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“Major Victory for the Yankees”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Most of the Javier Vazquez trade analysis I’ve read seems pretty positive for the Yankees.

The Hardball Times projects Vazquez to be “well-above average” even after moving to the American League East. Keith Law calls him, “one of the most valuable pitchers in his league in most years.” Former scout Frankie Piliere calls the trade a “major victory for the Yankees.” He writes that the Yankees rotation depth is now as good as any team in baseball.

Of the lost Yankees, it’s Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn who are most familiar in New York, but it’s Arodys Vizcaino who was the key prospect in the trade.

It’s true that Vizcaino is a high-ceiling pitcher, but it’s also true that he’s 19 years old and a long, long way from the big leagues. A lot can happen between now and then. Patrick Teale calls him a future ace, Baseball America calls him polished but with a lot of work to do and Baseball Prospectus ranked him as the Yankees No. 2 prospect, a grade above Manny Banuelos and Zach McAllister.

Tough to lose that much potential, but Vazquez is durable, consistent and there’s a solid chance he could net a first-round pick in 2011. For a Yankees team that is almost certainly going to have at least one young starter (Hughes or Chamberlain), one starter with a history of injuries (Burnett) and one 37-year-old starter (Pettitte), adding durability and reliability to the back of the rotation seems like a plus.

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330 Responses to ““Major Victory for the Yankees””

  1. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    This is in response to something from two posts ago. This is what I get for being up to my elbows in lasagna!!! :) (repost)

    Pat M & GB7 -

    I so agree about the pitchers departing at the end of 2003 had everything to do with the way 2004 ended. the 2004 offense was unbelievable, thouogh. In the end, pitching is king. always. I was despondent when they let Andy go. couldn’t believe it. I never thought about that if Andy had been signed they might have coaxed clemens back. Interesting idea.

    And let’s not forget – didn’t Mariano have a personal tragedy that post-season?

    Last year at this time – I was as I am now – busy cooking and cleaning and getting ready for Christmas Eve company and fun. Back and forth to the blog. I wanted Tex but really did not believe it would happen. What a great Christmas Eve it ended up being. Loved the headlines the next day. One of the best in a while for yankees fans.

    Before I get sidetracked, I want to wish all of you who celebrate a Merry Christmas, and those of you who do not – a wonderful winter holiday, whatever it is (was).

    It’s so strange here when one can only pop in and out. Disjointed conversations, and yet, familiarity.

    I don’t see Holliday under the holiday tree, however. But I can’t and won’t complain. Cashman’s had a busy, productive and largely positive post-season so far.

  2. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    One year deal. 200 innings.
    Why are people complaining?

  3. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Why are people complaining?

    IMO, mostly because they don’t realize that he was injured during the second half of the 2004 season.

  4. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Chad -

    I think Vazquez is better suited for this assignment than he may have been all those years ago here in NY. At least I’m hoping. I’m one of the few that liked him last time. :?

    Chad, Sam & Josh -

    Thanks for such wonderful attention to this blog, the attention to detail and I’m loving the different personalities and outlooks you all bring here. Have a wonderful holiday season. I’m looking forward to next season with you guys.

  5. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    It just seems like they sold too soon with Vizcaino. Yes, a lot can happen on the trail to the majors, but 19 is too young to tell what you have.

    This trade just moved the weakness from the rotation to the outfield. I’m not convinced that this move was the right one. Maybe its just the bad taste from the last go around. Time will tell.

  6. Anthony Murillo December 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    I would much rather have our weakness be in the outfield rather than our Starting Pitching.

  7. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Abda
    You have to prioritize somewhere.
    The feeling is, it’s easier to find a LFer than a frontline SP.
    This guy gives you 200 inngs per and is only relied on to be our #4.
    You remember the last time we went into the season with two young starters.

  8. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Though I regret the loss of Vizcaino, I know it was good trade, and absolutely scotchguarded our rotation going into `10.

  9. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    CB
    December 23rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    “If Cash and Hal are truly letting the perception that other teams and the media will have about them signing him get in the way, then they are not the people I think they are.”

    The team made commitments if close to 450M last winter alone.

    I don’ t think perception was too big a concern.

    When asked how he would respond to people saying that the yankees “bought” the world series Cashman said, “they can call us what they want, but they’ll have to call us winners.”

    I think the Yankees are done paying significantly over market contracts.

    ARod was the swan song on stupidity – and that move is probably why Hank is no longer involved.

    They gave Tex a huge deal – but they paid the market price.

    I think this is part budget and part principle. Holliday doesn’t have much of a market and the team simply isn’t going to pay 30%-50% more than the going market rate.

    I don’t think the yankees have a problem with paying players very fairly. I think they have a problem now with being stupid.

    If it’s true that Holliday wants to play for the yanks, at this point in time, Holliday needs the yankees more than they need him.

    They’ve assembled a team that looks like it’ll win around 97 games in the AL East – and that’s with a replacement level player in LF.

    If Holliday is willing to take the going market rate from the yanks maybe something could be worked out. But it’s probably his choice.

    He has the opportunity to be part of a dynasty. That’s what Cash and Hal are putting together. The rest of baseball is in big trouble because for the first time in a long time the yankees are using their resources in an intelligent fashion.

    And what they are doing is targeting either elite talent or very strong players that have diverse skill sets they value that are signed to good deals.

    The issue with Holliday is that the team probably sees him somewhere in between those two categories so it’s all going to depend on price.

    And it looks like it’s very unlikely that the yankees price and holliday’s will converge in time for potential resources to be allocated to him at a market rate.
    =================================

    Catching up on what I’ve missed all afternoon – CB, great post. I agree with all of it.

  10. S.o.S. December 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    GB7,
    If your still out there. On second thought. Try your usual miss spelled words and see if that clears the filter.

  11. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    I would rather have seen Joba and Hughes both starting than trading away a kid with so much potential before its even known what he might have, and trading away a player who could at least cover left field.

    I have doubts about Javy making the transition back to the AL, and it was a costly trade that might have closed the door to an upgrade in left field.

    One of Hughes or Joba will have their role possibly decided by this move where they will be in the relief role, and might never have a chance to show they can start. At best it stunts the development of the one who loses out on the rotation slot.

    If Hughes misses out he will be two seasons behind in his development as a starter. If Joba loses the slot he may forever have lost the opportunity to be a starter diminishing the larger value and potential.

    The ramifications of this trade have probably shaped the rest of their careers, and that might not be for the best use of their talent.

  12. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Phil, ok thanks – I’m sorry. That’s true about Boras doing what his clients want…….but first the clients have to make clear what they want. I’ve no idea where Matt Holliday wants to play – maybe he’s not even sure himself.

    Either way, I suppose the Yankees could go into the season if they had to with BG in left, but I really don’t think they believe he is an everyday player. Of course, there’s no reason to rush.

  13. Neil December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    There was no likelihood that Ben Sheets or Justin Dushscherer would throw 200 innings or pile up the strikeouts that Javy Vasquez’s career shows he will likely do.
    As patient as Cashman can be, he wasn’t interested in waiting until sometime in January to see if Sheets or Dushscherer were available. Cashman wasn’t going to think twice about signing a known quantity that he never wanted to part with in 2005 in order to get Randy Johnson.

  14. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I think the Yankees are done paying significantly over market contracts.

    ARod was the swan song on stupidity – and that move is probably why Hank is no longer involved.
    ============================================================
    CB

    If the economy had tanked before the Arod deal, it probably wouldn’t have been made.

  15. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    As long as they don’t hire a LF, Holliday has a chance.

  16. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    abda

    How many times have the Yanks hyped their prospects only to trade them away to the highest bidder?

    IMO we can’t take the chance on Joba and Phil at the expense of the team. We still have that “win now” attitude even though we are on a “budget.”

    Also, maybe they know something we don’t re: Mo and are to groom Joba for his job.
    I can see Phil as our 5th starter.

  17. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Aba, I’m not sure how I feel about giving up Viz – he is a long way away and the Yankees do have other very good prospects. Who knows? Banuelos, etc…might improve a great deal in the next year or two. Also, the Yankees have a very good scouting department – hopefully they can find another gem like Vizcaino.

    I do agree with you about Phil and Joba…….I’m not saying I wouldn’t have made the trade, but if Phil is a set up guy, then yes – he is 2 years behind and it’s a huge waste of material. Cash loves him, so he really needs to seriously consider sending him to AAA or making him the long man. Maybe – let him be a 2/3 inning pitcher leading to Mo. I’m not sure what a loss of the rotation spot would mean for Joba, but then I don’t think he’ll lose the spot. He’s got too much of an advantage over Phil in terms of development.

  18. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    mick, there was a different mix of pitchers the last time two young arms were given rotation slots. There are a lot of teams out there that have done very well with having multiple young arms as starters on their teams.

    Its two years on from that point now, as well. Two years and Hughes still hasn’t completed a season of starting.

    Javy might work out very well. I still would have preferred seeing the young pitchers have their shot. This is also just a one year rental, so it doesn’t solve the rotation for anything more than possibly one season, and a decent player in Melky is gone, a high ceiling young pitcher isn’t given any chance to show what he can do is gone, and a lefty reliever who is better than Boone is gone. If the Yankees don’t win the championship the reward for that is two draft picks. Maybe. If Cashman offers arbitration, which he hasn’t done for two years now.

  19. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Doreen, was it in 2004 that Rivera’s cousins were electrocuted in his swimming pool just before that ALCS started?

  20. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    “If the economy had tanked before the Arod deal, it probably wouldn’t have been made.”

    If the Steinbrenners would have listened to Cash, the deal would have been smaller, and A-Rod would have had to rebate Texas’ subsidy to the Yankees in order to get a deal done.

  21. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    GB7,

    From the last thread – thanks for the heads up on the montero interview/ clips.

    Do you happen to remember which thread you posted it in? I’d like to take a look.

    What a talent.

    One of my favorite stories about Montero is one you told.

    You were watching a game with someone you described as a “real old timer” (old timer for you – who was he? Moses?) and I think the two of you watched Montero hit a ball 450 feet in Charleston in some trees way past the wall.

    And the fellow you were watching the game with said in the 50-60 years he’d been watching baseball in Charleston he’s only seen two players hit a ball where Montero did.

    Those two were – Montero and the other – Mantle.

  22. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    I’ll regret the loss of Vizcaino less if they sign Chapman.

  23. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Abda

    If Andy and Javy are gone in 2011, we can make a bid for Lee and others with that money.

    This is still NY, so to sacrifice today for what may be when the ceiling is Melky, a reliever and a prospect, I say do it.

    Again, Phil probably gets the #5 spot, if he wants it, he seemed relaxed in the pen and Joba could be closing soon.

  24. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Betsy

    “Either way, I suppose the Yankees could go into the season if they had to with BG in left, but I really don’t think they believe he is an everyday player. Of course, there’s no reason to rush.”

    Who was the starting CF last yr?

    I’m not saying Gardner will be in LF but he was the starting CF last year.

  25. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    GreenBeret7, Yeah, it was 2004 that happened.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=1898875

  26. randy l. December 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    looking back is kind of fun:

    December 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    “i’d still take Beckett-Lester-Matsuzaka-Masterson over any rotation in baseball”- red sox fan

    “where you going to take them, third place ?”- randy l.

    well, i was wrong about third place for that red sox rotation, but not wrong that it was overrated by red sox fans.

    seriously , since cashman signed teixeira last december, the yankees have been one major move ahead of the red sox and it has no changed to this day.

    the yankees were the better team on paper last christmas and this christmas is no different.

    yes there is some tweaking to do, but Javier Vazquez?

    wow, another solid addition.

    i’m a little puzzled why the mood of the blog isn’t happier. it’s christmas time and yankee fans have granderson and vazquez under their tree.

    i was almost giddy last year at this time and said i was very uncomfortable in being so happy what cashman had done in signing teixeira , sabathia , and burnett.

    this year is similar with granderson and vazquez .

    he yankees like last year are for all practical purposes already in the postseason.

    the big question like last year is how far they’ll go.

    if the stars line up again, it’ll be two in a row.

  27. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    CB, I can repost it, though it’s all on Youtube.com under Jesus Montero. On the right side.

  28. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    mick, Lee will cost the salary of Andy and most if not all of Javy’s. That still leaves an open rotation slot with very few dollars (if they are serious about the budget) to get another starter.

    If Joba doesn’t make it as a starter, I wouldn’t be betting on him being the “next closer”.

  29. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Lee will cost the salary of Andy and most if not all of Javy’s.

    Yes, but they can backload the deal.

  30. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    I’m not saying Gardner will be in LF but he was the starting CF last year

    _________

    And couldn’t keep the job, Melky ended up beating him out for that role and Gardner was on the bench.

  31. dee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Word is Boston might make Bay another offer.
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....offer.html

  32. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    I highly recommend that article by Frankie Piliere that Chad Linked to above. Piliere does a very good job of breaking down players and writes about them well as a former scout.

    Here was his take on Vazquez:

    “In perhaps the best year of his career in 2009, he became a different pitcher. The season wasn’t a fluke. There were real changes made in his game that took him to another level. He used the slider more than he ever did in his first go-around with the Yankees and mixed the change-up much more effectively. Vazquez threw fewer fastballs in 2009, and in turn was a much more complete pitcher.

    If he can maintain those adjustments in 2010, there is no reason he shouldn’t enjoy success back in New York. He has four legitimate pitches to turn to and he should be slightly less prone to the home run now that he is less reliant on the fastball and 12-6 curveball. Don’t expect the dazzling ERA from 2009 to carry over to the heavy-hitting AL East, and he will give up his share of home runs, but regardless, the Yankees are getting a vastly improved, healthy, and experienced pitcher. He also will be asked to only carry a share of the load given the outstanding depth of the Yankee pitching staff.”

    “In doing so [trading for Vazquez], the Yankees give themselves nearly unmatched quality depth in their starting rotation, as they can go four deep with Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Vazquez. The fifth starter, whether it’s Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, sure doesn’t look bad either. ”

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/1.....h-vazquez/

  33. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Randy, I think people are upset because they hate to see favorite players go…….Vasquez? I think he’s taken way too much of the blame for 2004, but that is all people remember about him

  34. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    randy

    If you read the Boston sites they make it sound like the Yankees are making moves to keep up with the RS. :lol:

    RS fans are starting to sound like the pre 04 ones now. Complaining about the money and think there shound be a salary cap.

  35. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    CB, yeah, I can’t wait to get to the park and hear more of his stories. He’s a yankee lover, but, mainly just loves baseball. he’d tell stories about the late 40s yanks of DiMaggio coming through and of Bob Feller. great stuff.

  36. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Abda

    You sound worried about this team and the future.

    Really dude this is not the time, Don’t worry be happy!

    Wear your Yanks Champs 09 shirts proud and rock on.

    We are in good hands.

  37. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    CB, I’ll check that out right away. LOL I’m so excited for 2010…….and it’s not that far away.

  38. Raphy December 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Vasquez’s on year- off year – on year – off year pattern concerns me. Still a good trade, though

  39. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    GB, if I come down to Savannah again, will you tell me stories of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig?

  40. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Abdababdaserser
    December 23rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
    I’m not saying Gardner will be in LF but he was the starting CF last year

    _________

    And couldn’t keep the job, Melky ended up beating him out for that role and Gardner was on the bench.

    ————————————————

    Read the whole post and you will see the point I was making.

  41. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    The Red Sox are supposedly looking into making an offer again to Bay? Its on MLBTradeRumors.

    Seems to me they are not real confident in their team as constructed. If they do sign Bay, expect a trade using Ellsbury.

  42. Lost in Holliday-in December 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    What happens if we lose one of our big bats due to injury? How will a mediocre LF look then?

    When your big bats are mostly considered ‘aged’ or in some cases ‘fragile’.. Do you think we still can compete?

    There is no doubt in my mind that we need a clutch player that hits for average and has power.

    Boras doesn’t have to move at all right now, he knows he can get 5/85 from a handful of teams at any time.. it’s when this handful starts filling their holes is when Boras’s hand may get forced.

    Ironically, nobody’s moving :-)

    If Bay would just take his years from the mets already and Derosa needs to sign.. (I personally do not want to see derosa on the yanks)

    I hope this doesn’t turn into a “we could’ve had Holliday..” but it is possible.

  43. giambimustachesquad December 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    I am pretty sure that the Vazquez trade is just a smokescreen by Cash to hide his true intention: to sign Holliday, his clear Plan A since he re-signed with the Yankees following the 07 season. Its obvious that the Granderson acquisition was just a way to get Holliday’s attention. It let him know that once he signs with the Yankees, he’ll get to play catch with a quality personality like Granderson between innings (swish will obviously be forced to throw to the bat boy).

  44. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    i’m a little puzzled why the mood of the blog isn’t happier. it’s christmas time and yankee fans have granderson and vazquez under their tree.
    ================================================
    Randy
    As am I.
    Maybe they haven’t lived through years of failure like some of us. Maybe a little spoiled?

  45. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    GB7 -

    I believe so. He had to fly to Panama to take care of the funerals.

    I know Mo is the consummate professional, but one can’t help but wonder what affect that had on him.

  46. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    “He used the slider more than he ever did in his first go-around with the Yankees and mixed the change-up much more effectively.”

    Apparently, his changeup was improved in Atlanta:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....lications/

    “Scouts believe Vazquez’s changeup improved a lot with Atlanta last season, giving him a second swing-and-miss pitch to go with his curveball. When he wants to throw 94 miles an hour, he can, but his fastball is generally around 91. And he competes.”

  47. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Betsy propositioning GB.

  48. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    It does hurt a bit to read how talented Vizcaino is…..

  49. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    mick, not unhappy, I am not a fan of this particular trade. I was underwhelmed when it was finally revealed, and am still not feeling that this was a great move.

    To me it sacrificed the future of at least one of the young arms to a lesser role for their career. I hope I’m wrong.

    I also included that 2004 and Javy’s role may be some of my misgivings.

    I think I’ve articulated pretty well the various reasons for me being against this, and its not just “I don’t like him”.

  50. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    “seriously , since cashman signed teixeira last december, the yankees have been one major move ahead of the red sox and it has no changed to this day.”

    randy,

    The organization with the combination of Hal and Cash is really firing on all cylinders right now.

    They are simply operating in a fashion that the red sox simply cannot execute at.

    Part of the is resources – but it goes much past that.

    The talent evaluation right now is absolutely pitch perfect. They are finally done trying to overpay for second tier guys and now are operating in ways which maximize their leverage.

    They are targeting, multi-dimensional players who excel both offensively and defensively.

    They are targeting pitchers that either strike a ton of hitters out and/or generate a ton of fly balls.

    Think back only two years ago to how unathletic the team was with that old roster. How poor they were defensively. How few bats the staff missed.

    In 2008 I believe the yankees had 3 starters younger than 31.

    In 2010 they will have 3 starters older than 31. That’s it.

    And the whole notion of the Red Sox being some model franchise run by geniuses is really breaking down.

    They are a good team and a good organization but the notion that they just had this endless supply of young talent they could leverage and sign to below market deals is proving to be a very incomplete evaluation.

    Every move the yankees are making adds more pieces to a larger strategic vision. Even small things like the Bruney trade to obtain Hoffman shows that they were likely thinking that they would use melky to beef up the pitching staff.

    Just really impressive stuff. They are getting the right players and the right kind of guys – CC, Granderson, Tex – just terrific talents and guys who are hard working and going to commit to winning.

  51. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Betsy, picture me sitting here, sticking my tongue out at you.

  52. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    The Atlanta guys said Javy’s change became a much better pitch this past year and they thought that was one of his keys.

    Montero is not only a rare talent, but he’s apparently a very good kid.

  53. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    randy l -

    I’m real happy that both acquisitions (Granderson & Vazquez) came via trade. Now, they may still sign Holliday, who knows? But in opposition to last season, trades just seem so much more creative.

    Oddly, if they sign Damon, because he was theirs to begin with, I wouldn’t consider that in the same vein as signing Holliday. the fact that Damon’s signing would involve a pay decrease instead of raise probably has something to do with my thinking as well.

  54. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    GB7,

    I’ll check out the links on youtube. Thanks. The interview he did a few months ago with Yes was very impressive.

    If he turns out to be what he looks to be, this team is going to be a juggernaut.

  55. DaSaint007 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Abda,

    If we repeat as WS Champs would you feel better?

  56. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    CB

    Can we use the word Dynasty ?

    At least , in the making.

  57. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    CB, I think that’s the same interview. He’s a real quiet kid, soft spoken. and just a really polite kid with the fans, at least in the SALLY and FSL

  58. blake December 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Lost-in,

    so do you think Boras is holding out hope that the Mets will bail him out? Also, how far will Boras have to come off of his demands before its enough for the Yankees in your estimation.

  59. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....-area.html

    Brian Cashman acknowledged today that outfield depth is “an area of concern” at the moment, saying “there’s some vulnerability there.” At the moment, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Brett Gardner and Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann are the only outfielders on the roster.

    But as Cashman stressed yesterday, don’t look for him to get involved with any of the big-name free agents, whether you’re talking about Matt Holliday, Jason Bay or even Johnny Damon.

    “We need to improve upon that. Can we? That’s the question,” Cashman said. “I was willing to sacrifice that depth for the opportunity to improve the 12-man pitching staff. We’ll see where this takes us. It won’t be a big-name situation, I can promise you that.”

    Cashman thinks the Yankees have a “more athletic, defense-oriented outfield,” though Granderson and Swisher certainly provide some power there, too.

    One player that won’t fit into the Yankees’ outfield plans? Nick Johnson, who played left field twice during an Interleague series against the Rockies in 2002. To say he looked bad out there would be incredibly kind.

    “I haven’t picked up an outfield glove since Colorado,” Johnson said. “I’ll be prepared to DH, get in a routine and go from there.”

    ***********

    Cash is highly attuned to the needs of his club…..He’ll replenish the OF depth, I have no doubt about it. His priorities are in order, for sure – OF or pitching? Pitching every time.

  60. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised, if assuming the Yanks want Holliday,
    they wrap it up tomorrow on xmas eve, with some crazy backloaded deal, maybe 4 years with an option.

    Crazier things have happened.

  61. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    “They are targeting pitchers that either strike a ton of hitters out and/or generate a ton of fly balls.”

    Actually, Cash has said their focus is on high K/high GB pitchers (Vazquez is an exception) because it neutralizes any offensive park factor at NYS.

  62. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Now you are talking sense, Betsy.

  63. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    mick,

    Dynasty in the making is premature until they win another ring.

    I’m more talking about intentions right now. Hal and Cash aren’t simply trying to win another title next year – that’s the goal but they really look to be putting together a team which will be able to excel for several years at the highest level.

    And then there’s Montero…

    It’s a tremendous foundation they’ve put down.

    PS. You might not enjoy Betsy’s posts – but I have to say, it’s really uninteresting reading people bash her as well rather than making posts discussing baseball. Just skip her posts.

  64. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I completely trust Cash – it’s a good feeling to have. Joe and Evan on WFAN were talking about the Wilpons/Minaya tonight. Evan said that he didn’t think they were cheap, rather they have no clue as to what they are doing, and he emphasized (correctly so) that it’s a harsher judgment on the Mets to be looked at as incompetent. Jason Bay doesn’t want to play for the Mets………why would anyone want to? Their image is in tatters. It’s not about the injuries last year, it’s a culmination of things. The Mets are a 2nd class organization – their treatment of Willie was about as low as you can go. Do players really want to commit to spending their prime years there?

  65. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    CB
    See my last post.

  66. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Another reason for getting Vazquez is that he provides a high number of IP. They think that CC, AJ, and Pettitte had to carry a disproportionate load last season, and they wanted to ensure that the load would be more evenly spread out this season.

  67. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    DaSaint, to a point. If Joba never gets a full shot at being a starter (without the rules and innings limits) or Hughes is reduced to being a bullpen pitcher without ever having the chance to start for a season, then its almost a pyrrhic victory.

    Hey, I wasn’t a fan of Girardi being named manager, still not a fan of it, but that didn’t stop me from celebrating the WS victory. (Not that I think Torre should still be manager for the Yanks either.)

  68. beaneater December 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    “If you read the Boston sites they make it sound like the Yankees are making moves to keep up with the RS.”

    so why then are they revisiting jason bay?

  69. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    I deserved that, GB, lol. How are you feeling?

  70. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    The Charleston manager, Torre Tyson is a fine young manager. They do need to add a couple of coaches to help, though…especially infield and outfield coaches. tyson’s going to be good, though in the ML.

  71. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    mick,

    Dynasty in the making is premature until they win another ring.

    I’m more talking about intentions right now. Hal and Cash aren’t simply trying to win another title next year – that’s the goal but they really look to be putting together a team which will be able to excel for several years at the highest level.
    =============================================
    CB
    Isn’t what you just described the exact definition of what a dynasty is?

  72. RonH December 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Hi All,

    First, best of holidays to you and yours!

    As most of you know I don’t post much, but have read diligently since day one.

    Thanks to all for your great comments, especially to Lost and SJ for their inside knowledge and to the likes of GB (be well!), CB, Phil the Thrill and many others for their meaningful comments.

    I am solidly in the camp of signing Holliday. It makes too much sense (need a RH bat, need a LF, need a 5 hole hitter). I also agree with those that Crawford will decline sooner as his legs are his greatest asset.

    I hope Boras and Holliday see the light as I believe Lost when he seems to indicate the Yanks like and see the sense of signing Holliday.

    Here’s my main question though. Aside from not knowing if Crawford will resign with TB, wants the NYY or prefers another team, who will hit in the 5 hole and protect A-Rod in 2011 even if Crawford is signed? Even if Montero is on the club, will he be ready for such an assignment?

    Again, best of the holidays to all!

  73. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Hey, I wasn’t a fan of Girardi being named manager, still not a fan of it, but that didn’t stop me from celebrating the WS victory.
    ===============================
    abda

    who should be managing the yanks?

  74. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Question to anyone that knows.

    What role did Omar play in Montreal when they were developing all that young talent that they always traded away?

  75. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    “When your big bats are mostly considered ‘aged’ or in some cases ‘fragile’.. Do you think we still can compete?”

    Lost,

    It’s a good question. In general I do think fans tend to underestimate risk and also the impact of age on potential performance.

    And the fact remains that 3 of the 4 best bats on the team are 34 or over and two of the three have had major injuries over the past two years.

    I do think they’ve built in some slack capacity to hedge against injury related underperformance by the offense through the acquisition of Vazquez.

    But they really should upgrade LF. My personal preference would be for them to sign Holliday as the represents a strong value at a position where 1) talent is down across baseball; 2) They are exceedingly thin in the minors.

    But that really is going to depend on price.

    If Bay would sign with the Mets the market would have to start moving – but clearly he doesn’t want to do that.

    I could see him going back to Boston.

    By the way – any insight into why the Sox aren’t interested in Holliday? I can’t believe they didn’t make a stronger run at him – he fits perfectly into their organizational philosophy at a position of need.

  76. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Betsy, I’m doing fine. Still miss my cigarettes, but, 19 days and rolling. Thanks for asking.

  77. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    10 days and rolling…my mistake.

  78. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    CB, thanks. I have a thick skin…..but I’m not particularly happy reading those posts either. I could be the world’s worst poster here. In fact, I’m sure I would win if we had a contest – well, at least I’d be a winner, lol

  79. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Betsy, just take it as constructive criticism, not personally.

  80. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    “Isn’t what you just described the exact definition of what a dynasty is?”

    mick,

    Gotta win at least two rings in a short period of time before you even start with the dynasty in the making coversation, IMO.

    It’s just too hard to win a ring. It really is. On paper this will likely be the best team in baseball headed into the season, but it really wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t win it all.

    So much has to go right. The late 1990′s teams were such an anomaly.

    At this point in time, I think we can say that the organizational goals and intentions are likely to try to recreate a dynasty – but that still has to materialize on the field and that’s extremely difficult, especially playing in the AL East. Competition in the division is much better than it was in the late 1990′s.

  81. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    GB, that’s fantastic! I swear, it’s the best thing. I’ve never smoked…..for which I’m very glad. I have no tolerance for cigarette smoke – I can’t handle the smell. My brother is now the only one who smokes in our family and it disturbs me a great deal. If he quits now, his lungs will bounce back……..but there is a point of no return after which even quitting won’t help.

    Keep up the good work – every day without smoking is a victory.

  82. Boston Dave - XXVII December 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    I hadn’t yet heard this about Jamie Hoffman, who the Yanks picked up from the Rule 5 draft:

    “Hoffmann has been named by Baseball America as the best defensive outfielder in the Dodgers’ minor league chain four years running.”

  83. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    CB, not arguing with the point you made about how the Yankees are currently being rebuilt, but isn’t it also part of the cycle that teams will go through?

    With players getting a number of years on their contracts eventually the players get older. The hope is that they will remain effective throughout the length of the contract, but that didn’t happen with the Yankees recently.

    I think in putting together a team you need veteran and young together in enough to offset too many getting “old” at one time.

    The Red Sox are caught just like the Yankees recently were. Ortiz, Lowell, Veratek, Wakefield aged pretty quickly this past year especially, and it somewhat handcuffed them.

  84. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    We’re really using the “D” word. Seriously?

  85. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Anybody notice the Angels picked up Fernando Rodney today.

    Leave it to them to recoup, now they make their lefty the setup man.

  86. Bronx Jeers December 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    And now a short holiday reading from the book…

    HOLY COW! The Selected Verse Of Phil Rizzuto

    These Heaters

    They’re no good
    Because at my height
    It goes over my head
    And hits the guy in back of me.

    I mean…

    They were not built,
    These heaters were not built
    For normal human beings
    They were built for people like Seaver.

    April 27, 1992
    Texas at New York
    Scott Sanderson pitching to Geno Petrali
    Fourth inning, one out, one base runner
    Yankees lead 3-1

  87. Steve December 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Vazquez is a solid pitcher. I doubt there is another team in baseball that can match up well with their #4 against Vazquez. Cashman has built a solid rotation 1-4 and we have several options for #5. I think Hughes will be the #5 with Gaudin or Aceves as insurance to keep Hughes innings down.

    Joba goes to the pen in set up role. I am a little concerned about pen depth and the fact that Mo is 40. We need Robertson and Melancon to come up big in 2010. Ace is valuable in the Ramiro Mendoza role. Marte looked great in playoffs. If he carries that into 2010 then he is a solid part of pen. I think we need another arm in pen but it looks to me that Cash will focus on system for more arms.

    For LF, I doubt that we go with Gardner as our #1 option. I think we will end up with Byrd and Gardner will be the #4 OF. Hoffman may stick and will be slotted in RF as part timer and probably a little DH if he shows a major league bat.

  88. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Mick, I don’t think I deserve a lot of the criticism. Frankly, from Miggs it’s not even criticism, it’s outright hatred. In any case, I have enough stuff in real life to deal with. I come here to hang out with my friends and talk Yankee baseball. If people don’t like me, I can’t help that…..I believe in being myself. If my posts are emotional or knee-jerk, it’s not hurting anyone. That’s my personality…..for better or for worse.

  89. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    “Still miss my cigarettes, but, 19 days and rolling. ”

    GB7,

    You should be very proud of yourself! You really should. People generally say it’s that first month that’s a real bear.

    Keep at it!

  90. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    CB

    I never heard much talk at all about the RS and Holliday.

    One reason I think is their relationship seemed to sour with Boras after the Tex. negotiations last year.

    It also looks like their payroll is posibly getting to high for that contract.

    I thought I read their payroll was around 170mil but I’m not sure.

  91. blake December 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    According to mlbtraderumors the Sox are having to consider expanding their budget to offer Bay again, I’m guessing thats why they haven’t pursued Holliday.

  92. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    I have said this before but IF Phil and Joba went to the pen and say Gaudin were the 5th starter….how could we lose?

    Imagine Phil in the 7th, Joba the 8th then Mo.

  93. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    “Actually, Cash has said their focus is on high K/high GB pitchers (Vazquez is an exception) because it neutralizes any offensive park factor at NYS.”

    Rich,

    I’ve heard him say that but I also think there’s some posturing and mind games there.

    I think they made an organizational commitment to pitchers with those skill sets even before they knew how the new stadium would play.

    I think that was a lot of the reason why AJ Burnett was signed and why Hughes and Joba weren’t traded.

  94. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Rich, the Yankees were so concerned about the workload, that they told AJ, CC and Andy to delay their off-season throwing programs.

    See article:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....hDLxy72tmI

    The Yankees had been worried enough about the postseason workload endured by CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Andy Pettitte that pitching coach Dave Eiland already had ordered them to push the start of their offseason throwing programs back a few weeks with more precautions due in spring training.

  95. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    CB

    That makes sense, but I do think they are prioritizing GB pitchers over FB pitchers.

  96. MTU December 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Lost-
    I hope you saw my post to you on the prior thread.

    Due to the statement below:

    “I hope this doesn’t turn into a “we could’ve had Holliday..” but it is possible.”

    I am feeling a real sense of foreboding ,and the makings of a real life Greek tradgedy for the reasons I outlined ealier.

    Reading your post I sense a certain amount of pessimism showing through.

    If I am right in my asessment you aren’t alone. I share it too.

    It’s so strange with the season upon us. I am sure some of us were hoping for a repeat of the Tex magic from last year.

    I sure know I was hoping for that.

    At any rate, I have not become totally pessimistic because their is still hope no matter how small that this outcome you mentioned above can still be avoided.

    Hoping for an “X” factor, and keepin the faith until the last domino falls.

    Merry Xmas and thanks.

  97. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    CB

    Would you say that some of your concerns about the make up of this roster is the risk of trying to compete while trying to rebuild?

  98. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    CB, maybe I should be proud of it, but, right now, i’m at my brother’s in Ft Myers. I put a sign on my door, “Don’t “F” with me. I need a cigarette”. He just laughs and tells me about how great it tastes. I’m gonna choke him.

  99. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Betsy, I’m glad you finally responded, I mean no harm, but sometimes you are annoying(right?)…if you tone it down a little I actually like to read your posts (I know you don’t believe that but why would I lie?)…sometimes its like you should be typing in CAPS and you know how annoying that is…keep taking your meds or at least start :)…things will be alright, you don’t have to try so hard.

  100. AT December 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    This has nothing to do with Javy but leave Brett Gardner in Center or Left Field. He batted .270, an on base of .345, 26 walks and 40 strikeouts. Speed and defense in the outfield is what needed. The lineup is deep enough to carry someone who hit .270 in the nine hole.

    Let Gardner play!!

  101. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Betsy

    Spot on. Thanks.

  102. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    “not arguing with the point you made about how the Yankees are currently being rebuilt, but isn’t it also part of the cycle that teams will go through?”

    Abda,

    There’s definitely a cyclical component to it. But I also think the team is trying to counteract that cycle by diversifying the talent base and the overall age of the team.

    By the normal cycle you are describing, the team should have never won the WS in 2009.

    2008 was clearly the year when that cohort of players just fell of the cliff so to speak in terms of performance due to age/ limited athleticism.

    Normally, after a year like that the team would go into a period of decline because it would take time to replenish the talent base.

    But that didn’t happen. Instead they regenerated into a much mroe diversified team.

    One of the things that’s different now is that the team has an older core but very good younger pitching.

    The young pitching will hopefully gain experience as the core ages but will then be able to function as the support for the next run of excellence.

    So I think the diversification they’ve pulled off the past two years goes against that usual cycle of decline and regeneration.

    Or at least i think that’s the organizations goal.

  103. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    It’s very hard to win a WS since the advent of the wild card……IMO, what the recent dynasty did was more impressive than what the Yankees of the 1950′s did because they had to navigate the minefield that is the ALDS and ALCS. The AL East is truly brutal and it’s not going to get any easier once the Jays and O’s kids start developing.

  104. RalphieD (OPPC) December 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    i understand the desire to go get another left fielder but..

    Jeter
    johnson
    tex
    arod
    grandy
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    gardner

    is still the best lineup in the game bar none….sure it would be nice to get a better left fielder but gardner is NOT the absolute garbage some people make him out to be..nor is he on the brink of stardom…but why cant he be solidly average offensively with good defense and great speed? is this not allowed on the yankees?

  105. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    “Would you say that some of your concerns about the make up of this roster is the risk of trying to compete while trying to rebuild?”

    Maine,

    That’s a lot of it. They very well might be making moves with Phil and Joba that maximize their short term probability of winning while hurting their long term probability of winning because of how those two kids are being developed.

    Much has been made of the “joba rules” etc. and its’ impact on his development. But the arm that really has been jerked around absurdly was Brandon Marrow who the M’s just traded.

    Marrow talks about the impact that switching roles had on him – it’s an interseting read – linked at the bottom.

    I could see the similar difficulties coming up with Montero on how to balance his bat and his glove.

    It’s a very difficult dynamic they are trying to create.

    That’s why players between 25-30 are so critical for them to have during this transition period. They take the load off the older veterans while taking the pressure off of the younger players.

  106. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    GB, eat some carrots (which I hate, by the way) or something…….suck a lollipop, get a punching bag and take out your frustrations. I swear, you’re going to make it.

  107. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    CB, Glad you’re here….I just came back from a Christmas gathering at my Golf Club, and as always there’s local ballplayers from past as well as current…..A old friend who has ties to the Angel organization let me in on a few items that have taken place so far this offseason and a few things that are in the works……I cannot address those particulars, however I can speak on the events that took place a few weeks ago…….During the Angels organizational meetings, the club was looking to replace Big Daddy Vladdy……The first name on the list was Matsui…..Skipper Mike S. ( who has alot of juice in player development and acquisitions ) made clear the fisrt item of business was to do everything posible to ink Godzilla……When they intitiated the call they were told that The NY Yankees wanted him back however they had a few other items to resolve first due to economic plan that was in place…..At that same time, the Yanks inquired about a righthanded OF fof the Halos…..Angels place a call to Art Tellum with an offer and within an hour or so Matsui agrees to a contract…….Brian Cashman and the NY Yankees were not perparded for his departure at all…..Nick Johnson was a last minute option, and they wooed him by matching the Giants offer of 2 years ( 2nd year a mutual option ) …It seems that Damon was the player the Yanks had planned to let go…..

  108. AT December 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    RalphieD (OPPC) December 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    i understand the desire to go get another left fielder but..

    Jeter
    johnson
    tex
    arod
    grandy
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    gardner

    is still the best lineup in the game bar none….sure it would be nice to get a better left fielder but gardner is NOT the absolute garbage some people make him out to be..nor is he on the brink of stardom…but why cant he be solidly average offensively with good defense and great speed? is this not allowed on the yankees?
    ———————————————–

    Thank You for someone else sees the light. Why spend millions when the Yankees already have that type of player that they are paying peanuts on?

  109. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Jeter
    johnson
    tex
    arod
    grandy
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    gardner
    =============================
    I would move Posada to 5th and bat Grandy 2nd vs rightys.

  110. Abdababdaserser December 23rd, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    CB, That was my thoughts as well. If you spread the age groupings out a bit it can help to mitigate the aging of the players. The contract length can play a role in that as well. Though its hard to know which players will show sudden decline.

    That is some of what the RS are going through. Ortiz, Lowell and Veratek, add in losing Manny and their tough time getting a short stop. I think its why they were hesitant on signing Bay.

  111. Laura - Have the catchers and pitchers reported yet? December 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Why did SEA trade Morrow to TOR? Wasn’t he their version of Joba?

  112. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    The Yankees are going to hurt their long term future if they don’t quit jerking Joba around or putting Phil in the pen.

    Our older players just defy father time, constantly – it’s amazing.

    Mick, I don’t think I’m annoying – and I’m sorry if you do. I don’t know what makes me different than anyone else…I’m not sure how to respond to your post. I really don’t want to get into an argument with you…….

  113. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Pat,

    you think the Yanks wanted to bring back Juan Rivera?

  114. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    I’m just going with my gut, but I like the idea of working in a young player or two every year. Cervelli should be a fine backup. I’m less positive about Pena – I would much rather re-sign Hinske as I don’t think Pena can hit, despite his small sample size last year. Of course, these are just backups, but still. The team really took to them with enthusiasm last year……..Next up? Montero and Romine.

  115. Go Yanks December 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    GB,

    A good good friend of mine passed on about 10 years ago from throat cancer (heavy smoker).

    His wife, brother and I were his care takers in the final weeks of his life. Never having smoked (lucky), I did not realize until then how addictive smoking must be. Even watching someone they loved in pain, both the wife & brother still would go out for smoke breaks.

    10 days and counting – good job GI; keep on keeping on.

    USAF Retired (E-7, ’66 thru’88)

    ps – tried to get into the Army, but scored too high on the tests.

  116. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Betsy, I’ve got a punching bag, but he’s getting bigger than me. Actually, when I want a cigarette, i’ll taje a drink straw out of the box and chew on it for about 5 minutes and then throw it away. When I want another cigarette, I’ll get another straw.

  117. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Mick, I don’t think I’m annoying – and I’m sorry if you do. I don’t know what makes me different than anyone else…I’m not sure how to respond to your post. I really don’t want to get into an argument with you…….
    ==============================================
    Betsy,I know you don’t think you are but others do and that matters. Why would we get into an argument after I told you politely that if you just toned it down a little, your points will come across crystal clear.

  118. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Rivera has a contract through 2011:

    10:$4.25M, 11:$5.25M

    Pass.

  119. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    One other thing, it was fairly clear that the Angel Organization had seriuos concerns that John Lackey will be able 150 starts for the duration of his contract……He’s a horse, he wants the ball, but there is concerns….And he did not enjoy K-Rod’s company….

  120. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    “By the way – any insight into why the Sox aren’t interested in Holliday? I can’t believe they didn’t make a stronger run at him – he fits perfectly into their organizational philosophy at a position of need”
    ———————————————
    have no idea CB. Strange

  121. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Pat M, interesting stuff. I think the Yankees are very happy with NJ, though…….especially as he does not have a chronic condition (Matsui and his knees).

  122. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Pat M.,

    Thanks for the update and the info. Your sources with the angels were on the money last year with Tex.

    One question I do have is this – the angels have so many holes that were opening up this off season.

    And their first concern was DH?

    That seems like a very tenuous organizational plan.

    I love matsui, but the angels are going through massive change and don’t seem to be executing very well.

    How could their main priority not be to focus everything possible on getting Halladay, for example?

    Matsui will really help them if he’s healthy but that team’s run looks like it’s poised to end.

  123. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    LMAO. Go Yanks. It’s not that your scores were so high…it’s just we don’t have a need for bus drivers. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement.

  124. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    If that many people think I’m annoying, then maybe I should just leave……I can’t deal with this anymore and I’m starting to feel really badly. You tell me not to take it personally? Well it’s not that easy……and I’m very upset right now.

  125. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Pat M.,

    Also – it’s unfortunate that the yankees let matsui go in that fashion.

    Let’s hope Johnson works out.

  126. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Man, I just can take so much of Nets-Timberwolves etc…thank god for hot stove and baseball chit chat to get through the winter….Spring training in about 50 days….

  127. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    GB, that’s not a bad plan…..whatever it takes. It will get easier, you’ll see.

  128. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 23rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Jeter
    johnson
    tex
    arod
    grandy
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    gardner

    ralphie: yup. That lineup is crazy. Like the Gardner/double-leadoff

  129. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Betsy

    You’re fine. Keep posting.

    Other posters here need to chill.

  130. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Rich, thanks for that – I needed that.

  131. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Betsy,
    If you’re going to come in here screaming “I think this guy stinks” or “I hate this player” so much of the time and dish it out, then unfortunately you’ll have to learn to take the feedback. It’s an old story, nobody hates you and I thought you didn’t care anyway. Don’t get all sensitive on me now…

  132. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    mick

    Do you really feel compelled to respond to every post that upsets you? Sometimes it’s best to just let it go and let people be who they are.

  133. Bo Knows December 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Melky’s float just kept on going”

    Chuckle, Chortle, etc.

    Yep, Vazquez, Beltran, Vladdy – What could have been. I always maintained the Yankees came with a handicap – George S. And they laughed at Cashman as George’s gofer.

    Never underestimate little guys. Them terriers types are stubborn.

    Anyone feel sorry for Randy I? The poor guy is conflicted. He hasn’t ranted on Cash in months. And his latest post sounds gruntled. I can hear him grumbling back there. Rotten Roffers Sassafrass Snarkle mmmph—-

  134. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    What, because I don’t like Brett Gardner as a player? I never once said I hated anyone…..I don’t think he’s any good – is that a problem, having an opinion?

  135. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Rich
    Not many posts upset me.

  136. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Betsy,

    Thanks for the link to that Sherman article. That was a very interesting read and I missed it today.

    Is it just me or is Sherman getting to be a better baseball writer the past couple of years?

  137. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    “If you’re going to come in here screaming “I think this guy stinks” or “I hate this player” so much of the time and dish it out, then unfortunately you’ll have to learn to take the feedback. It’s an old story, nobody hates you and I thought you didn’t care anyway. Don’t get all sensitive on me now…”
    —————————————————
    I would like to meet Betsy in person :) Not bein sarcastic, betsy

  138. petea December 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    cabrera-dunn-vizcaino-jackson: thought to be traded at their peak value, (internally) not high on them.

  139. BigSix December 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Don’t leave, Betsy.

    Just believe more. Less doubt, more faith.

    You are a passionate, dedicated and devoted fan.
    You also seem like a very nice person.

    You help make this blog what it is.

    Stick around.

  140. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    CB, Toronto wanted just way too much from them….Also, they feel they have the pitching still…But I think they maybe lurking in the shadows for Bay…Juan Rivera is who they have to move & nobody wants Matthews….Also, had they signed Texeria last winter, they were going to offer Kendry Morales to the Yanks and Boston knowing that both clubs needed a firstbaseman…..Damon’s liability with the glove has downgraded his stock…….

  141. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Betsy, I’m done for now, like I said, meant no harm, maybe you should take it up with guys like miggs instead of me.

  142. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Pat M:

    Interesting re: Matsui. If true, that’s either a bad move by Cash (miscommunication) or a panic move by Tellem worried that the NYY were cutting ties w/Matsui & his market was limited.

  143. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    “Is it just me or is Sherman getting to be a better baseball writer the past couple of years?”

    There is a lot variability in his columns. One the one hand, he is often able to ignore the common (but usually wrong) wisdom, and write insightful stories, on the other, he can still say some really stupid stuff.

    I do, however, think he is a good reporter.

  144. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Here’s Montero’s Trenton Grand Slam. The sound is unmistakable. The July 1, 2009 interview is labled “Down on the farm”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  145. BigSix December 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    I want to know what everyone would do with Romine and Montero as GM.

    Keep both?

    How?

  146. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    “…It seems that Damon was the player the Yanks had planned to let go…..”

    I think a large part of he reason for that was pure economics. Apparently, Damon communicated through an intermediary that he wasn’t willing to accept a paycut. In this market, given his age, that meant that he wasn’t in their plans.

  147. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    “Toronto wanted just way too much from them….Also, they feel they have the pitching still…”

    If they think they have enough pitching then the angels are really having talent evaluation issues. I can see Toronto asking too much, but i can’t see how the angels think they have enough arms after losing lackey (and I agree that his health is a huge risk…)

    But the only way they have enough pitching is if Kazmir finally becomes the pitcher he potentially could be and that’s a huge if given his own health problems.

    Damon really seems to be in a mess of trouble. He very well may not be willing to see how much of a problem his defense is.

    Interesting stuff.

  148. BigSix December 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Pat – I think it’s Damons ARM which is more the liability, not the glove.

    Boras was wincing watching Johnny’s throws during the postseason.

  149. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    My take was that the Angels thinking was if the Yanks are looking for a righthand hitting of, then Cashman is keeping Matsui…..6.5 Million for a DH in this market isn’t bad when you consider what Cameron inked……The dollars are shrinking..Besides the White Sox were all over Matsui

  150. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    CB, you’re very welcome.

    Vinny -b, is that a date? LOL

    Big Six, thanks – I appreciate it.

  151. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    “I want to know what everyone would do with Romine and Montero as GM”
    —————————————————
    keep Montero. Let internal scouting determine Romine’s fate. With NYY thin at young position players, as a GM the preference would be to keep Romine. Or at the very least, keep him until his trade value is at peek

  152. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    GB
    Thanks for that Montero shot. I can’t wait for this guy!

  153. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    I see the word Rivera a little above.

    I am assuming that it is Juan Rivera that is being spoken of.

    Juan Rivera is a fat loafing slug, who has no business playing baseball.

    It is rather surprising when all a guy does is hit weak ground balls or ground into DPs against the Yankees, but that is what he did during the ALCS.

    The way he loafed after that ball that won the game after the umpire gave the 3-2 strike right down the middle to Nick Green ball 4 and tie game.

  154. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    If the Sox re-sign Bay, they are going for it and will give SD whatever they are asking for for AGone. That would not be good.

  155. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    “or a panic move by Tellem worried that the NYY were cutting ties w/Matsui & his market was limited.”

    Just a guess but I think Tellem saw what happened to the older veteran bats last year and decided that Matsui should take the money now and not take any chances.

    With a player of that stature, it would be very risky for him to wind up say on the Indians on a 3-4M deal or something like that given how many DH types were on the market this year.

  156. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Montero is a cornerstone player. He sticks no matter what. Romine needs to stay until they determine whether or not Montero can remain at catcher, unless they get an offer for Romine that they absolutely can’t refuse (which is unlikely).

  157. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Phil the Thrill

    Atlanta has a lot to offer for Gonzalez. I wouldn’t rule them out as his ultimate destination.

  158. 86w183 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    I find everyone on this blog annoying at one time or another and I’d be stunned if I don’t have that affect on plenty of people from time to time.

    I never make my criticism personal, because we don’t know each other as people. Nor do I take it personally when people take shots at me… Shoot I deserve it sometimes!

    Betsy… a blog is like a sport bar with individual booths making all interaction anonymous. When people take shots look at it, agree with it and change or disagree and fight back. If you enjoy this place why would you let one, two or a few critics drive you from it?

    It’s like I told friends who gave up on baseball in 1994. I love the game and will never let the idiots who run and game and screw it up take the game away from me.

  159. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    “Vinny -b, is that a date? LOL”
    —————————————–
    will let you pick the steak house

  160. sal December 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    SJ, Sam, CHad, or anyone who may know…

    Is there any discussion about possibly seeing what Jesus would look like in the OF?
    I know The Jays did it with Delgado when he first came up. Is it something Yankee Officials maybe discussing since he is blocked at first?

    And this has nothing to do with LF this season. Jesus needs more ABs in the minors.
    How serious are they about his future at Catcher?

  161. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    I wonder if the RS go for Bay, if that drives toward Holliday.
    Go for broke excuse.

  162. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Pat M

    With the rivalry between the two teams was that also a way for the Angels to inflict a little pain on the Yankees taking Matsui from them?

  163. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    I’ve already mentioned what I’d do with Romine. I’d move him to a corner outfield spot. He’s an impressive bat and has the footspeed. I’d hate for his ability to run the bases be lost.

  164. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    If Montero can stick at C, then Romine should be converted to an OF (per GB, he’s athletic enough). This would give us a young OF and, after Po is gone, if needed, he could be an emergency catcher (assuming Cervelli is the backup). I don’t think Romine should be traded just because he happens to play the same position as Montero. Talent is talent….it’s always good to have it.

  165. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Angels roll out Kazmir, Weaver, Saunders, Santana & Palmer ( who beat the Yanks in the Stadium last season )…..As much as I dilike the Angels and even more so than fans, they are a very well run organization……

  166. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t think the Sox would make Ellsbury a 4th OF, I think if they get Bay, they know what else they can do.

  167. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    CB,

    If that’s the case then Cash should’ve strongly reaffirmed to Tellem “look, he’s definitely in our plans, just sit tight until we straighten out a few other issues (e.g.- Damon) first”.

    The other deciding factor seems to have been the LAA willingness, at least for now, to have Matsui play OF 1 or 2x/week. Cash slammed that door shut.

  168. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    86, I may or may not take a break from posting. I’m not trying to get people to say “stay, stay”, but I also don’t like feeling that I annoy people.

  169. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Phil

    Ellsbury isn’t much better than Melky/Gardner. I don’t understand the allure.

  170. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    CB

    One more reason I think the RS aren’t looking at Holliday is the number of years he’s looking for.

    Some were suprised they were willing to go 5 years for Lackey.

  171. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Angels roll out Kazmir, Weaver, Saunders, Santana & Palmer ( who beat the Yanks in the Stadium last season )…..As much as I dilike the Angels and even more so than fans, they are a very well run organization……
    ====================================================
    Pat M….and they are never out of it…they picked up Fernando Rodney today and will move their lefty to setup…they will still be in the thick of things

  172. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Cash obviously had a problem with Matsui’s knees – and why not? They’re shot…..

  173. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    If they are as good as advertised, I keep both. One for C and one for corner OF.

    If Omar loses Bay to RS, I give Holliday about 48 hrs. to be a NYY. That would be the catalyst that would push Cash & Hal over the finish line.

  174. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    “If the Sox re-sign Bay, they are going for it and will give SD whatever they are asking for for AGone. That would not be good.”

    They might make a run, but I just don’t see them having some inside track.

    Like Rich said – Atlanta desperately needs Gonzalez. And they have the bullets to get him.

    If Atlanta ever put Heyward on the table that would be the end of the discussion. The Red Sox could not match that player.

    Atlanta could also offer up Freddie Freeman as the next 1b in San Diego along with Julio Teheran and/ or Arodys.

    Texas could also put together a huge package.

  175. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Betsy

    Who here (or anywhere) doesn’t annoy people?

  176. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    A poster on NYYFans posted this – take it with a grain of salt?
    **

    Gammons was on WEEI an hour or so ago. Basic rundown (his words, not what I believe)

    1. DiceK is in amazing shape. He was embarrassed last year and said the negative things about the RS trainers to save face in Japan. This year he is in great shape.
    2. Boras does great things from prospects. He encourages their training at a great facility, will work with teams about moving their position or whatever… and that Boras is very fair and long term looking with players at that stage. He was referring partially to Ellsbury possibly going to LF.
    3. Doesn’t know what Texas was thinking backing out of the Lowell trade… Lowell will be ready this year and his hip should be improved. Possibly platoon DH.
    4. Said Kochman had amazing MiLB #s and could still become a top tier MLB first baseman.

  177. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Betsy, there’s no reason for you to leave or “take a break”. If Mick or the others feel the need to hammer an annoyance, there’s a couple on here that need it. The conspiracy theorist being one.

  178. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Pete Abe was on a call to the local sports radio the other day and from reading between the lines it sounded like the RS might be looking to trade Ellsbery.

  179. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t either, but there seems to be a market.

    CB,

    I know a lot of people thought we couldn’t get Granderson cause others would put together bigger offers. Come to think of it, we beat the Angels for both Grandy and Javy. Interesting. Last year we beat them for CC and Tex and the American League Pennant. Anyway, there’s a certain weirdness about Theo negotiating with his former assistants in SD.

  180. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Imagine this:
    The RS get Bay and AGon.
    Bay 1st….We pounce on Holliday…they get AGon.

    Postseason over.
    Let’s play.

  181. m December 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Pat m,

    Thanks for the inside dope (does this make it thru the filter). I don’t know you from…well, from Pat m, but it certainly makes sense.

    They took care of DH first because they knew there was a good chance that the Yankees could sign Hideki the moment they decided that’s what they wanted to do. Unfortunately for us, and fortunately for them, Cashman wasn’t prepared to do it at the time.

    Of course they’d want to secure a DH that could give them 30-35 HR. I think Hideki was the best DH on the market and one that might not stick around long if his old club had any say about it. Cash and others can justify the decision now, but I think they underestimated the market for Hideki.

    I don’t think filling the DH is as easy as people think because they’re amongst the best run producers in the game and very likely already on another team.

  182. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Meh. Typical Gammons.

  183. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I think Ellsbury is overrated and he’s not good enough to be a centerpiece for a hitter like Gonz. and that great two year contract.

  184. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Rich, that’s true. If you start ignoring anyone that has ever said anything annoying to you on a message board, you’ll have no one to “talk” to. Eventually, the parties move on from the annoyance and chat with each other like nothing ever happened.

    Vinny -b, steak? A man after my own heart, lol

  185. sal December 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Scouting reports on Montero is that he’s as bad as Piazza behind the dish. Romine is ahead of Montero Defensively. Sanchez is also suppose to be very good defensively. It would make sense to keep Romine behind the plate and move Montero to a corner OF.

    I would think the same for Murphy, who just converted to C, but I would be interested to see him at 2b or corner of.

  186. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    GB, thanks! I’ve got my second wind now……..feeling better.

  187. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    I don’t see the inevitable Gonzalez to BOS scenario either.

    ATL & TEX (probably others) could easily trump Theo the Genius.

    Plus the stench of a BOS-SD trade of this magnitude given the circumstances wouldn’t sit too well – esp if it backfired. I don’t think Hoyer would risk it.

  188. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....BOE26l1VWK

    I’m sorry, I had to post this just for the pic of Mr. Met (who I love by the way). I still remember that video that made the rounds where Mr. Met kept trying to commit suicide, but always failed (his head was too big for the oven, his hand/glove couldn’t get a grip on the gun). Finally, Philly Fanatic put him out of his misery

  189. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Ellsbury’s available? (Yawn, scratches stomach).

  190. Hoffa December 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Betsy,

    If you get strong reactions from people, it means you are saying something interesting that stirs the pot and gets convesation going. That’s the entire point of a blog.

    If people find you annoying they are dopes. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you need to be annoyed.

    I’m an attorney and it is pretty much in my job description to disagree with people. I find that people who actually get annoyed are usually those who are not that bright or those who have week arguments.

    Bottom line, keep posting. You clearly enjoy it. Don’t let the idiots on here take that away from you.

  191. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    The only way SD moves Donzales would be if they got a better package of players than Toronto got for Halladay, and Boston doesn’t have that kind of talent to move.

  192. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Make that Gonzalez

  193. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    “Anyway, there’s a certain weirdness about Theo negotiating with his former assistants in SD.”

    There is. Hoyer is in a very awkward position. He is very open to being accused of impropriety and/ or falling in love with his own prospects when dealing with the Red Sox. At the same time he does know that system well.

    I just don’t see them as a lock for gonzalez. He’s such an attractive player – he is one year older than Ellsbury. Boston is going to have to battle to get him.

    As an aside – I have no idea why people think Ellsbury is going to be so attractive to San Diego. A week or two after the 2007 world series Ellsbury dumped his agent and signed with Boras. It’s pretty clear what his plans are.

    He is only one year younger than Gonzalez. He is going to get expensive soon – and isn’t very good.

  194. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    I really don’t think Cash wanted Matsui back – he as good as said it today when he referenced Matsui’s knee condition. Teams have to make cold-blooded decisions…….but at least the Yankees parted with Matsui and Damon on good terms (unlike the Sox, who kick their players out the door)

  195. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    “Scouting reports on Montero is that he’s as bad as Piazza behind the dish.”

    Am I hallucinating or wasn’t there a post here just the other day indicating that Montero had picked up his footwork and had shown some growth at catcher?

  196. Jerkface December 23rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Angels roll out Kazmir, Weaver, Saunders, Santana & Palmer ( who beat the Yanks in the Stadium last season )…..As much as I dilike the Angels and even more so than fans, they are a very well run organization……
    ====================================================
    Pat M….and they are never out of it…they picked up Fernando Rodney today and will move their lefty to setup…they will still be in the thick of things

    Gonna respond to both of these. That rotation isn’t that great. There is no lock down guy in there. They will be vulnerable next year, in the rotation and the pen.

    Fernando Rodney is no good. It will be comical to see them try and close games with him and fuentes. If they were smart they’d lean on Jepsen more.

    I am smelling a Mariners or Rangers AL west this year

  197. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    good met article , Betsy! Thanks

  198. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    MaineYankee…Mike S. considers Matsui a very good and professional hitter….Right now the Angels are top heavy in the of, Abreu, Hunter, Rivers, Matthews, Willets ( defensive / pinch runner type ) ……Matsui was not promised an outfield postion at all, that was media driven….He was told that if he gets through the early weeks of Spring Training he may get some PT during the exhibition season…..He’s their DH…….Angels are going to upgrade their Leftfield postion before camp, well that’s the plan anyway…..Bullpen is good, Shields will be back….When the Vegas Futures come out, I can see them still being favortes to win the AL West….The gap has tighten up some, but they lapped the division last season….

  199. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Phil, are you familiar with Javier Herrera? He was apparently rated #2 in the A’s farm system before he got injured

  200. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Mariners are another team that would be heavily in play for Gonzalez. Don’t think they have the bullets but they will make a huge push for him. They too have tried to trade for him.

  201. Jerkface December 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Mariners are another team that would be heavily in play for Gonzalez. Don’t think they have the bullets but they will make a huge push for him. They too have tried to trade for him.

    Depends on how San Diego rates a guy like Triunfel. I think they would have to do something like a 3 way to get all the prospects necessary. Don’t know who they’d trade.

  202. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    craw,

    I don’t think he’d be the centerpiece, I just think he’d be a piece of it.

  203. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Pat M if true about Matsui then it’s a real head-scratcher why NYY didn’t re-sign him.

    Unless Cash publicly expressed interest as a face-saving gesture to Matsui assuming a limited market.

  204. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    You’re welcome, Mick! I hate the Mets, but I really haven’t spent any time thinking of them…..It’s just amazing how busy the Yankee off-season has been.

    Phil, a poster at NYYFans posted this in the ML forums:

    Ok lets put the trade under a microscope. The yanks were concerned about Arody’s committment to condiditioning. The think Cabrera is a clone of Arody’s and they absolutely love Ramirez and Stoneburner. I spoke to a minor league scout for another team who I went to college with and he told me Ramirez is the real deal and ahead of Vizcaino in his teams ranking of Yankee ML pitching.

    *** Thoughts ? I don’t even mean in terms of Vizcaino, just the other kids that we still have.

  205. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    CB

    I’ve heard some speculate that because of Boras the RS seem to be willing to move Ellsbery.

    Cameron’s signing may have been done to prepare for that.

  206. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    “As an aside – I have no idea why people think Ellsbury is going to be so attractive to San Diego. A week or two after the 2007 world series Ellsbury dumped his agent and signed with Boras. It’s pretty clear what his plans are.

    He is only one year younger than Gonzalez. He is going to get expensive soon – and isn’t very good.”

    That’s a good point, after next season he’ll probably get around 4M in arbitration for 2011.

  207. sal December 23rd, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    “Am I hallucinating or wasn’t there a post here just the other day indicating that Montero had picked up his footwork and had shown some growth at catcher?”

    I guess I didn’t see that post… Not trying to make you see things, dog.

    Where was that report from? Is that just Yankee spin? Or is that from a legit source.
    I would love it if Jesus could develop his game defensively and take over next season for Posada. That’s a win, win.

  208. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Maybe Cashman was selling Matsui’s knees to ward off any suitors….He must have passed his physical, and a great deal of attention would be on his knee concerns

  209. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    “Depends on how San Diego rates a guy like Triunfel.”

    Not even close enough to be a centerpiece.

    The only way the M’s could get that deal done without a three way trade or trading Felix would be to trade Franklin Guittierez.

    Triunfel could possibly be the second guy but even then he’d more likely be the third guy in the deal.

    And even then opinions on him are very divided.

  210. Jerkface December 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Having seen Montero in person, and as not a scout of baseball at all, I honestly couldn’t see anything noticeably bad about his catching. I guess it would be better to watch on TV and see, but he didn’t drop any pitches or anything like that. And he gunned a guy down at 2nd, his arm is awesome.

    I guess you’d have to know what the ‘right’ footwork is to know if he is footing around wrong.

  211. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Hoffa, thanks for the kind words. I’m posting away as you can see, lol……

    When the other catching prospects advance further, they can be used as trade bait……..However, I’m sure we wouldn’t want to trade all of them. I wonder if any of those others (Sanchez, Murphy, Hishigawa, etc…) can be converted to other positions.

  212. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Betsy,
    I thought that stuff about Mr Met trying to commit suicide was hilarious.

    Was that recent,for this postseason or for their last few collapses?

  213. MTU December 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Anything cooking on Chapman ?

    Haven’t heard much lately.

    Wasn’t he supposed to schedule a private throwing session for the Yanks ?

    Any word on that.

    If we get him I would expect it would be on a minor league contract for Strassy type money.

    Agree/Disagee ?

    And before I forget.

    As a new poster, who has already manged to annoy some, I wish you a joyous and healthy holiday season.

    And yes, that means all of you.

    And now, back to regularly scheduled programming.

  214. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    “craw,

    I don’t think he’d be the centerpiece, I just think he’d be a piece of it.”

    Phil,

    Again, by trading Gonzo to the Red Sox, the Padres will only save about 5M or so over the next two years if Ellsbury is in the trade.

  215. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    sal:

    Wasn’t trying to bite your head off dude. Sorry if it read that way.

    I really am wondering if I saw what I think I saw. I thought there was a thread (Josh? Chad?) that included some insider minor league stuff about Montero doing some kind of old-school thing to get into throwing position faster.

  216. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    “I’ve heard some speculate that because of Boras the RS seem to be willing to move Ellsbery.”

    That’s just more spin. They make it out as if Ellsbury is this prized commodity who is such a great player that only huge extenuating circumstances (like the evil boras…) would allow them to part with him.

    He’s just not that good. And that’s why they would try to sell high on him. He doesn’t fit in what they look for in a player.

    And it’s not like Hoyer doesn’t know Ellsbury’s limitations.

    I think the Sox are trying to figure out right now how to keep in striking distance with the yankees.

    This whole run preventions strategy being engineered by the genius is paper thin. I can’t believe they have enough confidence in it to think they can win the division with any significant likelihood.

    They need two bats – and they likely know it.

  217. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Murph, you’re right, I saw it too (probably Chad or Sam, not sure).

    Plus, I’m sure Tony Pena could teach the kid a thing or 2 about catching if he needs it.

  218. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Hey Murph, you missed our intervention.:)

  219. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Pat M

    I agree with you about the Angels being a well run org.

    My question is, who’s their #1? Is the pitching staff strong enough to take them to the PO’s?

  220. m December 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    GreenBeret7
    December 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    I’ve already mentioned what I’d do with Romine.
    ================================================

    :shock:

    ================================================

    Have him do a cigarette run? :P

  221. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ep-closer/

    From Chad, Dec 21:

    The Yankees have been encouraged by Montero’s improved footwork behind the plate. He threw out 31.8 percent of base runners in Trenton, which is pretty solid and much better than the 12.5 percent he threw out in the first half of the season in Tampa. Actually, Montero’s caught stealing percentage in Trenton was better than Romine’s season percentage in Tampa (though I don’t think anyone would suggest Montero is at Romine’s level in that regard). Newman said some of the improvement came because Montero adjusted his footwork so that he pivots on his right foot rather than taking a step or a slide.

    “That seems to work for him,” Newman said. “It’s an older school approach.”

    Newman stressed – as he’s done pretty much every time I’ve mentioned Montero’s name the past few years – that the Yankees still see their top prospect as a catcher. With Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, though, there’s a chance Montero will get some time at first base, at least during drills. It’s something all catchers in the Yankees system do. I’ve seen Francisco Cervelli, Chris Stewart and Kevin Cash take ground balls at third base. P.J. Pilittere has gotten a bit of playing time at first.

  222. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Crawdaddy, Ellsbury can cover alot of ground, ana at Petco that’s a big plus

  223. Laura - Have the catchers and pitchers reported yet? December 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    “Teams have to make cold-blooded decisions…….but at least the Yankees parted with Matsui and Damon on good terms (unlike the Sox, who kick their players out the door)”

    I don’t know about that as far as Matsui is concerned. I don’t think he’s mad at them, but I doubt what happened was well received in Japan. I read an article where they were interviewing one of the Japanese reporters that follows Matsui around and he was saying that they had never seen a World Series MVP not at least get an offer from his former team. He sounded insulted. I have a feeling that any Japanese Yankee fans that might have existed have since thrown their NY caps into the garbage.

  224. randy l. December 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    “Just really impressive stuff. They are getting the right players and the right kind of guys – CC, Granderson, Tex – just terrific talents and guys who are hard working and going to commit to winning.”

    CB-

    i have to agree, though it’s painful, very painful to have to praise cashman two christmases in a row.

    i don’t know what’s worse . gb7 having to give up cigarettes or me having to give up bashing cashman.

  225. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    mick:

    “Hey Murph, you missed our intervention.:)”

    Just catching up now. (Ooooh, that’s gonna leave a mark).

  226. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Betsy,

    There are BA rankings and then there are rankings that ballclubs do on their own prospects. So Viz was ranked #3 by BA, but internally, he might be ranked much lowered by the Yankees and I think ballclubs that really do a good job of scouting like the Yankees have a better idea of their own players than some unnamed scout giving his opinion to BA.

    Furthermore, we don’t have any idea what the Yankees are planning to do with next year’s international signings. Besides the obvious with Chapman, the Yankees might have somebody else targeted that’s even better than Viz. Cabrera who they signed this year is drawing rave reviews and Ramirez had a fantastic season too. He took the spot of Viz when he hurt his back and helped SI win the New York Penn League.

  227. Phil the Thrill December 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    craw,

    the papers have been acting like the Sox were reluctant to give up Ellsbury. I think this is all building up to the Sox caving on Ellsbury, then Hoyer selling it to the 3 Padre fans as getting a whole team for 1 player.

  228. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    CB, that lineup doesn’t scare anyone right now. They have no choice but to go the run prevention route.

    And that’s still a risky strategy with most of their pitchers’ injury histories.

    If they get Bay, it’ll obviously be an upgrade, but I think if that happens you’ll see Holliday in NY just as quickly.

  229. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    “Crawdaddy, Ellsbury can cover alot of ground, ana at Petco that’s a big plus”

    Yet, he’s not that good of a fielder.

  230. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    f they get Bay, it’ll obviously be an upgrade, but I think if that happens you’ll see Holliday in NY just as quickly.
    =======================================================
    Do you mean the “budget” will become a thing of the past?

  231. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    There aren’t any other 19 year old catchers playing at AA baseball and terrorizing pitchers. NYY wants him to catch and they wouldn’t have moved him that fast if they were worried about his defense. He moves to AAA at age 20 and still the youngest player in the league. He’ll finally have him a good fulltime catching instructor to finish polishing his defense. Butch Wynegar will really help him out.

  232. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    “i don’t know what’s worse . gb7 having to give up cigarettes or me having to give up bashing cashman.”

    randy l:

    I think you may have the tougher habit to kick. ;)

  233. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    mick, it’ll be filed under “stuff happens”

  234. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Just catching up now. (Ooooh, that’s gonna leave a mark).
    ====================================================
    murph,
    tough love

  235. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    “craw,

    the papers have been acting like the Sox were reluctant to give up Ellsbury. I think this is all building up to the Sox caving on Ellsbury, then Hoyer selling it to the 3 Padre fans as getting a whole team for 1 player.”

    Then Hoyer needs to fired immediately because he’s not doing what’s best for his ballclub. As I stated, he’s not getting much salary relief over the next couple of years and Boras will take them to arbitration for three years straight so the cost will really add up.

  236. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I hope they get Bay, then we get Holliday…it’s on..the way it should be.

  237. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    CB

    I think your take on Ellsbury is accurate. They tried to make him the lead off hitter but eventually moved him down.

    They’ve been looking for one ever since they let Damon leave.

    I remember when the Yankees signed Damon a RS friend of mine said Coco was better. I could only laugh in response.

    He also told me Jeter was overated. :lol:

  238. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    I can see that scenario.

    Omar’s asleep.

    John Henry intervenes.

    Cashman sees Bay and raises Holliday.

    Your move Theo.

  239. Bo Knows December 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    This was posted earlier on here by another poster and maybe some missed it re Ellsbury defense vs Gardner. This is a Boston blog but a good one.

    http://oneifbylandsports.blogs.....balls.html

  240. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    MaineYankee…I don’t see the Angels have a real # 1 type pitcher, although the four guys I mentiones, Weaver, Santana, Saunders & Kazmir I think all have had All-Star appearences at sometime…..

  241. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    randy l.
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    “Just really impressive stuff. They are getting the right players and the right kind of guys – CC, Granderson, Tex – just terrific talents and guys who are hard working and going to commit to winning.”

    CB-

    i have to agree, though it’s painful, very painful to have to praise cashman two christmases in a row.

    i don’t know what’s worse . gb7 having to give up cigarettes or me having to give up bashing cashman.

    ————————————————————

    Come on down, Randy. We’ll go out on the golf course I’ll learn you all my teachin’. When we’re down, you’ll not only smoke cifaettes, but, you’ll play golf as well as I do. Nobody will touch you on the golf course.

  242. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    I can see that scenario.

    Omar’s asleep.

    John Henry intervenes.

    Cashman sees Bay and raises Holliday.

    Your move Theo.
    ========================================================
    Gonzalez.

  243. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    L to the 2nd:

    “Plus, I’m sure Tony Pena could teach the kid a thing or 2 about catching if he needs it.”

    True, plus there’s the manager who did a little catching in his day ;)

    It’d be great if the kid got an invite to ST. Otherwise it’s gonna be tough for him to get any consistent time with Pena or Joe G. Plus I’d love to get their feedback on working with him.

  244. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    You’ll gave to learn how to type on your own though. I’m no magician.

  245. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    How are Montero and Romine at calling games? That’s the most important aspect of catching, isn’t it?

  246. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Laura, I don’t know how to put this except to say it plainly, but the Yankees can’t worry about how their decision affected Japan…….

  247. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    crawdaddy
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pm
    “Crawdaddy, Ellsbury can cover alot of ground, ana at Petco that’s a big plus”

    Yet, he’s not that good of a fielder.
    —————————————————–

    I am not going to argue that Ellsbury is the best thing since sliced bread.

    At the same time to say he is not a good fielder I just don’t think is accurate. One could argue that he didn’t deserve it, but he still did get the defensive player of the year award.

  248. L to the 2nd December 23rd, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    murph, forgot about Wynegar in SWB – I think GB mentioned him as well.

    mick, I’m not convinced BOS has the horses.

    ATL, TEX, maybe SEA, for starters, could offer a better package.

  249. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    # Betsy – high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Laura, I don’t know how to put this except to say it plainly, but the Yankees can’t worry about how their decision affected Japan…….
    ========================================================
    You might not see that sushi stand at the Stadium anymore, Betsy.

  250. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Murph, every catcher in the organization will be in camp, and Montero and Romine wull play in a few games. That should make ST a fun place to be.

  251. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    mick:

    In the words of the great Philosopher, Rodney King, “can we all get along?”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

  252. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    “If they get Bay, it’ll obviously be an upgrade, but I think if that happens you’ll see Holliday in NY just as quickly.”

    Which is part of why Boras isn’t in a rush to get Holliday signed.

    He needs some event to change the market dyanmics that have settled out.

  253. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Mick, I think that was done after the first collapse….2007 was it?

  254. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    In the words of the great Philosopher, Rodney King, “can we all get along?”
    Murph=====================================
    you mean Rodney Dangerfield, oh that was “I get no respect.”

  255. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    “At the same time to say he is not a good fielder I just don’t think is accurate. ”

    ray,

    Just a guess but the Red Sox front office is very, very metrics driven.

    And by every fielding metric this past season, Ellsbury was not only bad defensively, he was horrendous.

    Not saying I believe that, but I can’t see the Red Sox own FO being happy with Ellsbury’s defense and I think that’s why they brought in Cameron.

    And the defensive award ellsbury received was voted on by fans.

  256. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    “The yanks were concerned about Arody’s committment to condiditioning.”

    It seems as if we always read something like this after a team trades a highly rated prospect.

  257. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Yep Betsy, I think Mr Met tried to kill himself after the 07 choke.

  258. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Mick, I can’t stomach the idea of eating raw fish…..so no great loss, lol.

    I mean no disrespect to the Japanese fans, by the way. I just think the Yankees need to do what they feel is right for the team. I certainly wish Matsui the best of luck in Anaheim…….and he’ll always be a Yankee, just like Damon, just like all of these guys. There’s a sense of continuity about the franchise that is awfully nice…..

  259. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    “crawdaddy
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pm
    “Crawdaddy, Ellsbury can cover alot of ground, ana at Petco that’s a big plus”

    Yet, he’s not that good of a fielder.
    —————————————————–

    I am not going to argue that Ellsbury is the best thing since sliced bread.

    At the same time to say he is not a good fielder I just don’t think is accurate. One could argue that he didn’t deserve it, but he still did get the defensive player of the year award.”

    Ray,

    I didn’t mean to say he’s not a good fielder and imply he is bad. However, he’s not as good in relation to what ground he can covered which that poster implied meaning he’s an excellent fielder. As I stated earlier, I think Ellsbury is overrated and has been his entire career. His biggest talent is his speed which he uses well, but other than that I think he’s just not as good as certain media types suggest of him.

  260. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I made the comment yesterday that I thought the Braves could get Gonzalez, and use Arodys as a piece of the puzzle to get him.

    Unfortunately, they signed Troy Glaus to play 1st base today….

  261. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    “Murph, every catcher in the organization will be in camp, and Montero and Romine wull play in a few games. That should make ST a fun place to be.”

    GB7:

    Great news. If this organization has depth it’s in arms and catchers. Hope Montero cracks a couple into Lake George – that’s that pond in I think left or left center at Steinbrenner Field. Can’t wait for the first warm breezes.

    How you feeling? Family treating you right?

  262. Bo Knows December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    “I am not going to argue that Ellsbury is the best thing since sliced bread.

    At the same time to say he is not a good fielder I just don’t think is accurate. One could argue that he didn’t deserve it, but he still did get the defensive player of the year award”.
    ————————————————–

    I’ll repeat – I offer the site

    http://oneifbylandsports.blogspot.com/

    Titled Ellsbury and Shallow Fly Balls

    Hint – Makes Gardner look quite impressive.

  263. Clare December 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    mick,

    I’m late to this discussion, but I read something today that really struck me as important. Carolyn Hax (advice columnist for the Wash. Post) said you can’t change anyone else’s behavior, you can only change how you react to that behavior. (I wish I had read this earlier when Pete was here).

    In other words, don’t bother trying to change the way Betsy posts – just skip her posts or don’t let it get to you.

    BTW: Betsy – there’s nothing at all wrong with your posts, and I sense a certain amount of sexism in the criticism you receive. Very few people without identifiably female names get criticized as vociferously as some of the female posters do.

  264. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I mean no disrespect to the Japanese fans, by the way. I just think the Yankees need to do what they feel is right for the team. I certainly wish Matsui the best of luck in Anaheim…….and he’ll always be a Yankee, just like Damon, just like all of these guys. There’s a sense of continuity about the franchise that is awfully nice…..
    =====================================================
    Betsy, Yes, they are all welcomed back for Old Timers Day.

  265. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    “They’ve been looking for one ever since they let Damon leave.

    I remember when the Yankees signed Damon a RS friend of mine said Coco was better. I could only laugh in response.”

    It’s very ironic but I’ve often heard Sox fans talk about letting Damon go – even now – as an example of their front office being a smart, disciplined group that puts a value on a player and sticks with it.

    This despite the fact that they largely misevaluated Damon’s future performance.

    I remember all of the talk about how Coco was the better, more “rational” move. Just like Renteria was. Just like Lugo was…

    The one thing I’ll say is that Damon really didn’t last out his contract as a centerfielder. But that doesn’t change the fact that Coco was horrible.

    Talent evaluation is everything. Stats are a useful tool in that but they’re only a tool.

    Miss on talent evaluation and everything is downhill from there.

  266. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Ray,

    “I didn’t mean to say he’s not a good fielder and imply he is bad. However, he’s not as good in relation to what ground he can covered which that poster implied meaning he’s an excellent fielder. As I stated earlier, I think Ellsbury is overrated and has been his entire career. His biggest talent is his speed which he uses well, but other than that I think he’s just not as good as certain media types suggest of him.”

    ——————————————————-

    crawdaddy, I actually think your accessment of Ellsbury is pretty accurate. I found the article mentioned in another posting very interesting about how Ellsbury does not do particularly well with shallow hits.

  267. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    mick,

    I’m late to this discussion, but I read something today that really struck me as important. Carolyn Hax (advice columnist for the Wash. Post) said you can’t change anyone else’s behavior, you can only change how you react to that behavior. (I wish I had read this earlier when Pete was here).
    =======================================================
    Ok thanks, the intervention is over, sorry you missed, we are now best of friends, as you can see by our discussions of the attempted suicide of Mr Met.

  268. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    mick:

    “I get no respect.”

    And now a moment of silence for Rodney Danger…OK, times up.

  269. Pat M December 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Betsy, Sushi is a mainstream food choice here in So. Cal….It reminds me of pizzera’s back home in NY as there everywhere….That’s Sushi here, one every mile or so…..I would imagine they’re already making a Godzilla in Angel Stadium, with the shoulder shrug included

  270. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Craw, good points. With international signings, a team can sign players at any time? It seems like they draft babies, what – 16, 17 years old?

    In any case, one thing I read this year that I loved was that the Yankees scouts spent time scouting the Yankees in order to become familiar with their strenghths, weaknessees, etc….I think that is a fantastic idea.

    Speaking of scouting, I wonder what’s up with Kevin Towers?

  271. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    LOL Pat…….Matsui deserves his own piece of Sushi. Granderson can have a pizza named after him as well – the Granderson Grandma………

  272. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    “crawdaddy, I actually think your accessment of Ellsbury is pretty accurate. I found the article mentioned in another posting very interesting about how Ellsbury does not do particularly well with shallow hits.”

    Which might be the reason why Cameron was brought in so we’ll see how it plays out with Ellsbury.

  273. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    murphydog
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
    “Murph, every catcher in the organization will be in camp, and Montero and Romine wull play in a few games. That should make ST a fun place to be.”

    GB7:

    Great news. If this organization has depth it’s in arms and catchers. Hope Montero cracks a couple into Lake George – that’s that pond in I think left or left center at Steinbrenner Field. Can’t wait for the first warm breezes.

    How you feeling? Family treating you right?

    ————————————————————

    Feeling great, Murph. Thanks for asking. The family have been mean. I feel like I’m going through airport security every day…security is tight. They’ve taken all of my stash and matches.

    Montero put one in the Lake this past spring training. He just swallows up all of the space in the batter’s box. He’s got good hands. it’s been his footwork.

  274. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    “Speaking of scouting, I wonder what’s up with Kevin Towers?”

    You should read Phil’s blog.

  275. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    “BTW: Betsy – there’s nothing at all wrong with your posts, and I sense a certain amount of sexism in the criticism you receive. Very few people without identifiably female names get criticized as vociferously as some of the female posters do.”

    And then, just as the fire was about to burn out, someone thoughtlessly poured a 55 gallon drum of their own personal issue-laden gasoline onto the last flickering flame…

  276. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Pete said “Ignore the Yankee trolls. It is funny when they get defensive about the money.” on his new blog.

    That is kind of funny. He never said anything about the Red Sox trolls on here.

  277. CB December 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    randy,

    BTW – did you happen to see the WEEI article on how the sox handled Lowell’s injury?

    Pretty interesting stuff from the organization that is widely praised as being at the cutting edge of sports medicine.

    It sounds like quite the comedy of errors.

    http://fullcount.weei.com/spor.....situation/

  278. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    “Speaking of scouting, I wonder what’s up with Kevin Towers?”

    He’ll be working for the Yankees starting on January 1st.:)

  279. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    LOL, Murph!

  280. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    “Feeling great, Murph. Thanks for asking. The family have been mean. I feel like I’m going through airport security every day…security is tight. They’ve taken all of my stash and matches.”

    Love hurts. No, wait… you only hurt the one you love. Nah… Hold on. Gotta be cruel to be kind. I dunno. I just think they really care and want you to get well as we all do. Stay off the friggin cigs!

  281. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Clare, I appreciate the kind words. I’m generally good at moving on because I like to feel good……right now, I’m feeling swell, lol

  282. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Dont know if anybody is a King of Queens fan (I am not), but the whole series is on sale for 89.99

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldb.....p_nav_gb27

  283. randy l. December 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    “I think you may have the tougher habit to kick. ”

    murphydog-

    we’ll have to check with our resident betting experts pat m and nick in sf to give us the odds.

    but gb7 sounds like he’s struggling.

    i’m coasting and enjoying where the yankees are at.

    of course gb7 might be sandbagging and just acting likes he’s scuffling to get me overconfident.

  284. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    I always wondered why there are so few Met and RS (no longer identified by name) fans in here to at least show us their idiocy.

    guess winning it drove them away.

  285. Rose December 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    GreenBeret7

    As a former smoker, I know how hard it is to quit. My last smoke was 4 years ago. Now I don’t even have the urge to smoke. Keep trying, the longer you go, the easier it gets.

  286. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Clare
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    mick,

    I’m late to this discussion, but I read something today that really struck me as important. Carolyn Hax (advice columnist for the Wash. Post) said you can’t change anyone else’s behavior, you can only change how you react to that behavior. (I wish I had read this earlier when Pete was here).

    In other words, don’t bother trying to change the way Betsy posts – just skip her posts or don’t let it get to you.

    BTW: Betsy – there’s nothing at all wrong with your posts, and I sense a certain amount of sexism in the criticism you receive. Very few people without identifiably female names get criticized as vociferously as some of the female posters do.

    ————————————————————

    Betsy needs to change her name….maybe something like “Crusher” or “Bruiser”. I was going to use “Precious” but, decided to go with this one to start with. If you see “Precious” on here, it’s me.

  287. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    That is kind of funny. He never said anything about the Red Sox trolls on here.

    ————————————————————
    CR9……I’m not sure how long you have been reading the blog and I don’t mean that as a put down at all.

    I’m just saying that Pete mentioned quite a few times on here especially when the Yankees and Red Sox were playing not to feed the Red Sox trolls.

  288. crawdaddy December 23rd, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    “Pretty interesting stuff from the organization that is widely praised as being at the cutting edge of sports medicine.

    It sounds like quite the comedy of errors.”

    CB,

    Just goes to show you that all of the ball clubs make some kind of mistakes in their injury evaluations, no matter how good they appear to be in managing the health of their players.

  289. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    right now, I’m feeling swell, lol
    ======================================
    Swell or swollen, Betsy?

  290. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    LOL, GB.(I might add a kinder and gentler GB)

  291. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    randy l:

    “of course gb7 might be sandbagging and just acting likes he’s scuffling to get me overconfident.”

    He’s setting you up to take your money at golf.

  292. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Going to check out Phil’s blog now……

    Craw, thanks! One thing I love about Cash as well is that he has a lot of friends in the business. He has very good working relationships with most (if not all?) GMs and that can only help. He’s just not a contentious person……he’s also respectful. I once read a comment (I forget from who) that stated the idea of a trade isn’t to fleece the other team – it’s to help both teams. If a GM talks to another GM and tries to fleece that guy, well – those talks go nowhere fast.

  293. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
    LOL Pat…….Matsui deserves his own piece of Sushi. Granderson can have a pizza named after him as well – the Granderson Grandma………

    ————————————————————

    They could have called it “Matsushu”

  294. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Um, swell, lol………for some reason I was thinking of the line in Superman where Clark Kent says he’s feeling swell and Lois Lane says “um, swell? No one says swell anymore” or something like that.

  295. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    or should I say Precious. :)

  296. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    GB, hilarious. I could change my name to my NYYFans screenname……but I’m so famous by now that I don’t think I’d want to do it.

  297. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    ray
    Not taken as an insult at all. I have been reading the blog for years. I do not remember him specifying “Red Sox trolls”.

    He said hundreds of times “do not feed the trolls” but I do not remember him singling out Red Sox trolls.

    I could be wrong, though. I’ll take your word for it.

    Also, his comment about it being funny that Yankees fans are defensive about money is kind of distasteful.

  298. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    man, never thought I’d have a meeting of the minds with betsy and gb in the same night no less. it’s precious.

  299. Clare December 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    murphydog,

    Weren’t you the one the other day who was complaining about personal attacks in comments right after you said “Toughen up cupcakes” in the prior thread?

  300. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    randy l.
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
    “I think you may have the tougher habit to kick. ”

    murphydog-

    we’ll have to check with our resident betting experts pat m and nick in sf to give us the odds.

    but gb7 sounds like he’s struggling.

    i’m coasting and enjoying where the yankees are at.

    of course gb7 might be sandbagging and just acting likes he’s scuffling to get me overconfident.

    ————————————————————

    How many golf pros do you know that pays his students NOT to take lessons?

  301. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    yes betsy has made a name for herself, we should all be so lucky

  302. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    its on murph :)

  303. Clare December 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    GB7,

    How’s Cape Coma? Glad you seem to be feeling better (withdrawal aside, of course).

  304. Bo Knows December 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    I wonder if the Yankees do any game playing as in GB’s specialty.

    Cash and Troops
    “Okay we got Granderson, they got Cameron” (Whistles etc)

    “Okay they get Lackey, we can counter with Vazquez – probability of 90 percent. Background (Huzzah, Good show etc)

    Question -Sir, What if they go back to Bay?

    Cash “Then we’ll reluctantly have to pursue Holliday”

    General laughter

    And fade to black……

  305. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    I like my cupcakes cream filled.

  306. murphydog December 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Clare:

    So good to see you again.

    Wanted to ask you if you had any numbers to back up your claims of sexism around here based on “identifiably female names” or if it was just the usual hyperbole, thrown out to intimidate the “identifiably male” names?

  307. Bronx Jeers December 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    I’ve had the Ichiroll.

    Very spicy!

  308. CR9 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    “4. Said Kochman had amazing MiLB #s and could still become a top tier MLB first baseman.”

    Just when I thought Gammons could not be any more fraudulent, he spews that.

    Why the Rangers would back out of the Lowell trade? Hm, let me take a guesss, Gammons. Because they were mislead by an organization that prides itself on deception and propoganda.

  309. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Wanted to ask you if you had any numbers to back up your claims of sexism around here based on “identifiably female names” or if it was just the usual hyperbole, thrown out to intimidate the “identifiably male” names?
    ===================================================
    small sample size

  310. Kevin December 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    It would kind of suck if Holliday signs before Bay…

    Then if Boston brings back Bay, we have no fall back option to counter them.

  311. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Clare
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    GB7,

    How’s Cape Coma? Glad you seem to be feeling better (withdrawal aside, of course).

    ————————————————————

    Doing quite well, Clare. Thank you for asking. Actually, I haven’t been out side, yet, but, weather looks good here.
    It took about 5 days to chew my fingernails down to my elbows, but, they’re growing back.

  312. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    GB or Precious,

    When do they take your shackles off?

  313. Betsy - high on pie December 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1668814

    Nick Johnson was surprised the New York Yankees wanted him back.

    “Mark Teixeira’s a great first baseman and a great player,” he said. “I just thought there’d be no chance.”

    Johnson became the second player in two days to return to pinstripes, finalizing a $5.75 million, one-year contract Wednesday to be a designated hitter and No. 2 batter.

    Yankees general manager Brian Cashman called Johnson “a cheaper alternative at the DH slot” and “one of the better offensive-oriented players in the game.”

    “Obviously the big issue is to try to keep him on the field and stay healthy,” Cashman said. “Is there a risk in signing him? Sure there is.”

    Johnson has a high on-base percentage (third in the majors at .426 last season) but is slow-footed (four stolen bases since 2006). While he is just 31, Johnson has made nine trips to the disabled list in a big league career that began with the Yankees in 2001.

    He was traded to Montreal after the 2003 season in the deal that first brought the Yankees pitcher Javier Vazquez, who was reacquired Tuesday in a trade with Atlanta.

    Johnson’s uncle, former Yankees (and current Dodgers) third base coach Larry Bowa, encouraged his nephew to sign with New York.

    “He was telling me, ‘You’ve got to go back. It’s a great opportunity and special place to play,’” Johnson said.

    Cashman hopes switching to DH will keep Johnson off the DL. When Johnson plays, he produces: He hit a combined .291 for Washington and Florida last season with eight homers, 62 RBIs, 99 walks, and a .405 slugging percentage.

    With his payroll at $200.9 million for 16 signed players, Cashman pretty much has ruled out re-signing left fielder Johnny Damon. While he has Brett Gardner and winter meeting draft pick Jaime Hoffman as options, Cashman said he will consider checking into trades and the free-agent market, where Mark DeRosa and Jermaine Dye are among the options.

    New York doesn’t appear to be interested in Matt Holliday or Jason Bay.

    “It won’t be a big-name situation, I can promise you that,” Cashman said.

    Since winning the World Series, New York has jettisoned Damon, Hideki Matsui, Melky Cabrera, Brian Bruney and Phil Coke, adding Johnson, Vazquez, Hoffmann, All-Star center fielder Curtis Granderson and reliever Boone Logan.

    “We have a deeper rotation,” Cashman said. “I think we have a younger, more athletic, defense-oriented outfield, although we still have power that’s part of that process with Granderson’s addition.”

  314. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    CR9

    People here know that no GM bases their talent evaluation on what Gammons or anyone else in the media says so please find a new angle.

  315. randy l. December 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    “BTW – did you happen to see the WEEI article on how the sox handled Lowell’s injury?”

    CB-

    I do everything i can to not listen to weei , but i’ve read rob bradford from when he was with a small newspaper a few years ago. he’s good.

    that is a surprising article about lowell and it’s another indication that more than a few things are falling through the cracks for theo and co.

    something is up with them.

    i think it’s possible they’ve plateaued as an organization because john henry isn’t the financial power he once was. his personal net worth may be down by as much as two thirds. he was in trouble even before the financial crap hit the fan last fall.

    without a billionaire( and he’s not even close to being one now ) to provide a safety net for baseball operations the red sox may not have the financial resources they once had.

    naturally they’d try to hide that if it were true, but they don’t seem to spend like they once did.

  316. Clare December 23rd, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Betsy,

    Thanks for the stuff from Newsday. I’m so annoyed at their change in policy, and I hope it doesn’t become standard in the industry. I used to like reading Ken Davidoff’s blog, even though he’s a total Mets fan.

  317. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    mick
    December 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
    GB or Precious,

    When do they take your shackles off?

    ————————————————————

    I go back to Tampa after the first of the year and see what else needs to be done. I have to wear a burgler’s mask for a while, so I can’t go into banks wuthout the cops mugging me.

  318. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    New Thread

  319. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    As well as Precious, do they now call you The Gimp?

  320. MaineYankee December 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    randy

    Is it possible that some of the loss of finaces was the cost of two WS?

  321. mick December 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    My job is done here.

  322. randy l. December 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    maine yankee-

    there was quite a bit about john henry’s hedge fund problems a few years ago in the boston papers. with the financial collapse last year, i can’t imagine he didn’t get hit again.

  323. Rick December 24th, 2009 at 6:35 am

    If Boston gets Bay or Holliday, they will be close if not to 170million in payroll. They would have to get rid of Lowell and eat contract. That may be too much for them. Sure then they might try trading ellsbury and buchholz for AGON but what does that really get them. They lose a fifth starter.Matz and wakefield are no where in the class of javy and joba/hughes. Plus they are trading away piece by piece their young players and hanging themselves with long term contracts. Let them do it….

  324. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    “there was quite a bit about john henry’s hedge fund problems a few years ago in the boston papers. with the financial collapse last year, i can’t imagine he didn’t get hit again.”

    Could be true. Probably is. Still, there’s no tie between that business and his baseball business just as there was never a tie between Steinbrenner’s shipping business and how the Yankees were run.

  325. profman December 24th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    terrible trade. for about 2million more cashman could have signed sheets; this is just another example of cashman not knowing how to value pitching. coke will win more games than either hughes or chamberlain and vasquez with his tendency to keep the ball high in the strike zone will again lead the yankees in home runs surrendered. for basically the same amount of money, cashman could have signed sheets and not have surrendered the best teenage pitcher in professional baseball or an excellent fielding left fielder. it seems cashmans primary motive in making this trade rather than signing sheets was to save about 2 million in payroll.. i really dont care that he saved 2 million dollars or that the yankees are cutting payroll by 5% unless they are cutting my season tickets or the concessions by 5%. i am still paying the same ticket prices and cashman is more interested in saving money than placing the absolute best team on the field.

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