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Javier Vazquez press conference

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Turns out, Javier Vazquez is on vacation with his family, but he’s agreed to be on the conference call.

Vazquez: “I’m glad to be back. I’m excited to be a part of the team again. Everybody that knows me, knows that I didn’t want to leave my first time out. I’m just glad to be back.”

Vazquez on his 2004 season with the Yankees: “In the second half, my arm didn’t feel as good as it did in the first half, and it was really the first time in my career, and really the only time in my career, that I felt my arm wasn’t where it’s supposed to be. I started getting treatment a little later than I should have. I never said anything. I went out there every five days. I hated not being out there. That might have been my mistake, I never said anything.”

Vazquez on his 2009 season: “I just felt good. I felt good in Atlanta. I was glad to be back in the National League. I just pitched. It’s tough to say this went good, this went bad. Obviously I had a good season and everything was working for me, but I can’t pinpoint everything.”

UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Brian Cashman is up next. Vazquez didn’t have a lot to say, just talked a lot about leaving New York with a bad taste in his mouth and being excited to get back with a chance to fix that.

UPDATE, 4:21 p.m.: Random tidbit. Vazquez is the first player the Yankees have traded for twice since Jeff Nelson.

Cashman on the 2004 numbers not bothering him: “He’s a tremendous pitcher who has a long career of success and durability. And really the second half of 04, which was poor, can not erase the long success he’s had as a major league pitcher.”

Cashman on Hughes and Chamberlain: “It’s going to be a competition for that fifth spot.” Cashman said whoever does not make the rotation will either go to the bullpen or go to Triple-A. The Yankees have not decided who gets bumped.

Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.”

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495 Responses to “Javier Vazquez press conference”

  1. Carl December 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Can you post the audio when its over please thanks.

  2. Vrsce December 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I am glad he is back as well.

  3. crawdaddy December 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Cashman didn’t want you to leave either Javy.

  4. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Great to have Javy back, was never in favor of trading him for an old Randy Johnson in 2005.

  5. Degan747 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Bring Holliday inn for a a team that will break the wins record(116?), and win 28.

  6. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    I hope Joba wins the job as the 5th starter. He’s finally stretched out and if they give him the chance to start, he will show for sure whether or not he can reach his potential as a starter. If he does, they can put Hughes in the 5 spot the following year with a rotation of CC, FA (Lee), AJ, Joba, Hughes. If Joba can’t cut it this season as a starter, you gave him a fair chance and you put him in the bullpen next year and give Hughes a chance to start.

  7. Hoffa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I still can’t remember when the last time the Yankees traded a starting position player – anyone?
    ___

    2007 – Randy Johnson for prospects
    2006 – Jaret Wright for prospects
    2006 – Gary Sheffield for prospects
    2006 – Shawn Chacon for Craig Wilson
    2005 – Javier Vasquez and prospects for Randy Johnson
    2004 – Soriano for A-Rod
    2003 – Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera for Javier Vazquez
    2003 – Robin Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor
    2003 – Raul Mondesi for prospects
    2003 – Rondell White for prospects

    etc, etc….I’m sure there are some I missed. The point is, it happens all the time.

  8. Flores December 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Welcome back Javy!

  9. G. Love December 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Sounds good to me.

    Welcome back Javy!

  10. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    The NL East isn’t the same as the Central or the West. They had 3 of the top 6 offenses in the NL and 5 of the top 12.

    He pitched 5 games against the Phillies with 33 IP and a 3.00 ERA.

    He pitched 7.2 innings against Boston while only giving up 1 run.

    That’s 6 starts against 2 of the top 4 offenses in baseball. With a 2.66 ERA and almost 7IP per start.

  11. gomer December 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Days like these i miss Pete!

  12. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    We can argue forever whether Boston’s or the Yanks’ rotation is better on paper, but what I think the difference-maker is, is this: which rotation has more potential to excel, has the higher ceiling. IMO, this is how that stacks up:

    Beckett will be in a salary-drive/walk year so he will be out of this world – look for him to win 20, easy. Dice-K has a lot to prove and if he’s healthy – and he certainly was when he came back last year – he will revert to form and that will mean 16-18 wins. I’ve watched Lackey out here in L.A. his entire career and he is a bonafide No. 1, also with a lot to prove (prove the Angels wrong, earn that contract) so I expect him to have a career year – also 16-18 wins. So for those three, IMO, that’s 52-56 wins alone.

    Meanwhile, we have only one bonafide No. 1 and that’s CC. Can he possibly have that great a year twice in a row? Doubtful, but let’s say he does, wins 19-20. AJ reverted to form for us and it is unlikely we will see him duplicate ‘08 in Toronto. And Andy is another year older. So with those three, IMO, maybe we get 45-50 wins.

    That’s leaves the backend and the bullpens to make up the difference, and there I think it’s a wash between the two teams – Mo gives us an edge, and we don’t know yet who will be in the rotation and in the bullpen for the Yanks.

    So IMO, Javy helps, but Boston’s rotation has more potential than ours.

  13. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    I’m not even sure why the Braves wanted Melky, they have a ton of OF’s, including Nate McLouth and Jordan Schafer.

  14. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    I agree the move here should be to leave Joba in the ro in the 5 hole and have young master Hughes in the pen 1 more year with the goal to get him about 100 innings

  15. E-gawa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    No, I’d rather see Hughes get that #5 spot.. he actually earned it and looks alot better than Joba.

    I’d prefer to see Joba start the year in the minors to keep him stretched out and have him as a #6 but no one agrees with that.

  16. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Beckett will be in a salary-drive/walk year so he will be out of this world – look for him to win 20, easy. Dice-K has a lot to prove and if he’s healthy – and he certainly was when he came back last year – he will revert to form and that will mean 16-18 wins. I’ve watched Lackey out here in L.A. his entire career and he is a bonafide No. 1, also with a lot to prove (prove the Angels wrong, earn that contract) so I expect him to have a career year – also 16-18 wins. So for those three, IMO, that’s 52-56 wins alone.

    ————

    That’s quite optimistic, and you haven’t even taken Lester into account. Since he is better than either Beckett or Dice-K he might win 25-30 games. We should just forfeit the division.

  17. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    I’m psyched that Javy is back, he is a lot better than people give him credit for. One of the most underrated pitchers in baseball this year.

  18. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    S.o.S, here’s the response to your question.

    S.o.S.
    December 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    So Javy coming from the n.l. is too risky but most of you wanted the Yankees to sign Sheets(n.l. and injury prone)?

    GB7,
    Watching prime 9 last night and they had the best center fielders to ever play the game. #1 ended up being Mays. Do you think he was better than Mickey out there? Was there anyone better in you opinion? Im surprised Hunter didnt make that list.

    ————————————————————

    Mays has to be rated better, if for no other reason than health. He was a better center fielder than Mantle, defensively. He was a natural. Mantle just had the incredible speed to outrun everything, plus an unreal throwing arm, but, he wasn’t instinctive.

    I was more surprised that Dawson wasn’t on the list and I was that Hunter wasn’t. I would have left Puckett off the list.

  19. Sam Borden December 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Thanks to everyone for jumping on the live chat with us. We had over 1,000 questions come in over less than an hour! The community here is incredibly knowledgeable and incredibly strong. Truly amazing.

  20. E-gawa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Then again.. no one thought that Hughes and IPK would be sent down either….

  21. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Kevin Brown,

    All of your points are based on what-if’s and assumptions

  22. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    E-Gawa,

    “No, I’d rather see Hughes get that #5 spot.. he actually earned it and looks alot better than Joba. ”

    What has Hughes done to earn it over Joba? Joba has had more success than Hughes both as a starter and a reliever.

  23. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Vazquez never should have been traded. Johnson never should have been traded.

    I’m so glad that Cashman is the man in charge now.

  24. GMAN December 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Yankees pitching staff is way better today than yesterday!

    If Vazquez reaches 200 career wins, 3000 k’s and is a starter on 3 World Series Championship teams…and all are achievable…Javy will deserve HOF consideration…

    Bestly…the price was light!

    Question…why were there no other takers for Javy…why was the market so light?

  25. Mark in Tampa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    “All of your points are based on what-if’s and assumptions”

    I think there is always some of this, since, to my knowledge, no player has ever exactly duplicated his previous year’s stats.

  26. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Welcome Back Javy!! :)

  27. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Yankees traded Melky because we have another Melky in the organization. :D

  28. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    vb03 and Patrick:

    Agreed it’s all conjecture, just trying to apply some logic to all the back-and-forth.

  29. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    I don’t consider players like Mondesi/White/Ventura to count because they were clearly not going to be in the plans in the next season.

    =======

    And Melky was? Trading for Granderson should have been the first sign. Your 09 starting center fielder was going to be getting splinter in ‘10 riding the pine. As DaSaint pointed out. He was the first spare part on the totem pole that we can afford to trade. Think of the bright side. If he turns into the next Bernie. We can always get him back in free agency.

  30. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    “I think there is always some of this, since, to my knowledge, no player has ever exactly duplicated his previous year’s stats.”

    But projection systems are actually somewhat accurate. They are based on the 3 previous years of data as well as historical models. Kevin is basing his projection on “This guy has a lot to prove. This guy doesn’t have a lot to prove.”

  31. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Lost in Holliday-in
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    “Lost in Holliday In—could be some coal in you boy’s sock come Xmas.”

    Possibly, but as I stated here a few days ago.. if yanks can’t make a Holliday deal work, they will re-visit the Damon situation if possible.

    Make no qualms about it, yanks are still in it. If Boras can fleece SL (which so far has not been proven so) then no Holliday in the bronx.

    ASk yourself, “Do you really think the Yankees would pass on Holliday at 5/85?”

    Sure hope your not buying the ‘cry me a river’ budget in the media.

    The budget paranoia is leverage in the Holliday talks. Leverage. That is all.

  32. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    “Vazquez never should have been traded. Johnson never should have been traded.”

    Maybe the Yankees trade for Juan Rivera to play LF and Randy Choate to replace Coke in the bullpen?

  33. Jim December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Mets just signed R.A. Dickey

    Phillies better watch out…

  34. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    GB7,
    Dawson? Andre? If thats who you are talking about, i saw the tail end of his career. He wasnt in center field. I believe he was a right fielder with the Cubs then.

  35. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Today is my last day of work ’til January, and because of the Vazquez situation I’ve hardly gotten any work done. Is it bad that I feel very little guilt? :)

  36. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    In Kevin’s Brown world everything will be rosy for the Sox and everything will be grey and cloudy for the Yanks :(

  37. GMAN December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Also about payroll in MLB…

    Doesn’t it make sense that a top ML team put a team on the field with talent that costs $1.2 million per game!

    People complain about the Yanks…nobody complains that the Avatar movie costs $400 million to make…

    It’s all about risk and reward…the Yanks do it right…The franchise is simply the most successful in American Sports history…because of savvy investment and great marketing…in a city with more sports (including 2 MLB teams) and entertainment choices available to the consumer than anywhere in America.

  38. Mark December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    How is it that the Vasquez deal becomes official in about 2 hours and there is already a conference call… yet Johnson’s deal was agreed to about 6 days ago and it still isin’t official?

    Even Granderson had his conference call the day after the trade was agreed to, and that involved physicals for 8 players…..

  39. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Patrick:

    I just think that actually has a lot to do with how players perform. Guys excelling in their walk years – especially alpha males like Beckett and AJ – somehow always seem to deliver. And guys who’ve signed big FA contracts always think they have something to prove.

  40. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    How long will Boras continue to have this stare down with St.Louis? Can someone please blink or turn away so we can finally have our ’10 roster set already?

  41. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Erin
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    Today is my last day of work ’til January, and because of the Vazquez situation I’ve hardly gotten any work done. Is it bad that I feel very little guilt?

    ********

    Nope!

  42. AeroFANatic December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    The competition will be fierce for the #5 slot, but my hunch is that Chamberlain gets it to start with Hughes as the 8th inning bridge. Hughes looks to have about a 130ip limit this year. He will get that with working 2 innings at a time, if they indeed go that route. Or maybe piggybacking Hughes at the end of Joba starts when he can only go 4-5?

  43. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Vazquez on his 2009 season: “I just felt good. I felt good in Atlanta. I was glad to be back in the National League.

    ———————————————————

    So no one is concerned that vazquez said he was glad to be back in the national league last year? I know it scares me a little….OK alot.

  44. Laura - Why aren't more people watching FRINGE? December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    “ASk yourself, “Do you really think the Yankees would pass on Holliday at 5/85?” ”

    Doesn’t he already have a stronger offer than that from the Cards? Or did they offer $16m?

  45. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    “So no one is concerned that vazquez said he was glad to be back in the national league last year? I know it scares me a little….OK alot.”

    Why shouldn’t he enjoy the NL? It’s easier on pitchers than the AL.

  46. Betsy -high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Wow, so AAA is an option – I like that.

    I’m really starting to get excited now. JV sounded genuinely happy to be back and that’s a big deal to me

  47. jayhi December 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    I like Hughes as number 5 and Joba in the pen, but either of those two would better off to embrace the pen now to assure himself a place on the 25. Gaudin or Mitre are probably better canidates for starting.

  48. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    CC has had excellent years 3 years in a row now. Unless he’s injured what’s stopping him from having another excellent year?

    He won the Cy Young 2 years ago, no? Then followed that up by almost singlehandedly willing the Brewers into the playoffs. Then followed that up by leading the Yankees to a WS championship.

    Why is he suddenly going to stop being as good when he’s still in his prime?

  49. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Erin
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    Today is my last day of work ’til January, and because of the Vazquez situation I’ve hardly gotten any work done. Is it bad that I feel very little guilt?

    ********

    Nope!

    ******************
    OK, good! :)

  50. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    I’ve been thinking that getting Matt Holliday is nothing but a fan fantasy, and I still think that since signing him would, by my reckoning, have the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2009 than they did in 2010.

    However, he hasn’t signed with St Louis, and the Red Sox have Ellsbury in LF and the Yanks have Gardner in LF.

    On the theory that nature abhors a vacuum, I can’t help but wonder…

  51. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    sab
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    Vazquez on his 2009 season: “I just felt good. I felt good in Atlanta. I was glad to be back in the National League.

    ———————————————————

    So no one is concerned that vazquez said he was glad to be back in the national league last year? I know it scares me a little….OK alot.
    ———————————————————–
    I’ve got to admit that I didn’t like that quote either.
    But he did say that he feels he has a chance at redemption now that he’s back with the team. :-)

  52. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    GB7,
    Dawson? Andre? If thats who you are talking about, i saw the tail end of his career. He wasnt in center field. I believe he was a right fielder with the Cubs then.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, he was a RF with the Cubs, but a CF with the Expos. One of the best I’ve ever seen. That concrete that he played on destroyed his knees after about 7-8 years.

  53. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Patrick
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    “So no one is concerned that vazquez said he was glad to be back in the national league last year? I know it scares me a little….OK alot.”

    Why shouldn’t he enjoy the NL? It’s easier on pitchers than the AL.
    ———————————————————-

    Bingo Patrick – do you want a pitcher who is more comfortable in the NL and kinds soils his diaper in the AL – at least mentally its seems he’s already in panic mode..

  54. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    correction:

    “have the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2010 than they did in 2009.”

  55. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    have the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2009 than they did in 2010.

    Do you mean the reverse; that signing Holliday has the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2010 than they did in 2009?

  56. bmarv December 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Sab

    “I’m glad to be back. I’m excited to be a part of the team again. Everybody that knows me, knows that I didn’t want to leave my first time out. I’m just glad to be back.”

    Really sounds like panic mode. Get real buddy.

  57. The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Vazquez on his 2004 season with the Yankees: “In the second half, my arm didn’t feel as good as it did in the first half,

    ———

    Hey Javy, guess what? You want to have a long career in NY next time answer the question: “I just didn’t get it done”. Jeter has spent 15 years in pinstripes and has NEVER used an injury as an excuse for lack of performance. Take a lesson.

  58. Robbykid December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    I personally like this trade, it give yanks a much better rotation…Not to mention we got to keep Montero, hughes, and joba+didnt have to spend over 100mill dollars….

  59. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    “Do you mean the reverse; that signing Holliday has the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2010 than they did in 2009?”

    Yes, sorry.

  60. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    “Bingo Patrick – do you want a pitcher who is more comfortable in the NL and kinds soils his diaper in the AL – at least mentally its seems he’s already in panic mode..”

    It seems to me the only one in panic mode is you. Talk about an overreaction.

    Vazquez is simply acknowledging that the NL is easier to pitch in than the AL.

  61. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    OPS+ 2009

    Holliday: 139
    Damon: 126
    Melky: 99
    Derosa: 99

    Please no Derosa.

  62. Mark in Tampa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    GB7,

    Andre Dawson only played 7 full seasons in CF. If Puckett and Edmonds were on the list, and then we are looking at 7 seasons of Dawson, I would have to say Bernie and Hunter belong there as well.

    Also, this is not a crack at your age, but what do you think of Earle Combs? 8 straight seasons of 100+ runs, .325 BA, 126 OPS+; he wasn’t in the top 7 or 8 CFs, but he always gets overlooked as a great CF and as a great Yankee.

  63. Cobra December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    “So no one is concerned that vazquez said he was glad to be back in the national league last year? I know it scares me a little….OK alot.”

    Why wouldn’t he? He time in the AL has been mediocrity. His time in the NL (aside from 1 yr in ARZ) has been great. He was 3rd in the CY Young voting this year… he ain’t doing that in the AL East.

  64. NYYROC December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Cashman: “…to BP or AAA.” Wow, that is the first time I’ve heard him mention possibilty of Joba or PH going to AAA. Cashman says a lot of things (maybe to motivate?). I’ll believe PH or Joba in AAA when I see it.

  65. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    “Do you mean the reverse; that signing Holliday has the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2010 than they did in 2009?”

    Yes, sorry.

    10 M more is no big deal considering Pettitte and Javy will come off the books after 2010.

    The only real need in 2011 will be Cliff Lee.

  66. Chris Z December 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    will gardner be able to play left? or will we need to sign damon or another guy to play out there?

  67. jennifer December 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Wow throwing down the gauntlet. Who ever doesn’t win the starting job could wind up in Scranton. OUCH.

  68. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    no.27

    “What has Hughes done to earn it over Joba? Joba has had more success than Hughes both as a starter and a reliever.”

    ————————————

    I agree Joba has been the better starter. I like to see what Joba can do as a full time normal starter next year (180-190ip) before people want him in the bullpen. He had a 3.58 era through 110 ip last year. He started to struggle when the yanks started to skip or shorten his starts.

    So far in there careers Joba has been a much better pitcher than Hughes its not even close.

    Joba as a starter 221.2 ip with a 4.18 era and 8.3 k/9
    Hughes as a starter 141.1 ip with a 5.22 era and 7.1 k/9

  69. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    I can believe that Cashman will send either Joba or Phil to AAA.

    If either of them comes into camp out of shape he’ll probably send them to AAA as punishment.

    Or, it might be good for Phil to go to AAA anyway to get innings if he doesn’t win the #5 spot. He gets his innings and then can come back late in the season and go to the pen once he reaches his innings limits.

    They can recall

  70. Corey December 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    “Hey Javy, guess what? You want to have a long career in NY next time answer the question: “I just didn’t get it done”. Jeter has spent 15 years in pinstripes and has NEVER used an injury as an excuse for lack of performance. Take a lesson.”

    Agree 100%. Between that comment and his comment on he was “happy” to be back in the NL last year…. he sure didn’t get off to a good start today in mending fences. He’s happy to be back, great, but he should have worded his answers better.

  71. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    NYYROC
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    Cashman: “…to BP or AAA.” Wow, that is the first time I’ve heard him mention possibilty of Joba or PH going to AAA. Cashman says a lot of things (maybe to motivate?). I’ll believe PH or Joba in AAA when I see it.

    I tried telling that to SJ.

    If Joba wins the spot, Hughes goes to AAA as a starter to prepare for a rotation spot in 2011.

    If Hughes wins the spot, Joba is the setup guy.

    This is the end of the line for Joba, whereas Phil should be given more time to develop.

    The bullpen can be bolstered by trades involving Yankees prospects or spare parts like Gaudin and Mitre.

  72. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    NYYROC
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    Cashman: “…to BP or AAA.” Wow, that is the first time I’ve heard him mention possibilty of Joba or PH going to AAA. Cashman says a lot of things (maybe to motivate?). I’ll believe PH or Joba in AAA when I see it.

    *********************
    You and me both. I can’t see them sending either one of them back to AAA.

  73. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    I think Javy will show up. I love how everyone is saying that Javy sucks because of 1 postseason when he was injured, but CC before 2009 was a horrible postseason performer and a lot of people said that was a great signing. Though many people said CC wasn’t tough enough mentally to handle the postseason.

    Well CC came back and showed everyone, just like A-rod. What if Javy does the same thing ?

  74. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    seems my post was half eaten….

    They can recall Phil once he reaches his innings limit and put him in the pen for the remainder of the season and the postseason.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    GB7,

    Andre Dawson only played 7 full seasons in CF. If Puckett and Edmonds were on the list, and then we are looking at 7 seasons of Dawson, I would have to say Bernie and Hunter belong there as well.

    Also, this is not a crack at your age, but what do you think of Earle Combs? 8 straight seasons of 100+ runs, .325 BA, 126 OPS+; he wasn’t in the top 7 or 8 CFs, but he always gets overlooked as a great CF and as a great Yankee.

    ————————————————————

    Never saw Combes, but, just going on articles and numbers, I’d say he was one of the best…not sure he’d be a top ten, though.

  76. m December 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    PH or Joba to AAA or bullpen depends on what the bullpen looks like.

    If Joba’s the starter, I’d like Phil to head the Scranton rotation and be ready for a callup.

    If Hughes is the starter, I’d prefer Joba go to the pen. Although, it might be good to have Joba strip down his game in the minors like Halladay did.

  77. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Everyone criticizing Javy’s comments are idiots. Take a chill pill and get a freaking clue.

  78. crawdaddy December 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Whatever Cashman says during this time needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

  79. EA December 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    I’d imagine it is also all contingent on how the bullpen looks coming out of ST.

  80. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    bmarv
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
    Sab

    “I’m glad to be back. I’m excited to be a part of the team again. Everybody that knows me, knows that I didn’t want to leave my first time out. I’m just glad to be back.”

    Really sounds like panic mode. Get real buddy.
    ———————————————————
    bmarv – what would you expect him to say – “I get crushed in the AL and i’ll have to pack alot more underwear next year” of course he’s going to say what he did – but he also said he was happy to be back in the NL – its the subtle things that people say that you have to pay attention to….
    by the way 99 percent of people in the world are sheep and only 1% are shepherds…

  81. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Defensively, Devon White, Paul Blair and Jim Landis were right there with Mantle and Mays, though…of the players that I saw. Al Kaline was a great center fielder too, until he moved to right field.

  82. E-gawa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “Cashman on Hughes and Chamberlain: “It’s going to be a competition for that fifth spot.” Cashman said whoever does not make the rotation will either go to the bullpen or go to Triple-A. The Yankees have not decided who gets bumped.”

    How about that? My Joba to the minors idea isn’t so unrealistic after all. I gotta believe that if he loses the spot, he’s going to the minors and if Phil loses the spot he’s going to the pen.

  83. Rick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Brett,

    You are on the money. Joba is not going to AAA. Hughes will if he loses the competition.

    That is why I bet that unless Hughes completely tanks, he is getting the #5 spot. That way they can put Joba in the pen.

  84. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    raymagnetic
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
    seems my post was half eaten….

    They can recall Phil once he reaches his innings limit and put him in the pen for the remainder of the season and the postseason.

    Best of both worlds. Joba emerges as a starter and begins to realize his upside. Phil develops in AAA as a starter and becomes ready for the 2011 rotation or an emergency call-up. The bullpen gets a late-season jolt when Hughes joins on account of his innings cap. Hughes/Joba both join the postseason bullpen – when high leverage situations in late innings become do-or-die.

  85. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    bmarv – what would you expect him to say – “I get crushed in the AL and i’ll have to pack alot more underwear next year” of course he’s going to say what he did – but he also said he was happy to be back in the NL – its the subtle things that people say that you have to pay attention to….
    by the way 99 percent of people in the world are sheep and only 1% are shepherds…

    Yea and someone out there is wearing a SAB sweater.

  86. Drive 4- 5 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    gomer
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Days like these i miss Pete!

    Sorry,no offense to Pete, but this blog has actually gotten better. I didnt think it was possible, but Sam, Chad & Josh have actually improved the coverage.

  87. Nat December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Cashman is just saying AAA to scare each kid even more… let them know if they don’t come into camp ready to compete… not only will they not be in the rotation, they will not be with the big league club (and get the 400K big league salary).

    Unless one of the kids is god awful in ST or the pen is looking fantastic, they are not going to AAA.

  88. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Ghost
    I don’t think Javy was trying to make an excuse. He didn’t make the excuse at the time, and he had an injury in 2004 during the second half. What do you want him to say ? Say that I wasn’t and that I’m a loser.

  89. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Rick
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
    Brett,

    You are on the money. Joba is not going to AAA. Hughes will if he loses the competition.

    That is why I bet that unless Hughes completely tanks, he is getting the #5 spot. That way they can put Joba in the pen.

    I sense that Joba ain’t goin’ down without a fight though. It will be interesting to watch for sure! Heck, Gardner vs. Melky was a blast!

  90. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    I doubt they put the Joba or Hughes in AAA, but it’ could happen.

    CC and Vasquez are locks for 200+ innings. Pettitte, Burnett, and whoever wins the 5th spot are definitely not. I could see Hughes going to AAA to work on his secondary pitches, pitch a full season as a starter, and be ready to be called up for a possible injury.

    If Joba or Hughes is in the bullpen, they will be the set up guy and will not be available as a starter if an injury happens.

  91. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Sab – Here is a much more informed and genius interpretation of what Javy said, which deals less with the predetermined bias you have against the pitcher and more with his circumstances.

    “Last year I was glad to be back in the NL” = “Last year, I was glad to be aware from that nutcase manager I had in Chicago.”

  92. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Nat
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
    Cashman is just saying AAA to scare each kid even more… let them know if they don’t come into camp ready to compete… not only will they not be in the rotation, they will not be with the big league club (and get the 400K big league salary).

    Unless one of the kids is god awful in ST or the pen is looking fantastic, they are not going to AAA.

    *******************
    Completely agree.

  93. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    jerkface – i don’t comment on people who actually think milton bradley is a great guy who is just misunderstood – thats what they said about charles manson –

    the name really does suit you well though…

  94. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    “The NL East isn’t the same as the Central or the West. They had 3 of the top 6 offenses in the NL and 5 of the top 12.
    He pitched 5 games against the Phillies with 33 IP and a 3.00 ERA.
    He pitched 7.2 innings against Boston while only giving up 1 run.
    That’s 6 starts against 2 of the top 4 offenses in baseball. With a 2.66 ERA and almost 7IP per start”
    —————————————————

    don’t let the facts get in the way. It will ruin people’s argument

  95. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    If Joba is the starter, Hughes is the set-up man. Anyone who thinks differently must have already forgotten the regular season last year.

    If Phil is the starter, Joba is the set-up man. Anyone who thinks differently must have already forgotten the post-season last year.

    Before sending either one to AAA, I would trade him instead.

  96. Laura - Why aren't more people watching FRINGE? December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “I didnt think it was possible, but Sam, Chad & Josh have actually improved the coverage.”

    And they managed to do it w/o taking digs at Alex. Unbiased baseball coverage – what a concept!!

  97. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    I believe Cashman when he says that AAA is an option for Joba or Phil.

    The bullpen can be bolstered by trades involving Yankees prospects or spare parts like Gaudin and Mitre or BOTH.

    Cashman ain’t done!

  98. Gator December 22nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I also don’t think this is going to be an “open” competition per se… I think it is Hughes’ spot to lose. As long as Hughes doesn’t suck, he probably gets it and Joba goes to the pen.

  99. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Jerkface
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    “Last year I was glad to be back in the NL” = “Last year, I was glad to be aware from that nutcase manager I had in Chicago.”

    *******************
    LOL he and Swish will have a lot to talk about.

  100. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    GB7,
    Dawson still had a deadly stick when i saw him. Cant immagine him being nimble though. It was in the mid 80′s when i was paying attention to him.

    So some people were waiting for Javy to say “Im really upset and dissapointed to be heading back to the SCARY a.l. east. I had finally got rid of my nightmares and now i have to relive them all over again”. The man is a competitor. He never wanted to be traded from the beginning.

  101. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    If Joba is the starter, Hughes is the set-up man. Anyone who thinks differently must have already forgotten the regular season last year.

    If Phil is the starter, Joba is the set-up man. Anyone who thinks differently must have already forgotten the post-season last year.

    Before sending either one to AAA, I would trade him instead.

    Both Joba and Phil will be part of the postseason bullpen – so leaving them out of the regular season BP and putting them in AAA doesn’t change that.

    We have our 4 starters – CC, AJ, Andy, Javy

  102. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    “If Joba wins the spot, Hughes goes to AAA as a starter to prepare for a rotation spot in 2011.

    If Hughes wins the spot, Joba is the setup guy.

    This is the end of the line for Joba, whereas Phil should be given more time to develop.”

    The Yankees aren’t going to give up on Joba as a starter because he doesn’t pitch as well as Phil Hughes in May.

    It’s not going to be Joba’s job to lose, but he’s going to have an advantage in the competition because Hughes won’t be able to pitch a full season.

    It can’t be “the end of the line” for a pitcher that has pitched as many good games as Joba has this early in his career.

  103. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Cashman’s way of putting Joba in the pen without it being his decision.

    My money is Hughes win the job (after a Damon pep talk)

    and that is what Cash wants – experiment over

  104. Mark in Tampa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    “Defensively, Devon White, Paul Blair and Jim Landis”

    And Gary Pettis and Dwayne Murphy. Murphy won 6 straight GGs in the 80s, and played as shallow in center as anybody ever has. His defense was so good that he finished 11th in the MVP vote one year with 58 runs, 15HRs, 60 RBIs, and a .251 BA.

  105. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Neither Hughes or Chamberlain are going to the minors. Cashman is saying that now. But he knows that Hughes and Chamberlain can dominant in the bullpen and will help the yanks win games in the bullpen even if it does impact there devolopment as starters.

    The right move in the longterm would be to send the guy that loses the 5th spot to scranton. So he can devolop as starters in the minors and build innings instead of sending one of them into the bullpen.

  106. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    that nutcase manager has a world series ring and had done more with less than any other manager in the last 20 years – do you think the yankees lose in 2003 or 2004 if ozzie was manager…

  107. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    I know for a fact Cashman was seriously looking at Holliday, prior to this move. I suspect Holliday either wasn’t satisfied with the total amount offered (under 100 million) and/or money being deferred

  108. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Other possibilities: Most athletes say incredibly nice and generic things about anywhere that they go or any team they play for, so as to not close down future employment opportunities.

    Baaaaaaaa

  109. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    When cashman says the payroll will be less than last year, to what number is he referring to I wonder?

  110. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    “that nutcase manager has a world series ring and had done more with less than any other manager in the last 20 years – do you think the yankees lose in 2003 or 2004 if ozzie was manager”
    ———————————————–

    no. Ozzie would’ve had enough sense to bunt on Schilling

  111. Yank1 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Remember what our pen looked like before Hughes stabilized it last year…

    I don’t think this will be lost on Cashman when he makes his final decision.

  112. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    no.27
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    “If Joba wins the spot, Hughes goes to AAA as a starter to prepare for a rotation spot in 2011.

    If Hughes wins the spot, Joba is the setup guy.

    This is the end of the line for Joba, whereas Phil should be given more time to develop.”

    The Yankees aren’t going to give up on Joba as a starter because he doesn’t pitch as well as Phil Hughes in May.

    It’s not going to be Joba’s job to lose, but he’s going to have an advantage in the competition because Hughes won’t be able to pitch a full season.

    It can’t be “the end of the line” for a pitcher that has pitched as many good games as Joba has this early in his career.

    You could be right but the option to groom Joba as a closer seems like a short trail to travel.

  113. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    YEOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I remember Javy Vazquez as having problems pitching and being at least a little cavalier about it – you know kind of like a lesser version of Coke or Bruney after they pitched a bad game. While it’s not a move I would have made since he didn’t seem to be cut out for the Bronx, maybe his time away has done good things for him. Here’s hoping so!

    BYE DA MELK. You really helped the team when you were here. God speed with your new team.

    :(

  114. RS December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I don’t think it’s a big deal that Vasquez mentioned his arm injury. I’m pretty sure Pettitte has said countless times that his shoulder bothered him at the end of last year, and the reason he was able to bounce back so well in ’09 was simply better health.

    I don’t think the arm injury is supposed to be an excuse for Javy. He’s just trying to instill confidence by saying his struggles in NY are not going to be a recurring issue.

  115. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    ““The NL East isn’t the same as the Central or the West. They had 3 of the top 6 offenses in the NL and 5 of the top 12.
    He pitched 5 games against the Phillies with 33 IP and a 3.00 ERA.
    He pitched 7.2 innings against Boston while only giving up 1 run.
    That’s 6 starts against 2 of the top 4 offenses in baseball. With a 2.66 ERA and almost 7IP per start”
    —————————————————

    don’t let the facts get in the way. It will ruin people’s argument”

    -yea, I was surprised when I looked up those numbers, but when almost 20% of your starts are against the Phillies and the Red Sox, and you pitch like that, the weak NL argument is hard to swallow.

  116. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    vb03
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    I’m not even sure why the Braves wanted Melky, they have a ton of OF’s, including Nate McLouth and Jordan Schafer.

    ___________________________________________

    The Braves only had 2 OFs with significant ML experience on their 25 man: McClouth and Diaz. Schafer has a .204 BA and .287 SLG in 167 ML ABs.

    They needed a major league OF.

  117. m December 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    oi. the fact that Ozzie won a WS ring doesn’t mean he’s a good manager.

    The fact is that he is a poor manager of player personnel.

    How can you say he’s done more than any other manager when he can’t even get the best out of his own players?

  118. Gary December 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Boy the hounds will be all over this one if it doesn’t work. Personally it makes little sense to me. Who is our left fielder now by the way?

  119. E-gawa December 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    “If Phil is the starter, Joba is the set-up man. Anyone who thinks differently must have already forgotten the post-season last year.”

    6 innings.. really? Will we be using Joba for only 6 innings next season?

  120. NYYROC December 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth @ 4:51, I agree with what you said. It is a good “reason” to put Joba in pen.

  121. Erin December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    Cashman’s way of putting Joba in the pen without it being his decision.

    My money is Hughes win the job (after a Damon pep talk)

    and that is what Cash wants – experiment over

    ***********************
    So now they have to resign Damon so he can give Hughes a pep talk. :)

  122. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    sab, you are delusional, shut up.

  123. Bill December 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I just don’t think the pen is going to be as fantastic as everyone thinks.

    Right now who do we have?

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Marte
    Melancon (still has a lot to prove)

    Aceves?
    Gaudin?
    Edwar?
    Albaladejo?
    Mitre?

    Only 2 guys who you feel comfortable with setting up MO. And Robertson himself had elbow problems towards the end of the year and Marte has had injury problems the past couple of years.

    Don’t see how we send one of the kids to the minors when our pen is anything but a sure thing now.

  124. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    GB7,
    Dawson still had a deadly stick when i saw him. Cant immagine him being nimble though. It was in the mid 80’s when i was paying attention to him.

    So some people were waiting for Javy to say “Im really upset and dissapointed to be heading back to the SCARY a.l. east. I had finally got rid of my nightmares and now i have to relive them all over again”. The man is a competitor. He never wanted to be traded from the beginning.

    ————————————————————

    Dawson’s knees were just as bad as Mantle’s were. One thing they could always do, though was hit and they could run. They could run fast as long as it was in a straight line. What they couldn’t do was cut and they couldn’t stop fast. They coasted to a stop. On grounders, Mantle used to have to run about 100 feet down the first base line and coast to a stop. If he didn’t, his knees buckled. that’s the pain they were in.

  125. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    NYYROC
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    Uncle Ellsworth @ 4:51, I agree with what you said. It is a good “reason” to put Joba in pen.

    not a big deal but I see it as kind of a cop – out on Cash’s part

  126. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    “Boy the hounds will be all over this one if it doesn’t work. Personally it makes little sense to me. Who is our left fielder now by the way?”
    —————————————————–

    who cares. With the way this team is built, it can survive a black hole in the #9 spot (Gardner)

    that said, Cashman will land a good LF’er (at a bargain price) and if he doesn’t i look forward to Gardner hitting double-leadoff in the #9 hole

  127. sab December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    m – i have a question for you..how many times during the year last year (and especially in the playoffs) did you say ozzie may have been right about nick swisher? 10, 15, 50?

    just because he’s a big mouth and doesn’t “protect” his players doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s doing…if you claim he doesn’t get the best out of his players then you can’t possibly say that joe torre is a good manager because he didn’t win for 8 years with the best team in baseball..

    by the way i love nick swisher but what ozzie said about him is right…

  128. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    So now they have to resign Damon so he can give Hughes a pep talk.

    Yes
    Ha Ha Ha

  129. Clint December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Any chance that Boone Logan makes the team as the 2nd lefty?

  130. RS December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Another thing about Javier…if he did have trouble adjusting to NY because of the media, I think this Yankee team is a lot better equipped to help him adjust than the 2004 squad.

    Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte vs. Mussina and Kevin Brown? This team has better chemistry and just an overall better vibe than those mid-2000′s teams. I think Vasquez will feel much more comfortable on the field and in the clubhouse (especially with the media) this time around.

  131. Gary December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Trying to get the conversation going who is our left fielder?

  132. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Bill,

    Can you name another team’s bullpen that is a sure thing?

  133. Vrsce December 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Sorry,no offense to Pete, but this blog has actually gotten better. I didnt think it was possible, but Sam, Chad & Josh have actually improved the coverage.
    ==================================================

    If by better you mean more informed and professional, while being less contentious? Then yes, it has gotten better.

  134. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    “Defensively, Devon White, Paul Blair and Jim Landis”

    And Gary Pettis and Dwayne Murphy. Murphy won 6 straight GGs in the 80s, and played as shallow in center as anybody ever has. His defense was so good that he finished 11th in the MVP vote one year with 58 runs, 15HRs, 60 RBIs, and a .251 BA.

    ————————————————————

    I didn’t see much of either Pettis or Murphy, so I couldn’t judge them.

  135. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Boston’s rotation will continue to be a hit-or-miss joke.

    I saw Javvy’s first start as a Yankee. It was Opening Day against the White Sox. He was very very good. Things started to go a little south after that. I think his attitude doomed him as much as anything.

  136. Banjo December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Tyler Kepner

    Cashman on the outfield: “We’ll continue to look at any remaining pieces, but it’s not going to be a big piece.” 22 minutes ago

    Ledger_Yankees

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

  137. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    I think that the Yankees are a better younger team than last year. Some people need to give Javy a chance especially since CC Sabathia and A-rod came back strong in 2009.

  138. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Gary
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
    Trying to get the conversation going who is our left fielder?

    Right Now?
    Granderson Left
    Gardner Center

    I don’t see it…. stay tuned

  139. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Banjo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    Tyler Kepner

    Cashman on the outfield: “We’ll continue to look at any remaining pieces, but it’s not going to be a big piece.” 22 minutes ago

    Ledger_Yankees

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

    :lol:

  140. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    “Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.””

    AAV payroll 2009 $204,300,000 and change
    AAV payroll 2010 $194,000,000 and change (not including arb on Gaudin/Mitre)

    Interesting. Wouldn’t bring in Damon for LF at $7-8 million x 1? Not sure he would go for it, and it would make payroll less than 2009, but over $200,000,000.

    Looks like $200,000,000 AAV is the number?

    Say Damon at $7-8 million. One of Mitre/Gaudin (other traded) in arb $2-3 million. AAV is $204-205 million. Same as 2009. Not sure they do it.

    Say Holliday at AAV $17 million, arbs at $2-3 million. AAV $214 million? Definitely sure they don’t do it.

    That’s why Cashman said he’s looking for a piece, but not a big piece.

    He also said that payroll will be less than last year. That’s pretty clear, and not tea leaves, barns, or horses. Now if he could “dump” Igawa’s $4 million AAV MLB contract….

  141. Yankee in ND December 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Cash isn’t going to tip his hand. Quotes at this point, are pretty meaningless.

  142. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    “I saw Javvy’s first start as a Yankee. It was Opening Day against the White Sox.”
    ——————————————————

    that opening day game in the Bx, was a gem. I remember either Ozzie or the Whitesox GM, raving about how Javy was unhittable, and able to throw his secondary pitches for strikes in any count

  143. Gary December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Gary
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
    Trying to get the conversation going who is our left fielder?

    Right Now?
    Granderson Left
    Gardner Center

    I don’t see it…. stay tuned

    I agree Gardner is not an everyday player. It goes the same as our 1st baseman playing right field who isn’t a everyday player either. Small piece hugh brian.

  144. Mark in Tampa December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    “This team has better chemistry and just an overall better vibe than those mid-2000’s teams”

    They broke our heart, but the ’04 team did win 101 games and throttled the Twins and Boston. One Mo save, and they would have gone on to sweep St L and join the other great Yankee teams.

  145. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    sab
    December 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
    that nutcase manager has a world series ring and had done more with less than any other manager in the last 20 years – do you think the yankees lose in 2003 or 2004 if ozzie was manager…

    ————————————————————

    It wouldn’t have happened because Clemens and Posada would have strung him up during spring training. Unless George Steinbrenner got to him first.

  146. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Ozzie is a good manager but not a great people person, and not the best at placing his talent on the field. He forced Swisher to lead off and play center: both of which he was uncomfortable doing. He still DID IT, because Swish owns, but when he didn’t do great he got down and Ozzie fumed at him.

  147. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Ok I’ll start the inevitable continuatiuon of the

    GGBG v Melky Wars

    Hoffmann is Better than Gardner!!!
    UNDER THE O’NEILL BANNER!!!!

    discuss

  148. 'My heart beats when they win, and it stops beating when they lose.' December 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    GMAN,

    Well said.

  149. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    What about the disappointment of Swisher, who hit .191 after the All-Star Game?

    It was hard because when we brought him here, a lot of people were excited [that] he would have a great career with the White Sox, but we got to the point that we went through the roster … and we had a right fielder, left fielder, first baseman and DH. It was hard for us to find a place for him.

    Basically the White Sox had no place for Nick, and instead of using him as a rotating player at all of those positions (which he can play) , Guillen stuck him in the worst place possible.

    Way to go, Ozzie.

  150. REZ December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I don’t buy Cashman’s AAA-line.

    When push comes to shove, he will not be able to resist the temptation to put one of them in the pen and lock down the late innings. Especially if Joba is the one who lost the competition considering he seems built for that role.

    Sending down one of our elite arms, who can serve a very useful purpose on the team in the pen, is going to be hard to do.

  151. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    GB7 and Mark in Tampa,
    Being here in Socal and at the time an Angels fan(till i was 11). I can tell you that Pettis was really electric out there roaming center field. I thought he was the best in the league. That could very well be me being bias or young and blind. His batting did stink though. Decences was my favorite player on the team but Mattingly was my favorite player in baseball.

  152. RS December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I have always been an adament supporter of letting Hughes and Chamberlain develop as starters, but maybe it’s time to let one of them settle as a reliever and become the future closer…

    If we assume the Yankees pick up a good FA starter next year (Lee, Beckett, Webb, or maybe even a healthy Sheets) and one of the young kids remains a fixture in the rotation, our starting staff will have 4 solid pitchers set for the next 3+ years.

    On the other hand, Rivera will be gone in 3 years, and I for one would MUCH rather pick up a #5 starter from outside the organization than to have to bring someone in to replace Mo. If Hughes or Joba can be the future closer, I think the Yankees will have better stability in the long run.

  153. AeroFANatic December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    *IF* we don’t acquire a LF, Gardner will be in LF and Granderson in CF. But I doubt Gardner is your opening day LF. Damon, Byrd, DeRosa. Something in the 7-8million range.

  154. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Not a fan of Gardner being handed a full time gig. Cashman will sign a low cost corner OF. Damon and Nady are two options.

  155. EdWhitson December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Question – what makes more sense?

    For Cash to say, sure, I have all the money in the world to spend or to claim there is a budget and his hands are tied ?

    Which one will potentially get us Holliday / Damon / Derosa / anyone at a lower price.

    Even if nobody believes him, there is no reason for Cash to say, “oh yeah, I just got paid and I want to get …….”.

  156. mike December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Vazquez will have a huge season with his contract being up at the end of the 2010 campaign.

  157. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    I would almost bet my house that ggbg will not be starting in LF next year..

  158. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    I hadn’t realized that Bubba Crosby was back on the team until Cashman mentioned left field in his interview.

  159. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    If the yanks wanted too they can platoon Gardner/Hoffmann in left and they will be fine. Gardner did play left when he first got called up. It wont be much of a drop off from Melky and you add more speed in the 9 hole. Some people are making Melky out to be Babe Ruth.

    But Cashman also said that Juan Miranda would be a DH possibility but then he got Johnson. So he will most likely add someone in left and keep Gardner as the 4th outfielder.

  160. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    I’m thinking Damon. How about a creative $6 million plus incentives with a $2-3 million club option for 2011? Keeps AAV under $200,000,000?

  161. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Damon could still come back, especially after he hasn’t exactly been drowning in offers from other teams lately. He will find that Cashman’s terms might still be the best he can get.

  162. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    On Holliday-Inn:

    Remember the concept of a Back-loaded deal for Holliday.

    They could still pay him more than the Cards.

    If the deal is structured properly Cash can still keep his number close.

    Boras/Holliday would have to agree to the back-loaded deal.

    If Matt wants to be a Yank that might be what he would have to do.

    They can use the “Bonus” trick too.

    It aint finished yet.

    Not gonna give up until the fat lady sings.

  163. S.o.S. December 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

    =====

    At first glance i thought he had said Bubba Crosby.

    I swear Cashman has the hold em fold em song on daily from Rogers. He would be the best card player ever.

  164. Tazzmania December 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Gardner was hitting .275 with a .354 OBP before he got hurt

    He is a more than adequate starter

  165. RMEL December 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    If the yanks wanted too they can platoon Gardner/Hoffmann in left and they will be fine. Gardner did play left when he first got called up. It wont be much of a drop off from Melky and you add more speed in the 9 hole. Some people are making Melky out to be Babe Ruth.

    —-

    true…the yankees will not win next year because of LF….if they need someone before the deadline, im sure Cash will get that player

  166. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    How many times does Cashman have to lie to the media for them to stop believing him? He may very well be telling the truth this time but he has never let the media in the loop on what they were really doing before so why would he now be any different.

  167. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    The Mets made a splash this winter with… R.A. Dickey.

    Fail.

  168. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Well, NYY does have a couple of outfielders going to Trenton next season. Watch for Daniel Brewer and Austin Krum. another one is Damon sublett that’s moving from the infield to the outfield. He’s an interesting one to watch. The glove and bat, though is Brewer.

  169. Gary December 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Tazzmania December 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Gardner was hitting .275 with a .354 OBP before he got hurt

    He is a more than adequate starter

    Gardner is a 4th outfielder right now in his career. The Yanks either have to make the move for Holliday or somehow get Damon back.

  170. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Gardner was hitting .275 with a .354 OBP before he got hurt
    He is a more than adequate starter
    ====

    There are some posts which require no comment – they only need be reposted.

    This is one of such posts.

  171. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    This Vazquez thing developed really quickly. What’s the holdup with Nick Johnson?

  172. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    sab,

    I don’t understand your question. Did Ozzie trash Nick after he left? Or while he was there? Either way it doesn’t matter.

    Some things are better said behind closed doors. Publicly ndermining players in a game of failure is not a way to get the best out of them. This is not the NBA, and Ozzie’s no Phil Jackson.

    I had very few issues with Swisher this season. He hit a fair amount of homeruns, that unlike Damon, were not a product of NYS. He played a pretty good RF. His RF defense was better than Damon’s defense. So, I don’t know what your issue with Swisher is. He had one real black hole in his career, and it just so happened to coincide with his tenure with Ozzie.

  173. Betsy -high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Ledger_Yankees

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

    *** Right…..

  174. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    If Gardner wants to win and keep that spot, he’d better learn to chop down on the ball and mostly, learn to bunt for hits. That’s his only chance.

  175. Corey December 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Im gonna miss Melky. I know he wasnt the best player in the world but I just loved the kid. I hope he does well in ATL.

  176. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    vb03
    LOL ! I said the same thing an hour ago. R.A. Dickey ! LOL !

    The Mets are too much.

  177. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    NJ got a paper cut while trying to sign the contract. Won’t be able to write until next week..

  178. Cliff December 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    have not been around in a long time and there is no way this can be true but figured i would put it out there

    http://twitter.com/philliesnation

  179. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Question: If Gardner’s the 4th OF, and he comes in for defense. Where does he go?

  180. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Holliday contract:

    Let’s say it takes 6 x 18.

    10 + 8(bonus)
    13 +3(bonus
    16 + 2(bonus)
    18
    20
    20

    Would something of this sort work ?

    I am not an accountant-type

    SJ would know how to structure for the budget.

  181. Rick December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    There are plenty of outfielders they can get. This was a huge trade for them today. They have a major league power pitcher who will pitch 200 innings next year. This guy is better than Lackey.

  182. Bronx Jeers December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.”

    The opening day payroll for 2009 was 201.5 mil. It probably went several mil higher as they added some depth.

    I have them around 198 – 199 based on AAV for 25 guys including Serge and Gaudin. 1 of them is likely gone.

    Subtract 1-2 mil.

  183. Gator December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Vasquez has all West Coast teams on his No-Trade list. Could explain why teams like the Angels and Dodgers who need good starters didn’t inquire on him.

  184. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    “If Gardner wants to win and keep that spot, he’d better learn to chop down on the ball and mostly, learn to bunt for hits. That’s his only chance”
    ——————————————–
    agreed. He has alot of work to do

  185. V Torch December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    NYY will trade Gaudin and Mitre, free up 3-4 more million million, and go out and get a LF’er.

    When you are on a budget, you do not have the luxury to keep around guys like Gaudin and Mitre, especially when we have McAllister, Aceves, Nova, and perhaps even one of the kids in AAA.

  186. Betsy -high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    I wonder why NJ’s deal is taking so long to be finalized …I hope he didn’t fail The physical

  187. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    “There are some posts which require no comment – they only need be reposted.
    This is one of such posts.”
    ———————————————
    yo boy Melky’s gone

  188. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Lackey is getting paid $17M over the next five years and has pitched 200 innings 0 times in the last 2 years. It does not bode well for the life of the contract.

    Javy is getting paid $8M next season, has an expiring deal that provides flexibility and has pitched 200 innings per season 9 out of the last 10 years. He might be the most durable pitcher in baseball over that span.

  189. crawdaddy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    “How many times does Cashman have to lie to the media for them to stop believing him? He may very well be telling the truth this time but he has never let the media in the loop on what they were really doing before so why would he now be any different.”

    I can’t agree with you more. Cashman is so full of crap when he’s talking to the media during the times he’s in stealth mode.

  190. Bill December 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    People here are really underestimating Hoffman. I see no reason why he can’t win the LF job over Gardner. He is an elite defender, has power, doesn’t strikeout, and mashes lefties.

  191. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    “If Gardner wants to win and keep that spot, he’d better learn to chop down on the ball and mostly, learn to bunt for hits. That’s his only chance”
    ——————————————–
    agreed. He has alot of work to do

    ————————————————————

    I swear…Swisher’s a better bunter than Gardner is.

  192. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Yes, the old holdup on Nick Johnson….

    Perhaps Boras leaked a medical report?

    How about this? KC gets Gardner but MUST take Igawa straight up. Frees up $4 million AAV. Yankees get Damon? Trying to think outside the box here, if they are really serious about payroll.

    Although Cashman is known for being opaque, everything he has said this year has come to pass. What makes anyone think he is less than honest right now?

  193. sar515 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Anyone else find it amusing that on a day when the yanks nab the 4th vote getter in the NL Cy Young…that the Mets get dick-ey???

  194. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    With Javy pushing everyone down the depth chart, this is true:

    V Torch
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    NYY will trade Gaudin and Mitre, free up 3-4 more million million

  195. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    “I swear…Swisher’s a better bunter than Gardner is”
    ————————————————–

    but McCarver said Gardner was the best bunter in the american league. : )

  196. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    The only day Minaya and the Mets make a “splash” by signing R.A. Dickey, the Yankees trade for Vazquez and dominate the headlines yet again. Beautiful.

  197. Nat December 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Cash changes his mind like he changes his sox everyday.

    Do not believe a word he says— this time, I think the AAA line is baloney. Just like his idea that he wanted a rotating DH to rest aging players.

  198. Harold December 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Mark Feinsand
    @Mark_Crandall Vazquez’s three years in Chicago: 38 wins, 4.40 ERA, second in the AL with 627 2/3 IP (Roy Halladay had 691 1/3) 16 minutes ago

    Mark Feinsand
    @Mark_Crandall Oh, and he also led the AL in that three-year span with 597 strikeouts. Back of the rotation? Only on the Yankees. 15 minutes ago

  199. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Damon or Holliday will be a Yankee next year. One of them will cave.

  200. stanzy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    E-gawa, I agree with you. I think it might make the most sense to start Joba off in AAA, so he can keep starting, and keep building innings (and rebuilding his arm strength, if that’s what his problem was, this year). Let Phil start on the big league team and start building up his innings. Then, if Phil stumbles during the season, or when his innings start to pile up, bring Joba up and let Phil finish the season in the pen. Joba obviously needs to work on a few things if he’s going to be a successful starter, so maybe some time in AAA would benefit him. And it seems like it would be best for Phil to continue facing big-league batters.

    All of this is of course contingent on how both do during spring training. If one is obviously struggling, that probably sets the course. But I think it would be awful to start Joba off in the pen. Guess I’d put it this way, in order of preference:

    1) Phil in ML rotation, Joba in AAA (Phil to pen, Joba up later)
    2) Joba in ML rotation, Phil in AAA (Phil called up when needed, Joba to pen if awful)
    3) Joba in ML rotation, Phil in pen
    4) Phil in ML rotation, Joba in pen

  201. crawdaddy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    “Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.”

    The opening day payroll for 2009 was 201.5 mil. It probably went several mil higher as they added some depth.”

    That’s the problem, what payroll number is Cashman talking about being lowered than? Is it the 226M that the Yankees got penalized with the 40% luxury tax with yesterday? It’s funny how he’s keeping that number a secret and he has good reason to do so besides not letting other teams or agents know what it is. Keeping the number unknown allows the Yankees to have a moving payroll cap.

  202. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    PittsburghNYYfan-

    Igawa is not on the 40 man roster and from what I understand the 25man roster is used to calculate AAV.

    Gardner actually hit lefties better last year, even though it’s a small sample size.

    Royals were interested in Gardner. DeJesus salary next year is 4.6M with a club option for 6M for 2011. 13 assists, zero errors. Bats lefty with some power and hits lefties at a .290 clip. Only 29years old.Flexible one year option?

    Just don’t think Damon comes back to the Yankees as the lowest paid starter over 30 years old. His 7M offer was in line with a DH role.

    Might it be Jonny Gomes to share LF with Gardner?

  203. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    or DeJesus

  204. Banks December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    It’s funny…

    Granderson has a conference call one day after the trade was agreed to. Cashman had a press conference that same day actually. And this trade was complicated and involved 8 players getting physicals, yet that was completed in a matter of hours.

    We trade for Vasquez in the morning, and by noon-time, it was official and Cash/Vasquez have their conference calls in the afternoon, a few hours after the trade was completed.

    We agree with Johnson 6 days ago… and nothing since then. What is taking so long? Those other deals were official in a matter of hours after agreeing to them. This has dragged on forever.

  205. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    “I swear…Swisher’s a better bunter than Gardner is”
    ————————————————–

    but McCarver said Gardner was the best bunter in the american league. : )

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, and Joe Buck’s a great announcer.

  206. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    crawdaddy
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
    “Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.”

    The opening day payroll for 2009 was 201.5 mil. It probably went several mil higher as they added some depth.”

    That’s the problem, what payroll number is Cashman talking about being lowered than? Is it the 226M that the Yankees got penalized with the 40% luxury tax with yesterday? It’s funny how he’s keeping that number a secret and he has good reason to do so besides not letting other teams or agents know what it is. Keeping the number unknown allows the Yankees to have a moving payroll cap.

    Excellent observation

  207. UpState December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    The Ghost
    December 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    CB, if the Yankees would have lost any of their playoff series Swisher was first in line as the goat with is .155 BA was he not?
    ===========================
    No.

    Let’s take a quick review of your darling Melky in the Yankees last series of each of the prevoius years :

    2009 – Phillies WS —– .154
    2008 – no post-season
    2007 – Cleveland LDS — .188
    2006 – Detroit LDS —— 0-3

    Well – he IS pretty consistant.

    Can anyone say “drowning well under the Mendoza Line ” ???

    Sorry, Mr. Ghost

  208. Patrick December 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    AAV = average annual value.

    Not the same as payroll.

  209. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Oops. If Gardner’s the 4th OF and he comes in the late innings, presuming one of the corner OF is lifted where does he go?

    Not comfortable with a Gardner/Hoffman platoon, but that would be a pretty good OF.

  210. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    “Oops. If Gardner’s the 4th OF and he comes in the late innings, presuming one of the corner OF is lifted where does he go?”
    ————————————————–

    how would we know? We don’t know who will be in LF

  211. Betsy -high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    I can’t believe people are upset with Javy’s comments – holy cow, talk about trying to wring every last possible meaning out of something. It was a throwaway line – he was just saying that he was happy in Atlanta; I think he made it clear that he didn’t want to leave in the first place. Unbelievable.

  212. crawdaddy December 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    “AAV = average annual value.

    Not the same as payroll.”

    Which is why I have to question which of these numbers are the Yankees marching to in regard to this year versus last season?

  213. Al December 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Gardner does not have the arm to replace Swisher in right…. another huge problem with trading Melky. We have no arms in the OF….

  214. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    vinny-b,

    Let’s assume it’s a bargain basement OF (read: old and slow).

    What I’m trying to get at is would Gardner go to CF and Grande to LF?

  215. Betsy -high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    I don’t see how Damon returns. One, he’d have to crawl back for $7 million….and that’s even assuming the Yanks are interested. Two, he’s hardly an everyday LF anymore – and DH isn’t open for him. Three (the least of all) – where would he hit?

  216. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    As for DeJesus being available.

    The Braves ended up trading a CY candidate for Melky Cabrera.

    Could they not have landed DeJesus?

    Were they ever interested or are the Royals demanding too much in return?

  217. Yazman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

    Superior speed, superior defense, grit and league-average hitting are a great combination for your #9 hitter. I’m hoping Gardie sticks.

  218. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    yanks could resign Xavier Nady to play left. He would be a nice cheap option. Play Gardner until Nady is healthy then make Gardner the 4th outfielder whenever Nady comes back.

  219. Break Dance December 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Hoffman is a scrub…. there is a reason he was a rule 5 guy and a 26 yr old AAA player…

    giving him the LF job is just asking for trouble… he is no good…

  220. Mark December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Don’t think KC has any reason to trade DeJesus

    Also don’t think they would trade him for a rental starter who is making $12 million dollars. They would probably want young talent in return.

  221. Carlo December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Kevin – Let me get this straight;
    Beckett easily wins 20
    Dice K wins 16-18
    Lackey wins 16-18

    I assume Lester, who is probably their best pitcher has to win 15 or so…….so in short, you are saying they get 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters?

    Go look at the history of baseball and tell me how many times a team got 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters. Let me start you off by saying that the 1998 Yankees top 4 starters won 67 games……and that was the best team most of us have ever or will ever see in our lifetimes.

  222. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    “Let’s assume it’s a bargain basement OF (read: old and slow).
    What I’m trying to get at is would Gardner go to CF and Grande to LF?”
    ———————————————-

    I doubt it. Aside from Granderson having those couple defensive lapses last September, he is by all accounts a very good CF’er

  223. dboling December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Bring back Nady very cheap with a very high reward. If he doesnt cut it make a trade at about the all star break. If you dont make a trade move granderson to left and put Gardner in center. The defense would be alot better. Im more worried about the bullpen. Alot of injury phone players with very key roles.

  224. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Mark
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Don’t think KC has any reason to trade DeJesus

    Also don’t think they would trade him for a rental starter who is making $12 million dollars. They would probably want young talent in return.

    I’m not suggesting they were a fit for the players mentioned. I know the Royals are poor.

    I’m just wondering if the asking price on DeJesus led the Braves to Melky.

  225. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Yankee Trader

    I stand corrected. Since Igawa was outrighted to SWB and cleared waivers, his AAV does not count. Therefore the Yankees AAV right now stands at $190,000,000 without arb to Mitre and Gaudin (simply take the Cot’s 2010 spreadsheet and adjust payroll for AAV).

    2009 Final AAV was $204,300,000.

    They could sign Damon or even Holliday and be near the 2009 figure. Hmmmm. it depends how firm the $200,000,000 AAV figure is…

  226. Carlo December 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Seven –

    Nady, off a 2nd tommy john surgery, with limited speed to begin with, is not the answer in left field.

  227. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Therefore the Yankees AAV right now stands at $190,000,000

    2009 Final AAV was $204,300,000.

    Sounds like they have 14 million bucks to play with give or take a couple mil.

  228. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Joel Sherman (never liked his ideas much, but he has scooped 2 big moves this winter) has a lot to say about Gardner. Almost acting like he’s a legit major leaguer.

    He also talks about Nady…

  229. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    “Hoffman is a scrub…. there is a reason he was a rule 5 guy and a 26 yr old AAA player…”
    ———————————————-

    well when did you see him play? The Dodgers are loaded at OF in their organization hence why he was blocked and they didn’t protect him. But you probably already knew this too

    Santana is no good either. Cuz he was Rule 5

  230. G. Love December 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I believe Cashman is working under 226 million dollar payroll when he counts payroll for last year.

    That means a lot of moves are still in play.

    He’s being cryptic about the number only because it hurts/hinders potential negotiations.

    The Yankees are using this mystery payroll number as some kind of hammer in dealings with players.

    I don’t know if that means Holliday is coming, but if 226 was last years payroll and we sign Holliday and are at 216 million or so, that’s a 10 million dollar reduction in payroll which is roughly 5%.

    In any business, if you go and tell your boss you can get close to the same results and save him 5% from last year, you have a very happy boss.

  231. Pauliecanes December 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Great trade. This time around will be different. Javy was coounted on in 04 as being a number one. This time around no pressure and he has to be a #3 or 4. He will have a great year. His first half in 04 was great, but not saying his arm hurt was bad news and you learn from your mistakes. He will be a vital cog in the pitching machine. Nice rotation. The Sox sign Lackey we go out and grab Javy….Cash is the man. Three deals that should give him the Exec of the Year!! CC, AJ, Dandy Andy and Javy is a top pitching rotation in the major. A number 4 starter who gets you 16 wins and over 200 k’s is a blessing. Welcome back Javy!!

  232. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    I’m putting my money on DeRosa playing LF for the Yankees this season

  233. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    G. Love
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
    I believe Cashman is working under 226 million dollar payroll when he counts payroll for last year.

    That means a lot of moves are still in play.

    He’s being cryptic about the number only because it hurts/hinders potential negotiations.

    The Yankees are using this mystery payroll number as some kind of hammer in dealings with players.

    I don’t know if that means Holliday is coming, but if 226 was last years payroll and we sign Holliday and are at 216 million or so, that’s a 10 million dollar reduction in payroll which is roughly 5%.

    In any business, if you go and tell your boss you can get close to the same results and save him 5% from last year, you have a very happy boss.

    Excellent insight!

  234. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Crawdaddy

    They use AAV. SJ mentioned it a few days ago and Joel Sherman mentioned it today in his blog.

    What their ceiling is I’m sure is a closely guarded Yankee state secret. Puts the leverage and wonder into Boras, who’s dealing from weakness for the first time in quite a while. Kind of refreshing to watch, if you ask me.

    Bay to Angels, Holliday to NY (Mets), Damon to Yankees.

  235. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    ———————————————-

    well when did you see him play? The Dodgers are loaded at OF in their organization hence why he was blocked and they didn’t protect him. But you probably already knew this too

    Santana is no good either. Cuz he was Rule 5

    ————————————

    Shane Victorino was also a rule 5 player.

  236. Carlo December 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    A lot of you guys seem focused on getting a left fielder than can hit, or better said, is a hitter before a defender, (Nady, Bay, Holliday). The current lineup is going to score plenty of runs…..i dont care if I play left field…..we are going to score runs…..likely more than anyone else in baseball. our left fielder should be a good left fielder….if he can handle the bat, great…..this is why I am fine with Gardner in left (or center and granderson in left). Would I prefer an upgrade, sure…..but it isnt needed.

  237. Tank December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Brett,

    It is almost a given they will get rid of Mitre/Gaudin to free up a few extra mil.

    When you are on a budget, every million matters.

  238. Matt December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    1. This deal certainly put a crimp in the style of Scott Boras. Cashman is clearly in the driver’s seat with a choice of 3-4 free agent leftfielders if Hal Steinbrenner has truly put a clamp on the payroll.

    2. The only remaining teammates from Javy Vasquez’s 1st tour with the Yankees in 2004 are Mariano, Jorge, The Captain, and A-Rod. The chemistry is completely different along with a new manager and entirely changed coaching staff.

  239. The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Upstate, way to ignore Melky’s .391 average in the ALCS. Say goodbye to what’s left of your Lohud credibilty…

  240. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    “Shane Victorino was also a rule 5 player”
    ———————————————

    yeah. He sucks too

  241. Bronx Jeers December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Cashman: “Brett Gardner is now in a position to be an every day player for us.”

    Hey Cash, Bubba Crosby’s on line 2.

    And I like Brett as much as most of us but I’m just not sure they can have a guy who can’t really drive in runs as the everyday LFer.

  242. Christina25 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Where did people come up with 226 million payroll figure to spend on players? That amount includes the luxury tax they had to pay.

  243. The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    yanks could resign Xavier Nady to play left. He would be a nice cheap option.

    ———

    That will certainly take care of April

  244. Antones December 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Gaudin is redundant.

    You don’t need Gaudin, Aceves, McAllister, Nova, plus potentially Hughes/Joba should Cashman send one of them to AAA, to fill the emergency started spot. Especially when one of those guys costs 3 million more than the rest.

    We have plenty of depth. Gaudin’s are a dime a dozen. Not worth the 3 million or so he will command in arbitration when we can put that money towards a better left fielder.

  245. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Tank
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    Brett,

    It is almost a given they will get rid of Mitre/Gaudin to free up a few extra mil.

    When you are on a budget, every million matters.

    I agree. You can trade BOTH prospects with either or both Mitre/Gaudin in order to bolster the bullpen.

    Both Mitre and Gaudin will not be on the books – not with a 200 IP guy added today and depth in the form of Hughes or Joba + Aceves, McAllister and Nova.

  246. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    G Love

    The $226 million counted benefits, which it looks like are about 10-11% of payroll. Have to factor that in.

    Right now they have about $14 million in AAV to play with.

  247. Pauliecanes December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Vinny D love the Hoffman reply. You are right. He was put on waivers in the middle of the year last year and the Dodgers pulled him back b/c almost every major league team put a claim in for him! Yea he is a scrub…some people have no clue. Hoffman is the reason Melky was traded and no more “The Milk Man” play by play for Sterling!! Than God!!

  248. dboling December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    I know that Tex is one of the best defensive first basemen in baseball but what about moving him to right putting johnson at first then trading swisher for adam dunn. Adam dunn at dh would tare up yankee stadium. With this line up having nady in left wouldnt matter because we would score so many runs

  249. G. Love December 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    The Yankee payroll last year before luxury taxes was 226.2 million dollars.

    Go read any article on the luxury tax bill and you’ll confirm that figure.

    By reading between the lines, any payroll lower than 226.2 million dollars is less than 2009.

    He could spend 225 million and still be telling the truth.

  250. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    G Love

    The $226 million counted benefits, which it looks like are about 10-11% of payroll. Have to factor that in.

    Right now they have about $14 million in AAV to play with.

    14 million in AAV give or take a couple million.

  251. Jose December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Have feeling that it is going to be a Happy “Holliday” season for Yankees fans this year.

  252. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Christina

    $226 million was prior to the lux tax. They had to pay 40% of $226-168 million = 40% of $58 million = $26 million on top of that.

  253. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Carlo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Kevin – Let me get this straight;
    Beckett easily wins 20
    Dice K wins 16-18
    Lackey wins 16-18

    I assume Lester, who is probably their best pitcher has to win 15 or so…….so in short, you are saying they get 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters?

    Go look at the history of baseball and tell me how many times a team got 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters. Let me start you off by saying that the 1998 Yankees top 4 starters won 67 games……and that was the best team most of us have ever or will ever see in our lifetimes.

    ————————————————————

    The ’68 Tigers and the ’69 thru ’63 Orioles. The ’71 Orioles had 3 pitchers win 20 games and 1 with 21 wins.

  254. Bret the Hitman December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    G. Love
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    The Yankee payroll last year before luxury taxes was 226.2 million dollars.

    Go read any article on the luxury tax bill and you’ll confirm that figure.

    By reading between the lines, any payroll lower than 226.2 million dollars is less than 2009.

    He could spend 225 million and still be telling the truth.

    Point for G. Love.

    SWOOSH.

  255. m December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Gaudin will get a nice haul. Can Cash pull off a Gaudin for A-Gonz trade? ;)

  256. petea December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Winn–Byrd–DeRosa–JG prefers either of the last two–but they won’t call Damon.

  257. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    G Love

    Give or take a couple million, yes.

  258. JD December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    IMO in the competition of Hughes and Joba it goes down like this. If Hughes wins it Joba goes to the pen(maybe for good) but if Joba wins it then Hughes goes to AAA. They stay the course of Hughes as a starter and he adds rotation depth while maybe like others have stated comes up when he hits his innings limit and goes to the pen.

  259. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    “Vinny love the Hoffman reply. You are right. He was put on waivers in the middle of the year last year and the Dodgers pulled him back b/c almost every major league team put a claim in for him! Yea he is a scrub…some people have no clue. Hoffman is the reason Melky was traded and no more “The Milk Man” play by play for Sterling!! Than God!”
    —————————————————
    lol. Thank you, paulie

  260. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Actually, their lux tax was about $23.4 million.

  261. G. Love December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Give Omar a call and offer him Gaudin and Mitre.

    Considering what he’s signing on the free agent scrapheap, those 2 would be akin to them getting Seaver and Koufax.

  262. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    “the fact that Ozzie won a WS ring doesn’t mean he’s a good manager.

    The fact is that he is a poor manager of player personnel.

    How can you say he’s done more than any other manager when he can’t even get the best out of his own players?”

    One might say that winning a WS is getting the best out of his players.

  263. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Not sure I would get so excited about Hoffman. They may have pulled him back to use for trade bait. Who knows their reasons? Clearly they left him available for rule 5…

  264. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    I for one would like to see what Gardy could do with 400 abs in the 9 hole….

    his D in LF would be gg caliber imo and last year in 248 abs
    he hit.270/48runs/26sbs/6triples

    if in 450abs he hits .280/.360obp/90+runs/50sbs/12-15triples in the 9 hole I’d take that

  265. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    “There are some posts which require no comment – they only need be reposted.
    This is one of such posts.”
    ———————————————
    yo boy Melky’s gone
    =====

    yo, vin…???

    How does Melky being gone help BG catch up with a major-league FB?

  266. Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    “I believe Cashman is working under 226 million dollar payroll when he counts payroll for last year”

    The $226M included the entire 40 man plus bennies (and in their case, plus Igawa). If you counted that now, they are pushing $215M.

  267. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Damon for LF at $9 million x 1-2 (he was willing to take $10 million x 2) brings them in right below $200 million AAV.

    Has the ship sailed for Johnny? Has he “Juiced” his last one?

  268. m December 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    raymagnetic,

    Of course he was a good manager that year, but considering the poor state of the AL Central since then I think he’s fallen very short.

    Perhaps Laura can share some thoughts on what people in Chicago think about Ozzie.

  269. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    champ809
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
    I for one would like to see what Gardy could do with 400 abs in the 9 hole….
    his D in LF would be gg caliber imo and last year in 248 abs
    he hit.270/48runs/26sbs/6triples
    if in 450abs he hits .280/.360obp/90+runs/50sbs/12-15triples in the 9 hole I’d take that
    =====

    If Brett Gardner could manage that in 450 ABs, with his speed, no one would ever question his presence in the lineup again, and you could even make a case for him hitting leadoff.

    But that is not going to happen. However, let’s put in a disclaimer for the helluvit:

    miracles do happen every day :D.

  270. Counts December 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    “How does Melky being gone help BG catch up with a major-league FB?”

    Trust me… Cash is going to get a legit LF’er. He knows how awful Gardner is and can’t hit ML pitching. He isin’t even a good pinch runner because he has no instincts. He got picked off in back to back games in the playoffs and Girardi stopped using him.

    Freddy Guzman is a better pinch runner than Gardner, he always takes off and is aggressive and reads pitchers better than Gardner.

    Simply put, Gardner will be a non-factor us next year. Cashman is smart enough to know this and get someone good.

  271. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Frank

    Igawa does not count for AAV, since he’s off the 40 man. The lux tax uses the 40 man players for the time they are on the 25 man ML roster during the year, with guaranteed contracts counting as AAV per year for the life of the contract.

  272. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    petea
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
    Winn–Byrd–DeRosa–JG prefers either of the last two–but they won’t call Damon.

    ____________________________

    Thanks, you bring the wheat amidst a lot of chaff.

    I’ll take Byrd among those choices. Too bad they won’t go back to Damon.

  273. The Phranchise December 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Gardner isn’t really a dropoff from Melky, less power, more speed and at the back end of the lineup he can create length. Defensively Granderson and him will cover some ground. Like I said the other day though, don’t be surprised to see Dye playing RF. Lots of people hate him, but he will fit the budget for the year. You can plug him into the 5 hole to protect Arod. He has an arm in RF. And would allow them to put Gardner back on the bench. Swisher in LF, Granderson in CF and Dye in RF. There is just no way that they will spend the money on Holliday or Bay and probably at best they would want Johny D for just one season.

  274. Christina25 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    That is a crazy amount I thought that it was the total with the luxury tax.

  275. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    I love this fat guy Carlin on Louth Mouths on SNY. He thinks that Cahsman is a horrible GM and he doesn’t know how to get good pitching because he got Javy Vasquez for nothing. The guy never calls out Omar Minaya a guy who has never won anything in his life and the worst GM in baseball.

    If Epstein pulled this trade off he would be kissing his butt.

  276. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    “I’ve been thinking that getting Matt Holliday is nothing but a fan fantasy, and I still think that since signing him would, by my reckoning, have the Yanks spending about $10MM more in 2009 than they did in 2010.”

    Wave,

    I don’t look at this as a matter of fantasy or practicality. It’s a matter of probability.

    There’s some probability of where Holliday will sign.

    Is it high for the yanks right now? No. It’s not. Prior to today I thought that probability was 20-30%. Now I think it’s 5%.

    But here’s the rub – most of the discussion has tried to place that probability as definitely zero.

    We’ve heard this again and again – reporters just stating two related factors on the yankees: 1. Will not sign Holliday; and as result 2. Effectively have NO interest in Holliday because it is just known that the budget takes precedence.

    And I think that is just misguided as well. It is one thing to say that it is unlikely they will sign Holliday. It is another to say they simply have no interest and aren’t even exploring a deal in any way.

    That line of thinking suggests that in fact the Yankees are entirely inelastic on price for Holliday. It suggests that even though going into the winter it was assumed that Holliday would likely get $150M + it is irrelevant that he now looks to sign for 85M or so.

    I just don’t buy that at all. I don’t buy the idea that they are that inelastic to price for that player.

    That doesn’t mean they will sign him – but that doesn’t mean it is some kind of “fantasy” as so many in the media have stated.

    Low probability is not the same as “fantasy” because fantasy or the definitive mind set of “not going to happen” makes assumptions that the team is completely inelastic to price and that the true budget is definitely set and transparently known.

  277. Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    “Igawa does not count for AAV, since he’s off the 40 man”

    Pretty certain that dead money counts, PYF. Julio Lugo isn’t in the Boston organization and his $9M counts against their number. He’s not on the 40 man, but his is still a major league contract that counts for lux tax purposes.

  278. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    “yo, vin…???
    How does Melky being gone help BG catch up with a major-league FB?”
    —————————————–
    : ) it doesn’t. Gardner better look up Mickey Rivers, and define the skill of bunting

  279. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I missed most of the conversation, but Tom Verducci on MLB said the Yanks are VERY close to getting a LF and it’s not Damon

  280. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Not sure of the value of both Gaudin and Mitre at this point, especially with Javy V back. They only serve as temptation to Girardi and Eiland. I’d keep one (Gaudin) and DFA/trade the other.

  281. Rick December 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Crasnick was on SportsCenter and said Boston’s rotation is still better.

    I turned the TV off – I couldn’t listen to anymore. Boston’s rotation is not better, not even close, but of course, ESPN would never admit that.

  282. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Very close to a LF not Damon????? If its Holliday I will eat my ….

    Then I can truly say the Sox should mail it in. Sure, anything can happen, but that’s a 105 win team.

  283. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Harold Reynolds said (and Tom agreed) that – boy, when Cash targets someone, he just goes out and aggressively pursues him

  284. Mark December 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Dodgers reaction to losing Hoffman from last week…

    One Dodger executive said, “I’m glad it is them because we thought we would lose him to a bad team.” Translation: The Dodgers do not think a team as good as the Yankees will be able to keep Hoffmann on their 25-man roster all year, and he will have to be offered back to Los Angeles at some point. So, yes, the Dodgers do want to put Hoffmann back in their system.

    A second Dodger executive said, “Unless they can fix his swing, he will not be able to stick (with the Yankees).”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....yqckYtP8OK

  285. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    I missed most of the conversation, but Tom Verducci on MLB said the Yanks are VERY close to getting a LF and it’s not Damon
    ___________________________________

    That would be consistent with what petea just posted and he seems to know what’s going on. Hope it’s Byrd rather than DeRosa or (even worse) Winn.

  286. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    “Crasnick was on SportsCenter and said Boston’s rotation is still better”
    —————————————-
    i would give the edge to Boston, until Joba/Phil prove they can pitch as a starter. And without going to the DL

  287. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Where is Lost in Holliday In?

    I may be mistaken? Cash lied boldly to the media? No coal for Xmas?

    Or is it X for Xmas, or Mark de la Rosa?

  288. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
    As for DeJesus being available.

    The Braves ended up trading a CY candidate for Melky Cabrera.

    Could they not have landed DeJesus?

    Were they ever interested or are the Royals demanding too much in return?
    ************************************************************

    the Braves needed to trade a pitcher and clear payroll…getting Melky made more sense for them than DeJesus as he’s a FA after next year and Melky is younger,more flexible(RF,CF,LF),comparable bat and cost controlled for 3more years.
    The Royals wouldn’t have been a match cuz they can’t take on a 12 mil contract.
    The Braves did real good in this deal as Vizcaino is a stud and will be ready in 3yrs when Lowe is gone and is right now top3-5prospect in their system and Dunn will be in their bullpen right now. With their track record developing pitching I’m sure they feel they can cut his walks down and Wagner will help him some and they will have they best staff in the NL 1-12.

  289. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Why not?

    Gaudin probably has a better future than Buchholz, and is probably as young if not younger.

  290. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    I think they misunderstood what Cashman was saying. Cashman was saying they are close to announcing that they signed a bat. Cashman was talking about Nick Johnson and Harold and Tom were thinking it was going to be a left fielder.

  291. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    “yo, vin…???
    How does Melky being gone help BG catch up with a major-league FB?”
    —————————————–
    : ) it doesn’t. Gardner better look up Mickey Rivers, and define the skill of bunting
    ======

    I’m all for it, bro. I’ve been saying so myself for a while here, now.

    And maybe Mickey can teach BG how to play the horses, just in case the major-league career doesn’t pan out.

  292. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    - Braves GM Frank Wren told reporters that Melky Cabrera is a nice fit, but he’s still looking for offense.

    :) I’ll bet he is…

  293. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    CR9
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    Why not?

    Gaudin probably has a better future than Buchholz, and is probably as young if not younger.

    ————————————————————

    You’re living proof that stupidity never rests.

  294. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    timo,

    BTW, loved your Polonius :D.

  295. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “And maybe Mickey can teach BG how to play the horses, just in case the major-league career doesn’t pan out”
    ————————————————–
    touche’

  296. 57' Yankee December 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Melky was a pretty darn good Yankee ! This almost guarantees Gardner on team as 4th OF’er and p-runner.
    Logan may not make team in spring, but Dunn may not have either, as he has control problems up to this point. The young pitcher the Yanks gave up may have a chance in future.
    Derosa would be a good pick and team player and clutch type player. Forget Holliday, he’s proved nothing in A.L. Gurantee he’s a juicer and Bay has proven he can produce in A. L. If they wanna pay big for L.F. then it’s Bay.

    Vasquez had become better than he was. Hope it wasn’t the pressure of N.Y. and was arm problem as he stated. He’s happy to be back so….. sounds good. Hughes will get shot as SP. Joba better put his “big boy” pants on and get his mind set for pen or Joba will “job” in AAA !

  297. m December 22nd, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    I wouldn’t take offense at those who say that Boston’s rotation is better. It’s all relative, it’s who stays the healthiest.

    And some picked the Yankees to finish 3rd in the East. Chew on that a bit, and you’ll just laugh when you hear this kind of stuff.

  298. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    I like Gaudin a lot – he was a very useful piece. I see no reason to get rid of him. Those minor league names are just names – how do you know they can get anyone out? I like having an extra arm in the pen – plus, I’m not in love with Aceves anymore.

  299. CB December 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    “Crasnick was on SportsCenter and said Boston’s rotation is still better.”

    He said the same thing last year.

    Last year Boston had like 18 aces and the greatest bull pen in history going into the season despite the fact that the yankees rotation projected to be much better.

    It doesn’t matter what’s being said.

    Might the Red Sox rotation be better? Sure. But if it is it is only marginally so.

    And at the same time the yankees offense is much, much better than the sox.

    So if the Red Sox rotation isn’t an inordinantly better than the yanks it’s a huge loss and they in fact aren’t getting what they need from their rotation given their strategy of winning via run prevention.

  300. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Joba does have very few AAA innings. Maybe he does need some more.

  301. Aardvark December 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    “Gaudin probably has a better future than Buchholz, and is probably as young if not younger.”

    Buchholz is an elite prospect that can be a #2 starter on a good team. A great changeup and throws in the mid 90s. He can be a centerpiece for a deal like Gonzalez.

    Gaudin? A long man/#5 starter who has been released by 4 different orginizations in 7 years (5 if we decide to get rid of him).

  302. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
    “And maybe Mickey can teach BG how to play the horses, just in case the major-league career doesn’t pan out”
    ————————————————–
    touche’
    =====

    Hey vin, they might have just kept Melk around to teach Grit how to bunt :D

  303. Bronx Jeers December 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    I think some of you guys are leaving the door open for another big move with some creative accounting and I sort of object as it just leads to more & more outlandish speculation.

    The fact is that the payroll for the 25 man based on AAV is close to 200 mil. Maybe it’s at 195.

    There is no way Cash is adding another 14-15 mil to that.

    That would make the payroll the highest its ever been.

  304. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Cashman on MLB TV-

    Was asked how he was able to keep the trade under the radar, and he said he wasn’t. Melky’s family knew in the Dominican, before Cash had a chance to tell him. Media thru blogs,internet and tweeting gets the info out so fast.

    Doesn’t sound like Damon is coming back.

    Was asked who might be on radar for LF and he said that he’d let you guys dot the i’s and cross the t’s on that.

    Chad and Sam both said they thought the payroll currently was at 195 million.

    For those of you who are complaining about this trade, we didn’t get stuck with Lowe, nor did we give up Swisher. The braves did not fill their need for a power right handed hitter for OF or 1st!

  305. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Last year Boston had like 18 aces and the greatest bull pen in history going into the season despite the fact that the yankees rotation projected to be much better.
    =====

    Um, lookit…Mike Francesa said Boston have a “ton of power arms” in their system.

    If he said it, I’m believing it.

  306. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    If Brett Gardner could manage that in 450 ABs, with his speed, no one would ever question his presence in the lineup again, and you could even make a case for him hitting leadoff.

    But that is not going to happen. However, let’s put in a disclaimer for the helluvit:
    ********************************************************

    but all we are doing in that example is doubling his production from last years 248 abs…

    i think he may have learned something from last year and may be an improved player…alo keep in mind after he got his second oppurtunity last year he had six week run there until he got hurt on the mauer play where he hit like .290/.385obp and looked like a Chone Figgins type player. There are quite a few GM’s around the league that think that he could in fact be that type of weapon as a leadoff hitter.

  307. Carlo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Carlo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Kevin – Let me get this straight;
    Beckett easily wins 20
    Dice K wins 16-18
    Lackey wins 16-18

    I assume Lester, who is probably their best pitcher has to win 15 or so…….so in short, you are saying they get 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters?

    Go look at the history of baseball and tell me how many times a team got 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters. Let me start you off by saying that the 1998 Yankees top 4 starters won 67 games……and that was the best team most of us have ever or will ever see in our lifetimes.

    ————————————————————

    The ‘68 Tigers and the ‘69 thru ‘63 Orioles. The ‘71 Orioles had 3 pitchers win 20 games and 1 with 21 wins.
    ——————

    Well done….i didnt feel the need to go back 40 years to find the answers since baseball was a much different game then with respect to starters and relievers.

  308. Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Gaudin is NOT worth the 3 million he is going to get… not even close. If you are on a budget, those are not players you keep around when you have 4-5 comparable pitchers who are making 400K.

    Aceves could probably produce just as well or better than Gaudin at a fraction of the cost. The days are over where we pay middling pitchers 3 million to be “depth”.

  309. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    “is an elite prospect that can be a #2 starter on a good team. A great changeup and throws in the mid 90s. He can be a centerpiece for a deal like Gonzalez.”

    Possibly if the surrounding pieces are Ellsbury, Bard, and a choice of either Kelley or Westmoreland.

  310. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    I’m loving some of the suggestions here. LOL.

    Anyway, I’m not thrilled at all with DeRosa. Unless he drops his asking price to $4 million for 1 year. The thing about him is that he can play the OF as well as the IF. That’s important only because right now we only have Pena penciled in as infield utility, who can play 3B and SS. Swisher can play 1B though.

    Really, I have no idea how good or not Hoffmann is. Could he be the 4th OF? Sure, but I honestly haven’t seen him play, so I’ll reserve judgement for my eyes only in ST.

    LF options remain DeJesus via trade, or Marlon Byrd, Xavier Nady and Johnny Damon via FA. Byrd is actually growing on me, and maybe he’d accept a 1 yr contract.

  311. C December 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    http://twitter.com/philliesnat.....6942724142

    The Yankees have inquired about Cliff Lee, trade w/ Mariners.

  312. C December 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    http://twitter.com/philliesnat.....6942724142

    The Yankees have inquired about Cliff Lee, trade w/ Mariners.

  313. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    timo,

    BTW, loved your Polonius .

    _____________________________

    Thank you very much Bodhi; seemed fitting. Appreciate your posts and command of the language.

  314. t-rock December 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Gaudin and Mitre make 0 financial sense to keep around… especially when we need a left fielder. Any extra $$$ you can allot towards that is helpful.

  315. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    That’s my comfort?? That we didn’t get stuck with Lowe??

    Right, so Phil Esposito isn’t running the Yankees, thank goodness.

    (He once traded Reijo Ruotsalainen for Don Jackson).

    My comfort is that we still have Hughes, Joba and Montero under the hood.

    If Javy goes 14-9, I’m not going to hail Cashman as a genius.

  316. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    GreenBeret7
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    CR9
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    Why not?

    Gaudin probably has a better future than Buchholz, and is probably as young if not younger.

    ————————————————————

    You’re living proof that stupidity never rests.

    ______

    What is wrong with you? No, I’m not talking about your health. (Despite your rude words, I hope you’re doing well and are better soon)

    Just looking at ERA, Gaudin has a career 4.50 ERA in 75 starts and 216 appearances, while Buchholz has a 4.91 ERA in 34 starts and 36 appearances.

    Gaudin is only about 1 year and 4 months older than Buchholz.

    They both also have similar K/BB ratios.

    So for me to say that Gaudin probably has a brighter future than Buchholz is far from stupid.

  317. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Yankee Trader

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Put this together with what Cash said on MLB, you’ve got to think he’s going for Holliday.

    If so, what a beast.

  318. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    “For those of you who are complaining about this trade, we didn’t get stuck with Lowe, nor did we give up Swisher. The braves did not fill their need for a power right handed hitter for OF or 1st!”
    ————————————————
    true.

    note: if Cashman didn’t value team chemistry, i believe he would have designated Swisher to atlanta, and then signed Holliday

  319. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    I for one love that Cashman – even if he doesn’t mean it – is threatening Joba with AAA. Last year Pete mentioned several times he thought they should send Joba down because clearly Joba felt it would never happen and had no reason to apply himself. Recall that “several Yankees” (see: Jeter, Derek) ended up having to have a “chat” with Joba about his “attitude,” when Joba kept playing down his horrendous pitching.

    IMO, the biggest difference between Joba and Phil is that you never, ever doubt that Phil is giving his all, every pitch. Joba sometimes doesn’t seem to get it. Again IMO, if Joba thinks he might end up in AAA if he doesn’t show up in shape and bring it, that’s the only way he gets motivated.

  320. 34 Score December 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Cabrera’s departure leaves a hole in left that seems to be a fit for Granderson if Gardner plays in center.

    “Left field is an evolving situation,” Cashman said. “Stay tuned.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....the_o.html

  321. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    I don’t get it – what’s the delay with Kevin Towers? Is he taking a physical, too?

  322. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Carlo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    Carlo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Kevin – Let me get this straight;
    Beckett easily wins 20
    Dice K wins 16-18
    Lackey wins 16-18

    I assume Lester, who is probably their best pitcher has to win 15 or so…….so in short, you are saying they get 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters?

    Go look at the history of baseball and tell me how many times a team got 67-71 wins out of their top 4 starters. Let me start you off by saying that the 1998 Yankees top 4 starters won 67 games……and that was the best team most of us have ever or will ever see in our lifetimes.

    ————————————————————

    The ‘68 Tigers and the ‘69 thru ‘63 Orioles. The ‘71 Orioles had 3 pitchers win 20 games and 1 with 21 wins.
    ——————

    Well done….i didnt feel the need to go back 40 years to find the answers since baseball was a much different game then with respect to starters and reliev

    ————————————————————

    Will the 1998 Yankees with 67 wins or the 2001 Mariners with 70 wins satisfy you?

  323. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    timo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    timo,
    BTW, loved your Polonius .
    _____________________________
    Thank you very much Bodhi; seemed fitting. Appreciate your posts and command of the language.
    ====

    Thank you, timo, takes one to know one.

    But I’ve a confession to make: I was cribbing my command from William Shakespeare ;).

  324. The Joe Buck Eyebrow Challenge December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    I hate this trade. Javier Blahs-kez is the last person I want to see on the mound at YS.

    I will never forgive his traitorous pitch of 2004. He was in on the take to get the Red Sox to the WS for the TV stations and for MLB, so I think the guy is a real dirtbag.

    And what has happened to our Yankees’ ability to bring in the big names via trade?!?! No Halladay? No Hernandez or Lee? Really?

    Who cares about prospects? Hasn’t Hughes and Jabba taught you all anything? These guys are expendable!

    The Yankees were once a proud franchise that brought in the big names to put the fannies in the seats, as George would say.

    David Cone, Ruben Sierra, Cecil Fielder, Steve Kemp, Phil Niekro, Steve Trout, Ken Phelps, Glenallen Hill, Roger Clemens to name but a few.

    Now we get a former EXPO? Great, so are we now going to have to sing the Marseillaise before the start of the games?

    Thanks alot Cash. Go war a dunce-hat, you coma.

  325. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Who cares?

    You know who else is a great prospect of the Sox?

    Ryan Kalish, Ryan Westmoreland, Stolmy Piementil.

    He’s an elite prospect? Who determines that? You?

    I’d rather let someone who looks deep into stats like CB or SJ tell me that Buchholz is significantly greater than Gaudin.

    It really does not matter anyway; I was making a joke, propping up Gaudin, the way ESPN and baseball organizations prop up every single Red Sox prospect and non prospect like Stolmy Pimentil.

    I really do not believe Gaudin is that good.

    I just do not believe Buchholz is that good.

  326. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    That trade discussion for Cliff Lee also included Carlos Zambrano. Cubs weren’t willing to eat some of his salary and the talks for Lee didn’t get anywhere. They also inquired on Haraang. Cash was looking at various options for a 4th starter at the same time.

  327. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Frank, I disagree; did you see Aceves lose it in the 2nd half? I have little faith in him.

  328. JD December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Matt Holliday . i’s dotted t’s crossed.

  329. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    champ809
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    If Brett Gardner could manage that in 450 ABs, with his speed, no one would ever question his presence in the lineup again, and you could even make a case for him hitting leadoff.
    But that is not going to happen. However, let’s put in a disclaimer for the helluvit:
    ********************************************************
    but all we are doing in that example is doubling his production from last years 248 abs…
    ====

    Yes, champ, I understood that’s what you were doing.

    That sort of thing…usually doesn’t work out…

  330. Clark December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Am I the only one who is more excited about acquiring Boone Logan than I am Vasquez?

  331. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    The Yankees were once a proud franchise that brought in the big names to put the fannies in the seats, as George would say.

    David Cone, Ruben Sierra, Cecil Fielder, Steve Kemp, Phil Niekro, Steve Trout, Ken Phelps, Glenallen Hill, Roger Clemens to name but a few.

    ———————

    Ruben Sierra being a big name. Now I have heard everything.

  332. stuckey December 22nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I’m going counter common assumption here. I think the Yanks prefer Chamberlain in the rotation and Hughes in the pen, particularly if given proper preparation Hughes can fill a Rivera in ’96 two-inning (ish) role.

    The Chamberlain is better suited to be a reliever is just such a superficial conclusion to me. I think Cashman wanted to create the 5th hole competition to light a fire under Chamberlain, more so than Hughes.

  333. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    CR9
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    You’re living proof that stupidity never rests.

    ______

    What is wrong with you? No, I’m not talking about your health. (Despite your rude words, I hope you’re doing well and are better soon)

    Just looking at ERA, Gaudin has a career 4.50 ERA in 75 starts and 216 appearances, while Buchholz has a 4.91 ERA in 34 starts and 36 appearances.

    Gaudin is only about 1 year and 4 months older than Buchholz.

    They both also have similar K/BB ratios.

    So for me to say that Gaudin probably has a brighter future than Buchholz is far from stupid.

    ————————————————————

    You don’t honestly believe that’s the only stupid thing you’ve said, do you? If so, add that to the list.

  334. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    I don’t get the Marlon Byrd love on this board….

    He’s 32 yrs old and other than last yr his walk yr his career high in homers is 10…he’s a rh hitter who away from the ballpark at arlington has little power and would have no power really at the stadium.

    How is it that Melky couldn’t play a corner OF spot but Marlon Byrd can?

  335. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I will never forgive his traitorous pitch of 2004. He was in on the take to get the Red Sox to the WS for the TV stations and for MLB, so I think the guy is a real dirtbag.

    =====

    Dude, say whatever you like but this is not the way to disagree with this trade.

    Javy would have been better off STARTING Game 7 – not being brought into the bases-loaded nightmare to face Damon, who creams him.

    That was the manager’s fault.

    Javy will be useful as the No. 4 starter, although Yankee Stadium is not tailor-made for him.

    The stupidity was giving up Arodys Vizcaino….

  336. Frank December 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Betsy,

    Did you see Gaudin’s first half with SD when he was 5-10 with a 5.01 ERA?

    There is no such thing as a consistent #6-7 starter. They go up and down and usually fizzle out after a while. That’s why they are what they are. There is a reason that Gaudin has been released by 6 times since being drafted.

    Is Gaudin worth almost $3 million more than Aceves? When you are on a “budget”, you need to take that into account. Sure, if money was no object, no harm in keeping him around. But since it is, you need to cut corners somewhere.

    I would rather they put that 3 million towards a better left fielder than a #6-7 starter.

  337. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Carlo:

    While I bow to your superior recall and record keeping, I also think it’s been a while since a club managed to have 1-4 starters like Beckett, Lackey, Lester and (if healthy) Dice-K. I don’t disagree that it’s rare, but my thanks to GreenBeret7 for pointing out that it’s not as rare as you made it out to be.

  338. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    LOL at Cash – I think that’s what he told Kay before Kay went on vacation

  339. Carlo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    GB7 – I had already noted the 1998 yankees. yes, the mariners example satisfies me……i think the point is proved….starting staffs should be expected to and usually do get 67+ wins from their top 4 starters. well done.

    by the way, how many regular season wins did the two teams you mention (one being incremental to what i already stated) win in the regular season? you think boston is poised for a 110 win season next year?

    hahaha – well done though.

  340. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    stuckey
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
    I’m going counter common assumption here. I think the Yanks prefer Chamberlain in the rotation and Hughes in the pen, particularly if given proper preparation Hughes can fill a Rivera in ‘96 two-inning (ish) role.
    The Chamberlain is better suited to be a reliever is just such a superficial conclusion to me. I think Cashman wanted to create the 5th hole competition to light a fire under Chamberlain, more so than Hughes.
    ======

    Either in the pen is a complete misuse of material. It’s a waste.

  341. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    CR9

    Bucholtz is better than Gaudin. There. Can we move on?

  342. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    vb03
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    The Yankees were once a proud franchise that brought in the big names to put the fannies in the seats, as George would say.

    David Cone, Ruben Sierra, Cecil Fielder, Steve Kemp, Phil Niekro, Steve Trout, Ken Phelps, Glenallen Hill, Roger Clemens to name but a few.

    ———————

    Ruben Sierra being a big name. Now I have heard everything.

    ————————————————————

    Is that any worse than having Fielder, Trout, Kemp and Phelps on the list of “greats”?

  343. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    GB

    Just ignore my posts like you probably normally do.

    If you could not see the attempt at humor (acting like ESPN), then that is your problem.

  344. REZ December 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Gaudin is nothing more than a band aid anyway.

    He is a 4-5 inning pitcher who can’t get through lineups twice. He can’t get lefties out. He walks a high number of guys.

    In no world is he worth 3 million dollars. When there is depth available for 400K, you don’t pay almost 8 times that for a below average pitcher.

  345. stuckey December 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Betsy, Aceves had a rough July, rebounded in August and rebounded even further in Sept. And he was fine in limited action the postseason.

    I can understand if the season ended on a negative trend, but it ended on the exact opposite.

  346. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Carlo
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    GB7 – I had already noted the 1998 yankees. yes, the mariners example satisfies me……i think the point is proved….starting staffs should be expected to and usually do get 67+ wins from their top 4 starters. well done.

    by the way, how many regular season wins did the two teams you mention (one being incremental to what i already stated) win in the regular season? you think boston is poised for a 110 win season next year?

    hahaha – well done though.

    ————————————————————

    They should be expected to win 33 games a year each. As long as the rotation is balanced and effective, rge team will win. That’s all that can be expected.

  347. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Pitching, pitching, pitching, and LF.

    Got a DH and CF along the way too.

    Cash stated pretty clearly in the nj.com blurb that speculation about Holliday was “inappropriate.”

    Still could be Damon? I am confused.

  348. champ809 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    It is rare that Orioles staff was sick and also they were still using 4man rotations in the sixtys and guys stayed in games longer and registered more decisions.
    In today’s game it is rare that a team has tha depth to have 4 starters win on average 16 or 17 games. Extremely

  349. seven December 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    I for one love that Cashman – even if he doesn’t mean it – is threatening Joba with AAA. Last year Pete mentioned several times he thought they should send Joba down because clearly Joba felt it would never happen and had no reason to apply himself. Recall that “several Yankees” (see: Jeter, Derek) ended up having to have a “chat” with Joba about his “attitude,” when Joba kept playing down his horrendous pitching.

    IMO, the biggest difference between Joba and Phil is that you never, ever doubt that Phil is giving his all, every pitch. Joba sometimes doesn’t seem to get it. Again IMO, if Joba thinks he might end up in AAA if he doesn’t show up in shape and bring it, that’s the only way he gets motivated.

    ——————————

    LOL How do you know Joba “is not giving it his all”. And where does Joba attitude problem come from? I have never heard a teammate say he has an attitude problem. Mo had a conversation with Joba about pitch selection not attitude. Girardi said that Joba is a hardworker.

    Joba has been a better major league pitcher than Hughes its not even close. Even Girardi in the playoffs showed more confidence in Joba than Hughes and that was after Hughes dominanted the regular season and joba struggled in august and september.

  350. 66 stripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    The fact that Chad Gaudin is slated to earn over $3 million in arbitration is a travesty. This is a guy who had a 5+ ERA in the NL West this year.

  351. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Frank, Gaudin did well under Eiland…….The Yankees aren’t the KC Royals. Penny wise, pound foolish – trading a better option than Aceves simply because he’s more expensive?

  352. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Just how good is Arodys Viz?

  353. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    DeRosa wouldn’t be getting younger and more athletic and is coming off a wrist injury and a terrible 2nd half of the season. I like DeRosa as a super utility[prices], but not as full time LF’er!

    Also if Vazquez puts up his 2009 numbers adding in the change back to the AL, they’ll definitely offer arbitration and might even want to extend his contract, if Pettitte hangs it up.

    I personally wouldn’t mind seeing another established reliever in the bullpen and if the price comes way down, would look at Kiko Calero!

  354. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Some might say that repeatedly shaking off your catcher is an attitude that needs readjustment.

    However I think it’s a waste if either Hughes or Chamberlain are put in the pen for the entire year.

  355. randy l. December 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    liked melky a lot.

    but like this deal.

    it’s great for the rotation in 2010 and , gives options for the future , and buys time for hughes or joba to emerge.

    now about left field.

    should be interesting.

  356. timo December 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t love Byrd. I’m holding my nose and selecting him from the three options being considered by the team, according to a poster who seems to know whereof he speaks.

    2009 OPS+

    Byrd: 106
    DeRosa: 99
    Winn: 75 (for the love of God)

    I wish we still had Melky.

  357. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Stuckey, for some reason I recall him fading……I’ll have to check the #s later. As to the post-season, didn’t he get clobbered against the Twins and Angels? If I’m wrong, I apologize…….it’s just what I remember. I worry about how his body has reacted to being in the pen – remember the arm problem he had at one point?

  358. stuckey December 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    “Either in the pen is a complete misuse of material. It’s a waste.”
    ___________________________

    I understand the logic of the argument perfectly, but I’m responding to the practical reality as of this moment.

    And a BIGGER waste is having either of them do nothing for the Yankees in Scranton.

    You want to discuss whether it’s more valuable having one of them warming in Scranton for weeks or months at a time in anticipation of injury, fair enough, but I’d argue either is more of a waste getting triple A hitters out 6 innings at a time than getting major league hitters out at whatever rate the Yankees can use them

  359. Tim December 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Aceves had one bad month – July.

    How is Gaudin a better option than him? There is no basis to say that.

  360. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Why does this blog have random posters who say stupid things and they never post anything on here on a regular basis ?

    The Yankees are a better team than the 2009 team. They still have their top prospects while getting better, so if you are crying about the moves made then you’re not that smart.

  361. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Curtis Granderson will report to spring training penciled in at center field. – per Marc Carig

    more like, carved in marble. I love these professional journalists

  362. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Seven:

    All due respect, am I wrong that last season, when Joba was in the middle of that horrendous stretch and then, in the post-game int., keep playing down how badly he’d pitched, that Girardi actually did say at one point he wasn’t happy with Joba’s “approach”?

  363. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    vb03
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
    Just how good is Arodys Viz?
    =====

    In terms of upside?

    Let’s put it this way – we could win a second straight World Series, and Cashman would still be in jeopardy of being known, down the road, as “the guy who traded Arodys Vizcaino.”

    Woe.

  364. ARK December 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Aside from Robertson, Marte, and MO… everyone had a bad postseason in the pen. It was not only Aceves. Hughes was awful too.

    Really, Ace had one bad month that inflated his numbers. He is much better suited to start than relieve anyway. Gaudin is NOT better than him. Gaudin gets clobbered against lefties and has below average control.

  365. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    This is Cashman’s exact quote from today

    “We’ll continue to look at any remaining piece, but it won’t be a big piece,” Cashman said. “So any speculation about some high-end player with big ability and dollars attached on our scale would be inappropriate.”

    Unless he’s telling a baldfaced lie with a straight face, I’m not sure how much more definite about Holliday you can get.

  366. Jeremy December 22nd, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    timo
    I miss Melky too but it’s time to move on. Some people need to realize that this is a business and that players get traded in order to improve the club. Melky was a good guy but he was not an impact player like a Robinson Cano.

  367. Tank December 22nd, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Arodys Vizcaino only pitched at short-season Staten Island last year but was tabbed as the third-best prospect in the Yankee system by Baseball America. The Yanks thought he had the best curveball in their whole system already at age 19. But they had some worries about if a spotty work ethic would enable him to reach his ceiling.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....dq2HIKg1VM

  368. Jeter2007 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#

  369. Ecology [Going Further] December 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    is this a one year rental tho?

  370. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    stuckey
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    “Either in the pen is a complete misuse of material. It’s a waste.”
    ___________________________
    I understand the logic of the argument perfectly, but I’m responding to the practical reality as of this moment.
    And a BIGGER waste is having either of them do nothing for the Yankees in Scranton.
    You want to discuss whether it’s more valuable having one of them warming in Scranton for weeks or months at a time in anticipation of injury, fair enough, but I’d argue either is more of a waste getting triple A hitters out 6 innings at a time than getting major league hitters out at whatever rate the Yankees can use them
    ========================

    Listen, I am furious Cashman just didn’t allow the 2009 team to breathe a little, buying a goodwill year where Hughes and Chamberlain were BOTH in the rotation, with depth around in case either kid flopped.

    What’s galling is we had the chips to rake the table anyway.

    So now, one kid gets jettisoned to the BP, or Triple A – so a 33-year old Vasquez can go 14-9.

    And another great arm – Vizcaino – is out of the system.

    The merits of Hughes in the BP vs. Triple A? Or Chamberlain?

    The BP doesn’t build up either arm for starting, though it may help the team. I’d go with AAA. These kids have to pitch if they’re ever to get over the hump.

  371. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    “Unless he’s telling a baldfaced lie with a straight face, I’m not sure how much more definite about Holliday you can get”
    ——————————————————–

    if Tom Verducci says the Yankees have a LF’er picked out, i wonder who he’s referring to?

  372. EdWhitson December 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan,

    What’s the benefit for Cash telling the truth ? None.
    What’s the benefit for telling a “baldfaced lie” Several.

  373. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Yankees inquired about a Cliff Lee trade with M’s? What?

  374. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Joba no # one fan here. Can’t believe the remarks from fans down grading Joba to AAA. He has been in the bigs since 07 cruising through the minors in less than a year.

    Also, can’t believe that Cash himself who had down graded Joba. Early in 09 he was touting Joba as an ace 2B. Mid season he was saying that Joba was in the rotation and WOULD not be going to the rotation. Well, we all know how that turned out.

    From potential ace to back to AAA (he was there for all of ten days after he was fast tracked) indicates that there is something larger other than his pitching ability that is motivating the Yankees to not promote Joba any more. And no one will know what that fault is until he is gone.

    If that is the case then they should trade him while he still has trade value and give the young man a chance to make it on the another team plus then he would become the other team’s responsibility and not that of the Yankees.

    He definitely is not on Cash’s radar anymore. Sad, sad.

    And Gardner as a starter. I think someone has had too much caffeine while negotiating all these changes. Gardner as a starter on a strong team like the Yankees is a joke. He is a nice guy, Mr. Clean. But when do nice guys finish first in a business like the Yankee operation.

    \

  375. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Rushing to get a left fielder is ot needed right now.
    There might be plenty of outfielders willing to play for peanuts to be on the 25 man or willing to start in the minors. I’m not saying these people would be ideal fits as free agents but think Ankiel, Gomes as power hitting outfielders, that might only get one year deals.

  376. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Plesaac is so funny. :) (MLB Network – Hot Stove)

  377. Rick December 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Tom Verducci has no sources… he has been shut out since he wrote that Torre book.

    I’d wait for some confirmation from Olney, Sherman, Davidoff, Heyman, Rosenthal, etc. before drawing any conclusions.

  378. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    “Yankees inquired about a Cliff Lee with the M’s”
    ————————————————–
    and i inquired about Vivica Foxx

  379. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Sherman has said we are not in on Holliday.

  380. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Yankees inquired about a Cliff Lee trade with M’s? What?
    ————————————————

    That was ongoing while Cashman was looking for another starter.

    MLB TV repeating their discussion about Yankee trade right now.

  381. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    VIZCAINO reports:

    5. Arodys Vizcaino – The Dominican right-hander is as electric as they come on the mound. While his stats were good [posting a 2.13 ERA and a better than a strikeout per inning in the NY Penn League], they pale in comparison to just how good his stuff is. He was sitting 94-96 MPH with his fastball late in the season, showing the great plus curveball, and his changeup continues to get better. If he could develop his changeup into a consistent plus pitch, he too could race through the minor leagues.

    PPP
    PinstripesPlus.com: When you say interesting prospect I immediately think of Arodys Vizcaino. Obviously he has the electric arm, but what did you think of the development of his secondary pitches?

    Paul: Oh yeah he’s got good stuff. You touched on it, he’s got a good fastball and he’s got a good curveball as well. He’s working on his changeup but they are all working on their changes. They’re all working on their changeups in the big leagues too though. But yeah, he’s got great stuff and he’s got great potential. He came up lame towards the end of the year but I think he was among the league leaders in many categories. He’s got good stuff.
    =====

    PinstripesPlus.com: Outside of Banuelos this year, Arodys Vizcaino to me looked like the most impressive pitcher this year. I know a big thing for him has been the development of his changeup. Did you see progress in this area this year?

    Nardi Contreras: Oh yes, Vizcaino is special. Besides seeing him pitch in Staten Island we had him in the Instructional League. During Instructs he was primarily working on hjis changeup. For instance, in an outing he threw 30 pitches. Of those, 15 to 17 were changeups. This pitch is coming along real well. He has put up a very nice year for himself. Carlos Chantres did a great job with his delivery during Extended [Spring Training] and then Pat Daneker continued the development in Staten Island. He will continue his development of the delivery and pitches at the Dominican Instructional League.
    ======
    Signed: Dominican Republic, 2007 • Signed by: Alfredo Dominguez
    Background: When the Yankees spend big money during the international summer signing season, they usually give it to position players, such as Gary Sanchez, Wily Mo Pena and Jesus Montero. Vizcaino received the largest signing bonus the club has given a pitcher in that market, signing for $800,000 out of the Dominican Republic in 2007. He dominated the short-season New York-Penn League last summer before a muscle strain in his back ended his season in August.

    Strengths: Vizcaino has the most electric arm in the system outside of Andrew Brackman, and he’s much more polished. Vizcaino sits at 90-94 mph with his fastball and regularly runs it up to 96. His quick arm generates easy velocity, and the ball seems to explode out of his hand. His best pitch is a hammer curveball that he throws with solid command. Club officials say his curve is second only to A.J. Burnett’s in the organization. He has a sturdy, durable body.

    Weaknesses: Vizcaino’s changeup has improved but still grades as below average. He’s raw and has plenty of work to do on subtle skills such as setting up hitters, fielding his position and holding runners. He also could have a more mature mound presence.

    The Future: Given Vizcaino’s youth and ceiling, New York will handle him carefully. He figures to go to low Class A Charleston for 2010, starting in the first half and relieving in the second half to keep his innings from piling up.

  382. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Did anyone hear what Verducci said on last night’s MLB show?

    Aside from being called by the other guys on MLBN “the Dooch,”

    Verducci said “having to use a 4 man or 5 man rotation in the playoffs is a true testament to a team rather than using a 3 man rotation as the Yankees did this postseason.”

    LOL

  383. vb03 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Verducci said “having to use a 4 man or 5 man rotation in the playoffs is a true testament to a team rather than using a 3 man rotation as the Yankees did this postseason.”

    ————–

    People have been trying to discredit the Yankees’ success since forever. That’s why I ignore the talking heads.

  384. Lock December 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Joba had a DUI during the off-season, came into camp out of shape, didn’t listen to Posada and kept shaking him off, didn’t listen to Girardi or Eliand and kept going in circles and then regressed considerably as the season wore on.

    No… there are no reasons for why the FO may have soured some on Joba… none at all….

  385. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Vinny,

    Vivica’s mine.

  386. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Having guys pitch on 3 days rest without complaining about it is a testament to “TEAM”

    Having your 4th starter move to the bullpen is a testament to “TEAM”

    Having the most wins in MLB despite not having a regular 5th starter is a testament to “TEAM”

  387. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    alert: nevermind the Verducci comment.

    the player in question was Nick Johnson

  388. Danny December 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    CR,

    That sounds similar to Olney trying to discredit the Yankees no hitters and saying that Lester’s and Buchholz’s were against superior competition (wow, how did they ever throw such gems against the Orioles and Royals?? Amazing!!)

  389. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Bears repeating: . . . LOL How do you know Joba “is not giving it his all”. And where does Joba attitude problem come from? I have never heard a teammate say he has an attitude problem. Mo had a conversation with Joba about pitch selection not attitude. Girardi said that Joba is a hardworker.

    Joba has been a better major league pitcher than Hughes its not even close. Even Girardi in the playoffs showed more confidence in Joba than Hughes and that was after Hughes dominanted the regular season and joba struggled in august and september.
    _______________________________________________________

    Last year when Joba was accused of head hunting I e-mailed Pete directly with my concern that Joba was getting this bad reputation. His reply was that Joba was liked by his team mates and was a nice young man.

  390. Laura - I just got my World Series DVD set. Woohoo! December 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    “Why does this blog have random posters who say stupid things and they never post anything on here on a regular basis ?”

    Isn’t this better than them posting stupid things on a regular basis? :P

  391. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    “Vinny,
    Vivica’s mine”
    —————————-
    you have good taste daSaint :)

  392. five iron from fenway December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    The Cashman quote about AAA is telling and a direct challenge to Joba.
    I think the Yankees hope that Joba wins whatever battle they will have in the spring.
    There are two issues:
    1) Joba at his best is better than Phil at his best
    2) Phil is on an innings limit and Joba is not
    If Joba proves to be some semblance of himself he wins the job hands down. Phil goes back to AAA to start the season slowly and work on the change (which is his key to being a 3-4 type starter or a 1-2). He will be brought up to start in the middle of the season and finish out with the big club with no remaining innings restriction.
    I think this will also give the Yankees the opportunity to try Melancon, Sanchez, Sanchez (H – if resigned), Kontos (when he returns) and most important Garcia as set-up men.
    Next year Pettite and/or Vazquez is gone and you then insert Phil full time + either a resign of Pettite/Vazquez and/or Cliff Lee, Beckett etc.

  393. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    I never trust the “bad attitude” rap.

    There’s just no way to know.

    Considering his background, the drama of his absent mother, the challenges put before his wheelchair bound father, and the fact that Joba had to do odd jobs, like cleaning toilets…I’d say he comes off as a pretty well-adjusted, cheerful kid, who is obviously no stranger to hard work.

    I do get tired of the sanctimonious posters in here trashing this kid’s “attitude.”

    Get off your butt and clean a toilet, why don’t you.

  394. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    clean a toilet?

  395. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth

    While I think Verducci is a sicko for saying it, I think his comment was more in regards to how good a team is or the depth of a team.

  396. five iron from fenway December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Bold prediction – Christian Garcia will become the Joba of 2010 (the lock down 8th inning reliever version)!

  397. Jack Frost December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Anyone see SportsCenter just now? They just showed Vasquez’ stats against the Red Sox and highlighted the 2-7 record, as if it is indicative of something.

    He has a very respectable 4.23 ERA against them (considering they have been an offensive juggernaut in the past with Ortiz/Manny, that ERA is very good actually).

    They also showed that he has a .270 BAA and 11 HRs allowed. Why didn’t they mention that he also has 73 strikeouts in 66 innings against them? Or a 3-1 K-BB ratio? Or how he has thrown 2 complete games in Fenway?

    ESPN makes me sick.

  398. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Lock: Joba is not the first pitcher in the Yankee system to not listen to Posada and he won’t be the last.

    Get some original arguments other than parrot all the garbage that has been posted on this board ad nausem regarding Joba’s supposed faults.

    Who pitched in the WS as relief. Who? Who?

  399. sar515 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    So MLB says (via cash) yanks “on the verge” of announcing a position player acquisition????

  400. Jack Frost December 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Oh, and they also mentioned the 04 ALCS.

  401. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    “So MLB says (via cash) yanks “on the verge” of announcing a position player acquisition????”
    ————————————————–
    this is in reference to Nick Johnson

  402. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    five iron from fenway
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    The Cashman quote about AAA is telling and a direct challenge to Joba.
    I think the Yankees hope that Joba wins whatever battle they will have in the spring.
    There are two issues:
    1) Joba at his best is better than Phil at his best
    2) Phil is on an innings limit and Joba is not
    If Joba proves to be some semblance of himself he wins the job hands down. Phil goes back to AAA to start the season slowly and work on the change (which is his key to being a 3-4 type starter or a 1-2). He will be brought up to start in the middle of the season and finish out with the big club with no remaining innings restriction.
    I think this will also give the Yankees the opportunity to try Melancon, Sanchez, Sanchez (H – if resigned), Kontos (when he returns) and most important Garcia as set-up men.
    Next year Pettite and/or Vazquez is gone and you then insert Phil full time + either a resign of Pettite/Vazquez and/or Cliff Lee, Beckett etc.

    ——————————————————

    Couldn’t agree more. Hopefully, this is the plan.

    If all works out, both will be starters on this team for years to come. Joba just happens to be in front of the line. They’ll both have their shots.

  403. Lock December 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    JeterJoba,

    Hey, I’m not the one who acquired Vasquez to move Joba out of the rotation (in all likelihood).

    Talk with Cashman. Clearly, they must have been some truth to the rumors about him. Otherwise why wasn’t he given a spot in the rotation this year guaranteed after all they went through last year?

    Sometimes, the truth is the truth.

  404. UpState December 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    Upstate, way to ignore Melky’s .391 average in the ALCS. Say goodbye to what’s left of your Lohud credibilty…
    =========================================

    Dear Mr. Ghost:

    Kindly re-read the post slowly……there you go…..let’s see – the operative phrase is :

    “last series of each year”

    Let’s take a quick review of your darling Melky in the Yankees last series of each of the prevoius years :
    2009 – Phillies WS —– .154
    2008 – no post-season
    2007 – Cleveland LDS — .188
    2006 – Detroit LDS —— 0-3
    Well – he IS pretty consistant.
    Can anyone say “drowning well under the Mendoza Line ” ???
    Sorry, Mr. Ghost
    =======================================

    Now – if you like to ‘read other things’ into the post that are not there….OK…I can’t teach remedial reading; but I will try to work with you a bit, we do wish you well in your attempts….

    So let’s put the LAA series in it (including the 10-2 blowout)…”.therenow” – .391

    So let’s put the Minnesota series in it also ……”.therenow” – .167

    My apologies actually go to Mr. Mendoza (see performances above)….

    Cabrera continues to “drown well under the Mendoza Line ”

    While I do not disparage your credibility; I do recognize your powerful love for the Melkman – and also a bit of a weakness in ‘reading comprehension’.

    Buy an Atlanta Brave hat…..and geeeeeez – if he becomes Bernie Williams; I’ll root for Cashman & Co. to re-acquire him when he becomes a free agent….till then – we wish you and your little guy all the best !

    Today’s deal was great !!!

    Wishing you luck !!!

  405. Mark in Tampa December 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    “Cashman on the Yankees payroll: “I do have a number that we’re working under. We will be at that number and it will be less than last year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.””

    Translation: “See you guys back here tomorrow for the Matt Holliday presser.”

    They signed Teixeira 1 year ago tomorrow after saying very similar things. I continue to hold out hope for Holliday until he signs somewhere else.

  406. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    five iron from fenway
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    Bold prediction – Christian Garcia will become the Joba of 2010 (the lock down 8th inning reliever version)!
    ======

    If he’s healthy enough, he absolutely can do that.

    Kid’s filthy.

    I also see Brackman, if he’s healthy, appearing in the BP late in the season.

  407. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Hurray for Bodhs post on Joba @7:12. He is right on the button. Read it again, please. Yes, Joba worked maintenance in Lincoln before going to the U of Nebraska, where he pitched for two great years.

  408. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    “Anyone see SportsCenter just now? They just showed Vasquez’ stats against the Red Sox and highlighted the 2-7 record, as if it is indicative of something”
    —————————————————–

    I didn’t know ESPN still covered baseball. The MLB Network is excellent tho

  409. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Jack Frost

    Of course they did.

    ESPN is the epitome of corruption and fraud.

    As long as the Yankees have a sizable margin in World Series titles and add to that total, ESPN will forever have to live with their jealousy.

    Learn to laugh at them for the frauds they are. Don’t get sick. ESPN is not worth the sweat off your *****, never mind making you sick.

  410. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Vivica Fox? Maybe 10/15 years ago. She’s had waaaaay to much plastic surgery.

  411. Bronx Jeers December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Bodhi you’re killing us with the Vizcaino stuff. :wink:

    It’s over and done with.

    What about having the peace of mind to accept the things you can’t control?

    If not? I guess it’s your right to gripe.

    It’s certainly not the worst griping we’ve seenin here.

  412. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Upstate,

    I rarely, if ever, seen you post about anything other than your intense dislike for Melky Cabrera.

    You make bilious comments about his ability, which come off as rather off, if you know what I mean.

    You attacked Doreen on Cabrera, and seem to live to take barbs at the player.

    He’s been traded..he is gone. You got your wish.

    The question is, do you have the capacity to move on to another topic?

  413. blake December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Mark, me too. I mean this in the nicest way, but Cashman is full of crap. He talks to the media and they just eat it up like his word is gold. The yankees might not sign Holliday but if they don’t it won’t be because he told the media he wasn’t going to.

  414. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Holliday:

    confidence level steady at 90%

    Happens before New Year’s

    The budget can be worked.

    The contract can be worked

    Holliday wants to be a Yankee

    Cashman has leverage

    There is no point for Matt to wait much longer.

    The Cards have done what they can do,

    And it ain’t in the Cards for the Cards.

    And we aint gonna fold and get fleeced.

    They have their offer and we can match or beat there’s

    we can use accounting gimmicks or whatever

    Choose Matt Cardinal or Yankee ?

    Just tell Boric Acid to fold the tent and make the deal with the Yanks.

    Sorry you couldn’t get more but it’s REALITY.

    You ahve to deal with it sooner or later.

    You have a chnce for greatness.

    Fulfill your destiny

    Matt. You know you want to be a Yankee and not Cardinal.

    We’re prepared to welcome you to the Canyon of Heroes.

    And the Yankees dont settle for hamburger when they can get steak !

    Cash- jigger the numbers- easy.

    Done.

  415. sar515 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    “So MLB says (via cash) yanks “on the verge” of announcing a position player acquisition????”
    ————————————————–
    this is in reference to Nick Johnson

    Thanks for the clarification Vinny…
    Just caught the tail end of the Cash interview.

    But I’ll wager Gardner is not our starting LF

  416. five iron from fenway December 22nd, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Bod – From reading some other sites (PP), it seems that Brackman really discovered something at the end of last year with his command. I think in one of the instructional camps after the season he was lights out WITH command.
    I also saw a quote from months ago so I cannot reference the source, but it was from a Yankee coordinator or minor league coach who said Brackman’s immediate future is up to him – meaning that he could make the big club really soon as a reliever or would need a couple more years to make it as a starter.
    I just can’t see the Yankees NOT making every effort to let Joba and Phil succeed.

  417. hannie December 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    i am going to miss the milk man, he mad things happen

  418. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Bodhi you’re killing us with the Vizcaino stuff.
    It’s over and done with.
    What about having the peace of mind to accept the things you can’t control?
    If not? I guess it’s your right to gripe.
    It’s certainly not the worst griping we’ve seenin here.
    ===

    Bronx,

    Someone asked how good he actually is.

    I have answered the request by providing sources other than Joel Sherman, who hardly would know.

    As for griping about losing him, I apologize to the entire Ladies Auxiliary for crossing the line of what you deem is an acceptable level of griping.

  419. vin December 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    “I didn’t know ESPN still covered baseball. The MLB Network is excellent tho”

    Yeah, shouldn’t they be re-capping last night’s MNF game for 10 millionth time? That network is completely unwatchable.

  420. MikeinBH December 22nd, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    inny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    “So MLB says (via cash) yanks “on the verge” of announcing a position player acquisition????”
    ————————————————–
    this is in reference to Nick Johnson

    Thanks for the clarification Vinny…
    Just caught the tail end of the Cash interview.

    But I’ll wager Gardner is not our starting LF

    No, Cashman’s exact words were “right-handed bat”. Nick Johnson is NOT a right-handed bat.

  421. Tom on N.J. December 22nd, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    I’ve never understood the Melky hate either, Bod.

    And I say this as somebody who wasn’t ‘in love’ with him as a player. The way I look at it is this, he lost his job last year, got it back, and never gave it up. There’s a lot of heart-and hard work- in that. I wish him the best.

  422. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    five iron,

    they fixed his arm slot apparently and he was throwing all his pitches from it with ease, and strikes at that!

    What a weapon he would be – and if it’s him AND Garcia – that’s just crazy good.

    Joba/Phil talk is getting me down. Let them air it out in the rotation.

  423. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Lock: But you were the one to put in print about Joba’s faults and you did not attribute the statements to Cash. I still say it is almost verbatim to the agruments used against Joba on these very boards. You did miss the one where Betsy called him a goat.

    Again, who did Giradi choose to pitch in relief in the WS, who, who. JOBA CHAMBERLAIN that’s who.

  424. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Boras
    capitulate.
    you cant deliver.

    Not in this climate.

    Make your client happy and at least make him a Yankee.

    Accept a creative solution.

    Surrender.

    It’s over and Yankees have won.

    They are fair to the conquered.

    Boras

    “Who’s your daddy ?”

  425. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Melky will be missed.
    my neice is not happy.

  426. Dan December 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Anyone else hear the rumor that the Yankees are close to signing a right-handed outfielder, but can’t discuss the deal until its done. Apparently thats what Cashman said on the MLB Network a few minutes ago. I wasn’t watching, so I can’t confirm, but I did get an e-mail about it. It would have to be DeRosa or Dye.

  427. UpState December 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Upstate,

    I rarely, if ever, seen you post about anything other than your intense dislike for Melky Cabrera.

    You make bilious comments about his ability, which come off as rather off, if you know what I mean.

    You attacked Doreen on Cabrera, and seem to live to take barbs at the player.

    He’s been traded..he is gone. You got your wish.

    The question is, do you have the capacity to move on to another topic?
    =============================
    Bodhisattva:
    It was a response.
    Always a great topic !!!
    Great trade !!!
    Chop,Chop !

  428. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    JeterJobaCanoFan2010
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Again, who did Giradi choose to pitch in relief in the WS, who, who. JOBA CHAMBERLAIN that’s who.

    ——————————————————-

    Hughes ran out of gas at the end of the season. Not a knock against him, just happens to young pitchers.

    But it’s another reason why Joba is ahead of him in line. Joba’s stretched out, Hughes is not.

    Hughes knew what he was getting into when he asked to go to the pen instead of AAA. Joba’s first in line for a rotation spot, it’s his spot to lose. Whether or not Joba succeeds, Hughes is next in line.

  429. Paco Dooley December 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    “Anyone see SportsCenter just now? They just showed Vasquez’ stats against the Red Sox and highlighted the 2-7 record, as if it is indicative of something”

    I’m pretty sure Lackey has a similarly bad (well, perhaps not THAT bad a) record against the Yankees.

  430. Gardner is God December 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Melky is gone, folks.

    He was a talentless 4th OF who was known more for his friendship with Cano than his baseball skills.

    What does he do well? Or rather, what does he do better than Gardner?

    Higher Avg? No?
    Higher OBP? No
    More steals? No
    Better Defense? No
    Better bunter? No
    Better situational hitter? No

    Melky might hit 3-4 more HRs, but that is it. He does nothing better than Gardner. Gardner has 2 elite tools (speed and defense) to go along with a high OBP.

    We should REJOICE. Now Girardi has no choice but to play the better player. You guys all wanted to play small ball and manufacture runs right? Well, now we have the perfect guy to do that batting 9th. Hitting in front of Jeter/NJ/TEX he will score 100 runs. He will do things other than swing for the fences.

  431. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    If we don’t get Matt. It wont be the Yankees doing.

    It will be his decision to pass.

    Why would he choose the Cards over the team he loves.

    It foolishness.

    We can match or beat the number.

    We are the best.

    I dont think your afraid of the big stage.

    Are you Matt.

    It’s your dream.

    Grab it while you can.

    We’ve got the dollars for you.

    Come on over to our side.

  432. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    “No, Cashman’s exact words were “right-handed bat”. Nick Johnson is NOT a right-handed bat”
    ————————————————
    if you watched the MLB/Hot Stove interview, Cashman and Verducci were clearly referring to Nick Johnson

  433. Arnold December 22nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Garcia is another Pavano. Forget him. He’ll probably be taken off the roster in ST when we need room for someone. Has he pitched more than like 50 innings in his career? And he’s going to be 26 and in the system for 8 years.

    Stop waiting for him to stay healthy, it ain’t happening.

  434. joeman December 22nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Cash is going to add a starting LFer who can bat right & it’s not going to be either Holliday or Bay….not with the FA’s that are there in 2011..

  435. Paco Dooley December 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    “Anyone see SportsCenter just now? They just showed Vasquez’ stats against the Red Sox and highlighted the 2-7 record, as if it is indicative of something”

    I’m pretty sure Lackey has a similarly bad (well, perhaps not THAT bad a) record against the Yankees.”

    Okay, Lackey is 5-7 career against the NYY and 2-5 with a 5.745 ERA in his career at Fenway.

  436. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    I’m rooting you in Mr. Holliday.

    Can’t wait to see you take your first victory lap in
    the Pinstripes.

    You’re gonna look great.

    And you will be among greatness.

    What could be better than that ?

  437. yo ho ho December 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    how does your light shine on the road to Shambala?

  438. Paco Dooley December 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    I don’t like the Vasquez move unless they now find a decent option in the outfield to replace Melky. I personally felt like Joba would be okay as the #4 and Hughes as the #5. They are clearly better with Javy as the #4 (or 4 with Pettitte now the 4), but they lose a guy that I think is a better all around player than his current replacement (Gardner) in Melky.

  439. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    MTU you are committed….and you should be

  440. Matt December 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    The only pitcher to win at least 10 games in the last 10 years ? Yep …… Javier Vasquez. The guy is an innings eater and has a 4 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio. Sorry Melky, but nothing is forever.

  441. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Tom,

    He’s not a power guy, but he’s got some.

    He’s not a base stealer, but he had more infield hits than Brett Gardner.

    He doesn’t have plus-plus speed, but he gets to the ball and plays a solid CF.

    He doesn’t bat .300, but he can hit from both sides of the plate and flirts with .290 and then doesn’t sustain it.

    He makes pitchers work – but it hasn’t yet resulted in a high OBP.

    He’s not a superstar, and he won’t be one.

    And apparently, at 25, he’s through.

    He also enjoys the big spot, and is happy go lucky with a big personality.

    Certain people want their players’ emotions more Gary Cooper-esque.

    What does this all mean? Expect him to have a big year in 2010 :).

  442. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Matt
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
    The only pitcher to win at least 10 games in the last 10 years ? Yep …… Javier Vasquez. The guy is an innings eater and has a 4 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio. Sorry Melky, but nothing is forever.

    ——————————————————-

    And he’s the GOOD version of an innings eater. As opposed to the Livan Hernandez version of an innings eater- you know, the innings eater that also gives up a ton of runs while feasting on said innings.

  443. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    I am not gonna give up on you until you agree to be a Yankee.

    You hear me Matt.

    Dont sign if you dont want to be a part of the greatest sports franchise in all of the world.

    otherwise

    put your signature here:

    X______________

    Sign right where the X is.

    It’s easy.

  444. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    you guys better get used to seeing Damon’s 2004 GS
    you’re gonna see it whenever JV pitches on FOX or ESPN

  445. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    I see nothing wrong with MTU channeling Holliday.

    What was his response, MTU?

  446. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Uncle-

    I just believe it is going to happen.

    Why can’t it ?

  447. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Poor Melky. He is stuck with the Braves… And stuck in Georgia. Yuck.

    Maybe the Braves can try to get Gonzalez, with Arodys being a lesser chip in a deal for him.

    If the Braves get Gonzalez with the help of Arodys, then I have no qualms whatsoever with us including him in the deal.

  448. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Hahaha, Uncle, it can’t hurt me.

    I was there.

    And it’s so over.

  449. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    just kidding MTU

    go nuts

  450. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    I still don’t quite get the Yankees suddenly having a budget. Why, other than for PR? To manipulate sentiment at the next CBA negotiations in 2011? They hate the Yankees no matter what.

    No, I wouldn’t spend $250 million or even $225 million. But the organization is raking it in, even in a recession, to the point of a spare $10 million either way not making much of a difference.

    But would I go to $207 million or so (assuming AAV right now is $190 million before arb) to sign a Matt Holliday or even to $200 million or so to sign Johnny Damon, who even with Johnson and Granderson signed remains a good fit for LF?

    I’m scratching my head on this one. They hate us at $200 million. Another $10 to 15 million won’t change that equation.

    Payroll is still relatively flexible for the next 3-4 years.

    And yes, Mo and Jeter will sign for less, as much as that will get me flamed.

    I guess Boras is banking on this, and right now it’s a game of chicken.

    The player (Holliday) may blink first.

  451. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    Hahaha, Uncle, it can’t hurt me.

    I was there.

    And it’s so over.

    Good Man.

  452. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    MTU
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    Uncle-

    I just believe it is going to happen.

    Why can’t it ?

    ————————————————

    Nothing wrong with believing it. I’m thinking he’s referring to the technique you are choosing to go about believing it.

  453. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Bohdi-

    we’ll know very, very soon !

    I have been workin as hard as i know how since the beginning.

    And I wont quit until

    Matt says I dont want to be a Yankee

    by moving on.

    That’s it.

    And thanks for your support.

    Will you try to help ?

  454. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    MTU you are committed….and you should be
    ===
    He is but mad north, north-west.

    When the wind is southerly, he knows a hawk from a handsaw.

  455. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    “just kidding MTU. go nuts”
    ——————————–
    pun intended?

  456. Jerkface December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Melky barely qualifies as a switch hitter. Hits very poorly from the right side.

  457. The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Upstate,

    according to baseball-reference.com Melky Cabrera was involved in a top 5 play in 2 of the 4 games he played in against Philly. Of course if he traded those two pivotal game changing hits for 4 meaningless hits – in your book – he would have batted .307 and had a “great” series. Nice try, how about getting your head out of that stat book and actually watch a game then maybe you would appreciate the intangibles that a player like Melky adds to a championship team.

  458. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    My good fellow, I’m visualizing as we speak.

    Being whisked off the dinner, where I’ll do more out-picturing, as they call it in your world ;).

  459. Doreen December 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Hi Everyone!

    As I’ve said before – Christmas and the hot stove don’t really mix. I’m in, I’m out.

    But I have to say I heard the audio fo Vazquez saying he didn’t want to leave NY last time around (on XM radio). I heard Rob Dibble say this was a great trade for the Yankees.

    I have to say, I was hapy with this trade. Sad to say goodbye to one of my personal favorities in Melky Cabrera, but very ECXITED to have Vazquez in the rotation. The more I think about it, the happier I get.

    Now.

    I have been extremely busy and not read anything here in the last. oh, at least 4 hours, but, what are the chances of Damon being signed?

  460. steveoh December 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I know Cashman says what he wants everyone to hear and not necessarily the “full truth”, but I do think they aren’t going after Holliday.

    Probably not Damon either unless they can get him well under 10k. Johnson pretty much fills his spot in the lineup.

    A trade for DeJesus would be fine.

  461. mick December 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    out most of the day, anything happen?

  462. Doreen December 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    I just re-read my post.. I guess I’ve been attending the GB7 school of posting…

    :lol:

  463. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Hamlet AND remote viewing?

  464. Lost in Holliday-in December 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    - . At 11 a.m. on Dec. 23, 2008 Cashman offered $160 million over eight years. An hour later, Teixeira’s agent, Scott Boras, called Cashman and “engaged me over details.

    - . 12/17/2008 Yankees general manager Brian Cashman denied they were involved in the Teixeira negotiations.

    - . 12/14/2008 Rosenthal says the Yankees are aiming to keep their payroll lower than last season. Despite gorging this holiday season, they’re shedding more than they’re putting on.

  465. Rose December 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Before Melky was traded, some people were saying he is a 4th outfielder, can’t play LF full time.
    Now that he is traded they want Gardner a 5th outfielder to play LF full time.
    Look for Cashman to trade/sign a left fielder.

  466. joeman December 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Bay or Holliday will not play in the Bronx for the Yankees in 10…mark it down.

  467. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    pun intended?

    surely

  468. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Doreen
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I have been extremely busy and not read anything here in the last. oh, at least 4 hours, but, what are the chances of Damon being signed?

    ————————————————–

    Unfortunately, I’d have to go with “slim” and “none”.

  469. Vrsce December 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    No way Matt Holliday is signed by the Yankees.

    At this moment the Yankees are far far ahead of any MLB team in talent and payroll. If they added Holliday there would be a revolt against the current structure.

    The Yankees have a huge structural advantage against any other team. they are smart to cut payroll. Excess now would upset the applecart.

  470. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Bohdi-

    thanks.

    It’s gonna take more than one.

    To bring him in.

    Are you feelin us Matt ?

  471. Lost in Holliday-in December 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    I do not have anything from a credible source tonight. Just thought I would share the above.

  472. CR9 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    “I’m scratching my head on this one. They hate us at $200 million. Another $10 to 15 million won’t change that equation. ”

    Exactly. And Cashman and the Yankees know this. They are not that naive, to think that $200 million is a number that will not be used against us all anti-Yankees parties.

    Also, Mo and/or Jeter should take less. At least one of the 2 should take less.

  473. mick December 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    ast year… I will continue to look at any remaining piece (for the outfield), but it won’t be a big piece.”
    =======================================================
    looks like the holliday deal is done.

    is the consensus derosa? doesn’t seem like a fulltime LF.

    any Lf’s available…dye plays right only, right?

  474. Francis Isberto December 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    A good move by the Yankees. Now their starting rotation is complete. The left field needs to be filled up though. Who will be that guy? Will it be Damon or DeRosa?

  475. mick December 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    mtu

    please stop already. :)

  476. BJK December 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    CR9
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Also, Mo and/or Jeter should take less. At least one of the 2 should take less.

    ———————————————————-

    Why should either take less? Neither of them have shown an ounce of decline.

  477. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Lost-In-Holliday:

    new post. (turn to the next page)

  478. mick December 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    i thought i just heard cash say damon will not happen on mlb hot stove

  479. PittsburghYankeeFan December 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Lost

    I think you hit it on the head.

    Substitute “Vasquez” for “Burnett” and “Holliday” for “Texiera” and it is literally the same discussion.

    In fact, look at 12/21/08. I think the Yankees projected AAV for 09 was about $180-185 million as well right about then…

  480. MTU December 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Lost-

    Thank you.

    My efforts are not wasted.

    I have never waivered.

    Are you feelin me Holliday !

    Come home to where you belong.

    Make your Father proud.

    He’s gonna shed a tear the first time you hit a homer at yankee stadium to win a game.

    He’s gonna be so proud watchin you circle those bases.

    His heart is almost gonna explode from it.

    Do it ! Matt

  481. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Cashman said that a Damon signing at this point, staying within the salary for 2010, has passed.

  482. no.27 December 22nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    If the Yankees didn’t say they had a budget, they would have a really hard time negotiating with any free agent.

    I think eventually they want to get to the point where they aren’t paying a significant luxury tax, not because they can’t afford it, but because they wouldn’t be giving money to other teams.

    I also think the budget they work with has more to do with long term contracts than short ones. As in, I can see them going over what they’d otherwise like to spend on a one year deal before they’d do it on a 3 or 4 year deal.

    They don’t want to get to a point where they have $200M tied up before free agency even starts. That’s why I don’t think they’ll sign Holliday.

  483. ariel December 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    No big pieces? Perhaps not, but remember, Cash once said “it would be fantasy to think we would sign both Sabathia and Teixiera at these numbers”.

  484. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes:

    Really? My opinion doesn’t matter unless I cleaned toilets? Wow. Everyone, new rules: your opinions don’t matter because Bodhi is insisting you have to have cleaned some porcelain. Off you go.

  485. sal December 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Enough with Vizcaino….

    Just because baseball America ranked him third doesn’t mean anything.
    He pitched 1/2 the season in the NY Penn League.

    Last season the BA had Betances 3rd and looked what happened.
    In January, Baseball Intellect had Heredia ranked 8th and Garcia ranked tenth and look what happened.

    You can not let Vizcaino get in the way of this trade. Vazquez gives you great rotation depth. And with the possibility to get two picks next off season when the Yanks let him walk. This is a win win.

    Look at the depth the Yanks have on the farm –
    (in no specific order)

    A Ball –
    Manny Banuelos – dominated Charleston (fullseason) at 18
    Jose Ramires – dominated GCL 18
    Jairo Heredia – Was Vizcaino in 2008
    Chris Cabrera – Top international FA signing 2009.

    Others –
    DJ Mitchell
    Francisco Rondon
    David Phelps
    Dellin Bettances (TJ surgery)
    Adam Warren
    Andrew Brackman

    AA/AAABall -
    McAllister
    Garcia
    Noesi
    Nova
    Bleich
    DelaRossa
    Horne
    Kontos (TJ surgery)

    The Yankees could deal Vizcaino especially if it gets us a pretty decent pick coming back.

  486. joeman December 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    can’t imagine what the payroll will be next year with the in house contracts that are up & the FA’s that will be there

  487. Betsy - high on pie December 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Doreen, I don’t think there’s much of a chance Damon gets signed. I don’t like Gardner, so I want another LF, but I also don’t like the idea of another trade; we’ve already dipped into our farm system quite a bit.

  488. mick December 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Jermaine Dye could be the answer in LF.

  489. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown December 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    No. 27:

    The problem with their payroll, as someone pointed out a few posts ago, is that this is the last year that they have significant dollars coming off the payroll. Next year it’s Mo and Jeter, so assuming they re-sign both after ’10, they are locked into a very high number for at least three more seasons. So they will be paying that luxury tax for a long time.

  490. Abdababdaserser December 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Does anyone honestly believe that the media will stop talking up the Yankees payroll if they only spend 200 million this year? Even if they do cut it by that much their saving 5 million or so from last year will become the “joke”. And if they falter at all the talking heads would be going on about how they could have added a player like Holliday and it wouldn’t have been that much more.

    It doesn’t matter what the move. It will always be that the haters will work any angle they can to tear down anything that the Yankees do.

    I would like to see a better choice for left field than what is currently slotted for that position. It went from Melky – who was being soundly ripped for how bad he was in that role, to Gardner, a player who Melky beat out of the Center Field job.

    He can play there, but moving Melky for Javy just changed where the perceived weakness in the team is. So, while the rotation looks somewhat better the outfield isn’t.

  491. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes December 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    sal,

    it’s true that we have some big arms in the system – stonburner is yet another guy to keep an eye on.

    Please don’t compare Heredia with Vizcaino. Hardball Times, for instance, is claiming he can hit 96 with his FB. That is not even remotely true.

    Vizcaino stands out because he is so fluid and already has command of 2 plus pitches at age 19, and is developing a third. Velo + crazy life + command.

    Yeah, he’s only in A ball, but I could sell that philosophy to myself if he had gone in a package for Josh Johnson.

    Jose Ramirez is a great arm, but he doesn’t have near the polish of Vizcaino.

    And now I am going out for dinner.

  492. nycornerstones December 22nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    yanks sign rocco ball deli

  493. UpState December 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    The Ghost
    December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    Upstate,

    according to baseball-reference.com Melky Cabrera was involved in a top 5 play in 2 of the 4 games he played in against Philly. Of course if he traded those two pivotal game changing hits for 4 meaningless hits – in your book – he would have batted .307 and had a “great” series. Nice try, how about getting your head out of that stat book and actually watch a game then maybe you would appreciate the intangibles that a player like Melky adds to a championship team.
    ———————
    You win.
    Melky was SO useful.
    If-If-If-If…
    Oh yeah….I have seen all those inning killing ‘ground balls to the SS with a man on first; the flailing at ball 4 and even ball 5; yup I’ve seen the swinging strike 3′s that the catcher had to jump for…..yes, I do watch the games (really nice TV, too)….and that is exactly why he “is what he is”….a 4th or 5th outfielder that was covered up by the rest of the line-up. The Atlanta outfield will love him; but here he was a cute and lovable (?) albatross.
    We wish you and him well in Atlanta (they are on TBS and I probably will now not get to watch his ‘wonderful play’ anymore.)
    Keep us posted.
    Now, we’re set for a real outfielder !!!
    Fill-in-the-blank:_____________. (you’re much smarter than we are)

  494. BillyBall December 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Betsy – well, we don’t like you, so you can go put your apron back on and listen on the radio while Brett Gardner patrols left!

  495. The Ghost December 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Upstate, Melky was an excellent role player on a team full of superstars. You can’t win a championship with players obsessed with stats at every position. Melky was one of the few players on the team that was allowed to bunt runners over – of course when Jeter does it every cries about the fact that he’s not paid 21 million dollars to bunt – but Jeter knows how to win and so did Melky. Who’s going to bunt runners over now?

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