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Minor moves: No more Chris Stewart

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 24, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After two good years with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, catcher Chris Stewart has moved on. It seems his role will be filled by Mike Rivera, who has reportedly signed a minor league deal with the Yankees. Rivera has 181 games of big league experience, and he’ll likely backup Jesus Montero in Triple-A.

Rivera is worth knowing because, if the Yankees need a catcher during the season, Rivera could get a Kevin Cash-style call-up.

According to Baseball America’s latest minor league transactions, Stewart has signed a minor league deal with the Padres. Yankees minor league free agent Jay Stephens signed with the Phillies with Cody Ransom and former Yankees minor league catcher Kevin Nelson. One-time Yankees spot starter Matt DeSalvo signed with the Marlins, as did former Yankees minor league closer Scott Strickland.

The only new Yankees signing reported is outfielder Javier Herrera, who looks to be little more than Double-A depth. He was once a fairly well-regarded prospect with the A’s, but he’s dealt with a series of injuries and was released last year. He’ll be 25 in April and has just five games of Triple-A experience.

Mark Newman said this week that he expects more minor league signings to be announced soon after the new year.

Quite the opposite of signings, some Yankees minor leaguers have been released: RHP Pablo Hernandez, RHP Alejandro Martinez, RHP Paul Patterson, RHP Brett Smith, RHP Jeff Williams, LHP Edwin Walker, 1B Chris Smith, OF Tommy Baldridge, OF Mitch Delaney, OF Chad Gross. If you’ve heard of any of them, it might be Smith, who had some prospect buzz for a while before injury problems. Williams came up from Low-A to pitch two Triple-A innings this year when the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre staff was thin. He was way out of his league, but he pitched two scoreless. Good guy.

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576 Responses to “Minor moves: No more Chris Stewart”

  1. Rick December 24th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

    interesting Yahoo article on Holliday and Bay

  2. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    merry Christmas, Chad

    when you typed Chris Smith, i was thinking of the kid (OF) drafted out of Compton? Do you know how he is doing?

  3. Corey December 24th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    So if not Holliday….Next best options?

    In order for me…..

    1. DeRosa
    2. Byrd
    3. Dye

  4. Jay December 24th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Didn’t relize there is a new post so I’ll repost:

    2010 version of GTLU

    Vs. Becket
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Arod
    Tex
    Posada
    Swisher
    Johnson
    Gardner

    Vs.lester
    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    Arod
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Hoffman
    Granderson

    No one can beat these hitters!!!

  5. chazzh December 24th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Chad-

    I have learned the Yanks signed OF Reid Gorecki to a minor league deal – he spent a little time in the majors with the Atlanta Braves last year – was originally in the St Louis system. I would figure him to be AAA depth.

  6. murphydog December 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....t_bay.html

    So much for “run prevention,” eh Theo? Gotta be tough being a boy genius, going in opposite directions at the same time. Gotta wear out a lot of sneakers that way.

    Actually all it says is that the Sox have had “internal discussions” about a second shot at stalking, I mean signing, Bay. Apparently they are thinking about thinking about (yes, I wrote that twice) maybe talking to Bay again? Kind of the last thing you want out there if you are serious about negotiating with Bay again. Most likely it’s a sop to the fans, to keep them quiet until after Christmas.

    But if the Sox really mean to approach Bay again after he turned down a $60 mil offer, and after they acquired Cameron, what would their secret strategy be now? Offer him $70 million and trade Ellsbury?

    In other words, they want to get older, less athletic and more expensive? Theo may be turning into bizarro-Cashman.

  7. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    “So if not Holliday….Next best options?”
    ————————————-
    Gardner for me. #9 hole/double-leadoff

  8. blake December 24th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Rick, very interesting article.

  9. blake December 24th, 2009 at 9:23 am

    If the Yankees don’t go with Holliday, then I would either wait Damon out and hope his price will fall to a one year deal, or I’d just go with Gardner to start the season. The other options are either very mediocre or significant injury risks.

  10. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    If we are not going to go with Holliday, and are going ‘cheap’ in LF, then go all the way and let Gardner play there.

    For all he doesn’t do with the bat, he will be as good or better defensively and on the bases than anybody they could possibly get. His lack of offensive production is not that big of a deal batting 9th.

  11. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Murphydog:

    I think you may have it backwards. I’d bet the house it was Bay, who quite obviously wants no part of playing for the Mets and has no other offers elsewhere, who has approached Boston. Boston offered Bay 4/$60M at the allstar break last year and never backed off of it. I think Bay’s agent said to himself “Wow! If I’m getting this offer now, imagine what I’ll get on the open market”. That misread has put Bay in the position of A) taking a job he does not want for a half million more a year, or B) Going back to Boston and settling with them at Boston’s price and at would quite likely be a backloaded deal.

    As far as Boston goes, they are clearly guilty of jumping the gun on Cameron, but the opportunity to land a consistent 30/100, .900+ OPS guy whose defensive deficiencies are only on parade half the time due to the home ballpark at their price, is a win for them. They’d have to try to move Cameron, which would require his approval, but if it’s for an opportunity to start somewhere, I’d guess he’d bite.

    All that said, having internal discussions about it is just that. It could go nowhere.

  12. Corey December 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    The problem is….Gardner has yet to show he can get on base regularly enough to be that good base runner we expect…..yes defense in LF would be excellent….but the 9 hole would be a very weak bat, and it also kills NY’s current pinch runner late in game situations

  13. Corey December 24th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    I truly believe if they were gonna go in-house and keep LF cheap….they would have just kept melky since he has a better arm than Gardner, a better bat than Gardner and keeps Gardner is the Pinch Runner / 4th OF

  14. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    would any of you be open to the idea of signing Vlad for one year? Do you think K Long could help reduce Vlad’s enormous k zone..LOL

  15. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Before Gardner hurt his thumb, he was batting .282 with a .352 OBP. I’d say that is not bad for the #9 hitter, and probably better than we would see out of DeRosa. Sure, Gardner has no pop, but that isn’t his role.

    That said, I still want Holliday in left next year. It just makes too much sense not to do it. I see this as an opportunity to get a great value on a very good player.

  16. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    The Yankees won’t sign a player that can’t at least play LF which means no Vlad or Dye. Both of those players have regressed too much to cover the vast LF at Yankee Stadium.

  17. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    “would any of you be open to the idea of signing Vlad for one year?”

    No.

    Unless Johnson gets hurt opening his Christmas presents. :)

  18. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Mark, I totally agree with you but the only way Holliday is a yankee if asks the yankees how much are they willing to spend.

  19. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Mark in Tampa
    December 24th, 2009 at 9:41 am
    “would any of you be open to the idea of signing Vlad for one year?”

    No.

    Unless Johnson gets hurt opening his Christmas presents.
    ==============================
    LMAOL!

  20. Bill Porter December 24th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    vinny-b wrote “(NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    merry Christmas, Chad

    when you typed Chris Smith, i was thinking of the kid (OF) drafted out of Compton? Do you know how he is doing?”

    Vinny: Pardon my intrusion but unfortunately he was recently released. It’s a shame but he apparently didn’t have anything close to what they thought he had. Loosing a 5th rounder that way stinks. He is however apparently one of the reasons Ca$h and Oppenheimer were finally able to get a national cross checking protocol included in the budget so its not all bad.

  21. murphydog December 24th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Frank:

    Sorry, but I couldn’t resist the image of Theo as bizarro-Cashman.

    You may well be right. Unless Bay’s just trying to get Minaya to go higher or it’s a feint by Theo to keep Cashman at a safe distance – hinting at a bidding war if Bay doesn’t go to the Metsies.

    What a headache they have caused themselves with Cameron if indeed Bay’s price has floated down.

  22. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    “would any of you be open to the idea of signing Vlad for one year? Do you think K Long could help reduce Vlad’s enormous k zone..LOL”

    No way he could play left field, IMO. Right now, he possesses Posada/Nick Johnson speed. He was awful in the OF in 2008 and played only two games in the OF last season….on a team that sent Bob Abreu to the OF every day.

  23. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Vlad and Dye are not good options for defense. Both have declined significantly.

    The Yankees should either sign Holliday to a backloaded deal or get Damon on the cheap.

  24. Mike RI December 24th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Laura . . I’m not too concerned with Dyes defense. Gardner will replace him in late innings.

    I like Dye. I don’t think he’s “done” as a hitter and he can still play some defense .

  25. Joe from Long Island December 24th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    murphydog – you succinctly sum up the Red Sox dilemma. As Frank points out, if they do bring back Bay (that seems to be his best fit, also), one of either Cameron or Ellsbury would need to go; the roster problems for the Sox would be pretty tough, I’d think. Given Cameron’s money, I’d think he’d be it. Might Theo call his old friend Cash? The airwaves would explode!

    Chad – thanks again for the info on minor league ballplayers. It must be tough to get released right before Christmas; at least career minor leaguers like Chris Stewart and Cody Ransom have new jobs. This is why Scott Boras has no qualms in getting top dollar for the guys who do make it to the majors. The players deserve whatever they can get, while they can get it.

  26. Paco Dooley December 24th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    “Mark, I totally agree with you but the only way Holliday is a yankee if asks the yankees how much are they willing to spend.”

    I agree – but I am hopeful since I also agree with Jeff Passan (see his Yahoo MLB story on Holliday and Bay) that the Yanks could be in a good position to get a discount on Holliday and make his contract pretty attractive this year. They may want to wait until next year’s class, but they shouldn’t turn down a bird in hand for ones that may or may not be in the bush.

    Cashman can save face by having Hal close the deal and ssay something like “it was an opportunity I didn’t think our team could pass up”

  27. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Laura, what would be a reasonable contract if you were cashman?

    i.e 5/75 5/70??

    How could we structure the deal that would enable us to land holliday.

  28. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    I think Holliday’s problem now is that he was offered 4/82M by the Rockies last year and turned it down to become a FA, probably on Boras’ advice. That is a 20.5 AAV. Boras probably assured him that he would get at least that, but for 7 or 8 years.

    However, he has not, and will not, get anywhere near that. If 16M is the high-water AAV, in his mind he would be playing the 5th year for free, because the offers now are for total value being the same over 1 more contract year.

    What he needs to do is realize one thing-he doesn’t have, and never signed that 4/82 deal. So, he never actually had it, and you can’t lose what you never had. He has to deal with the realities of the market right now, not one year ago.

    If he and Boras piddle around much longer, Boras may get his wish of a 4 year/52M deal, only it will be for Holliday, not Damon.

  29. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    “Laura . . I’m not too concerned with Dyes defense. Gardner will replace him in late innings.

    I like Dye. I don’t think he’s “done” as a hitter and he can still play some defense .”

    No, he can’t. I watched him a lot and he was simply awful out there last season. Furthermore, I think his bat has slowed down significantly.

  30. RhapsodyInBlue December 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    I think it’s going to be either Damon or Holliday in LF opening day.

  31. Meryl December 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    I’m pretty sure this has been discussed already, but I seriously havent heard anything. Does this mean that Frankie Cervelli is the backup for Jorge?

  32. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    “Does this mean that Frankie Cervelli is the backup for Jorge?”

    Right now he is the backup.

  33. Meryl December 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Okay, thanks. I have been following this like crazy, and never heard anything about that. I was assuming that was the case, but then again, you really can never assume anything. lol

  34. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    “If he and Boras piddle around much longer, Boras may get his wish of a 4 year/52M deal, only it will be for Holliday, not Damon.”

    I say 4/68 gets it done. Thats 17 million per year! He would be a fool to turn that down.

    He gets a chane to play for a winning organization for the next 4 years. He will be 33 by the end of that contract.

  35. upstate kate December 24th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    I also think it will either be Damon or Holliday, I don’t think Cash would have let Melky go w/o a plan for a LF.
    No Vlad, he can still hit, but he hobbles around like an old man.

  36. murphydog December 24th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Joe from Long Island:

    “It must be tough to get released right before Christmas; at least career minor leaguers like Chris Stewart and Cody Ransom have new jobs. This is why Scott Boras has no qualms in getting top dollar for the guys who do make it to the majors. The players deserve whatever they can get, while they can get it.”

    Absolutely right. Scrape away all the bunting, uniforms, hot dogs and beer and at the end of the day it’s a business.

  37. Mike RI December 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Crawdaddy -

    Jermaine Dye . had a .980 fielding percentage – which isn’t too bad. and just the year before he was .996

    His average fielding percentage is .981

    Its worth the risk. And i disagree. he can still hit .

    Damon and Holliday are not playing for the Yanks next season

    Neither is Byrd, Vlad , Nady , or Derosa.

  38. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Cashman indicated he would welcome Molina back but for one year only. Otherwise Cervelli gets his chance.

    What do the Yanks do if Damon calls and says he’ll take a one year Abreu ’09 type deal? While I’m no fan of his defense, he and Dye are certainly acceptable out there as opposed to Vladdy who couldn’t play anywhere.

    With Johnson signed a RH bat is more needed than a LH bat.

  39. Suli December 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    I think Damon will be the opening day LF. Boras has played this out too long and his asking price will be coming down soon.

  40. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    “Jermaine Dye . had a .980 fielding percentage – which isn’t too bad. and just the year before he was .996

    His average fielding percentage is .981″

    You can’t make an error if you can’t get to the ball.

  41. Mike RI December 24th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Mark in Tampa

    Dye also had 9 outfield assists .

  42. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Bill (Porter):

    hope you’re still there. Thank you very much for the info. Merry Christmas

  43. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    “What do the Yanks do if Damon calls and says he’ll take a one year Abreu ‘09 type deal?”

    One thing to keep in mind is that Abreu signed that deal on February 12. I’d be surprised if the Yankees would want to wait that long to settle things and I’d be more surprised if Damon didn’t exhaust every possible option before signing such a deal.

  44. blake December 24th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    My choices for LF would be in order.

    1. Holliday
    2. Damon
    3. Garndener

    There are a couple of things still working in the Yankees favor when it comes to Holliday. If he isn’t going to make the money he wants in the field then NY gives him the best chance to make that money up through endorsements. Also if you’re going to take a lesser contract then you might as well go to the team that will have the best chance to win. The Yankees should be in no rush, the price will come down and they have Gardner to fall back in..if they wait this out they could get a real bargain in a good player and we could be looking at another dynasty.

  45. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “Dye also had 9 outfield assists”

    So, you think he is a very good defender? Which disaster in waiting do we put in the spacious YS LF? Swisher or Dye?

  46. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “Jermaine Dye . had a .980 fielding percentage – which isn’t too bad. and just the year before he was .996

    His average fielding percentage is .981

    Its worth the risk. And i disagree. he can still hit .

    Damon and Holliday are not playing for the Yanks next season

    Neither is Byrd, Vlad , Nady , or Derosa.”

    I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. However, you should know better than to judge an outfielder’s ability to field by his field percentage. I saw too many balls drop before he could catch them last season and that was as a RF. No way he could handle LF at Yankee Stadium.

  47. m December 24th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Not a big name, huh?

    So Bay or Dye have 3 letters and Holliday has 8?

    Very torn here.

    Can find objections to most of the options:

    1. Holliday-too long and too expensive and some questions about his splits away from Coors.

    2. Dye-old and slow

    3. Damon-old and brittle and not up to standard on defense

    4. Bay-older and too expensive

    5. Gardner-lite stick

    6. Byrd-coming off a career year that outpaced his career averages by quite a bit

    The best is Bay for 2 years. Not going to happen.

    Dye for one year would be okay, Gardner in by the 7th.

    Just don’t want to go the years with Holliday.

    Damon, can he deal with 1 year/$5M? That seems to be the budget. Of course he’s worth more than that, but can he take less years at a significant cut?

    Go with Gardner so he can get more ML experience. He’s already shown he can be a game changer. If his bat truly suffers, then we can always get a LF. It’s not like we’ll regret letting these other guys go (except Holliday).

  48. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    “Dye also had 9 outfield assists .”

    I’m not questioning his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to cover enough ground to catch the ball before it drops in front or in back of him.

  49. Mike RI December 24th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Mark and Crawdaddy.

    I’d move Swish to Left, and Dye in Right.

    If we won a championship with Damon out in Left . We can win one with Swish out in left.

    I just don’t see any realistic options. Like I said , I just don’t see Damon, Holliday, Vlad , Derosa ( just got offered 2 years by the Giants ),

  50. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    I hope the Sox don’t get Holliday……but I doubt anything will happen now for a couple of weeks, so no point in worrying, lol.

    If the Yanks don’t like Holliday enough to give him a bigger contract than 5/85 (and I’m still not convinced they really want him anyway), then they should bow out even if the Sox get serious. It would be the height of foolishness to sign a player they don’t love just to prevent the Sox from getting him.

  51. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “yes defense in LF would be excellent….but the 9 hole would be a very weak bat”
    ———————————————-

    have you checked the lineup? It is a monster. Gardner could hit .200 and the lineup would not miss a beat

  52. lets go yankees December 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Mike RI
    December 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am
    Crawdaddy -

    Jermaine Dye . had a .980 fielding percentage – which isn’t too bad. and just the year before he was .996
    His average fielding percentage is .981

    ——————————

    Can I make a suggestion?

    When talking about or thinking about baseball you need to completely remove the words fielding percentage from your mind and vocabulary.

    It is a completely worthless statistic.

    Jermaine Dye is one of the worst defensive OF in baseball right now, if not the worst. Johnny Damon is like Franklin Gutierrez compared to him

  53. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    YOu can’t compare Gardner to DeRosa. DeRosa can hit, Gardner can’t……..Assuming Gardner is going to hit based on a hot streak would be a mistake and I don’t think the Yankees think of him as a starter.

  54. scoopemup December 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Chad, bummer about Brett Smith,I thought he had a chance.Great arm and great kid.

  55. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “Mark and Crawdaddy.

    I’d move Swish to Left, and Dye in Right.

    If we won a championship with Damon out in Left . We can win one with Swish out in left.

    I just don’t see any realistic options. Like I said , I just don’t see Damon, Holliday, Vlad , Derosa ( just got offered 2 years by the Giants ),”

    There are better options than Dye and we need to be patient like Cashman is right now as I’m very confident that he will address our outfield depth so that we don’t have a glaring hole in LF.

  56. Pat December 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Chad, was the Chris Smith released the same one taken 5th round 08. Seems like they are giving up on him pretty quickly.

  57. Mike RI December 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Lets go Yanks

    Jermaine Dye is one of the worst defensive OF in baseball right now, if not the worst. Johnny Damon is like Franklin Gutierrez compared to him

    I’m not saying he’s the BEST outfielder avaialable . I’m saying he’s decent and good enough. To say he’s the worse is being a little dramatic. I’ve seen him play alot. and granted he’s no Willie Mays. But considering the available and realistic options out there , i think he’s the Yanks best option.

    Besides , Gardner can replace him in late innings

  58. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I don’t think getting an OF is as easy as people think……..If the Yankees go with BG and he flunks (which I absolutely expect), teams are going to hold the Yankees hostage and demand ridiculous packages for even so/so outfielders. It’s in the team’s best interests to resolve LF now……I don’t even want to make any more trades as the farm system has been depleted already.

  59. upstate kate December 24th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    If it was up to me I would try to come to terms w/ Damon for a 1-2 year contract. We know he can play at YS, and you can put Gardner in as a defensive replacement after you put him in to steal a base.

  60. m December 24th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Betsy,

    So, who do you want?

  61. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Two cents:

    Let time do it’s work, and let’s see what shakes out.

    I’m hoping that some “X” factor will still bring MH to us.

    But I think Mr. Cashman has done an incredible job thus far, and even IF he decides to do nothing more I have confidence in his judgement.

    We have the makings of another winner as it stands.

    SO

    Just like the RS song. Time is on our side.

  62. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    “Chad, was the Chris Smith released the same one taken 5th round 08. Seems like they are giving up on him pretty quickly.”

    They have too many young outfielders ready to make the jump from the Dominican League for them to hold onto to him and prevent those players from having the necessary at bats that have shown more professionally. In short, the Yankees recognized they made a mistake with Smith and have closed the book on him and move on.

  63. lets go yankees December 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    I’m not saying he’s the BEST outfielder avaialable . I’m saying he’s decent and good enough. To say he’s the worse is being a little dramatic. I’ve seen him play alot. and granted he’s no Willie Mays. But considering the available and realistic options out there , i think he’s the Yanks best option.

    ————————————–

    The problem is, he is not decent or good enough.

    It is not dramatic by any stretch of the imagination to say that Dye is the worst corner OF in all of baseball.

    His average UZR the past 4 years is -21.0. That would make him the worst OF in baseball.

  64. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Mike RI
    December 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am
    Crawdaddy -

    Jermaine Dye . had a .980 fielding percentage – which isn’t too bad. and just the year before he was .996

    His average fielding percentage is .981

    Its worth the risk. And i disagree. he can still hit .

    Damon and Holliday are not playing for the Yanks next season

    Neither is Byrd, Vlad , Nady , or Derosa.

    ————————————————————

    It’s not what Dye gets to that’s the issue. It’s what he doesn’t get to that’s the issue.

  65. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    “I’m hoping that some “X” factor will still bring MH to us.”

    It’s going to have to be some “$” factor.

  66. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    If the Yanks are willing to spend another $ 5 Million in RF wouldn’t they have just kept Melky out of the Vasquez trade? Atlanta didn’t really want him.

  67. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    “I don’t think getting an OF is as easy as people think……..If the Yankees go with BG and he flunks (which I absolutely expect), teams are going to hold the Yankees hostage and demand ridiculous packages for even so/so outfielders. It’s in the team’s best interests to resolve LF now……I don’t even want to make any more trades as the farm system has been depleted already.”

    Addressing the OF is the easiest position to fill for any GM, especially LF with an already loaded batting lineup. Cashman has too many free agents available to worry about making a trade. It’s in the best interest of the Yankees for Cashman to remain patient and allow the market to come to him.

  68. Glixpix December 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Doubt if the Brewers would do this very seriously since they signed to an 8yr $45M contract, but can the Yanks put a blockbuster together for Ryan Braun? He’s a stud – big time and young.

  69. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    “If the Yanks are willing to spend another $ 5 Million in RF wouldn’t they have just kept Melky out of the Vasquez trade? Atlanta didn’t really want him.”

    It’s difficult to say until all the moves are completed by both teams. An unwanted piece for Atlanta might be somebody that another team wants from them in return for a player that the Braves want.

  70. upstate kate December 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    GB7
    Do I dare ask how is day 11 going?

    86w183
    maybe Atlanta will let us have Melky back

  71. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “Laura, what would be a reasonable contract if you were cashman?

    i.e 5/75 5/70??

    How could we structure the deal that would enable us to land holliday.”

    If I knew the answer to this, I’d be the GM. LOL!
    Seriously, if they can talk Holliday into taking a “small” salary now (5 or 7mil) and have it balloon in the later years, he might be a good option in LF.

  72. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Braun is a terrific player, but why on earth would Milwaukee trade an All-Star caliber player who is tied up to a very team-friendly deal? Makes no sense.

    It’s fine to criticize fielding percentage as a defensive stat, but it is equally dorky to assign UZR (a completely subjective measure) some sort of biblical significance. It is an interesting number, but not particularly meaningful unless you have total complete trust in the judgment of the guy making the evaluation(s).

    Not an endorsement of Dye as a defensive whiz, which he certainly isn’t. Just pointing the absurdity of relying on UZR as a be all, end all stat.

  73. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    “His average UZR the past 4 years is -21.0. That would make him the worst OF in baseball.”

    I don’t put too much stock in those UZR ratings (don’t they claim that Jeter is a bad SS?); I let my eyes be the judge. I’ve seen enough White Sox games to know that Dye is not a good RF anymore. I’ve talked to my White Sox buddies, who see him every game and they say that he stinks. That’s enough for me to say PASS on him.

  74. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    If Holliday doesn’t sign over the next 11 days or so then something else is in the works which means Boras is going to a select few teams and trying to paint a scenario that can work for both parties. I think we can guess which teams. If that fails then Holliday will sign with St. Louis by the end of the first full week in January.

  75. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....day-1.html

    In yesterday’s round of Jason Bay rumblings, we heard that there could potentially be a renewed mutual interest between Bay and the Boston Red Sox. Today, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe hears that the pairing would not be inconceivable, but that there are a couple of roadblocks: The Red Sox would have to extend their budget, after committing $15.5MM to Mike Cameron, and a potential contract would probably need to be heavily backloaded.
    **********

    Nothing on Sox/HollidaY

  76. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    “Braun is a terrific player, but why on earth would Milwaukee trade an All-Star caliber player who is tied up to a very team-friendly deal? Makes no sense.”

    Unfortunately, it’s a syndrome that some Yankee fans suffer from. They somehow believe that every team is willing to give up their marquee player to us – just because we want them. These are the same people who think that we are going to sign Mauer, when everyone else in the free world knows that we are not.

  77. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Frank-

    I said “X” factor because I agree w many who have already pointed out that the Yanks no longer want to spend money like a drunken sailor.

    They seem to be more in the mode of Warren Buffett searching for value.

    That means they might be price-limited on MH.

    MPO, I think they still might willing to go to 9 figures if
    Boras is willing to be flexible on it’s structure.

    So far, it would seem that SB/MH believe that time is still their friend.

    It allows for more things to come into play.

    Until they are convinced that the Yankees offer, or any offer for that matter is the best they are gonna get I don’t see Boras capitulating.

    JMPO. I have always thought that net-net both sides would both be better off having each other but we’ll see.

    One “X” factor for me might just be the Holiday at the Holliday’s.

    And the conversations that go around the dinner table.

    Would love to be there to hear some of it.

    Apologize for the length of my post.

  78. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    So if BOS gets Bay, what’s their plan? Play Cameron in CF and deal Ellsbury? That would surprise me since they supposedly love the kid. Plus, wouldn’t you rather have a young Ellsbury patrolling CF than 37 yr old Mike Cameron?

  79. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Craw, I agree – Cash doesn’t have to act now on LF (who is a FA, besides Holliday).

    M, I’m not familiar enough with players on other teams to even give an opinion – I figure that whoever Cash signs/acquires will be sufficient as I trust him.

  80. CR9 December 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Buster Olney’s blog

    ____

    Jason Bay’s agent has been calling the Red Sox in an attempt to re-engage in negotiations, writes Nick Cafardo, and the only way to make a deal happen now might be to heavily backload a contract.

    One source indicated Wednesday night that the team has less than $5 million in spending money. Short of blowing up their budget, the only way the Red Sox could work something out with Bay would be to find a way to dump some existing contracts, such as the newly signed Mike Cameron (who would have to lend his permission to such an arrangement).

    Only Bay’s agent, Joe Urbon, knows exactly what offers or promises of offers he has in hand. The New York Mets have wanted to sign Bay, for sure, but they are picking up the vibes that Bay doesn’t want to play for them and they are preparing alternative plans. It’s unclear which other teams are interested in the outfielder.

    It’s possible that Bay’s best offer came during the season, when the Red Sox dangled a four-year, $60 million proposal. That offer was rejected, and it’s looking more and more like that was a missed opportunity.

    It is from these developments we could draw a New Year’s resolution for agents.

    In the current market, there are very few teams spending whopper dollars. The Yankees are capable, for sure — and the Mets and the Red Sox and the Phillies. The Angels? Not this winter. The Dodgers don’t seem to play at that level anymore (Manny Ramirez was a special case, given his standard-busting performance late in 2008). The Cubs and Giants have to shed some Alfonso Soriano and Barry Zito money before they can go back to that stratosphere. The Astros are essentially for sale because of big-money deals that have gone badly; the same could be said for the Rangers. The Cardinals seemed prepared to pay $20 million to a player, but that player’s name is Pujols, and maybe not Matt Holliday.

    The agent’s resolution: If you get a serious nibble from one of those big spenders, and this is where your client wants to play, you cannot — you will not — let that team off the hook. Because if you lose the opportunity, it could be a free fall to the next level, or into a job your client doesn’t want.

    The Mets have not been in contact with Bay’s agent the past couple of days, writes John Harper. Brian Cashman says again: The Yankees are no longer in the market for a big-ticket item, Marc Carig writes.

    The Angels have found that the economic playing field has changed, writes Mike DiGiovanna. Within this piece, there is word that the Angels don’t have much more to spend. Writes DiGiovanna: “And though the Angels will still have a big-market payroll in 2010, they are now operating more like baseball’s conservative small-market clubs.”

    • The music has just about stopped on the closer market. With Fernando Rodney and Matt Capps coming off the board (good Rodney story here and good Capps story here), that means three teams have not solidified their closer plans: the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Florida Marlins and the Detroit Tigers.

    The best reliever left standing: Jose Valverde, who is, at this point, probably destined to take a major hit. He declined the chance to make $8 million to $10 million from the Astros, and given that he is a Type-A free agent and has draft-pick compensation hanging on him like an anchor, it’s hard to envision his getting anything close to that kind of money — to be a closer. The Pirates aren’t going to spend big dollars on a closer (Dejan Kovacevic says they are talking with Octavio Dotel and Kevin Gregg in this piece) and it’s hard to imagine the money-conscious Marlins — who hang onto their draft picks like family heirlooms — diving in. The Tigers are in cutback mode, which is part of the reason they didn’t retain their own late-inning relievers; Valverde may or may not be a fit, but presumably it would be at a lot less than $8 million to $10 million for Detroit.

    Now the question is whether a team like the Mets or the Cardinals would pay Valverde well to be a set-up man if the Bay or Holliday negotiations go badly — but again, his tie to a draft pick could be a crusher.

    The Phillies are waiting patiently to fill the void in their bullpen, writes David Murphy.

    Moves, deals and decisions

    1. Major League Baseball ensured a decade of labor peace in agreeing to a deal with its umpires.

    2. The Tigers will miss Fernando Rodney, writes Tom Gage.

    Some Fernando Rodney numbers, from Mark Simon:

    Highest Save Percentages in 2009 (Min. 20 Saves)
    Pitcher Save Percentage Saves
    Fernando Rodney 97.4 37
    Mariano Rivera 95.7 44
    Mike MacDougal 95.2 20
    Huston Street 94.6 35
    Jonathan Papelbon 92.6 38

    Among pitchers with 20 or more saves in 2009, Rodney had the fourth-highest ERA (4.40), the fifth-highest opponent on-base percentage (.731) and the fourth-highest BB/9 ratio (4.9).

    3. The Braves signed Troy Glaus and will slot him in at first base. It would probably be a good idea to get a Mark DeRosa type guy who can play first and third (and elsewhere), given the history of Atlanta’s projected current infielders. Chipper Jones missed 28, 34 and 19 games in the past three seasons, respectively; Glaus missed 47, 11 and 148 in those three years.

    The Braves have had a first-base shuffle, writes Thomas Stinson.

    4. San Diego Padres GM Jed Hoyer plans to be better after the new year, writes Dan Hayes.

    5. Seattle Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik is glad to add late-inning relief for the Mariners, writes Geoff Baker.

    6. The Royals signed a couple of players to minor league deals.

    7. The Jays hope that Brandon Morrow will be among their starting pitchers, writes Robert MacLeod.

    8. Chuck Greenberg, the leader of the ownership group chosen last week by Tom Hicks, once helped to save the Pittsburgh Penguins, writes Evan Grant.

    9. Darren Oliver’s search for a ring brought him back to Texas, writes Anthony Andro.

    10. Nick Johnson is excited to be back with the Yankees.

    11. The Athletics finished the Coco Crisp deal and are moving along in negotiations with Justin Duchscherer, writes Susan Slusser.

    • A cool story: Lack of rest sunk the ’69 Cubs.

    • Happy holidays to everyone; no blog Friday.

    ____

    The best part is he suggests them getting rid of Cameron. LOL

  81. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Sounds to me that Bay’s agent went back to the Sox with hat in hand. However, that doesn’t mean the Sox will be accomodating to them and will most likely offer him less than their original offer.

  82. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    upstate kate
    December 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am
    GB7
    Do I dare ask how is day 11 going?

    86w183
    maybe Atlanta will let us have Melky back

    ————————————————————

    Do so at your own risk, Kate. I’ll internet chew your head off.

    No, seriously…it’s still not any easier, but, my fingernails are growing back, but, chewing on all of these plastic straws hurt my teeth. I’m in the process of weighing the tradeoff. Thanks for keeping track of my progress. Now excuse me while I go out on a killing spree at all of the local tobacco shoppes.

  83. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    “I said “X” factor because I agree w many who have already pointed out that the Yanks no longer want to spend money like a drunken sailor.”

    I get you MTU, but I mentioned “$” factor because it will have to be at least as good as, and quite probably better than, what the Cardinals offered.

  84. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    “The New York Mets have wanted to sign Bay, for sure, but they are picking up the vibes that Bay doesn’t want to play for them and they are preparing alternative plans.”

    Really, Buster? At this point, Stevie Wonder can see that Bay doesn’t want to be a Met. :)

  85. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 24th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Sounds to me that Bay’s agent went back to the Sox with hat in hand.
    *****************************************
    Bay apparently had no other offers except the Mets and obviously does not want to play for them or he would have signed by now.
    Wonder if Damon will be do the same with the Yankees.

  86. lets go yankees December 24th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Who said UZR is the be all end all statistic?

    I did not, because if I believed that, then I would have used it in my original argument about Dye being awful in the OF. I used it as a supporting statistic when Mike Ri said that Dye is not that bad.

    Dye has had 4 straight years of being the worst OF in all of baseball according to UZR. With that information as supporting evidence for how slow and terrible he looks in the OF I think it is very valid to say that Dye is one of the worst OF in all of baseball, if not the worst.

    And Laura,

    UZR said Jeter sucked at SS for a few years and he did so I do not get that argument. Last year when Jeter was actually good defensively again UZR accurately reflected that.

  87. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    If anybody was going to look at Dye, I would have thought it would be Boston. Dye wouldn’t have much field to cover in left, and is a better bat than Cameron. If they wanted an aging OF with a slowing bat, Dye would be better than Cameron IMO.

    The Cameron signing is still a head-scratcher. His defense will be wasted in left, his bat is not all that great. To me, it only makes sense if they are planning to trade Ellsbury, put Cameron in CF, and sign Bay/Holliday.

    But they did this weeks ago and there is no talk of an Ellsbury deal, and only what seems to be smokescreen talk about Bay and Holliday.

  88. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    “UZR said Jeter sucked at SS for a few years and he did so I do not get that argument. ”

    Well, that’s where we disagree. I’ve never felt that Jeter stunk at SS; I don’t care what the stats say. Maybe that’s 35 years of Yankee fandom talking; I don’t know, but that’s how I feel.

  89. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Bay wouldn’t make it to the first fly ball in LF in CitiField. He’s not signing there. I think he’ll return to boston, who’ll then try to trade Ellisbury and Papelbon to Detroit for Cabrera, and sign Mike McDougal as their closer. Ok, maybe not.

    Holliday will most likely return to the Cardinals, hat in hand.

    Melky better not unpack, as his stay in ATL will be short-lived.

  90. m December 24th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Betsy,

    So, you’re thinking trade? That’s another way to go. I think, though, that anyone that’s going to meet the offensive/defensive standards that the FA options don’t meet is going to cost good prospects. We’ve already seen who Cash wants to keep. I don’t know that he’ll trade for an OF, when he can simply sign one short term.

    I’m not familiar with other teams either, but a list of some players that would be worth trading would start with: Sizemore, DeJesus, Victorino, Werth, Kemp, Choo. Even if those teams wanted to trade their best OF to us, I can’t even fathom what it would cost. And even if Cash agreed to pay in prospects, teams would be able to top our package.

  91. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Frank-

    jmpo, Yanks been there, done that. already.

  92. lets go yankees December 24th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Laura,

    Cmon… I understand you are a fan and you love Jeter but I do not think anyone’s eyes could tell you Jeter did not suck for a few years before 09. A little objectivity would be nice.

  93. Jerkface December 24th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    If the Yanks are willing to spend another $ 5 Million in RF wouldn’t they have just kept Melky out of the Vasquez trade? Atlanta didn’t really want him.

    Maybe because the 5 million the yankees might spend for a left fielder would net them someone better than Melky Cabrera?

  94. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Maybe Bay is waiting on Holliday. If HOlliday doesn’t sign with St. Louis, Bay could go there……

  95. Lost in Holliday-in December 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Burwell and Company from 11-2 today. Tom Holliday (Matt’s father) joins the show at 11:22

    just thought you might be interested.

  96. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    M, no I’m not thinking trade – I don’t want any more trades. We’ve already depleted our farm system……I don’t know what LFers are out there as FA, but I trust Cash, so whoever he signs is ok with me.

  97. Jerkface December 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Consider how often you heard ‘pastadivingjeter’ and how often Jeter would go in the hole and have to jump throw to barely get or not even get a runner on a ball that many short stops would be able to plant and throw on.

    Jeter’s range was bad, even the yankee organization knew it. He was very good at charging and his arm is strong, that was it. His lateral range was horrid.

  98. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    “…and only what seems to be smokescreen talk about Bay and Holliday.”

    I think their interest may be genuine simply because of value. They’ve got Bay by the shorties insomuch as his only job offer is one he doesn’t want and he’s coming back to them. As for Holliday, he has more options than Bay, but in Boston’s mind they may well see an opportunity to get him at their price (5/$82.5M was that price 2 weeks ago).

    The Cameron thing obviously creates some issues, but not ones that would seem insurmountsable for a big market club. Factor in all the dead to dead-ish money they have coming off the books after this year (Ortiz, Lowell, Varitek, Lugo, Wagner) they can probably swing it financially this year.

  99. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Frank-

    Lost commented on that very point yesterday.

    I believe he reported that the Yanks had an offer in to Boras, at least at one point, and Boras’s reaction was that he didn’t think the Yanks were “serious” about getting MH.

    I hope he is swimming upstream this year, and that he doesn’t swim as well as most Salmon do.

    If they fall back maybe the Yanks can still be there with their net to catch Matt.

    signed,

    yours truly

    Unofficial OPPC member

  100. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    m,

    No way that we need to trade for Sizemore, Victorino, Werth, Kemp, or Choo. Only DeJesus could be an option, as he’s only got 2 years left on his contract I believe at very reasonable amounts. KC, if looking to pare payroll even further would take prospects plus Gardner. The question is which prospects and how many. As Betsy said, teams like to try to fleece the Yankees, but Cash is smarter than that.

    Frankly, I like having Gardner due to his range in the outfield and his speed on the bases for pinch-running duties, until he proves that he can be an everyday player, which I do believe he can be.

    I even think it’s possible to get Melky back, but feel that it’s the overall payroll that Cashman is watching, so there’s no need to add $3MM when he’s trying to cut. But ATL would make Cash pay through the nose with prospects again, because of perceived need, so that wouldn’t make sense.

    No, Gardy will be fine, and if not, someone will get desperate around the middle of Jan. when they realize that they need to know where they will be playing, do they need to move the kids out of school, their wives will be getting on their case, etc., etc., etc. Then the Yankees can do after holiday shopping, excuse the pun.

  101. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 24th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Betsy,

    And Holliday may be waiting on Bay. Each probably wants to see what the market is and may not want to be the 1st to sign.

  102. Laura - And Kazmir throws the ball over Kendrick's head!! December 24th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    “Cmon… I understand you are a fan and you love Jeter but I do not think anyone’s eyes could tell you Jeter did not suck for a few years before 09. A little objectivity would be nice.”

    I remember one season – we were only a few months in and he had a lot of errors. The Daily News had him on the back page with a big E as the tagline. I’d have to admit that he stunk that year. But he looked cute doing it. :P

  103. m December 24th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Betsy,

    Okay, I got it now. You’d be fine with anyone on that list as long as it’s not Gardner?

    You can add Nady to the list. He’d be a good platoon with Gardner.

    And DeRosa’s an intriguing option, and I think he’ll have to come down in years. Would be a good super-utility guy with a decent bat.

  104. Glixpix December 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Crawford is a free agent next year(not completely sold on him) as is Jason Werth. Werth would be a great 5 hitter behind Arod in 2011. He’s a very underrated hitter. Yanks have options next year, but if you can get a bonafide excellent player now (either as a FA or thru a trade) why wait. I’m sure Brian is looking at everything. I also think the BoSox will deal Ellsbury in a package to get a stud hitter (Miggy/Adrian Gonz?)and will also sign Bay or Holliday – most likely Bay. That to me is why they signed Cameron.

  105. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    “I believe he reported that the Yanks had an offer in to Boras, at least at one point, and Boras’s reaction was that he didn’t think the Yanks were “serious” about getting MH.”

    Wouldn’t shock me MTU. I do, however, wonder whether when the offer came and whether tacking on $13.5M to the payroll (5.5M for NJ and roughly $8M for Vazquez – netting out Melky’s arb figure) changed their position?

  106. m December 24th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Ugh, it’s set up perfectly…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  107. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....gU8nYzYUCI

    I’m very upset that Justin Terranova isn’t impressed with our moves.

  108. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    M, I just don’t like BG as a player, esp. as a starter; I have nothing personal against him.

  109. stuckey December 24th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    “I’m not familiar enough with players on other teams to even give an opinion – I figure that whoever Cash signs/acquires will be sufficient as I trust him.”

    Betsy, I think you raise a worthwhile point. You (though you’re hardly alone) are consistently critical of the Gardner option, and before that the Cabrera option, yet can suggest no OTHER options.

    It’s criticism in a vacuum.

    Major league baseball talent is finite. The pool of players is only so big. So while you may not personally like Garnder, you’re in essence acknowledging he may in fact be the “best” (relatively speaking) option.

    And to me, constantly criticizing the best option available is somewhat an exercise in futility.

    Saying you trust Cashman to get someone “better” really isn’t much of an answer either. While I agree he knows more about other players than BOTH of us combined, there is no guarantee this unidentified player is a viable option.

    I mean this not as criticism, but as a constructive suggestion. As opposed to feeling negatively about Gardner, perhaps consider for the Yankees 9 hole, he may be the best option.

    Isn’t that a more enjoyable, relaxing way of looking at it?

  110. m December 24th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    DaSaint,

    Sorry if I caused confusion. I don’t want to trade for anyone. I just thought Betsy didn’t like any of the FA options.

    I like Gardner, would like to see him get playing time.

    And I don’t think melky’s coming back. Cash did a good job of trading him before he started costing too much. He’s a 4OF/bench guy. So is Gardner, but he’s cheaper.

  111. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “Werth would be a great 5 hitter behind Arod in 2011. He’s a very underrated hitter.”

    Werth was a late bloomer. He’ll be 32 years old a month into the 2011 season. Last season was the 1st he saw as many as 500 plate appearances. He’d have to show me again in 2010 before I’d consider making a significant commitment to him.

  112. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Nady? It’s rare for a pitcher to need two TJ surgeries, but a position player? He’s too much of a risk…….The Yankees are trying to pare as much payroll as they can; I don’t see them taking a chance on him.

  113. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    With prices on remaining closers dropping to the $3MM/year mark, some of the remaining options could be available for setup duties:

    Kevin Gregg (32) – Type A, not offered arb
    Mike MacDougal (33)
    Fernando Rodney (33) – Type B, offered arb

  114. stuckey December 24th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Betsy, I hope that’s dry sarcasm :-)

  115. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Frank-

    We are fixin’ to find out aren’t we ?

    Thought I might have heard posted here that MH, I think it might have been Lost again, was a man of faith.

    If that is true then I hope he might remember this passage:

    Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time

    My apologies to any one might read this post. As I absolutely am not trying to offend anyone with it.

    If I did I had no intention of doing so.

  116. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    DeJesus is probably what the Yanks think Gardner can become. Soiod, not special. Why not save the $$$ Millions and find out if Gardner can improve to that level? It’s not like the Yakns lineup is hurting.

    Intelligent comments like “Jeter did suck” erode your credibility and tarnish every other point you make.

    I agree Dye is a poor outfielder, probably a notch below Abrue and Damon. That doesn’t change my view that UZR is no more accurate than the opinions of other posters on this site.

  117. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    “SOLID” not soiod whatever that was

  118. Jerkface December 24th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Fernando Rodney is on the Angels now. And he is terrrrrible. So is MacDougal.

  119. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Stuckey, I can’t argue with you. I realize that there are a few things teams ask from their #9 hitters – and being great isn’t one of them. I just think Gardner is very, very weak – weaker than most #9 hitters – and he’s not a very good bunter. He’s fast, but he has no instincts on the basepaths. The one concession I’ll make is that if he could improve and be decent (not great, decent), he’d be a fine #9 hitter. He needs to learn the art of the Baltimore chop, by the way – take advantage of his speed.

  120. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Stuckey, I didn’t mean it like that, lol. I just meant that Nady, for the risk (and he’s not great anyway) is not very cost-efficient.

  121. blake December 24th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    MTU, I don’t know if the Yankees will sign Holliday but I do think they will wait around for awhile to see what happens with him. As Lost said last night if nothing happens by the first of the year MH will start to pressure Boras and during that time something could happen. The yankees have no reason to rush LF, there are many options (that are all about the same) still available and they have Gardner to fall back on. The Yankees should let Boras know that they like both of his clients (Holliday and Damon) but if he doesn’t get real about the price on them that there are fine with going into 2010 with Gardner in CF (sound familar, Bubba Crosby).

  122. CR9 December 24th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I did not hear Tom Holliday.

    I heard some loser talk about getting a Pujols throwback baby or powder blue jersey.

    As if what he had to say had any meaning.

  123. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    By the way, I was sarcastic when I said I was upset with that guy from the Post criticizing our moves…..I just thought it was funny that some nobody from the Post would be the first member of the media to really get on the Yankees.

  124. stuckey December 24th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Betsy, I meant about the Post story.

    And again, I’m not suggesting you like Gardner, I’m suggesting the pool of low-cost, bottom of the order outfielders that play good defense and hit above average might be smaller than you think, if existent at all.

    No offense meant, I just think criticism in a vacuum as empty and pointless. If you have a better suggestion, then I’m down.

    If not, just accept and move on. You’ll feel better.

  125. CR9 December 24th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    okay, it’s 11:22 their time. 12:22 our time

    Thanks Lost

  126. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Blake, agree. I don’t think anything is happening regardless, though, because it’s Christmas Eve and the next week or so will be dead (as usual)

  127. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    I agree besty, i was hoping the yankees would do something before xmas. :(

  128. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Other pitchers I find interesting:

    Jose Arredondo (26) – minor league deal?
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  129. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. December 24th, 2009 at 11:54 am

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  130. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am

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  131. m December 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am

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    Pettitte, Javy, Boone :? , and Gardner ;)

    Okay, folks. Time to get serious about Christmas.

    Merry Christmas to you and yours!

  132. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am

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  133. pat December 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    The rhetoric here for weeks was Melky had enough bat for CF but not for a corner yet that argument seems to have disappeared when Gardner in LF is the discussion?

    Without knowing the medicals, if the financials are the most important consideration at this point, Nady might be a realistic option.

    Heck, even with a twice repaired elbow, could he throw worse than Johnny and have less pop than Gardner?

  134. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2009 at 11:56 am

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    December 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am
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    Kiko Calero (35)
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    ————————————————————

    Arredondo is out at least another year with elbow ligament surgery.

  135. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Didn’t realize Calero was that old.

    Did the Angels release Arredondo?

  136. Jerkface December 24th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    MacDougal did not sign with the Angels, he is just terrible.

  137. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Is the prospect of getting Holliday at a favorable price really ugh-worthy?

    I thought “ugh” was reserved for truly egregious sins, such as getting a vowel wrong in a Japanese word.

  138. blake December 24th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Betsy, obviously nothing will probably happen today or tommorow but next week is fair game I would image. MH is bound to be getting restless and irritated with Boras. Boras is holding out hope that the mets or Yankees will bail him out. Once he sees that’s not happenening then the prices will have to come down.

  139. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Just heard the sad news. There’s never, ever a good time to lose someone, but this must hurt. My condolences to his family.

  140. Erin December 24th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Valerie G.–Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez.
    December 24th, 2009 at 11:54 am
    Guys, did you hear about George Michael?

    *********************
    No, what happened?

  141. Betsy - high on pie December 24th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    I’m off to get the Family Guy DVD spoof of Empire Strikes Back……..in a few days, I’ll have my Yankeeography of the 2009 Yankees DVD. I’m good to go…..

  142. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. December 24th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Erin–he passed away this morning due to cancer. Very, very sad.

  143. Erin December 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Valerie G.–Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez.
    December 24th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
    Erin–he passed away this morning due to cancer. Very, very sad.

    *********************
    Wow, very sad. Especially this time of the year.

  144. MTU December 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Blake-

    Pretty much agree but my crystal ball aint workin right now so I can’t say for sure.

    Sure have used every other weapon at my disposal though.

    Now it’s just about the slow steady pressure of time.

    Glad you have hung in there with me, and it aint over till it’s over IMHO.

    It hasn’t been easy to remain steadfast. I hope I haven’t been drinkin my own personal brand of Kool-Aid.

    We’ll be fine either way though.

    Would love to see the new murder’s row in action.

    Maybe just a dream.

    If we dont speak again before then have a joyous and healthy Xmas(or whatever you celebrate).

  145. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

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  146. Largo December 24th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I think Arredondo also was stabbed a couple weeks ago – described as nothing serious. But between the Tommy John that won’t happen until after the New Year and the stabbing – I’m thinking he isn’t a good investment. But I’m sure his peripherals are great.

  147. Frank December 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Sad news about George Micheal. I remember him joining Channel 4 in DC in 1980 and making the 3-5 minutes that TV news lent to sports truly enjoyable. Condolences to his family and may he rest in peace.

  148. upstate kate December 24th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all

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  149. Erin December 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    upstate kate
    December 24th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
    Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all

    ********************
    same to you, kate :D

  150. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Guys- there is nothing on any news outlets about George Michael. Are you sure???????

  151. Ross December 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Michael Silverman, RS beat writer of the Boston Herald, said this, today…..

    ‘By having an answer for virtually every move the Red Sox made, the Yankees managed, on paper at least, to neutralize any kind of edge the Sox hoped to gain.’

    That is an understatement, of course. Silverman went on to state that the Red Sox had done their Christmas shopping – and were finished, barring, ‘a raid on Tiffany’s’.

    I hate to sound premature, but I think reality might just be setting in, here in Boston.
    ************************************

    To GB7

    Hang in there! (I work at a GBMF – Great Big Medical Facility)

    Cheers! And a splendid holiday to all !

  152. mind riot December 24th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    always a huge fan of The Sports Machine

    RIP

  153. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 24th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Oh wait- you don’t mean George Michael, 80s pop star and guy from Wham! do you?????????

  154. austinmac December 24th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Gardner will never become Dejesus. Dejesus has some power. Gardner has none. He never will. Gardner’s upside is Posednik. His downside is–I don’t want to think about it. In my view he is a pinch runner and defnesive replacement.

    No Dye either. I can cover more ground than him. Holliday is my wish but will go unfulfilled. I don’t see many decent alternatives.

  155. mind riot December 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Erica, it’s not THAT George Michael

  156. Ross December 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
    Guys- there is nothing on any news outlets about George Michael. Are you sure???????

    Dear Erica,

    It’s NOT on the BBC…..enough said!

  157. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Thanks for the kind words, Ross. Much appreciated.

  158. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    The Sports Machine has been turned off?

    :(

  159. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 24th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Hi Mr. Nick!!!

    So how are you enjoying the east coast side of things?

  160. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Sarge, I know you’re hanging in there. You’ve made it through GB selection, training and active duty for all those years, and I’m sure that helps. We’re all pulling for your full recovery.

    Saint

  161. Mike December 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Have the Mets offered Bay the 5th year yet?

    If not, It would not be a surprise if Bay’s agent leaked this Boston stuff to get the Mets to ante up. I doubt he really wants to go there, but if they offer him an extra year and $15 million, is he really going to turn that down?

  162. Erin December 24th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    mind riot
    December 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    it’s not THAT George Michael

    ***********************
    OK, that explains why I didn’t see anything on People’s website. Glad to hear the other George Michael is still kicking ;)

  163. Dazz December 24th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    A wild suggestion -

    What if we take Cameron’s contract off the Sox’ hands? They will probably give him away, so that they will have the room and money to sign Bay.

    Win-win for both teams. We get an above average left fielder, they get to bring back their big power bat.

  164. G. Love December 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I don’t people are upset about Brett Gardner in LF because none of us actually believe that’s what the Yankees are doing in LF.

    There’s still another transaction to be made.

    This Holliday/Bay thing is pretty ridiculous since I think both are waiting for each other to make the first move and they also are waiting for the Yankees and the Red Sox to get into it for them.

    I don’t know if we get Holliday (don’t think we’d ever sign Bay), but as long as he’s still out there it’s possible.

    If, for some reason, Gardner is our starting LF it’ll be interesting to say the least.

    He’s already been a polarizing player in the fanbase. I can only imagine what would go on in here if he got that job.

    That said, if he got on base at a .350 clip and stole 60 bags out of the 9th spot, he’d have some real value.

    I just didn’t love his swings last season. He’d have to make some serious adjustments at the plate to be an everyday player.

    Anyway, I think the stove has cooled off for a few days so Merry Christmas to everyone, even to those of you who rub me the wrong way more often than not.

    And to my Jewish brothers and sisters, enjoy the dumplings and the empty movie theaters tomorrow!

  165. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Erin,

    My first thought was the singer George Michael also.

  166. crawdaddy December 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    One name that hasn’t been talked about alot that Cashman might be considering due to low cost is Reed Johnson. Now, he would be mainly a right-handed platoon in LF with Gardner, but his splits against left-handed pitching is really good and from what I can remember about him, he’s not a bad fielder that can also play CF.

    Anyhow, here are his career splits.

    http://www.baseball-reference......r&t=b

  167. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    That Bay didn’t jump all over a reported four year, $ 64 M offer tells me a lot of these guys are simply delusional. Seems to me just about every FA got less than expected with just a few exceptions.

  168. Bronx Born December 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Have a great holiday everyone! GB take good care of yourself.

  169. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

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  170. DaSaint007 December 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

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  171. MaineYankee December 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    GB7

    I hope your brother has a lock on the outside of the door so as to keep the wild animal caged. :lol:

    I hope your recovery is going well.

    If possible I hope you enjoy the day tommorow.

  172. Erin December 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

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  173. 86w183 December 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Well gang that’s it for me today. Family at the door

    Want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa or whatever it is you celebrate this time of year.

    I wish you peace, joy and happiness… and a damn good left fielder!

    GB we are all pulling for you and hope 2010 is a great year for you.

    God Bless us Every One

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  176. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 24th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

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  177. jack G December 24th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

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  178. John T December 25th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Interesting that there has been only one fleeting mention of Jamie Hoffman. Remember Cashman did trade to get the top pick in the Rule V draft, and used that to get this kid. Presumably there was a good reason for that. Platoon time with Gardiner perhaps. At any rate, I don’t see Cashman making a Rule V selection, much less trade for a higher pick, just to keep the kid on the 25 man major league roster. This one is going under the radar, and may explain the NYY not going hard for a LF, especially with the strength in the rest of the lineup.

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