And to all, a good night
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 24, 2009 
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The Yankees, like most businesses, shut down their offices earlier today for the Christmas holiday. I expect things will be quiet with them – if not throughout baseball – for a few days, at least.
Certainly the Yankees have given their fans plenty of gifts this month: A new outfielder, a new pitcher and a new (old) DH. At the very least that’s a much better haul than Mets fans will be unwrapping tomorrow morning.
Thanks so much to all of you who have sent holiday wishes over the past few weeks. I – and I know Chad feels the same way – truly appreciate hearing from all of you. I’m grateful to be part of such a terrific community.
From my family (and the entire LoHud family) to yours: Happy Holidays.
Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to those LoHudders taking off to spend the night with their families.
Hope you have a wonderful and safe holiday and get everything on your wishlists!!!!!!
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CR9
December 24th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
vinny
Why is that folly? I acknowledged a team does not need 9 position all stars to win.
I will ask this question, though. If we could get an All Star at every position, and give us the maxiumum chance to win, and Holliday can be gotten at a reasonable price, then why is it good for baseball if Holl. goes to the Cards.
Baseball was and is most successful when the Yankees win. The highest ratings of World Series come when the Yankees are in it.
Joe Mauer, who will probably be resigned anyway, is the type of player that a team like the Red Sox or Yankees breaks the bank for, regardless of budget.
So, getting Holliday at a reasonable price this year, will have no effect on potentially getting Mauer next year.
If the Yankees have even a 1 percent shot at Mauer, they will do whatever they can to get him, regardless of budget.
merry Christmas, Sam
and the same to everyone
“Boston’s #9 hitter – Casey Kotchman, is a young Nick Johnson and 10x better than Gardner.
I’m sure there are a ton of teams with a better 9 hitter than us”
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and this matters because ?????
NYY has a much better lineup. Next
CR9:
Matt Holliday is a fine player. I wanted Holliday last off-season. Either via trade or wait for him to be a FA. We signed TEX instead. The lineup is a monster. Unless there is a major injury, he is not needed
Merry Christmas everyone!
Now as to having a loaded line-up:
The 41 Yanks had
Rizzuto SS HoF
Gordon 2B Hof
Rolfe 3B All Star
Selkirk 1b All Star
DiMaggio CF HoF
Henrich RF All Star
Keller LF All Star
Dickey C HoF
Good cases can be made the Keller and Henrich both belong in the Hall of Fame, and are better than several OF’s who are already in.
vinny
I agree. He is not needed. But he would be a valuable addition, at the right price. Great protection for Arod, and also great protection in case of an injury to any in the middle of the lineup.
Merry Christmas Sam, Chad, Josh, and all the fellow Lohudders.
GB7, all the best to you in a speedy recovery. Quit smoking, you’ll be around to see more Yankees championships and more Yankees youngsters blossom into Yankee greats.
Bay is a much better option than Holliday and Gardner is not an option at all.
“I agree. He is not needed. But he would be a valuable addition, at the right price. Great protection for Arod, and also great protection in case of an injury to any in the middle of the lineup”
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if Holliday signed with NYY, i would not be sad. I trust Cashman. At the same time, if he signs in ST Louis i will also be happy. It means he is not in the AL (particularly not on a rival AL team)
So when Boston expands their budget to sign Bay and approach $180 million, will ESPN bring up their payroll and how they are trying to buy a championship and how they are $50 million higher than the next team? (Cubs/Mets right around $130)
I remember after we signed Tex, there were columnists from places like Houston, Philadelphia, DC, Seattle, LA— just a bunch of random cities destroying us and how greedy we are. Will they do the same thing if Boston signs Bay?
chippy, you are about the only one who has ever said that Bay is a better option than Holliday. Must be the eggnog.
“Bay is a much better option than Holliday and Gardner is not an option at all”
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Omar ‘the latin God’ is this you??
Vinny-
I’m still not gonna believe it until he actually signs w another team.
Haven’t been on here much lately, but Happy Holidays to all of you and your families. Hope everyone is doing well!
Merry Christmas to all of you who are celebrating. Have a safe and happy holiday.
Merry Kwanzaa everybody. To those having the Matt Holliday debate: Holliday is a phenomenal player, no doubt about that, but signing him will screw over the 2014,2015,2016 teams. A-rod, Jeter (who’ll be resigned obviously),Tex, CC, AJ are all getting older (Some won’t be here for all three aforementioned seasons, but still). The Yanks will see regression from them while still paying top dollar. Holliday will regress too, and that gives the Yanks less flexibility (both in dollars and roster spots) to improve the lineup in future years. They’d much rather sign a guy like Carl Crawford after ’10, who is younger, faster, and a better fielder. The Yanks, when signing players to long term deal, will look for guys who will age well, which Holliday isn’t. Add in the fact that he doesn’t fit into the 2010 budget, and its easy to see that he won’t be wearing pinstripes in the New Year.
That’s it?!?
Happy Holidays to one and all.
vinny b;
On MLB 09, I started the 2010 season. Ramiro Pena slumped badly, so had to optioned him. Created Kevin Russo, called him up and inserted in RF cause Swisher was tried. Russo went 4-4 in his debut with a grand slam, a solo shot, a single, and a double. That’s an awesome debut, lol. Who he did that to? Lackey and the Sox, at Yankee Stadium.
Merry Christmas to everyone.
My take on the Yankees situation has been, and continues to be, they won the last World Series and are a better team today (at least marginally) than they were at the close of the season.
Happy holidays to Sam, Chad, Josh and to all my fellow Lohuders. May you all get to spend time with those who give you happiness. Even Brian Cash can talke a breather.
NYY will be fine with Gardner/Hoffmann. We have 8 all-stars we don’t need 9.
This year we aren’t paying “yankee tax”, or falling for the “one dumb owner” trick to sign MH.
Holiday message to Holliday-
We’ll match anything the Cards can offer you but we aint gettin fleeced so if you really dont want to be a Yank just become a Card.
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
signed,
The management
P.S. you blew it because you could have been countin trophies and money.
“On MLB 09, I started the 2010 season. Ramiro Pena slumped badly, so had to optioned him. Created Kevin Russo, called him up and inserted in RF cause Swisher was tried. Russo went 4-4 in his debut with a grand slam, a solo shot, a single, and a double. That’s an awesome debut, lol. Who he did that to? Lackey and the Sox, at Yankee Stadium”
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nice. Keep me updated, on the season
btw, when i was pitching to Granderson (he was still on Detroit) he was the one star player i refused to hit
merry Christmas, Ed
Ed I have 2k9, is there available live rosters?
I already did the trades myself, the Yankees are currently updated roster wise, but still to lazy to manually do it for the other teams
Kelvin, no.
vinny;
you too
Phil the Thrill
The 41 Yanks had
Rizzuto SS HoF
Gordon 2B Hof
Rolfe 3B All Star
Selkirk 1b All Star
DiMaggio CF HoF
Henrich RF All Star
Keller LF All Star
Dickey C HoF
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Small correction. Johnny Sturm was the 1B for the ’41 Yankees and Dickey was limited to less than 350 AB’s sharing time with Buddy Rosar. Selkirk was winding down his career as a backup OF. However, point taken.
MTU…You have a little bit of swagger that was once George Steinbrenner……I admire the fact that you just lay it on the line and you go on the record…..You have onions my man
Does anyone know where you can buy one of those poles for Festivus?
Joe,
you’re right. I did that off the top of my head and should have checked it. Anyway, the Keller-DiMaggio-Henrich OF was probably the greatest of all time, and if not for WWII both Keller and Henrich would probably be in the Hall with DiMaggio and their other teammates.
Now his dad is pushing him to the Cards? The man who is supposedly a Yankee fan? I have never heard so much about a player’s father than I have about Matt Holliday’s dad. For his sake, I hope he does what he wants because, in the end, it’s his career.
Pat-
I’ll take that as a compliment, and coming from someone like yourself who really knows baseball it’s a terrific compliment.
I just can’t seem to let go of the idea of a new murderer’s row.
What a wonderful fantasy.
Anyway,
Have a joyous, safe, and healthy Holiday.
I’ve been reading throughout the day, busy with all Christmans Eve prep. Now we’re going out to some good friends for supper and some good wine. But first, two items –
1. I don’t know where Matt Holliday is going, and I certainly believe Cashman when he “promises” there will be no big name acquisitions. Still, business people have an expression – “things changed”. If Holliday and Boras come off their price, to something the Yankees feel they can work with, I have to believe, “things” will change.
We’ll see.
2. I want to wish everyone who is part of this community – especially GB7 – get well fast – a very Merry Christmas and Holiday Season. And that includes Sam, Chad, Josh, and the staff that keeps this blog going.
Let’s Go Yankees!
Agreed Phil. I replayed all the AL years between 1920-1955 on Strat-O-Matic and that outfield was head and shoulders above any other combination during that time period. Keller’s career was also shortened due to a history of back injuries.
Over at Baseball Analysts, there is an actual copy of the 2010 HOF ballot.
http://baseballanalysts.com/
With all due respect to Matt Holliday’s father, it’s pretty laughable if he’s doing this to gain leverage over the Yankees. The Yankees don’t want his son THAT bad – they’ll be fine if he goes to the Cards. This isn’t like CC because the Yankees needed CC and they wanted him badly.
Message to “Precious”:
Live long and prosper.
And have a nice Xmas too !
P.S. I think you should re-visit the idea of making anymore jumps though. Unless you do them my way.
Merry Christmas.
It seems pretty curious that there are now “reports” that Bay, all of a sudden, has a bunch of suitors after it had appeared that the Mets were his only option.
My thinking is that most of these “rumors” have been spread by his agent in an attempt to rekindle a quiet market, and probably have little basis in fact.
Rich-
“You only hear what they want you to hear.”
Happy Hollidays, Sam/Chad/Josh – we got a wonderful gift when you guys took over the blog. Sam, enjoy your chinese food and Sherlock Homes, lol
Crawford is a bad deal and the Yanks would be foolish to sign him to a big deal. Once his legs go, that’s it..
I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see Johnny Damon back in Pinstripes……He’d stillbe an upgrade over Gardner, but Johnny’s on fumes…So how long will he still be a factor, genes or no genes
No thanks to Holliday and Crawford — too much $$$ and long term deals will hinder our flexibility.
Gardner stinks, period. He is a 4th OFer.
Don’t want Damon back either and he won’t crawl back and the Yankees won’t cave.
No thanks on Nady – He had 2 TJs and is too risky.
Don’t want a trade— we already depleted our farm, no need to deplete it more.
I want a good, solid left fielder who can be ours for the next few years. Not this revolving door of below average guys.
Happy Holidays to everyone (except any BOS trolls)!
Before I forget, I just want to extend to all My fellow LoHuders a very Merry Christmas & a safe and Rewarding Happy Holiday……Even with all the disputes and disagreements, in a sense we’re Yankee Family……
Joe,
Keller got hurt after he got back from the war, but his first year back he was still a great player. He had been a great player for several years before the war, and his OPS+ and wRC+ both place him among the 20 greatest hitters of all time even factoring in his early decline and his missing war years. You give him back the missing seasons which we can take for granted as being on the same level as his last season before and his first year back. He’d easily get in if they did, and he didn’t start the fricking war, he just kicked ass on both sides of it.
people have got to stop making totally false accusations about people…its one thing to think a player isnt good but look at the stats
gardner hit .270/.345/.379
sure the slugging is bad but he got on base at a decent clip and with his 26/31 steals and good defense he is a valuable player…people make gardner out to be ransom and that is simply false
MTU, your 6:01 post sums up things pretty nicely.
Merry Christmas Lohudders (members of the underbelly)!
good lineup:
Jeter
NJ
Tex
A-Rod
Po
Grandy
Cano
Swish
Gritty
Better lineup:
Jetes
Johnny D
Tex
A-Rod
Po
Cano
NJ
Swish
Grandy
Monster lineup:
Jetes
NJ
Tex
A-Rod
Holliday
Po
Cano
Swish
Grandy
Happy Holidays to all! This a wonderful blog and my very favorite. I have been a Yankees fan nearly 60 years! It’s been a family tradition and now my 16 year old will carry the torch. Like my father who used to listen to all the west coast games on radio under his pillow in order not to wake my Mom, I order the MLB package on direct tv so my son and I can watch all that is Yankees. WE are so lucky to have Sam & Chad! They deserve a lot of praise for the WONDERUL job they do daily. I live in Vegas but its almost like I still live on the Grand Concourse.
Phil,
WWII presents so many fascinating what-ifs for what kind of careers would certain great players have had. Obviously Feller, DiMaggio, Williams, and Greenberg. But also such luminaries as Keller, Henrich, Gordon, Pesky, D. DiMaggio, Appling, McCoskey (I had a patient who once dated him. She spent an entire season at Briggs Stadium around Greenberg, Newhouser, Gehringer, etc. but all that really impressed her was McCoskey’s dancing ability. She also had a date take her to Louis-Schmeling II at Yankee Stadium although she was similarly unimpressed with the sporting aspect and more interested with the guy.).
I know I’m rambling a bit, but there is one quite interesting observation I must make about the Splendid Splinter that many may not realize. Although he won the MVP twice (’46, ’49), he twice won the Triple Crown (’42, ’47) and batted over .400 (’41) without winning the award. This is of course partly related to his less than congenial relationship with the voting press.
Hppy Holiday to everyone and to you too Laura!
Great job here by Sam, Chad, and Josh. Many of us feared the demise of this site once we heard Pete was leaving, but I think it has been even much better in the last 3 months.
Of course, a World Series helps that. But, there have been over 600 comments today on Christmas Eve, when there hasn’t been a single noteworthy transaction! That is nearly unheard of.
So, I look forward to a great 2010 on the Lohud Yankees blog, and a Merry Christmas to all!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone.
Thank you again for all your hard work, Sam and Chad. You guys are doing an outstanding job.
Happy Holidays to all my fellow Lo-Hudders!
Message to Johny Damon
“I’ll buy you a diamond ring my friend if it makes you feel alright
I’ll get you anything my friend if it makes you feel alright
‘Cause I don’t care too much for money, money can’t buy you love”
We want you back, just sign already.
Merry Christmas to Sam, Chad, Josh and all the LoHud bloggers.
Let’s have confidence that Brian Cashman will end the year by getting the correct leftfielder to finish off a good offseason’s worth of work.
jack-lv nv…….My Grandparents used to live at 1930 Grand Concourse, not far from Tremont Ave…..
MTU
Rich-
“You only hear what they want you to hear.”
I do?
Merry Christmas to all the fans of the 2009, 2010 & 2011 World Series Champion New York Yankees !!!
-6 pound 8 ounce baby Joba @5:53 pm
FOOLISH!!
Pat M, I was born in Lebanon Hospital in 1949, just afew blocks fron your grandparents. It was a great place to grow up!
I think my dad grew up off the Grand Concourse.
To everyone who bleeds Yankee Blue,
Whatever your holiday, enjoy it!
Good job Chad, Sam and Josh,
Nice, young clean cut guys.
St Louis read the Jeff Passan article (Big Time value) at yahoo sports,indicating the Yankees and Sawx are ready to pounce on Holliday and Bay.
Because of the long wait, Jeff Passan says it favors the Yankees and Sawx to be able to scoop them up at a bargain price.
I say, No way either come to a team on the cheap, betcha.
born in Lebanon Hospital in The Bronx 3 blocks from the old Yankee Stadium – raised all over the world – definitely into the LoHud Yankee site for all news Yankee. Enjoyed Pete Abe, really enjoy the current crew delivering the news. Appreciate the give-and-take, don’t really contribute much but an occasional jibe. Happy Holidays to all, whether you worship God/Allah/Obama/Buddha/Bush/Lightbulbs/Whatever. And to all, A Good Night.
ts
Passan doesn’t really say they are ready to pounce. He is recommending that they do:
“What the Red Sox and Yankees front offices must do is convince their owners that Holliday and Bay are so cheap and so attractive that the millions extra spent in payroll would be worthwhile. This is not easy, especially for the Yankees, who have $196.1 million committed to 14 players this season after acquiring pitcher Javier Vazquez(notes) in a trade with the Braves.”
jack lv nv…..I remember as a kid I’d serve Mass at St. Margaret’s Catholic Church…..It was in between The Concourse and Jerome Ave on Tremont…..I mean this was in the early 60′s, and the neighborhood was still real nice, very Yittish…..
What’s frustrating about our outfield situation, is that I was actually comfortable with Melky starting in LF. I prefer Holliday, but was comfortable with the Melkman.
I am not comfortable with Gardner. Gardner IMO is the perfect backup/4th outfielder, but too weak a hitter to start.
MTU,
I think the Yankees should choose one of the lineups you posted. Those are the only three I would consider. While I would love the monster one, if I had to guess I would say the middle one is the one it’ll be..what say you?
“What’s frustrating about our outfield situation, is that I was actually comfortable with Melky starting in LF. I prefer Holliday, but was comfortable with the Melkman.
I am not comfortable with Gardner. Gardner IMO is the perfect backup/4th outfielder, but too weak a hitter to start.”
Totally agree. Only plus with Gardner is his speed.
Maybe Cashman will trade for a left fielder. I don’t see him going with Gardner as the full time outfielder.
Well just to repeat what we posted last season about Mr. Gardner, learn to bunt and he’d easily add 2 hits per 100 at bats….That would get him close to .300…..
Blake-
I just dont know anymore but I think one of those three makes the most sense.
As you have pointed out a few times the Yankees could just go with Gardener.
I would love to see Cash and co. fix the LF for a while rather than just applying another patch.
that’s where a guy like MH comes in handy.
Many have argued for CC from the Rays but he may not even hit the market, and if he does he’ll likely cost almost as much as MH.
the prices are realative bargains this year. Who knows what next year will bring ?
I say go for it, offer a time-limited 16-18 x up to 6 year and just be done with it.
the Monster lineup will put up historic, or near historic #’s
will provide protection for A-rod
And add great depth in the event that one of the aging members goes down, or in case we run into the unexpected in general. MH is an insurance policy and almost guarantees championships for as far as the eye can see.
In sum, with MH, the farm, our new focus on obtaining quality players, and the hopeful addition of Chapman we will become nearly invincible.
I LIKE THE THOUGHT !!!!!!!!
Crawford is an excellent player. Great speed, good hitter with some pop and a good defender. He slots in well as the #2 hitter. If you can find a stop gap for a year, he would be an excellent acquistion for left field next year. He’s only 29. Multidimensional talent as opposed to the one dimensional Bay and Holliday.
pat, u are so right about gardner. how is it that a guy with his speed doesnt know how to bunt, which is such a learnable skill and so complimentary to his game. not only would he get a bunch more bunt hits, but the infielders would play closer to the plate and that would give him a few more hits through the infield. its pretty unbelievable that he got this far w/o honing that skill
orto-
Not knocking CC.
What if he never hits the market ?
Personally I like Holliday better but I see your POV.
It’s just different than mine that’s all.
A to D.
orto-
One other thing.
MH is no sloth.
he is of course no match for a gazelle like CC but he can mash, and CC cant touch that.
Also, MH is a great athlete in his own right. He was a multi-sport athlete.
The guy is far from 1D.
pat, Ham
Agreed, how does a player with his speed get this far and not be at least a decent threat to bunt. Somebody “dropped the ball” in the minors.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all my friends on this blog. This is obviously a place to chat Yankees, but I love talking with you guys about anything – it’s a real community.
Cash is aware of the lack of depth in the OF and he’s going to work on fixing that. It’s a good feeling to have total confidence in your GM……
Betsy-
Hope you can find peace and equanimity going forward.
Anyone ever see the Year Without Santa Claus? It’s one of those Rankin/Bass specials I love so much (Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Nestor the Long-Eared Donkey, etc…..). This is the one with Heat Miser and Snow Miser – absolutely classic, lol. It’s on now – I just love this. They don’t have any funny Jewish tv specials, lol
MTU – thank you, you too! Even though I don’t celebrate Christmas, I love this time of year – it’s so festive.
Betsy-
Could i ask you a personal question ?
“pat, Ham
Agreed, how does a player with his speed get this far and not be at least a decent threat to bunt. Somebody “dropped the ball” in the minors.”
…all i can say is holy cow!
Gardener needs to spend a week chained to Micky Rivers.
Gardner just needs to hit the ball down toward the ground, and forget about swinging for the fences…..and he needs to learn how to bunt….Merry Christmas to all, go Yanks in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!
…or brett butler (too bad scooter’s not around anymore)
Ham, That was the knock on Mickey Rivers when he played in Anaheim…..The first thing Billy Martin had him do when he came to The Yanks was to learn to bunt….Rivers became a .300 hitter, and it helped close the hole in his swing when facing lefties…..I’m certain that something Curtis Granderson will be working on when he arrives at Tampa….He’s terrible vs. lefties on breakers down & away….He’ll be driving that pitch to left or he’ll simply drop a bunt to 3rd……Gardner & bunting was a big topic here last winter, it would improve his offense game significantly
The Bleacher report is speculating a Damon return to the sawx. JAVY might have a De Ja Vu moment if that were to happen.
Merry Christmas folks!
Fundamentals was a big subject last winter in conjunction with the Garndner can’t bunt topic…..I remember before you were allowed to take full bp, you had to drop at least 2 down each line and drop 2 deadbunts in front of the plate….Cox would tear you a new one if you failed in the bunting drills…..You can beat your behind that you’re in the cages for an hour after practice refining your bunting skills and technics
Gardner doesn’t have to try to hit the ball on the ground. That will just lead to more outs. He needs to hit line drives like he was when he was on fire for a 10 weeks stretch before his hand injury. He’s a solid player.
What I’d like to see done in left field aside from Holliday, is see about bringing Nady back. If he’s healthy, he’s probably the best choice for this team especially with how left handed we are.
MTU -it depends. Um, how personal?
Pat-
it always amazes me when i see a ML Ballplayer
who doesn’t know how to bunt.
It seems like such a fundamental skill for a ballplayer.
It should be almost like brushin their teeth, or combing their hair (not Brett’s hair).
betsy-
it’s just about your name and background. If you would rather me not ask that’s cool.
No to Nady……..
I remember that conversation about bunting….it’s inexcusable that Gardner is so poor at that. He might want to learn the art of the Baltimore chop – anything to make use of his speed.
No way does Damon return to the Sox.
MTU, go right ahead………I’m game, fire away!
It amazes me too, because it seems to me that anyone should be able to bunt with some hard work……It’s a skill, not an ability you are born with (like hittin HRs or throwing a killer curve).
Merry Christmas to all!
betsy-
Like you Xmas is not my official Holiday.mine is the same as yours. I have never heard anyone from our particular tribe with your name and I was just curious about that. that’s all.
MTU, Betsy, Happy Holidays too!
Noreaster-
gracias. Happy Holidays to you.
MTU, I was named after my grandfather, who was Benjamin…
Noreaster, happy holidays to you as well!
MLB is showing highlights of 2009′s greatest games…..they just finished with game 3 ALCS (boo!)
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
MLB.com: So you got the Walter Payton jersey, but was there a gift that you wanted that never came — the one that got away?
Granderson: My parents treated me very well. I never asked for too much. It’s funny, when I watch commercials and I see the one for Lexus. People are getting cars for Christmas, with a big bow on it? I never had that, but that would have been a nice one.
***LOL – Granderson’s right about the car with the bow on it!
betsy-
thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
Kinda cozy in here tonite.
Not gonna be that much to discuss for a little while.
And then all of sudden all Hell will break loose again.
MTU, no problem – yep. I’m going to probably take a break and come down later; I want to catch up on some DVDs I just bought.
Happy Merry to all. I was born in Bronx Hospital (no longer around) lived on 163rd Street…
Happy Holidays to all !
After a glass of Chardonney, everything looks rosy – especially the quality of the presents that Santa Cash left under the tree this year!
Soon, I’ll be planning the ‘batting order’ for the kitchen, ready for tomorrow (hard work, but worth it).
Cheers!
Pat M, SJ, Randy, CB, GB,
I really appreciate you guys posting on this blog. You provide such good information and care for the Yanks. So thank you.
Bronx Born
I was also born in a Bx. hospital (Parkchester General) that is no longer around.
Maybe Cashman signs a left fielder cheaply for 1 year. Marlon Byrd, Nady if healthy, Jonny Gomes.
That’s incredible Rose. I will not ask delicate questions of when for you… For me it was 1948.
Happy holidays, all
I must admit I am not unhappy with BG in left. I have a feeling this year, he will seize the opportunity and play baseball with his speed in mind.
Happy Happy Doris
How is everyone doing?
Like I good jew I just polished off the last of my xmas eve chinese food
Good job Doris. I miss eating in NY so very much.
Just dropped by to wish all of you who celebrate it the merriest of Christmases! The Yankees have once again put some very nice gifts in my stocking and under my tree. They continue to allow me to enjoy life in the offseason by making their decisions without my input
This gives me the freedom to actually have a life (while still making time to do things like watching Yankeeographies. Today I watched the Catfish Hunter Yankeeography.)
If you are doing any travelling, be safe.
XOX
Have a Merry Trisha
Bronx Born
You are such a gentleman! I am 4 years older than you.
Grew up on Taylor Ave. in the Soundview section of the Bx.
Pleased to meet you Ms. Rose. Where do you reside these days?
Why does anyone believe that Casey Kotchman is even close to the same player as Nick Johnson? Don’t drink the Gammons koolaid. Kotchman is a career 95 OPS+ player, Nick Johnson 120 OPS+. THey hit for the same average, Kotchman has no power, Nick Johnson has only 1 season of no power. Johnson on bases far more than Kotchman in his career.
Kotchman has always been an empty average hitter in his career, he lacks HR power. His only ability is playing defense, which NJ can do but likely won’t to keep healthy.
Also saying that the red sox #9 hitter is better than NJ, which isn’t true, also ignores that the Yankees 1-8 hitters are better than the Red Sox 1-8 hitters, so whatever.
Bronx Born
I live in Northern Westchester County, NY.
Where do you live?
Just checking in on my LoHud fam. and wanted to wish each and every one of you a Merry Christmas if that’s what you celebrate, or Happy Holidays for all the other great celebrations this time of year!
It’s been an exciting and rough year at the same time. I’m done wrapping, as this is the first Christmas for me and the misses since we got married, so it’s a special one. Anyway, maybe there’ll be a little something under the tree from Cash tomorrow? If not, I’m a big boy, and can wait until next ‘holiday’ when he can add another couple (double)letters of the alphabet to the team.
Good night all!
Bronx Born, Well I must Thank You for linking me with such luminaries, as it’s quite an honor….I grew up in Mt. Vernon ( 1956-1962 ) and then Bronxville until I moved to So. Cal……I played ( hustled )lots of stickball in the Bronx when I was in my teens…..I’m glad that the Bronx is gradually being reborn…..One of my favorite pizza joints is Yankee Pizza, just up the hill on 161 st, one block past The Yankee Tavern……Glad you’re part of the LoHud family, it really is the best Yankee site going….
“Why does anyone believe that Casey Kotchman is even close to the same player as Nick Johnson? Don’t drink the Gammons koolaid.”
Gammons loves the Red Sox so I am not surprised by his bias.
Boston’s #9 hitter – Casey Kotchman, is a young Nick Johnson and 10x better than Gardner.
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Try 15% better than Brett Gardner, and Gardner’s OBP and average are around kotchman, kotchman just has more power which isn’t difficult when comparing to Brett. Brett will steal more and play superior defense at a more difficult position.
I totally agree Pat. It does feel like family as you said. It is funny how we all get together here. During game time it gets a bit strange but somehow I feel like we are all at the ballpark together and some of us are a bit drunk and some of us a bit loud, but it is a glorious game. Again, I really appreciate your posts and look for them. If you would do me the honor and click on my link (name). There is a poem there I would love you to read.
“Maybe Cashman signs a left fielder cheaply for 1 year. Marlon Byrd, Nady if healthy, Jonny Gomes.”
No thanks. Stick with Gardner if they aren’t getting a star.
I am in Clearwater, Fl Rose. I lived in La La land for many years, even lived in Nashville for a spell. But now am in Florida, which is an entirely strange place to be.
Escobar close to the Mets. That could work out well.
“No thanks. Stick with Gardner if they aren’t getting a star.”
I suggested those players if Cashman does not intend to spend big money on a star player.
Don’t think Gardner can handle left field for the year. Not good enough.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
You to Murph… you are a heck of a good guy!
Bronx Born
Well at least you don’t have to worry about snow.
Very true Rose, but I have to worry about rednecks. lol… and lack of good food and culture and poetry. But I work at it…
“Don’t think Gardner can handle left field for the year. Not good enough.”
We don’t know that. There is some reason to think he can (two months of a .900+ OPS, impressive UZR in CF).
Maybe that’s illsuroy, but I don’t see why Gardner’s attempt to prove that it isn’t should be truncated by marginal players.
If they don’t sign a star, they can upgrade, if necessary, by the trading deadline.
Did everyone read Rob Neyer’s take on the Vazquez trade?
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....ld-be-no-1
Bronx Born
You have the Yankees to watch during the baseball season. They should keep your mind off the negatives.lol
I know I know Rose, It is what to do until then.
“If they don’t sign a star, they can upgrade, if necessary, by the trading deadline.”
That’s true but I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman makes a trade before Spring Training.
I know you like Gardner but Melky was considered a 4th outfielder and was a better player than Gardner. Gardner had more speed than Melky and that was about it. As many of us said about Gardner, he should be a proficient bunter, which he is not.
That’s true but I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman makes a trade before Spring Training.
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Rose,
I agree with you. Just like when Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting Center Fielder. Gardner is a 4th OF and should be the back-up.
Bronx Born
I have faith in you. You will come up with something.
Rose
It’s not really about Gardner. It’s that Bryd has a 99 career OPS+, Gomes has a 109 career OPS+ (which is OK, but he’s very inconsistent), and Nady has a 108 career OPS+ (and likely won’t be ready early in the season). Consequently, the upgrade from any of those players won’t necessarily be significant.
It’s not out of the question that Gardner can be very close to what Ellsbury is offensively, with a similar ability to steal bases, and far better defense.
If Cash can make a trade for a significant upgrade, great. But if it’s a marginal upgrade, I would pass for now.
Rich in NJ-
If Cash can make a trade for a significant upgrade, great. But if it’s a marginal upgrade, I would pass for now.
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would you consider De Jesus a significant or a marginal upgrade?
Happy holidays everyone!
akamgkrebs
In between, but worthwhile if the price is right.
The Yankees have already shed two very good prospects in Jackson and Vizcaino (Dunn was a top ten prospect as well). I doubt that they want to weaken the farm system much further.
Gardner has just too many terrible at bats…..There are times he just looks way overmatched……He has displayed a sense of improving, however he’s still going to get pinch hit for….
rich in nj-
In between, but worthwhile if the price is right.
The Yankees have already shed two very good prospects in Jackson and Vizcaino (Dunn was a top ten prospect as well). I doubt that they want to weaken the farm system much further.
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Thanks for your view. What do you think of a trade, Gardner & either Gaudin or Mitre for De Jesus?
There’s nothing wrong with pinch hitting for Gardner in the late innings. That doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t get an opportunity.
akamgkrebs
I would do it. I think KC would want more.
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We are going to need another outfielder even if its just for depth. Unless we have someone ready at AAA. I don’t think we have such a player. A guy like Reed Johnson could make sense as a platoon partner for Gardner.
Rich in NJ
I would do it. I think KC would want more.
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Maybe, but I think I’m in the ballpark. KC gets a starting pitcher & Gardner, who’s they’d like to play CF. In addition. they would cut between $1.7 million and $2.7 million in payroll, depending on which pitcher they take. if I’m off by little bit, a few $100,000 cash should balance it off.
They Yankees get a very good fielding LF, who’s offensive numbers are better than either Melky, now gone, or what you could expect from Gardner.
And if we are to believe the rumors, KC is shopping De Jesus.
With all the trades that have happened this year, it seems very unlikely that it would be prudent to go that route again for a LF that wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. To get a better LF would cost quite a bit more in prospects and it leaves the Yankees with less to have for their own club.
The above trade proposal isn’t enough to get DeJesus. They don’t seem to have much motivation to trade him, so that means you have to go over even to get them thinking about it.
The FA market for a LF has very good players on it, and then it rapidly falls off.
They might just stick with Gardner and hope he turns around his batting problems.
Bay vs. Holliday
Holliday in AL
93 games 286 BA 11 HR 54 RBI 378 OBP
Holliday in NL
63 games 353 BA 13 HR 43 RBI 419 OBP
was great in NL rather mediocre in AL
Bay all in AL
151 games 267 BA 36 HR 119 RBI 384 OBP
Bay hit for more power more RBI in the AL East
Holliday struggled in the AL and thats where he`ll be if the Yanks sign him.
Bay has proven track record. Holliday looks great in Coors or in the weaker NL
I say Bay by far
Abdababdaserser-
They don’t seem to have much motivation to trade him, so that means you have to go over even to get them thinking about it.
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Maybe, but Rosenthal said, “the team is open to trading DeJesus.”
He just seems like a much better value than any of the other non-Holliday suggestions.$4,7 million in 2010, with a team option $6 million in 2011.
“was great in NL rather mediocre in AL”
Holliday’s AL stats are skewed by a bad April (.648 OPS). He still had a 120 OPS+ with Oakland.
Straight no chaser… (if the link below works)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and general good will to all.
akamgkrebs I don’t put much faith in what Rosenthal says, too often he throws things out there just to have something out there. Besides, a trade like that means you give away Gardner who would be the backup outfielder and Hoffman is a bit question mark for being able to stick with the club.
I think KC would want a prospect equivalent to McAllister included. I don’t think the Yankees can keep emptying the system. That’s why I think Chapman is a necessity (assuming they are high on him) because the system is depleted. If you add Chapman, and some of the TJ surgery recipients show they are healthy, they can then trade from strength again, or have more in house solutions, if needed.
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Besides, a trade like that means you give away Gardner who would be the backup outfielder and Hoffman is a bit question mark for being able to stick with the club.
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It seems to me that a problem of who’s your backup outfielder is much less of a problem than who’s your starting LF.
chippy, if batters change that much from one league to another, then I guess Pujols really isn’t good either. Right?
Teixeira had a terrible April. It seems because of that he should have been traded away.
Or maybe one bad month, which happens with many players, skewed the numbers. Go look at the month by month. Look at which player is more consistent with the bat.
Bay is terrible defensively. He also has shown himself to be very streaky with the bat, he also got very pull happy.
There is a reason why Bay is considered below Holliday by just about everyone. Its because he is. For the contract amount difference, it makes no sense for the Yankees to cut a couple million a year off salary for an inferior player.
Besides, its most likely that the Yankees are not signing either one of them.
The Yankeeography is very good – I ordered the DVD, though, because of the extras.
I really hope the Yankees improve LF before the season as I think teams will try and hold us up afterwards when it’s obvious Gardner can’t hack it. However, no trades for now – we’ve depleted the farm system a bit and I don’t believe Cash is going to want to do it again.
Rich, the Yankees didn’t deplete the system THAT much. I want Chapman, but I don’t agree that he’s a necessity.
It seems to me that a problem of who’s your backup outfielder is much less of a problem than who’s your starting LF.
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Its the whole package of the cost. It will take a good deal more to entice KC to trade DeJesus, then the Yankees would have to also sign some FA to be backup, while they reduced the farm system even further.
Abdababdaserser-
chippy, if batters change that much from one league to another, then I guess Pujols really isn’t good either. Right?
Teixeira had a terrible April. It seems because of that he should have been traded away.
Or maybe one bad month, which happens with many players, skewed the numbers. Go look at the month by month. Look at which player is more consistent with the bat.
Bay is terrible defensively. He also has shown himself to be very streaky with the bat, he also got very pull happy.
There is a reason why Bay is considered below Holliday by just about everyone. Its because he is. For the contract amount difference, it makes no sense for the Yankees to cut a couple million a year off salary for an inferior player.
Besides, its most likely that the Yankees are not signing either one of them.
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Agree with you on this one, especially the defense. Cash was looking to upgrade the OF defense, his highest priority after “pitching, pitching pitching”. Bay doesn’t do that. Holliday does.
Betsy
They have traded AJack (#1 in 2009 according to BA), Vizcaino (at least #3 in 2010 according to BA), and Dunn (#6 according to Fangraphs), who were all on the list of their top ten prospects. Beyond that they traded IPK, who was a former top five prospect, and Coke who was rated #8 in 2009.
That’s a depletion of the higher levels of the system.
Signing Chapman only begins to replenish the system. They need a great draft and internal improvement (and as I mentioned, recovery) as well.
Mark Feinsand seems to think the Yankees are serious about giving BG a chance to start, but I think he’s really naive if he believes that…….
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Its the whole package of the cost. It will take a good deal more to entice KC to trade DeJesus, then the Yankees would have to also sign some FA to be backup, while they reduced the farm system even further.
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i understand the total package part, but I just don’t get the part about Gardner, because, what you’re actually saying is that you wouldn’t include Gardner in any trade to get a legitimate starting OF, and that just doesn’t fly. Is the cost of a free agent LF really cheaper?
“Christmas at my house is always at least six or seven times more pleasant than anywhere else. We start drinking early. And while everyone else is seeing only one Santa Claus, we’ll be seeing six or seven.”
- W. C. Fields
Rich, Dunn IMO is nothing special – Fangraphs must be nuts if they had him #6 ahead of all the other talented youngsters. Coke was no longer in the minor leagues, so I don’t count him. Vizcaino is a loooooooooong way away from the majors.
As I’ve said, I don’t want the Yankees to make another trade (for a LF) because they have depleted the system somewhat…..but only somewhat. I just don’t think the situation is as desperate as you are making it out to be.
I think the Yankees are serious about Gardner…until and unless a better option comes along at the right price. The problem is that most of the names mentioned outside of Holliday aren’t better or aren’t worth the money.
Betsy
Dunn has a lot of upside. The issue is command.
You are missing the larger point: Whatever you say about the prospect in question, they were the best they had. It’s not like they had a top rated system, and now it’s considerably worse.
It needs replenishment.
Chapman helps do that.
akamgkrebs, Look, there is no sense in going on with this. You have your view on this and I have mine, and being the holidays its not worth getting myself frustrated by you being obtuse about what I post, then pick one small portion to go on about.
Abdababdaserser-
I certainly don’t want to argue about what you perceive to be obtuse, and what I perceive to be a fallacy in logic.
Subject is dropped.
Happy Hollidays everyone! (just kidding—I think the team is good enough as it is to win next year)
Rich, that’s a pretty big issue to have………The Yankees still have a good, solid system – very good, in fact, considering where they draft and the fact that they are consistent winners. AJax was not better than Montero, either was Dunn. They lost Kennedy, who wasn’t really ever going to be a factor on this team and Jackson’s ceiling, most would agree, is Granderson (and that’s if he reaches it).
We can agree to disagree…..regardless, I do hope the Yankees sign Chapman. I don’t know what their interest level is – I think he’s going to want a major league deal and the Yankees won’t give him that.
“Signing Chapman only begins to replenish the system. They need a great draft and internal improvement (and as I mentioned, recovery) as well.”
They need the same type of draft that they had in 2009, other than that, I think you’re overestimating the value of the players traded away.
“I think he’s going to want a major league deal and the Yankees won’t give him that”
says who? they gave one to brackman
Regarding Chapman, I’m all for signing him as long as the Yankees feel he’s worth the money. If not then pass on him and sign the international players that the Yankees have already targeted for 2010.
By the way, Jackson was essentially replaced by Granderson in the Yankees eyes as their CF for the next four years. As for LF, we’ll see how that plays out this offseason and what Cashman is really thinking of doing there long-term.
Betsy
They were rated in the middle of mL systems prior to the recent trades. They have to be in or close to the bottom third now. It really doesn’t matter so much if the players would have necessarily been on the Yankees as much as they were assets, whether to be used in trades or developed for the big club.
Again, saying that the system is depleted is not to argue that the trades weren’t worthwhile; they were.
But the system needs to be replenished ASAP because you never know when new age-relate declines or injuries will necessitate other moves.
“They need the same type of draft that they had in 2009, other than that, I think you’re overestimating the value of the players traded away.”
As I just posted, the value of the players is only one consideration. These players are assets that provide depth in case of injuries or declines, whether it be through in house promotions or trades.
The trades were good, but the inventory in the mLs has been diminished. That’s why they need a good draft and to sign Chapman, assuming his workout went as well as has been reported.
Ralphie, the Yankees don’t think (Cash already came out and said this) that he’s close to being MLB ready. Also, they aren’t going to add $15-25 million to the payroll for an unproven kid……
Rich, there is no way the Yankees are at the bottom third based on these trades…….
Also, I’m not arguing that the system wasn’t depleted a bit – it’s obviously a matter of degree. Craw is right – Granderson is our CF for the forseeable future.
The Yankees have a very good scouting organization/system in place; I see no reason why they won’t continue to have solid drafts.
“The trades were good, but the inventory in the mLs has been diminished. That’s why they need a good draft and to sign Chapman, assuming his workout went as well as has been reported.”
What it means is that players the Yankees acquired over the last couple of years have to step forward with their progression as players. If they do that then the Yankees will be fine. I expect good things out of several pitchers acquired last season for instance and for some of our young outfielders to really show their skill level in their promotions to more advance leagues.
As far as the 2010 draft and international free agent signings, I think Cashman expects the flow of good prospects to continue after all the hard work he and his team put in place to ensure that result.
“Rich, there is no way the Yankees are at the bottom third based on these trades…….”
Betsy,
Rich is basing that grade on what outside publications like BA think of our system. However, that doesn’t mean the Yankees nor the other ML teams think the current Yankee system is rated that low.
I think all signs poit to the yankees signing a LF. cash has ruled out holliday and bay, which I think is reasonable due to payroll restrictions. One reason as to why payroll is so tight- the yankees are losing an estimated $15 million from the japanese media after the departure of hideki matsui. that’s another thing cutting into the finances. Anyway, I would not like DeRosa in LF (overrated) or Byrd (beware of career year guys). Dye wouldn’t bother me at all hitting 6th in the lineup, but his UZR is atrocious, and he is a worse fielder than Damon. Speaking of Damon, I think that’s where it brings us back to. If Holliday re-ups in STL (which I think will happen) and DeRosa goes to San Fran that leaves very few suitors remaining for Damon. i think at the end of the day he will cut his losses and come crawling back to us. Sure the yankees could stretch the supposed 4 million dollar budget by a couple mil if it means bringing back damon.
Mark my words, Johnny Damon is coming back to the Yankees. It will be a 1 year deal with a mutual option for 2011. The deal will be worth 7-8 million base with games played incentives that could push it up to 10-12 million. It makes too much sense not to happen.
Johnny doesn’t want to go anywhere else, and truthfully, I don’t think we want him anywhere else.
“Ralphie, the Yankees don’t think (Cash already came out and said this) that he’s close to being MLB ready. Also, they aren’t going to add $15-25 million to the payroll for an unproven kid……”
i agree its the right thing but if they gave one to brackman they might for chapman…both names end in “man” afterall lol
Regarding the Mets and Escobar……It’s probably a good, low-risk move, but shouldn’t building the pen be a tad lower on the list of priorities? They’re really depending on a lot of bounceback years (Maine, Pelfrey, Perez) from their starters.
crawdaddy
Sums up my point well. I don’t think anyone would argue that they are now a top ten system, or that it doesn’t need replenishing.
If you think that Chapman is close to Strasburg, he becomes a necessity.
Just because Granderson is better than AJack, it doesn’t end the discussion. AGAIN, it was a good trade, but an AJack-like prospect can be used to fill other needs.
Also, if the Yankees had another near ML ready OF prospect, the case for signing Holliday wouldn’t be as strong.
Craw, I agree….but if BA were to grade our system again, I don’t think we’d now be in the bottom third. They ranked the Yankees after the Granderson trade, when Kennedy and Jackson were already gone. Only Vizcaino is gone from that top ten list (a list many disagree with – especially with regards to Bleich and Brackman).
“What it means is that players the Yankees acquired over the last couple of years have to step forward with their progression as players. If they do that then the Yankees will be fine. I expect good things out of several pitchers acquired last season for instance and for some of our young outfielders to really show their skill level in their promotions to more advance leagues.”
I agree, but contingencies could arise that may necessitate a move before the class of prospects you referenced have established their value.
As I said, we need the TJ recipients to recover and pitch well.
“As far as the 2010 draft and international free agent signings, I think Cashman expects the flow of good prospects to continue after all the hard work he and his team put in place to ensure that result.”
I don’t doubt it. But a prospects as advanced as Chapman supposedly is offsets the slope of the development curve that other newly drafted and signed IFA prospects will have to overcome.
Betsy
As someone here mentioned, Vizcaino may be a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. That losss imposes a significant hit on how a system is rated.
I am reading the BA thread on Pinstripes Plus and it appears that Manuel did rip the farm system……..I don’t subscribe, so I can’t read the chat, but oh well. It really only matters if the Yankees like their kids; BA just never has anything nice to say about the Yankees.
How can a guy that hasn’t even pitched at A ball be a top 50 prospect?
Ialso think Johnny Damon is a better than 50 -50 chance to return to the Bronx….Not crazy about inking him for more than 1 year….
“I agree, but contingencies could arise that may necessitate a move before the class of prospects you referenced have established their value.”
My point is we don’t no the real value of our prospects. You’re basing their perceived value on what BA is telling you. That maybe fine with you, but it’s not for me nor is it for the 30 MLB teams.
“I don’t doubt it. But a prospects as advanced as Chapman supposedly is offsets the slope of the development curve that other newly drafted and signed IFA prospects will have to overcome.”
I’m not so sure some of our college drafted pitchers from last year aren’t more advanced than Chapman. If the Yankees don’t give Chapman an offer then we know what they really think of him. I think they want to take a closer look at him which is why there was a report that the Yankees want to arrange a private workout for him.
Gardner was the best bunter on the team. You guys have poor memory.
Gardner will vastly improve and adds a dimension of the game the Yankees are short on: speed.
Outside of Granderson and a slowing Jeter, the Yankees have become a slow team.
I know most of you don’t believe it but Gardner is more valuable to this lineup than another big name slugger.
“I am reading the BA thread on Pinstripes Plus and it appears that Manuel did rip the farm system……..I don’t subscribe, so I can’t read the chat, but oh well. It really only matters if the Yankees like their kids; BA just never has anything nice to say about the Yankees.”
I’ve been a subscriber to BA for several years, but I found they’ve been wrong too many times to consider them the end all in regard to the true value of most prospects. They based a lot of their prospect grades on how much a player signed for and depending on the prospect will either play up or dismiss the prospect’s actual performance.
“How can a guy that hasn’t even pitched at A ball be a top 50 prospect?”
He’s a top 50 prospect now that he’s a Brave.;)
Pat M, me either……..I just don’t see Damon crawling back, in any case.
Hey everyone Merry Christmas! Just caught up on the comments and saw the discussion regarding DeJesus. While I have been an advocate for him in the past, it would not make sense to lose Gardner and then gain DeJesus. What about someone like Cody Ross? What would we have to give up to get him? Also, I was looking through the list of the remaining FA, and it hit me…it’s a shame that Orlando Hudson doesn’t play LF because he would fit in nicely with this lineup.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. Time to go to bed and see what Santa brought me in the morning.
LOL Craw……..
It’s been a very interesting discussion, so Rich – thanks for an intersting debate. You’re an attorney, right? I thnk I held my own considering I’m just a mere paralegal and you’re used to arguing your cases, lol
Rich,
Are you the same Rich that use to post under Rich at NYYFAN site?
Merry Christmas, Craw – if you leave milk and cookies for the big guy, I’m sure you’ll get exactly what you want.
Hi Dee -Merry Christmas! Hmm, it’s 2 am on the east coast; why the heck am I still up?
“Hi Dee -Merry Christmas! Hmm, it’s 2 am on the east coast; why the heck am I still up?”
I know right! And I just got home from Christmas festivities. Crazy.
Craw, I’m not sure Rich is still here…….but I think he is; he recently mentioned that he stopped posting on NYYFans a few years ago
“My point is we don’t no the real value of our prospects. You’re basing their perceived value on what BA is telling you. That maybe fine with you, but it’s not for me nor is it for the 30 MLB teams.”
It doesn’t really matter to the discussion what rating system we use. It merely provides a system that aids the discussion.
So whether or not we say that the Yankees’ system is rated #11 or #16 or #21, it has taken a hit, a worthwhile hit, but a hit.
“I’m not so sure some of our college drafted pitchers from last year aren’t more advanced than Chapman. If the Yankees don’t give Chapman an offer then we know what they really think of him. I think they want to take a closer look at him which is why there was a report that the Yankees want to arrange a private workout for him.”
Again, that’s why I qualify everything I have said about Chapman subject to the Yankees’ pov, but the reports cited by Ed Price were excellent, and there is certainly a need.
By advanced, do you mean stage of development or upside or both? If upside, which ones?
craw
That was me (although a somewhat different me for reasons I won’t get into).
“How can a guy that hasn’t even pitched at A ball be a top 50 prospect?”
Betsy,
I think CB said that; I could be wrong.
What young pitchers do we have in AA or AAA that are recovering from injury and will pitch this year? Horne? He’s the only one I can think of – the others are all still recovering from TJ surgery
Even so, he’s obviously a very talented prospect.
I’m not sure if I read it here or elsewhere, but someone made a good point that all the Yankees really need to do is have a good, solid system. They are never going to get the greatest hitters or the best pitchers (the most obvious ones, anyway) because of where they pick. Given that they pick dead last (or close) every year, it’s a darn good feat that they are mid-pack (with the potential to be higher if their very young kids progress). Teams that have higher ranked systems are teams that were bad for a long time……
Ok, I’m exhausted and need to get some sleep. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone!
Gardner was the best bunter on the team. You guys have poor memory.
Gardner will vastly improve and adds a dimension of the game the Yankees are short on: speed.
Outside of Granderson and a slowing Jeter, the Yankees have become a slow team.
I know most of you don’t believe it but Gardner is more valuable to this lineup than another big name slugger.
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Perfekt point!
GO GARDI!
I don’t mind having BG starting. but I feel uncomfortable with Jamie Hoffmann as our number 4, that’s why I think we need a free agent OF. He doesn’t have to be Matt Holliday or Johnny Damon (although I really really like Damon), but even if it is a Reed Johnson type of guy, I want something better than we have.
Let´s go into the Season with Gardi and Hoffmann if it turns out that they can´t bring it! Trade for one! But maybe Cashman got the right man! I can´t say anything about Hoffmann, because I haven´t seen him!
Happy Holidays everyone.
Betsy
“I’m not sure if I read it here or elsewhere, but someone made a good point that all the Yankees really need to do is have a good, solid system. They are never going to get the greatest hitters or the best pitchers (the most obvious ones, anyway) because of where they pick. Given that they pick dead last (or close) every year, it’s a darn good feat that they are mid-pack (with the potential to be higher if their very young kids progress). Teams that have higher ranked systems are teams that were bad for a long time……”
Cashman doesn’t subscribe to this theory because he has said that the team he views as the model for player development is the Twins. They have a terrific scouting staff, and as result, they are able to find stars, like Morneau, in the 3rd round and compete on a relatively small payroll.
The Yankees compensate for their draft position by paying overslot and in their ability to sign international free agents. That’s why their system was universally rated in the top five a few years ago. Their drafting has been hurt by the economy to a degree because they haven’t been able to risk offering arbitration to departing Type A players that leave through free agency.
So even though they can still win by having a middle of the pack system, Cash knows that they will be unstoppable with a top system.
As he said when he got more power in 2005:
“We have the most money, there’s no secret about that,” Cashman said. “If you combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, then God help the rest of baseball.”
As an aside, Joba’s injury and subsequent regression from the starter he showed he could be in 2008 has set them back a little bit, and that is the main reason why the needed Vazquez.
btw, Gerrit Cole’s decision not to sign after leading them to believe otherwise was a HUGE blow.
The Yankees system has a long way to go to match teams like the Angels and Red Sox. Those teams draft low year in and year out and still seem to manage to come up with many more quality prospects than the Yankees do. Those organizations don’t make excuses, they just get it done. I’m not giving Cashman a pass on what a great system he has until he’s actually delivered something.
Cano is as good as Pedroia.
Robertson is as good as Bard.
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