involved in that?
Bronx-
only if you are St. Louie.
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Is this more cryptic stuff? I don’t know who that is.
Redux? French outpost scene?
Or Heart of Darkness?
If so, you’re mistaking me for someone more literate.
Uncle-
“you only hear what they want you to hear”
I think so.
Bronx-
The cardinals.
He means bad news for The Cardinals’ chances to get Holliday
the horror
Redux was interesting but the original cut rules
did i break some blog rule by naming the cat person bob?
so anything to olney’s tweet?
cubs maybe?
zambrano? (although with lilly i think out until may or june, (i think i heard), how do you trade another pitcher?
Uncle-
I doubt it.
Sg1-jaffa: i love your screen name
MTU
do you know who “the Hybrid” is?
In the very near future, I see the Yanks acquiring a pitcher… my crystal ball is foggy… but his name sounds like Lemon Marangue.
Kaiser Soze?
Tom-
For example the Reds.
Tigers.
Who else is hurting ?
numerous. i would think.
Too bloated for the budget.
Declining attendance.
Things needing to be balanced.Chopped.
and he plays for the Reds right now
Uncle-
I am here only for “The production” ?
Holy Nostradamus!
Dueling prognosticators?
My brother just said the Yanks are working on a deal for a SP…I hope that’s right cuz we really need one…I just hope beyond words we get a young, solid SP rather than another Marte or Andy Pettitte (I’m not saying they’re the same, just saying they’re both not as good as we need them to be).
Bobcat-
too easy . harang.
Reminder:
MPB Johnny Damon on WWE Monday Night Raw
Mulva?
Gil Meche
Jeremy Bonderman
Jake Westbrook
Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Erica–you need to let Johnny go. For all our sakes.
Bobcat-
I do not think he is all that good. However, he is in the bargain bin/salary dump pile.
And the return pieces are ?
What do the Reds need ?
not sure about Harang. As a 5th starter, you could do far worse. He makes $12.5M this year with a club option for 2011 at 12.75M with a 2M buyout.
so the Yanks would owe at least $14.5M and 1 year.
If the Reds ask for nothing in return and/or send a few million NY’s way.. then maybe.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Mulva?
*****
Bovary?????????
“Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Sg1-jaffa: i love your screen name
”
Was thinking of using Bra’tac or Selmak of the Tok’Ra
Tom–are we in the running for gil meche?
Valerie G.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Erica–you need to let Johnny go. For all our sakes.
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Umm….. False
Tom-
using cashman logic. The answer is ?
Meche.
Haha go with Selmak. I’m so glad to have found a fellow Stargate fan…nobody seems to like the shows. So are you watching Stargate Universe or no?
Tom-
what do the royals covet.
Hint: he’s fast.
# Betsy – high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I also loved Mike Stanley
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Do you remember Mark Salas?
I met Mike Stanley when he won Newsday Yankee of the Year.
Went into Yankee dugout, met Wade Boggs, met the Scooter in the elevator.
Meche.
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Meche for Leche?
The Cardinals?
Now is not the time to be literal as were getting closer and closer.
I am an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.
Erica
nicely done
Mick-
Nope.
Faster. like a speeding bullet.
OHHHHHHHHHHH, Dolores!
The Duke is on deck!!!
I am an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.
Elaine?
Tom on NJ:
I believe your 5 picks are viable and do have potential, but I cannot envision any one of them being an especially effective SP or “Innings Eater” in the # 4 Spot of our Rotation.
Consider me unimpressed if that’s the direction we’re going in.
Metsblog also claimed that a Yankee official stated that the Yankees are working on a big acquisition.
You can definitely tell that Cashman is up to something.
erica–he won’t be resigned. where would he play?
I just hope beyond words we get a young, solid SP rather than another Marte or Andy Pettitte (I’m not saying they’re the same, just saying they’re both not as good as we need them to be).
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Ummm, how good do you need them to be? Because they were both more than good enough in the postseason.
MTU
December 21st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Tom-
what do the royals covet.
Hint: he’s fast.
Izzy Mandlebaum?
Cro-
do not fear.
If the cupoard is bare.
We go fully monty.
If necessary.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Erica
nicely done
******
Why thank you Uncle E
The Cro–We don’t need an innings eater; we need a SP. And I’d go with Meche if we can get him.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I am an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.
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Peterman in Myamar.
Valerie G.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:12 pm
erica–he won’t be resigned. where would he play?
*******
Part-time OF/DH, of course
You think youre better than me?
stuckey–I’m not a big Andy fan…he’s inconsistent at best…and Marte is not a viable starter.
MTU:
I’m with you.
I think it will be Derek Lowe.
Atlanta throws in some money too.
OR:
we can just create the MACHINE and use the KIDS.
What the heck…
Aroldis Chapman
Derek Lowe or Aaron Harang…
erica–we shouldn’t pay millions of $$ for a part time OF/DH that we don’t really need. besides, he practically begged to go back to Boston in that interview after the world series, so I say they can have him.
erica…can you let me know when Johnny appears on raw? what channel cablevision?
ITS ALL GOOD.
never get out of the boat
I hope its not Lowe, the Braves would have to eat a lot of that contract before I’d trade for him.
CB-
Aroldis is in another bin.
You should know that !!!!!
uncle,
are you the Walrus?
mick
December 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
erica…can you let me know when Johnny appears on raw? what channel cablevision?
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Its on USA. He’s hosting the show and doing commentary, so I think he’ll be in most of it. I am not watching it now, I am DVRing it for later
and I hope they aren’t dealing Swisher unless the “Hollidays” are upon us.
Labelled.
“Future stars”
mick
December 21st, 2009 at 9:17 pm
uncle,
are you the Walrus?
Erica do you know the answer to this?
“I hope its not Lowe, the Braves would have to eat a lot of that contract before I’d trade for him.”
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the Braves might be happy to eat some of the contract. They have a surplus and need to free up money to add a few more pieces.
A Lowe point in Cashman’s dealings? ugg.
Valerie G.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
erica–we shouldn’t pay millions of $$ for a part time OF/DH that we don’t really need. besides, he practically begged to go back to Boston in that interview after the world series, so I say they can have him.
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Valerie-
I have no idea what you are referring to with Johnny going back to Boston. There is no such interview. I don’t really feel like getting into an arguement. I am very happy with my “Bring Johnny Back” pipedream. If you don’t like it, I suggest ignoring it
okeydoke…i got it…some midgets on now
Blake-
you may speaketh the truth.
Uncle is the eggman. Coo coo cha choo.
Tough to see the team taking on a big salary guy like Harang unless they get a significant amount of money coming back.
Goes even more so for Lowe.
There does seem to be something going on and it seems to be centered around pitching.
Besides, we all know the Walrus was Paul.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 9:18 pm
mick
December 21st, 2009 at 9:17 pm
uncle,
are you the Walrus?
Erica do you know the answer to this?
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I am he
As you are he
And you are me
And we are altogther
Here’s another clue for you all…
yankees will announce starting pitcher acquired by midnight
Blake-
You have done so before.
Valerie G:
I agree with you that Meche was the “best of the bunch” that Tom put out there.
The only reason I mentioned having an “Innings Eater” in the # 4 spot of our rotation as well is that – since the # 5 Spot is slated to be filled by Phil Hughes or Joba – it would be great to have an SP who could also give you length in their starts as we don’t know (for sure) how the Young Guns are going to fare.
If we could pencil in a solid SP who could also give us 180-200 Innings this Season, that would be HUGE.
erica–the interview exists. i will say no more.
look at them run
like pigs from a gun
see how they fly
Valerie G.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
erica–the interview exists. i will say no more.
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Well, thats simple then. Find it
CB-
The WHEELS continue to TURN with or without the final prize.
The CHESSGAME stops at CHECKMATE !
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 21st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Here’s another clue for you all…
*******
Looking through a glass onion
Boston Dave, even so I don’t think Lowe will transition very well back to the AL east at this point in his career. He’s a guy that will take the ball every 5th day but thats about it, maybe thats all they want.
Cro-
Not the main factor.
It’s the where.
Damon hates the RS.
I told you ’bout the fool on the hill
I tell you man he livin there still
You people have gone over the edge!
Completely certifiable!!!
the cro–that makes sense…
MTU
December 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Blake-
The horse is gonna be in the barn soon. Roped to the hitchin’
post and ready to ride.
Soon.
Something is in the works. can’t you just sense it.
The deafening silence.
the false rumors.
The slow steady pressure of the Millwheel on Boras.
before Xmas . Any time now.
It’s too quiet. The quieter it is the more something’s going on.
And the oracle has spoken about it.
You can see the process hidden behind the veil.
5/85 – 6/100
The Cut diamond.
Believe.
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stop teasing
number nine, number nine, number nine
The PITCHING is a sideshow at the Circus.
Focus on the Center Ring.
That’s where the best entertainment is to be had.
That is really why you came.
“stuckey–I’m not a big Andy fan…he’s inconsistent at best…and Marte is not a viable starter.”
I didn’t realize we were even considering Marte a starter.
And by inconsistent you mean in the ironic sense/sarcastic sense, then I agree, because he’s perhaps the most consistent pitcher of this past decade, up to and including the past 4 season.
Andy Petttitte is going to make 33 or so starts. Will pitch 205 or so innings, which pitcher to a ERA in the lower 4′s an win you 14 games.
I’m sorry, I know it’s popular to say everyone merely has different opinions, but this simply factually wrong.
erica–will do. i’ll have it posted w/in 24 hrs. if i don’t, well i guess i was wrong then.
Bru-
If I thought it was teasing I wouldn’t bother.
Cash is very sneaky. He is probably considering a good but not great pitcher we haven’t even thought about. Someone like Ricky Nolasco for example.
stuckey–i’m sorry…i disagree.
“Andy Petttitte is going to make 33 or so starts. Will pitch 205 or so innings, which pitcher to a ERA in the lower 4’s an win you 14 games.”
For a starting pitcher if you can pretty much mark that down every year then that has a ton of value. Consistent pitching year in year out is tough to find.
blake,
you may very well be right.
I just remember the Yanks had some interest in Lowe last year.
I think they’d need to get quite a few $$ back, but Atlanta seems very interested in moving him to free up some cash.
Lowe for 3/$30M wouldn’t be too bad. I’m not advocating it, just trying to guess what the Yanks are up to like the rest of us.
He’s better than Marquis, right?
A coffee dessert, yes you know it’s good news,
But you’ll have to have them all pulled out after the savoy truffle.
sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
crabalocka fishwife
The CHESSGAME stops at CHECKMATE !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
It’s funny because even the Liontamer does not know the exact action of his Whip on the lion.
All he knows Is the Whip is effective in some way.
And he will get the result needed.
only to find Gideon’s bible…
MTU
Having been some days in preparation
a splendid time is guaranteed for all
stuckey–i’d like to clarify. pettitte is inconsistent in that one start he’ll throw a 2-hitter, and the next will be 4 runs given up in the first inning. the stats are averaged, so it gives a false impression of his overall worth as a starter. he is inconsistent–and the stats don’t show it.
Zambrano is owed around 53M over the next 3 years, IIRC.
The yankees wanted money back from chicago to even consider the deal per Davidoff.
Lowe is owed 45M over the next 3 years.
And whatever you think of Zambrano, he’s better than Lowe.
Lowe seems like a poor fit given the contract. Atlanta would have to east so much of the deal that I don’t see how it works for both sides.
Tom on N.J.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Gil Meche = Garbage
Jeremy Bonderman = Always Injured
Jake Westbrook = Loser
Aaron Harang = Sux
Bronson Arroyo = Biggggerrrrr Loser
GO GET KING FELIX
I rather have Joba and Hughes
Ken_Rosenthal Source: Yankees in “active negotiations” for a starting pitcher. Not Harang. Trying to find out who.
half a minute ago from web
tough decisions… sucks that matsui, damon, swisher and cabrera are expendable on a championship year…
that being said, i think zambrano could be good as a second or third starter. he should probably take some xanax before games though lol.
I like Montero as a right fielder for the Yankees. He has the arm. Yankee Stadium right field is small so you don’t have to be a big range guy to play there. More importantly, it takes him away from being a catcher. At his size, he’ll ruin his knees and become heavy legged with all of that squatting. Plus there’s the injuries, he already broke a finger. A guy with a bat like his is better off in the outfield – catching will severely cut down on his longevity as a big time hitter. Plus – the Yankees need outfielders and, with Romine and Cervelli around, they won’t need catchers. It makes so much sense, Cashman will never do it.
My man ko fiercely hates Cashman. Until about 16 months ago, I did too. Then Cashman started focusing on pitching, signing the right free agents and making some quality trades which showed some ingenuity on his part.
I don’t like Montero in right field. Catchers historically move to first base for a reason… they can handle grounders much better than they can handle the range required to play outfield at the major league level.
Montero is built like Adam Dunn. And like Dunn, Montero should move to first base if he’s not going to catch long term. But, oops, problem is we have Tex playing first for the next seven years. Therefore, Montero will be given every opportunity to catch at the big league level. Offensive minded catchers are like precious jewels. You find one, you polish it, protect it and let it shine baby!
Right field? We can always find a right fielder.