Comments on: It’s official: Vazquez to Yanks in a 3-for-2 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:39:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lauren http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1197849 Lauren Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:17:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1197849 "Wanna really kill the offense? Give Brett Gardner 400 ABs." Yup, totally agree. “Wanna really kill the offense?

Give Brett Gardner 400 ABs.”

Yup, totally agree.

]]> By: Lauren http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1197842 Lauren Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:12:14 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1197842 I can't make sense of a single move the Yankees have made (or not made) this offseason, except for Granderson, and even that I am still debating as far as balance in regards to what we gave up to get him. Vasquez pitching in the AL East is a disaster. I cannot believe they are willing to take this risk. I'll get criticized for this, but they have already disrupted a good chunk of chemisty from the 2009 squad. I'm not sure I understand Cashman's goals for 2010. I can’t make sense of a single move the Yankees have made (or not made) this offseason, except for Granderson, and even that I am still debating as far as balance in regards to what we gave up to get him.

Vasquez pitching in the AL East is a disaster. I cannot believe they are willing to take this risk.

I’ll get criticized for this, but they have already disrupted a good chunk of chemisty from the 2009 squad. I’m not sure I understand Cashman’s goals for 2010.

]]> By: Jerry Kenney http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1195128 Jerry Kenney Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:09:30 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1195128 Wish we had guys like this when I played. Heck, Fritz Peterson was our best pitcher. Anyway, both Joba "the hut" Chambermaid and Phil "how are they hitting me?" Hughes BOTH below in the pig-pen. I'd start Gaudin or Mitre as my fifth starter. Why not? Wish we had guys like this when I played. Heck, Fritz Peterson was our best pitcher. Anyway, both Joba “the hut” Chambermaid and Phil “how are they hitting me?” Hughes BOTH below in the pig-pen.

I’d start Gaudin or Mitre as my fifth starter. Why not?

]]> By: Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194833 Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:08:07 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194833 We can argue forever whether Boston's or the Yanks' rotation is better on paper, but what I think the difference-maker is, is this: which rotation has more potential to excel, has the higher ceiling. IMO, this is how that stacks up: Beckett will be in a salary-drive/walk year so he will be out of this world - look for him to win 20, easy. Dice-K has a lot to prove and if he's healthy - and he certainly was when he came back last year - he will revert to form and that will mean 16-18 wins. I've watched Lackey out here in L.A. his entire career and he is a bonafide No. 1, also with a lot to prove (prove the Angels wrong, earn that contract) so I expect him to have a career year - also 16-18 wins. So for those three, IMO, that's 52-56 wins alone. Meanwhile, we have only one bonafide No. 1 and that's CC. Can he possibly have that great a year twice in a row? Doubtful, but let's say he does, wins 19-20. AJ reverted to form for us and it is unlikely we will see him duplicate '08 in Toronto. And Andy is another year older. So with those three, IMO, maybe we get 45-50 wins. That's leaves the backend and the bullpens to make up the difference, and there I think it's a wash between the two teams - Mo gives us an edge, and we don't know yet who will be in the rotation and in the bullpen for the Yanks. So IMO, Boston's rotation has more potential than ours. We can argue forever whether Boston’s or the Yanks’ rotation is better on paper, but what I think the difference-maker is, is this: which rotation has more potential to excel, has the higher ceiling. IMO, this is how that stacks up:

Beckett will be in a salary-drive/walk year so he will be out of this world – look for him to win 20, easy. Dice-K has a lot to prove and if he’s healthy – and he certainly was when he came back last year – he will revert to form and that will mean 16-18 wins. I’ve watched Lackey out here in L.A. his entire career and he is a bonafide No. 1, also with a lot to prove (prove the Angels wrong, earn that contract) so I expect him to have a career year – also 16-18 wins. So for those three, IMO, that’s 52-56 wins alone.

Meanwhile, we have only one bonafide No. 1 and that’s CC. Can he possibly have that great a year twice in a row? Doubtful, but let’s say he does, wins 19-20. AJ reverted to form for us and it is unlikely we will see him duplicate ’08 in Toronto. And Andy is another year older. So with those three, IMO, maybe we get 45-50 wins.

That’s leaves the backend and the bullpens to make up the difference, and there I think it’s a wash between the two teams – Mo gives us an edge, and we don’t know yet who will be in the rotation and in the bullpen for the Yanks.

So IMO, Boston’s rotation has more potential than ours.

]]> By: ko http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194796 ko Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:50:13 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194796 This deal helps the Yankees in 2010 even if Vazquez reverts to pitching the way he always has in the American League. A fourth starter just needs to keep you in the game and eat innings and Vazquez will do that. This takes the pressure off of the rotation. Anything more is gravy and you can re-sign him at the end of the season. I'd get another starter and keep Chamberlain and Hughes in the bullpen where they can be awesome. I like Bedard, Sheets if you must. Losing Cabrera and Dunn doesn't hurt much. I was looking at Cabrera as sort of a righty semi-platoon with Granderson in center, seeing how Granderson is useless against lefties. Maybe Hoffman fills that role. Dunn is a raw lefty. Hard to say what he'll develop in to. This deal helps the Yankees in 2010 even if Vazquez reverts to pitching the way he always has in the American League. A fourth starter just needs to keep you in the game and eat innings and Vazquez will do that. This takes the pressure off of the rotation. Anything more is gravy and you can re-sign him at the end of the season. I’d get another starter and keep Chamberlain and Hughes in the bullpen where they can be awesome. I like Bedard, Sheets if you must. Losing Cabrera and Dunn doesn’t hurt much. I was looking at Cabrera as sort of a righty semi-platoon with Granderson in center, seeing how Granderson is useless against lefties. Maybe Hoffman fills that role. Dunn is a raw lefty. Hard to say what he’ll develop in to.

]]> By: Stultus Magnus http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194742 Stultus Magnus Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:23:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194742 Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm Some of you are idiots ! Javy is the 4th Starter I say again the 4th starter ! If you want to blame 2004 on Javy then you’re a idiot ! The entire team was to blame for the collapse including Joe Torre, and Game 7 was on Kevin Brown. Javy had a good first half with the Yankees and was injured. And if some of you can recall Orlando Hernandez was not that great in the 2004 playoffs as well and he was injured. If you want to blame someone take a look at Kevin Brown. ================ Kevin Brown was injured too... Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm

Some of you are idiots ! Javy is the 4th Starter I say again the 4th starter !

If you want to blame 2004 on Javy then you’re a idiot ! The entire team was to blame for the collapse including Joe Torre, and Game 7 was on Kevin Brown.

Javy had a good first half with the Yankees and was injured. And if some of you can recall Orlando Hernandez was not that great in the 2004 playoffs as well and he was injured. If you want to blame someone take a look at Kevin Brown.

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Kevin Brown was injured too…

]]> By: searay http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194736 searay Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:21:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194736 Seems everyone is basing this trade on next year. After next year, we may have nothing to show for it. And if the young pitchers we traded pitch close to their potential, we'll wish we never made the trade. Seems everyone is basing this trade on next year. After next year, we may have nothing to show for it. And if the young pitchers we traded pitch close to their potential, we’ll wish we never made the trade.

]]> By: 7789 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194726 7789 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:16:12 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194726 Giving up an outfielder with a career ops of 716 and a young reliever for a strikeout pitcher who will pitch 200 innings and win around 15 games is a no brainer. Giving up an outfielder with a career ops of 716 and a young reliever for a strikeout pitcher who will pitch 200 innings and win around 15 games is a no brainer.

]]> By: UpState http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194706 UpState Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:07:48 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194706 RR December 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm Cahman must be an idiot. He missed signing Matsui and got Nick Johnson who spends most of his time on DL for the same price. Gets rid of our only superb defensive outfielder for Vasquez who is not able to pitch in NY. Let us go get Contrares and may be Irabu to complete the rotation. Why screw with what is not broken. He destroyed the yankee outfield ============================ Cashman is NOT an idiot. Matsui was locked-in that he was going to play the outfield. This would not happen with the Yankees. Please check out Nick Johnson's career production. FOZZIE BEAR (Melky) was certainly not a supurb outfielder. Check out Mr. Vasquez' production after the injury-plagued second half of 2004. The outfield wasn't broken - however it will be significantly better (once the next piece is finalized). Please "google" Curtis Granderson - the NYY recently made a trade with Detroit. Once you catch-up and attempt to comprehend what has been done - most reasonable Yankee fans (maybe not yourself) will easily agree that we are an improved team. And yes - your little precious Melky is gone - but go an Atlanta hat & a plane ticket - alot of good seats available at that Stadium ! He will do better in the weaker league where he honestly will be considered more than a 4th-5th outfielder, as he was here. Sheeeeeesh. RR
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Cahman must be an idiot. He missed signing Matsui and got Nick Johnson who spends most of his time on DL for the same price. Gets rid of our only superb defensive outfielder for Vasquez who is not able to pitch in NY. Let us go get Contrares and may be Irabu to complete the rotation. Why screw with what is not broken. He destroyed the yankee outfield
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Cashman is NOT an idiot.
Matsui was locked-in that he was going to play the outfield. This would not happen with the Yankees.
Please check out Nick Johnson’s career production.
FOZZIE BEAR (Melky) was certainly not a supurb outfielder.
Check out Mr. Vasquez’ production after the injury-plagued second half of 2004.
The outfield wasn’t broken – however it will be significantly better (once the next piece is finalized).
Please “google” Curtis Granderson – the NYY recently made a trade with Detroit. Once you catch-up and attempt to comprehend what has been done – most reasonable Yankee fans (maybe not yourself) will easily agree that we are an improved team.
And yes – your little precious Melky is gone – but go an Atlanta hat & a plane ticket – alot of good seats available at that Stadium !
He will do better in the weaker league where he honestly will be considered more than a 4th-5th outfielder, as he was here.

Sheeeeeesh.

]]> By: G. Love http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/22/its-official-vazquez-to-yanks-in-a-3-for-2/comment-page-8/#comment-1194700 G. Love Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:04:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=21971#comment-1194700 Mad Prince, I'm with you 1000% there. Letting Pettitte go over money was short sighted and silly. I know we thought he was about the break down and he did have some injury issues in Houston, but having him atop that staff in 2004 would have made the difference. Every Yankee fan knows that in their hearts. I'm of the mindset that Boston isn't winning any titles again for a very long time. Cashman is making smart moves. Not desperate moves. The minors are still stocked with talent. He's learned from the mistake of 2008 when he handed rotation spots to young pitchers who hadn't earned them yet. Joba and Phil will have to fight for the 5 spot and it's going to make them stronger since I think the loser of that competition will do everything in his power to get that spot back. Just like Melky did with his competition with Gardner this year. Javy's not being asked to be the savior here. He's being asked to pitch against most teams 3rd and 4th best starter which he is way more talented and skilled than. Mad Prince,

I’m with you 1000% there. Letting Pettitte go over money was short sighted and silly.

I know we thought he was about the break down and he did have some injury issues in Houston, but having him atop that staff in 2004 would have made the difference. Every Yankee fan knows that in their hearts.

I’m of the mindset that Boston isn’t winning any titles again for a very long time.

Cashman is making smart moves. Not desperate moves. The minors are still stocked with talent.

He’s learned from the mistake of 2008 when he handed rotation spots to young pitchers who hadn’t earned them yet.

Joba and Phil will have to fight for the 5 spot and it’s going to make them stronger since I think the loser of that competition will do everything in his power to get that spot back. Just like Melky did with his competition with Gardner this year.

Javy’s not being asked to be the savior here. He’s being asked to pitch against most teams 3rd and 4th best starter which he is way more talented and skilled than.

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