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Any chance they just go with colin curtis in left?
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don’t sleep on Hoffmann. Hope he makes it, if only laugh at all the prognosticators who write him off cuz he’s Rule 5
Well, now that I’m over the trauma of Damon versus Vasquez in the 2004 ALCS…not really. The Yankees are over that karma forever (hey, Sox fans, there’s always hope) and I think giving Javy a chance or redemption will fly, just like ARod.
Vasquez was always solid, and an innings eater in both leagues. A solid AL #3 or #4, and he’s being paid as such. If I remember correctly he wasn’t too thrilled to be traded to AZ for Randy Johnson in 05, and said so at the time. I hope this attitude doesn’t continue, since him coming back now erases the Johnson fiasco in a way. Can he pitch in NY–that is the question, and the answer is likely yes. Joba to the pen–never would have thought it, but I guess Mo may really retire in the next 2-3 years, and you have to prepare.
Melky–they’re selling high. The choice now is Damon or Holliday. Wow. Johnny D will now come back at $8-9 x 2 after his near death experience, the players love him, and the GM said he’s the “perfect” number 2 for YS. Holliday is younger and more athletic, but he’ll cost a lot more in $$$$, years, and roster flexibility.
Dunn–that’s why Cash held him out of the Granderson 3 way?
Vizcaino–got to give to get. Signing Aroldis Chapman will make up for it.
Cash is a beast.
(repost):
“Maybe I’m overrating Lester but I’m not sure I agree with that. Can you explain this further?”
You don’t project off only the prior season. You weight the prior season more – but you have to take the prior several seasons into account.
Generally 3 years of data are used.
Finally, the biggest issue in projecting value is the potential variation in innings pitched. CC is as big a lock to provide innings as anyone.
So while in 2009 CC and Lester were comparable, there is much more expected variance in Lester’s performance compared to CC’s given that CC is in his prime (and as such Lester’s age doesn’t give him that much of an advantage).
I believe CC projects as around 6.5 wins next year. I believe he looks to be the second most valuable pitcher in baseball after Roy (who projects to be over +7 wins). Lester will probably project to be +5-5.5 wins.
Poll question:
does anyone think we still have a better than 50/50 chance of getting Holliday ?
Vasquez great # 5 starter. does nothing to improve the team
I’m gonna get fired, and I’m the boss. Plus I need to get some lunch before this chat. But a few more thoughts…
I don’t want DeRosa, Vlad, or Dye.
I’d be content with DeJesus for this year, if we had to make another deal.
I’d be content bringing back Damon for 1 year with a team option on the second year.
I much prefer Crawford, and I completely understand those who argue against that move. I just simply disagree. But I would accept Holliday on a 5 year contract, possibly negating Crawford, unless one switches position, which is fine by me.
Off to lunch.
crazy December 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Vasquez great # 5 starter. does nothing to improve the team
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Congrats, dumbest post of the day. He finished 4th in Cy Young voting.
Love this deal. Melky was expendable with Granderson in center field and he doesn’t have enough power for a corner OF spot. Turning him into a 200 IP workhorse is genius on Cashman’s part.
I can’t remember the last time I’ve been this upset about the Yankees trading away a player. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees traded a starter.
Law’s comment about Hughes in the pen is silly……..I really hope he’s in the rotation and Joba in the pen, but if not, the best thing for Phil (and for the Yankees) is for him to be a middle reliever – let Joe pitch him multiple innings. This way, he can use his pitches and learn to work his way through lineups.
CB and/or SJ, what are your thoughts? Thanks!
crazy December 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Vasquez great # 5 starter. does nothing to improve the team
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A guy that has thrown 200+ innings in the last 5 years, that was the second best pitcher in the NL last year does nothing to improve the team.
I agree completely
Rishi
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I have to say – GB7…you have me laughing out loud with some of your posts today – must be all the meds
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LMAO. That’s one good thing about the government….best drug dealers around
One more thing. Ok, I overstated Vazquez value. Not top 10 MLB pitcher, but maybe top 20-25 IMO. Still works for me.
Gaudin and Mitre would be a nice acquisition for a young team.
What OF could we get for Gaudin/Mitre/ & Maybe another prospect?
Cashman seems to have forgotten that is was his non-trades that won him the WS last year.
“Just for fun….what would the win projection be for this current team plus Holliday in LF?”
With Holliday they would be a 100-101 win team – and that’s correcting for competition in the AL East.
It is amazingly difficult to assemble an AL east team that projects to be a 100 win team in the AL East.
But that’s how good they would be.
GreenBeret7
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Rishi
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I have to say – GB7…you have me laughing out loud with some of your posts today – must be all the meds
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LMAO. That’s one good thing about the government….best drug dealers around
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Off to do some shopping – no more fun “fights” until I am back and can read along!!
he had a great season last year, but that was in the NL not AL east He also was horrible much younger and first time around. And if he is so good why the Braves let him get away so cheaply?
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Cashman seems to have forgotten that is was his non-trades that won him the WS last year.
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Here I thought great free agent signings and good players won us the world series.
CR9
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Jerkface
LOL. Lackey looks like a serial killer. That means he will fit right in with the Red Sox!
REPOST with the following added.
He looks like this actor from Prison Break and 24 Season 1
Silas Weir Mitchell.
His face is petrifying.
Betsy,
It’s going to be a competition in Spring training to see who deserves that 5th spot. Could go either way.
On the whole I think both of them will likely pitch in the rotation because of injuries.
That said – if Joba can show that his stuff is back, then he’s going to be in the rotation.
But the big question is whether or not joba can get his stuff back.
crazy December 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
he had a great season last year, but that was in the NL not AL east He also was horrible much younger and first time around. And if he is so good why the Braves let him get away so cheaply?
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It was a salary dump.
No Javy to Halos is always a plus in my books.
Still think Holliday wears stripes for Christmas. Cashman and Girardi can not be confortable with Damon in left. Besides, they already filled the 2 hole in the lineup.
They sold Melky high, but he’s a FA in two years, and then he definitely may not have been worth it.
One year of JV versus two years of Melky. Right call. Now they get the JV picks, JV pitching in a walk year, get to finally nail down Joba and Phil once and for all, plus sign Cliff Lee in 2011…
The Damon versus Holliday issue is an interesting one now that Melky has gone…kind of reverse order of what we all we’re discussing.
Lost in Holliday In—could be some coal in you boy’s sock come Xmas.
“Cashman seems to have forgotten that is was his non-trades that won him the WS last year.”
Only because there was so much talent available on the FA market. The caliber of this year’s FA class is MUCH different – both in terms of impact players, and in terms of how they match up with the Yanks’ needs.
Swish givin this up?
I don’t think so.
http://www.sitv.com/files/prem.....azquez.jpg
Thanks again CB. I thoroughly enjoy the advanced analytics you bring to the discussion.
RE:
crazy
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
he had a great season last year, but that was in the NL not AL east He also was horrible much younger and first time around. And if he is so good why the Braves let him get away so cheaply?
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1. Salary Dump
2. Good young 25yo outfielder who hasn’t topped out yet.
3. 2 Pitching Prospects
A. near MLB ready reliever
B. Highly touted long termPitching Prospect
(Braves are awesome at developing young pitchers)
Mark-Cant Touch This – it wouldn’t have mattered if the Yankees signed Albert Pujols if Hughes didn’t step up to fill the bridge to Rivera role last year. Hughes was always listed as the main player in any Santana deal.
well,
TIme will tell. I see him as a 9-10 record. 5 + ERA in the AL east.
I think the last few moves were better moves for the Mets. Johnson will be Swisher without the power. He will hit 250 11 homers. For the Mets both Javy and Johnson would be stars
Wrong NY team
S.o.S-
i am glad to have company on Holliday.
Thought I was alone.
Somebody mentioned this I’m sure, but now there is 1 less to for Damon to go to (Braves) if you accept the Yankees do not bring him back and have 0 interest.
Still holding out hope for Holliday. We get flexibility in 2010, when Andy and Javy are free agents, to go after Cliff Lee or Webb or Mauer, if available.
What are the Angels left with? Sheets?
Next thing, the rally monkey may get Ebola the way things are going over at the big A.
With Holliday they would be a 100-101 win team – and that’s correcting for competition in the AL East.
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CB,
If thats the case, i hope Cashman has your clone in house doing the numbers. Its a no brainer IMO. Dont they make up all that money spent on Holliday making and winning the World Series?
CB,
I understand that projections usually use the last 3 years of data. However, I think in this case we can ignore Lester’s 2007 season. It was only his second season in the big leagues and he was just getting over cancer.
One thing I do agree with is the innings pitched.
Rate-wise Sabathia and Lester had very similar 2009 seasons with Lester having slightly better numbers but Sabathia did it while pitching a lot more innings. In 2010 Sabathia will likely throw a similar amount of innings and I can’t see Lester increasing his IP by 20-30. He would have to outpitch CC by a great deal to come close in value.
I guess I overlooked this fact when I was first looking at the two pitchers.
crazy
Are you a troll? You sound like one.
Mark-Cant Touch This – it wouldn’t have mattered if the Yankees signed Albert Pujols if Hughes didn’t step up to fill the bridge to Rivera role last year. Hughes was always listed as the main player in any Santana deal.
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Wait did we trade young Master Phillips for Javier? NO!
There is a difference we traded a 4th out fielder, and bullpen lefty who has yet to prove nothing and a classA pithcer, those 3 players don’t equal Phil and the contribution Phil can make this year. You don’t make trades just for the purpose of not making them.
the fact that some actually impersonates sj is ridiculous, you have to be a really sad person to pretend to be another member of a message board.
PittsburghYankeeFan
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
What are the Angels left with? Sheets?
Next thing, the rally monkey may get Ebola the way things are going over at the big A.
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They should just bring some characters from Disneyland over. Mickey would probably make a very nice pitcher.
MTU,
I got your back. Still trying to decode your poetry though.
S.o.S-
I think Cash can get him for no more than 6/100.
Would you be down with that ?
Do you think Cash would ?
I’m sure Cashman has another outfielder in mind. Did someone say Mark DeRosa?
“Next thing, the rally monkey may get Ebola the way things are going over at the big A.”
That would make me very happy.
“I’m sure Cashman has another outfielder in mind. Did someone say Mark DeRosa?”
Nope, I think you’re hearing things.
“It was a salary dump.”
Sure sounds like the Braves plan to use the money they saved, and perhaps even Cabrera himself, to secure a couple bats. Not sure why they weren’t able to do it directly (read: Vazquez for a hitter), but still doesn’t scream dump. If Vazquez is turned into LaRoche and Damon and Byrd, the money is probably close to a wash and they still have 5 starters they’re pretty comfortable with (though they surely would have preferred Lowe going over JV) and the best prospect in baseball waiting in the wings.
“Next thing, the rally monkey may get Ebola the way things are going over at the big A.”
Hey,
he’s already got a really bad case of the clap.
CB, I’m resigned to a competition at this point, which I expect Joba to win. I agree also – I’m sure there will be times that both kids will be in the rotation. Let’s say, though, that Phil starts out in the pen. Would you leave Marte/Robertson as the set up guys so that Phil could get more innings in? I ask these ? not because I’m only interested in Phil, but because I’m thinking about the future. If the Yankees want him to develop as a starter, so that he can help them as soon as possible in that regard, then they need to treat him like a starter. Otherwise, he’s going to be set back in his development; he’s not a baby anymore. I guess we’ll see in ST…….I’m still not thrilled with JV, but I’m starting to come around.
I’d love to see the Yanks sign Holliday, but with the money required to get him, I just don’t see it.
MTU
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
“Next thing, the rally monkey may get Ebola the way things are going over at the big A.”
Hey,
he’s already got a really bad case of the clap.
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LOL
Holliday please.
Mark, my point is that the Yankees won in 2009 because the young guys stepped up when the vets weren’t performing. When Arod was out Teix was batting .200 and Sabathia and Burnett were .500 pitchers it was the Cervelli’s/Pena’s/Jobas/Hughes/Aceves/Cabreras who kept the team within striking distance.
MTU,
I wouldnt go past 5 years. Thats the most anyone has offered him and im counting on 3 to 3 and a half years of high productivity. If you have to up the yearly figure to win out. Fine(even though i believe all we have to do is match and offer. being that this is his first choice to play). No more crippling contracts like they gave Giambi.
One year at $9 million to Damon with a $2 million club option for year 2. Minimum $11 million for one year of JD.
Sign Crawford in 2011, pay the option. Don’t, or can’t, and JD does one more year.
It makes perfect sense. 70% of Holliday at 50% of the cost.
Sorry Matt, but the Yankees dig the left side. They could get X at 40% of your cost for one year.
One thing that Law was wrong about – the Yanks view Phil as a starter. He’s definitely in the rotation in 2011…I don’t think they will re-sign Andy and they will either have JV or perhaps Lee.
One year of JV versus two years of Melky. Right call. Now they get the JV picks, JV pitching in a walk year, get to finally nail down Joba and Phil once and for all, plus sign Cliff Lee in 2011…
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Bingo
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4764085
as usual espn blows the yankees spending out of proportion.
195, not OVER 200. – yet…
how’s about an article about boston pushing 170. pretty high too if you ask me.
“In 2010 Sabathia will likely throw a similar amount of innings and I can’t see Lester increasing his IP by 20-30.”
I think this might be where I part ways with you Patrick. Having thrown 210 innings in ’08 and 203 1/3 last year, I’m thinking that they are prepared to allow Lester to take the next step at age 26, and let him go to 225 or so innnings, which is a little more comparable to Sabathia’s 230.
Who knows? We’ll see I guess.
Unless Boras comes to them with a deal on Holliday, that makes sense to Hal, it will be either Damon or Reed Johnson in left.
only espn would turn a big trade into a full article about payroll. i dont know why i even bother reading espn.com anymore.
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The Ghost
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Mark, my point is that the Yankees won in 2009 because the young guys stepped up when the vets weren’t performing. When Arod was out Teix was batting .200 and Sabathia and Burnett were .500 pitchers it was the Cervelli’s/Pena’s/Jobas/Hughes/Aceves/Cabreras who kept the team within striking distance
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On this point I agree wholeheartedly. In order to win we need some of the bench guys to step up. over a course of 162 games there are going to be injuries. That’s why I like the direction Cashman is going with younger more athletic players as backups. I hated to see Melky go, but a front line starter like JV certainly has more value. I have always been a Melky supporter & I believe he will have his breakout & become a productive power hitter.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Mark, my point is that the Yankees won in 2009 because the young guys stepped up when the vets weren’t performing. When Arod was out Teix was batting .200 and Sabathia and Burnett were .500 pitchers it was the Cervelli’s/Pena’s/Jobas/Hughes/Aceves/Cabreras who kept the team within striking distance.
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We didnt trade the whole farm system, we lost Cabrera and Dunn, and classA pitcher, we still have Joba, hughes,cervelli, aceves, pena, we still have guys in the minors that can help us this year, and we gained a very solid number 3-4 stater that will pitch 200+ innings, some times trades benefit a team, a GM can’t be scared to pull a trigger on a trade if cashman thinks a trade will improve the Yankees then I want him to do it.
i saw give colin curtis a shot in lf.
S.o.S-
I guess your still buying what I’m selling, and drinkin the Kool-Aid like me.
Which particular poem are you tryin to decode ?
What is the status of the Ardolis Chapman signing?
“However, I think in this case we can ignore Lester’s 2007 season. It was only his second season in the big leagues and he was just getting over cancer.”
But this is the whole problem with trying to project any young pitcher – lester is just an extreme example.
These projections models are linear in nature. Linear models in the context of say exponential growth or step-wise change aren’t particularly useful.
That’s why the games are played on the field.
“I guess I overlooked this fact when I was first looking at the two pitchers.”
People often do. Quite honestly with the burgeoning of sabermetrics the focus on rate statistics has gone too far – especially for pitchers.
The area where this really gets a bit nutty is when people discuss Pedro Martinez as being the greatest pitcher of all time.
It’s a really complicated issue as you can make an argument that Pedro was one of the best pitchers of all time during his run in the late 1990′s but at the same time none of those seasons he had were amongst the most valuable seasons a pitcher has ever had. He’s had seasons in the top 10 most valuable but not in the top 5.
And that’s because Pedro didn’t throw that many innings.
It’s difficult to compare Pedro of the late 1990′s to say Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson. Pedro was comparable to them on a rate basis but they were far more valuable pitchers due to the cumulative innings they pitched at those rates. You can’t take that away from them. They empirically threw those innings.
Cashman just turned a 4th OF into a 200 inning workhorse who isn’t signed to a ridiculous 5 year deal, $17M per year albatross contract.
Lackey hasn’t broken 200 IP the last 2 years and he makes twice as much, and has a contract five times as long.
Don’t see how anyone can complain other than having an irrational attachment to Melky Cabrera.
i say, not saw.
If Joba’s velocity doesn’t come back… how much does he even help us in the pen? He was very inconsistent in the playoffs. If he pitches like that, he isin’t even going to be ahead of D-Rob/Mart and perhaps Melancon.
If he has his velocity, then he can be a stud starter for us like we saw in 08 and he’ll likely win the competition.
again, no matter what… melky is NOT a 4th outfielder.
“how’s about an article about boston pushing 170. pretty high too if you ask me.”
Different measurments. Boston’s $170M is based on the calculation for lux tax (Entire 40 man plus bennies). The $195M they are talking about for the Yankees is the 25 man only and does not include bennies. Yankees, as noted yesterday when they got their tax bill from MLB were found to have a payroll of $226M based on the lux tax calculation, while sporting a $201M actual payroll for the 25 man roster. They’ll likely be up around $220M+ again, by the same measure that Boston is put at $170M. Difference is the Yankees will have stayed about the same as ’09 and Boston’s # will climb by nearly $30M.
tex’s friend December 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
again, no matter what… melky is NOT a 4th outfielder.
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Um, at a corner OF spot, yes.
So where does Melky play on the Braves?
MTU,
You went from salesman yesterday to mechanic(TRANSMISSIONS) today. I have to give it to you. It does get my brain cells working. What do we have in store for tomorrow?
“Unless Boras comes to them with a deal on Holliday, that makes sense to Hal, it will be either Damon or Reed Johnson in left.”
Which is a terrifying thought. Though it is better than DeRosa or Nady.
Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
“how’s about an article about boston pushing 170. pretty high too if you ask me.”
Different measurments. Boston’s $170M is based on the calculation for lux tax (Entire 40 man plus bennies). The $195M they are talking about for the Yankees is the 25 man only and does not include bennies. Yankees, as noted yesterday when they got their tax bill from MLB were found to have a payroll of $226M based on the lux tax calculation, while sporting a $201M actual payroll for the 25 man roster. They’ll likely be up around $220M+ again, by the same measure that Boston is put at $170M. Difference is the Yankees will have stayed about the same as ‘09 and Boston’s # will climb by nearly $30M.
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What is the Payroll for the soxs 25 man roster?
RR
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Cahman must be an idiot. He missed signing Matsui and got Nick Johnson who spends most of his time on DL for the same price. Gets rid of our only superb defensive outfielder for Vasquez who is not able to pitch in NY. Let us go get Contrares and may be Irabu to complete the rotation. Why screw with what is not broken. He destroyed the yankee outfield
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Cashman is NOT an idiot.
Matsui was locked-in that he was going to play the outfield. This would not happen with the Yankees.
Please check out Nick Johnson’s career production.
FOZZIE BEAR (Melky) was certainly not a supurb outfielder.
Check out Mr. Vasquez’ production after the injury-plagued second half of 2004.
The outfield wasn’t broken – however it will be significantly better (once the next piece is finalized).
Please “google” Curtis Granderson – the NYY recently made a trade with Detroit. Once you catch-up and attempt to comprehend what has been done – most reasonable Yankee fans (maybe not yourself) will easily agree that we are an improved team.
And yes – your little precious Melky is gone – but go an Atlanta hat & a plane ticket – alot of good seats available at that Stadium !
He will do better in the weaker league where he honestly will be considered more than a 4th-5th outfielder, as he was here.
Sheeeeeesh.
Mark, I guess what I’m really the most upset about is that the Yankees traded away a proven winner for a guy who throughout his career developed a reputation for a lack of mental toughness when the money was on the line. It’s hard enough to hide one guy like that in your rotation (Burnett) but two is going to be difficult. I’m not sure how comfortable I’m going to feel in a big September series with the Sox with AJ and Vasquez pitching back to back.
Melky is entering arbitration and is no longer “cheap.”
He is a free agent in two years – and he wasn’t going to get resigned to a free agent deal.
He was always going to get traded. The question was whether it would be this winter or next.
ok besides the point, the yankees never get enough credit for these trades. always go right to $$$.
granderson was an excellent pick up. some people think vazquez will be too. (i hope so).
And the Yankees pay their tax. I am so sorry that the cheap owners pocket the money. Maybe the fans should protest some of their teams and show they want a real owner.
Cabrera was a good kid. He bridged CF for more years than anyone thought he would. But he had the lowest batting average and OBP of any starting OF in baseball.
It hurts and was a costly price to pay for a salary dump, but Cabrera was going to start making more and more money. At some point, as early as this season he would’ve become a fulltime bench player. And we kept our prospects.
Betsy,
I think Hughes will be the starter and Joba will go to the pen. If we sign Wang or Sheets or whomever is healthy enough to pitch, then they can replace Hughes. Or Joba can replace Hughes. Joba or Hughes will likely be the setup guy. Unless Robertson outpitches Joba.
I can’t get into the live chat? Help anyone???????
It’s hard enough to hide one guy like that in your rotation (Burnett
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Idiot!
Burnett has one excellent game in Game 2 of the World Series. I think you are one of the few to question his mental toughness with the game on the line.
A Gardner/Nady platoon would be nice.
Nady vs. lefties
Gardner vs. righties.
I guess what I’m really the most upset about is that the Yankees traded away a proven winner
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You lost me at hello? Proven winner. He was our 9th hitter. Bernie Williams retired years ago.
Melky/Gardner became expendable after the Granderson deal. It was just a question of which pitcher one of them would be traded for, and Javy was way more than anyone could have expected out of them.
“What is the Payroll for the soxs 25 man roster?”
Probably going to push $150M this year.
Mark, I guess what I’m really the most upset about is that the Yankees traded away a proven winner for a guy who throughout his career developed a reputation for a lack of mental toughness when the money was on the line. It’s hard enough to hide one guy like that in your rotation (Burnett) but two is going to be difficult. I’m not sure how comfortable I’m going to feel in a big September series with the Sox with AJ and Vasquez pitching back to back.
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Well I think Javy will do better this time around, and he did okay his first time around.
I’m just not sure how Joba or Phil could be a replacement for an injured pitcher if they are a short man out of the pen ; it would take weeks for them to get stretched out.
Maybe this Melky trade wakes up Robinson Cano… Maybe he doesn’t look like a clown anymore now that he won’t have his party buddy lol. Im gonna miss Melky.
“What is the Payroll for the soxs 25 man roster?”
Probably going to push $150M this year.
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ESPN should right an article about that. lol
Also remember word is that the Yankees will match any offer Chien Ming Wang gets, within reason. So we will have a great amount of pitching depth. get LF dealt with and see you in feb.
I am starting to come around on JV, though. Did I say that already? I’m losing track of my posts, lol.
S.o.S-
I am glad you appreciated it.
Wasn’t really talkin about Tansmissions like in cars but more like transmissions from a broadcast.
I was doing my own parody of 2010 a space odysssey and applying it to the board.
Do you remember the ending ?
dont know if you liked it or not but I am a big fan of Clarke, and Kubrick who directed.
Thought it was kind of a motiff that would work.
Most people just thought I was just plan nuts.
I had a purpose in mind though, and I know the whole was very cryptic and probably not worth following for most.
I’m pippin down so as to observe the decorum here.
Dont want to upset anyone.
So there may not be any more message from the Oracle.
Dont want to get thrown off the board, or have GB put me in a straight jacket, and have me taken away.
Most of what I was doin was chock full of what they call
double entendre.
Thanks for havin my back.
Maybe this Melky trade wakes up Robinson Cano… Maybe he doesn’t look like a clown anymore now that he won’t have his party buddy lol. Im gonna miss Melky
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Me too, but…. Cano looks like a clown? if he is hitting .320 as a clown, i cannot wait to see what serious Cano does? .400?
Cano isn’t a clown. He was one of the best second basemen in the game last year.
So what, he had a down postseason. A-Rod had a lot of those, and he isn’t considered a clown.
tex’s friend December 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Maybe this Melky trade wakes up Robinson Cano… Maybe he doesn’t look like a clown anymore now that he won’t have his party buddy lol. Im gonna miss Melky
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Me too, but…. Cano looks like a clown? if he is hitting .320 as a clown, i cannot wait to see what serious Cano does? .400?
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I wish he had Ped’s grit, Cano needs to make more diving catches on ground balls
“And the Yankees pay their tax. I am so sorry that the cheap owners pocket the money. Maybe the fans should protest some of their teams and show they want a real owner.”
All comes down to revenue TF, and the Yankees have way more than anyone else. IMO, only a handful of owners, give or take a couple, truly stiff their fandom by not reinvesting requisite revenues (including revenues sharing monies) into their on-field product and one of those crapweasels (I’m talking to you Mr. Pohlad) still manages to have a competitive team anyway.
tex, are you forgetting his game 5 meltdown? Even Burnett himself has admitted that he goes into big games more amped up than he should. You are in denial if you think people – fans and baseball execs alike – don’t question his mental toughness in a big spot.
Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
“And the Yankees pay their tax. I am so sorry that the cheap owners pocket the money. Maybe the fans should protest some of their teams and show they want a real owner.”
All comes down to revenue TF, and the Yankees have way more than anyone else. IMO, only a handful of owners, give or take a couple, truly stiff their fandom by not reinvesting requisite revenues (including revenues sharing monies) into their on-field product and one of those crapweasels (I’m talking to you Mr. Pohlad) still manages to have a competitive team anyway.
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It’s more impressive how he can run a competitive team from beyond the grave…
“Congrats, dumbest post of the day.”
I wish I had a dollar for every time I read this sentence on this blog.
Joe
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Maybe this Melky trade wakes up Robinson Cano… Maybe he doesn’t look like a clown anymore now that he won’t have his party buddy lol. Im gonna miss Melky.
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??? I wasn’t aware that Cano needed to be woken up.
Why is Cash so highly regarded for these trades? With the prospects given up, he could have landed Lee or Halladay.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
tex, are you forgetting his game 5 meltdown? Even Burnett himself has admitted that he goes into big games more amped up than he should. You are in denial if you think people – fans and baseball execs alike – don’t question his mental toughness in a big spot.
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Pray tell how many postseason innings has Javy pitched?
As a case in point, before last postseason A-Rod was considered by many “a mental freak who couldn’t handle the pressure” and a “choker”.
Betsy -high on pie
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I am starting to come around on JV, though. Did I say that already? I’m losing track of my posts, lol.
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Glad to hear it, Betsy
BK December 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Why is Cash so highly regarded for these trades? With the prospects given up, he could have landed Lee or Halladay.
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So you could get Lee or Halladay for Austin Jackson, Mike Dunn and Melky Cabrera? Good luck with that.
1050 hopes to have some Cashman audio (from a conference call) on in the 4 O’Clock hour. Also trying to get Cashman on the show before 7PM.
S.O.S are you saying the Yankees would have won the WS in 2009 without Melky. Is that what you are saying? Melky has a ring on his finger – hence – proven winner. Vasquez has nothing in his toolbox but a history of choking in big games. Of all the people the Yankees could have gotten for Melky throughout the years this is what Cashman settles for? I’d rather get unproven prospects
tex, are you forgetting his game 5 meltdown? Even Burnett himself has admitted that he goes into big games more amped up than he should. You are in denial if you think people – fans and baseball execs alike – don’t question his mental toughness in a big spot.
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Didnt forget. But you cannot attack someone for being good 20 times and bad 1 time in a bad spot. We got a lot from Burnett this year, and game 5 just wasnt one of them.
Baseball players don’t get longevity raises.
If they make more money, it’s because an arbitrator feels they’ve earned it or the club thinks they are worth it.
and in defense of cano on ground balls vs. pedroia.
pedroia is really close to the ground to begin with. diving for him is basically unnecessary.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
S.O.S are you saying the Yankees would have won the WS in 2009 without Melky. Is that what you are saying? Melky has a ring on his finger – hence – proven winner. Vasquez has nothing in his toolbox but a history of choking in big games. Of all the people the Yankees could have gotten for Melky throughout the years this is what Cashman settles for? I’d rather get unproven prospects
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Yeah, Cashman settled for a 200 inning workhorse who had a below 3 ERA in the NL, and costs $67M less over the long haul than a certain Mr. John Lackey, all for a 4th OF with no real position on the team. Right.
Why is Cash so highly regarded for these trades? With the prospects given up, he could have landed Lee or Halladay.
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I believe we still have Joba, Hughes and Montero from the proposed Halliday trade.
besides game 7 of the 04 playoffs, where else has Vasquez choked in big games?
In that regard, the entire yankee team choked that series and it never should have come to vasquez replacing brown in game 7.
tex’s friend
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
and in defense of cano on ground balls vs. pedroia.
pedroia is really close to the ground to begin with. diving for him is basically unnecessary.
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Nice!
tex’s friend December 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
and in defense of cano on ground balls vs. pedroia.
pedroia is really close to the ground to begin with. diving for him is basically unnecessary.
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Pedroia has a lot of problems with balls going over his head though.
Javy was also injured in the 2004 postseason with a bum shoulder and wasn’t even a starter, he was working out of the bullpen. It was Mussina, Lieber, Brown and El Duque that started those games.
Why is Cash so highly regarded for these trades? With the prospects given up, he could have landed Lee or Halladay
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yeah those players already traded were not getting lee or halladay.
By my calculations adding Holliday would raise the payroll 5-8 million dollars over what it was last year but would result in an utterly dominant team on paper. Decisions decisions….
I completely trust Cashman and that is a big plus here. If he thinks that JV can succeed in the AL/NY, then that’s good enough for me for now. As to Viz, given that Cash loves his farm system and wants to develop it so that we don’t have to rely on big ticket FAs, I’m sure the trade wasn’t made lightly. He must believe in the depth of the system if he’s willing to trade that kid.
“It’s more impressive how he can run a competitive team from beyond the grave…”
Yeah, he’s resilient.
Same family running things as I understand it.
S.O.S are you saying the Yankees would have won the WS in 2009 without Melky. Is that what you are saying? Melky has a ring on his finger – hence – proven winner.
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Roger that. The Yankees could have won with Miguel Cairo batting 9th. The old being a role player on a championship team makes you a winner. I believe Hinske and Gaudin got rings as well. Does that make them irreplaceable?
Javy is also a much, much better shot to reach the 200 IP plateau than Lackey.
For 10 seasons, Javy has failed to reach the 200 IP plateau ONCE. And he had 198 IP that year.
That kind of reliability is ridiculous.
Blake-
you never responded directly to my prior post.
Where do you stand on the Horse, and gettin it back to the barn ?
tex, Burnett succeeded this year partly because he was babied by Girardi. Girardi in his two seasons in NY has shown himself as a wizard of handling a pitching roster – but make no mistake Burnett is and will continue to be a head case, now they are adding yet another to the roster. Here’s what former manager Ozzie Guillen had to say about Vasquez:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3602173
“he had a great season last year, but that was in the NL not AL east”
Um, let’s calm down with this AL East thing. Any pitcher switching leagues will have the DH/no DH thing to adjust with of course. But the AL east? If a guy is on the Yankees or Red Sox, that is only ONE other tough team to contend with. The Rays are OK but were a one and done in the playoffs. Jays and O’s going nowhere.
If you think 15 wins with the Braves translates to 8 in the mighty AL East, you are overrating things a tad.
pedroia is really close to the ground to begin with. diving for him is basically unnecessary.
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I couldnt tell if he was on his knees or standing out there.
Whats going to be odd is P the elf assisting Santa in wrapping up Holliday for our christmas gift.
The Ghost
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
S.O.S are you saying the Yankees would have won the WS in 2009 without Melky. Is that what you are saying? Melky has a ring on his finger – hence – proven winner. Vasquez has nothing in his toolbox but a history of choking in big games. Of all the people the Yankees could have gotten for Melky throughout the years this is what Cashman settles for? I’d rather get unproven prospects
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Proven Winner:
Cody Ransom….also has a ring.
Also Proven Winners:
Angel Berroa
Kevin Cash
Frddy Guzman
(great logic)
“Girardi in his two seasons in NY has shown himself as a wizard of handling a pitching roster”
yeah, he would have been a real wizard if they didn’t get Sabathia and Teixeira last year. Try fired.
“besides game 7 of the 04 playoffs, where else has Vasquez choked in big games?”
His postseason history has been bad in general. He’s only pitched in 4 games and the zenith was a game in which he only allowed 4 earned runs and 4 innings.
S.o.S, we really have nothing left to talk about if you think that Melky’s contribution to the 2009 Yankees rivaled Hinske and Gaudin’s.
Mauer a Yankee in 2011
“Here’s what former manager Ozzie Guillen had to say about Vasquez:”
Guillen wasn’t a very big fan of Swisher’s either and that worked out ok.
Arsenal….sounds like a Shakespearian insult.
Am I right?
*4 earned run IN 4 innings
Wasn’t A-Rod a massive choker and an unreliable headcase just a year ago? Amazing what a small sample size can tell you about a player.
I find myself in agreement with Joel Sherman. He makes many of the points made here over the past 24 hours.
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....dq2HIKg1VM
“Why is Cash so highly regarded for these trades? With the prospects given up, he could have landed Lee or Halladay”
Not quite. Ajax, despite what most think here, will never be a star player. Nor will the hyped Coke and IPK or any other of these yankee prospects. Plus, if they do pan out, whoever you trade them to will dump them as soon as they can get arbitration, so the Yankees can get them back easily.
Jim Mason, The Yankees bullpen was fresh in the post season while every other team’s was imploding. That was due a calculated risk to limit innings to key pitchers during August in Sept. Girardi deserves major props for that move.
I love this trade. Javy is a horse and it leaves money free for next year’s FAs. Sad to see melky go, but it won’t take much to replace him (although we need somebody a little more substantial than Gardner). I like Byrd because of his versatility but Dye would probably hit a ton in our line-up.
Arsenal….sounds like a Shakespearian insult.
Am I right?
You are.
Arsenal is also the greatest team name in sports…
WHo you playing today?
um Arsenal
Good luck
I can remember Javy coming out and saying that the Yankees will regret trading me for Johnson, when the rumors were flying. I guess in some way, he was right. Hopefully he has the fire in his belly to prove once and for all, he belongs.
Erica, that is hysterical!
If we get Damon back on a reasonable deal, Cashman has had an Amazing off season.
Jeter
Damon
Tex
A-Rod
Jorge
Johnson
Cano
Swish
Grandy
can you say 1000 runs
Guillen wasn’t a very big fan of Swisher’s either and that worked out ok.
The Yankees are one of the few teams Swisher would work out on because there is no pressure on him with all the stud bats here. On the white sox, he had to be a key player, and he is not a guy to build a team around.
Ozzie’s not a good manager. Swisher and Javy both did well once they got out away from that schizo.
Anyway, just add .75 runs to the ERA to estimate what you’re going to get out of the #4 slot this season. Good times.
“I was doing my own parody of 2010 a space odysssey and applying it to the board.
Do you remember the ending ?
dont know if you liked it or not but I am a big fan of Clarke, and Kubrick who directed.”
That’s “2001″ not 2010.
2010 was the sequel and Kubrick had nothing to do with it.
CB, if the Yankees would have lost any of their playoff series Swisher was first in line as the goat with is .155 BA was he not?
“Not quite. Ajax, despite what most think here, will never be a star player”
You can’t say that. You can say he doesn’t project to be a star player, but we don’t know for sure. Neither Cano nor Granderson projected to be star players and both are.
I still can’t remember when the last time the Yankees traded a starting position player – anyone?
“Ozzie’s not a good manager. Swisher and Javy both did well once they got out away from that schizo.”
Swisher earned his tongue lashing/benching. He sucked.
Vazquez? Hard to question a consistent 200 inning guy’s heart.
bronx-
I stand corrected.
who did direct it then ?
“I still can’t remember when the last time the Yankees traded a starting position player – anyone?”
Roberto Kelly?
GHOST. Ya remember Alfonso Soriano??
MTU, sorry I’ve been at work and have been just scanning the post when I get a second. Anyway, I really don’t know. It will depend on how flexible they will be with their budget. The vazquez signing means that there is no way they can sign Holliday without raising payroll. However they wouldn’t have to raise it significantly over last years most likely. I still think its the best move but I don’t own the barn or write the checks.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
CB, if the Yankees would have lost any of their playoff series Swisher was first in line as the goat with is .155 BA was he not?
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Stop judging players on one post season series and such a small sample size.
“if the Yankees would have lost any of their playoff series Swisher was first in line as the goat with is .155 BA was he not?”
But that’s a completely separate point as to whether or not we should pay any attention to what Ozzie Guillen has to say about Swisher.
I don’t put a whole lot of stock into Ozzie’s public pronouncements and I don’t think what he had to say about Vazquez means that much.
Bronx-
never mind.
Peter Hyams.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I can’t remember the last time I’ve been this upset about the Yankees trading away a player. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees traded a starter.
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Are you serious?! How old are you? 16?
Soriano for A-Rod maybe??????
rb
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Erica, that is hysterical!
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I try
(Btw- I wrote them back the following: “GTLU will not be in the Olympics…. this year, but I have dreams”)
“CB, if the Yankees would have lost any of their playoff series Swisher was first in line as the goat with is .155 BA was he not?”
Going off past history, Alex would’ve been ‘the goat’. Just took a glance at 2007 ALDS; Posada, Jeter, Matsui, Melky, and Giambi had lower BA (and OPS) than him. And Alex was still the postergoat.
I am just putting it out there…. I am convinced this trade sets the table for the return of MPB Johnny Damon
I hope Joba wins the job as the 5th starter. He’s finally stretched out and if they give him the chance to start, he will show for sure whether or not he can reach his potential as a starter. If he does, they can put Hughes in the 5 spot the following year with a rotation of CC, FA (Lee), AJ, Joba, Hughes. If Joba can’t cut it this season as a starter, you gave him a fair chance and you put him in the bullpen next year and give Hughes a chance to start.
“I am just putting it out there…. I am convinced this trade sets the table for the return of MPB Johnny Damon”
Putting WHAT out there?
Erica, I would not be surprised.
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I am just putting it out there…. I am convinced this trade sets the table for the return of MPB Johnny Damon
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I’m thinking the same thing
Cant believe how easily you forget. Our 3rd baseman of the future Bettimett for Swisher.
yeah, I guess I forgot the Soriano/Kelly trades because they were easily justified at the time. They still both stung though, but I think my point stands that it’s a rarity for the Yankees to trade away a starter. This one just doesn’t seem right too me. I thought there would be something more valuable out there for Melky than a career .500 pitcher with a clutchless reputation.
Frank
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“I am just putting it out there…. I am convinced this trade sets the table for the return of MPB Johnny Damon”
Putting WHAT out there?
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Hey some of you should be happy that you are Yankee fans and that we have a great team. Look across town Omar Minaya just signed R.A. Dickey the knuckleballer to a contract, lol !
Thank God I’m a Yankee fan !
2 OT matters and I’m going home:
1) Lost in the Vazquez hubbub was a pretty nice score by Alex the Greek in Toronto. He’s had an OK winter.
2) What’s the world come to when the AP’s Male Athlete of the Year couldn’t beat me in a game of one on one hoops and the Female Ahtlete of the Year’s most notable moment was threatening to off a chair umpire?
That Soriano for A-Rod deal worked out sorta well I think.
mel if your out there. Do my Colts finish the season undefeated?
“as usual espn blows the yankees spending out of proportion.”
Yanks have had a payroll over 200 million for how many years now?
Not sure how ESPN can blow it out of proportion. The Yankees spend and have been happy to spend for years now.
Nothing wrong with it as there’s no salary cap.
Jeremy
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Hey some of you should be happy that you are Yankee fans and that we have a great team. Look across town Omar Minaya just signed R.A. Dickey the knuckleballer to a contract, lol !
Thank God I’m a Yankee fan !
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I have Mets fan friends who are in quite an uproar on facebook. I can’t blame them much
The Yankees can sign some mid-level outfielder for 6-10 million and come in just under last years payroll or they can sign Holliday and come in just over it.
vbo3 wrote:
That Soriano for A-Rod deal worked out sorta well I think.
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not really. The Yankees could have kept Soriano and signed Arod in 2008 at the end of his contract and still had him for the 2009 post season.
The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I still can’t remember when the last time the Yankees traded a starting position player – anyone?
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2007 – Randy Johnson for prospects
2006 – Jaret Wright for prospects
2006 – Gary Sheffield for prospects
2006 – Shawn Chacon for Craig Wilson
2005 – Javier Vasquez and prospects for Randy Johnson
2004 – Soriano for A-Rod
2003 – Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera for Javier Vazquez
2003 – Robin Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor
2003 – Raul Mondesi for prospects
2003 – Rondell White for prospects
etc, etc….I’m sure there are some I missed. The point is, it happens all the time.
raymagnetic,
Good point. The media talking about it makes some Yankee fans get on the defensive. I think it should be the opposite. You should be proud of it and let these hater fans know that their owners should give back to them as well. Most dont know that there are richer owners than the Steinbrenners. Like the saying goes “if you got it, flaunt it”.
Re Damon coming back:
I apologize in advance for this Erica but the team comes first.
1 I do not think the Yanks want him as an everyday LF
2 If he shares time with NJ at DH then we have negated some of NJ primary value to be a DH, and maybe forced to the bench more.
3 If JD comes back now is he gonna be happy with what he might have to accept
4 If the Yanks did mainly ask JD to play LF I do not like his defense out there.
He still has a great stick though so maybe that makes up for the fielding.
He was kinda shakey out there last year.
The Holliday man is still the best choice by far IMO.
You’ve got to root for guys like RA Dickey to ever make it to the Major Leagues in the first place. While his handicap isn’t as severe as Jim Abbott’s was, he still shouldn’t be able to pitch.
The NL East isn’t the same as the Central or the West. They had 3 of the top 6 offenses in the NL and 5 of the top 12.
He pitched 5 games against the Phillies with 33 IP and a 3.00 ERA.
He pitched 7.2 innings against Boston while only giving up 1 run.
That’s 6 starts against 2 of the top 4 offenses in baseball.
I can understand the emotional attachment to Melky. He was one of my favorite players also. But I was also emotionally attached to Willie Randolph also. And many since.
Get over it.
Who would folks have preferred trading:
Tex? – Not.
Cano? – Hmmm. No.
Jeter? – Don’t think so.
A-Rod? – To what country?
Posada? – Don’t think so.
Granderson – just got him.
Swisher – Maybe. But he’s the second most valuable outfielder.
Gardner – and get what back? A reliever?
Hoffmann – is that one n or 2? He’s gone anyway, he just doesn’t know it yet.
Johnson – just got him, but not impossible.
Melky had to be the one. He had value, is versitile, and relatively affordable. Plus he’s replaceable, unlike most listed above.
We just did a Bobby Abreu redux. Remember that? All we gave up was in essence multiple spare parts, but nothing irreplaceable.
Now we can either fill LF with Hoffmann and Gardner (sounds like a law firm), trade for someone affordable, or sign an inexpensive FA.
Good move by Cash.
Blake-
If what you say is true then I know what I’m gonna do.
Sure hope Cash sees it the same way.
Erica- always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
“I have Mets fan friends who are in quite an uproar on facebook. I can’t blame them much”
Yeah I can’t blame them as well. The Mets are looking real sad these past couple of years but I will admit that I’ve enjoyed their failures because it’s so funny.
GB7,
Not sure if you caught my post in the previous thread. Prime 9 had the best center fielders ever. Mays #1 Cobb followed by Mick. Do you agree with that? Do you think Hunter should have been on that list?
Hoffa, I guess I should have elaborated. by position player I am excluding pitchers and I don’t consider players like Mondesi/White/Ventura to count because they were clearly not going to be in the plans in the next season. Johnson was a part time player in 2003. Melky at this point in time was clearly the starting LF.
S.o.S., I saw and answered it, I’ll locate it and repost my response.
Good stuff no.27. Wasnt aware of that.
“Lost in Holliday In—could be some coal in you boy’s sock come Xmas.”
Possibly, but as I stated here a few days ago.. if yanks can’t make a Holliday deal work, they will re-visit the Damon situation if possible.
Make no qualms about it, yanks are still in it. If Boras can fleece SL (which so far has not been proven so) then no Holliday in the bronx.
ASk yourself, “Do you really think the Yankees would pass on Holliday at 5/85?”
Sure hope your not buying the ‘cry me a river’ budget in the media.
I don’t consider players like Mondesi/White/Ventura to count because they were clearly not going to be in the plans in the next season.
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And Melky was? Trading for Granderson should have been the first sign. Your 09 starting center fielder was going to be getting splinter in ’10 riding the pine. As DaSaint pointed out. He was the first spare part on the totem pole that we can afford to trade. Think of the bright side. If he turns into the next Bernie. We can always get him back in free agency.
Lost in Holliday-in
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
“Lost in Holliday In—could be some coal in you boy’s sock come Xmas.”
Possibly, but as I stated here a few days ago.. if yanks can’t make a Holliday deal work, they will re-visit the Damon situation if possible.
Make no qualms about it, yanks are still in it. If Boras can fleece SL (which so far has not been proven so) then no Holliday in the bronx.
ASk yourself, “Do you really think the Yankees would pass on Holliday at 5/85?”
Sure hope your not buying the ‘cry me a river’ budget in the media.
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ALL IN!
S.o.S.
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
So Javy coming from the n.l. is too risky but most of you wanted the Yankees to sign Sheets(n.l. and injury prone)?
GB7,
Watching prime 9 last night and they had the best center fielders to ever play the game. #1 ended up being Mays. Do you think he was better than Mickey out there? Was there anyone better in you opinion? Im surprised Hunter didnt make that list.
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Mays has to be rated better, if for no other reason than health. He was a better center fielder than Mantle, defensively. He was a natural. Mantle just had the incredible speed to outrun everything, plus an unreal throwing arm, but, he wasn’t instinctive.
I was more surprised that Dawson wasn’t on the list than I was that Hunter wasn’t. I would have left Puckett off the list.
new thread
vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
That Soriano for A-Rod deal worked out sorta well I think.
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if you think about it that trade was Soriano for AROD and Cano
Frank: are you sure you were watching Joba Chamberlain pitc h in the playoffs. The one I saw was quite good. Evidently Girardi thought so too because he went for Joba over Phil.
I can’t understand the no love for Joba. When critizing him people have a tendency to view him as have personality quirks. Since when has pitching criteria included a straight arrow demeanor. Joba has the electricity to get the crowd going. Let him pitch the whole year w/o the restrictions and let him show what he really can do.
Any pitcher from this rotation would make a great replacement for Mo when the great one retires. It just is not Joba Chamberlain from Nebraska.
Lost in Holliday-in
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
“Lost in Holliday In—could be some coal in you boy’s sock come Xmas.”
Possibly, but as I stated here a few days ago.. if yanks can’t make a Holliday deal work, they will re-visit the Damon situation if possible.
Make no qualms about it, yanks are still in it. If Boras can fleece SL (which so far has not been proven so) then no Holliday in the bronx.
ASk yourself, “Do you really think the Yankees would pass on Holliday at 5/85?”
Sure hope your not buying the ‘cry me a river’ budget in the media.
Lost,
How soon do you think before Holliday signs with somebody? I thought for sure by Christmas Eve but now it looks like this is going to go into January.
M, ye of little faith. In what century will Robertson out pitch Joba? Or were you trying to appease Betsy.
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