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Umpires reach agreement with MLB

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 26, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This announcement came on Wednesday, but that was the day the Nick Johnson signing became officially, and the day I was on several airplanes getting to Missouri, so the news never reached the blog. Here’s the press release:

Major League Baseball and the World Umpires Association (WUA) have reached a tentative new five-year collective bargaining agreement that extends through December 31, 2014, it was announced today.

The agreement is subject to the ratification of the 30 Major League Clubs and the membership of the World Umpires Association. Ratification is expected to be complete by the middle of January.

Neither party will issue any comment regarding the substance of the agreement until its ratification.

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  1. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    86w183
    December 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
    It’s extremely unrealistic to think Jeter or Rivera would be getting a pay cut in 2010.

    The Yankees will definitely factor in age since Jeter will be getting a long term deal, possibly 4-5 years at age 36 and Mo is 40.

    How is it unrealistic to think Jeter would NOT feel insulted by a contract that is 1 million less AAV than the one he signed in his prime?

    How is it unrealistic to think Joba can become a dominant closer and a better option than giving a 40 year old reliever anything more than 10 million dollars per season?

    Did you happen to notice Trevor Hoffman’s recent contracts?

    He’s still effective.

    He’s still the all-time saves leader.

    He took a pay cut on teams without Joba.

    He isn’t even sniffing 10 million.

  2. Nick D. December 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Repost:

    The Yankees would not send Holliday home for the holiday’s without a big present to think about.
    He sat down with the fam, discussed his options…
    As soon as Bay signs with the Sox, the Mets will put out an absurd offer for Holliday.
    The Yankees will then swoop in, tack on 1 year to their current offer (which is 5 years 85 million according to ‘Lost’) and attach a 24 hour deadline to the offer like they did with Tex.
    Holliday will then have to choose between the Mets and the Yanks.
    This outcome has been brewing a long time now.
    About midway through the 2009 season, Holliday said he’s ‘open’ to playing in ‘NY’.
    That could mean 2 things:
    Mets.
    Yankees.
    Boras is a good coach.
    —–
    I wasn’t aware that the comment section had taken to writing fan-fiction.

  3. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    6 years, 102 million.

  4. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    repost

    “Don’t kid yourself. Damon is still very much in play as long as 1) he’s available and 2) we haven’t signed someone else first. After trading away Melky, we are not going into 2010 with Gardner as our LF. I love the guy’s heart, his spunk, and his speed…but I would prefer to have someone else in LF”
    ———————————————-

    I don’t believe this to be the case at all. The signing of Nick Johnson bein the difference. To me (and i expect Cashman) NJ is a difference maker in this lineup. When the second weakest hitter in the lineup is Nick Swisher, it is a lineup with no holes. In addtion, the yankees continue to transition to younger players. Factor in Damon’s defense, and Damon is no longer needed. Not unless there is an injury. Cashman has moved on

  5. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$$ December 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Damon and the Yankees are PARTING WAYS

  6. CR9 December 26th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Umpires reach agreement with MLB… to be fair and impartial!

    December 26 fools!

  7. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$$ December 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Trevor Hoffman:

    Age 42

    1.83 ERA

    .91 WHIP

    37 SV

    All Time Saves Leader

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=2817

    Salary?

    15 million?

    Nope

    10 million?

    Nope

    6 million bucks.

  8. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Thank you Brian

  9. Hoffman in NL December 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    He can do that in the NL
    He`d get eaten alove in AL

  10. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Hoffman in NL
    December 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    He can do that in the NL
    He`d get eaten alove in AL

    Right, and he’d make even less than 6 million bucks.

    So, yeah, the all time saves leader coming off a solid season would earn 3 million bucks in the AL, yet MO can’t take a paycut. It’s unrealistic to even suggest the possibility.

  11. Doreen December 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    GB7 -

    From the thread 2 back: My thoughts on the pitching stockpile, etc., were just thoughts at the top of my head that were “inspired” by your comments. I know your way by now, and I realize that you were not speaking with any particular authority on the status of the arms. :)

    randy l -

    Your comment from 2 threads back: What you said is why I think it would be best for whoever does not get the 5th spot to go to AAA, even Joba. I totally agree that there will be those 15 starts that someone will have to take. And one would think the Yankees have learned that it wastes time and talent to have a guy in the pen and then have to stretch him out.

    My gut feeling is they have an idea of who they want as #5, but want both guys to show up ready to go.

    My worries are, if Hughes is the #5 will they be too reluctant to keep Joba stretched out in AAA?

    So, my second gut feeling is it’s Joba’s job to lose.

    What do you think?

  12. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Big deal if Hoffman is the all-time saves leader. Last time I checked, he isn’t the most dominant and important closer of all time. Hoffman isn’t fit to condition Mo’s glove.

  13. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    People like to compare Velander’s down year with Joba’s.

    The difference is one of them is in shape and has stamina.

    The other is out of shape and stubborn.

    Joba’s velocity also magically returned late in the season when he was converted back to reliever.

    I think Joba deeply disappointed the Yankees scouts in 2009.

    He’s almost a sure-thing to become a dominant closer but his performance as a starter raises too many questions long term, both talent-wise and health related.

  14. Don Capone December 26th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    This is the headline I’d rather see:

    MLB Umpires and Lenscafters Reach Agreement On 5-Year Deal.

  15. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Pokey
    December 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    Big deal if Hoffman is the all-time saves leader. Last time I checked, he isn’t the most dominant and important closer of all time. Hoffman isn’t fit to condition Mo’s glove.

    Records are records and stats count during contract negotiations.

  16. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Joba’s velocity wasn’t greatly improved when he moved to the pen. There’s obviously something wrong with his mechanics. The ball just wasn’t sizzling out of his hand effortlessly like before.

  17. vb03 December 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Are you really comparing Mariano Rivera to Trevor “can’t close big games” Hoffman? Really?

  18. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Pokey
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    Joba’s velocity wasn’t greatly improved when he moved to the pen. There’s obviously something wrong with his mechanics. The ball just wasn’t sizzling out of his hand effortlessly like before.

    Not greatly but it still improved…in a short span of time.

  19. Bret the Hitman December 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    vb03
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
    Are you really comparing Mariano Rivera to Trevor “can’t close big games” Hoffman? Really?

    No, I’m suggesting that given Hoffman’s similar aga and performance/stats in 2009 and his 6 million dollar paycheck, I’d rather not pay Rivera anything more than 10 million per season.

  20. Doreen December 26th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Yankees parade down the Canyon of Heroes is on YES right now. (About the middle of it)

  21. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Doreen
    December 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    GB7 -

    From the thread 2 back: My thoughts on the pitching stockpile, etc., were just thoughts at the top of my head that were “inspired” by your comments. I know your way by now, and I realize that you were not speaking with any particular authority on the status of the arms.

    ————————————————————

    If you were from the South, I would have thought that after reading this post, that it was a polite Southern Belle’s way of telling me that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
    They are so polite down here.

    LMAO.

  22. crawdaddy December 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Jeter’s next and probably last contract will be negotiated by Hal Steinbrenner with Cashman being the front man. It will include provisions for Jeter’s post-playing career so I wouldn’t even attempt to guess what his per year salary will be due to those uncertain provisions.

  23. crawdaddy December 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I can see Rivera going year to year without any significant cut in pay. All of this is a guess, but I don’t think Rivera wants to pitch for another team and when it’s time for him to part company as an active pitcher for the Yankees then he’ll call it a career.

  24. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Outfield
    Brett Gardner
    Reed Johnson
    Curtis Granderson
    Nick Swisher
    Jamie Hoffmann
    .
    .
    Absolutely 100% No way in HALE these are the NYY Opening Day outfielders !

  25. Doreen December 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    GB7 -

    Not at all!! :)

    I know you at least are aware of the arms coming through the system, certainly more so than I am.

    It just struck me that so many of these guys are high risk, so it’s not guarantee that they’ll be starters for the Yankees, or even for any one with not quite the same needs (standards).

    But do you think that there’s a chance that they’ll strike enough gold to replenish the starting rotation periodically? I mean, if CC, AJ, Joba and/or Phil are as effective as we hope (or even a little less), and if they get Cliff Lee next season or re-sign Vazquez, then they don’t really need anyone from the minors to “graduate” next season. At the most, they’d maybe like one to do so (if all the circumstances fall just so). But after that, the Yankees should be “set” for 2-3-4 seasons. In that amount of time, surely one of those arms, or 2, will develop nicely. The rest – bullpen or trade fodder? :)

  26. CR9 December 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Peter Gammons Twitter

    “A merry Christmas is those who abuse power, riches, glory and fame focusing on the helpless, cold, hungry, oppressed, sick, aged, unloved…”

    What is wrong with this guy? Has he lost his mind?

    Is this a confirmed Gammons twitter, or is it fake? It certainly seems fake, with the high number of ridiculous posts put up there. They are even too ridiculous for Gammons.

  27. 86w183 December 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Well if I were the Steinbrothers I’d rather not pay Mariano more than $ 10 Million either. But common sense dictates that he and Jeter, more than any other players ion the last 40 years will be treated reverentially in contract talks.

    There are plenty of ways for the Yanks to control payroll. A classless pay cut proposal to two icons of the organization is not on the list of options… or at least shouldn’t be.

  28. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    It went up a little, but that is pretty natural to pick up a few MPHs going from starting to relieving. He was hitting what, 95-97 in the pen this postseason? That’s not quite the 99-100 we’ve seen before.

    I think the rules messed with his head and his shoulder. Combined with coming into camp looking like Steve Balboni, it was virtually impossible for him to be consistently successful this past season.

    Hopefully he’s learned his lesson and comes into ST with a clear head and imporved conditioning.

  29. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas and Happy Kwanza to those celebrating that holiday.

    I don’t know why anyone’s worried about Andy, Jeter, or Mo’s next contract at this point. They’ll get what they deserve, particularly Jeter and Mo. Andy will be more dependent on his 2010 performance than the rest, but he’ll certainly get less than his current contract.

    Albaladejo usually makes it to the roster from ST, but never sticks. Personally, I’d prefer Melancon. As far as the rotation is concerned, Joba as starter, Huges in pen works for me.

    This LF conversation has now extended to Reed Johnson and Johnny Gomes? No thanks. While many have stated that Jamie Hoffmann isn’t a realistic candidate to make the team (self included), only his performance in ST will determine that. I’m ok with Garner, just as I was with Melky. IF that’s not enough for Cashman, then as now, I’ve suggested DeJesus and Nady.

  30. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Does anyone really see Jeter holding them hostage when contract talks come along? I think he’s so self-aware about his image, position with the franchise, etc, that the money isn’t going to be as important as the years.

  31. Erin December 26th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    CR9
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    Peter Gammons Twitter

    “A merry Christmas is those who abuse power, riches, glory and fame focusing on the helpless, cold, hungry, oppressed, sick, aged, unloved…”

    **************************
    That has to be a fake. Right??

  32. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    “Does anyone really see Jeter holding them hostage when contract talks come along? I think he’s so self-aware about his image, position with the franchise, etc, that the money isn’t going to be as important as the years”
    ——————————————————–
    it shouldn’t be, as he’s already been paid well above market value the past 10 years

  33. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    A merry Christmas is those who abuse power, riches, glory and fame focusing on the helpless, cold, hungry, oppressed, sick, aged, unloved
    —————————————————–

    don’t even know what that is suppose to mean

  34. m December 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    1. If the Yankees don’t sign Damon, where does he end up?

    2. If Mo wants $15M per, then I think they need to go Y2Y. If he can get a multi-year contract from another team at close to that AAV, he’ll face a tough decision about where he wants to end his career. He gets the pay he gets because he’s a Yankee. He’s valuable, but I don’t know if other teams would’ve given him that last contract he inked with the Yankees.

  35. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Doreen
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    GB7 -

    Not at all!!

    I know you at least are aware of the arms coming through the system, certainly more so than I am.

    It just struck me that so many of these guys are high risk, so it’s not guarantee that they’ll be starters for the Yankees, or even for any one with not quite the same needs (standards).

    ————————————————————

    The fact that NYY has so many talented but high risk pitchers is because of their low draft positions. That’s how they got Chamberlain, Betances and the others. NYY could afford to take risks on either injured or hard to sign kids. Like drafting Coles last year…except he was too tough to sign.

  36. CR9 December 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    “So Homeless Jose is jealous of ARod. Poor poor pitiful phooph
    5:54 AM Nov 8th from mobile web”

    Peter Gammons twitter

    twitter.com/pgammo

    Who is he referring to?

  37. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    1. If the Yankees don’t sign Damon, where does he end up?
    ———————————————–

    that’s his dog. My guess is somewhere at 1 year/5million. Bobby Abreu says holla

  38. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Here is a perfect example of why you don’t jerk kids around from starting to the pen:

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/.....06603.html

    Let’s not be like the Mariners kids.

  39. m December 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    That tweet is a paradox. Wishing merry Christmas only to the greedy people who focus on the poor and oppressed?

  40. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    m -

    Mo has publicly stated that the moment he can’t get hitters out on a consistent basis, the moment he ‘doesn’t have it anyomore’ he’s going to retire.

    That said, I’m sure if this season is in line with past performance, he’ll get at least a 2 year contract.

  41. crawdaddy December 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    “it shouldn’t be, as he’s already been paid well above market value the past 10 years”

    That will have no bearing on the contract negotiations because when both parties agreed to it, the contract was signed at current market value.

  42. Phil the Thrill December 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Joba’s velocity was not what it had been before the shoulder injury when he returned to the pen late in the season. That’s one of the silliest things I’ve ever seen presented as some sort of fact around here. Pre-injury Joba was hitting 98 during starts and topppint out at 100+. He hit 98 a couple times in start this past year, but did not ever have his old velo back for more than a pitch or two and certainly didn’t have it back when they put him in the bullpen.

  43. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Doreen, NYY will mine their gold, though a couple make take a year longer than some. They’re not in a position to rush them up to NYY and take their time. These are all quality kids. They can suppliment their drafts with international signings like Banuelos, Montero, Aceves, Nova, Pena and Noesi. That’s one reason NYY would be hurt the worst by a world wide draft.

  44. Phil the Thrill December 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    The Yanks feel like they pick first everyday in IFA, as opposed to the draft where they always pick late.

  45. 86w183 December 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Damon will be hard pressed to get anything even close to the reported Yanks offer of $ 14 M for two years.

    He should try to convince the Yanks he’s be a motivated, positive player for LF for $ 6 M or thereabouts. He should then grab Elin Woods’ four iron and beat Scott Boras with it.

  46. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Vinny,

    I tend to agree. He’s slated to end up with an Abreu-like contract. Could have gotten that from the Yanks if he had listened though.

    Wouldn’t it be ironic though to see him end up at CitiField.

  47. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    GB, I think if JV pitches well, the Yanks may just re-sign him. However, I think this is it for Andy…..unless Joba stinks this year. The potential rotation for next year: CC, AJ, Javy (or Lee – but if JV pitches well, why spend $20million on Lee?), Joba, Phil. IMO, Phil is definitely in the rotation next year. If Joba does not do well this year, then I’m afraid he goes to the pen and maybe Andy is re-signed.

    I was not overly impressed with Joba in the pen during the playoffs, but then that’s not a suprise. The pen is not a cure-all for Joba’s ills.

  48. m December 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    If the Rays didn’t sign Burrell to 2 years, I think they would’ve signed Damon for 1-2 years. Unless they try to trade Burrell. They’re not simpatico right now.

  49. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Betsy,
    The cure-all for Joba is to spend less time this offseason in the tattoo parlor and more time on the treadmill.

  50. 86w183 December 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Damon’s achy-breaky legs on turf? Helloooooo DL.

  51. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    GB, that’s true, but so far the Yankees have picked duds – they’re all hurt.

  52. DaSaint007 December 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    And David Wells and CC spent how much time on treadmills?

    Joba’s issues are mental/mechanical, not physical/conditioning.

  53. m December 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    It’s Damon’s own fault for thinking that teams were going to fight for his services. Over the last 2 seasons, the trend was going younger and more athletic. We’ve seen better hitters than him fade away because the market’s just not there.

    Betsy, I’m not impressed with Joba in the postseason either. Phil was worse, but Joba wasn’t lights out either, as much as people love to point out otherwise.

    If it comes down to something as simple as being out of condition, I’ll be super disappointed. It seems to be difficulty in repeating his mechanics. So what went wrong?

  54. CB December 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    “The Yanks feel like they pick first everyday in IFA, as opposed to the draft where they always pick late.”

    The Rule 4 Draft gets the attention, but so much of the quality and depth in the system comes from the international signings.

    That’s where a huge proportion of the young talent comes from and likely will continue to come from.

  55. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    da saint: unattractive locale to be. This mets team reminds me of the team which Roy Hobbs joins in twilight of his career

  56. m December 26th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    I was thinking of leadoff/DH with some LF. I know this is terrible, but who’s their leadoff guy? Is it Upton? What other AL team would sign him?

  57. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Pokey, true. Joba should take a cue from Phil, who works hard and is basically mature (though he had some issues at the end of the year/playoffs). There is no excuse for any player to come into camp out of shape (that means you, Damon and Abreu from a few years ago). Joba thinks he knows everything – more than Posada, more than Eiland – at least that’s the impression I got from SJ.

    Phil, the IFA the Yankees sign are basically all very young, correct? So even if the Yankees are high on them, they wouldn’t even be eligible to be included in farm system rankings? I’ve read that they are really high on this Chris Cabrera (among others). Where would he start, for instance? Not A-ball?

  58. crawdaddy December 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Tampa has about five arbitrations cases while being about 10M less than last year’s payroll with only 14 players currently under contract. They don’t have any room to add Damon. Nobody is going to take Burrell off their hands especially with him being restricted by his fielding.

  59. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    m,
    He lost his mechanics because he was getting really tired very quickly. By the second inning he was huffing and puffing like I do if I get a double in a softball game.

  60. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    That’s why I don’t want an IFA draft. The big market teams (NY, Philly, Boston) are already at a major disadvantage in the regular draft…..If they have the wherewithal to find these diamonds in the rough in other countries, good for them.

  61. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Some of the really young signees they’ll stash in international leagues, unless they’re like a Montero, who’s clearly ready for organizational ball.

  62. m December 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    lol, don’t get me wrong. I’m not really concerned about Damon. I’m more concerned that he WON’T find a place to play, and we’ll end up with him.

    Pokey,

    I don’t know, he had 1st inning issues, too, unrelated to conditioning. I’d love to chalk it up to inconsistencies of a young pitcher. But I don’t think he’s ever going to get back to pre-shoulder Joba.

  63. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    “If the Rays didn’t sign Burrell to 2 years, I think they would’ve signed Damon for 1-2 years. Unless they try to trade Burrell. They’re not simpatico right now”
    ——————————————————-

    m: no one wants Burrell. It was a dumb move, day he was signed. Abreu should have been targeted. Long story short, Tampa is not a team which will eat contract. Fortunately leaving no place for Damon. I don’t wish any ill of Damon. However, don’t care to see him with a AL rival

  64. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    GB, that’s true, but so far the Yankees have picked duds – they’re all hurt.

    ————————————————————

    Betsy, NYY knew of most of the ones with possible injury issues, and that’s why they were able to draft them. It came as no surprise. That doesn’t make them busts. Not sure of the percentage of players turn out be be something, but, I’d say one out of ten in every draft.

  65. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    I don’t forsee any issues with Jeter and the Yankees….Mo? Who knows? He got prickly the last time.

    M, I’m not sure why Phil was so bad. I honestly do not believe he’s a choker at heart. At 21, he did great in game 3 of the ALCS against the Indians. Even against the Twins, he struck out Orlando Cabrera…..a HUGE K as Mauer would have been up next (I believe). Was he tired? Maybe…..I was most disappointed that he skipped a media session. There’s no excuse for that and it was so unlike Phil, who is really mature and responsible (ordinarily).

  66. BigJoe44 December 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Happy Holidays to all from the Great White North.

    Lots of interesting reading over the last week regarding our outfield, starting pitching, relief pitching, bench, and even our batting order.

    I’m really amazed at some of the over-the-top statements made about how Cashman has ruined the team by some of his moves this year. The consensus early this off season was that Cashman was a genius for re-signing Pettite and trading for Granderson. Now the sky is falling in because we lost Matsui and probably Damon, our budget won’t allow us to pick up Holliday, and we traded Melky and some minor league pieces for Javy.

    Let’s re-focus for a minute.

    Granderson is a big up-grade over Damon defensively, and should match/exceed his offense (that’s while batting against RHP and LHP).

    Matsui is gone. I don’t know if he was promised some time in the OF with his new team, or was not going to be part of Cashman’s plans because of his knees, but he is gone. Nick Johnson is going to be an above average DH, as long as he stays healthy, and is not costing us a lot of money.

    Javy is a great pickup for the starting rotation. Our depth 1-4 is fantastic. Now Cashman and Girardi have to decide how best to use Joba and Hughes. We all have our ideas and preferences, but it really is a good situation for the team to be in.

    Losing Melky and now having to go (for the time being) with Gardner in LF is really a toss up to me. What you do lose in power you gain in speed and defense. I know there have been lots of heated opinions about which one is better, but with our line-up, both are #9 hitters who are there for their defense.

    Our bullpen looks fine to me as it stands now. Some good young players who have had a chance to play last year. That experience should make everyone a little better, except for maybe Alba.

    Our bench is young, but we have been waiting for some of these guys for a while. Will these guys cut it if ARod or Tex go down for a few months? Maybe not, but they do provide good day-to-day back-up for the usual days off people will need. And they also cost next to nothing.

    Sorry for the long post, but I’ve been away for a while (always reading though) and I had to get this off my chest.

    Bottom line is, Cashman is in control, and our team looks better than it would have with no moves at all. No one else compares to us with our pitching and offense, and we will all have a chance to judge Cashman next November.

  67. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    GB, I was probably too rough. Thy are still young and possibly can still turn into something. I do like the Yankees philosophy of drafting high-risk players even if it is frustrating. It’s better to do that than draft safe, conservative and low-risk, low-ceiling players. I just wish we had better luck on the injury front.

  68. Pokey December 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    As out of shape as he was, he was probably exhausted by the time warmups were over.

  69. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    GB, I think if JV pitches well, the Yanks may just re-sign him. However, I think this is it for Andy…..unless Joba stinks this year. The potential rotation for next year: CC, AJ, Javy (or Lee – but if JV pitches well, why spend $20million on Lee?), Joba, Phil. IMO, Phil is definitely in the rotation next year. If Joba does not do well this year, then I’m afraid he goes to the pen and maybe Andy is re-signed.

    I was not overly impressed with Joba in the pen during the playoffs, but then that’s not a suprise. The pen is not a cure-all for Joba’s ills.

    ————————————————————

    I’d never count Pettitte out. He’s the only pitcher that I remember seeing in all of the books that in their first 15 years never had a losing season. If he’s as effective in 2010 as in 2009 and he wants to return, he will.

    This year, he will become only the 3rd Yankee pitcher in their history to have 200 Yankee wins.

  70. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    BigJoe, fantastic post…..I agree wholeheartedly. Dr. Andrews said Robertson’s shoulder issues weren’t serious, so hopefully he’s ok. I think it would be great if Melancon could have a great spring and make the team……I’m rooting for him.

    I like Cervelli a lot, Pena’s ok – but I don’t think he’ll hit enough even as a utility infielder. I’m interested in Kevin Russo who some seem to be high on…..The bench could use some fixing, it really could (I would re-sign Hairston and/or Hinske) as it’s extremely weak. However, LF first.

  71. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    GB, it’s not about Andy, it’s about the fact that Phil WILL be in the rotation next year. If Joba is good and the Yanks re-sign JV or go after Lee, there’s no room for Andy. If Phil is not going to be in the rotation in 2011, they really need to trade him right now.

  72. m December 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Joba to the pen would leave the door open for Andy and or Javy.

    I hope Javy has a great year. Cash has always coveted him, and I hope it turns out he was right.

  73. Phil the Thrill December 26th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    CB,

    they’re in the process of signing more high upside IFA’s now.

  74. Stan December 26th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Scott Boras must be dealing with at least a little reality as the market drops with his clients.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Chamberlain’s and to a lesser extent, Hughes, job description will be left up to him. He can be somewhat out of shape (overweight) pitching in the pen, but, would probably struggle in the rotation. Hughes didn’t really have a spot until they stuck him in the pen early in the pen. For a first time ever pitching there, he did exceptinally well. The struggle at the end was probably just from a tired arm/shoulder. Big difference in starting every five days and warming up and pitching 3 or 4 times a week. I think that’s what happened with Coke, also.

  76. BigJoe44 December 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Thanks Betsy,

    How was Chinese and a movie yesterday?

    I think our next move will likely depend on what Boston does. If they pick up Bay, then we make some kind of similar move. If they sit tight (wouldn’t that be great…I think they’re in big trouble offensively this year as they currently stand), then Cashman makes a few tweaks and we get ready for spring training.

    As far as our bench goes, I’m not as concerned about the lack of a big bat. The only person to PH for would be Gardner, and that opportunity would present itself only occasionally. I am more than happy with above average defense on the bench to give guys a day off now and then.

  77. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    GB, that’s true…….That may have happened with Aceves. I’m down on him some……not sure if he’s really built for relieving.

    Joe, my Chinese/Indian/Thai restaurant was absolutely fabulous……..I didn’t see a movie, but I did watch the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes on TCM and it was a lot of fun. I will always prefer Jeremy Brett as Holmes, but I’m now going to start watching the Rathbone movies because I just love Holmes period.

    I don’t think the Yankees need to make any moves to counter the Sox – after all, we are the WS champions. Good point about the bench, but it would still be nice to have a power threat there. Still, it’s not a priority right now.

  78. daled December 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    With only 77 comments to read I didn’t get my normal fix, I mean two threads on Christmas! I’m hooked, so I cruzd back to this day last year.

    The improvement is huge and damn what a difference a world series win makes.

    Just look at the improvement it has made in GB7′s typing and spelling for example.

    Hang tough on the smoking GB we need you around for another decade at least.
    ___________________________________________

    “GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    PAT M
    December 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    Wang will pitch in the 3 slot, behind AJ…Not due to a skill factor, but rather due to depth of starts and the lack of early pen appearences that would be needed ….# 2 & # 5 starters aj & Joba are going to have pen reliance as opposed to CC, Wang & Pettite…

    ————————————————————

    that’s about it. NYY will gelong innings from Sabathi and Wang, the vast majority of time. Burnett will give you long innings, too, but really needs to be monitored more closely (use the bullpen sooner to keep him fresh). This is where a pitcher like Pettitte is valuble. He gives you innings, also, but, more importantly, he’s left handed and is entirely different than the other four, making him ideal in the 4th slot in the rotation. Those that think that Wang isn’t a power pitcre sadly mistaken.”

  79. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Betsy, I am a big Sherlock fan as well, love Rathbone.

  80. burr December 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    for what mariano and jeter have done for this franchise they deserve blank checks for the rest of their careers. no need to be cheap with future yankees legends.

  81. hardwired December 26th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    I would put the odds of Rivera ever pitching for another team at roughly 0% (+/- 0%).

  82. Eric December 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Vasquez will turn 35 during the middle of the 2011 season, which would be the first year of his next contract.

    Be very careful about giving him a long term deal.

  83. bru December 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    86w183
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    Damon will be hard pressed to get anything even close to the reported Yanks offer of $ 14 M for two years.

    He should try to convince the Yanks he’s be a motivated, positive player for LF for $ 6 M or thereabouts. He should then grab Elin Woods’ four iron and beat Scott Boras with it.

    ———————————————————-

    lmfao

  84. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    On Rivera-”The minute I know I don’t have it, I hang it up right there.”

    Read this interesting interview on Rivera. When he can’t do the job he’ll leave.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/ml.....ees-closer

  85. joeman December 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I for one think the longer that Bay & Holliday stay as FA’s the more the chance the Yankees do sign one

  86. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Chad-

    Really enjoy yours and Sam’s input and reporting on this blog. First rate.

    The umpiring was noticeably poor last season, especially in the playoffs. Barry Larkin had a good idea. This would not be for balls/strikes but for plays in the field. Have a reviewer up in the booth to relay the correct call to the chief umpire. For instance, it would be used on Mauer’s double, called foul, with Melky blocking the umpires view, by a person in the booth monitoring instant replay. This would speed up the game, rather than having the umpires huddle to talk about the plays.

  87. Rose December 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Rivera, the best closer ever, will be taken care of by the Yankees as will Jeter. The Yankees will not insult them regarding contract offers.

  88. Foxtrot Sierra December 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    (1.5 million Yankee fans worldwide ) x ($20 donation from each) = $30 million for Matt Holliday + Big Bat for bench + Reliever

    Do you part.

    I already sent in my $20 to Hal.

    Have you?

  89. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    He[Damon] should try to convince the Yanks he’s be a motivated, positive player for LF for $ 6 M or thereabouts. He should then grab Elin Woods’ four iron and beat Scott Boras with it.
    —————————————————

    Bet Jason Varitek would like to do the same, when Boras convinced him not to accept arbitration.

  90. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Rose-

    I agree. Rivera will not have to have his salary reduced, since he came out and said he would hang it up when he doesn’t have it anymore, which he,in essence, would forfeit his next paycheck.

  91. bru December 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    GB, I think if JV pitches well, the Yanks may just re-sign him. However, I think this is it for Andy…..unless Joba stinks this year. The potential rotation for next year: CC, AJ, Javy (or Lee – but if JV pitches well, why spend $20million on Lee?), Joba, Phil. IMO, Phil is definitely in the rotation next year. If Joba does not do well this year, then I’m afraid he goes to the pen and maybe Andy is re-signed.

    I was not overly impressed with Joba in the pen during the playoffs, but then that’s not a suprise. The pen is not a cure-all for Joba’s ills.

    ————————————————————

    there is no way to predict what will happen this year & you are trying to predict 2 seasons ahead???

    lee is a much better pitcher than jv & i think the yankees go after him regardless

    i would also start both hughes & joba because we absolutely need to find out if they can or can’t be aces first & they have not been given a long enough chance especially hughes

    you just never know

    if they both become aces it will allow us to spend money elswhere

    if we sign lee next year we will have 3 pitchers making over 60 million

    this is why we are having problems upgrading the outfield & pen

    a 100 million dollar infield & 3 pitchers making over 60 million if we got lee allows us very little room to get better anywhere else even though i will take a less than great o.f. if our pitching is good

    i think it is a huge mistake not to keep hughes & joba as starters

    the problem is that they both can help the team & cashman has no money left for relievers

    i say let hughes & joba battle for the 5th spot with the other going to AAA

    we have 2 spots open next year & it might light a fire under joba’s but & knock him down a few pegs

    can you imagine if hughes & joba become aces like king felix,jj,etc???

    we can still get lee if we wanted & have a rotation of

    cc
    lee
    burnett
    joba
    hughes

    and if by some miracle hughes & joba turn into aces have the nastiest starting rotation on the planet not too mention we would only need 1 starter in 2 years instead of possibly 2

  92. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Bronx Burn, my father will be so proud, lol. He keeps saying that Rathbone is the man, but he’s never seen Brett. I like watching black and white shows/movies in the dark – the atmosphere is just completely enhanced.

  93. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Bru, how am I trying to predict 2 years in a row ? My main point was that I don’t think the Yankees will bring Andy back next year….unless they put Joba in the pen. Assuming that is not the case, there’s no room for Andy. Cash loves Phil – he’s going to be in the 2011 rotation. There’s CC, AJ, Joba, Phil……….It can’t be Andy unless the Yankees do not re-sign JV or sign Lee.

  94. GreenBeret7 December 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    bru
    December 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    there is no way to predict what will happen this year & you are trying to predict 2 seasons ahead???

    lee is a much better pitcher than jv & i think the yankees go after him regardless

    ————————————————————

    Nobody was predicting what anyone would do. She said IF.

    Much like you used the word IF, unless you too were in the prediction business.

  95. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Also, are you arguing against signing Lee? I really don’t want to give him $20 plus million ……..Either way, Joba and Phil are slotted to be in the 2011 rotation

  96. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    I have seen them all and prefer Rathbone. I love the noir look to this day. It allows for imagination much like a book but obviously more visual. Nevertheless, I prefer books, I suppose being a writer I would. :)

  97. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    That last message was directed to Betsy, sorry about that. In many ways the technology on this blog is a bit crude and should me more of a forum.

  98. Betsy - high on pie December 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Bronx, books are always best….I’m a book person and I love Conan Doyle. Have you ever read the Lost World? Fantastic book.

  99. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Hi Bets, yes but quite a while ago. I just got a Sony Reader and have been downloading some very old detective novels from Google. Some incredible stuff.

  100. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Betsy bias excerpt.
    . . . I was not overly impressed with Joba in the pen during the playoffs, but then that’s not a suprise. The pen is not a cure-all for Joba’s ills.
    ———————————————————
    Beg to differ. Joba pitched well in the playoffs and especially in the WS where Phil choked. Is your memory short, who did Girardi chose between the two young’uns?

    Let’s see what “ills” Phil will suffer from when he tries to pitch under Phil’s rules.

  101. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    REPOST OF A REPOST:

    JeterJobaCanoFan2010
    December 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    There are many posts regarding Joba’s value as a starter . It is heartening to read that he still has his believers, which, of course includes me. It does seem un-Yankee like to spend time on his development (NOT experiment) including 2 stints in the rotation to either demote him to the bullpen or AAA. And those who doubt his IQ need to show this board proof of that statement otherwise just cease.

    REPOST – just because.
    Benny Blanco
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
    Luvtap
    December 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
    Why is everyone is putting Joba in the Pen?

    ~ So wait a min.. We spend the entire year babying Joba so he doesnt go over 150 inns.
    ~ Now were gonna do the same thing w/ Hughes.

    Were smarter than most fans…and some reporters, cmon guys

    ~ Give Joba an entire year to either fail or succeed.
    ~ Joba has to start, as Hughes is only pitching 150 inns this year.
    ~ Joba still has 4 pitches….Phil looked normal in the playoffs..
    ===================================================

    Agreed. Joba has completed less then 100 innings in the minor leagues. Give him a chance to work on his craft.

    I want thim to succeed. We need to give him the opportunity to pitch without any restrictions. This whole notion that joba is a “failed” starter after pitching one year in the majors is absolutely absurd.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Joba suffered a shoulder injury at the end of 2008. I believe, it was Coney who said that it takes a least a year for full recovery.

  102. 86w183 December 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Hal already got $ 20 from me… for a beer and a burger!

  103. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Bronx Born,

    Do you like the Sony Reader? I am looking into getting either that or the Amazon Kindle. Can’t decide which.

  104. Pat M December 26th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Betsy, change the color of that bull’s eye that is on your back……You’ve been taking a way tooo many hits recently….Unwarranted I might add……

  105. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Hi Fran, I have it for a couple of days and I am really liking it. I have downloaded about 20 books that I found for free on Google. I think it better than the Kindle because it works with Google, and public libraries. lots of free downloads in addition to books. We did a lot of research and the Sony came up best.

  106. Bronx Born December 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Hey Pat — How goes?

  107. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Bronx Born,

    Thanks for the information. That helps a lot.

  108. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 26th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    re: Jeter and Mo next year

    OMG, I can’t imagine what all the Yankee boards will look like if the Yankees cut the salaries of Jeter and Mo. Both players are icons to Yankee fans.

    Both had successful 2009 seasons and I can’t foresee any salary cuts or any disrepect to them. I can hope, can’t I?

  109. bru December 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    i am not a big fan of vasquez but i love him matched up against everybody elses # 4 pitchers instead of other teams 1′s,2′s,3′s

  110. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 December 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Pat M: If you are referring to my post — unwarranted. Betsy will post that she is afraid for Phil’s development because Joba is ahead of him and many times she will post Joba as #4 and Phil as #5 in the future.

    She will turn around and say negative things about Joba like he isn’t impressive, he is a goat. She also will parrot SJ’s remarks about him. SJ is an intelligent poster but is he always 100% correct?? If so, I stand corrected.

    Maybe I am too thin-skinned about anti-Joba remarks, most of us do have our favorite players. I felt the same about Cano when all the venom was directed at him. So sue me!

    I do enjoy the level of knowledge on this Lo-Hud board. I have learned a lot about professional baseball. As long as commenters are objective, I have no problem.

  111. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Anti-Jobaism is a LoHud disease.

    Why must Phil-istines feel such hate?

  112. bru December 26th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Betsy – high on pie
    December 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    Bru, how am I trying to predict 2 years in a row ? My main point was that I don’t think the Yankees will bring Andy back next year….unless they put Joba in the pen. Assuming that is not the case, there’s no room for Andy. Cash loves Phil – he’s going to be in the 2011 rotation. There’s CC, AJ, Joba, Phil……….It can’t be Andy unless the Yankees do not re-sign JV or sign Lee
    ————————————————————

    not bringing pettitte back or bringing him back next year directly affects 2011 wich is 2 baseball seasons(2 years)

    there is no way too know what will happen with pettitte,hughes,joba,vasquez

    imo pitchers with the talents of hughes & joba who have been starters almost all their lives,drafted,scouted as such should be given every chance to succeed as starters

    joba should be given at least til the asb

    if he stinks throw him in the pen

    hughes all year & til the asb in 2011

    imo if we do not give joba & hughes the chance as starters there will always be doubt that will never go away

    i know it does not look pretty with joba as a starter but who knows one day it might click & we have another cc in our rotation

    i remember him going into fenway & beating becket 1-0
    if we ever got that back look out

  113. CR9 December 26th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    FoxTrot Sierra

    I love your idea…

    But most Yankees fans would say “why should we give money to a billionaire cash cow”

    I thought of trying to start a movement of people to do something like that a while ago, but my other hesitation came from if the media ever found fans giving money to the Yankees, could you imagine the backlash and insults they would receive for actually accepting money from the fans.

  114. bru December 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    GreenBeret7
    December 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    bru
    December 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    there is no way to predict what will happen this year & you are trying to predict 2 seasons ahead???

    lee is a much better pitcher than jv & i think the yankees go after him regardless

    ————————————————————

    Nobody was predicting what anyone would do. She said IF.

    Much like you used the word IF, unless you too were in the prediction business
    ———————————————————-

    mind yer business

    i don’t remember inviting you into the conversation

    we have been doing a great job of ignoring each other & i would like too keep it that way because i don’t really care for you all that much

    too much of a know it all

    i was not attacking betsy & i like her input & she can take care of herself

    thanks for your cooperation

  115. bardos December 26th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    the yankees talking to reed johnson’s agents regularly is the latest leftfield hype released to he press. what it does mean is that the yankees are still looking to sign an outfielder.

    So, Holliday or Damon… the first one who walks thru the door with lowered demands takes it.

  116. Pat M December 26th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    JeterJobaCanoFan…..By no means were you implied regarding Betsy…….Bronx Born, I’m doing alright, if I could only figure out how to hook up this Bose home entertainment system…….College Sheepskin isn’t what it used to be ……Any word on when Johnny comes marching home ?????? Nick in SF ( Currently hiding out in Charlotte ) , have you been to Rusans for shusi ??? I’m telling you it’s great and very unique

  117. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 26th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    No trip to Rusans yet, I’m afraid…dinners have been taken up by family gatherings…my brother-in-law is a fine chef…perhaps I’ll make it there before I head home, but it’s dicey…I do appreciate the recommendation, however.

  118. BigJoe44 December 26th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    I was looking for a little information on Jamie Hoffmann, and couldn’t find a lot out there (I guess Dodger’s prospects aren’t hyped quite like ours). I was able to find something interesting on Pinstripe Alley dated Dec 10th.

    ****
    Share A little analysis of Jamie Hoffmann
    by Travis G on Dec 10, 2009 2:29 PM EST

    The Yankees went with an interesting choice in the Rule 5 Draft. Instead of going for the high-risk, high-reward player that most teams want, they went for the ‘middle-of-the-road’ guy. As a perennial contender, the Yanks don’t have many chances to ‘audition’ youngsters (like the Nats and Pirates do). He has a better chance to stick on a major league roster all year than a younger, ‘rawer’ player. The Yanks wanted a player who would stay on the team the entire season. If Hoffmann doesn’t, they will have lost Brian Bruney for nothing.

    (That’s the rules of the Rule 5 Draft. The drafted player has to stay on the major league team all year. If he can’t, he can be offered back to his original organization for $25,000. If they decline that, then he can get sent to the minors.)

    Since Austin Jackson was traded yesterday, the Yanks acquired a player eerily similar to him.

    Ajax career: .288/.356/.410
    Hoffmann career: .283/.355/.401

    Ajax has more steals, and is two years younger, but Hoffmann actually looks to be the better defensive player. He has a better Range Factor in centerfield and overall outfield (for what it’s worth in the minors), and a much better assist rate (twice as good in fact: one in every 13 games vs. one in every 26 games for Ajax). And as LoHud pointed out, Baseball America rated his defense above average across the board (and the best in the Dodgers’ system):

    “He’s a big, physical outfielder with big league experience,” said Yankees pro scouting director Billy Eppler. “Our scouts saw some good things in him, including good defensive ability and a good arm. He runs well for his size, we’ve got him as a 55 runner at 6-foot-3, 235. Kevin Long, our hitting coordinator, looked at him on video and thinks there’s a foundation there hitting-wise.”

    Hoffmann also had a much better 2009 in Triple-A: 68 games, .285/.360/.455, 37 K, 32 BB, 10 SB, 8 CS for Albuquerque vs. 123 games, .300/.354/.405, 123 K, 40 BB, 24 SB, 4 CS for Ajax in Scranton. However, Albuquerque is a notorious hitter’s park. When neutralized for park effects, it drops his stats precipitously: .261/.331/.395. (FYI, Scranton is a perfectly neutral park.) His best asset is his ability to hit lefties: .974 OPS against southpaws in ’09. We may see him start against lefties in place of Melky/Gardner.

    When he was promoted to the Dodgers in May, Marc Hulet gave some great analysis on the rookie:

    He turned down the opportunity to play U.S. college hockey for a good program at Colorado College (he was also an eighth-round selection by the Carolina Hurricanes in 2003).

    So obviously, we know Hoffmann has some athletic skill despite being signed as a non-drafted amateur free agent out of a Minnesota high school. Hoffmann… is a player that does a little bit of everything well. He lacks that one tool that really makes him stand out, though. He can play all three outfield positions well. He can hit for a respectable average, but he’s not going to hit .300 consistently. Hoffmann is also probably good for 10-15 home runs in a full season, as well as 15-20 stolen bases.

    … the right-handed hitter is a good complementary player, who will not be a star. That said, he has the potential to grit-out a few above-average MLB seasons if given the opportunity. Hoffmann could also be a good platoon partner with [Juan] Pierre…

    Brett Gardner has been called ‘Juan Pierre with patience.’ It looks like one of our ’09 centerfielders will be traded.

    ****
    BigJoe back now,

    If Hoffmann sticks with the team, it looks like we may have a platoon situation in LF of Gardner/Hoffmann, or someone to rest Granderson against really tough LHP’s. That may have been Cashman’s plan and why Melky became expendable in the Javy deal.

  119. Eric December 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    JeterJoba,

    You know how fans are— fickle.

    Right now Hughes is the flavor of the month. When he experiences his growing pains as a starter next year, watch how quickly the fans and media turn on him. He’ll be getting booed off the mound just like Joba was with calls from the media to put him back to the pen and how he was overhyped. Then the fans who are killing Joba now will beg for Girardi to flip flop him and Hughes and give Joba the rotation spot because Hughes can’t handle it. Just look at how Joba was mythologized last year while fans killed Hughes. If you struggle, the fans turn on you.

    Luckily for Hughes, Damon most likely won’t be here LOL!

  120. it's a stretch December 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    the Meineke Car Nobody Cares Bowl is on

    crickets chirping…

  121. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    everyone who complaining

    don’t forget: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....vin-russo/

  122. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    pick up a backup for LF, and the team is covered

  123. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 26th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Urban Meyer shocker!

  124. it's a stretch December 26th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    the crickets stopped chirping

    that is pretty big news as far as college football is concerned

  125. Nick in SF in Charlotte, NC December 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I’ve seen a bunch of UNF fans and zero Pitt fans around town for this crapfest…I’ve been quite close to the stadium several times in recent days…the stakes could not be lower, but at least it’s a close game.

  126. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 26th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    does it mean Brian Kelly never coaches his first game?
    :)

  127. blake December 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Vinny b, I think they said he was steping down for medical reasons..

    Nick put your powder blue on and go cheer for the heels.

  128. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 26th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  129. CR9 December 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    test – >

  130. George December 27th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    The ‘Regular Season Total Save Stat’ is used as a marketing vehicle by some teams to sell tickets, jazz up fans, and get a fake award for a reliever. A recent example is Frankie Rodriguez in 2008 with the Angels. He had more ‘Regular Season Save Opportunities’ and ‘Regular Season Saves’ than everyone else, but his performance lagged greatly in other meaningful stats. First you have to have a team with the luxury of giving a reliever nothing but one inning “opportunities” hopefully with no one on base and a nice lead. Then it helps if the team has the division sewn up or has no hope, so you can put your cookie reliever in there to pad his stats. It helps too if Bud Selig wants to change baseball culture to elevate the ‘Regular Season Total Save Stat’ making it available for manipulation for or against a particular player. In so doing, the modern player whose greater accomplishments it can marginalize the most is of course Rivera. They come up with bits like, will Rivera ever catch Hoffman? The Hoffman camp is obsessed with Rivera and imagines their guy has some relevance to baseball in New York. Of course, he doesn’t, no one cares about him and his over hyped stat. Howard Bryant on 10/23/09 wrote about Rivera after one of the Angels ALCS games. As an ESPN employee, he has to measure his words, but he did say, “Of all the positions in all of professional sports, there is no greater gap than the best closer of all time to the second best. He is that good.” The media have already put Hoffman in the Hall, fine. Selig, who to a great extent controls certain baseball awards voting, wants to grease the skids for Hoffman and has put his advocacy in an MLB.com article on Hall of Fame stationery.

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