The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


Expectations for Jamie Hoffmann

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 28, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In the past few days, I have twice written that Reed Johnson (in my opinion) makes some sense for the Yankees because he’s versatile in the outfield, he bats right-handed and his splits are very good against left-handed pitchers. As low-cost options go, Johnson seems to fit.

Some have countered – fairly enough – that Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann is also a versatile outfielder who bats right-handed and has shown good splits against lefties.

True, but I’m not sure that makes a player like Johnson redundant.

You might remember that Hoffmann was a name absolutely no one was talking about until a few minutes before he was announced as the top Rule 5 pick. When the selection was made, we quickly learned that he made a lot of sense for all of the reasons listed above, but the fact is that the Dodgers didn’t think they had room for Hoffmann on the 40-man roster, much less the 25-man roster. He has only 22 big league at-bats and only 72 games of Triple-A experience.

Based on numbers and scouting reports, Hoffmann seems to have plenty of potential. My guess is he’ll make the Yankees out of spring training, and he could eventually work his way into something more than a last option off the bench. But I’m not sure it makes sense for the Yankees to go into spring training counting on him to play a significant role. If Hoffmann produces, that’s a bonus for the Yankees and a job well done by the Yankees pro-scouting department, but it’s hard to enter the season expecting a big contribution. Hoping for it makes sense. Planning on it doesn’t.

 
 

Advertisement

287 Responses to “Expectations for Jamie Hoffmann”

  1. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    It’ll probably be Holliday.

  2. Beedogs December 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Well qa

  3. The Damon-ator December 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    solid points all around. Reed Johnson would be a good move and I’d really like to see Hoffman get a chance to see what he could do.

  4. blake December 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Hoffman, Reed Johnson, ugh….

  5. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    I don’t think it makes sense to add yet another marginal OF.

  6. Benny Blanco December 28th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    By any chance is he related to dustin hoffman??..lol

  7. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 28th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Thanks Chad

    Can your guys put the link to the new thread at the bottom as well as the top?

  8. timo December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Watched Hoffman’s ML ABs on mlb tv archive (May 22 and following). Swing is awkward. Hacks early in count, not walking once in 24 PAs. He does seem to be a good bunter, which shows a good attitude and understanding of his role. There’s a youtube clip of a minor league game where he lays down a suicide squeeze. From all accounts, a fine defender.

  9. saucY December 28th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Let Gardner play.

  10. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    “not walking once in 24 PAs.”

    How many of those PAs were against LHP?

  11. blake December 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Signing Reed Johnson or another mediocre stopgap type guy does assure one thing…that we’ll be having this same conversation again next December…

  12. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    blake

    Or as the trading deadline approaches.

  13. timo December 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Hoffmann had 8 of his 24 ML PAs against lefthanders.

  14. Doreen December 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Betsy -

    From last thread – I didn’t know that “Uptown Girl” was the “flip” to “Ragdoll.” I just always thought it was inspired by his romance with Christie Brinkley. :) Learn somethin’ new every day – sometimes a few new things! :)

  15. FYI December 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    phil – i don’t think your link is working

  16. austinmac December 28th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    I wish it was otherwise, but nothing in Hoffman’s minor league stats suggest he will be successful in the majors. Let’s hope he isn’t kept to justify the trade.

  17. rm December 28th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    I expect the Yanees t give the Dodgers a low level prospect or some cash so they can keep Hoffman and send him up and down to the minors as they please

  18. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Doreen

    I don’t think those purposes are mutually exclusive.

  19. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Yes, what the Yankees need is Holliday a 24 mil LF, that’s with the 40% surcharge. Or a 120 mil contract. I’m sorry if I think Yankee fans need a reality check. The Marlins budget is 40 mil for the year. Reminds me of the Cold War, redundancy overkill. Boring

  20. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    so we are done for the off season?

  21. Nate December 28th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Who, if any, was the last Rule V player to make an impact on the Yankees? I know there have been some great ones, (Clemente, Santana, and to a lesser extent Uggla and Hamilton) but I can’t even think of a recent pick for the Yankees. Also, have the Yankees lost someone of substantial value in the Rule V draft?

  22. Yazman December 28th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I’m rooting for Gardner, but it’s good to read that Hoffman has upside.

    Any links to scouting reports espousing Hoffman’s potential?

  23. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    we have no bench, no LF…and a hole in our chemistry with no damon melky or matsui…swish and cano have to be bummed losing their buddies

  24. neil December 28th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Is Rick Ankiel an option for LF? What about an Ankiel/Johnson or Hoffman platoon. In this case you can trade Gardner to the Cubs for an additional piece maybe like a Guzman or Marmol or Samardzija?

    What about a Valverde sign and trade? I would love him in the 8th inning

  25. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 28th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    After reading the http://www.bostonherald.com about the sawx being contenders by relying on pitching and defense, and admitting Kevin Useless, Pedroia, Martinez is all they have for bats, I won’t complain.

    They admit they don’t have the bats, and Ortiz wasn’t mentioned wow!

  26. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    “Yes, what the Yankees need is Holliday a 24 mil LF, that’s with the 40% surcharge. Or a 120 mil contract. I’m sorry if I think Yankee fans need a reality check. The Marlins budget is 40 mil for the year. Reminds me of the Cold War, redundancy overkill. Boring”

    In the words of Herman Edwards:

    “You play to win the game.”

  27. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    fixed. I had to fix something on my computer earlier, and for some reason when I came back here, my old log-in with the error in the blog link that was from the last time I fixed something was back, instead of my latest log-in details.

  28. RalphieD (OPPC) December 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    “we have no bench, no LF…and a hole in our chemistry with no damon melky or matsui…swish and cano have to be bummed losing their buddies”

    lol…post of the year! only a few more days to top this one

  29. rm December 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Reed Johnson makes a lot of sense. He can platoon with Gardner or occasionally let Granderson or Swisher get some rest. He hits Lefties pretty well. He could get 200-300 ABs and mae a contribtion and we could get a chance to see if Gardner can become a good player or if he is just another fast guy who can’t hit.

  30. Horace Clarke December 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    I’m not sure of his asking price, but i’d be interested in getting a guy like Scott Podsednick to play LF.

  31. Anthony Murillo December 28th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Rich,

    You’re saying we can’t “win the game” with Derek Jeter, Nick Johnson, Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, Curtis Granderson, Robinson Cano, Nick Swisher, CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Javier Vazquez, Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, David Robertson, etc… ?

  32. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Ralphie D
    You like that huh? There’s more where that came from.

  33. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Anthony Murillo

    Not at all. My point is that as long as winning is the goal, what’s wrong with doing everything within the rules in order to win?

  34. blake December 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    The Yankees shouldn’t make decisions based on the Marlin’s payroll.

  35. DT - OPPC member December 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    I think things will turn out okay.

    Tales of Hoffmann has a 100% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/....._hoffmann/

  36. Ian December 28th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Red Johnson and Hoffman ARE redundant— they both bat right handed and they both stink.

    Get some real players in here, Cashman….

  37. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Plus, getting Holliday helps cover the decline of some of the over 35′s as we wait for Montero and the next generation of bats from the org to arrive. Cano, Grandy, and Tex are the crusial parts of that bridge that are currently in place. Swish sort of is, but we could use one more.

  38. CB December 28th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    I wonder how many of the people decrying Holliday as pure excess were livid during the first half of 2009 that the yankees “couldn’t beat boston?”

  39. blake December 28th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    I wouldn’t have a problem with signing a guy like Reed Johnson and platooning him with Gardner if it was a temporary solution with a long term fix on the way. Thats not the case..

  40. george December 28th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    neither makes much sense for the NY Yankees as semi-regulars as compared to a good player, such as, oh, the guy who’s been in left the 4 several years.

    both seem to be bench players on a team that’s really trying to use its available resources.

    well, hopefully Cashman is attempting to use the press the way they used it last year, when pretending no interest in Mr. Teixeira.

  41. haiku-man December 28th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    The fact that the Dodgers said it was thievery on Cashman’s part for claiming Hoffman. I want to see what he can do in ST.

  42. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    CB December 28th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    I wonder how many of the people decrying Holliday as pure excess were livid during the first half of 2009 that the yankees “couldn’t beat boston?”
    =============================================
    needless to say…wait til nj fails to deliver in the clutch…the cries for matsui will be deafening…imagine the same for grandy, the wails for damon and cashmans head…if cano gets off to a slow start, the cries for melky

  43. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    even molina if cervelli looks bad…the bench stunk and we fixed it…Only to have to fix it again?

  44. Jeff Levy December 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Gardner and Podsednik are pretty much the same player, but Gardner is younger. The best we can probably hope from Gardner is that he at least reaches the level of Podsednik.

  45. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    The Yankees have eight (8) starting pitchers for five positions. I thought they were intelligent in trading for Grandy and Vazquez. Good trades taking on salary. But that means that they are, at the least, postponing the development of one potential #1 starter. Swisher, Granderson and Vazquez were salary dumps and smart baseball by the Yankees. But if they sign Holliday, I think that projects to a 100+ win team,then there is nothing to watch until the playoffs.

  46. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    There better not be cries for Molina.

  47. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    maybe this is all about collusion once again.

  48. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    Anthony Murillo

    Not at all. My point is that as long as winning is the goal, what’s wrong with doing everything within the rules in order to win?”

    Rich

    People often misunderstand that sentiment, and turn it into the “We can’t win without all stars at all 9 positions?” question.

    The Yankees have a budget, that’s fine. Understandable. Money does not grow on trees.

    But, if the Yankees did not have a budget, I would love it if we went out and got an All Star in the prime of his career at each position. Why not?

    The haters are always going to hate the Yankees, whether our payroll is 100 million, 200 million, or 400 million.

    The no salary cap actually benefits the 2 NY teams in baseball, the way it screws the NY teams in NBA and NHL.

    Why not take advantage of it?

    The argument that it’s better for baseball if superstars like Pujols or Mauer stay with the Cards or Twins is just wrong.

    Baseball always has been and always will be more popular and successful when the Yankees are winning.

    Why?

    Because there are millions of haters and millions of fans of the Yankees.

    And along with the fans, the haters are not going anywhere, anytime soon.

  49. Nick in SF December 28th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Matt Holliday is the Strategic Defense Initiative and Stinger Missiles to Afghan rebels and cash for Contras all rolled up in one?

    Sweet! Do it!

  50. Jay December 28th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    I’d like to have guys on our bench who can fill in for our starters in case of an emergency and play for an extended period of time if needed.

    That is why a platoon player like Reed Johnson makes little sense. We are signing him exclusively to play vs. lefties, but what if Gardner gets dinged up and is out for a few games and we face all righty pitchers and have to put Johnson out there, who is inept vs. righties? And late in games he starts, when the other team brings in a righty, who do we bring in? Gardner scares no one.

    That is why guys like Hinske and Hairston were great options. They could hit both kinds of pitching. Heck, Girardi had the luxury of sitting the switch-hitter Swisher against Pedro and starting the righty Hairston against him. There were plenty of games where Girardi played Hinske vs. a lefty (vs. Romero and Joe Saunders off the top of my head) too because he could hit them.

    Reed Johnson provides no flexibility. He can only hit lefties, which comprise only about 30% of the league. I don’t trust Gardner against hard throwing righties either. Think he can hit a mid 90s FB from Beckett or Garza?

  51. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    This is ownerships chance to drive and keep salaries down.

  52. blake December 28th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    “But if they sign Holliday, I think that projects to a 100+ win team,then there is nothing to watch until the playoffs.”

    I for one like to watch the Yankees win..

  53. CB December 28th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    The 2008 yankees – the teams so adored by Yankee fans everywhere – were projected to win 96 games and take the division rather easily.

    Their underperformance was handled well by the yankees fan base.

  54. Bandit December 28th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    “even molina if cervelli looks bad…the bench stunk and we fixed it…Only to have to fix it again?”

    Which is why it is puzzling why Cashman dismantled it. Hinske and Hairston were perfect bench players— Hinske especially. It was nice having a guy on the bench who could pop 20 HRs.

    A Reed Johnson/Hoffmann/Pena/Cervelli bench (or substitute Russo for Pena) isin’t very appealing.

  55. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Will Cash look like a hypocrite if he signs Holliday for say 16/5? That is the million dollar question.

  56. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    I love it when we win more than a hundred in a season. It’s delightful.

  57. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    I can see the “budget” used as a ploy but if Cash pulls the trigger he better have a good explanation of creative financing.

  58. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    MLB Hot Stove just counted down the teams of the decade. Ugh -2004 Sox were #1, 2009 Yanks #2……….further down on the list were the 2000 Yankees.

    Harold mentioned that he thought that the 2001 Yankees were better than this team, but I don’t think so. Then again, I admit my memories of 2001 are very hazy.

    Also, I wonder if the Sox were rated #1 because of the comeback. Were they really a better team than this Yankee club?

  59. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Is it possible neither Holliday or Bay will be signed by Opening Day? Or Damon for that matter.

  60. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    I wonder how many of the people decrying Holliday as pure excess were livid during the first half of 2009 that the yankees “couldn’t beat boston?”

    Actually I wasn’t livid at all. I’m a selfish baseball fan, I like competition. The second half of the season was the sweeter because the Yankees were coming on and erasing that Boston advantage. If the Yankee drafting had paid attention to the OF since Jackson we might have had an option in house, besides Gardner.

  61. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    They were rated #1 because they weren’t the Yankees.

  62. James Carl December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Holliday makes so much sense, they will rue the day they let him go— and at the bargain price of 5/$80, no less. Good luck getting a player of his caliber for a deal like that in the future.

  63. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    mick

    the real question is who cares?

    nothing Cash does will look good to the media.

    the media will spin whatever he does as the evil empire this, the evil empire that….

    even though we have only spent 5.5 million on Non-Yankee free agents this offseason, they are continuing to mention our committal of nearly a half billion last offseason, but they use the word “spent” and not “committed” as they should.

  64. blake December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    “Will Cash look like a hypocrite if he signs Holliday for say 16/5? That is the million dollar question.”

    He’s done it before, all he has to say is that things have changed since he made those statements. Its understood that most of the things he says in public are said so as not to give away information.

  65. mick December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Also, I wonder if the Sox were rated #1 because of the comeback. Were they really a better team than this Yankee club?
    =======================================
    Whatever was better theater gets #1.

  66. Eroc December 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    mick,

    Nah, all of them will get scared off around the Superbowl, and sign what they can get.

  67. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    We have to play the Sox opening night and it would be excellent to go to Boston and sweep them.

  68. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    the media will spin whatever he does as the evil empire this, the evil empire that….
    ====================================
    its because it sells. people listen to that bs and ratings go up. it makes them stars and generates advertising dollars. old story. sensation sells.

  69. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    CB, good point. Larry David on Curb Your Enthusiasm used to refer to self-loathing Jews. I think there are plenty of self-loathing Yankee fans (Yankee fans who, for some reason, feel guilty about our success and payroll). The idea is to improve -I’m not going to feel guilty if the Yanks get Holliday. If they get Lee or whomever next year, I won’t feel guily and, if they win, I won’t enjoy it any less. The loser teams that pocket free $$$ from the Yanks, Sox and Phils are the ones who should fee guilty.

  70. Horace Clarke December 28th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    Podsednik hit lefties at a .300 clip last year. Gardner often showed how he was overmatched against lefties when given the chance, albeit they were far fewer than Podsednik’s chances. I would rather go with a more proven commidity like Podsednik than Gardner. I’d rather see Gardner as designated PR and 4/5th OF. But again, i don’t know his asking price.

  71. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    I wish the Yankees wouldn’t go so cheap on the bench; I, too, loved Hairston and Hinske, esp. Hairston. A bench of Cervelli, Pena and Gardner (if he’s not starting) is lousy.

  72. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Larry: “I may hate myself, but it’s not because I’m Jewish.”

  73. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    ahhhh an LD reference…he is a genius. Loved the Pepitone jersey episode.

  74. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Should a restaurant owner that puts more time and money into their restaurant feel bad about having better food than another place that just goes through the motions every year?

  75. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    # Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Larry: “I may hate myself, but it’s not because I’m Jewish.”

    ========================================================
    great line lol.

  76. Seth December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Gardner was overmatched against both kinds of pitching. One hot streak doesn’t mean much. Especially since he only played in small doses, Melky was the starter from middle of April on.

    Any scenario where Gardner is starting (in a platoon or by himself) is a bad one. Get Holliday and end this blackhole.

  77. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Good post, CR9.

  78. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    then again, there are more important things in life than the Yankees.

    I know, i know, that sound sacreligious, but did anyone hear the story of the guy who wanted to blow up the plane…

    the suspect said “there are many more people like him”…. rather scary.

    the guy looks just like Freddy Adu, though.

  79. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Mick, that’s probably true. Joe Magrane said the 2001 M’s should be higher, but I’m sorry – they got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. I can’t give them THAT much respect on that list.

  80. Tank December 28th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    In fact, in an exclusive interview with The Post, Cashman strongly indicated the Yankees will not even sign Sabathia and Teixeira in tandem.

    “At the pricetags I have read, that is fantasy land, not reality land,” Cashman said yesterday of bringing in Sabathia and Teixeira. A Yankees executive said the club has not even created scenarios for assembling a 2009 roster in which it signs the most attractive starter and position player in the free-agent market.

    “There has been speculation that we can pull down two or three of the top [free agents], and people are just getting carried away. That is not feasible. That is completely unrealistic.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0b2ypR9SE

    ———————–

    Read that before you take Cashman’s word as the gospel.

  81. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    they will have to invent a scanner to detect for stuff sewed into your underwear now and they better do it fast

  82. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    The Yankees have to outspend their opponents in order to level the playing field. Even in a recession and a down real estate market, things cost more around here. That’s why most websites ask you to put in your zip code before they give you prices. Plus, the tax burden in NY (I’m not arguing pro or con, just stating a fact) is significant.

  83. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    # Betsy – high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Mick, that’s probably true. Joe Magrane said the 2001 M’s should be higher, but I’m sorry – they got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. I can’t give them THAT much respect on that list.
    ======================================
    It’s not based on winning, it’s about what plays best on TV. It’s show business. We are fans, they are entertainers. We sop up their crap like that biscuit they used to give you at Vincents.

  84. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I haven’t watched Curb in a few years, but I remember one episode where his next door neighbor played Wagner…….lol, yes, and Larry yelled at the guy that he was a self-loathing Jew. It was in one of the early seasons – I would love to see that one again.

  85. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    When Cashman speaks to the media, he is really talking in code to Boras and other agents.

    “some players have priced themselves out of our range” = get real man, nobody is going to pay that…

  86. Jeff Wildfogel December 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Chad, I have been posting similar things on scout.com (big surprise, eh?). Jamie Hoffman may appear to have good AAA numbers, but those numbers were accomplished as a member of the Albuquerque Isotopes, a team that plays in a park a mile high (maybe a bit higher)in a hitter’s league, the PCL.

    Of the 14 Albuquerque players with the most ABs (down to 116 AB), three players had OPS of .999 or higher and Hoffman’s .815 OPS is just 8 points above the median. Looking at BA, two of the 14 Albuquerque players with the most ABs hit over .350, four hit .300 or better, and 9 of the 14 hit higher than Hoffman. Hoffman’s .284 BA was 11 points below the median of these 14 Albuquerque players.

    My conclusion is that there is very little reason to think that Hoffman will do well in the majors in 2010 based on his 2009 numbers in AAA, his only year as high as AAA.

    rm writes that he “expect(s) the Yan(k)ees t(o) give the Dodgers a low level prospect or some cash so they can keep Hoffman and send him up and down to the minors as they please.” While I think that would be a good scenario for the Yankees – and hope it happens – the Dodgers are on record saying that they hoped Hoffman didn’t get taken in the Rule 5 draft but are glad he was taken by a top team like the Yankees, since that increases the chances that Hoffman will be offered back to them. Given that the Dodgers have expressed interest in obtaining Hoffman, I expect that it will take a lot more than a low level prospect or some cash if the Yankees want to keep Hoffman and send him to the minors.

    I not only think the Yanks will sign a right-handed hitting outfielder for the major league team (Reed Johnson seems like a great fit since he hits LHP so well and Granderson doesn’t), but I think they’ll sign at least one right-handed hitting outfielder with major league experience to a minor league contract in case their are injuries or Jamie Hoffman doesn’t stick. Right now, I think recently signed outfielder Javier Herrera is more likely to begin the season in AA (he had just 2 AB in 2009, is coming off shoulder surgery and has never played above AA), which leaves just Jon Weber and Chad Curtis as outfielders for AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Both Weber and Curtis are left-handed hitters without any MLB experience, which leaves the Yanks no right-handed hitting options in the outfield should Hoffman not make the team or there is an injury to Reed Johnson or whoever they sign.

    Also, though less important, SWB would be at a big disadvantage vs LHP if they didn’t sign at least one right-handed hitting outfielder because both Weber and Curtis have poor career splits vs LHP, though I imagine that Kevin Russo or even Reegie Corona could play the outfield vs LHP. Both have played a few games in the outfield in their careers, Russo in 2009, Corona in 2006, and I’d think that the Yanks would want to play them some in the OF to increase their versatility and value, since on the New York Yankees, at least, their most likely role in the near future would be as a utility player,

  87. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Just watched Sherlock Holmes. Very good. Being a Holmes fan I thought that, contrary to several reviews, Holmes’ portrayal was actually quite true to the books and stories. Believe it or not, Holmes is in fact a great fighter according to the Conan Doyle stories. I thought they did an excellent job portraying not only Holmes’ brilliant mind but also his fighting ability.

    I liked Jude Law as Watson too.

  88. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    “The Yankees have to outspend their opponents in order to level the playing field. Even in a recession and a down real estate market, things cost more around here. That’s why most websites ask you to put in your zip code before they give you prices. Plus, the tax burden in NY (I’m not arguing pro or con, just stating a fact) is significant.”

    Exactly, Rich.

    NY is at an inherent disadvantage because of taxes, living costs and so on.

    We have to spend more money to level the playing field.

    The only advantage we have is more money, and the NBA and NHL took that away from NY with the salary caps.

    MLB has tried to minimize that for NY with the revenue sharing and luxury tax.

    It’s a sham.

  89. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    09′ Ynks should’ve been number one on the list. Best story does NOT equal best team.

  90. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    “The Yankees have to outspend their opponents in order to level the playing field. ”

    To some extent that’s factored in but it’s a marginal difference. It doesn’t account for the yankees spending 400% more than the marlins, etc. The cost of living is very expensive in Miami. San Francisco is very close to NY.

    The yankees spending is hardly to level the playing field – it’s to put the best team possible on the field given they’re available resources in order to maximize the probability of the team winning a championship.

    The yankees don’t need to come up with convoluted rational to put the best team possible on the field.

  91. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Betsy

    That was “Trick or Treat.” Larry was whistling Wagner at a the opening of a friend’s movie and was called out by some jerk named Walter, whose daughter, it turned out, had defaced Larry’s house because he refused to give her and her friend candy because he thought they were too old.

  92. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    mick 10:57 pm

    I hope none of them are signed!

  93. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Betsy – high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I haven’t watched Curb in a few years, but I remember one episode where his next door neighbor played Wagner…….lol, yes, and Larry yelled at the guy that he was a self-loathing Jew. It w
    ==========================
    Wasn’t that hte one where that guys daughter gave LD a hard time on Halloween? I dvr the best ones and save em. The chef with turettes was hilarious, the ending was classic, with them all cursing.

  94. Jim December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    CR9,

    If the Knicks ever get LeBron (which is even more of a pipe-dream than us getting Mauer), which the outrage from the “NBA lifers”.

    When the Celtics got KG, everyone was in a state of bliss that one of the NBA flagship franchises was back and excited and talked about how good it was for the NBA that Boston was back and how this was great for KG to get out of MIN and go to a big market team that can win a championship.

    If the Knicks get LeBron, they will talk about how bad it is for the NBA that a small market team can’t keep its star and we’re buying a championship and LeBron made a huge mistake.

    Just look at the outrage about the Jets today. It’s like they are taking it personally that the Colts helped the Jets get a good shot at the playoffs. Nevermind that this stuff happens every year (teams laying down against teams who need to win in the final couple of weeks, Colts did this same thing against the Titans 2 years ago).

  95. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Ynks is Yanks of course. Ugh, I hate typos.

  96. Rich in NJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    CB

    My post was mostly tongue in cheek. :)

  97. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    “NY is at an inherent disadvantage because of taxes, living costs and so on.”

    How did Goldman Sachs ever compete with Wachovia?

  98. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    heres a little SAT drill..

    Bubba Crosby is to Brett Gardner as Johnny Damon is to ……Matt Holliday??

  99. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Larry is usually right and has the courage to fight back. He is really a hero vs all the political correctness these days.

    “Is taht Latte? Oh, coffee with milk, how fantastic.”

  100. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Stupid G-men suffering the worst loss in Giants history, and then the stupid Jets getting enormously lucky. What a horrible week for big blue.

  101. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    All right Rich I’ll give you a mulligan on the cost of living canard!

  102. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t get why just because we swooped in on Tex, it automatically means that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights. I don’t get why just because we swooped in on Tex, it automatically means that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights.

  103. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Betsy-You’re absolute right, it doesn’t mean that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights.

    What it DOES mean is that any player Cash is silent on COULD be in his sights.

  104. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Just look at the outrage about the Jets today. It’s like they are taking it personally that the Colts helped the Jets get a good shot at the playoffs.
    ===================================
    Wait til next week when Carson Palmer sits out the game. They better not blow that game in typical Jet style.

  105. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Again I had no problem with the 2008 season. Many bad contracts were coming to an end. Players got hurt, etc. But Girardi showed initiative, made some mistakes but the BP was reworked and became a strength. CC and Teix were on the horizon. There was a plan. To my mind the team overachieved to win 89 games. Hank had done the last stupid A Rod contract and was history. It was a great season.

  106. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    “I don’t get why just because we swooped in on Tex, it automatically means that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights.”

    It doesn’t, it just means that its possible.

  107. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    The Tex situation was unique – read between the lines and you’ll see that Cash is approaching this completely differently. He’s mentioned a budget, he’s said that a new LF will not be a big name and basically has repeated numerous times that he’s got such and such amount allotted to LF.

  108. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    # Betsy – high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t get why just because we swooped in on Tex, it automatically means that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights. I don’t get why just because we swooped in on Tex, it automatically means that every player Cash is silent on is in his sights.
    =======================================================
    It’s why we are hated. Yankee-envy.

  109. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Sorry for the broken up post, but the filter was eating it when I tried to post it whole

  110. Frank December 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Opening day LF : Geoffrey Sarnataro

  111. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    This filter has the munchies.

  112. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Damon or Holliday is crucial. Too much pressure will be put on Granderson and Johnson if we get off to a bad start.

  113. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    “How did Goldman Sachs ever compete with Wachovia?”

    If that is not comparing apples and oranges…..

  114. akamgkrebs December 28th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Bubba Crosby is to Brett Gardner as Johnny Damon is to ……Matt Holliday??

    Either too little credit to Bubba and/or to much credit to Damon

  115. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    akamgkrebs, i don’t think you get it.

  116. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Holliday makes so much sense, they will rue the day they let him go— and at the bargain price of 5/$80, no less. Good luck getting a player of his caliber for a deal like that in the future.

    In Yankee dollars that translates to 5/112 mil, 40% surcharge.

  117. ogmike December 28th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Both are scrubs, 2 more June DFA candidates.

  118. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Wait till, I want to see Sherlock Holmes, but I just know that I’m going to be ticked off at how they portray Holmes and Irene Adler. In no way did Holmes every have any feelings for her in the canon (she was only in one story). I suppose he admired her because she outwitted him, but it annoys me that they have to suggest a romantic relationship between the two. The only person in Holmes life that he loved was Watson………

  119. MTU December 28th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Blake-
    Sounds to me like you have a severe case of Hollidayitis.

    Me too.

  120. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Jeff, do you post on Pinstripes Plus?

  121. Hank Hal December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    If Cash is serious about his silly little “budget”, I hope he enjoys seeing Brett Gardner pop up weakly, or strike out on 3 95 MPH fastballs from Beckett in a big spot because teams challenge him knowing that he swings like he is swinging a wet newspaper…

    And Swisher/Cano better get used to being pitched around a lot, knowing you have an automatic out in the 9 spot. It is like the pitcher batting… except the pitcher has good speed LOL

  122. mick December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    I still think something is going on with Holliday. It is taking too long.

  123. akamgkrebs December 28th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    blake-
    akamgkrebs, i don’t think you get it.
    ======================================

    I guess not. But Bubba was better than Gardner & Damon isn’t as good as Holliday.

  124. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    MTU, just makes too much sense.

  125. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Yes, Holmes in the movie supposedly had romantic interest in Irene Adler. In the canon this is false. But Holmes’ character is pretty much accuarte in very other way except for a few minor details. I thought they actually did a good job with it.

    For the record, I nver got the impression Holmes was gay. He loved Watson, but more as a brother than anything else.

  126. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Oops, missed that you alread said that you did. The fact that the Dodgers were glad that Hoffman was picked by the Yankees is a good sign – they seem to think he has some potential.

  127. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    akamgkrebs,

    Bubba was the guy the Yankees swore would be their CF’er before they signed Damon in 2004. Gardner is the guy that they are saying they are comfortable with being their LF’er before they sign……fill in the blank.

  128. Jacob Ruppert December 28th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    “NY is at an inherent disadvantage because of taxes, living costs and so on.”

    How did Goldman Sachs ever compete with Wachovia?

    ————————————————–

    CB

    The difference between the two is that there is a far lesser amount of people that can do the jobs the Yankees are hiring for than there are people able to do the job Goldman Sachs requires. Goldman Sachs has the luxury of people applying to them and they get the pick of the litter while the Yankees are forced to actively seek out players to play for them. It is pretty clear that the Yankees have had to overpay in the past for players that would have taken less money to play elsewhere. They asked for and received more money from the Yankees because they knew their skills were limited in the marketplace and they had all the leverage. Goldman Sachs applicants are in the exact opposite position.

  129. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    WHOA, I had tons of typos there. Wow.

    Ah, you know what I meant.

  130. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Wait, oh of course Holmes wasn’t gay. I think Holmes and Watson have the most wonderful friendship in literature and they don’t need to be lovers for that to be the case. I’ll grit my teeth through the Adler scenes and just enjoy everything else. At least it appears they got Holmes/Watson right – if they had messed that up, the movie would be too flawed for me to even consider seeing.

  131. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    It’s really not unusual for Boras clients to drag things out to January.

    Last year it was Manny.

    When ARod signed his mega-contract with Texas it was close to the end of January, IIRC. Beltran was a mid-January deal.

    What’s going on with Holliday in terms of timing isn’t unusual. What is unusual is the lack of activity and interest in him.

  132. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Chuck Brownson of The Hardball Times writes that the Cardinals can afford to be patient with Matt Holliday as long as alternatives remain on the open market. Brownson feels that Mark DeRosa signing with the Giants put a little more pressure on St. Louis.

  133. Jeff Wildfogel December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Jay you write,

    “Reed Johnson provides no flexibility. He can only hit lefties, which comprise only about 30% of the league. I don’t trust Gardner against hard throwing righties either. Think he can hit a mid 90s FB from Beckett or Garza?”

    History says no, but Garnner is 3 for 4 with a walk vs Jonathan Papelbon and 4 for 17 with a double and just one K vs Roy Halladay, so he does hit some hard-throwing right-handers.

    btw, you are right that Hinske hit left-handed pitching well in 2009 – well, more accurately, he hit them with power, .242/.347/.439, 10 for 41, 2 HRs, 2 doubles, 7 BB, 14 K, but that seems to have been an aberration. From 2005-2008, Hinske hit .166/.260/.302 vs left-handed pitching, 34 for 205 with 7 HRs, 7 doubles, 24 BB and 65 K. Based on the stats, I wouldn’t count on him repeating his 2009 season vs left-handers.

  134. Joe X December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Hoffman will ride the bench till needed to face lefties for Granderson which is exactly why they got him. Reed Johnson will replace Melky (not Micky Mantle) and play almost every day in left and bat 8th or 9th. Gardner will be on the bench as the perfect pinch running tool for Girardi to use replacing Jorge if he gets on in the later innings. They’ll then bring in Cervelli resting Jorge and keeping his innings down. If things change by midseason you may see Hoffman and Johnson go and someone like Hairston and Hinski come in.

  135. akamgkrebs December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    blake-

    Bubba was the guy the Yankees swore would be their CF’er before they signed Damon in 2004. Gardner is the guy that they are saying they are comfortable with being their LF’er before they sign……fill in the blank.

    ===================================
    sorry, I would have expressed that as Bubba is to Damon as Gardner is to Holliday. However, they are equivalent statements and I yield.

  136. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    LOL, just saying that you mentioned they loved each other, I wasn’t sure what you meant by it.

    I actually liked the movie Watson better than the book Watson. They are very, very similar, almost the same, but I’ve always noticed that Conan Doyle’s Watson was pushed around a bit by Holmes and showed no real annoyance when dragged off into Holmes’ adventures. At least movie Watson was a LITTLE annoyed.

    (BTW-watch for the line in the movie where they mention that Watson has notes of Holmes’ “adventures” (obviously referring to the first series of stories, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes)). Made me LOL.

  137. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    ARod signed with Texas in December, but close enough.

  138. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Rich, lol – that’s right. AT the end, didn’t Larry put an orchestra on the guy’s lawn and play Wagner?

  139. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    The Yanks never go with with lesser players they say they’re gonna go with.

  140. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Wait, no – slash fiction annoys me (they do it with Kirk/Spock as well) because, IMO it’s ok for two men to be heterosexual and still love each other. I loved the book Watson – I think he enjoyed getting into adventures with Holmes. I haven’t read the stories in a couple of years – I lost the 2 volume set of stories that I had. I need to go buy new copies…..

  141. Wait till we do it all over again December 28th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    I just found Watson’s total reticience to Holmes rather unrealistic.

  142. JJ December 28th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Favre is amazing!

  143. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    What a throw by Favre.

  144. Y 27 December 28th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Wow, what a game.

  145. Oddessy December 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    30 points in the 2nd half for the Vikings.

    Bill Sheridan is somewhere smiling LOL!

  146. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    “They asked for and received more money from the Yankees because they knew their skills were limited in the marketplace and they had all the leverage. Goldman Sachs applicants are in the exact opposite position.”

    Sure – there are simply far fewer human beings who can play professional baseball.

    But that doesn’t have much to do with this idea that being in NY is some kind of handicap in attracting talent. And that’s what was being discussed.

    I don’t think it’s been too much of a barrier for the club in the past. The entire reason the amateur draft was put into place was because so many young players first choice was to play for the yanks. Even back then cost of living was higher in NY than anywhere else.

    And before the discrepancy between the yankees payroll and the rest of the league wasn’t nearly as big as it is now even during the dynasty.

    The point people were raising was that the Yankees would have to pay more due to NY taxes and cost of living.

    That’s simply not the major reason why the yankees spend so much in payroll. It’s a factor but significant one.

    Those factors affect Goldman as well. In general, the idea of cost of living and marginal tax rates gets blown out of proportion when it comes to NY – especially top echelon organizations.

    NY is the hub for how much of the country’s activity? I don’t think it’s much of a barrier that has to be overcome.

    Goldman isn’t at some competitive disadvantage compared to Wachovia in attracting talent because they are in NY. Sure they have to make up for some of the marginal differences in cost of living, etc. but that’s not the driver for say the differences in income at the partner’s level.

    And outside of that, there’s a real argument to be made that for high wealth individuals NY makes their money more valuable because there are more ways of spending it. You can’t have dinner at Masa’s in Raleigh. In NY you have that choice. There’s a reason why so many wealthy people live in the city.

  147. Phil the Thrill December 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Bill Sheridan won’t be smiling long.

  148. Coach6423 December 28th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    how bout great catch sidney rice….at some point someone has to give someone other than favre credit….

  149. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    “ARod signed with Texas in December, but close enough.”

    Wrong.

    He signed January 26, 2001 with texas. See the transactions list on his baseball reference page for the reference:

    “October 30, 2000: Granted Free Agency.

    January 26, 2001: Signed as a Free Agent with the Texas Rangers.”

    http://www.baseball-reference......html?redir

  150. Frank December 28th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    “how bout great catch sidney rice….at some point someone has to give someone other than favre credit…”

    Good job on both ends. Favre threw it where only his guy could catch it and Rice made a terrific catch.

  151. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Phil

    Hopefully in re: to Sheridan not smiling long.

  152. KWAN December 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “at some point someone has to give someone other than favre credit….”

    Nope. Not gonna happen. All Favre, all the time.

  153. haiku-man December 28th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Tank 11:06 pm

    Great link,Sounds just like what we’re hearing from Cashman this offseason. St Louis fans are convinced the Yankees will swoop down and get Holliday. Now I can see why they’re worried.

  154. Danny December 28th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Hope the Vikings score 50 on the Giants next week… don’t give Sheridan any chance to survive with a good performance.

  155. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    LOL I’m a Bears fan and this is just to laugh (or cry) at. They stink. The coach and GM need to go….

  156. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....s_arod_ap/

    The next via Cots

    “signed by Texas as free agent 12/00 (opted out 10/29/07)”

  157. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Robbie Gould is usually so good – what an awful kick

  158. CR9 December 28th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Just one more link

    Texas-Sized Deal
    Baseball: Rodriguez’s contract with the Rangers gives him the highest salary of any U.S. athlete.
    10 YEARS, $252 MILLION FOR ALEX RODRIGUEZDecember 12, 2000|JASON REID, TIMES STAFF WRITER
    DALLAS — Redefining sports contracts, the Texas Rangers on Monday made free-agent shortstop Alex Rodriguez the nation’s highest-salaried athlete, agreeing to a record 10-year, $252-million deal that heightened concerns about the future of baseball.

    The host Rangers made many moves at the winter meetings here and completed the biggest deal with arguably baseball’s best player, luring Rodriguez from the Seattle Mariners–their American League West division rival–with a package worth more than the individual estimated values of 18 major league franchises.

  159. Yanks 61 December 28th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Bears have a nice team… they’ll have a high draft pick and probably hire Cowher or some big time coach.

    Favre is a diva, but damn, he is fun to watch.

  160. Bo Knows December 28th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    I would assume it’s a known fact that the Yankees could spend another thirty to fifty mil. They have been inefficient for years and had to overspend. Holliday this year, Lee and Webb next year and so on. They don’t need a farm system. Rookies don’t ensure victory etc. Trade one of Joba/Hughes for a stud etc. Sound familiar? How did that work out?

  161. Frank December 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    “Hope the Vikings score 50 on the Giants next week… don’t give Sheridan any chance to survive with a good performance.”

    How’s Coughlin survive the carnage? He’s the guy that lost the team. Games like the one yesterday and the one in Denver? Those are Coughlin not having properly prepared or motivated to compete when it mattered. Problems don’t go away when Sheridan does.

  162. CB December 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    CR9,

    Thanks for the correction. Baseball reference must be listing the dates the deals were officially filed with the commissioners office, which obviously is a formality and not when the deal was done.

  163. Jacob Ruppert December 28th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    “Goldman isn’t at some competitive disadvantage compared to Wachovia in attracting talent because they are in NY. ”

    The reason they arent at a competitve disadvantage is because of the amount of people available to do the job. It has nothing to with being in New York and more to do with their ability to pay top dollar so everyone wants to work for them. As you said, there are far fewer people able to play baseball and that gives those players the advantage and ability to choose to play in a place that can offer them just as much money with less pressure from the NY media and less hatred from fans around the country. Therefore, the Yankees have to pay more to lure those players to NY.

  164. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Yanks, they won’t have a draft pick, any draft pick; they gave them to Denver for Cutler.

  165. blake December 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    “What do the dates January 13 and January 26 have in common? Those are the dates that Scott Boras clients Carlos Beltran, Derek Lowe (both 1/13), and Alex Rodriguez signed free agent contracts with the Mets, the Braves, and the Rangers, respectively. I mention it because that thumping you hear is the quickening of many St. Louis Cardinals’ fans’ hearts as the fear that Matt Holliday will slip from their grasp spreads throughout the Midwest.”

  166. Frank December 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    “Bears have a nice team… they’ll have a high draft pick and probably hire Cowher or some big time coach”

    Bears high draft pick belongs to Denver.

  167. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Tank

    the NYPost article raises more questions. Is Cashman wheelin and dealin again, in stealth mode. It’s exactly what he’s saying now.
    Lower the budget, this player or that player are above his budget…yada yada.

  168. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    The McCaskey’s are known for being cheap, so firing Lovie and Angelo is not a giving. If Lovie goes, Angelo has to go. I would love Cowher, who would be a perfect fit in Chicago.

  169. Betsy - high on pie December 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    given….

  170. Danny December 29th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Betsy, how did you become a Bears fan?

  171. Pat M., December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    I was in Savannah ( bar on Riverwalk )in early December 2000 when the deal was announced….as to when the actual signing it must have been in Jan 2001…..

  172. Danny December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    Frank,

    You are right, but they are not firing him. He gets one more year because of the SB, but he better find a good defensive coordinator and figure out what went wrong. He can’t live off that championship forever.

  173. blake December 29th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    The actual signing was Jan 26 2001

  174. Bo Knows December 29th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    It can be argued that the Yankees trashed both Hughes and Joba by rushing them to the Majors before they were ready. Bringing Hughes up in May was a crime. Starters like those two should be developed, not thrown into the deep end and lionized. Hopefully they can recover, we’ll see.

  175. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    More sad news, especially for Premier League fans.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho.....troke.html

    Poor Edwin.

  176. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Two words for Adrian Peterson:

    High and tight.

  177. CB December 29th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    “there are far fewer people able to play baseball and that gives those players the advantage and ability to choose to play in a place that can offer them just as much money with less pressure from the NY media and less hatred from fans around the country. Therefore, the Yankees have to pay more to lure those players to NY.”

    Outside of the very down days of the franchise (which have been brief), the team has never had trouble attracting players and up until 2002 forward the team’s payroll discrepency vs. the rest of the league wasn’t close to what it was before.

    There are huge advantages to playing in NY. Many players want to play here and want the lifestyle that NY can afford. You aren’t palling around with Jay-Z in Milwaukee. You’re not going to find a place to live that is like SOHO in Boston.

    Again, the amateur draft was literally put into place to stop the yankees from just signing the best available talent because a disproportionate number of young players wanted to play for the Yanks in NY.

    The yankees are not bribing players to come to NY.

  178. Tom December 29th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Boras always drags his clients out, that is why a lot of teams are reluctant to deal with him because they don’t want to wait for a player and watch their other options disappear and put their eggs in one basket.

  179. KO December 29th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Jamie Hoffman? Brett Gardner/Reed Johnson platoon? Have you people forgotten what team you’re covering?

    The Yankees will sign a legitimate left fielder before the off season is over. Just be patient.

  180. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 12:09 am

    Danny, I first became a Bears fan after watching Brian’s Song. I sort of fell in love with Piccolo and Sayers….Then, I didn’t really pay attention to them until 1985 when they and the Rams were undefeated. The Rams fell first and I rooted for the Bears after that. I couldn’t really follow the Bears until the internet exploded…. I used to like the Broncos because they had horses on their helmets, lol

  181. girty December 29th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Spot-on analysis, Chad. Thank you.

  182. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    CB, I’m not sure how many players really want to play in NY. In fact, I’d venture to say that most of them would not. The fans can be brutal – get off to a bad start, and they probably won’t forgive you (Tino being an exception). I guess if you get your kicks palling around with Jay Z, NY has it’s appeal, but when you see fans treating Alex the way they have……it loses it’s appeal quickly.

  183. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Speaking of selling (or not selling) a player on NY, the Knicks really, really, really need LeBron.

  184. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    “How’s Coughlin survive the carnage?”

    Obviously, Spags had more to do with the Giants SB win than Coughlin, but Coughlin has a great philosophy as a coach, as does Joe Girardi.

    Neither Girardi or Coughlin may be the best coach, but they certainly know how to manage a team.

    The problems Osi had earlier this year were not with Tom, but with Bill.

    I am not going to go all out attack on Gilbride, as he was the OC for the Super Bowl also, but his play calling is terrible….

    In re: to Sheridan, one has to consider that our entire defense has suffered from injuries. Like the Patriots defense in 2008-09, the Giants defense collapsed with injury.

    But, Sheridan is a bum. He made no adjustments from Game 1 to Game 16. He stuck with the same game plan every game.
    What coach does not even attempt adjustments, especially when his area of the team is struggling badly.

    Our zones were torched all year, our blitzers picked up, and our defensive front 4 put much less pressure on the QB than was expected going into the season.

  185. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 12:16 am

    Rich, I don’t know why Lebron would want to come to the Knicks……they’re just inept.

  186. CB December 29th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Betsy,

    The brutality of the fans in NY is overdone. Philly and Boston are extremely difficult as well.

    Carlos Beltran would have signed for less to play for the yankees and then wound up signing with the mets. Tex wanted to play for the Yanks.

    Ultimately player are most likely to play where the most money is.

    The yankees revenues dwarf any other team’s and that’s the underlying dynamic.

    In many ways the yankees have much more in common with Manchester Untied and Real Madrid than they do with the Boston Red Sox. The yankees aren’t at the Man U/ Real scale due to differences in popularities in the respective sports, but the yankees operate at a completely different scale than any other team in the industry.

  187. Frank December 29th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    CR:

    We’ll agree to disagree. Coughlin had final say on all football decisions. If adjustments are to be made they are his responsibilty. He’s the same guy who allowed the Giants to collapse after the loss of one guy in 2008 and after building a 5-0 record against lightweights, he showed he was once again not up to the task this season. He lost the team and it showed in the results.

  188. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    “In many ways the yankees have much more in common with Manchester Untied and Real Madrid than they do with the Boston Red Sox.”

    CB
    We could get the owners of Manchester City, the Abu Dhabi Group, as the successors to the Steinbrenners. Then we can spend $500 million a year!

    One can dream!

    Speaking of soccer (football), baseball should allow teams to buy players from other teams. I am pretty sure the Twins would accept $100 million for Joe Mauer.

    Again, one can dream!

  189. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    CB, I know Philly fans are rough, but Boston fans love their team through thick and thin – that’s what it seems like. Yankee fans ? I really don’t like them….I see them treat LaTroy Hawkins like he’s a leper for wearing #21; I see them booing Alex in ST and on Opening Day. They booed Mo and Jeter…..It’s true about Beltran offering to take less, but he’s a very rare case. Tex would have been fine going to Boston if the Yankees didn’t pop in at the last minute.

  190. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Frank

    You are entitled to your opinion, and it’s fine to disagree….

    IMO, we collapses because of injuries, a terrible defensive coordinator in 2009-10.

    In 2008-09, we collapsed without the presence of Plaxico, because our other WRs could then be single covered, and opposing defenses could stack 8 in the box in an attempt to shut down our run game. Going back to my earlier point about Kevin Gilbride and his terrible play calling, we were put at a significant disadvanatage without Plaxico.

    I am not sure than any team constructed as ours could have overcome the loss of Plaxico.

    Well, of course the Patriots could have, they play with Reche Caldwells and David Givens and turn Deion Branch into good WRs (Tom Brady and Bill B. off. genius).

  191. braeden December 29th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    I’ve been stewing over this since it happened. Why would a team’s GM, that has one of the best pictures in baseball, find it necessary to pay another team money, to complete a trade of him?

    Brian Cashman would die first, or turn in his resignation shortly afterwards,before he would ever be that stupid. Anthopoulos asked the AL for major league ready players and their top prospects. He ACCEPTS from the retirement league (NL) prospects.I hope they finish 60 games out.

    I know this if off thread but I’ve been boiling angry, ok I’m done.

  192. Phil the Thrill December 29th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Teams used to be able to buy players from other teams until Bowie Kuhn more or less outlawed it cause he hated Charles O. Finlay and didn’t want him to do what Connie Mack had done several times before with the A’s top players. Kuhn was an absolutely horrible commissioner.

  193. 66 stripes December 29th, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Coughlin without Spagnuolo = Torre without Don Zimmer.

  194. Frank December 29th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    “Brian Cashman would die first”

    Cash just sent a half mill to the Braves last week. Anyone making sure he’s OK.

  195. Cando December 29th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    So will a new defensive coordinator turn Rouse, CC Brown, Michael Johnson, Dockery, Bruce Johnson, Danny Clark, Rocky Bernard, etc. into good players?

    Will they turn back the clock on Pierce or Robbins?

    Reese needs to clean house. He is as much to blame for the failures as anyone.

  196. Bo Knows December 29th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Why would the Yankees want Mauer? He might play his position well another two years. Montero is a year away if the Yankee hype is correct about him remaining at catcher. It would be an overpriced, bad contract. That’s like signing Giambi with Johnson on board. The latest shiny object.

  197. Tom on N.J. December 29th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    LA Times Article from December 12, 2000 about Alex agreeing to terms w/ Tex.

    http://articles.latimes.com/20.....s/sp-64536

  198. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 29th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    braeden

    The Chicago Tribune described the trade as,the Phillies dug a hole with one hand,(letting Lee go)and filling it in with the other(getting Halladay,)

    They still can’t make Ryan Howard hit,the rest of the starting rotation effective, or the bullpen any better. It at best was a lateral move. Hope that makes you feel better.

  199. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    http://slickdeals.net/forums/s.....?t=1775358

    $0.75 NJ NETS tickets…Select games Jan thru April

    Betsy
    This is in response to your Knicks inept comment.

    Obviously, the Knicks are not good, and most of this year’s roster will not be around next year, but there are far more inept teams than the Knicks in the NBA, including, but not limited, to the Nets.

    The Knicks just had something like a 4 game win streak, and all I heard in the media was the Knicks are still a joke. There is a team in the league with 2 wins, and yet it is the NY team that is attacked.

    We just got Donnie Walsh as our GM. Walsh knows how to operate a team.

    If we can find someone to take Jared Jeffries contract or Eddy Curry’s contract, or both at the trade deadline, we will be all set for the summer.

    Even with no Lebron, there are plenty of other top talents that could come here.

    In the NBA, all it takes is a star to turn a losing franchise into a winner.

    KG is one ready example. All it took was KG and a Ray Allen for them to be champions.

    The Knicks can do it, and without Lebron.

  200. Kyle December 29th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    Coughlin’s teams have notoriously collapsed.

    2004: Started 5-2, ended 1-8 (though that was when they put in Eli)
    2005: Fine… but got shut out at home in the playoffs
    2006: started 6-2, ended 2-6 including heartbreaking losses like Tennesee, out in the 1st round
    2007: Won the SB
    2008: Lost 4 of our last 5 after starting 11-1, didn’t win a playoff game
    2009: started 5-0, will finish 3-8 and no playoffs.

    2007 saved his bacon and changed the entire reputation of the Giants. A championship will do that to you, but he cannot live on it forever. If you look deeper, we’ve collapsed down the stretch under Coughlin in 4 of his 6 seasons.

    He better hit on his next D coordinator, not go for someone washed up like Dick Juron or promote someone from within.

  201. Brave December 29th, 2009 at 12:41 am

    Has to tuen around for the Knicks at some point right? It did for the Celtics.

  202. braeden December 29th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Frank,

    Was Melky the best outfielder in the majors, or one of the best?

    If Halladay came to the Yankees, I’ll bet no money would come with him!

  203. vb03 December 29th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    http://slickdeals.net/forums/s…..?t=1775358

    $0.75 NJ NETS tickets…Select games Jan thru April

    Betsy
    This is in response to your Knicks inept comment.

    Obviously, the Knicks are not good, and most of this year’s roster will not be around next year, but there are far more inept teams than the Knicks in the NBA, including, but not limited, to the Nets.

    ——————————–

    The Nets know what they’re doing. Positioning themselves for a #1 pick and 2 max contracts in the offseason, this franchise can turn it around in a hurry. There is already a boatload of young talent on the roster, just need some marquee names to provide veteran leadership this offseason and the team is set.

  204. Phil the Thrill December 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    It’ll turn around for the Knicks. They are just about out of the NBA’s short-sighted cap hell.

  205. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    2006: started 6-2, ended 2-6 including heartbreaking losses like Tennesee, out in the 1st round

    That Tennessee loss was fun. That year specifically, we got cheated by numerous roughing the passer penalties due to following a play through, even after the whistle had blown.

    Vince Young was in our defenders’ grasps, and the play should have been called dead, and our player thought it had been, so our player let go of Vince Young so as to avoid a Roughing the Passer penalty, Vince would escape to get the first down on 4th down IIRC…. and as they say, the rest is…

  206. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    vb03

    Excellent point. Well taken.

    But if that is the case for the Nets, then that is the case for the Knicks.

    To call them inept is and sounds very “media-brainwashed”

    Donnie Walsh just came in here, and IMO, will reverse the damage done by Isiah Thomas, in time.

    Donnie Walsh is a very knowledgeable GM.

    ___

    I find it annoying that the media finds it necessary to rag on the Knicks, while there are teams out there with 2 wins and selling .75 cent tickets.

    The Knicks should not be the laughing stock story of this year.

  207. Kyle December 29th, 2009 at 12:51 am

    CR,

    For sure. That season was just awful. Got blown out in Seattle, blown out at home vs. the Bears, blown out at home vs. Philly, blown our in Jacksonville, blown out at home vs. New Orleans, lost on a last second FG against Dallas, and of course, the Tennessee game.

    This season was a close 2nd.

  208. vb03 December 29th, 2009 at 12:53 am

    CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    vb03

    Excellent point. Well taken.

    But if that is the case for the Nets, then that is the case for the Knicks.

    To call them inept is and sounds very “media-brainwashed”

    Donnie Walsh just came in here, and IMO, will reverse the damage done by Isiah Thomas, in time.

    Donnie Walsh is a very knowledgeable GM.

    ___

    I find it annoying that the media finds it necessary to rag on the Knicks, while there are teams out there with 2 wins and selling .75 cent tickets.

    The Knicks should not be the laughing stock story of this year.

    ——————-

    Media likes to rag on NY teams a lot. It’s the ESPN effect, since almost all of them are Red Socker shills. As soon as the MLB network went live, I ditched ESPN and never looked back.

  209. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Kyle

    Do not remember many specifics of the Bears game, but we had a 14-0 lead, and we scored a TD to go up 21-0, but the TD was cheaply taken away on a penalty on Amani Toomer… And downhill that came went.

    It is kind of fun to look at how a game changes with 1 penalty or non penalty, or a play in which the actions of the players is affected by the referees of that specific game or the overall season.

  210. 66 stripes December 29th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    The players just do not play hard for Sheridan. He didn’t even want to be on the sidelines… he can’t communicate with them and they don’t buy into him. He looks like a statue on the sidelines. Does he look like a guy who knows what he is doing or a guy who can inspire a group of men like Spags could?

    I always wondered why Coughlin promoted our Linebacking coach, when our linebackers have been abysmal for over 20 years and were easily the weakest part of our defense, even under Spags

  211. Pat M., December 29th, 2009 at 12:56 am

    I don’t think the average casual fan had any idea how badly Isiah Thomas was destroying the proud NY Knickerbockers……Once he pushed Coach Larry Brown out, I just knew the Knicks would have to bottom out before Dolan would remove Thomas……I’ve been a Knick fan since the days of Cazzie, Willis & Clyde in the late 60′s….Finally the Knicks are returning to respectability and they’ll squeek into the postseaon this year……

  212. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Oops. I think the Bears game I am talking about is a different year under Tommy.

    I think it was the year we had Kurt Warner.

  213. vb03 December 29th, 2009 at 12:58 am

    The defense has gone downhill since the Gap retired. The defensive coaches have not taken full advantage of Osi and Tuck’s versatility. The pass defense has been abysmal due to injuries to the safety and cornerback corps, and the run defense has had to compensate, with disastrous results.

    I’m not a fan of Bill Sheridan but he will probably be given an opportunity to work with a healthy defense next season instead of being canned at the end of the year.

  214. Ranger December 29th, 2009 at 12:59 am

    I can’t get that worked up over Giants losses like I did before we won the SB.

    Whenever I get upset, I just think about this core knocking Brady, Belicheat, and the 18-0 Patriots into the ground and ruining their perfect season on that warm Arizona February night. Tyree, Alford knocking Brady to the ground, Burress in the endzone…. It was 2 years ago, but it was so sweet, I can at least still enjoy it while this core group is still here. It’s not like it was 20 years ago.

    What a perfect ending, a perfect run. Beat the Cowboys, beat Favre in GB and send him into (his 1st) retirement, beat the 18-0 Pats.

  215. Yank1 December 29th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    “I’m not a fan of Bill Sheridan but he will probably be given an opportunity to work with a healthy defense next season instead of being canned at the end of the year.”

    Please god no.

  216. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    66 Stripes – Yes!

    Does anybody remember the Cowboys game IIRC, in which the RB of the ‘Boys fumbled it (called that way by the refs on the field) and the Giants recovered it.

    Sheridan was shown on the sideline pumping his fist repeatedly, as if he had something to do with the luck of a guy fumbling it (when the guy actually did not fumble it).

    I could not wait for the refs to overturn it, because I was hoping to see Sheridan on the sidelines, to see what his reaction was! LOL

  217. vb03 December 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    Yank1 December 29th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    “I’m not a fan of Bill Sheridan but he will probably be given an opportunity to work with a healthy defense next season instead of being canned at the end of the year.”

    Please god no.

    ——————–

    I don’t like it much, but the injuries will probably save his job for now.

  218. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 1:05 am

    That Alford sack was the greatest sack in NFL history!

    The way he planted Tawmmy on his behind was, as they say on ESPN about NBA dunks, a posterizing sack.

    The best part about that last New England Drive was, New England could have tried to move the ball down the field to get into FG range….

    But they had GIVEN UP. The Giants hit them in the mouth all game, they stood up to the bullies, and the bullies could not hack it anymore, and so all they did was heave the ball down the field.

    They were beaten, mentally and physically. They could not take the beatdown any longer.

  219. RT December 29th, 2009 at 1:06 am

    To be fair… Tuck was hurt all year but played through it. Kenny Phillips was a HUGE loss. Osi was not 100% back. Ross played like what, 2 games? Boley hardly played. Canty hardly played. Webster was banged up towards the end.

    Need some new linebackers and a legit safety next to KP, but we shouldn’t be as bad next year on D. Need a lot more quality depth.

  220. Yank1 December 29th, 2009 at 1:10 am

    It is still hard to believe that we held the Pats to 14 points. I mean, this team was putting up 40+ on everyone and running up the score. They were the best offensive team in NFL history. Even 5 weeks earlier in the cold, windy Medowlands, they put up 38 on us. Spags just bewildered them.

  221. CR9 December 29th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Yank1

    I take absolutely no credit away from Spags…

    but I think the following has a lot to do with it.

    The Pats O-line really was not that good, and really are not that good most years.

    Off. Holdings happen on every play, and it is a judgment call by the refs.

    The Pats Oline held and strangled defenders all year long, and got away with it, as usual.

    Referee Mike Carey and crew decided to call the SB fairly, and because their Oline was not able to hold and throttle our defenders, our defense exposed the Oline for what it really was, frauds.

    I’ve said this before, if the refs do not call the game fairly, we do not win. Simple as that.

    It’s a shame that refs must be given credit for doing their jobs, but I have no problem giving them the credit due them for calling the biggest game in NFL history and in the NY-Boston rivalry fairly.

  222. Jerkface December 29th, 2009 at 1:45 am

    For anyone who says Gardner can’t hit heat should look at the FLA game where he rocked Lindstrom:

    B. Gardner M. Lindstrom Triple to CF (Line Drive to Deep CF); Posada Scores; Cabrera Scores

    96 MPH fastball and he roped it for a triple. Slap hitters can defeat hard throwers. Gardner doesn’t whiff at fastballs, he whiffs at breaking balls. Slap hitters can take a hard thrower for a hit because the ball is generating all the power. They just need to hit the sweet spot. Gardner hit the sweet spot that was a rocket.

    Here is the video: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5183371

  223. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 29th, 2009 at 1:55 am

    -Mlbtraderumors is reporting that Bruney wants to close for the Nationals, awh that’s so sweet, he’ll have to compete with Mike Capp!

    -Derosa and Giants reach agreement, should be announced today!
    2/@12MM

  224. haiku-man December 29th, 2009 at 2:27 am

    FRANCESCA says a major Mets update on his show today.

    Is it Holliday or Bay, Derosa is now signed and that’s not major.

  225. Jeff December 29th, 2009 at 5:58 am

    Jerkface’s comment is right on. I think that Gardner is being undersold on this site. The guy has an outstanding tool, 80 speed, and that is going to play very well on this team. If he can get on base at over 35% and play a strong LF and backup CF he is going to be very valuable.

    Having said that, the depth at OF in general is not acceptable (Colin Curtis would be the first callup, yikes!) so I would expect the Yankees to bring in one guy to be on the ML roster and at least one veteran guy will be signed to a minor league contract. Apparently there will be quite a choice to be had in a few weeks time.

    If the Yankees are able to dump Gaudin and Mitre and their salaries, I think that a Damon return will become quite likely. I get the feeling that the Yankees are just playing hard to get with Boras.

  226. joeman December 29th, 2009 at 6:24 am

    Hoffmann & Gardner ….are you kidding me, don’t need a allstar at every position but don’t want AAA players starting in LF either

  227. Joe X December 29th, 2009 at 7:22 am

    Damon has already been replaced with a hodge-podge of players. Now they just need to replace Melky for 6 monthes to a year to make their move on Crawford.

  228. blake December 29th, 2009 at 7:38 am

    I don’t think Granderson and Nick Johnson are a Hodge podge.

  229. Joe X December 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am

    Merely referred to the way his abilities were divided and spread arround.

  230. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    “FRANCESCA says a major Mets update on his show today.”

    It probably means that another Met will be appearing on his show.

  231. geb December 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am

    I am so tired of everyone wanting Damon back. I know that he hit well last year for us but his defense is horrible and to hear everyone say that they want him in LF is a joke. He has no arm, his legs were giveing him problems all year and how many times did he misplay a ball? The only way he could have come back would have been as a DH and now we have NJ there. Move on people.

  232. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    I don’t want Damon back, but I think he might be. As much as I have destroyed him for his defense, however, there is an argument to be made that his negative UZR/150 was an aberration because it was significantly positive in 2008. That said, he projects to be at about 1.7 WAR, so I would prefer to pass.

  233. Glenner December 29th, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Hoffman is better (faster with more pop) than some of us might expect. Oddly, he is the 4th player to reach the majors in recent memory from New Ulm, MN. a town of about 15K. That must be some kind of record!

  234. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Given that Hoffman was rated as the best defensive OF in the Dodgers system, I think it’s reasonable to expect that he some speed.

  235. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    One hit will not show me anything……….

  236. 86w183 December 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    The Yanks can afford to give Gardner a chance with that lineup so why not do it. I have ZERO interest in Reed Johnson because he is not an upgrade over anything, he’s just a guy who does a few things okay. Well,Gardner does a few things okay and no one questions Hoffman’s defense so exactly what does Johnson bring? Zip!

    A minor upgrade would be a waste of time and money. Do something that is significant (Holliday, Marlon Byrd) or do nothing… but I don’t wants to see a dime-a-dozen shlub like Johnson join the team.

  237. blake December 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    If the Yankees choose to go with a one year stopgap for LF then Damon is a better option than anyone else floating around. This is assuming he would take a one year deal which is far from a given..

  238. Whatsa Matta U December 29th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    None. I look at Hoffman as no more than organizational depth. It would make more sense to bring up Montero and see what he’s got than play this guy.

  239. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Byrd has a 99 career OPS+. That’s not a significant upgrade.

  240. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am

    I would make no sense to bring up Montero and truncate his development as a catcher.

  241. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am

    It would…

  242. blake December 29th, 2009 at 8:25 am

    86w, I have no interest in reed Johnson either but if they sign him I think it will be more of a depth/bench move than an upgrade. He would be platooned with Gardner with Gardner seeing most of the playing time. If they sign Reed Johnson then Gardner will be the main LF IMO…

  243. Whatsa Matta U December 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Half a season @ Scranton, then bring him up. He’s not going to be a ful time Major League Catcher. He’s the best hitter in the minors, and we could use another bat.

  244. Whatsa Matta U December 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Blake,

    I think one Johnson is enough on the roster.

  245. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am

    Hoffman, Johnson, Gardner ?….we still do NOT have a player that is worthy of the NYY starting LF uniform. But we WILL by Spring Training….

  246. Don Vito A. Bellamo December 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am

    …and of course, I know we don’t actually have Reed Johnson now….THANK GOODNESS ! :-)

  247. Kal347 December 29th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    The Yankees need to add a solid right-handed bat in left field. The best option, if he gets medical clearance, is Nady. Then they need a good veteran bat off the bench, which they will be able to pick up on the cheap near the end of the offseason. Gardner cannot be the everyday left fielder. Too many lefties in the line-up. And we are not going to sign another all-star. I know it is hard for some of you to believe this, but even the Yankees have fiscal limits. Plus you want to create a certain chemistry and that requires a variety of player types.

  248. Ross December 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am

    “The last word: “The acquisition of a franchise talent is not about a wristwatch. … It’s about the club recognizing the benefit of having that player and how they’ll be dramatically impacted by the loss of that player. When that realization takes place, when there is recognition of the player’s place in the market, then you have an agreement.” — Agent Scott Boras on the slow market for Holliday.

    ‘……is not about a wristwatch….’

    WHAT is Boras SMOKING??

  249. 86w183 December 29th, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Rich NJ —

    Marlon Byrd has an average OPS+ of 113 over the last three years. That is a major upgrade over Gardner or Reed Johnson or Hoffman or most of the other options.

    His recent track record is more predictive than two lousy seasons in the wasteland known as the Washington Nationals.

  250. Betsy - high on pie December 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....bronx.html

    But missing out on DeRosa does not mean the Yankees will seek an expensive option such as Matt Holliday or Jason Bay for their left-field opening, one Yankee official said before the deal was made. “No chance on Matt Holliday, no chance on Jason Bay,” the official said. “Zero. None. Underline it.”

    The Yankees are thinking of much cheaper free agent options – former Blue Jay and Cub Reed Johnson, Jerry Hairston Jr. from last season’s team or other players for left field, the official said. Brett Gardner could have a chance to compete for a role there. They will also troll the trade market.

    Of course, Yankee GM Brian Cashman once said that he was comfortable with Bubba Crosby being the team’s starting center fielder – mere weeks before the Yankees gave Johnny Damon $52 million over four years to play there instead. The Yankees certainly could afford to stretch their self-imposed budget for a big name, but they also believe that next year’s free agent class – hello, Carl Crawford! – is much more attractive, so they are saving cash for that.

    ****************
    It’s a ridiculous headline since DeRosa never received an offer from the Yankees to actually spurn…….

    It sounds like the really want Carl Crawford – simply stupid. Cash really surprises me; does he actually think CC is worth a big contract ? Does he really not know what will happen when his legs go?

  251. Joe X December 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Rich in NJ

    If, big if, they get Mauer there wont be a full time space for him in NY. Right now all catchers train for 1B, a position that’s also locked up. DH will at least to start be used by Posada. If his bat is truly as good as is said they will prefer not to trade him. The best Yankee opening will be right. Starting now to train him for right as a secondary position in stead of 1st while continueing to train him for catcher won’t hurt his trade value or catching usefullness but will vastly increase his chance of staying as a Yankee again, if they sign Mauer

  252. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    86w183

    It was 106 last season, and that average is skewed by his out of context 2008 season. He will be 33. No thanks.

  253. Whatsa Matta U December 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    I hope that they can hammer out something with Damon before Spring training. The left field situation has the smell of the centerfield situation the past few years.

  254. blake December 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    boras is delusional.. He can keep saying that stuff all he wants and hold out hope that someone will bail him out with a 150 million dollar contract but it aint happening and sooner or later he will come to that realization and lower the asking price.

  255. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Joe X

    I disagree. They need to know if Montero can remain at C. If he can do that, no matter what happens, his value will be off the charts. He can workout at 1B before games.

  256. pat December 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am

    ‘……is not about a wristwatch….’

    That means they are willing to be patient. Using a calendar to measure time not a wristwatch.

  257. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Crawford is not nearly as good as Holliday according to any aggregate metric.

  258. blake December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    Rich, I hope that the Yankees aren’t crossing Holliday off the list to pursue Crawford next year. If they truely can’t afford or don’t want to afford Holliday then OK but I don’t agree with the baseball decision of choosing Crawford over Holliday. Crawfords is the bad contract waiting to happen IMO..plus Holliday can play for them this year and Crawford can’t..

  259. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Ross-

    Who is SB directing that comment to ?

    The Cards or Yanks.

    I hate to tell him this but MH is NOT a franchise player.

    Is he an impact player ?

    Yes.

    But a “Franchise” type player.

    Get real Scott.

    And by the way, Scott since you are trying to engage in hyperpole I have some for you.

    Scott:

    We are the NY Yankees.

    The greatest franchise in all of sport.

    If you and your client can’t see that then maybe you should
    accept the generous offer from the Cards.

    We are not going to get fleeced, and we are not the one dumb owner team this year.

    We dont need Matt. he needs us.

    Scott.

    “who’s your daddy ?”

    And one last thing.

    You better remember where your bread is buttered.

    Don’t lecture us.

  260. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Nice try Scott.

    can’t blame a guy for tryin’

    Go sell that snake oil somewhere else.

    We aint buyin it.

  261. 86w183 December 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Sorry Rich NJ but you are wrong

    His OPS+ has been over 100 the last three years in a row (avg 113).

    How on earth is that not a significant improvement over Reed Johnson who has not topped 100+ in OPS in ANY of the last three years (avg 84) or Gardner who has scored a 53 and 93 in part time duty?

    He’s not an upgrade over Damon or Holliday, but I never said he was.

    He IS much better than Reed Johnson offensively.

    He is TONS better than Johnson defensively… a

    nd Byrd is three months YOUNGER than Reed Johnson.

    The prosecution rests.

  262. blake December 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    I still believe their is hope for a Holliday signing if the asking price is right because I put very little stock in anything the Yankees say publically. However Cashmams and the Yankees quotes on the subject have been much more absolute than they were with Teixera. They have left no wiggle room in their comments this time. That doesn’t neccesarily mean anything but if they signed MH now it would require some serious backtracking on statements.

  263. beck December 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Damon is being asked to take much less money. The Yankees are with good reason concerned if he were to come back, what affect would it have on the chemistry of the team. It’s better that the Yankees move on at this point.

    Damon wants money, after all year stating he wants to stay with the Yankees and finish his career. He even said this was the best organization he has played for. All this and it still comes down to money.

    He/Boras totally misread the market. So, for a few million more than what the Yankees offered, he’ll sign with another team, and be forgotten, goodbye Johnny.

  264. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    stopgap LF’er’s are designed to close drains not be LF’er’s for the NY Yankees.

    If we can’t get MH

    And we can’t get JD

    Then let’s just stay with the Flash in LF.

    He cheaper and might be almost as good.

    JMHO.

  265. Drive 4- 5 December 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Yanks have to keep Hoffman. Otherwise, they will have given up Brian Bruney for absolutley nothing and look very foolish. Bruney had his warts, but he’s got a good enough arm to warrant getting back something of value.

    I’d love to see the Yanks sign Marlon Byrd. Brett Gardner is a nice 4th outfielder, but he has yet to show that he is productive enough at the plate to even be in a platoon.

  266. Rich in NJ December 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    86w183

    I’m wrong that his OPS+ was 106 last season?

    I’m wrong that his 121 OPS+ in 2008 was out of context and skewed his three year average?

    Nope:

    http://www.baseball-reference......html?redir

    I don’t want Reed Johnson, so your motion is out of order.

    Gardner is cheaper so the question is one of value.

  267. blake December 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    MTU, I agree with you on LF. If no Holliday and no Damon then just save the “precious” payroll and let gardener play. Maybe sign a hairston or Reed Johnson for the bench and and call it a day. I don’t see just signing somebody to be signing somebody..that’s what the Yankees used to do. If you’re not actually going to improve the position the just save the money and stick with what you’ve got.

  268. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Poem for Cash/Hal:

    “For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
    For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
    For want of a horse the rider was lost.
    For want of a rider the battle was lost.
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.”
    And all for the want of a LF.

  269. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Blake-

    you and I have been on the same page all along.

  270. Glenner December 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Reed Johnson hit 324 last year against Lefties. Damon’s splits are 269/288. Johnson is a better fielder with more range and a better arm. In the 40 or 50 games played against left handed pitchers in 2010, Reed Johnson will be an upgrade. Damon is famous but not an elite player any more. Not even close. Johnson is under the radar. Johnson is affordable even when partnered with the second salary required to man left field against right handed hitters. Damon is not affordable and might be the worst bang for the buck out there. His competition for worst deal for the owners are Halliday and Bay.

  271. blake December 29th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    According to Lost there is a number that Cashman would do for Holliday. Because they haven’t moved on and signed a LFer and declared they are done for the offseason then I’m assuming that number is higher than the Cardinals reported offer of 5/80.. if that’s true it will boil down to whether or not the cards will raise their offer and of so if that number will still be lower than Cashmans..

  272. Frank December 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    “We dont need Matt. he needs us.”

    You’re half right.

  273. Money Mike December 29th, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Trade for Luke Scott or sign Marlon Byrd

  274. MTU December 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Blake-

    The Cards have to consider the potential cost fo having to re-sign Pujols.

    Sorry to say it but MH is a poor substitute for AP.

    They need AP more than MH IMO.

    Considering that.

    How high can they afford to go for MH ?

    On the other hand.

    The Yanks are RAPTORS.

    In fact, they can be like VelociRaptors – Fast and deadly.

  275. NJ Steve December 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    I said it before and I will say it again. Gardner is our best defensive CF’r and he should be playing most every day in CF. Granderson should be in LF except for days that Gardner does not play, although they should be few because Gardner can hit lefties better than Granderson (who should be platooned).

    WAKE UP PEOPLE, GRANDERSON SHOULD NOT SNIFF A START AGAINST A LEFTY UNLESS THEY GIVE GARDNER A DAY OFF AGAINST THEM.

  276. NJ Steve December 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    If the Yankees sign Reed Johnson than on occasion we may see Hoffman and Reed Johnson play against a tough lefty but just because Granderson is an elite player against righties does not mean he is better than Gardner against lefties? In fact, the stats show that Gardner should never bat against a lefty if you can avoid it.

    Bringing in Reed Johnson or anayone who can hit a lefty would be a smart move so that we have pinch hitters for our weakest hitters against lefties (Granderson and then Gardner). Gardner’s ability to cover so much ground in CF and save extra base hits is more vluable than people think. If he can save just one double a week (the stats show he saves more than that), it would add about 85 points to his .724 OPS. Think about that folks

  277. gfd December 29th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    -ROSS
    If Holliday is being HYPED to the Cardinals as a franchise player, one question, WHAT IS PUJOLS to the Cardinals?
    Boras wants to get Tex money for his client we get that, but nobody is seeing him as their franchise player. The Cardinals are trying to sign him before Pujols contract expires, so Albert knows the Cards want to put out a contending team.

    Holliday doesn’t carry a team, Pujols does that for the Cardinals.

    It is a common thread emerging among Boras clients HUGE EGOS, thinking too much of themselves, conceited arrogance!

  278. murphydog December 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Can we please call a moratorium on: Holliday-Damon-Byrd-Crawford-Gardner-Hoffman-Johnson and any other fallen horse that’s been flogged already? I’m beggin’ ya… There just isn’t anything original left to say.

    It’s like watching a pot and waiting for it to boil.

    Now THIS, on the other hand is NEWS: http://www.drivethrudiet.com/

  279. Sharkdaddy December 29th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    If the Yankees can get Holiday for 5/80, they should jump on it.

    Holiday is 29 & a 5 yr. contract will expire when he is 34. Baseball player’s prime years are their late 20′s thru their early to mid 30′s.

    MH is a solid baseball players all around. Can hit for power, drive in runs, hit for avg., is a good athlete, & a good clubhouse influence.

    Why wait for Crawford when MH is better all around, plus there is no guarantee CC will even be an option next season. If the Rays can’t get a home town discount from him, they will trade him by mid-season next yr., AND you know they won’t be looking at the Yankees as a trading partner.

    Sign MH and have a solid OF of real good players in thier late 20′s (MH, Granderson, Swisher) signed & under control for the next few yrs.

    Your corner IF (Alex/Tex) are signed for at least the next 6 yrs. & when Jeter’s contract is up after next season, you should be able to save considerable $ on resigning him, cause there is no way a 36 yr. old SS is worth another $18-$22 mil. a yr. Cash. should be saving around $10 mil. a yr. when he resigns Jeter.

  280. Matt December 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    There’s no possible way Cashman / Girardi will consider a Gardner/Reed Johnson platoon or a Gardner/Hoffmann platoon.
    It’s either Holliday for the long term solution or one of Byrd, Winn, or Dye for the short term.
    Scott Boras will never listen to less than a 2-year deal for Damon so he’s out of consideration.

  281. NJ Steve December 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    There’s no possible way Cashman / Girardi will consider a Gardner/Reed Johnson platoon or a Gardner/Hoffmann platoon.
    ___________________________________________________________

    Matt, we just won with Melky in CF which is a worse option…I would disagree with you.

    The mentality about never going with a younger guy until you see he is really good is what most of you folks are missing. the Yankees strategy should be to get the best players at their positions (including pitchers) and then fill in the gaps with young players with potential. The bench players should be specialists because in general the Yankees will not pinch hit for their starters. This year, Granderson causes more of a bench need, but that need should still be a specialist as the need for a pinch hitter would necessitate a lefty killer.

  282. Joe X December 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Rich in NJ

    I’m not saying they should stop training Montero as catcher, just that he is much more usefull in right than at 1st. If they don’t get Mauer, Montero catches. If they do, Montero could play full time RF and be backup catcher. If they need him, slide Montero behind the plate and Gardner or someone else into right. It would make Montero more valuable and give him much more playing time. Bakups for 1st are easy to find.

  283. Money Mike December 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Montero cant play outfield, he is way too lumbering, it catcher or first base for him. Thats the only weakness in his game, his suspect defense at catcher limits him to 1st base as the only other option.

  284. KennyH123 December 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Quick points on Hoffman… He is an outstanding OFer. Despite his size (6’3″, 235), he has very good speed, gets great jumps on the ball, takes excellent routes and has a very good arm as well. Played CF in Dodgers systesm, but excels at all 3 positions. Voted top defensive player in Dodger system last year… not top defensive OF, top defensive player, period.

    Just starting to realize potential with bat, as well… the kid can hit, and has developing power… this was a brilliant Rule V pickup.

  285. Glenner December 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Kennyh123, I couldn’t agree more. Hoffman will be a good surprise for Yankee fans.
    He is a steal.

  286. Tags1 December 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    So funny to read the complaints about another marginal outfielder. Everyone wants allstars at every position. It has been written that the Yanks won in the 90′s with Chad Curtis, Shane Spenser, and Rickey Ledee in left. So get over it, the Yanks will be fine. Let Gardner play and see what he can do with the chance. I do like the Reed Johnson option also. As for Montero he’s still learning to catch, I saw him in Trenton and I expected worse than what I saw. And with the way he hits no one will care as much about his defense.

  287. 86w183 December 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I’m not convinced Reed Johnson adds much. Byrd is a far better player offensively and defensively though I’m sure he would cost a lot more. I can live with Gardner for a while and see how he does… but they’ll still need a versaatile, veteran fourth OF type.

    NJ Steve — You sound more and more like the crazy uncle in the attic with your call for Granderson to platoon. It’s not happening nor should it happen. He is an every day player who provides significant value when he does not get on base.

    There are many instances of players having disproportional splits being too valueable to platoon with Paul O’Neill a perfect example. His splits vs LH were far worse with Cininnati than Granderson’s.

    Just give it (and US) a rest.


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581