DeRosa on the radar, but unlikely
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 28, 2009 
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Turns out, it’s also cold in New York. After a bit of a delay in Detroit, I’m finally back in my apartment. And the hot stove has at least gotten a bit warmer.
Looks like Mark DeRosa is moving closer to a deal with the Giants. Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees remain interested and will be “disappointed” if the DeRosa-to-the-Giants deal goes through. None of this is especially new information — we were basically hearing the same things last week — but it suggests the situation hasn’t changed over the weekend.
One thing that might have changed, Heyman is also reporting that the Yankees are not interested in Jermaine Dye. I’m not sure the Yankees were ever closely linked to the veteran outfielder, but he was certainly the subject of some speculation because he’s a right-handed hitter who can play the outfield corners and hit for power, and he would probably be available on a one-year deal.
Even if DeRosa and Dye aren’t in the mix – and if the Yankees are honestly not planning to spend the money it would take for Matt Holliday, Jason Bay or Johnny Damon – there are still handful of interesting options to boost left field: Marlon Byrd, Rick Ankiel, Reed Johnson, Xavier Nady (depending on cost and health), Marcus Thames, Randy Winn. Considering the Yankees are looking for a No. 9 hitter, those are pretty solid options. I still like the idea of a Reed Johnson/Brett Gardner platoon.
Marcus Thames would fit the Boomerang Yankees theme Cashman has going this off season.
Well, if the Yankees really wanted DeRosa, they would have made him a better offer than what the Giants did. It’s nice that he was on the radar, but the Yankees will need to be prepared to lose a lot of guys “on the radar” if they don’t pay them (I don’t mean burn $$, but the Yanks are going a bit cheap on the LF bit and when players have other options, why should they come here?)
If not Holliday or Damon, why bother?
betsy, one would hope that a chance of winning would be motivation enough. if they don’t want the money we offer, too bad. play for someone else.
I don’t buy the idea that the Yankees are “disappointed” in not signing a guy like DeRosa.
I really don’t see what all of the interest in him is. He’s just not particularly good. And he’s exactly the kind of player they have not tried to sign over the past two years.
I just don’t see the yankees caring enough one way or the other to be “disappointed.”
If Derosa is on the Yankees radar I can’t see how Nady is too expensive.
repost.
Simple solution to the Yankees having to stay within the budget. Go public with it and ask for some bail out money. Use it to get Holliday. If Wells Fargo can get Wachovia with the money, why cant the Yankees spend it as they please. Promise Holliday a 100k message once he signs on the dotted line.
What about this guy I heard we picked up last week, Geoffrey Sarnataro?? Isn’t he a LF?
Bubba Crosbys playing CF.
Derosa is valuable as a utility guy. If you put him in LF full time them much of that value goes out the window..
I just don’t see the yankees caring enough one way or the other to be “disappointed.”
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Maybe this is all a missunderstanding. It could be an honest mix up and what they meant to say is the Mets are going to be very dissapointed. They havnt landed anything yet and looks like their shooting blanks on the big fish.
Agree, Chad.
Love the idea of a Gardner/Reed Johnson platoon. Speed and plus defense from the position.
Sounds like another subliminal message.
Sarnataro has decent numbers. Might be a sleeper.
NYY needs to just offer up a minor league pitcher or Mitre and an outfielder like Colin Curtis and bring Cabrera back to New York. Atlanta has no spot for him and they won’t get any more from the Cubs than that.
If DeRosa does sign with the Giants that looks like one less place for Damon to sign, especially if the Giants sign Uribe.
On another note – what thoughts go through Brian Sabean’s mind when he makes these moves?
The Giants have very good young pitching and desperately need a bat. And it looks like he not only wants to sign the mediocre hitting DeRosa, but also Uribe which would force DeRosa to left field.
How is a 35 years old derosa going to help that team?
Maybe the Yankees are disappointed that DeRosa decided to chase the most money rather than signing with his boyhood team for like 1 yr/$5 mil with a chance to win a ring.
I know I would be if I were them.
ankiel not on radar
Sarnataro is a lefty pitcher signed by the Mets.
Mikey S
December 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Sarnataro has decent numbers. Might be a sleeper.
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Still trolling with a non-existant player?
“NYY needs to just offer up a minor league pitcher or Mitre and an outfielder like Colin Curtis and bring Cabrera back to New York. Atlanta has no spot for him and they won’t get any more from the Cubs than that.”
This is probably the best suggestion for LF that anyone has offered. If possible, Cashman should be all over this. Our best option is the guy we just traded away. But as luck may have it, the team we traded him to doesn’t need him.
Who’s Geoffrey Sarnataro? I can’t find out a thing about him. Who’d he play for last year?
Just got off my last flight home.
Who did the Yanks get for left field?
What? Nobody yet?
I wonder what they’re waiting for.
DeRosa might go to 3rd with Sandoval moving to 1st.
Yanks are well aware of DeRosa’s defensive and on base shortcomings.
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Sarnataro is a lefty pitcher signed by the Mets.
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I haven’t found that name on any roster of a high school, independent league or professional organization, Trader. This idiot has been putting this up for almost three weeks, under different SNs.
i would love it if cabrera comes back to the bronx
Yeah, the Mets signed Sarnataro. Guess we missed out on him.
Now that Cabrera is gone. Can i take the baton from Chip and start the “trade someone for Dejesus”?
There is still a good market for Damon, if he is willing to take a 1 yr deal for about 6-7 million. At his current demands, no one wants him. However, when he inevitable lowers his demands, teams will be after him.
There are not 32 teams with LF’ers better than Damon. A team in the AL like Oakland or the Chi Sox where he could DH some could be a nice fit.
He’s not going to left out in the cold. He won’t come crawling back here.
If the Yankees pass on Holliday, Carl Crawford’s eye’s will light up brighter than his agent’s and he won’t be signing an extension with a team stuck in a division owned by the New York Yankees.
That is why Cashman continues to allude to the attractive 2011 free agent class. It’ his secret code for hinting that big money is available now and later. He uses it as leverage in negotiations. In other words, if the price is wrong for Holliday right now, the Yankees will spend big dough in 2011 to compensate for the loss.
Otherwise, without any long-term options for LF on the horizon, the Yankees are more pressured to bid higher for Holliday now.
S.o.S.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Now that Cabrera is gone. Can i take the baton from Chip and start the “trade someone for Dejesus”?
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If you do, I’ll send you a lot of nastygrams.
The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS
“There are not 32 teams with LF’ers better than Damon.”
There aren’t even 30.
GB7-
geoffrey sarnataro-accountant
googled it till I found the right Geoff Sarnataro-wannabe pitcher!!!! LOL
If we’re going to add an OF to platoon with Gardner, then someone with more power like Hinske makes sense. He gives you the flexibility of a pinch hitting too. & he can’t cost that much.
Who else here hates finding out that they are posting on an old thread. There has got to be something that Chad/Sam/Josh can do about this.
I don’t agree with trading to get Melky back. I think Hoffmann will stick with team this year (why else would Cashman trade Bruney?) and give us the same kind of tandem with Gardner that we had last year.
I would like to see something better than Gardner/Hoffmann is LF this year, but I don’t want anything marginally better. Still holding out for Holliday, or sticking with the platoon.
I like Gardner’s speed at the bottom of the lineup.
If you do, I’ll send you a lot of nastygrams.
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Thats exactly what i was affraid of. Never mind. No need to eat peed on corn flakes.
I get mad when I inadvertently post to an old thread. It’s almost as bad as what the Colts did yesterday.
I like Gardner as a pinch runner.
The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS
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lol. Cant get enough of this!! This must be a record for the most frequently said line in a span of 2 weeks. Repita porfavor?
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
GB7-
geoffrey sarnataro-accountant
googled it till I found the right Geoff Sarnataro-wannabe pitcher!!!! LOL
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He has the perfect second job, then. Counting up his consecutive games streak of non-appearances. On the other hand, he might be better than anything else the Mets have.
It will be an exciting spring training.
I live close enough to drive to a few games, but the ticket brokers buy them all up and spring training games cost as much as regular season games.
The longer Matt Halladay stays on the market, the greater chance he becomes a Yankee.
Eventually, Cash will convince Hal to open up the purse, the Yanks’ alternative options will start to come off the board, and the scouts will sell Cash how Crawford’s low OBP is not a fit in our lineup next year.
Brett Gardner is not the answer. Neither is Reed “bad back and inept vs. righties” Johnson. Halladay makes no so much sense and he will be our answer.
As more days go bye, the better the chance we get Matty to come to the BX.
“The team that potentially is a real loser with DeRosa signing is St. Louis.
DeRosa was St. Louis plan B option if they couldn’t sign Holliday. Not that option is gone”
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CB: why not Damon as the fallback option? I don’t get the attraction with DeRosa other then roster flexibility and him being from the Tri-State
Nick,
I was finally getting past it. Now im going to have to bill you for my shrink visits. Did i just say bill(bill polian)?! Thanks again bro.
BigJoe44
December 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Who else here hates finding out that they are posting on an old thread. There has got to be something that Chad/Sam/Josh can do about this.
I don’t agree with trading to get Melky back. I think Hoffmann will stick with team this year (why else would Cashman trade Bruney?) and give us the same kind of tandem with Gardner that we had last year.
I would like to see something better than Gardner/Hoffmann is LF this year, but I don’t want anything marginally better. Still holding out for Holliday, or sticking with the platoon.
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Holliday or BUST!!! I’m with you.
Holliday, Damon, Gardner. Those would be my 3 LF candidates in that order of preference.
GeorgeInJax,
Hinske can’t cover LF or CF in Yankee Stadium, so he would not platoon with Gardner. He is a big bat off the bench, but as the team stands right now, all he can do is pinch-hit for Gardner, and possibly for Granderson against some LHP. I agree that he is a possibility for the Yankee bench (small one though), but I would much rather have guys who can play defense on the bench.
I like the idea of DeRosa splitting outfield time with Gardner and giving each of the infielders a full days rest from time to time with Gardner playing LF. I think that is much better than using Jerry Hairton Jr. in that roll.
CB: checked your other post. Notice you share the same view of DeRosa
Did you hear what I said?
Maybe you missed it?
Said it a thousand times…
The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS
I like Gardner.
The Yankees ought to be looking for a #5 hitter because they lost the one they had to the Angels. Anyone who thinks Granderson can protect A-Rod in the #5 spot is dead wrong. With the game on the line, A-Rod gets an automatic walk and the opposing manager brings in any schlock lefthander to get Granderson out (.182 against lefties last year). Unless Cashman has something up his sleeve (DeRosa would help, Holliday would be better), he didn’t think this one through.
You can quote me on that.
Reed Johnson and Hoffmann are redundant. What do we need to RH hitting outfielders for on the 25 man?
Not that he has much credibility, but, Stark says that Derosa has taken a physical for the Giants, today.
“Unless Cashman has something up his sleeve (DeRosa would help, Holliday would be better), he didn’t think this one through.”
I understand Jorge Posada is a switch hitter…
Why are we assuming Granderson is slated to bat 5th?
He has the perfect second job, then. Counting up his consecutive games streak of non-appearances.
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With a name like that(Sarnataro),He should of jumped into the Saprano series while he had the chance. Probably would have gotten axed early on. But its too late now.
“Reed Johnson and Hoffmann are redundant. What do we need to RH hitting outfielders for on the 25 man?”
We don’t even know if Hoffman is a ML player yet!
Boy, it does seem like Holliday doesn’t want to play for the Cardinals. Unless he’s waiting for the market to “develop”.
He should just sign a one year $20M and try again next year.
“Reed Johnson and Hoffmann are redundant. What do we need to RH hitting outfielders for on the 25 man?”
Reed Johnson is VERY effective against lefties. That’s what makes him a POTENTIAL option.
S.o.S.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
He has the perfect second job, then. Counting up his consecutive games streak of non-appearances.
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With a name like that(Sarnataro),He should of jumped into the Saprano series while he had the chance. Probably would have gotten axed early on. But its too late now.
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Tony would have rubbed him out within the first 3 minutes…maybe during the opening credits.
Chad,you had a delay in Detroit?Why..another Dutch hero who saved a plane over there??
There’s a new post up.
Gardner stinks— period. So does Hoffmann. Reed Johnson is a huge waste of time considering he can’t hit lefties and has back problems.
Stop using LF as a waste station for below average players. We can platoon 10 guys… it doesn’t matter if all 10 of them stink. Rather than using 3-4 guys for one spot, none who will produce even average production, why not just sign one player who will provide elite production from LF for the next 5 years in Holliday?
This platoon thing has disaster written all over it. And we have to deal with this same thing next year. End this nonsense and sign Holliday. Gardner is what he is– and he stinks. So do his platoon mates.
Sorry – excuse my last post. Got tabs mixed up.
Pete Abe giving DRob some love (he always was a big Robertson fan):
[Comment From diggybrowndiggybrown: ]
Hey Peter, Why didn’t the Sox hold on to Saito, and (even though they are the reigning champs) aren’t the Yankees looking at bullpen issues by moving Hughes and Joba to the rotation?
Peter A: What was so special about Saito? He was a 6th or 7th inning guy? I think the Yankees will get a lot out of Dave Robertson
If DeRosa was the Cards’ fall back option, then they’ll probably increase their offer to Holliday. Damon in the NL? With no DH? That would not be a good move.
There is? I don’t see a new post…..
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The team that potentially is a real loser with DeRosa signing is St. Louis.
DeRosa was St. Louis plan B option if they couldn’t sign Holliday. Not that option is gone.
This is a key negotiating strategy of Boras’s. By making a team wait to sign one of his guys he gets that team on the hook for that player. Boras implicitly increases the opportunity cost for that team to not sign that particular client because the team’s other options come off the board as he makes them wait.
Johnny Damon is coming back. I still believe
A few opinions:
1. I don’t think any player is going to take a one-year deal with a “chance to win a ring” for lesser money per year, when they have a better offer. Budget or not, no player is going to take less money from the richest team in baseball. So I can’t fault DeRosa.
2. I keep seeing people saying the Yankees are cutting payroll “to please the fans or other teams that criticize them”. That’s ridiculous. At the end of the day, this is a business, a company. They actually forecast and crunch numbers. Why spend another 18mill a year on a LF to win another what, 2 games maybe? They know what they’re doing.
3. Why is Carl Crawford the ONLY player they could get next year. I like Werth. Or they could trade. Its good to have flexibility.
“There is? I don’t see a new post…..”
He made a mistake with his tabs.
Mad Man
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Gardner stinks— period. So does Hoffmann. Reed Johnson is a huge waste of time considering he can’t hit lefties and has back problems.
Stop using LF as a waste station for below average players. We can platoon 10 guys… it doesn’t matter if all 10 of them stink. Rather than using 3-4 guys for one spot, none who will produce even average production, why not just sign one player who will provide elite production from LF for the next 5 years in Holliday?
This platoon thing has disaster written all over it. And we have to deal with this same thing next year. End this nonsense and sign Holliday. Gardner is what he is– and he stinks. So do his platoon mates.
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I agree with you 100% my friend but I’m not sure you’re the guy Cashman wants to take with him to the negotiating table
Hoffmann will be apart of a deal for David DeJesus. Watch.
I saw that after I posted, Craw – oops.
anybody else like Randy Winn? guy is a solid player. SF is really dumb.
More time has gone by for the Mets signing Bay than time gone by for the Lowell trade to Texas that didn’t happen.
The Wilpons or Minaya must have cold feet.
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“why not Damon as the fallback option?”
vinny,
If you’re referring to the Cards I think NL teams are leery of Damon’s combined asking price and defense.
Randy Winn’s numbers look really bad, I rather go with Reed Johnson.
ko,
It looks really grim, except some LHP’s are schlockier than others.
I can remember ARod getting intentionally walked many times this year, and Matsui failing. I also remember Matsui coming through. Go figure.
Ball games can be won with one swing, but are rarely (dare I say never) lost with one swing. Losing is usually a team effort.
I think we’ll be fine with Granderson or Posada hitting 5th, although I’m still hoping we can pencil Holliday in there.
Gardner stinks— period.
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um, no he doesn’t. blanket statements like that are ridiculous.
Gardner is an excellent defender (if you don’t believe your eyes you can check out his UZR stats), and if you look into his numbers he has always been a productive hitter at every level (apart from his ’08 big league #s).
give the guy a chance before completely dismissing him.
CB
December 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
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The team that potentially is a real loser with DeRosa signing is St. Louis.
DeRosa was St. Louis plan B option if they couldn’t sign Holliday. Not that option is gone.
This is a key negotiating strategy of Boras’s. By making a team wait to sign one of his guys he gets that team on the hook for that player. Boras implicitly increases the opportunity cost for that team to not sign that particular client because the team’s other options come off the board as he makes them wait.
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That sounds like a devastating tactic. Cashman’s inactivity on Holliday and constant reviewing of other options hints at Cash’s awareness of this strategy. He won’t be held hostage to it.
CB, which begs the question, how long will the Cards continue to wait?
Want a power hitting LF’er for next to nothing???
Trade Igawa’s remaining salary to the Rays for Pat Burrell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Garbage in, Garbage out!!!
Could these ESPN and media personnel be any more transparent?
They are clearly upset that the Colts threw the game because it was against and helped the Jets.
If the Colts did this versus the Patriots, they’d be in love with Caldwell’s decision.
If the Patriots did this at all, they would be praising Bill Belichick’s decision.
“There is? I don’t see a new post…..”
He made a mistake with his tabs.
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I was starting to think the IMPOSTERS were back.
anybody else like what the Angels have done with their bullpen?
Fuentes/closer
Rodney/set-up
“Cashman’s inactivity on Holliday and constant reviewing of other options hints at Cash’s awareness of this strategy. He won’t be held hostage to it.”
Which may be part of the reason why he traded for Vazquez.
The Sox learned their lesson last year. Boras kept stringing them along and all of the other attractive players came off the board and in the end they didn’t get Tex.
Boston signed Lackey to a huge deal this year. Last year they didn’t even put in a serious bid for CC because all they focused on was Tex.
Then in the end they wound up signing dreck and tried calling it their “low risk – high reward” strategy with Smoltz, etc.
This year they quickly moved on from Bay and Holliday and signed Cameron and Lackey before they went off the board.
“Want a power hitting LF’er for next to nothing???
Trade Igawa’s remaining salary to the Rays for Pat Burrell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Garbage in, Garbage out!!!”
No thanks, I rather keep Igawa’s salary since it doesn’t count towards the luxury tax and Burrell can’t field nor apparently hit ML pitching any longer.
the bench could look like this:
Hoffman OF (all fields)
Pena INF/Pinch runner
Kevin Russo INF/Pinch Runner
Hinske Pinch Hitter/RF/LF
Miranda Pinch Hitter/DH/1B
Cervelli C
Every position is backed up and 11 spots left for pitching
I agree with this that someone on NYYFans posted:
I’m wondering if we’re considering the 2011 Free Agent class too much when thinking about offering a contract to Holliday. I mean Crawford could very well be traded and extended, Mauer will probably never leave Minny, Halladay is already off the market. I think you have a “in his prime” left-fielder available RIGHT NOW, you should at least make a run.
Unless hitters are strictly going for the money, I can’t see Bay and Holliday going to the Mets, San Diego or San Francisco. Those parks are graveyards for hitters. Derosa has about three years of affectivemess left.
I want no part of Burrell, just asking a question.
Did Burrell help (contribute) the Phillies win the 2008 title?
If yes, how did he fall so far off the map this year with the Rays?
CR,
I’m rooting for the Colts the rest of the way— hope Caldwell sticks it to all these “experts”, just parroting one another with no originality.
“I’m wondering if we’re considering the 2011 Free Agent class too much when thinking about offering a contract to Holliday. I mean Crawford could very well be traded and extended, Mauer will probably never leave Minny, Halladay is already off the market. I think you have a “in his prime” left-fielder available RIGHT NOW, you should at least make a run.”
Thats been said on this site for weeks now…
blake,
That’s a good question. The Cards are in a bit of a pickle because they traded their best prospect for Holliday and they have a very thin system. If they don’t sign him long term that’s a hit.
That said, it is getting to the point where their options are going to dwindle.
It really gets down to how much risk they want to absorb given how they specifically value Holliday as a player. For instance, it may be that Jason Bay is of no interest to them. If that’s the case then the opportunity cost of waiting for Holliday is less than it might be for a club that would value both players.
But St. Louis very well could wind up fielding an awful line up around Pujols once again should they not sign Holliday.
Which is exactly what Boras wants and part of the reason why he isn’t having Holliday sign.
The longer Holliday doesn’t sign the more painful it becomes for St. Louis to lose him.
It’s a very bad vicious cycle for a team to be stuck in.
Hey roger, Merry Christmas (I don’t know how to say it in Dutch or Hollandish or Netherlandish or in the Anstertongue)!!
Great job by the Dutch film guy. He definitely improved on the counter-terror approach of previous Dutch film guys.
MLB channel:
VERY loose speculation. Cubs may look at landing Ellsbury from the Sox, if Boston decides to get in on Matt Holliday and/or Bay
As a yankee fan living on the north side of Chicago, I can tell you that Reed Johnson is just what we need as a platoon outfielder. Reed Johnson plays baseball the right way – he wears his socks up to his knees and he ran into that wall whenever the sacrifice was required. . . and at Wrigley, behind that ivy is a BRICK WALL. . .
So frustrating seeing Holliday just sitting out there… only one offer after 2 months (well 2, if you count Boston’s, but that is no longer on the table). A guy who was projected to get $150-$160 million is only being offered 1\2 that.
He fits a position of need and is better than anything that is on the market in the next 2 off-seasons. Makes so much sense.
It is like seeing the carrot dangled in front of the rabbit….
waiting for the gentleman’s name. Don’t know the writers name who is speculating…
Phil Rogers
I hope DeRosa sign’s elsewhere. He’s mediocre at all the positions he plays.
Again, I’m ok with Gardy just as I was with Melky. Hoffmann is a non-issue, until I see with my own eyes that he can contribute. Otherwise, as far as I’m concerned, he’s a temporary place-holder on the roster.
S.o.S, are you filling-in for Chip? Where is he anyway?
I don’t see the absolute need to upgrade our #9 hitter. It actually sounds absurd seeing it in type. Most teams are trying to upgrade their #3 or #4 hitter, and we’re crying about our #9. Amazing.
Frankly, I’d like to see Cashman be bold and trade for Crawford now, but it wouldn’t make sense to trade talent and then pay, when you can just pay in a year. We’re experts at this now.
Crawford wont agree to an extension if the Yankees go Holliday-less.
He’ll test the market.
Why would he pass up that money and a chance to win?
With an extension he’d get less money than he would in free agency plus he’d be stuck on a team that can’t beat these Yankees.
So, I guess Crawford likes Tampa Bay so much that he’s willing to take less pay and fewer wins.
It’s Holliday now or Crawford later.
CB,
What I love about the Cards standing pat, the Yankees not being involved, and other such interest being minimal for Matt Holliday is that it sends the message that teams ultimately hold the power.
If the Rockies offered Holliday a 4 year, 82 million contract and he passed it up, I think that is great for that team and it makes Holliday look like a greedy tool. It also makes Boras look bad too.
Good luck getting $20 million a year Matt.
CB, I agree totally with that..The Cards need Holliday much more than the Yankees do and as backup options start to fall off the board they are likely to become more and more nervous. The biggest question remaining is whats is the Cardinal’s max bid for Holliday? How far will they go knowing they are going to have deal with Pujols next year?
Reed Johnson is a nice outfielder, but barely an offensive upgrade to Gardner.
No reason to add him unless he is a measurable improvement.
Id rather go with who we have.
it will be an ’11th-hr’ deal, damon for 2 yrs. feeling warm and fuzzy on this.
Randy Winn is a year + younger than Damon. Hits from both sides of the plate. Can play any OF position. Is familiar with the AL with time in Tampa Bay and Seattle. Might be willing to take a 1-year deal or no worse than a team option for a 2nd year.
Is not a Scott Boras client.
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb....._id=133160
Michelle
December 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
As a yankee fan living on the north side of Chicago, I can tell you that Reed Johnson is just what we need as a platoon outfielder. Reed Johnson plays baseball the right way – he wears his socks up to his knees and he ran into that wall whenever the sacrifice was required. . . and at Wrigley, behind that ivy is a BRICK WALL. . .
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And stuck in that ivy somewhere is the rest of Johnson’s spine.
Bay, please sign with the Mets already. I really don’t want Boston getting him back. They need a power bat and they could get one for a discount if the Mets don’t step up.
Haha Merry Christmas Nick.In Dutch it’s ‘gelukkig kerstfeest’
They did a terrible job screening that guy in Amsterdam but thankfully it didn’t cost any lives
Cardnials should just sign AP to a massive extension now and tell Holliday that they can’t afford him.
jvcelt,
I think Damon is the obvious best fit right now for the Yankees but he is way too expensive right now.
Its a shame that he wasn’t more patient with his demands at the get-go.
Now you have to wonder if this little bit about him being bitter about a lesser contract would hold true.
I’d love to see us sign Damon for 2/$16 million but I highly doubt that will occur, plus, he’s also a Type A Free Agent, no?
There is defnitely interest in Ellsbury but I still think Boston will target Prince Fielder for 1b. Prince is 2 years from free agency and will be looking for Teixeira money. A small market team like the Brewers can’t tie up such a large proportion of its resources in a first baseman. Next off-season, Prince becomes a 1 year rental so, perhaps the Brewers would sell high if Boston is willing to pay and pay DEARLY.
Derek Lee might be a cheaper alternative for the Sox but I don’t see the Cubs trading him.
still living with the pain of a hole in left field, I see.
It can’t be easy being Cashman.
Talkin to himself, there’s no one else who needs to know…
Memories back when he was bold and strong…
And waiting for the world to come along…
He dreams in colors, he dreams in red, can’t find a Betemit.
jvcelt
December 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
it will be an ‘11th-hr’ deal, damon for 2 yrs. feeling warm and fuzzy on this.
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Maybe that “warm, fuzzy feeling” was from when you wizzed on your wool blanket.
“I don’t see the absolute need to upgrade our #9 hitter. It actually sounds absurd seeing it in type. Most teams are trying to upgrade their #3 or #4 hitter, and we’re crying about our #9. Amazing.”
Yep, Yankees fans are soooo spoiled. What we can’t live with Brett Gardner in the 9 spot?
Boo Hoo… we need 9 all stars, the team can’t win with brett gardner and his above average D and speed batting 9th!!! go out and get jermaine dye!
Boston can target Prince Fielder all they want, but they won’t get him this offseason.
DaSaint007,
I agree…I was bantering about the Pujols situation a week or so ago on here.
It amazes me that the Cards are throwin this kind of money at Holliday when they haven’t locked down Pujols.
They need to get their priorities straight.
“I don’t see the absolute need to upgrade our #9 hitter. It actually sounds absurd seeing it in type. Most teams are trying to upgrade their #3 or #4 hitter, and we’re crying about our #9. Amazing.”
Thats why the Yankees are the Yankees and the Royals are the Royals. The Yankees and their fans simply care more..
“Cardnials should just sign AP to a massive extension now ”
I could see Pujols asking for a 10 yr/ 300-320M deal. Maybe 8yrs/ 250M. Something like that.
St. Louis has some very difficult decisions to make in terms of how much risk they want to absorb long term given Holliday’s free agency now and Albert’s coming up in two years.
I don’t get the Hoffman love. I think people feel if Cashman was interested he must have value. Well, he wasn’t good enough to make the Dodgers 40 man roster, and no one else thought enough of him to trade for him. He is a huge question mark. The Yankees should only look at him as a possible fifth OF and not one to play at all regularly.
BTW
The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS
prince,
when reality sets in, ur numbers seem like a reasonable place for him to end up at. just think it will happen in the end.
I can see Damon crawling back year in another couple of weeks when he realizes no one wants him and his options are dwindling.
Blake, our options are falling off the table as well…..I really don’t believe Cash wants to go into the season with BG as a starter. There would be a darn good chance (more, IMO) that he’d fail and then we’d have to make a dumb trade at the deadline because we would need a LF. We need to sign a LF now….
If you go to baseball-reference.com you can look up players stats. I was looking at some of the names that have come up like Reed Johnson & Randy Winn.
Neither one is a big upgrade from Brett Gardner who is only 25yo and still improving. Unless we go for a big bat free agent (Holliday or Bay) we’re better off staying in house.
Damon still has some offense, but he is a mess defensively.
“Next off-season, Prince becomes a 1 year rental so, perhaps the Brewers would sell high if Boston is willing to pay and pay DEARLY.”
Prince isn’t that good as he’s such an awful defensive player. He really is a DH. He’s not the kind of guy the Sox are going to break the bank looking at unless they get somewhat desperate and Gonzalez is traded to another team.
To lose out on Tex and then Gonzalez only to have to settle for Fielder would be a huge blow to the Sox.
S.o.S, are you filling-in for Chip? Where is he anyway?
I don’t see the absolute need to upgrade our #9 hitter. It actually sounds absurd seeing it in type. Most teams are trying to upgrade their #3 or #4 hitter, and we’re crying about our #9. Amazing.
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No Saint, im not filling in for Chip. I mentioned Dejesus last offseason and was sold on Melky being the same. This year Melky gets traded and people are wanting a guy who has infield dirt power to play left field. So i thought Chip can bring up Dejesus once more, being that everyone is coming off the board. Then GB7 warned me about suggesting it and i chickened out. BTW, its not 9th hitter that we’re talking about. Its our #5.
Perhaps I sound like a broken record when I say this but, the Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS
Feel free to quote me on that.
OK- We’ve hashed and rehashed left field options.
I’m going to list my five favorite movies I’ve seen this year:
The Hurt Locker
Inglorious Basterds
Avatar
Up in the Air
Pirate Radio
Any opinions??
roger, I’m pretty sure I said ‘gelukkig kerstfeest’ the last time I was in Amsterdam. But I was just babbling in a coffee shop.
I don’t blame the screeners in Schippol (sp?) too much, it’s hard to concentrate with all the international hotties buzzing around the duty free. I once bought a 12-pound Toblerone log there without even knowing it.
Betsy, the Yankees don’t need to do anything. As was said earlier the Yankees could go into 2010 with me in LF and still compete for a playoff spot. There are still several options left out there including just letting Gardner play. The Cards are in a completely different boat, they need a bat badly. The Yankees are in a much better situation to wait out Holliday than any other team is.
If NYY doesn’t go after Holliday, or, maybe Cabrera, the one player that could offer an upgrade is Felix Pie. He’s a very good defensive player and it appears that he may have finally figured out what his bat if for. Baltimore is overloaded in the outfield with 6 outfielders, five are young and reasonably priced. 3 are off limits.
CB
December 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
“Next off-season, Prince becomes a 1 year rental so, perhaps the Brewers would sell high if Boston is willing to pay and pay DEARLY.”
Prince isn’t that good as he’s such an awful defensive player. He really is a DH. He’s not the kind of guy the Sox are going to break the bank looking at unless they get somewhat desperate and Gonzalez is traded to another team.
To lose out on Tex and then Gonzalez only to have to settle for Fielder would be a huge blow to the Sox.
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Wow, you really think so? Fielder is only 25 and he’s a monster of a 50 HR threat. Granted he’s more of a DH but he’s the closest thing the Sox can get to David Ortiz in his prime (when he wassa juicin’ ana takin’ de steroi)
Jax –
Exactly. Reed Johnson is basically the right handed version of Gardner, except without the speed. He is a singles hitter who hits lefties and plays good defense. Can’t hit righties at all and is already 33.
If Gardner goes down, Reed Johnson can’t step in full-time because he can’t hit righties to save his life.
” I still like the idea of a Reed Johnson/Brett Gardner platoon.”
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That is TOO FUNNY !,,.,,Sarcasm, right ?
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What in the HALE would support the “liking” of the platoon of those 2 ?
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Johnson rakes against lefties and is a good defensive player. I’d prefer him for the bench than for a platoon. I still think we’ll land Holliday for left.
I like Carl Crawford, but there is no way that he comes to NY this year. When is the last time you saw the Yankees made a major deal with a team in their division?
Who really wants to see Johnny Damon in LF? He’s a defensive disaster! I’d rather see a platoon of Gardner/ DeRosa or Hoffman than have every baserunner North of Molina scoring from second on Damon’s arm off of a base hit to left field. there should be enough offense to make up for Damon’s bat.
By the Way, Eric Hinske bats left handed, so he would not be a strong platoon for Gardner.
“He dreams in colors, he dreams in red, can’t find a Betemit.”
bravo my good man
Thames is an interesting thought. Has good power, and would be a good option as pinch hitter when not starting in LF. Doesn’t hit much for average, though.
I still remember the team giving him the silent treatment after he hit the first pitch he ever saw in the majors for a HR off of Randy Johnson. That was cool.
Seriously folks, I love this team as much as anyone else. But if you gave me $5 million to spend, it wouldn’t be in LF. There were names out there that could have made a bridge to mo solid. SOLID. But we chose not to spend there due to the ‘uncertainties’ of relief pitching.
Ok, I get that. But having an ‘average’ LFer at the start – emphasis on start – of the season, is not going to in any way cause the team to not make the playoffs.
Cash did a great job getting Granderson for CF. The prior year he basically stole Swisher, whom none of us would have pined for the prior year, but he turned out to be a great trade. Our rotation is also solidified, but our bullpen is full of questions.
Mo is Mo. Next?
Robertson. We hope he’ll continue to do well.
Marte. We hope he returns to his playoff form, and not his mid-season form.
Aceves? Good, and not so good. But we hope he’s good.
Gaudin? Ok, but seriously, Gaudin?
Mitre? See above.
Melancon? We know he’s done well in AAA. But not so well in his brief call up. So again, we hope he’s better.
Boone Logan? Seriously?
And we’re worried about our #9 hitter?
Brett,
Prince can rake but his value is entirely different if he’s a DH or if he’s a 1b.
The brewers are going to value him as a 1b. In the free agent market Prince and Boras will value him as a 1b.
If you pay the freight for what he costs as a 1b and he turns out really to be a DH then that’s the set up to making a very bad deal.
This isn’t a guy who you are going to acquire by signing for 1.25M the way the sox got Ortiz.
Moving forward,tThe Sox need a power hitting corner infielder more than they need a DH. DH’s are just much easier to find.
And Prince really is bad defensively.
Whatever happened to Connor Jackson?
Rockies have 5 OFer’s-Seth Smith, Ryan Spillborghs,Carlos Gonzalez, Dexter Fowler and Brad Hawpe.
There’s always Gary Sheffield!!!!
Did I hit a nerve yet???
“He dreams in colors, he dreams in red, can’t find a Betemit.”
If you don’t condition yourself in the offseason, you’re liable to pull something when they count.
I find it suspect that the Yankees know for spending when it fits their vision of their team makeup, and coming off a WS win,would circulate a spending freeze.
Holliday went to XM radio and said his first choice was the Yankees, 2nd Mets.
Cashman is in stealth mode, he’s not about to speak to the media, and lay out his plan.
I really wanted Cashman to get Rafael Soriano for the pen.
why are we speculating that the yankees trade for melky after just trading him? i know the braves may see him as a trade chip but its not like the yankees are gonna overpay for him…
Joe D
December 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
What about this guy I heard we picked up last week, Geoffrey Sarnataro?? Isn’t he a LF?
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he is a rf
Cards should just give Pujols minority ownership of the team and call it a day.
2011 lineup if we sign Holliday.
Jeter (SS)
Cano (2B)
Tex (1B)
Arod (3B)
Holliday (LF)
Montero (C/DH)
Posada (C/DH)
Granderson (CF)
Swisher (RF).
No major position player moves would be required (other than re-signing Jeter) next off-season and full attention could be given to Cliff Lee or Beckett or whatever pitcher they fancy at the time. Just a thought.
We’re the New York freakin Yankees… coming off a World Championship and reeled in over $100 million dollars of revenue ahead of all projections… in a recession no less.
And for left field, we’re talking about some combination of Brett Gardner, Some guy named Hoffman, and Reed Johnson?
We’re the New York Yankees, folks. Not the KC Royals. Let’s stop the insanity. We need to shop at Nordstram, not the Salivation Army.
Roger(live from Amsterdam)
December 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Chad,you had a delay in Detroit?Why..another Dutch hero who saved a plane over there??
Much respect and big thanks to your countryman on nw flight.
Others on plane remarked how he jump over them, from rows behind, to get to the bomber.
Dude literally leapt into action.
CB
December 28th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Brett,
Prince can rake but his value is entirely different if he’s a DH or if he’s a 1b.
The brewers are going to value him as a 1b. In the free agent market Prince and Boras will value him as a 1b.
If you pay the freight for what he costs as a 1b and he turns out really to be a DH then that’s the set up to making a very bad deal.
This isn’t a guy who you are going to acquire by signing for 1.25M the way the sox got Ortiz.
Moving forward,tThe Sox need a power hitting corner infielder more than they need a DH. DH’s are just much easier to find.
And Prince really is bad defensively.
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I see your point, but still think his presence in their lineup would help them in their attempts to replicate the magic they had when the middle of their order was anchored by Ortiz and Manny. Fielder stinks in the field. Agreed. But he’s got a special bat and is quite young for an established slugger.
There’s always Gary Sheffield!!!!
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Certainly 10x better than Gardner and Reed Johnson.
I love Cash so much and I trust him. But he can’t be serious about Gardner in CF.
Gary Sheffield?
I would rather have Gary Coleman.
What about this guy I heard we picked up last week, Geoffrey Sarnataro?? Isn’t he a LF?
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he is a rf
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He’s an accountant the Yankees signed to give the Yankees an idea of what it would cost the Yankees to sign a LF’er like Holliday and how much revenue he’d generate. He said he doesn’t even like baseball. Geez give it up already!!
blake, with that lineup we could finally achieve the Thousand Year Reich.
I mean, the 1,000 run season!
Looking for a no. 9 hitter,what is Gardener?
Nick, one move can make it happen and that move is at a wholesale price…otherwise we will be having this same discussion next year and possibly the year after that and the year after that….
Blake, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t have any faith in Gardner as a starter and eventually the Yankees would have to make a trade out of desperation.
“I see your point, but still think his presence in their lineup would help them in their attempts to replicate the magic they had when the middle of their order was anchored by Ortiz and Manny.”
That’s fools gold. The chances of them ever putting together that magic again are infinitesimal. That as a once in a lifetime situation.
It’s simply not a sustainable strategy to try to replicate. That was one of the greatest 3-4 combinations in history – and one was left handed and the other right handed and neither showed any platoon splits of significance.
Manny alone was one of the most gifted hitters to ever play the game. They could go a generation and never find a bat like that.
That’s not a model – that a happenstance.
Cash just needs to be creative. There are plenty of cheap options on the trade market that are a million times better than Reed Johnson or Gardner.
Baltimore and Colorado are loaded with OF’ers. Connor Jackson is still out there. Braves have extra OF’ers, as do the Oakland A’s.
Cash really needs to be looking at the trade market if he doesn’t want Holliday. There is no one left on the FA market who is worth it.
What about a Gardner/Costanza platoon?
lol. Did Berman just ask Ditka if he and McMahon ever had any problems?
That’s fools gold. The chances of them ever putting together that magic again are infinitesimal. That as a once in a lifetime situation.
It’s simply not a sustainable strategy to try to replicate. That was one of the greatest 3-4 combinations in history – and one was left handed and the other right handed and neither showed any platoon splits of significance.
Manny alone was one of the most gifted hitters to ever play the game. They could go a generation and never find a bat like that.
That’s not a model – that a happenstance.
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Well, given their pursuit of sluggers like Adrian Gonzalez, they seem to be on a quest to fill some kind of void in those 3/4 spots.
Youkilis, Fielder isn’t the same as Manny/Ortiz in their heyday but it definitely makes the middle of their order one of the best if not the best in baseball right now.
One thing you have to remember about Prince, 30 year olds don’t carry that spare tire quite as well as 25 year olds.. Remember a guy named Cecil Fielder, he started to slow down at 32 and was done by 33. That weight gets harder to carry the older you get..
Sheffield was a main reason the team had no chemistry. He is so jealous of Jeter’s success! Pass
after a computer issue my old handle was loaded and the 6:52 comment was mine. Don’t want to be confused with my imposter.
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
What about this guy I heard we picked up last week, Geoffrey Sarnataro?? Isn’t he a LF?
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he is a rf
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He’s an accountant the Yankees signed to give the Yankees an idea of what it would cost the Yankees to sign a LF’er like Holliday and how much revenue he’d generate. He said he doesn’t even like baseball. Geez give it up already!!
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Trader, take a look at the resume of our new left fielder. More of a question and answer. about 4 names down.
http://www.newspusher.com/EN/p.....fairs.html
Baltimore is not trading with the Yankees – Angelos detests George. I’m not down for any trades – our farm system has been depleted enough as it is.
the price for holliday is perfect
his value is way more than what he will get paid according to what i read involving war stats
the problem is it looks like cash was told to keep payroll under 200 million because i believe we are around 197 million so that leaves only a few million to get a backup lf
huge mistake
are we going to sign crawford,werth,etc next year?
not sure but i doubt we can get an o.f. next year at fair market value or below like we can with holliday now not too mention holliday balances this lineup perfectly & makes us insanely good
winning made us the powerhouse we are today & we made a ton of money advancing throughout the postseason
the boss would of signed him by now if he was in charge
we did what it took last year to put us over the top & imo we are stopping short of doing so again
Everybody thought that Cody Ransom/Pena could fill in fine for A-Rod and we’d survive because we were still stacked with offense (Damon, Jeter, Tex, Matsui, Cano, Swisher, Posada, etc.) and we could get away with speed/defense from the 9th spot for a month or so.
How did that work out? We were counting the days till Ransom was gone. Never concede an automatic out in an AL lineup. And that is what Gardner is– an automatic out. Reed Johnson will play roughly 30% of the time when a lefty is on the mound, and only for 2-3 ABs. In the late innings, teams will just bring in a righty to shut him down. Gardner can’t hit, so he isin’t a threat off the bench either.
Cash is going to regret not shoring up the LF position if he goes to camp with this silly platoon. With the resources we have, there is no reason to have an automatic out in the lineup.
Prince is gonna have a shortish career.
“If you don’t condition yourself in the offseason, you’re liable to pull something when they count.”
as you once told me Rickles, there is no off-season in our circuit. Gotta stay sharp.
“Gary Sheffield?
I would rather have Gary Coleman”
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Coleman would probably manage a pretty decent OBP.
A Dutch customs officer once asked me if I was bringing any drugs INTO The Netherlands.
Unfortunately this was after an overnight flight from NY and I didn’t really have my A-game going so the best I could do was spit out a routine denial.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....y-lef.html
“We need to shop at Nordstram, not the Salivation Army.”
Some spelling errors/ typos are just better than others.
Gardner is an excellent defender (if you don’t believe your eyes you can check out his UZR stats), and if you look into his numbers he has always been a productive hitter at every level (apart from his ‘08 big league #s
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No you’ve got it all backwards; I don’t trust UZR stats & I do trust my eyes- if you describe him as an average defender, you’re being kind
No, with exception of about a 4 week period, he was not a productive player in 2009 either.
“Baltimore is not trading with the Yankees – Angelos detests George. I’m not down for any trades – our farm system has been depleted enough as it is.”
They traded us Chris Britton just 2 years ago. McPhale also has full control. I doubt they are going to care about giving us a spare outfielder that they don’t need. It isin’t like they are giving us Markakis.
If Cash doesn’t go the trade route, there is nothing available that is an upgrade over Gardner— unless he signs a DH to play left (Vlad, Dye, etc.).
Heyman says DeRosa and Giants have agreed and he took a physical today.
Penny wise, pound foolish with the budget……they’ve got a fixation on $200 million.
DT – OPPC member
December 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
“If you don’t condition yourself in the offseason, you’re liable to pull something when they count.”
as you once told me Rickles, there is no off-season in our circuit. Gotta stay sharp.
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Where have you been lately stranger?
Somebody who calculates these kinda things give me an estimate of the 2011 payroll if the Yankees re-sign Jeter and Rivera, sign Crawford, and sign a pitcher like Cliff Lee….My guess is that it would be way over 200 million dollars…
blake
December 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
One thing you have to remember about Prince, 30 year olds don’t carry that spare tire quite as well as 25 year olds.. Remember a guy named Cecil Fielder, he started to slow down at 32 and was done by 33. That weight gets harder to carry the older you get..
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Oh I agree, he’s a tremendous long term risk that only a large market team can afford to take…but so was CC. Gotta pick and choose your battles.
Why do people like low OBP guys like Nady, DeRosa, Hairston, etc?
Mike, they just can’t dip into the farm system. They’re totally barren at the upper levels except for Montero and Romine and I doubt they’d trade a top young arm after they already traded Vizcaino.
I’m not inclined to trade anything of value to Baltimore as they are going to be good in a couple of years.
“Penny wise, pound foolish with the budget……they’ve got a fixation on $200 million”
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this has been the case since have been a fan. (1998)
Betsy,
gotta link to where Cash or Hal says the number is 200M?
“Where have you been lately stranger?”
I’ve been busy. Someone has to keep moving the ciggies from place to place so GB can’t find them. It’s a tireless job.
“the boss would of signed him by now if he was in charge”
He also would have continued meddling in personnel moves, would have continued splitting the organization into a “tampa faction” and a “new york factions,” forced them to trade for Santana, not allowed them to rebuild the farm system and would have started a huge media war with ARod after his post season disappointments prior to 2009.
In short, many of the central factors that drove them to win in 2009 would have been systematically less like with George because the 2009 team took patience to assemble.
Hal is doing a phenomenal job as an owner. They may decide to pass on Holliday but given what the leadership of the club has done over the past 3 years, it’s very tough to pine for the days of the boss.
You have to believe this budget thing is just for show—- to let other teams know that we don’t need to spend the most money and to let future agents know that they better not try to squeeze every last penny from us. This is about changing their image more than anything else.
Otherwise, spending a few extra million, in a year where they made hundreds of millions in extra revenue, to secure a good player should not be an issue at all. They are holding their ground to prove a point, not because they will collapse if they go over budget.
But they better enjoy Gardner in CF, then. Whoever hits #8 is never going to get anything to hit…. the circular lineup is no more with him and his platoon mate in there…
(the penny-wise, pound-foolish part)
If JV pitches well, I see no reason to splurge on some monster contract for Cliff Lee……
DT – OPPC member
December 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
“Where have you been lately stranger?”
I’ve been busy. Someone has to keep moving the ciggies from place to place so GB can’t find them. It’s a tireless job.
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You missed one. I jelly-legged and had one last night.
3 reasons that we don’t know what the budget is:
1. Cashman has said that the payroll would be less than last year but he also neglected to say what that number was.
2. Hal has said that the payroll could be stretched for the right player.
3. Cashman lies to the media. (over and over again and yet they still hang on his every word).
Gary Sheffield?
I would rather have Gary Coleman.
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Id rather sign Gary Pettis.
Players that will never be Yankees
Manny
Beckett
Schilling
Pedro
Elf
Ugly
Puckerblows
Veritek
Did i miss anyone?
Crow
December 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
You have to believe this budget thing is just for show—- to let other teams know that we don’t need to spend the most money and to let future agents know that they better not try to squeeze every last penny from us. This is about changing their image more than anything else.
Otherwise, spending a few extra million, in a year where they made hundreds of millions in extra revenue, to secure a good player should not be an issue at all. They are holding their ground to prove a point, not because they will collapse if they go over budget.
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I too am convinced that all the budget paranoia is just posturing and meant to set precedents.
Phil, no but I believe where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, I don’t believe that just because Cash swooped in on Tex that he’s going to swoop in on Holliday. Every single source, without exception, has mentioned that the Yankees are basically done spending. Maybe I’m wrong in assuming it’s $200 million, but whatever the actual figure, I believe the Yankees are basically done.
CB is right…..George would have signed Holliday, sure. The old George, however, would have traded Joba, Phil and Montero for Halladay.
if ugly = Youk
then that may cover it
There is no offseason, but there is a silly season. Sort of like golf.
Erica, you wanna do another $25 on Damon coming back? Christmas gifting adds up. I’ll take the negative position on the bet.
You can forget Derosa. From MLB-Rumors-R-Us
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Giants, Mark DeRosa Reach Agreement
By Tim Dierkes [December 28 at 6:17pm CST]
6:17pm: The Giants and Mark DeRosa are in agreement on a two-year deal believed to be worth $12MM, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman.
Heyman adds that an agreement with Juan Uribe could be forthcoming as well. Earlier this week we heard that the two sides were close to a one-year deal with a team option for 2011.”
Nordstrom to Salvation Army? More like Nordstrom to the dollar store. Money grows on trees for the Yankees. Lets just look under the couch cushions for the money it would cost to have our team set for at least 5 years. Is that too much to ask. Its like buying a tuxedo for a party and showing up with tennis shoes,no bo tie.
“3 reasons that we don’t know what the budget is:
1. Cashman has said that the payroll would be less than last year but he also neglected to say what that number was.
2. Hal has said that the payroll could be stretched for the right player.
3. Cashman lies to the media. (over and over again and yet they still hang on his every word).”
I’ve been saying the same thing for a good while now.
vinny,
I meant to say Fugly(youk)but didnt think it would get through the filters.
There’s a huge difference between accusing Cashman of lying and him being smart enough not to put out any information that would take away his bargaining power with players/agent, or, other teams.
Betsy,
Swisher at first for 09. Nuff said. I still think Stealth is playing possum. Holliday will be in stripes.
“Somebody who calculates these kinda things give me an estimate of the 2011 payroll if the Yankees re-sign Jeter and Rivera, sign Crawford, and sign a pitcher like Cliff Lee….My guess is that it would be way over 200 million dollars…”
If you figure our payroll now is right at $200 million. Subtract $24 million for Andy and Javy. That is $176. Figure $15 million for Crawford. That is $191. Figure $18 million for Lee… that is $209.
Assume that Jeter/MO get the same money as this year, just extended for however many years. Factor in arbitration raises for guys like Joba, Hughes, Gardner, Robertson, etc.
We still need to see what the arbitration numbers of Mitre/Gaudin are. Add that to this years payroll and subtract it from next years (though I have a feeling both will be traded before the season anyway to save $$$).
Plus if we sign Reed Johnson or whoever, add that couple mil this year and subtract it from next year.
Pretty hard to calculate the payroll without knowing the exact arbitration figures. Definitely over $200 though. Probably between 2 and 210.
$12M for DeRosa is way too much. Good luck in San Fran, Mark.
GB7, ok I shouldn’t have used the word lie. What you said is what I meant, I’m just not that eloquent.
lol, SoS
maybe nom@@s stated it best: Kevin Youkilis looks like a gay Jack-in-the-box
Nick in SF
December 28th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
There is no offseason, but there is a silly season. Sort of like golf.
Erica, you wanna do another $25 on Damon coming back? Christmas gifting adds up. I’ll take the negative position on the bet.
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I will take your $25 on the pinstriped return of Johnny Damon
Giving Vasquez a contract based off what he does in a contract year is just asking for trouble.
The guy is going to be 35 next year, has never been consistent in his career or in the AL, and will want a multiyear deal. I wouldn’t want to be the team who signs him. His AL ERA is close to 5. And he is going to be 35 when his next contract starts. This would be a George-type move. Paying a guy for one good year, ignoring his history, and paying him past his prime.
A good contract year shouldn’t sway anyone. We should thank our lucky stars, take the 2 draft picks, and sign Lee who is younger, 10x better, proved he can handle the big stage and the AL, and will age well considering he is not a fireballer,
Woo hoo!
Or double ouch if I lose ‘em both.
A split would be anti-climactic.
CB
December 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
“the boss would of signed him by now if he was in charge”
He also would have continued meddling in personnel moves, would have continued splitting the organization into a “tampa faction” and a “new york factions,” forced them to trade for Santana, not allowed them to rebuild the farm system and would have started a huge media war with ARod after his post season disappointments prior to 2009.
In short, many of the central factors that drove them to win in 2009 would have been systematically less like with George because the 2009 team took patience to assemble.
Hal is doing a phenomenal job as an owner. They may decide to pass on Holliday but given what the leadership of the club has done over the past 3 years, it’s very tough to pine for the days of the
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i don’t totally agree
what about the dynasty years in the 90′s
something was done right no???
and too think we almost won 1 or 2 more that would of made it even more remarkable
the boss was in control for every year except the last how many?
1 or 2 ??
something was done right & we do not know he would of traded joba & hughes or montero
i doubt we are where we are without him
“There’s a huge difference between accusing Cashman of lying and him being smart enough not to put out any information that would take away his bargaining power with players/agent, or, other teams.”
No, he lies, but I’m fine with that because of what you stated.
Lee will cost more than Javy because he is a much better pitcher, younger, and a proven commodity. You get what you pay for.
Remember, Cashman tried to get Lee on 2 separate occasions as well. He was the first guy we tried to get this year before we moved on to Plan B in Vasquez. You figure he is on Cashman’s radar. He did allude to the 2010 impressive FA class, obviously his eye is on someone.
slow day here on the hud
“There is no offseason, but there is a silly season. Sort of like golf.”
There are no mulligans in the Catskills. Just hecklers.
Speaking of golf –
Why did Tiger crash into a fire hydrant AND a tree?
He couldn’t decide between a wood and an iron.
bada boom.
Trader, take a look at the resume of our new left fielder. More of a question and answer. about 4 names down.
http://www.newspusher.com/EN/p…..fairs.html
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GB7-
Just got back from dinner. LMAO at that one. I think Sarnatero got a job with the “Salivation” Army!!!!
It’s no accident that Cashman wears flame-retardent trousers.
And the Boss was suspended from baseball while Stick put together the foundation of the Dynasty years, no?
Eroc
jv will be 34 in june
he is 33 1/2 now
If he does lie. Can we put them in the white lie category?
“i don’t totally agree
what about the dynasty years in the 90’s
something was done right no???
and too think we almost won 1 or 2 more that would of made it even more remarkable
the boss was in control for every year except the last how many?
1 or 2 ??
something was done right & we do not know he would of traded joba & hughes or montero
i doubt we are where we are without him”
If the Boss wasn’t suspended during those years in the 90s, those WS championships later that decade might not have happened because he would’ve traded away key components of those champsionship teams. Also, let’s remember that the Boss wasn’t too keen in starting Jeter at SS in 1996 and had to be convinced otherwise. The Boss wasn’t a personnel guy even though the fancy himself as one.
it is reaching the level, that if Cashman can’t lie, it might be like Jim Carey/Liar Liar
Kevlar December 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
We’re the New York freakin Yankees… coming off a World Championship and reeled in over $100 million dollars of revenue ahead of all projections… in a recession no less.
And for left field, we’re talking about some combination of Brett Gardner, Some guy named Hoffman, and Reed Johnson?
We’re the New York Yankees, folks. Not the KC Royals. Let’s stop the insanity. We need to shop at Nordstram, not the Salivation Army.
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post of the year, especially the last sentence LOL
“Sarnatero”
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every time i see this name, it make me hungry for slice of stuffed pizza
Cash is like the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. A single word from him can inflate or deflate the market. That’s why he has to be cagey about what he says. He wants the market depressed now.
Whichever team decides to give Vazquez the long term deal at age 35 is going to regret it. He is not the type of pitcher you allot big money to. If he wants to get paid like a #4-5 starter/innings eater, fine. But I suspect he values himself more than that and some dumb team probably will too.
“Cash is like the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. A single word from him can inflate or deflate the market. That’s why he has to be cagey about what he says. He wants the market depressed now.”
There you go. He knows he needs another outfielder that is a proven ML hitter, but he’s buying his time until he can get such a player at the lowest possible price.
The Giants are buying everything. They’re not leaving anything for the Yankees. Now, they’ve bought Bobby Howry. MLB needs to put a stop to this. They’re ruining baseball.
crawdaddy
December 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
“i don’t totally agree
what about the dynasty years in the 90’s
something was done right no???
and too think we almost won 1 or 2 more that would of made it even more remarkable
the boss was in control for every year except the last how many?
1 or 2 ??
something was done right & we do not know he would of traded joba & hughes or montero
i doubt we are where we are without him”
If the Boss wasn’t suspended during those years in the 90s, those WS championships later that decade might not have happened because he would’ve traded away key components of those champsionship teams. Also, let’s remember that the Boss wasn’t too keen in starting Jeter at SS in 1996 and had to be convinced otherwise. The Boss wasn’t a personnel guy even though the fancy himself as one.
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maybe
i don’t know what he did or didn’t do but i get the impression he backed of a lot more in his later years
i might be wrong but one thing i do know is he was not affraid to spend
DeRosa has been an extremely versatile player, but he is a poor defensive outfielder.
On top of that, he’s 35, coming off of injury and a poor second-half at the plate in 2009.
Any analysis would have to show that his chances of being better in 2010, playing in the AL, are not so good.
Reed Johnson would be a much better choice. So would Marlon Byrd. I don’t know why they’ve rejected Dye as a choice, but I’m sure they have their reasons. Rick Ankiel could handle things defensively, but is a big question mark at the plate. He showed great promise in 2008, but was terrible in 2009. Can Hank Blalock play the outfield?????????
bru,
He will be 35 during the first year of his next contract.
This year, he is great value. I wasn’t arguing that… he just isin’t the type of pitcher that should get a long term commitment considering his inconsistent history. Especially when Lee is available.
Besides the 2010 seasonal benefits for the Yankees, we want Javy Vazquez to have a great 2010 season because it guarantees that we get two draft choices for him because he won’t accept arbitration. With that said, I’ll go with the lefty Lee for 2011 and beyond.
crawdaddy
December 28th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“There’s a huge difference between accusing Cashman of lying and him being smart enough not to put out any information that would take away his bargaining power with players/agent, or, other teams.”
No, he lies, but I’m fine with that because of what you stated.
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I consider it as calling an audible at the line.
The Giants are buying everything. They’re not leaving anything for the Yankees. Now, they’ve bought Bobby Howry. MLB needs to put a stop to this. They’re ruining baseball.
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Lies. Lies. Lies
Bobby Howry was signed by the Diamondbacks. Sarnatero was released by the Giants to make room for DeRosa!
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And again NO SMOKING!!!
“Sarnatero”
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every time i see this name, it make me hungry for slice of stuffed pizza
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lmao. Sbarro vinny. Damn all of a sudden im freakin hungry for some Sarna- i mean Subaru’s.
“maybe
i don’t know what he did or didn’t do but i get the impression he backed of a lot more in his later years
i might be wrong but one thing i do know is he was not affraid to spend”
I’ve been going to Yankee games long before the Boss bought them so I’ve been there from the beginning and though I think he’s one of the best owners in sports, he could’ve been a better owner with a little more patience and trust in his baseball people. Anyhow, you need to listen to some Stick Michael interviews so that you could understand what went down prior to 1996.
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Trader, take a look at the resume of our new left fielder. More of a question and answer. about 4 names down.
http://www.newspusher.com/EN/p…..fairs.html
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GB7-
Just got back from dinner. LMAO at that one. I think Sarnatero got a job with the “Salivation” Army!!!!
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I thought that you’d enjoy that one. Especially this part:
SARNATARO: “I just want to get out there to sell myself, every opportunity i have to look for a job i attend these job fairs “
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
The Giants are buying everything. They’re not leaving anything for the Yankees. Now, they’ve bought Bobby Howry. MLB needs to put a stop to this. They’re ruining baseball.
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Lies. Lies. Lies
Bobby Howry was signed by the Diamondbacks. Sarnatero was released by the Giants to make room for DeRosa!
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And again NO SMOKING!!!
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If I could just find those candy cigarettes that they sold when we were kids, I might survive.
“Besides the 2010 seasonal benefits for the Yankees, we want Javy Vazquez to have a great 2010 season because it guarantees that we get two draft choices for him because he won’t accept arbitration. With that said, I’ll go with the lefty Lee for 2011 and beyond.”
agree 100%. get the 2 picks, sign the better pitcher in lee
Nick in SF
December 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Woo hoo!
Or double ouch if I lose ‘em both.
A split would be anti-climactic.
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No worries. I think you’ll be paying me $50
D-Train
December 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
So frustrating seeing Holliday just sitting out there… only one offer after 2 months (well 2, if you count Boston’s, but that is no longer on the table). A guy who was projected to get $150-$160 million is only being offered 1\2 that.
He fits a position of need and is better than anything that is on the market in the next 2 off-seasons. Makes so much sense.
It is like seeing the carrot dangled in front of the rabbit….
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And there lies the problem. Boras knows it is a perfect fit and as long as St Louis leaves the offer on the table then there is no rush to move. Holliday has a bird in the hand and is waiting for 2 in the bush. No puns intended.
Unless Hal steps in then we will go cheap.
It all on the baby Steinbrenner taking the onus off of Cash’s statements.
One thing I don’t quite get from all the Holliday lovers out there is how certain they are that this guys is a sure thing…
The dude put up big numbers @ Coors field which it obviously helped out a lot.
Then he absolutely stunk in Oakland compared to he previous production.
Then he did well again with Albert hitting in front of him.
I don’t trust him. And that is even if we DID have the money free to sign him…which we don’t.
george was suspended from running the yankees from 1990-93 basically for meddling (hiring howie spira to ‘get dirt’ on dave winfield) and in his absense, gene michael drafted and developed some great talent. when geore was reinstated, he had to be on his best behavior and he let stick continue making the personell decisions.
stick kept pettitte, bernie, mo and jeter and traded guys like roberto kelly and mike blowers for paul oniell, and tino martinez and a dynasty was born (remember in the end of the ’80s the yankees were probably the worst team in baseball.
so you can give george credit for picking the right man for the job and for staying the hell out of the way after his suspension, but dont make the mistake of believing the dynasty was built ‘george’s way’ because it was not. it was built gene michael’s way.
crawdaddy December 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Besides the 2010 seasonal benefits for the Yankees, we want Javy Vazquez to have a great 2010 season because it guarantees that we get two draft choices for him because he won’t accept arbitration. With that said, I’ll go with the lefty Lee for 2011 and beyond.
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Absolutely… this is the smart move, rather than giving an inconsistent Vazquez big money.
Just got my DVD (the Yankeeography one). The bonus features are fantastic, but it’s very disappointing that for Alex’s return HR in Baltimore and for the game in Tampa where he got 7 RBIs to hit 30/100, they used non-Yankee announcers (Gary Cohn in Baltimore and Rays announcers in Tampa)
The other features looke great: Jeter’s tying Gehrig, Melky’s cycle, Gardner’s inside-the-park HR, at home with CC, Mo’s 500th save, the Camp Sundown feature, etc…
The bleacher report calculates the monies left for the sawx to reach the CBT, AND THEY HAVE LESS THAN 5MM to spend, before reaching the 170mm threshold 165,140mm Will they go over….?
GreenBeret7
December 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
jvcelt
December 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
it will be an ‘11th-hr’ deal, damon for 2 yrs. feeling warm and fuzzy on this.
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Maybe that “warm, fuzzy feeling” was from when you wizzed on your wool blanket.
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I believe it is now called a “Snuggie”
Is this old news, but DeRosa and the Giants reached a two-year deal.
One less possibility for MPB Johnny Damon……
George Steinbrenner made a lot of bad decisions back in the day (Buhner for Phelps, Steve Trout, Ed Whitson, Billy, Howard Spira, etc.), but say this about him…..he always cared and wanted to win. Many owners don’t.
I think things would get super interesting if the Cards gave up on Boras/Holliday and looked elsewhere.
Things would get REALLY interesting.
How about Juan Mirada playing in left field in 2010. Miranda lost his role as a DH since the arrival of Nick Johnson. Miranda has power and is economically cheap.
Just played a fun game that Santa brought the kids for Christmas.
It’s called “In a Pickle”.
I especially recommend it for Nick in SF since he not only is the ultimate parser of words, he always has to have the last one!
DeRosa can play 3rd, moving Sandoval to 1st.
The only NL teams that might be looking for a LF are the Diamondbacks, Mets and Giants.
I suppose the White Sox, Royals and A’s might be looking for a DH, but doubt they’ll sign Damon for more than Matsui got.
Damon might very well be the Abreu deal of 2009-5 million-but that’s to play in the field.
Francis Isberto
December 28th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
How about Juan Mirada playing in left field in 2010. Miranda lost his role as a DH since the arrival of Nick Johnson. Miranda has power and is economically cheap.
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And defensively bankrupt. He’s never played an inning of the outfield in his pro career.
All because I misspelled some Japanese word for folding doilies.
YT,
The Angels did sign Abreu to play the field. He took Vlad’s spot. I think VG played 2 games in the field this past season.
Nick in SF
December 28th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
All because I misspelled some Japanese word for folding doilies.
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Playing with doilies makes you look girly
One more thing, it was Bob Watson that made the Tino Martinez/Jeff Nelson trade not Stick Michael. Watson was appointed Yankee GM in October of 1995 and made that trade in December of the same year. Watson also signed Mariano Duncan, Rock Raines and Gooden as free agents while trading Ruben Sierra for Cecil Fielder.
GB7
That brings up a question I’ve raised before. Is there a free agent infielder or catcher that could play the OF-left field, that we could look into? Even Yogi, Larry, Berra played left field in YS and did a pretty good job.
doily
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
doily
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Thank you for adding to that conversation!
I’ve always liked Derosa if we could get him at a reasonable price. He’s not a stud left fielder, but he’s got a decent bat (20+ HR’s the past two seasons) and he can play almost any position besides catcher and pitcher. Let him get the majority of days in LF and give the rest to Gardner while swapping him around to give other guys the day off. He’s not spectacular defensively but he’s also not any more a liability than Johnny Damon was and he should come much cheaper than Damon. My only concern would be his wrist effecting his power numbers.
m-
Yes I know Abreu was signed at 5 million to play the OF. That’s why I think Damon will be lucky to get a one year offer for 4-5 million!!
We traded a PTBNL minor leaguer for Raines.
Marc-
The only way DeRosa is an option for the Yankees now, is if he fails his physical with the Giants-and then he won’t be much of an option for anyone.
lol, Nick.
Japanese is spelled exactly like it sounds. So chances are if you’re spelling it wrong, you’re saying it wrong, too. Do the waitresses at your favorite Japanese restaurants politely raise their eyebrows when you’re ordering?
Thank you for adding to that conversation!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Yes I’m starting that already
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Thank you for adding to that conversation!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Yes I’m starting that already
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Its okay. I started it myself about 10 minutes ago in an e-mail to a friend. Consider it reciprocated since I am going away on Wednesday and will be computerless for a few days. Sadly, I will be missing out on the LoHud New Years Eve festivities
YT,
Oh! Gotcha! Well, Damon as a DH wouldn’t fetch as much as Damon as a DH. Damon may play the field, but he doesn’t have the power numbers. 7 road HR.
doily
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/doily
“We traded a PTBNL minor leaguer for Raines.”
You’re right, but it was still Watson that made that trade on this vary day back in 1995.
Don’t be surprised if the Cards look at Tampa’s Pat Burrell
thats the buzz at the St Louis Globe-Democrat
http://www.globe-democrat.com/.....at-burell/
His stats don’t impress, but if they want him behind Pujols
so be it!
roads
ro ads
Erica,
If you are not back Sunday evening make sure you set your DVR. The muppets are going to help do the repairs on Extreme Homemakeover or whatever it is called on ABC.
I would give Watson the credit for signing Kenny Rogers, but we know how that turned out.:)
err, meant to say that Damon as a DH won’t fetch as much as Hideki.
Yankee Trader
December 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
GB7
That brings up a question I’ve raised before. Is there a free agent infielder or catcher that could play the OF-left field, that we could look into? Even Yogi, Larry, Berra played left field in YS and did a pretty good job.
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Definately, Trader. Pittsburgh’s Ryan Doumit is available in a trade for young talent.
Erica are you going To AC again?
m
December 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
lol, Nick.
Japanese is spelled exactly like it sounds. So chances are if you’re spelling it wrong, you’re saying it wrong, too. Do the waitresses at your favorite Japanese restaurants politely raise their eyebrows when you’re ordering?
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He may not have noticed, Mel. Getting slapped up side the head with a tray has that affect.
so what did Nick do ?
Misspell origami???
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Erica are you going To AC again?
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No silly.. I am going to Vegas
Fran (the original) and OPPC member
December 28th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Erica,
If you are not back Sunday evening make sure you set your DVR. The muppets are going to help do the repairs on Extreme Homemakeover or whatever it is called on ABC.
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Thanks Fran!!!!! DVR SET!
No silly.. I am going to Vegas
BIG TIME.
Of course not. It was just a typo — the ‘i’ and ‘a’ keys on my blackberry are only an inch apart!
And I don’t know why you assune they’re all waitresses; that’s sexist.
I still think Damon will sober up and offer to take a one year deal, although if his defense continues to decline, I would prefer that he doesn’t.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
No silly.. I am going to Vegas
BIG TIME.
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Yes, I have graduated. SO EXCITED!!!!!
Got tickets for the Beatles Love show on New Years Day
Yes, I have graduated. SO EXCITED!!!!!
Got tickets for the Beatles Love show on New Years Day
ROCK STAR
Erica, have a great time at Vegas seeing Bette Midler (
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. ) but please leave $50 at home…in case you need it later.
Rich, I feel the same way…….about Damon’s D, that is. I don’t like a 1 year deal for anyone anyway as we’d just have to go through the same thing next year. The Yankees seem to be laser-focused on next year’s FA which I think is ridiculous. Mauer will likely re-sign and Lee is no guarantee to go FA. In any case, I just do not want to pay this guy $20 million plus for 5 or 6 years. It’s not like signing him would be a guarantee; for all we know, he could prefer Boston or someother location. That’s why they’re not in on Holliday (IMO).
i dont want to see damon in LF. it was painful enough watching him there last year and its not gonna get any better.
I’m not inclined to think nice thoughts about Watson as he clearly still has hard feelings towards the Yankees and it shows in his rulings.
I still think it will be Holliday in left this coming season.
Betsy
I just enjoy the drama…
Does anyone really want to be a RS when they are given other options?
Nick in SF
December 28th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Erica, have a great time at Vegas seeing Bette Midler ( . . . ) but please leave $50 at home…in case you need it later.
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I can’t even tell you how many times I got made fun of this week for seeing Bette Midler on New Years Eve and I don’t even care!!!
I will set aside $50 from my Vegas fund, but I am in full confidence it will be unneeded.
Don’t get too sad yet Mr. Nick. I am not leaving until Wednesday
As to the budget:
I really don’t think Hal or Cash care what anyone says; I’m just not sure they have found the happy medium between spending wildly and being frugal. The Yankees have a need for Holliday – it’s not like they’d have to change the whole team around to fit him in (in other words, he wouldn’t be signed just because he’s a name)
I think the new plan involves finding bargains where they can, not overpaying for players in their 30′s and, still spending market on outstanding individual talents.
If the Yankees sign Holliday, I will order a big, juicy plate of crow
watson wouldnt be the first mlb official holding a grudge against the yankees over how he was let go.
lee macphail once the yankees g.m. and later the a.l. president hated goerge steinbrenner over his treatment and it led to his overturning of tim mcclelland’s correct call that george brett’s home run with an illegal (pine tar covered) bat should be disallowed and brett called out, leavin the yankees to win the game and tie for first place on 7/24/83.
the rules were clear that the bat was illegal but did not specify a penalty and mcclelland by rule had to decide by himself what the penalty should be, so he decided brett was out.
macphail let his george-hatred push him to incorrectly overturn mcclelland and rule that brett’s home run should be allowed and the game replayed from that point and the royals eventually won the game.
If the Cardinals max bid is 5/80 then Holliday will be a Yankee next year.
Betsy
As I have posted before, I think the only real constraint on the budget is the fear giving ammunition to the small revenue owners who want to ram through an even more onerous and confiscatory Yankee tax in the next CBA.
*fear of giving more*
“As I have posted before, I think the only real constraint on the budget is the fear giving ammunition to the small revenue owners who want to ram through an even more onerous and confiscatory Yankee tax in the next CBA.”
They are going to try to do that anyway, might as well take advantage of the rules as they are before they try to change them….
Phil, I totally trust Cash and Hal – they really make an outstanding team. It’s just the budget thing that I’m still coming to grips with especially when it comes to a player they could use (and having come off of a WS). Still, if I trust them, then I can’t very well question them; there’s a method to their madness
Erica -
Have a great time in Las Vegas.
I would never tease you for seeing Bette Midler!
And one of these days I’d love to see the Beatles’ Love.
What a great way to see the New Year in.
We’re going to see Jersey Boys on New Year’s Eve Day. We want to be out of the city before the crazies get in. We’ll just make it. We’re very boring…
Erica, I’m sad just thinking about it… I should have just stayed in Vegas.
blake
Perhaps the direction they take with Holliday will offer an indication on whether or not your take is accurate.
yankray,
true, incontinence is no picnic.
but damon (and his snuggie) will be in lf in april.
Nick in SF
December 28th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Erica, I’m sad just thinking about it… I should have just stayed in Vegas.
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Awwww- too bad. I would have totally bought you a beer!
Doreen
December 28th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Erica -
Have a great time in Las Vegas.
I would never tease you for seeing Bette Midler!
And one of these days I’d love to see the Beatles’ Love.
What a great way to see the New Year in.
We’re going to see Jersey Boys on New Year’s Eve Day. We want to be out of the city before the crazies get in. We’ll just make it. We’re very boring…
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Thanks Doreen-
I am so excited. This is my first time doing any real travel in years. I had a crazy week, but its starting to really hit me now that I am leaving on Wednesday.
Doreen, I saw Jersey Boys when it first came out – I LOVED LOVED it. The guy that played Frankie Vallie (John something Lloyd?) was out of this world. I adore the Four Seasons, so that was a real kick for me – it was like being at a concert
Erica do you even win when you play 18 on Roulette?
All the budget means is they’re gonna be resourceful where they can, as they have been this offseason, but they’re not gonna put it ahead of winning. They can’t really lower the payroll till some of the superstars retire.
Erica do you even win when you play 18 on Roulette?
I meant “ever win”
Betsy -
I can’t wait to go. We have wanted to for quite some time, but always opted for other shows first. We were looking for something to give each other for Christmas and on a whim I looked to see what was available for NYE day and we got lucky. Pretty good seats.
I always loved the Four Seasons, from when I was a little girl. Rag Doll was my first favorite song of theirs. (We’ve had the Jersey Boys CD for a while now – over a year – love it!)
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Erica do you even win when you play 18 on Roulette?
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When I play roulette its usually a $10 table. I’ll put $2 on 19 (my birthday), $2 on a square of 17,18,20,21 (so I cover Johnny, Paulie and Jorge), $2 on a square of 2,3,5,6 (guess which Yankees), $2 on 10 (sister’s b-day) and 13, and then $2 on 26 (championships to date) and 27 (daddy’s b-day).
I also never win. LOL
at least you have a system
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
December 28th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
at least you have a system
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One of these days I’d like to just put it all on red and hope for the best
Doreen, I have too many favorites to name, but did you know that a line from Rag Doll inspired Billy Joe’s Uptown Girl?
Actually, that’s incorrect. Uptown Girl was Joel’s response to Rag Doll…..
Betsy – high on pie
December 28th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Doreen, I have too many favorites to name, but did you know that a line from Rag Doll inspired Billy Joe’s Uptown Girl?
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I thought it was inspired by Christie Brinkley. Didn’t they start dating around the time the song was written?
Always bet on black.
crawdaddy
December 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
“maybe
i don’t know what he did or didn’t do but i get the impression he backed of a lot more in his later years
i might be wrong but one thing i do know is he was not affraid to spend”
I’ve been going to Yankee games long before the Boss bought them so I’ve been there from the beginning and though I think he’s one of the best owners in sports, he could’ve been a better owner with a little more patience and trust in his baseball people. Anyhow, you need to listen to some Stick Michael interviews so that you could understand what went down prior to 1996
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i have been a fan since 77-78
i just forgot a lot of what wen’t on
i am sure i heard it but just forgot a lot
“I thought it was inspired by Christie Brinkley. Didn’t they start dating around the time the song was written”
She’s in the video.
Erica, that’s true, but the song was still an homage to the Four Seasons
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Lauer: [Laughter] Which segues me into the next word association — “Uptown Girl.”
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‘Keeping the Faith’
Dec. 16: Billy Joel performs ‘Keeping the Faith’ as part of the “Toyota Concert Series on Today.”
Today Summer Concerts
Joel: I was thinking of the Four Seasons, Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, and when I was thinking [sings] “Uptown Girl!” I was trying to sing like Frankie Valli. They had a song called “Ragdoll,” which was about a poor girl and a rich guy. So I just flipped it around and made it about a rich girl and a poor guy.
Red is for suckers.
There’s a new post up (I’ll try to remember to do this from now on).
Sign Johnny for 1 year at $6 M with incentives that could bring him to $12.
I have this bad feeling that Holliday is going to Boston.
We do not need an all-star at every position. The Yankees won a World Series with Hank Bauer, Andy Carey ,Joe Collins ,an old Enos Slaughter, Gil McDougald(good players but not exactly superstars in their day), along with superstats Mantle and Berra ,and a fiery ,but not exactly superstar ,Billy Martin. Let the younger players like Brett Gardner try to win a spot !!! The Yankees have enough firepower…
Yes, what the Yankees need is a 24 mil LF, that’s with the 40% surcharge. Or a 120 mil contract. I’m sorry if I think Yankee fans need a reality check. That’s more than 50% of the Marlin’s budget.
The Yanks need to replace Melky cheaply in left and bat 8th or 9th for 6mos to 1 year, nothing more than that.