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Newman’s take on the utility infield mix

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As we’ve discussed here a few times, the Yankees have four young middle infielders on the 40-man roster, and unless they make a move to bring a veteran into spring training, one of those four will win the utility infield job in New York. Here’s Mark Newman’s take on the four candidates.

Eduardo Nunez
• Least experienced of the group, having advanced to Triple-A only for the playoffs last season.
• There’s little reason to question the bat. He hit .322 with nine homers and 19 stolen bases in Trenton, and Newman was encouraged by improved plate discipline in the second half.
• The ugly number is the 33 errors he commited. “There’s nothing more common than young infielders making errors,” Newman said. “It’s concentration and fundamental consistency.”
• It’s the need for consistency that will likely send him to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre instead of New York. “He’s needs to be more consistent defensively so that the staff (in New York) can be comfortable.”

Reegie Corona
• Has moved between second and shortstop throughout his career, but played a lot of short late last season in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. “He was better (at shortstop) than we thought he was going to be,” Newman said.
• Corona can run and he’s good enough on defense, especially at second base. He’s also shown a good eye at the plate throughout his career. He spent most of last year in Double-A and had more walks than strikeouts there.
• After a horrible first few weeks in Triple-A, and a demotion back to Double-A, Corona seemed to wake up at the end of the season and played well in the Triple-A playoffs. He’s continued playing well in winter ball.
• “We just needed to get his head out of his rear end in Triple-A,” Newman said.

Kevin Russo
• Probably the most advanced hitter of the bunch, but the one with the least shortstop experience. He’s been mostly a second baseman in his career, but shows a strong arm at third. Also has some time in the outfield.
• “He can play enough shortstop to be (a utility infielder),” Newman said. “And some outfield. I think he’s probably best at third.”
• Russo was the Triple-A International League’s postseason all-star at second base. He hit .326 with a .397 on-base percentage and 13 stolen bases. He started to show some power in the last month or so of the season.
• “He’s an interesting player,” Newman said. “There’s some Jerry Hairston in him, and Jerry was a heckuva player for us. Of course, the key with those guys is being good enough defensively that the manager is comfortable putting you out there.”

Ramiro Pena
• If he were to open the season back in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Pena would probably have to split time at shortstop with Nunez, but Newman doesn’t expect that to be a problem.
• “I think Pena is going to be in New York,” Newman said. “Those guys really like him.”
• Pena is the star defensive player of the group. He’s outstanding at shortstop and quickly proved himself at third, having hardly played the position in his life. He saw some time in center field late last year in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
• Pena has never been a great hitter in his career, but at the end of 2008, his bat started to show some signs of life. Those signs kept showing when he went to winter ball a year ago. Last year, in New York, he hit .287, higher than his single-season batting average at any minor league stop along the way.
• Ideally, with Pena in the mix, a team would like to have a second utility guy who handles the infield corners (kind of like Eric Hinske this year). “Get a little more bat off the bench with that corner utility guy,” Newman said. “And then have Ramiro Pena who can play anywhere and pinch run.” Getting that second utility guy depends on how the bench shapes up, though.

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678 Responses to “Newman’s take on the utility infield mix”

  1. Nud December 21st, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    bring on the Duke!!

  2. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    what is Newman’s take on the apparent mystery starting pitcher the yanks are about to get??

  3. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Heck, Carlos Zambrano is a better hitter than Gardner; and hits more homers than Melky and Gardner together, he can be our new LFer. His arm has been proven to be pretty darn strong too.

  4. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    ““We just needed to get his head out of his rear end in Triple-A,” Newman said.”

    ———–

    just say it Mark, “ass!”

  5. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    The CHESSGAME stops at CHECKMATE !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

    “the Queens we use would not excite you”

  6. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Repost:

    It’s funny because even the Liontamer does not know the exact action of his Whip on the lion.

    All he knows Is the Whip is effective in some way.

    And he will get the result needed.

    Leave a Reply

  7. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Olney thinks it’s a pitcher. I still think misdirection is going on.

  8. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    chad: you are the man.

    thank you, for what you do

  9. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Hey Bulldog

  10. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Uncle-

    And when it is over I will return to K-Pax.

  11. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    “It’s a process”

  12. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    stuckey–did you get my last post on the previous thread?

  13. Nud December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    “something big” would be a pitcher that most don’t expect…..like Josh Johnson

  14. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    How does it feel to be one of the beautiful people
    Now that you know who you are
    What do you want to be and have you traveled very far
    Far as the eye can see.

    Soon to be Holliday’s theme?

  15. CB December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Zambrano is owed around 53M over the next 3 years, IIRC.

    The yankees wanted money back from chicago to even consider the deal per Davidoff.

    Lowe is owed 45M over the next 3 years.

    And whatever you think of Zambrano, he’s better than Lowe.

    Lowe seems like a poor fit given the contract. Atlanta would have to east so much of the deal that I don’t see how it works for both sides.

  16. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    MTU
    December 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    Uncle-

    And when it is over I will return to K-Pax.

    Will you go to lunch!?

    Go TO LUNCH!

  17. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Olney is frequently sent on fool’s missions. Is he not ?

    He is only a Knave. Not a true man of Knowledge.

  18. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Good point, Phil. Very possible that’s the case.

  19. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Nud–I was just talking about Josh Johnson with my brother…I wouldn’t really approve of that move.

  20. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    “I’m fixing a hole”

    Cashman

  21. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Abdababdaserser–
    what’s that from?

  22. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    - per MLB Trade Rumors:

    8:07pm: Could this be related to what David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote in the comments section of his blog earlier this evening?

    “Got a call from a NY writer today wanting to know if I’d heard anything heating up between Yankees and Braves…. Apparently Yankees have hinted at doing “something big” soon. Don’t know if that means pitching”.

    Hard to imagine the Yankees will go another round with Javier Vazquez, but could this mean Derek Lowe? Like Harang, the Yankees could be among the few teams able to take on Lowe’s three-year, $45MM deal.

  23. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    No to Lowe….Please Brian, no Lowe….

  24. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Got to admit its getting better?????

  25. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    He went out Tiger hunting with his elephant and gun…

  26. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Valerie, Baby I’m a rich man

  27. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 21st, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    Got to admit its getting better?????

    it can’t get no worse

  28. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    trades-bargain bin/SALARY DUMPS.

    Lowe ??????

  29. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Oh honey pie my position is tragic.
    Come and show me the magic..

    let there be news soon!

  30. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Abdababdaserser –thanks!

  31. CB December 21st, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Chad,

    Really enjoying your work. Glad to see you’re carrying over the pieces with Newman to the blog here.

    It would be very interesting to hear from Newman on his take regarding some of the promising pitchers in the lower minors:

    - Aroldys Vizcaino
    - Manuel Banuelos
    - Jose Ramirez
    - Jairo Heredia

  32. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Watch the blender as it swirls the contents.

    Watch it all you like.

    You can’t see the mix.

    Until it stops.

    But the watching is fun.

  33. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    A hint on how I feel about Lowe…

    And I’m not what I appear to be. (think title)

  34. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Its a dirty story of a dirty man,
    And his clinging wife doesnt understand.
    His son is working for the Daily Mail,
    Its a steady job,
    But he wants to be a paperback writer,

  35. Jimbo December 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Great information. We are fortunate to have someone feeding us these Yankee insights!

  36. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    What’s with all the song lyrics tonight lol?

  37. Frank & Beans (Duck Fuke) December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Tom on N.J.
    December 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Gil Meche = Garbage

    Jeremy Bonderman = Always Injured

    Jake Westbrook = Loser

    Aaron Harang = Sux

    Bronson Arroyo = Biggggerrrrr Loser

    GO GET KING FELIX

    I rather have Joba and Hughes

  38. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Nowhere Man
    Please listen
    you don’t know what you’re missin

  39. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    my assignment should be over soon.

  40. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    It won’t be long yeh, yeh,
    It won’t be long yeh, yeh,
    It won’t be long yeh, yeh….

  41. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Its a dirty story of a dirty man,
    And his clinging wife doesnt understand.
    His son is working for the Daily Mail,
    Its a steady job,
    But he wants to be a paperback writer,

    Torre?

  42. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    this is funny :-)

    i feel like reciting the lyrics of Enter Sandman.

  43. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    F and B-

    that’s not a bin CASH looks in this year.

  44. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    KenDavidoff

    Hear that #Yankees have “two or three” serious trade talks for starting pitcher – A. Harang isn’t one of them.

  45. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    The’ll be over soon they said
    but the’ve lost themselves instead

    Blue Jay Way – Halladay

  46. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    It may be labelled “future targets”

  47. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    if it is Lowe, the off-season has taken a leap backwards.

  48. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    If it was Lowe, we could have gotten it done in 10 minutes. I don’t think it’s Lowe.

  49. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Vasquez would be light years better than Lowe….Actually he’d be a fine pickup…..He was nicked up in 2004 after the All-Star appearence…..He probably should have passed on The Summer Classic

  50. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Valerie, that might not quite fit the theme of the evening… but its acceptable at anytime to honor Mo!

  51. PittsburghYankeeFan December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    OK, Bobcatus.

    Aaron Harang? 6-14? ERA 4 ish? WHIP 1.33? Owed millions? Age 31? On what planet does that occur?

    Be careful, O bobcat, there’s no endangered species protection on this blog…

  52. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Phil the Thrill–good point.

    Any chancce it’s Zambrano after all?

  53. mick December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Her name was magil and she called herself lil
    but everyone knew her as nancy

  54. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Rodg12-

    How many arms does an OCTOPUS have ?

  55. PittsburghYankeeFan December 21st, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Gardner plus prospects for Meche? Why would KC pull that trigger?

  56. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Now its time to say goodnight
    good night
    sleep tight
    when the Sun turns out its light
    good night

  57. Triple short of a Cycle December 21st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Maybe they are discussing Lowe or Zambrano

  58. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Abdababdaserser –haha well, in that case (to honor mo):

    Say your prayers little one
    Don’t forget my son
    To include everyone

    I tuck you in, warm within
    Keep you free from sin
    ‘Til the sandman he comes…

  59. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Vazquez always follows good years with bad years, pass on the bad cycle.

  60. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Cashman: Try to see it my way,
    Do I have to keep on talking till I can’t go on?
    While you see it your way,
    Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone.

  61. blake December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    “something big” would be a pitcher that most don’t expect…..like Josh Johnson”

    That would be something…highly unlikely because of the deal that the Marlins turned down from Texas already but you never know.

  62. pat December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Repost

    Ken_Rosenthal Source: Yankees in “active negotiations” for a starting pitcher. Not Harang. Trying to find out who.
    half a minute ago from web

  63. Ninja Burglar December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    I’ll never forget when Pena got the silent treatment after hitting his first career home run. Good stuff.

  64. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Budget. What Budget ?

    Straight from the Oracle, and I quote below:

    “The purse may be tightening a bit, but it is still very very full.”

  65. mick December 21st, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    I read the news today, oh boy
    about a lucky man who made the grade

    His name was Holliday oh boy….

  66. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Johnny Damon:
    You know, if you break my heart I’ll go
    But I’ll be back again :-)

  67. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    MTU -

    The common answer would be 8. However, it’s much more accurate to say they have 6 arms and two legs…

  68. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    I’m the same boy I used to be

  69. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Blake-

    Think CENTER RING at the circus.

  70. pat December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal This would be a trade, not a free-agent signing.
    3 minutes ago from web

  71. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    so is this yankees-pitcher talk a smokescreen? Or are they legitimately pursuing a pitcher right now?

  72. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Half of what I know is meaningless.

  73. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Rodg12-

    The exact # is not the point. Just that he has many.

  74. braeden December 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    LOWE IS 36 until June. Why Yankees WHY would you even consider this guy? Repeat ….Must get Younger NOW!!

  75. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Uncle-
    And you are not yet the boy you will become.

  76. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    From Buster O on Twitter:
    “Yankees working very hard tonight on deal for starting pitcher. Remember that they came close to deal for Aaron Harang in summer”

    Lots of sources saying that yanks are trying to acquire a pitcher…It would have to be a trade. Melky or Gardner for Lilly?

  77. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Didn’t anybody tell her
    Didn’t anybody see
    Sundays on the phone to Monday
    Tuesdays on the phone to me.

  78. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    stuckey–i’d like to clarify. pettitte is inconsistent in that one start he’ll throw a 2-hitter, and the next will be 4 runs given up in the first inning. the stats are averaged, so it gives a false impression of his overall worth as a starter. he is inconsistent–and the stats don’t show it.

    ___________________________________

    I’m not sure the point of this micro-analysis. Are you arguing his 33+ starts, 200+ innings, and 4.2-something ERA and 14+ wins are of less value those of a pitcher who produces the SAME cumulative results but somehow never pitches as well as Pettitte sometimes does but doesn’t pitch as badly as Pettitte sometimes does?

    How does the benefit in that specific sort of execution manifest itself in value to the Yankees?

  79. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Vinny-

    Machines sometimes do more than one thing at a time. Right ?

  80. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Has Lost in… been heard from today? I have guests so I’ve been in and out of here.

  81. Benny Blanco December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    I sense a disturbance in the force.

  82. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    We would sing and dance around
    because we know we can’t be found
    I’d like to be under the sea
    In an octopus’ garden in the shade

  83. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    It can’t be a front line starting pitcher there are none available for trade that I can think of. I guess it is one of these guys:
    Lowe, Lilly, Gill Meche, Arroyo…who could it be?

  84. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Just to play the game – Matt Cain.

    The Giants need offense in the WORST way.

  85. PittsburghYankeeFan December 21st, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    This thread has gotten very weird.

    Where is Lost in Holliday In? Lost?

  86. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Stuckey–because we win more games if we’re behind fewer times.

  87. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 21st, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Golden Slumbers

  88. bru December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Nud
    December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm
    “something big” would be a pitcher that most don’t expect…..like Josh Johnson

    ———————————————————–

    that is the only name i want to hear

  89. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    MTU:

    NYY signs Holliday. NYY trades Swisher to Atlanta Braves

    ?

  90. PittsburghYankeeFan December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    If they trade Melky or Gardner, it can also mean only one thing…

  91. mick December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    arroyo is a possibility

  92. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    “LOWE IS 36 until June. Why Yankees WHY would you even consider this guy? Repeat ….Must get Younger NOW!!”

    I agree. I like lowe, but he was bad last year and makes a ton i mean a ton of money..Getting lowe makes no sense….melky for lilly? I love lilly, but then the yanks need another outfielder..maybe it opens the door for damon to come back on a oneyear deal

  93. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Phil-

    No.

    He is sworn to secrecy for the moment.

    While the Horse is brought back to the barn, roped to the rail, and is secured for use at any time in the future.

  94. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    I am a long time lurker here- A buddy of mine lives in Miami and apparantly there is serious talk down there about Johnson

  95. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    sleeps in a hole in the road
    saving up to buy some clothes
    keeps a ten mark note up his nose
    such a mean old man

  96. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth….I dig the fact that You’re a Beatles fan…….I have the entire Re-Mastered collection…It’s like hearing them for the first time….Almost what they sounded like in George Martin’s headphones……Their ” One ” album / CD was the top selling record for the decade, and they are just behind Emiminme ( ? ) for the top selling artist for the decade….Not bad considering they last recorded 40 years ago……

  97. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    River Ave. Blues posters are saying it could be Zito…that would be a very bad idea, although he was great in the AL, so…

  98. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    “something big” would be a pitcher that most don’t expect…..like Josh Johnson”

    I can’t see it. I would think they would have to give up a lot to get him…

  99. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    KenDavidoff Tweeps, I’m not teasing you. I don’t know who the pitchers/teams are re: #Yankees trades. Trying to find out…

  100. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    i would love j. johnson though..

  101. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    vinny–I hope not.

  102. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    “December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    River Ave. Blues posters are saying it could be Zito”

    Zito? can’t be…

  103. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Vinny-

    My focus is directed to the CENTER RING.

    There may be other things going on at the same time.

    The CENTER RING is capable of operating independently.

  104. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    the marlins just turned down Smoak and Feliz for Josh Johnson

    are the yanks going to offer montero, joba, and more?

    i doubt it

  105. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Enough–why not?

  106. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Zito? No effin’ way. That would be terrible….

  107. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    It’s not going to be Johnson. The Marlins are experts in trading young players, it’s not going to happen without a huge auction.

    And if Davidoff is correct – the yankees are exploring 2-3 deals for starting pitching.

    A johnson deal isn’t one where you’re just looking at 2-3 different players and then you decide on johnson. If he’s on the table that would likely be the only focus.

  108. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Man. I can’t go to bed knowing the Yankees are about to pull a “huge” trade.

    This is exciting and nerve racking at the same time !!

    time to make some coffee

  109. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    im telling you. zambrano.

  110. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I agree Zito would be a bad option…I was just saying…

  111. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Just to play the game – Matt Cain
    ————————————–

    I don’t believe they’d give up Cain for Swisher or Melky

  112. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    “Think CENTER RING at the circus.”

    I think I got it!

    The Hendersons will dance and sing
    As Mr. Kite flies through the RING don’t be late
    Mrs. K assures the public
    Their production will be second to none
    And of course Henry The Horse dances the waltz-!

    Is it Henry the Horse?

  113. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    How can Cashman keep such a big trade under wraps? Seriously, if there’s all this hype for a lame trade, I will be quite upset.

  114. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    I am a long time lurker here- A buddy of mine lives in Miami and apparantly there is serious talk down there about Johnson
    ======================================================
    All the years combine
    They melt into a dream…

  115. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    no matter what the Yankees do, we can be certain of one thing.

    jon Heyman will report that it was an awful trade that will set the franchise back 20 years because the Yanks should have signed both Holliday, Damon, and put money in escrow for future Boras clients.

  116. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Rosenthal just said its a trade not a free agent signing.

  117. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    I will consult the ORACLE again tonite.

    I will study the messages if any.

    I will try to DECIPHER them.

    And I hope they will tell me something I do not know.

    If not I wait as we all do.

  118. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Yanks like K-pitchers and ground ball pitchers. They’re not trading for anyone who doesn’t get K’s and grounders.

  119. from Da Bronx... December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    HUGE TRADE !

  120. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Brian, PLEASE DON’T GIVE UP MELKY AND/OR SWISHER!!!

  121. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Mick-
    Any rumor to the fact that cashman stayed in a blue light cheap hotel last night?

  122. Steve December 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    I dont want Lowe, Harrang , or Vssquez.

    But Johnson .. wow. that’d be cool

  123. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    CB-

    There are often side shows at Circuses aren’t there ?

    Is this the MAIN act, or a side show ?

  124. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    “I don’t believe they’d give up Cain for Swisher or Melky”

    Yes the giants would be insane to trade cain for either swisher or melky…in fact they would be insane to trade cain for swisher and melky..

  125. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Words, words, words

  126. Steve December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    So exciting !!

  127. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Until the bride is uncloaked no one knows what is behind the veil.

  128. Alex Anthropologist December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Play your cards right cashman, play your cards right….

  129. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    A lot of names being thrown around in here.

    Most are bad.

    Zito, Harang , Lowe, Vasquez.

    If I had to choose one?

    Probably Vasquez.

  130. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Guys- if there is indeed a “big” trade in the works I can assure you that its for a player that hasnt been prominently discussed (e.g., Lowe)

  131. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Brandon Webb..do it up…sign him to an extension

  132. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Stuckey–because we win more games if we’re behind fewer times.

    _____________________

    Valerie, with all due courtesy, this doesn’t make a lick of sense.

    IF you’re saying 33 starts, 200 innings, low-4 ERA isn’t good enough for you, well then I might disagree, but THAT’s at least a legitimate opinion. But saying the WAY he gets 33 starts, 200 innings, low-4 ERA is somehow more or less effectual than a pitcher who registers the same line at the end of the year, well that’s non-sensical.

  133. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    MTU,

    We’ll see. If it were the main ring it would be heyman who had the leak.

    So if its the main ring then this would be active misdirection – the kind of which the club doesn’t do much of.

    They just keep quiet instead for the most part.

  134. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Stella Blue–probably true.

  135. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    It would be intersting to trade melky or swisher..first to get a starting pitcher and second it would require the yankees to get another outfielder…I still can’t believe the yanks will break the bank of holliday

  136. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    what if its Carpenter or Wainwright…lol

  137. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Mick-
    Any rumor to the fact that cashman stayed in a blue light cheap hotel last night?
    ==========================================================
    can’t win for trying
    dust off those rusty strings just one more time
    gonna make them shine, shine

  138. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    We all knew it had been too quiet…

  139. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Fascinating stuff.

    I think that if the deal involves the Yankees taking on a large contract, then it won’t involve any Yankee players of significance – no Swisher, maybe not even Melky. With Hoffman in the fold, Brett might be a goner, though.

    Cash sure is stealth.

  140. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    what does arroyo make?

  141. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    “Zito, Harang , Lowe, Vasquez.

    If I had to choose one?

    Probably Vasquez.”

    I agree..still..bringing vasquez back here. he just did not fit..however if its him or the other three I take him. cashman should bring back lilly. That way we can forget that he decided igawa instead of lilly a few years ago.

  142. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    What would have to happen to get Josh Johnson…Would Montero, Joba, and Hughes get it done?

  143. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Cashman is half Bruce Lee . half Chuck Norris ! no doubt

  144. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Mick- are you going to go see “Further” at Radio City in late February?

  145. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    CB-
    EXACTLY MY POINT. This is the sideshow only.

    I focus on the MAIN RING.

    Heyman is a tool.

  146. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Whoever this source is wanted to get it out that there is a process going on but not attach any names.

    That’s unusual.

  147. bru December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Stella Blue
    December 21st, 2009 at 9:59 pm
    I am a long time lurker here- A buddy of mine lives in Miami and apparantly there is serious talk down there about Johnson

    —————————————————–

    now i am getting excited

  148. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    They need another starter…but a salary dump? boy not sure I like that…

  149. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Abda-

    be fair.

    Not ALL of us.

  150. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    They better not be blowing up the farm.

  151. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    the lateset from Mark Fein: BloggingBombers Yankees are apparently close to a deal for a starting pitcher, says a source. Still working on who, but I’m told it’s not a salary dump deal

  152. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    stuckey–okay, I’m tired and I know I’m not expressing my opinion at all well, so here goes: If a pitcher gives up 12 runs in one game, so the team loses, and 0 runs in another, so they win, he will have an ERA of 6, same as a pitcher who gives up 6 in both games, and the team wins both games. Am I making any sense? what I’m trying to say is that he would give up too many runs costing the team valuable wins, and then win a game right after losing one. Somebody tell me if that makes any sense at all or kindly try to translate what I’m attempting to say so that it makes sense, please :-)!

  153. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Edison volquez anyone???

  154. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Phil-

    Fear not.

  155. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    “Whoever this source is wanted to get it out that there is a process going on but not attach any names.

    That’s unusual.”

    ————

    I was thinking the same thing. Every reporter seems to have been trying to get names for a while to no avail.

    Very interesting…

  156. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    I don’t believe they’d give up Cain for Swisher or Melky
    _____________________

    Who suggested they would. Are we automatically assuming the only trade the Yankees would make is for the two least valuable offensive players.

    Maybe it’s for a young pitcher (Hughes or Chamberlain) and bat. Maybe the Yankees would consider moving Cano for a 24 stud(let) like Cain?

    I’m not assuming Cashman is going to fleece another team, or only dangle spare parts. He might entertain a good, old-fashion value for value/some pain involved trade.

  157. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    bru- i was thinking the same thing but I dont see them taking our offer after what they turned down from texas

  158. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    “They better not be blowing up the farm.”

    I don’t see it.

    If it’s not a salary dump then it very well could be Swisher.

  159. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    lesh and weir together?

  160. from Da Bronx... December 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    midnight is approaching

  161. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    We could be losing Montero , Joba or Hughes by nights end. :-(

  162. bru December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Boston Dave – XXVII
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    the marlins just turned down Smoak and Feliz for Josh Johnson

    are the yanks going to offer montero, joba, and more?

    i doubt it

    ———————————————————–

    i would in a second

    jj makes us filthy

    add holliday & we will win it 3 years in a row

  163. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Phil-

    And when two men shall tradeth. The LAW says they must giveth
    EQUALLY and taketh FAIRLY.

    From each according to their needs and to each according to their needs.

  164. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    “Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl but she doesn’t have a lot to say. Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl but she changes from day to day. I wanna tell her that I love her a lot but I gotta get a belly full of wine. Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl, some day I’m gonna make her mine, oh yeah, some day I’m gonna make her mine.”

    So there.

  165. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    here is a thought: send Cano to the fish as part of a Johnson trade and take back Uggla

  166. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Ted Lilly 2009 numbers
    177 ip
    151 hits allowed
    151 strikeouts
    12 wins
    9 loss
    whip 1.06..good
    era 3.10..good

    2008
    204 innings
    187 hits
    184 strikeouts
    era 4.09

    i allways like lilly

  167. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    An aside but this was an interesting tweet from feinsand earlier:

    # Stopped into a hobby store that sells sports stuff. A Cashman-signed ball goes for $99.99. A ball signed by Minaya and both Wilpons? $59.99 about 4 hours ago from web

  168. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    if it’s not a salary dump deal, it’s even more interesting…

    maybe Jeff Karstens on his way back.

    Or Ohlendorf :)

  169. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    “Until the bride is uncloaked no one knows what is behind the veil”
    —————————————————–
    wicked witch = derek lowe

  170. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    StellaBlue–I don’t want to give up Robbie.

  171. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    “Stopped into a hobby store that sells sports stuff. A Cashman-signed ball goes for $99.99. A ball signed by Minaya and both Wilpons? $59.99″

    ————

    pretty soon a signed check from either Wilpon isn’t going to be worth anything either

  172. timo December 21st, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    Words, words, words

    ____________________________________

    Though this be madness, yet there is method in ‘t.

  173. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    “We could be losing Montero , Joba or Hughes by nights end”

    for who? that is a lot of young talent what are they getting for it???????

  174. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    If your trading Melky you have to trade Cano along with him or he will wither up and die…those too are soul mates

  175. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    PL–lol

  176. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    “Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl but she doesn’t have a lot to say. Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl but she changes from day to day. I wanna tell her that I love her a lot but I gotta get a belly full of wine. Her majesty’s a pretty nice girl, some day I’m gonna make her mine, oh yeah, some day I’m gonna make her mine.”

    So there.
    =========================================
    guess what was on tonite?
    you got it, Tropic Thunder.
    keeps getting better.

  177. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Josh Johnson
    209 innings pitch
    184 hits allowed
    wins 15
    whip 1.16
    era 3.23

    190 strike outs

    salary in 2009 1.4 million

    why on earth would florida trade him??

  178. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    murphydog, that’s one of my favorites. Sang it to the kids all the time.

    Of course they think I’m nuts.

  179. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    They are not trading Montero. They view him as a once in a generation kind of bat – and they are serious about him catching.

    And they didn’t trade hughes or joba for halladay or santana.

    I don’t think many of the yankee fans who are dying to trade everyone for josh johnson would feel that way if it didn’t so happen that johnson pitched against the yankees during interleague play and he threw a gem.

    I remember the comments before that game – many people hardly knew who he was.

  180. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    maybe they went for cliff lee from seattle. lee didnt sound thrilled about being shipped to seattle.

  181. blake December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    If they are trading an outfielder then wouldn’t that mean they need to aquire another one? Especially if Melky or Swisher is involved?

  182. from Da Bronx... December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    ARROYO !!!

  183. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    tex’s friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    maybe they went for cliff lee from seattle. lee didnt sound thrilled about being shipped to seattle.

    That would be amazing but the Mariners cant be that stupid

  184. seven December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Dump Melky trade him for ted lilly. Cashman would be a god if he can get the cubs to do that.

  185. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    if you trade cano, go get orlando hudson

  186. from Da Bronx... December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    LEE !!!

  187. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    “My words fly up, my thoughts remain below: Words without thoughts never to heaven go.”

  188. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    That would be amazing but the Mariners cant be that stupid
    ___

    really? the same mariners who gave up 6 prospects for erik bedard?

  189. crawdaddy December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Forget about Ted Lilly, he just had major shoulder surgery and is out until at least May with that being optimistic.

  190. pat December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Narrowing it down?

    BloggingBombers Yankees are apparently close to a deal for a starting pitcher, says a source. Still working on who, but I’m told it’s not a salary dump deal
    9 minutes ago from web

  191. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    arroyo would be logical

  192. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    The silence has been deafening but the clock has been ticking
    nevertheless.Unheard by some.

    The Machine continues to grind along producing what it produces one at a time.Inexorably. There for all to see in the end but not before. And always turning. always turning.
    Until it is done.

    And it’s work is complete.

  193. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Its amazing that with all these leaks no one seems to know anything, other than there is something going down.

    Talk about stealth mode.

  194. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Wow, so Feinsand says not a salary dump? Hmmmmmmmm.

    One side to this is that our window with our core isn’t extremely large. Jeter, Mo, Posada, ARod, Pettitte are all getting up there. I love the kids, but there’s always the fear that by the time they’re ready, the core won’t be there to add them to.

  195. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    swisher for vazquez?

  196. MikeinBH December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I’m putting my money on Felix Hernandez

  197. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    How can there be no names available…no teams available….and yet something so close???? i don’t know bout this one…I think John Henry started this rumor

  198. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    “maybe they went for cliff lee from seattle. lee didnt sound thrilled about being shipped to seattle.

    That would be amazing but the Mariners cant be that stupid”

    why would the mariners trade lee..seattle is making a run at it…they are not trading lee

  199. Vincent December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Why would the Yankees trade Cano? That makes no sense.

  200. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    timo
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    Words, words, words
    ____________________________________
    Though this be madness, yet there is method in ‘t.
    =======================

    Nay…that follows not :D

  201. crawdaddy December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    You got to love Cashman, baseball writers all over this country trying to find out which pitchers and they’re coming up empty. He’s playing his cards close to his vest so now they’re trying to get other teams to leak the names.

  202. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Abdababdaserser–I know; it’s crazy! I would expect some sort of information…this has to be a big trade.

  203. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    mariners are not trading felix or lee…why would they do that?

  204. bru December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    jurrjens??

  205. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    tex’s friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    That would be amazing but the Mariners cant be that stupid
    ___

    really? the same mariners who gave up 6 prospects for erik bedard?

    Yea but only Adam Jones is worth anything

  206. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    arroyo is not a BIG deal

  207. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    “I love the kids, but there’s always the fear that by the time they’re ready, the core won’t be there to add them to.”

    They could have said the same thing 15 years ago and then there wouldn’t have been a “core” in the first place.

    Or don’t you remember when George was ready to trade Mo and Posada in the same deal to the Reds and Stick had to tank the deal by subterfuge?

  208. Sacrificefly December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    My only question is are we giving up Hughes or Joba personaly I would rather give up Hughes. If not a salary dump im thinking its one of the above and +.

  209. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Will Carroll on twitter just said Carlos Zambrano…might just be hearing the old rumor though.

  210. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    if its a big name, joba or hughes could be included

  211. joeman December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    if Swish goes…Holliday is coming

  212. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    santana !!

  213. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    How about Chris Young from the Padres

  214. Terry from NH December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    I do like the Yanks minor league infielders and keeping Montero is huge.

    As for a trade for starting pitcher.. I would wish for Matt Cain, but realistically, I wouldn’t mind see Vasquez coming back here either.

  215. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    santana !!

    Thats you know who BIG

  216. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    I certainly wouldn’t mind Zambrano, but I thought he’s not waiving the NTC…?

  217. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    rdog,

    the idea is to get in their prime pieces like Tex and Granderson to keep us in championship position while the kids replace the old core. That’s why Holliday would be such a good fit.

  218. blake December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    “if Swish goes…Holliday is coming”

    I think thats very likely.

  219. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “arroyo would be logical”
    ————————————
    only to Mike Francessa

  220. Enough Pitching Changes December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “My only question is are we giving up Hughes or Joba personaly I would rather give up Hughes.”

    I would go the other way and move joba…he is too high maintence…a lot of baggage…

  221. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    I’m with you CB. Was just trying to throw another perspective out there. I wouldn’t trade Montero for anybody short of a Hanley Ramirez or someone like that…

  222. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “Let every eye negotiate for itself
    And trust no agent; for beauty is a witch
    Against whose charms faith melteth in blood.”

    Much Ado About Nothing (II, i, 178-180)

  223. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “swisher for vazquez?”

    If it isn’t a salary dump then there’s a strong chance its swisher.

    He has a considerable value right now. Compare what he’ll be getting paid over the next 3 years to what either bay or holliday will be making.

    Team would be interested.

  224. bru December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    swisher for vasquez does not make us better

  225. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Could you imagine if we got Johan Santana? I would be the happiest person in the world. But the Mets might not take that risk unless they’re getting a whole lot in return…

  226. pat December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Cashman sure does love a little last minute Christmas shopping.

  227. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Satchel Paige!

  228. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Valerie G, I understand YOUR internal logic, I’m merely trying to point out the logic does not hold up under scrutiny.

    Few major league pitchers besides the elite ones pitch to their ERA on a per-start basis and even they don’t do it all the time.

    Look at Sabathia and Burnett. They both pitched to better ERA’s than Pettiite but 8 and 9 games, respectively. Pettitte lost 8.

    It’s obvious your PERCEPTION of Pettitte makes you believe if he gave up 3 runs in 6 innings EVERY time out he’d win more games.

    But that’s just not how pitchers pitch. You’re singling Pettitte out for sometimes most pitchers do.

  229. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    I just don’t see any team with half a chance to win their division trading away a solid starter.

    Seattle & SF would be two teams that should not be trading starters.

  230. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    zambrano would be interesting. we know he and joba would make oukilis very antsy at the plate.

  231. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Vaszquez is do for one of his bad years.

  232. blake December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    CB, if they trade Swisher don’t you think that increasing the chances they go after Holliday?

  233. whatever December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    The Yankees have just acquired Jeff Suppan from the Brewers.. more to come.

  234. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    One other thing – if none of the beat guys can find any names before the night is done – then the deal is likely legit and the teams are locking down names on lists.

  235. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    If Swisher goes, we are definitely getting Holliday. That would make the most sense.

  236. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Wow, this place got busy in 2 hours….

    I’m sorry, Derek Lowe? That makes NO sense whatsoever. The Yankees spurned him last year, but now – after a terrible year in the NL East – they’d want him now?

    Aaron Harang?

    IMO, if Phil is sent to the pen again, he should have just been traded. This was a kid who was their crown jewel at one point and now they won’t even give him a chance to start…….why? Because they’re going to trade for some mediocre pitcher? Pat M, are you as disappointed as I am? I know you believe that Phil will be a terrific pitcher……..but relegating him to the pen, IMO, would be a huge setback to his career as a starter.

  237. bru December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    losing swish creates a huge hole unless it is filled with holliday

    i hope its not swish unless we get a real good pitcher

    not vasquez,arroyo,harrang,lowe

  238. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    what about jonathan sanchez from the giants?

    i think it was brandon who was pining for him for a while…

  239. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    blake,

    If they trade either swisher or melky then I think the next step falls into place.

  240. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Brutus:

    There is a tide in the affairs of men.
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.

    Julius Caesar Act 4, scene 3, 218–224

  241. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    That’s great – trade Swisher for a guy who couldn’t handle NY, who is an NL pitcher. Where are we getting a RF from?

  242. GVCCV December 21st, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    mystery pitcher is Chris CARPENTER OF THE ST LOUIS CARDINALS!!

  243. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anybody short of a Hanley Ramirez
    ———————————————————–

    co-signed

  244. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    cut out the false news posts. It’s annoying.

  245. blake December 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anybody short of a Hanley Ramirez
    ———————————————————–
    co-signed

    or maybe felix…

  246. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    we did not get Suppan

  247. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    stuckey–I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. agree to disagree on this?

  248. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Jesus Montero at all. He’s an 80 hitter with 80 power.

  249. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    LMAO. Look at murphydog dropping some Shakespeare in here.

  250. pat December 21st, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Suppan? For who?

  251. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Oswalt from Houston?

  252. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    The underbelly is getting indigestion.

  253. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Why would the Yankees trade Cano? That makes no sense.

    ________________________

    Why wouldn’t it make sense? Major league teams don’t just always make trades involving players they can replace/improve upon internally. Sometimes they will weaken themselves at one position to strengthen themselves at another.

  254. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Was the suppan post real?

    BTW, I love the Brutus quote :-).

  255. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    There is no Suppan trade….Relax

  256. miggs December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    and suppan it is. Wow – this is a bad move

  257. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    oswalt? can see the confrontation between him and arod now over his badmouthing him over the roids.

  258. Sacrificefly December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    The problem with letting Swisher or Melky go right now is we give all the leverage back to Boras.We lose any lev we already had. Thats not good for negotiating purposes.Just my thoughts.

  259. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    for me to suuu-pan

    -triumph

  260. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    guys chill out with the false rumors !

  261. disco stu December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Looking at the list of starting pitchers that will be free agents after the 2010 the name that stands out is definitely Brandon Webb.

    He is coming off surgery, so there is the possibility that Arizona may want to take a chance and deal him now because if he ever were to come back healthy in his walk year it would be tough for them to re-sign him once he hits the open market next year … so trade for him now and guarantee something in return.

    Obviously, it is a risk/reward trade for the Yankees and Cashman would not have to pay thru the nose to get him because of the injury. So a deal for Webb makes sense.

    Can you imagine how amazing it would be to get Brandon Webb just as he is getting healthy again?

  262. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Oswalt? Now there’s an interesting name…

  263. Tom on N.J. December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    murphydog bringing the heat.

    Hows about something from the Tempest? (It’s my favorite)

  264. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    stuckey–I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. agree to disagree on this?

    ____________________________

    Val, I’m perfectly happy to call it a discussion and bear no ill will towards you whatsoever, but it’s not a matter of opinion.

  265. MeatBall December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    So I totally got to wait on Derek Jeter tonight at Carrabbas..

  266. joeman December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Braves want Swish ?..send Joba with him for T Hanson

  267. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    The young Jimmy Stewart and Peyton Manning are look alikes.

  268. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    stuckey–lol. Okay…I bear no ill will towards you either. but it is a matter of opinion :-).

  269. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Meatball–seriously???

  270. Rishi December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    MeatBall
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm
    So I totally got to wait on Derek Jeter tonight at Carrabbas..
    ===========
    down in Tampa?

  271. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    It had better not be Lowe or VAsquez…….

  272. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THE SUPPAN TRADE IS REAL!! I CAN’T STAND THE ANTICIPATION!

  273. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    What cares these roarers for the name of King?

  274. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    McClain isn’t likely to approve a trade of oswalt. He sees him as the heart of the franchise and just won’t let go. The astros are bizarrely run.

  275. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    As I said earlier, its going to be a name we dont expect… I predict Roy Oswald

  276. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Meatball – was Minka with him?

  277. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #yanks in talks for starting pitcher. doesnt appear to be harang. maybe not zambrano either (tho they talked to #cubs)

    ___

    hmm…

  278. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THE SUPPAN TRADE IS REAL!! I CAN’T STAND THE ANTICIPATION!

    There is nothing on any twitter, espn, foxsports, si.com, or yahoo sports that says Jeff Suppan

  279. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    hot off the press from Heyman: SI_JonHeyman #yanks in talks for starting pitcher. doesnt appear to be harang. maybe not zambrano either (tho they talked to #cubs)
    1 minute ago from web

  280. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Stella–but you expect that! lol
    Oswalt would be a nice addition to the team…

  281. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Oh, and Meatball, pics or GTFO.

  282. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    “The young Jimmy Stewart and Peyton Manning are look alikes.”

    Not bad.

    So are Tim Lincecum and a much younger Margaret Hamilton.

  283. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    suppan would not be worth talking about and clearly this is something bigger than jeff suppan…

  284. Tom on N.J. December 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Valerie G., there has confirmation on anything yet.

  285. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Something’s up. Every reporter basically has the same exact story.

    And every story is about process. So basically Olney speculated that Harang might be the guy and every other reporter called some source and asked if a 1. whether a trade was involved; 2. Was it Harang?

    And all the information they got from their sources was that there’s some process and it’s not harang.

  286. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    it will either be a stikeout pitcher or extreme groundball pitcher (ie brandon webb)

  287. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    PL–thanks!

  288. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 21st, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    CB: do you think Holliday figures into this somewhere?

  289. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    You know who I would take…Zach Duke from the Pirates

  290. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    don’t be surprised if swisher goes for an inexpensive starter to free up Holliday money

  291. GVCCV December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    If the Yankees want another Mitre pick Suppan!

  292. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    This where Pete was valuable.

    Not that he would find out who was involved but he would go to the movies and an hour later we’d have Tim Lincecum.

  293. BillyBall December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    This is what happens when these pinhead reporters use twitter. There is no story here.

    Go to bed.

  294. Tom on N.J. December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Bodhisattva- Thank You.

    Hell is empty
    And all the devils are here

  295. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    I have a feeling Joba or Phil are gone……..

  296. stuckey December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Something’s up. Every reporter basically has the same exact story.

    ____________________

    EVERY reporter could be talking to the SAME “source”, who could be mistaken or misinformed.

  297. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    It would be a kick if Arizona only picked up Brandon Webb’s option in order to trade him.

    He’s making 8.5M and in the last year of his deal and that team is going nowhere. In addition, they are really, really hurting financially there. The economy in Arizona is in utter chambles.

    The whole purpose of their trading Scherzer was to turn one pitcher who was very talented into two guys who could start.

  298. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Peter is probably enjoying all you can eat breadsticks at Olive Garden right now

  299. Sacrificefly December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Some one earlier said this deal would be announced by midnight tonight. Any truth to that comment?link?

  300. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    mick–quite right.

  301. joeman December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Swish for Jurrjens…then they sign Holliday

  302. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    The level of secrecy makes me believe that this is big. They wouldn’t be in lockdown for Javy Vazquez. Though I agree that if they weren’t trading Joba/Phil/Montero for Santana/Halladay, they aren’t doing it for whomever is the target here.

  303. CB December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    vinny,

    who knows? but right now I doubt it. We have to see who they trade.

    If they trade swisher then it’s pretty much a done deal with holliday.

  304. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Frank
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    “The young Jimmy Stewart and Peyton Manning are look alikes.”
    Not bad.
    So are Tim Lincecum and a much younger Margaret Hamilton.
    ====

    That is DEAD on.

    The most remarkable resemblance, to me, is Mario Lemieux and Magglio Ordonez, especially from certain angles.

    Also – Brandon McCarthy and Anthony Perkins, but can’t touch Lemieux and Maggs.

    The biggie in the old days was James Hetfield and Mark Mcgwire.

  305. Nud December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Josh Johnson would be a very pleasant surprise

  306. Valerie G. December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    I’m calling it a night…check back tomorrow morning. Let’s hope for a big trade!!!

  307. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Mick, I do remember Mark Salas….

  308. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    I really hope it isn’t Javier Vazquez the guy can not handle pressure…let him hang out in Atlanta at a waffle house or something

  309. Rishi December 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    man – do the Redskins suck this bad or have the Giants undergone some sort of revival??

  310. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    “Swish for Jurrjens…then they sign Holliday”

    Swish doesn’t get you Jurrjens unless the Yankees are pitching in a pretty legit prospect.

  311. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    I thought of Jurrjens, but why would the Braves trade him? He’s good and promising, but young and cost-controlled. Are they that desperate for an OF (Swish or Melky)?

  312. blake December 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    “Swish for Jurrjens…then they sign Holliday”

    that would make for a nasty team.

  313. Mike RI December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    i agree PL i don’t want vasquez or lowe !

  314. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    C’mon folks. Nobody tops Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the look alike realm…

  315. crawdaddy December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    I hope some of us aren’t disappointed in which pitcher it is. I don’t see many candidates out there in which most of us would be jumping for joy in getting. They are few and far between as far as actual good trade candidates that are really good pitchers. Webb, Cain and Oswalt.

  316. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    This is the off season that will define Cashman as a GM …..

  317. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Prospero:

    Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
    As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
    Are melted into air, into thin air:
    And like the baseless fabric of this vision,
    The cloud-capp’d tow’rs, the gorgeous palaces,
    The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
    Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
    And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
    Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
    As dreams are made on; and our little life
    Is rounded with a sleep.

    The Tempest Act 4, scene 1, 148–158

  318. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Poor Johnny Damon got booed entering the ring in Tampa… awww

    They played “Centerfield” by John Fogerty when he entered the ring

  319. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    maybe we get Sidney Ponson

  320. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Roy Oswalt won’t come to NY……he’s said he’d use his NTC to block it. On NYYFans, they are speculating about Wandy Rodriguez – I’ve heard of him, but not familiar. Is he good?

    I wonder if this is a 3 team deal – I mean, this is really lockdown. If it’s just for a Harang type, would there be this type of secrecy?

  321. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    how many would be bummed if swisher went for some inexpensive starter to make room for Holliday?

    who could that be?

  322. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Erica – you’re going to have to get a new PBF.

  323. whatever December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    The Yankees have just acquired Chris Carpenter.

  324. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    “C’mon folks. Nobody tops Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the look alike realm…”

    Yeah, they’re very close. Bodhi’s right though. Lemieux and Ordonez are almost the dame guy.

    How about Shelly Duncan and Timmy from South Park?

  325. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    wandy’s salary?

  326. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    “This is the off season that will define Cashman as a GM”

    Malvolio:

    “Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great,
    some achieve greatness, and
    some have greatness thrust upon ‘em.”

    Twelfth Night (II, v, 156-159)

  327. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    C’mon folks. Nobody tops Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the look alike realm…

    ___

    100% agree. house even made a joke about it.

  328. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Wandy Rodriguez is pretty good…wouldn’t give up Montero or Hughes or Joba tho

  329. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Brandon Webb and Matt Holliday in time for Xmas?

  330. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Pat M, why do you say that? Cash has been here for a long time and he will be here for a long time to come…….Why this particular off-season – unless you think it’s because he’s had the guts to make changes to a WS team?

  331. Chris from NJ December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    PAt M, last offseason defined Cash, he made the moves ethat he’s wanted to make for a few seasons, and he won a WS because of it. Cash doesn’t need to answer to anyone, he’s done a great job.

  332. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    December 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pm
    Erica – you’re going to have to get a new PBF.

    **********

    I am clinging to hope. I also have a sister named Hope. LOL

  333. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    what’s with the fake posts????

  334. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    No trading of Phil – I’d be shocked. I think they would trade Joba first……..and even so, they didn’t do it for Halladay or Santana; why now? Would the Giants trade Matt Cain for Swisher, etc…..?

  335. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    …I’ll break my staff, bury it certain fathoms in the earth,
    And deeper than did ever plummet sound…
    I’ll drown my book.

  336. randyhater December 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Vasquez? Anyone pushing that quiver-lipped loser must have had Game 7 removed from their memory with hours of hypnotherapy. Why not keep Swisher/Melky and just bribe Kevin Brown out of retirement?

    We could do worse than D. Lowe, especially considering the other punch drunk tomato cans being bandied about. Assuming ATL will eat a sizable portion of his deal, I’d rather have his impossible to injure, groundball throwing, post season proven, sure thing mediocrity at the back of our rotation than take a wild shot with tissue-shouldered Sheets or down-in-the-mouth Ducsherererer.

  337. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    wandy made 2.6m last year

  338. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    $2,600,000 for Wandy in 09

  339. steveoh December 21st, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    SAY NO TO LOWE!

    No Lilly, no Arroyo!

    And if they trade Montero for anyone short of tremendous (Hanley Ramirez, King Felix, etc.), I’m gonna be upset!

  340. leutbneot December 21st, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Oh man, WasWatching just posted the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in my entire life. Basically, trade Swisher for Lowe.

    Guh-wha????

  341. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    It will probably turn out to be some mediocre pitcher for which I will be very upset…..and no, I don’t think Swisher is being traded.

  342. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    lol Mets discussing possible Pedro Martinez return…cant make this stuff up… http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4763014

  343. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Rightly, to be great is not
    to stir without great argument
    But greatly to find quarrel in a straw
    When honor’s at the stake

  344. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    wandy for swish…melky to rf? holliday to left?

  345. PJH December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Interesting stuff. We could use a solid 2-3 guy. If its the Braves, Jair Jurrjens would be of interest.

    Anyone who thinks Cashman would bring in Arroyo is lost. The guy is average at best. Stop listening to Francessa. PLEASE.

  346. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    But I dont see Wandy Rodriguez as a “BIG” aquisition tho

  347. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    No, you can’t do much worse than Lowe…….

  348. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Man, this is the first time I have watched wrestling in years. So different from the WWF action I loved growing up

  349. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    He’ll no longer be a checkbook GM…..Swisher, Granderson, Aberu ( salary dump ) were his trades since taking over operations

  350. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    What’s up with the anti-Pettittism in this thread???

    Wasn’t the post-season televised everywhere?

  351. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    “wandy for swish…melky to rf? holliday to left?”

    Nope. Stros are locked in at all three OF positions and 1B

  352. Buddy Biancalana December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    CB-

    What about Haren over Webb?

  353. Tom on N.J. December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Murph and Bod, well done, Gents, well done.

    The play’s the thing…

  354. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    A friend just tipped me off to GGBG on MLB Network talking about possibly being traded to the Cubs. Could Zambrano be in the works???

  355. pat December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    BloggingBombers This potential Yankees trade doesn’t sound like a salary dump, which would eliminate Derek Lowe.
    half a minute ago from web

  356. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    BloggingBombers

    This potential Yankees trade doesn’t sound like a salary dump, which would eliminate Derek Lowe.

  357. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Danny Haren would be hard to pull off but It would be great

  358. mick December 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    jurrjens made 450k last year….

  359. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Hamlet:

    I’ll have grounds
    More relative than this—the play’s the thing
    Wherein I’ll catch the conscience of the King.

    Hamlet Act 2, scene 2, 603–605

  360. PL December 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Big Z is a headcase tho

  361. robtom December 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Wandy pitches terribly on the road.

  362. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Buddy,

    There’s no way it’s Haren. He’s signed to one of the best deals in baseball. He is a steal of a value. Even the D’Backs are going to be able to keep him.

    Webb is going to be gone after this year. Arizona thought very long about picking up his option. It’s 8.5M and they are really going nowhere.

    But on the flip side – he really is the face of that franchise.

  363. mick December 21st, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    zambrano made 19m, forget him

  364. whatever December 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    Zambrano wouldn’t real Cashman’s goal of acquiring good clubhouse guys.

  365. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Now Pedroia is on WWE!

  366. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    http://twitter.com/TheBigLead

    Quote:
    @andrewsi @McIntyre712 no idea who they’re giving up … text just said Yanks in talks with Lowe. haven’t seen it reported yet

    Fire Cash, seriously lol

  367. whatever December 21st, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    The suspense is killing me. Theres gotta be a Yankee front office rat who can leak something.

  368. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Now Pedroia is on WWE!

    ___

    hornswoggle is too tall to be pedroia

  369. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    “to know a thing you have to understand it’s essence”

    Do you know the essence of Cashman’s ways ?

    How does he think about trades ?

    What is his basic approach to such things ?

    trades-FA/bargain bin/salary dump.

    Who ?

    Al vs NL pitcher

    Where do I want to slot this person

    Therein lies some of the answer.

    Tonite I consult the Oracle again.

    I will look deep into its waters

    And see what it tells me.

    But this I already know from having seen.

    This is only the beginning and not the end.

    The best is yet to come.

    For now.

    Seekers of the Truth.

    Try to know the thing in its essence so will know what it is.

    Thereby knowing what it does, and does not do, or can do and can’t do by its NATURE.

    Play on.

  370. EdWhitson December 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Anyone else think we are building this up way tooo much? I hope not, but just saying…….

  371. PL December 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    God no not Lowe..come on how is this a big aquisition of this happens??? this is counter productive

  372. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    From Heyman:

    @TheBigLead not a terrible guess. but as of 10 days ago he was “not on their radar.” tho, things can change, i suppose.
    6 minutes ago from web in reply to TheBigLead

  373. CR9 December 21st, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    “Jacobs threw the first punch there. Really? You’re up by 26. Act like you’ve been there before.
    half a minute ago from web ”

    Mark Feinsand

    What a loser!

    Jacobs threw a couple of slaps.

    There is no way Jacobs can get suspended, as Flozell Adams was not suspended for 4 infractions this year.

    And of course, Mr. Eagles himself, Ron Jaworski, applauding Haynesworth for a “nice right hand.” Basically, encouraging youngsters watching the game that violence is okay.

  374. whatever December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    HOW RELIABLE IS THE BIG LEAD?

  375. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Ed, watch it be for some shlub……..but if it were, then the secrecy doesn’t make sense.

  376. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Ed-

    this is just a beginning not the GRAND FINALE.

    It is the sideshow and not the CENTER ring.

    Fear not.

  377. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    If it is Lowe then I don’t think that really makes us any better, especially if its Swisher in the deal…

  378. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Wheres the Hulkster.

  379. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Yanks are acquiring the Pittsburgh Pirates and designating them for assignment at AA Trenton.

  380. PL December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I dont think the Big Lead is credible…it wont be Lowe hopefully

  381. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    The post betsy linked to regarding Lowe was simply speculation. It has no real sourcing.

  382. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Get over yourself CR9. Jacobs threw three punches in that melee and should get suspended. Completely bush league move by him up 26.

  383. Steve December 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Whats the facination with Lowe. ?? what is the biglead rumor?

    No way can this be for Lowe

  384. RalphieD (OPPC) December 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    why do people think the yankees would give up swisher for lowe?

  385. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Blake-

    The sideshow NOT the main event.

    A bridge to tommorrow and nothing more.

    Is that so bad.

    The main event awaits.

    Keep your eye on the PRIZE !

  386. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    “Yanks are acquiring the Pittsburgh Pirates and designating them for assignment at AA Trenton.”

    thats funny

  387. Anthony Murillo December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    This potential Yankees trade doesn’t sound like a salary dump, which would eliminate Derek Lowe.

  388. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    LOL I’m sorry – I posted it and then looked. I got into a panic about Lowe….

  389. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    “why do people think the yankees would give up swisher for lowe?”

    I think we are just fearing the worst.

  390. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    http://miamicityofchamps.com/2.....s-johnson/

  391. CR9 December 21st, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    rodg12
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    Get over yourself CR9. Jacobs threw three punches in that melee and should get suspended. Completely bush league move by him up 26.

    Somehow, he threw 3 punches and did not receive a penalty? Try telling that to someone with eyes.

  392. GVCCV December 21st, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    A player blinded by money and greed,Damon good riddance!!

    He should have tomatoes thrown at him,while booing.
    All year lying saying how much he wanted to stay,when it was always about the money.

  393. PL December 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    http://miamicityofchamps.com/2…..s-johnson/

    o my

  394. BJK December 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    GVCCV
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    A player blinded by money and greed,Damon good riddance!!

    He should have tomatoes thrown at him,while booing.
    All year lying saying how much he wanted to stay,when it was always about the money.

    ——————————————————

    Congrats. Dumbest post of the night.

  395. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Wonder if Boras negociated Damon’s appearance on WWE

  396. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Anthony-

    Wise are ye ! if true.

    What bin does Cash shop in then if not the bargain bin ?

    FA- Full Monty ?

    doubtful. That’s for another time.

    What is the purpose for the part to be acquired for the machine ?

  397. Boston Dave - XXVII December 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    “A player blinded by money and greed,Damon good riddance!!”

    —————

    I can’t blame a player for trying to get as much $$ as possible. Can you?

    The problem for Damon (and Boras)? He thought the Yankees were bluffing, as they often are.

    He thought wrong.

    Can’t mess with the Yanks anymore.

  398. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    blake
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pm
    Wonder if Boras negociated Damon’s appearance on WWE

    *******

    No idea, but he deserves double for that scene with the old lady attacking him (btw- that was not me. I am not old and I am not a blonde)

  399. BFARBS December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    PL, what does that link say? it didnt work on my computer

  400. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    If it be now, ’tis not to come
    If it be not to come, it will be now
    If it be not now…yet it will come
    The readiness is all…

  401. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Just because he didn’t get a penalty doesn’t mean jack. He threw a punch at Hall when Hall was being restrained by Giants then threw two at Haynesworth who came over to protect his guy after Jacobs threw a punch at him after grabbing ahold of Hall’s face mask and jerking his head around. Rewind the freaking DVR if you don’t believe me…

  402. Garrius December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Nick Swisher for Jonathan Sanchez as a precursor to signing Holliday?

  403. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    MTU, if melky or Swisher is in the deal (specifically Swisher) then the horse might be coming on back to the barn.

  404. Phil the Thrill December 21st, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Lowe wouldn’t take this long.

  405. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    “No idea, but he deserves double for that scene with the old lady attacking him (btw- that was not me. I am not old and I am not a blonde)”

    lol

  406. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Phil the Thrill
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:15 pm
    Lowe wouldn’t take this long.

    *******

    Pondering how late to stay up tonight waiting for this name to drop…..

  407. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    There is no way possible that Brian Cashman would trade for Derek Lowe, regardless of how much dough the Braves eat……..

  408. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Horatio:
    If your mind dislike any thing, obey it. I will forestall their
    repair hither, and say you are not fit.

    Hamlet:

    Not a whit, we defy augury. There is special providence in
    the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, ’tis not to come; if it be not to
    come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come—the
    readiness is all. Since no man, of aught he leaves, knows what is’t
    to leave betimes, let be.

    Hamlet Act 5, scene 2, 217–224

  409. Frank & Beans (Duck Fuke) December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Boston Dave – XXVII
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    Yanks are acquiring the Pittsburgh Pirates and designating them for assignment at AA Trenton.

    smh…. Awesome post

  410. Ninja Burglar December 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Arroyo is a gamah!

  411. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Lowe just makes no sense on so many different levels….Again, maybe it’s a 3 team deal? That could explain the hold up. On the other hand, 3 team deals are harder to keep quiet -and there is nothing on this. I don’t get how these sportswriters can know the Yankees are “ferverishly” working on obtaining a SP, but not know who it is.

    I wonder if Sox fans are nervous about who we may obtain

  412. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Blake-

    And since that has always been my aim.

    It is good if it so.

    First is First, and second is second, and so shall it always be.
    they are numbered, and ordered by design. In an array of things.

  413. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Pat M, agreed…….

  414. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Bohdi-
    I knew I could count on you. I have ALWAYS liked your posts.

  415. PL December 21st, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    the article says how josh johnson is mad the marlins offered chapman a 5yr deal and not him…it says he will not negociate with them and wait the two years until he is a free agent

  416. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    “there are more things that can be dreamt of than in your Philosophy Horatio”.

  417. jennifer December 21st, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    I will seriously hurl if Lowe is the one being traded for. He sickens me.

  418. Steve December 21st, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Thinking out of the box here. But maybe zach duke ??

  419. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Wanna bet this is a hoax?

  420. Stella Blue December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    i think this may be a case of everyone starved for news and nothing ends up happening…

  421. CR9 December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Lowe is an arrogant scumbag.

    Does anyone remember him doing the “suck it” sign after recording the final out and beating the Oakland A’s in 2003?

  422. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Erica,

    the muppets await you. Why keep them waiting. They are your friends. The news can wait.

    Remember your priorities. Need I remind you.

  423. G. Love December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Lowe makes zero sense to me. Too much money and years for a pitcher who will get rocked in the Al East. They’d only give Andy 1 year, yet we’d give up Swish for 3 years of Lowe who is just as old?

    Don’t see it.

    I can’t imagine we’re bringing back Javy Vazquez.

    The first name that popped in my head was Oswalt for some reason when they said it was a mystery pitcher.

    I also think Brandon Webb is a possibility.

    I also can see Meche and Dejesus happening.

    I do think if we trade an OF’er, we’re signing an OF’er whether it be Holliday, Damon or Bay.

  424. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    I think it’s Lee from Seattle.
    He does not want to be there.
    He is a free agent after this season.

    Lee’s trade value is at its peak going into the season.

    M’s would want some dinero but more than anything…replace prospects that went to Philly when they picked up a supposedly “not unhappy” Lee.

  425. Rob NY -- 2009 the Road to Redemption. December 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    jennifer says:
    December 21, 2009 at 11:22 pm
    I will seriously hurl if Lowe is the one being traded for. He sickens me.
    ———————-

    He is a loathesome and offensive brute. JJ would make my holiday season.

  426. seven December 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Damon was a very good player for the yankees. His price came down he asked for 2 years 20 million. I dont think that is a very unrealistic deal. That was pretty similar to Abreu 2 year deal and close to what Mike Cameron got. Yanks made a mistake not resigning Damon for that price.

  427. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    NO thanks to an NL pitcher unless he’s a stud……..

  428. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    MTU
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
    Erica,

    the muppets await you. Why keep them waiting. They are your friends. The news can wait.

    Remember your priorities. Need I remind you.

    ************

    Thats part of the beauty in choosing to share my bed with an Ernie doll instead another actual person…. Ernie will always be there!!! (And he doesn’t hog the covers)

  429. GVCCV December 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    NH Yankees fan gets into a fight with sawx fan.She runs him over with her car kills him,and was just found guilty of 2nd degree murder.The vehicular manslaughter happened in may 2008

    AP-SOURCE

  430. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    The Ms are not trading Lee…..

  431. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    and finally:

    from blake.

    “Behold, the Red Dragon”.

    Transformation is a process not an end in itself.

    patience.

    The truth awaits us. though it has been before the believers
    all along.

    My assignment is almost finished.

    Only part 3 left.

    I am self-assigned. No one has asked me to do it.

  432. murphydog December 21st, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    Hamlet Act 1, scene 5, 159–167

    I must now take my leave of you.

  433. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Yeah…he will not stay a Mariner if they don’t believe they can sign him.

    Lee does not want to be in Seattle.

    He will be gone.

  434. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Just say no to Lowe.
    – the underbelly

  435. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    “Thats part of the beauty in choosing to share my bed with an Ernie doll instead another actual person…. Ernie will always be there!!! (And he doesn’t hog the covers)”

    PBF’s and Ernie doll bed partners?

    Oh man…….

  436. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Why would Seattle say no to Joba, Melky, Romine and Pena for Lee

  437. pat December 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Sox knew something was wrong with Lowell’s thumb since Oct. 2nd but didn’t request an MRI until this week?

    http://fullcount.weei.com/spor.....situation/

  438. PL December 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    How about Mark Buerhle

  439. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Who said Lee doesn’t want to be in Seattle? He was shocked to be traded – that’s why he made those comments. He didn’t want to go anywhere, but he’s a professional, so he’ll pitch and pitch well.

  440. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Maybe Cash is bringing Kate Hudson back.

  441. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    GMAN, I thought Lee was more upset over the Phillies dumping him than the destination. It would seem unlikely that the Mariners would trade him before he even has any dealings with the team.

    While he probably won’t extend his contract they are on a push for the west with the Angels looking weak. It just doesn’t add up for them to trade him before the season starts.

  442. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    PBF’s and Ernie doll bed partners?

    Oh man…….

    *********

    What can I say… its a lot easier than that alternative of actually having to deal with meeting people… yuck

  443. yo ho ho December 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Justin Tuck has the skull shape of a newborn.

  444. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    “Why would Seattle say no to Joba, Melky, Romine and Pena for Lee”

    Because they are trying to win now, and three of those guys contribute very little or less towards that objective.

  445. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    They’re trading back for Brian Bruney from the Nats.

    The regret was just too dear…

    In the underbelly

  446. GVCCV December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Damon was a good player. He drank the Boras Kool-Aid,misread the market and Cashman moved on. Cya !!

  447. BJK December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    GMAN
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:30 pm
    Why would Seattle say no to Joba, Melky, Romine and Pena for Lee

    ——————————————————-

    Yankees would say no. Cashman wouldn’t trade Joba for Santana or Halladay, he’s not trading him for Lee.

  448. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    “Thats part of the beauty in choosing to share my bed with an Ernie doll instead another actual person…. Ernie will always be there!!! (And he doesn’t hog the covers)”

    Does Johnny know about this?

  449. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    CB
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm
    They’re trading back for Brian Bruney from the Nats.

    The regret was just too dear…

    In the underbelly

    **********

    This underbelly just burped

  450. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Abdababdaserser
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm
    “Thats part of the beauty in choosing to share my bed with an Ernie doll instead another actual person…. Ernie will always be there!!! (And he doesn’t hog the covers)”

    Does Johnny know about this?

    ******

    Johnny is my pretend boyfriend, he is okay with everything :-)

  451. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    It’s a fact…Lee said he is not happy about the trade. He does not want to play for Seattle…He will not be a Mariner for long…He has no intention of staying in Seattle – FA after this season…Seattle did not land him as a rental…he will be gone!

  452. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Focus not on what is in front of ye but on what remains to be done.

    for

    “it’s a thing of beauty, and a joy forever. it’s loveliness will increase

    and it will give us a bower quiet and a sleep”.

  453. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    I’m nervous for some reason…

  454. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    CB, Webb is interesting. Is he going to be 100% going into spring training? Would the Dbacks consider him a salary dump or would they have to give up a lot to get him? He is a big of an injury risk himself no…

  455. Gopher December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    What are the chances Omar Minaya decides to blow up the Mets and start again by trading Johan Santana…a fan can dream cant they :)

  456. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Cash would trade Joba, IPK & Melky but not Joba, Melky and Hughes for Santana. Fact.

  457. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm
    I’m nervous for some reason…

    *******

    Betsy (and I say this in friendhsip….)~
    You are always nervous. Doesn’t require much of a reason :-)

  458. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    betsy-

    I am here to comfort you. you need not be nervous.For that is your particular affliction.

    It will all be good in the end. fear not.

  459. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Johnny is my pretend boyfriend, he is okay with everything :-)

    ____________

    Impressively understanding! lol.

    A pretend open relationship!

  460. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Maybe they are trading for “the most interesting man in the world” I’m sure he could help the team in some way.

  461. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Don’t worry Betsy…

    You see the earth rotates on it’s axis and because of that the sun isn’t always visible.. But it’ll be back tomorrow morning I swear.

  462. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Erica, lol – that’s true. This is more of a nervous anticipation, though. There’s no reason for me to be nervous as Phil is not going to be traded.

    Speaking of stuffed dolls, I just adore teddy bears and stuffed animals. I have a koala bear that is 37 years old – my uncle gave him to me when I was a year old. His nose fell off long ago and he’s not in great shape, but I love him to death

  463. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    I just don’t understand how there can be these reports on the Yankees being close to a deal, not a salary dump, yet not an inkling on what team(s) are involved on the other side of this.

    Also, if they were that close, why no word for over an hour?

  464. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    The Festivus Seinfeld is on.

    If that isn’t a good omen I don’t know what is!

  465. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Anticipation. Anticipa-a-tion is making me wait… keeping me wa-a-a-a-a-aiting.

  466. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    MTU, you’re sweet…..those are very calming words.

    Jeers, you promise? LOL I’m not nervous that way – anxious is a better word.

  467. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    This whole thing is surreal. I really intended to get off the computer early tonight, but I see that won’t be possible.

  468. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm
    The Festivus Seinfeld is on.

    If that isn’t a good omen I don’t know what is!

    *********

    A Holiday for the rest of us!!!!!

  469. Meryl December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Its all but confirmed on Twitter its not Zambrano.

    BloggingBombers

    Yankees mystery pitcher does not appear to be Carlos Zambrano. Cubs had not asked him to waive his no-trade as of tonight.

    SI_JonHeyman

    #cubs willing to trade zambrano. but doesnt sound like hes the 1 in #yankees talks. and Z’s agent said wont waive no-trade

  470. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    ITS ALL GONNA BE GOOD.

    there is no bad when designing a machine.

    All it has to do is work within specifications.

    It does not need to do MORE as long as it does not do LESS.

    As long as it does what it has been designed to do it is PERFECT.

    remember. Our machine will be perfect when it is complete.

  471. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Blake, nah, he doesn’t always drink beer… that leaves him out of baseball.

  472. pat December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal Sources: Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.

  473. Sacrificefly December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Is there any truth to that midnight update on this trade? Links? anything apreciated

  474. pat December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    BloggingBombers Yankees mystery pitcher does not appear to be Carlos Zambrano. Cubs had not asked him to waive his no-trade as of tonight.
    6 minutes ago from web

  475. Frank December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    B Morrow to the Jays for Brandon League and a prospect per Rosenthal.

  476. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Abdababdaserser
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
    Anticipation. Anticipa-a-tion is making me wait… keeping me wa-a-a-a-a-aiting.

    ********

    Oooh Carly……

    We can never know about the days to come
    But we think about them anyway
    And I wonder if I’m really with you now
    Or just chasing after some finer daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

  477. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    “I am going to get a pitcher and a BAT “.

  478. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers

    Yankees mystery pitcher does not appear to be Carlos Zambrano. Cubs had not asked him to waive his no-trade as of tonight.

  479. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    League going to the Mariners for Morrow.

    The M’s are loading up.

  480. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    “Blake, nah, he doesn’t always drink beer… that leaves him out of baseball.”

    haha, that is true, but his reputation is expanding faster than the universe so he must have some value.

  481. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal

    Quote:
    Sources: Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.

  482. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Wasn’t Morrow one of the young kids the Yankees faced that they completely stunk against?

  483. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    “I am going to get a pitcher and a BAT “.”

    MTU, fill in the blanks.

  484. rodg12 December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Morrow for League and a prospect? Wow. Don’t understand that one for the Mariners…

  485. yo ho ho December 21st, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Morrow can dominate, but he has control issues.

  486. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    Jays aren’t doing too badly either. The Yankees kids had better develop because the Jays and Os have very talented kids who are really close to being major leaguers……

  487. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    “Morrow for League and a prospect? Wow. Don’t understand that one for the Mariners…”

    Wait until we hear who the prospect is. Probably a good one.

    The M’s soured on Morrow. Jack Z didn’t seem to like him.

  488. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Pete Abe…whining about the Yankee payroll.
    How original…

  489. Pat M December 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Betsy, I know what your thinking…..I can’t imagine Young Master Hughes leaving the Yankee Family….He’s the essence of the Brian Cashman Era….

  490. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    So they can get info on the Jays/Ms trade, but not on the Yankees? What’s up with that?

  491. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Yeah the M’s have been shopping Morrow for some time.

  492. tex's friend December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Pete Abe…whining about the Yankee payroll.
    How original…

    ___

    classic since boston’s is up over 170 M now too..

  493. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Pat M, I’m not sure what would be worse – seeing him leave, or seeing him wither in the pen. I think the latter. If he’s in the pen in 2010, he will never be a starter for the Yankees.

  494. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    The team has got the word out that they are in negotiations for a “big deal” but no names so far.

    There’s been a bunch of hints to this effect today – the leak to the post on zambrano and now the activity tonight.

    Either they are trying to pull of a deal and want to protect the names or they are trying to send a message to a free agent who may be taking longer to make a decision than they care to allow.

  495. GMAN December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    M’s will make a fatal mistake if they let there farm system become depleted. Win now and forget the farm is a prescription for failure in Seattle.

  496. Sacrificefly December 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    rodg12

    Me either on the mariners side. Morrow is a starter and I believe he actualy got drafted before Lincium.League is a 8th inning guy at best.

  497. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    The waiting is the hardest part
    Everyday you see one more card
    You take on faith, you take it to the heart
    The waiting is the hardest part

    Thank you Mr. Tom Petty

  498. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    They may have said to the free agent we have certain dollars available under budget and we can fit you in, but if you can’t make a decision then we’re moving on and we’ll look at other moves. But once we make that move, then you’ll no longer be an option because the money won’t work.

    It will be interesting to see. The team does not appear to be done.

  499. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Heyman:

    #cubs willing to trade zambrano. but doesnt sound like hes the 1 in #yankees talks. and Z’s agent said wont waive no-trade

  500. Abdababdaserser December 21st, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Amen Erica!

  501. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Blake-
    I have never wavered in my belief.

    I am prepared to be wrong.

    I have the courage of my convictions.

    I am on assignment.

    I am at peace.

    The Bat you know.

    The pitcher I know not.

    But I can say whoever it may turn out to be it will be right.

    Because they will FIT into the MACHINE and become a part of its magnifance.

    So Blake.

    Though I can’t put a name to it.

    I fear not.

    because of what else I believe.

    its ALL GOOD. It’s a machine being built perfectly.

    It will work if built correctly.

    I have faith in the designers.

    It will be built within specifications.

    I can say no more for tonite.

    Besides, i’m tired.

  502. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    CB, the only FA that would apply to would be Holliday, correct?

  503. CB December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Betsy,

    No it could be a few of them – Sheet or Duscherer for example – sheets in particular.

  504. yo ho ho December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    “I find your belief system fascinating”

  505. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Blake-

    One last thing.

    the NAME matters not. Just the design.

  506. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm
    CB, the only FA that would apply to would be Holliday, correct?

    ***********

    Bedard, Sheets and Washburn are all out there still. Not the greatest options, but they could all be targets. Who really knows what goes on in the mind of Cashman

  507. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    I had proposed Brandon Morrow for Juan Miranda. Some said it would never happen. Wasn’t enough. Seems as if the Jays just added an arm to a similar deal.

  508. Umer December 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Excellent job Chad!

    Good hard evaluations of future talent- something we haven’t seen for a while.

  509. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Betsy-

    Here is a link to the Yahoo free agent tracker. They update it as signings get made

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  510. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Still haven’t seen Sheets throw.

  511. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    The whole trade will probably fall through, lol

  512. G. Love December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    I’m finding it very strange that no names have emerged as of yet.

    I’m starting to believe CB’s theory that this is a ploy to get a free agent to sign on the dotted line or risk losing the offer.

  513. MTU December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Betsy-
    The trade may fall thru but the process will continue to completion nevertheless. Fear not.

  514. blake December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    someone probably has an unreported thumb injury that is having to be examined.

  515. Betsy - high on pie December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    CB, true…….but boy, if that’s the case, Cash sure has chutzpah.

    Erica, yes, but for Cash to go through all this just to put the squeeze on those guys ? I doubt it…..plus, I really don’t think he would ever go for Bedard. Health issues aside, he’s terrible in the clubhouse

  516. Meryl December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    This is also getting strange that people on Twitter are starting to throw out really random names that would never happen.

  517. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

    This is all very Twilight Zonish……..I’m picturing Cashman on two phones at the same time, juggling different trades.

  518. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

    G.Love-
    that process has been ongoing.

    An octopus has many tentacles.

  519. Abdababdaserser December 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Its Clemens! lol

  520. Corey December 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Too….Much……Suspense.

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    Its Clemens! lol

    *********

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  522. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Man I wish they could trade for the 2000 Pedro they are showing on Prime 9, unreal how good he was back then.

  523. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Something has to happen now, I’m about to turn into a pumpkin and pass out.

  524. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 am

    “Still haven’t seen Sheets throw.

    No – but it’s Sheets that’s insisting that he wants to throw to get more teams interested.

    He most likely didn’t get anywhere with his $12M request but likely got some counters. He went back and figured he’d throw to expand his market at the price he’s trying to get.

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    Man I wish they could trade for the 2000 Pedro they are showing on Prime 9, unreal how good he was back then.

    *********

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  526. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am

    There can be many chirping birds but do any of them really a song ?

  527. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am

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  528. GMAN December 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am

    When Epstein calls fellow GM’s proposing trades…they will now and forever more hold onto their wallets.

    How the guy can get away with trying to pawn off an injured player without disclosure is amazing.

    Epstein has no credibility…he is all about misinformation and it will haunt him in future dealings.

  529. Pat M December 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am

    CB, Good call as maybe Cashman his playing some old fashion country hardball…….Betsy, remember he’s only 23, and I think they are being very careful with him….I do think he’ll be in the rotation this season, with a very watchful eye moving forward…..

  530. Abdababdaserser December 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am

    I wonder how a source would have the information that a deal is close, that the Yankees are taking a salary dump, yet not a peep on a trade partner or target.

    Janitor working outside Cashman’s office?

  531. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 am

    “sing”

  532. E-gawa December 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Why not a revisit to the Brian Bannister deal? I haven’t heard his name mentioned yet. I know the Royals have him cheap but there were talks during the summer.

  533. Phil the Thrill December 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am

    This is weird. The one thing that should take this long isn’t a pitcher…

  534. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 am

    I’d rather get a bat.

  535. Abdababdaserser December 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 am

    I’d laugh if nothing comes of this and its just a couple of reporters looking to have some fun before the holidays by stirring the hot stove up a bit.

  536. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 am

    “I wonder how a source would have the information that a deal is close, that the Yankees are taking a salary dump, yet not a peep on a trade partner or target.”

    It’s intentional. If guys are getting it confirmed that “it’s not Harang,” etc. then some sources are willing to deny a name but not confirm who is being discussed.

    Oleny broke this – and then every other reporter was able to follow it up and essentially get the same story but no more. Olney himself hasn’t had any updates on this.

    They may just want it out there that they are working on a trade that is “big” and is not a “salary dump.”

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  538. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion December 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 am

    These trade rumors are absolutely fascinating. Usually when the Yankees are going to make a signing or a trade you hear SOME details by now. A name, a team, something.

    I got home about an hour ago and started checking my regular websites. Hit MLB Trade Rumors then once I saw the trade tweets immediately came here. I’ve been reading through the comments and there are some really interesting guesses by some posters (and some awful ones as well).

    A few points I’d like to make (and a few guesses of my own).

    1) I believe this trade will be with a team with a surplus of pitching (Atlanta, SF, Florida) and we will be trading at least one ML bat (just a guess).

    2)I feel, like others, that we aren’t giving up Hughes or Joba unless its Josh Johnson, then all bets are off. The only pitchers more valuable than Halladay, Santana, etc. are YOUNGER CHEAPER pitchers on that level like Cain, Lincecum, J Johnson, Felix. I think Johnson is the only one of those 4 that MAY be in play. If not Johnson, Hughes and Joba stay.

    I don’t think its going to be for a guy with a huge contract. They already have 3 starters making 12+ million/year. I find it hard to believe they are adding a fourth. This should eliminate Lowe, Zambrano, Harang.

    It won’t be from an AL contender. You can eliminate the Sox, Angels, Rays, Mariners (IMO). And what AL team that isn’t a contender has a surplus of pitching? Not any team that I can think of.

    So its an NL team with a lot of pitching.

    You can eliminate the Phillies and Mets.

    So you have the Giants, Braves, Pirates, Marlins, maybe even the Dodgers. You could argue it could be a Padres, Astros, or Brewers also.

    My guesses?

    1) Jurrgens
    2) J Sanchez
    3) Webb

  539. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 am

    Jeter
    NJ
    Tex
    A-rod
    Matty
    Posada
    Grandy
    Cano
    Swish

  540. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Pat M, I hope so. He’s 23 now, but will pitch most of next year at 24. Years have a way of slipping away – and a year spent in the pen will only further delay his development. I’m not concerned simply about Phil, but about the Yankees. They need to develop young pitchers and they need to get started on it. Hiding them in the pen or constantly signing/trading for vets is what got them into trouble in the late 80′s, early 90′s (well, the trading part anyway).

  541. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 am

    “They may just want it out there that they are working on a trade that is “big” and is not a “salary dump.”

    To get Boras to move on Holliday or to let Sheets know that the train is leaving the station?

  542. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Exciting isn’t it.

  543. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am

    I quit…..

    If Cashman makes a trade tonight, he is doing so without consulting me first.

    Good night Yankee people!

  544. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am

    “Matty”

    You’re being kind of familiar considering that he still isn’t a Yankee.

  545. Benny Blanco December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

    going to sleep …goodnight LOHUD! Hopefully when i wake up..moves will have been made.

  546. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

    “They may just want it out there that they are working on a trade that is “big” and is not a “salary dump.””

    Both of these statements portray that the money that is here now may not be soon.

  547. Rich in NJ December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

    “If Cashman makes a trade tonight, he is doing so without consulting me first.”

    You’re not on his speed dial?

  548. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Not yet.

  549. Corey December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

    I would jump ten feet in the air if it was Jurrjens. It wont be though. He would cost alot.

  550. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Rich in NJ
    December 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am
    “If Cashman makes a trade tonight, he is doing so without consulting me first.”

    You’re not on his speed dial?

    *******

    We had a falling out after he moved me down in the order and I took issue!

  551. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 am

    “To get Boras to move on Holliday or to let Sheets know that the train is leaving the station?”

    Yeah. They may have told some free agent that we have a certain amount of money. We’ll give it to you under this deal but you need to make a decision. If you can’t we’ll have to move onto other business. Once we make that next “big” move we’re done.

    Just a guess.

  552. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 am

    New thread :arrow:

    And really going to sleep now…. Good night Yankee people again!

  553. Sacrificefly December 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Question ? Rule wise. How long does some one newly aquired have to be on our roster before we can trade someone ? example Johnson, Granderson both newly aquired. Not that Grandy’s going any where.

  554. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 am

    “I would jump ten feet in the air if it was Jurrjens. It wont be though. He would cost alot.”

    Once you could pick him up for an over the hill Edgar Renteria (and get gorkys hernandez thrown in…).

    Good thing detroit wasn’t a bunch of prospect huggers.

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    It will probably be for a pitcher with a reasonable contract that would allow us to go after Holliday.

    If it’s Swisher it will not be Lowe, Zambrano, Zito, Lee[Mariners were to busy with Morrow],Wandy Rodriguez[don't need an OFer or 1st baseman],Carpenter.

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