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Team(s) of the decade?

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Dec 30, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Most reasonable observers agree that the Yankees – as a franchise – are the team of the decade. But how did the Yankees teams of the 2000′s stack up against each other?

I enjoy making lists as the year winds down, and this is one I’ve gotten some good mileage out of debating with friends.

The question: How would you rank the Yankees teams of the last 10 years?

Here’s mine:

1. 2009 – This ranking (along with the worst team) would seem to be the most obvious.
2. 2001 – Normally I’d say World Series champs HAVE to be at the top of the list but the ’01 team won more games, scored more runs and allowed fewer than the ’00 team while coming – literally – one pitch away from the title. To me, that’s enough to trump. Admittedly, it’s a controversial ranking.
3. 2000 – Subway champs but only 87 wins and a (relatively) small run-differential.
4. 2003 – If not for David Wells (and Jeff Weaver and Josh Beckett), this team would have been champs.
5. 2002 – This was my first year covering baseball in New York and I still remember how stunned I was to see the Yankees get run out by the Angels in the ALDS. This team had a plus-200 (!) run-differential and won 103 games. Their flameout remains a massive disappointment.
6. 2006 – Very, very solid year. Very disappointing October bust.
7. 2007 – I know this team finished second in the AL East; I still think they beat any of the teams below them in a seven-game series (with regularity, too). Terrific offense.
8. 2004 – Will always be remembered for the epic collapse but 101 wins obscures the difficulty of the regular season.
9. 2005 – Oldest team of the decade. Average age of hitters was 32, of pitchers was 34. On a related note, this was Randy Johnson’s first year.
10. 2008 – No explanation necessary.

(Obligatory disclaimer: This list was done for fun. There are no right answers and no scientific methods to it. I focused on results, run differential and a whole lot of feel/memory/gut instinct. Others can, and no doubt will, use other criteria. It all works.)

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326 Responses to “Team(s) of the decade?”

  1. crawdaddy December 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I think the 2003 team was better than the 2001 team.

  2. JoeyA December 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    The ’01 team had so much emotion invested. Sept. 11 sentiments can’t be ignored.

    God damned Luis Gonzalez! Without the juice, that’s an infield pop up!!

  3. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Erica when are you going to Sin City?

    *********

    Flight leaves at 6:30-
    Heading to airport at 4!!!! (I live 5 minutes from the airport)

  4. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Wait ?!
    they are lowering the price of Official Yankee Stadium Grass seed?

  5. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    GreenBeret7
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
    I am leaving for the airport in 4 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ————————————————————

    Erica, stay out of Rick’s Cafe Americain. Rick is bad news. He’ll never amount to a hill of beans.

    Signed.

    Captain Louis Renault

    ***********

    Duly noted :-)

  6. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    MLB Network named the Red Sox the Team of the Decade and the Yankees the Franchise of the Decade. Can you tell me how to differentiate that? I guess the Yankees winning more games, more pennants and Division titles and just as many World Series as Boston wasnt good enough for the MLB Network.

  7. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Good Luck and Happy New yEAR!

    If you don’t get on that plane you’ll regret it, maybe not now maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life

  8. EricVA December 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    “God damned Luis Gonzalez! Without the juice, that’s an infield pop up!!”

    JoeyA…it still was!

  9. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    You wore blue
    the Germans wore grey

  10. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    I think the 2004 team has to rank dead last, for obvious reasons.

  11. NYYk9005 December 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Can’t argue with that, except maybe have ’04 a little higher. They were involved in an epic collapse, but a lot of fluke events had to fall into play for that to happen. Furthermore, they went to an ALCS Game 7 vs one of the best teams of the decade as opposed to 2006, 2007 teams who lost in the ALDS to teams that didn’t even win the WS.

  12. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    GB, thanks! I’m looking forward to tracking Romine’s progress this year.

    Jerkface, I think people actually underestimate Jeter. For some reason, they think he’s stubborn and unapproachable when they have no basis for thinking same. He’s not a guy to be feared, he’s just a human being. Cashman approached him about his D, Jeter analyzed the situation and he got to work fixing it. That’s a guy that’s receptive to me – I agree with you. I don’t blame him for being annoyed when mediots approach him with “proof” of his poor defensive play as if THEY have any clue. He has a great relationship with the Yankees and he takes what they have to say seriously. That’s sufficient for me.

  13. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Wow Sam and Chad never rest.

  14. NYYk9005 December 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    2001 had the potential to be the best baseball postseason in NYY history.

    Post- 9/11…
    2-0 ALDS comeback with the flip…
    Won the ALCS in 5 games vs a record breaking 116 win Mariners team…
    Most dramatic World Series in MLB history with the heroics in Games 4 and 5…

    That damn error + bloop single!

  15. Tim N. December 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Actually, if Ruben Sierra drives in the go-ahead runner on third with one out in the ninth inning of Game Four, Yanks win the ’03 series. Was remembering that when Alex came up in nearly exactly the same spot in Game 4 with Damon on third this year.

  16. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Sam, might you do a post on FAVORITE WS teams? I think that would be interesting as well.

    Good thread, by the way.

    The only problem with 2001 was that they got blown out in every game except the ones they won. I remember most thinking that the D-Backs were really the much better team in that series aside from a few HRs off of Kim.

  17. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    2001 was some kind of life lesson – I’ll let you know when I find out which kind.

  18. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “MLB Network named the Red Sox the Team of the Decade”

    is this for real?

  19. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Good Luck and Happy New yEAR!

    If you don’t get on that plane you’ll regret it, maybe not now maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life

    *********

    Thanks Uncle E-

    If you don’t mind please take a few minutes to join me in a silent prayer for “Jackpot!” :-)

  20. rconn23 December 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Seeing the list reminds you why Billy Beane’s “the playoffs are a crapshoot” theory is all the more apt.

    The Yankees were the best team in baseball in 2002. Easily.

    So, as Sam pointed out, that result was a massive dissapointment.

    The Red Sox were a better team than the Yankees in 2003 and 2004.

    While the collapse of the Yankees in 2004 can’t be minimized, they simply weren’t the better team that year.

    In 2002, they should have won it all.

    Good list, Sam.

  21. rconn23 December 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    The fight the 2001 team went out with was truly amazing.

    That team had no business winning that series. I believe they hit .187 as a team and Schilling and Johnson just dominated the hitters.

    Yet, they found a way to stretch it to 7 games. Want to talk about a team having nothing to be ashamed of, that team exemplified it.

  22. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    First let me preface my post by saying there are no rumors that the Yankees will trade for Choo, this is just an interesting topic to discuss.

    Choo is a good, young, cost-controlled player but he isn’t worth Montero and Chamberlain. Maybe Chamberlain alone but even then I’d expect some prospects back in addition to Choo.

    Choo is a very good hitter but he’s not a great defensive player. He’s not awful but he is definitely below average – and this is in LF and RF. Great arm but poor range.

    He’s an elite hitter but I don’t think he’ll end up being better than Montero once Montero reaches his peak.

  23. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Erica-have a great trip! :) Remind me-which night is LOVE and which night is Bette?

  24. Tom B December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Uncle E, the lesson was if you take steroids, you can hit broken bat singles out of the infield.

  25. crawdaddy December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    “MLB Network named the Red Sox the Team of the Decade and the Yankees the Franchise of the Decade. Can you tell me how to differentiate that? I guess the Yankees winning more games, more pennants and Division titles and just as many World Series as Boston wasnt good enough for the MLB Network.”

    What a copout by the MLB Network!

  26. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Brad Pitt is playing Billy Beane in the movie version Moneyball – is this old news?

  27. RS December 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    I like the list, but it’s interesting to note that even with the 11 additional postseason wins, the 2000 team had one of the worst overall winning %’s of Yankee teams this decade. The fact that they beat the Mets makes up for it, though, because that in itself generated a ton of excitement.

  28. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Neyer named the Yankees the team of the decade.

  29. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth,

    Yes it is old news.

  30. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Erin
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Erica-have a great trip! Remind me-which night is LOVE and which night is Bette?

    ******

    Bette is tomorrow night (NYE) and Love is Friday!

  31. Matt December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Let’s get real. Boston has to do a four-peat just to pass the Cardinals for 2nd place on the World Championship list.
    If Boston gets any recognition in this decade it’s for becoming a Johnnie-come-lately after 86 years of futility.

  32. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Tom B
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Uncle E, the lesson was if you take steroids, you can hit broken bat singles out of the infield.

    We’ll always have 2008
    and 2000
    and 1999
    and 1998
    and 1996
    and 1978, 77………

  33. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    The ’04 team, in the end, embarassed the franchise like no other in history. For that they deserve to be last. No one cares that they won 101 games. They were the only team in professional sports history to blow a 4 -0 series lead.

    How good can a team be when they had to rely on John Lieber and Kevin Brown in Games 6 and 7? The bullpen consisted of sore armed Javier Vasquez,Tanyon Sturtze, Felix Heredia,Esteban Loiza and the biggest choker of all Tom Gordon.

    101 regular season wins meant crap.That team wasn’t good enough to win, period.

  34. blake December 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    stuckey, to answer your hypothetical question from the previous thread.. if that is in fact the budget and signing Holliday would prevent them from signing Mauer or cliff Lee or Felix or whoever else then they shouldn’t sign him. However that budget would only allow them to sign one of those players anyway and in reality we don’t know if any of them will be available. In addition to that the outfield would still be an issue. Its hard to answer questions like that when we don’t know what their financial flexibility really is. The facts are that if they do nothing else this winter then the team will likely have deficiencies in LF and starting pitching just like they had this year. Fixing one of those problems now cuts those deficiencies in half and reduces the needs next winter. The Yankees are loaded with Catching talent and you could argue that even if Mauer does become a free agent they would be better served spending their money in areas where they are weak throughout the system like outfield. As I’ve said if Holliday doesn’t fit in the budget or they don’t want to do it because it would prevent them from signing Cliff Lee or making a move for Felix in the future then I’m fine with that, but if thats the case then they had better be fine with Gardner types in LF for the next few years because that budget isn’t going to allow upgrading the outfield and signing those players too.

  35. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Brad Pitt is playing Billy Beane in the movie version Moneyball – is this old news?

    *************************
    is that movie still happening? I thought I remembered hearing that they had pulled the plug on it a while ago.

  36. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    2000 team gets a bad rap for a brutal closing three weeks. On 9/14/2000 they were 84-59 and up 9 games, a lead that was never in jeopardy, with a run differential of +150. They inexplicably took a few weeks off from baseball at the point, closing 3-15 and being outscored by an incredible 89 runs over that period.

    But they were back when they needed to be enroute to #26.
    That was a very good team, guilty of taking a vacation at garbage time.

  37. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    saucY
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    “MLB Network named the Red Sox the Team of the Decade”

    is this for real?

    ————————————————————

    MLB only named the 2004 Red Sox as the Team Of The Decade. They named the Yankees as the “Franchise Of The Decade”.

    It’s better than the ESPN idiots who named the Red sox. Their reason was because they ended the 86 year drought.

  38. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    I missed that one.
    Always wanted to see Liar’s Poker made into a movie

  39. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    saucY
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    “MLB Network named the Red Sox the Team of the Decade”

    “is this for real?”

    Yes, I saw it on their Hot Stove show that was repeated this morning.

  40. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
    Erin
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Erica-have a great trip! Remind me-which night is LOVE and which night is Bette?

    ******

    Bette is tomorrow night (NYE) and Love is Friday

    *********************
    Awesome. Once you see Love, I guarantee you’ll want to see it again. I saw it two years ago, and I’m dying to go back and see it.

  41. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    “How good can a team be when they had to rely on John Lieber and Kevin Brown in Games 6 and 7?”

    Leave Lieber alone. He had a pretty solid ALCS.

  42. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Who cares about all of this “team of the decade” nonsense? It doesn’t bother me if ESPN or whomever says the Red Sox were the best team in the decade. The fact is, the Yankees are the current reigning world series Champs. They are also the favorite to win it all next year. That’s all I care about right now

  43. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Erin
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Brad Pitt is playing Billy Beane in the movie version Moneyball – is this old news?

    *************************
    is that movie still happening? I thought I remembered hearing that they had pulled the plug on it a while ago.

    ********

    I heard the same thing- apparently they wanted to make Billy Beane a much bigger stud than he actually is (note- not a stud in a baseball way, if you catch my drift)

  44. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    I can see them giving kudos the the 2004 Red Sox. That one team can be said to be the team of the decade for kicking our butts like no ever has before. But it should end there. The rest of the Red Sox teams in the last decade pale in comparison the the Yankees. Heck, the Yankees beat the ’07 Sox 11 of the last 14 times they played.

  45. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Patrick

    Who cares about all of this “team of the decade” nonsense?
    __

    It’s not about caring. It’s about filling a news vacuum.

  46. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    2001 was so disappointing because it looked like the baseball gods were lined up for the Yankees until the last second. But, because of the excitement and renewal that team gave the home fans in that WS, it can never be a bad year.

    2003 I always excuse, though I know I should not, because I always considered the series with the Red Sox as the REAL world series. Two incredible teams, truly and literally fighting it out. I felt they were expended and the WS was a let-down (for me; I doubt the team felt that way).

    2004 – Ouch. Just ouch.

    2002 – Wasn’t that the yeara of David Wells’ back issues? Or am I misremembering? I do recall being incredibly disappointed that year, but no differently than from 2006 and 2007.

    2006 – Murderers Row and then Cano. Not so much, huh?

    2007 – I thought that team had fought hard to get to the playoffs and that it would prevail, especially since they faced Cleveland, whose number they had all year. But once the darn midges showed up, you knew it wasn’t going to go their way.

    2008 – Could have been worse, if you ask me.

  47. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    “I heard the same thing- apparently they wanted to make Billy Beane a much bigger stud than he actually is (note- not a stud in a baseball way, if you catch my drift)”

    I’m pretty sure the first draft of the script was leaked on the internet. I remember a scene where Billy Beane picks up a waitress and brings her back to his hotel or something like that.

    It actually seemed like a pretty decent script, I’d go watch moneyball if it ever got made.

  48. DaSaint007 December 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    27 and counting…
    That’s good enough for me.

  49. Drive 4- 5 December 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Frank
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
    “How good can a team be when they had to rely on John Lieber and Kevin Brown in Games 6 and 7?”

    Leave Lieber alone. He had a pretty solid ALCS.

    Unfortunately, Lieber gave up 4 runs in the 4th inning of Game 6 and the Yanks never recovered.

  50. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Well the IMDB entry looks updated.

  51. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    I really don’t have a huge problem if they called the Yankees and Red Sox co-teams of the decade. They both won the same # of WS, and they both dominated the baseball landscape for the decade – the two most consistently exciting teams to watch. The two most likely teams to be on baseball games of the week on whichever television station.

    Cinderella teams are compelling (Rays, Rockies), but only on a single year basis. The Yanks/Red Sox rivalry has staying power.

  52. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I want to know how they’re making a movie out of a concept?

  53. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Doreen, 2003 was “The Year Of The Back”. I still think that NYY was fortunate to get where they got in 2004 with Mussina and a patched together rotation and bullpen of ancient mariners.

  54. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    He went home with a waitress the way he always do
    how was he to know she was with the Yankees toO!

  55. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Well the IMDB entry looks updated.

    *************************
    You’re right. Looks like it’s happening

  56. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Betsy,
    Thats not true. They lost in the ninth inning with that Gonzalez blooper. So it wasnt all blowout loses.

    I do agree that the 04 team was the worst. They should have fired Torre and half the team that year. I still dont know whats worst. Losing in the ninth inning in 01 or blowing a 3 game lead in 04 to the hated ones. While giving them their first title in a million years.

  57. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    I want to know how they’re making a movie out of a concept?

    ————————————————————

    I was trying to think of a smart aleck remark, but, I came up a dry well.

  58. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Thanks GreenBeret7. the 2004 team makes more sense. i was thinking collectively from 2000-2009, in which case that wouldn’t make any sense.

  59. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    GB7 -

    Thanks. What the heck happened in 2002? I kind of remember Mussina pitching the first game? It’s funny, the game he pitched is the one I remember, but only in terms of it was an afternoon game and I was driving and I can remember the shopping mall I went to. I don’t remember anything else. How bad is that?????

  60. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Doreen Soderbergh had the same concerns

    Wiki
    It was announced a movie is set to come out in 2011 based on the book. Actor Brad Pitt is attached to play Billy Beane, while comedian Demetri Martin is attached to play Paul DePodesta.[3] Academy Award-winning screenwriter Steve Zaillian has been signed to write the script, and Steven Soderbergh will direct (replacing David Frankel).[4] “I want you to not realize how much information is being thrown at you,” says Soderbergh, when asked how he was going to make a film based on statistics entertaining. “We’ve found a couple of ideas on how to bust the form a bit, in order for all that information to reach you in a way that’s a little oblique[5].” Scott Hatteberg, David Justice, and Art Howe will play themselves in the movie.[6]

    On June 22, 2009, because of conflicts over a revised script by director Soderbergh, Sony put the movie on hold just days before it was scheduled to begin shooting.[7] Soderbergh’s script called for interviews of real-life players and other methods untraditional to sports movies. As a result, Soderbergh was let go.

  61. blake December 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    That makes no sense. The Yankees won the same amount of WS, more pennants, more games, more division titles, only missed the post season once.. Its not really even close.

  62. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    “Unfortunately, Lieber gave up 4 runs in the 4th inning of Game 6 and the Yanks never recovered.”

    True. Lieber did recover though. I believe he went seven that night after beating them 3-1 in Game 2. He had a good series.

  63. becca December 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    MLB Network named the 2004 Red Sox their best individual team of the decade (2009 Yankees were #2, 2000 Yankees were on there) and the Yankees as the best franchise. There’s pretty much no argument that the Yankees were the franchise of the decade (though MLBN’s analysts tried to say that it was the Twins because of their farm system and that “nobody has come out of the Yankees farm system since Posada”*… um okayyyy. Get back to me when they win a pennant.) and I can accept that the 2004 Red Sox were the best individual team, though I actually think the 2007 Red Sox were better and the ’04 Sox didn’t even win their division. I know MLBN is all about being equal and giving every team attention, but I don’t see how you can’t award the only team with 100+ wins, a division title, and a WS championship the best individual team of the decade. But, whatevs. I’m biased. ;)

    * Except Robinson Cano, Alfonso Soriano, Chien-Ming Wang, Ted Lilly…

  64. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    saucY
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    Thanks GreenBeret7. the 2004 team makes more sense. i was thinking collectively from 2000-2009, in which case that wouldn’t make any sense.

    ————————————————————

    Harold Reynolds and Joe Magrane disagreed, thinking that it should have been the Twins, because of what they do for less money. They didn’t bother to explain that they had trouble keeping their best players, though.

  65. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    GB7 -

    Thanks. What the heck happened in 2002? I kind of remember Mussina pitching the first game? It’s funny, the game he pitched is the one I remember, but only in terms of it was an afternoon game and I was driving and I can remember the shopping mall I went to. I don’t remember anything else. How bad is that?????

    ————————————————————

    The Angels pitching staff happened. That was enough.

  66. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    The producers of Moneyball should look at the show “Numbers”

    I hope it does well. But I can’t see this film making much money.

  67. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Does the decade start in 00 or 01?

    When is the movie on Cashman called “STEALTHINATOR” coming out?

  68. Tom on N.J. December 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    The Yankees, Phillies, Cardinals and Red Sox played in all but two (’02 and ’05) of the World Series’ this decade.

  69. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
    The producers of Moneyball should look at the show “Numbers”

    I hope it does well. But I can’t see this film making much money.

    ******************************
    Never underestimate the appeal of Brad Pitt ;)

  70. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Does the decade start in 00 or 01?

    When is the movie on Cashman called “STEALTHINATOR” coming out?

    ******************************
    LOL

  71. upstate kate December 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Drive 4-5
    are you talking about one individual year in the decade? If so, I guess I could see the ’04 sox b/c it was such a comeback. The show I saw on mlb last night had the Yankees as the overall team of the decade.

    Erica
    have a great trip :)

    GB7
    hope you are still smoke free…or we will have to send Nurse Karloff after you…

  72. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
    The producers of Moneyball should look at the show “Numbers”

    I hope it does well. But I can’t see this film making much money.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think I’ll need to see it. The children of Bill James will be on the board to extoll the value of low hits and high walk totals.

  73. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Does the decade start in 00 or 01?

    please don’t start that again.

    For POP Culture Purposes it started in 2000.

    I think the decade started on 9/11
    just like the 80s ended when the Wall came down
    and the 30s didnt’ end until we entered WWII
    but’s thats just me

  74. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    The Angels pitching staff happened. That was enough.

    ===========

    I have to disagree GB7. I believe the Halos broke a record for the highest team batting avg. in the playoffs or that playoff series. I want to say .370 team avg.. They didnt miss a pitch.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    upstate kate
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
    Drive 4-5
    are you talking about one individual year in the decade? If so, I guess I could see the ‘04 sox b/c it was such a comeback. The show I saw on mlb last night had the Yankees as the overall team of the decade.

    Erica
    have a great trip

    GB7
    hope you are still smoke free…or we will have to send Nurse Karloff after you…

    ————————————————————

    I would have still been smoke-free Kate, if my brother hadn’t help me dow, tied me up and shoved a cigarette in my mouth….the filthy animal.

  76. Laura • I'm ready for baseball! December 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Anyone picking the Twins is just a Yankees hater. The Twins are a good organization, but they never win so that kinda negates it.

  77. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    “The fight the 2001 team went out with was truly amazing.

    That team had no business winning that series. I believe they hit .187 as a team and Schilling and Johnson just dominated the hitters.”

    Didn’t stop with Schilling and Johnson. They could only reach Brian Anderson for 2 runs in six innings in Clemen’s 2-1 Game 3 win and were shutout for 8 innings by Batista in Game 5. Yankees scored 5 runs off of Kim in 3 1/3 that series and 9 runs in 61 2/3 innings off the rest of the D’backs (including 3 in 23 innings off of guys not named Schilling or Johnson).

    It was amazing how the Yankees willed themselves to win some of those games though. Three games at the Stadium were nothing short of magnificent.

  78. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    The 70s ended and the 80s started when Reagan took office

  79. Flores December 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Patrick
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
    Who cares about all of this “team of the decade” nonsense? It doesn’t bother me if ESPN or whomever says the Red Sox were the best team in the decade. The fact is, the Yankees are the current reigning world series Champs. They are also the favorite to win it all next year. That’s all I care about right now
    ==================

    Word.

  80. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
    The Angels pitching staff happened. That was enough.

    ===========

    I have to disagree GB7. I believe the Halos broke a record for the highest team batting avg. in the playoffs or that playoff series. I want to say .370 team avg.. They didnt miss a pitch.

    ————————————————————

    You’re right, of course. I just didn’t want to bring up how bad the Yankee pitching staff stunk.

  81. John O December 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Interesting poll. I think you put 2004 a little bit too low. Despite that end result being one of the worst moments of my life, that team overall was pretty good, and was a rivera save away from being in the world series, which is more than can be said for ’06, ’02, or ’07.

  82. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    GB7

    “I don’t think I’ll need to see it. The children of Bill James will be on the board to extoll the value of low hits and high walk totals.”

    That’s not the theme of Moneyball.

  83. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “You’re right, of course. I just didn’t want to bring up how bad the Yankee pitching staff stunk.”

    Two teams combined to score 56 runs in a 4 game series. Lot of stench on both pitching staffs in that series.

  84. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Rich do think they can make an entertaining movie from it?

    BTW GB was kidding (I think)

  85. stuckey December 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    “stuckey, to answer your hypothetical question from the previous thread.. if that is in fact the budget and signing Holliday would prevent them from signing Mauer or cliff Lee or Felix or whoever else then they shouldn’t sign him.”

    Which illustrates my original premise. I’m not discounting your OTHER arguments for wanting to sign Holliday, I’m simply saying the underlying premise is the Yankees don’t have any real cap on spending.

    “Its hard to answer questions like that when we don’t know what their financial flexibility really is.”

    But it IS appropriate to consider these question when the Yankees are in fact saying outright budget is an issue.

    “The facts are that if they do nothing else this winter then the team will likely have deficiencies in LF and starting pitching just like they had this year.”

    This is one of my problems with the language often used in these discussions.

    “Deficient” is a comparative qualitative term. It requires a modifier. The Yankees starting pitcher is “deficient” as compared to or in relation to what?

    The starting pitching of the teams it needs to compete against, or a fan’s idea of what it should be? I have a very hard time concluding the Yankees starting pitching is “deficient” when using comparable starting pitching (even limiting it to likely playoff teams) as the modifier.

    I’d say the same for LF, because the term “LF” itself is misleading. Gardner is not a deficient left fielder. And he’s really not a deficient #9 hitter.

    He’s “deficient” when you very specifically modify left fielder as being someone who HAS to be a middle of the order run producer. But you DON’T have to do that.

    The Yankees don’t lose any points for having their LF bat where most teams 2B, SS or C do.

    I GET that yes, if they had a more prototypical offensive LF, they’d be THAT much stronger. That’s indisputable logic, but that doesn’t make it a DEFICIENCY.

    “As I’ve said if Holliday doesn’t fit in the budget or they don’t want to do it because it would prevent them from signing Cliff Lee or making a move for Felix in the future then I’m fine with that”

    And this was my point. I just think those of you who would be fine with that might have to seriously consider that this might actually be the case, and Cashman is making a tough decision but going the way you’d just said you think he should go.

  86. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I think the 2003 team was better than the 2001 team.
    —————————————————

    Crawdaddy:

    I agree wholeheartedly. The 2001 version featured a 3 man pitching staff, a gaping whole in LF, a rookie 2B having a decent year, an subpar production at DH, and Paul O’Neill’s final year.
    Conversely, the 2003 version’s pitching staff went a solid 4 deep in addition to Contreras. The bullpen went arguably 5-6 deep and the lineups biggest concerns were an aging Willlims in CF and a platoon in RF.
    Ironically enough, if the 2001 version would have won the WS, its performance would have strikingly similar to the 1960 Pirates who were throttled in the WS in the games they lost but managed to win 4 close games for the title.

    As for hammering the 2004 version for failing to win the ALDS or get to the WS, I think it is hardly fair to dismiss how good of team that it actually was merely because it failed to come out victorious in a small such a small sample of games. I believe that it is arguable that several of the teams of the early 2000′s (2003, 2004, maybe 2002) were better than the 1996 Yankees, a team that I enjoyed rooting for but am not so near-sighted to believe that they were better than the 1996 Braves.

  87. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    GB When do you think “the 60s” ended (in the United States)
    I think they went well into the 1970s
    Nixon Resignation?
    US pulls out of Vietnam?
    Ron Bloomberg?

  88. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    “Rich do think they can make an entertaining movie from it?”

    I think so, although it will probably only appeal to a limited audience, unless they can work some smokin’ hot women into the plot. ;)

  89. becca December 30th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    “Ironically enough, if the 2001 version would have won the WS, its performance would have strikingly similar to the 1960 Pirates who were throttled in the WS in the games they lost but managed to win 4 close games for the title.”

    And the ’96 Yankees, who were outscored, outhit, and had a higher team ERA than the ’96 Braves in that Series (the single thing that made the difference was probably the bullpen and the fact that in Game 5, the Yankees got the ONE hit they needed to get home a run and the Braves couldn’t do that).

  90. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    LOL MLB network tried to get away with the Twins as the franchise of the decade? They also play in a horrible division – please.

    Were the 2004 Sox better than the 2009 Yankees or were they picked #1 just because of the comeback? The 2009 Yankees were a hell of a team – you don’t play much better than they did since the ASB. Even before then, they were very hot, with just that 3 game skid against the Angels (this was after the Cash trip to Atlanta).

  91. nathan December 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Well, in 2003 we were a bust because Joe Torre put Weaver in there… how come he never gets mentioned when something goes sour.. like every post season except 00 and 01 this decade..

    pitiful

  92. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Also, I can’t believe I messed up with my post about all D-Back wins being blowouts. I guess I pushed game 7 so far into my subconscious that I truly did forget about it…..

  93. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    technically the decade ends after 2010. but everyone seems to make there ‘end of decade’ lists when the ***9 years are coming to a close…

  94. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    And the ‘96 Yankees, who were outscored, outhit, and had a higher team ERA than the ‘96 Braves in that Series (the single thing that made the difference was probably the bullpen and the fact that in Game 5, the Yankees got the ONE hit they needed to get home a run and the Braves couldn’t do that).
    ——————————————————-

    Becca:

    You fully illustrate the point that a relatively short post-season series(s) doesn’t necessarily prove who the best team is. However, they sure are a helluva lot of fun.

  95. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I don’t get how the Yankees have a deficiency in SP…..I suspect when Holliday signs elsewhere, there are going to be some very bitter fans.

  96. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    “Rich do think they can make an entertaining movie from it?”

    I think so, although it will probably only appeal to a limited audience, unless they can work some smokin’ hot women into the plot.
    don’t quote me but I think the Moneyball Demographic Men 25 – 60 ish go to the movies the least of all groups -

  97. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    GB and other old timers,
    My kids got a Delorean for christmas from grandma. So i showed them the 80′s classic Back to the Future movie. Fox tried to open a soda pop by twisting it and Mcfly had to open it for him at a gas station near the pump. Was there places besides the stores you purchased the pop to open them? Sidewalks? Was there Coke and Pepsi in the 50′s?

  98. Jerkface December 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I haven’t yet looked at Jeters slumps but I want to address the idea that this is all work in hindsight. The only hindsight evaluation is on who could have possibly replaced Jeter for those stretches of time. Any time jeter hurt his wrist, I would have sat him for more than a day. He got hit on the hand all the time. And many times it was plainly evident how bad he was hurting. He’d grimace on every swing and his power was gone.

    Thats not really hindsight.

  99. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    The same type of audience that go to baseball games just to watch Jeter(not knowing anything about the game), not watch play, just watch. Will go see Brad Pitt hoping for a shirtless scene while crunching the numbers.

  100. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    SoS
    A little before my era but
    Bottle openers were everywhere and you would also learn cool ways to open you pops or beers without one (like a bic today)

  101. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Delorean totally 80s!
    a model I suppose

  102. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    John DeLorean has a fairly interesting life story.

  103. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Oakland has just designated a lefty reliever, Jay Marshall for assignment. He’s 26 year old. He’s worth a look.

  104. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Did’t he work on the Shelby with Shelby?

    he helped on some iconic car (besides his namesake)

  105. Frank December 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    “Well, in 2003 we were a bust because Joe Torre put Weaver in there… how come he never gets mentioned when something goes sour”

    Still don’t entirely blame him for that. Weaver crusied thru the heart of their order on 8 pitches in the 11th and had 8/9/1 coming up. I saw some merit in seeing if Weaver could get past those guys after dispatching 5/6/7 so easily then putting the ball in Mariano’s hand, whether with a lead or not, to face the Marlins 2/3/4 guys. Plus the Yankees spittin’ the bit with one out and the bases jammed in the top of the 11th was part of the story too.

  106. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Oh the GTO!

  107. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    GB and other old timers,
    My kids got a Delorean for christmas from grandma. So i showed them the 80’s classic Back to the Future movie. Fox tried to open a soda pop by twisting it and Mcfly had to open it for him at a gas station near the pump. Was there places besides the stores you purchased the pop to open them? Sidewalks? Was there Coke and Pepsi in the 50’s?

    ————————————————————

    Sure of course they did. Believe it or not, “back in the day”, they even had horses and these round things. I think I remember somebody calling them wheels or something.

  108. Jerkface December 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    After being hit on the wrist by a pitch, Jeter went a month hitting .270/.330/.360/.700. I think that a guy like Ramiro Pena could have put up a similiarly bad line for a week, and if Jeter had healed up more in that week the rest of his month could have gone differently.

    I don’t want to replace Derek Jeter, I just want him to allow his body to get healthier.

    Its where some guys just need a day off but they never take it, and end up not healing or taking a lot longer to heal. Jeter’s 2008 might have been a lot better if they sat him for just a little bit.

    This, of course, all depends on the injury, how long it takes to heal, etc.

  109. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Did they only make the Delorean in silver? Thats the only color iv ever seen them in. If so, is there some personal story about that?

  110. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Did they only make the Delorean in silver? Thats the only color iv ever seen them in. If so, is there some personal story about that?

    no paint – all stainless steel

    That’s awesome

  111. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    GB7

    “I don’t think I’ll need to see it. The children of Bill James will be on the board to extoll the value of low hits and high walk totals.”

    That’s not the theme of Moneyball.

    ————————————————————

    Personally, I don’t give a rat’s behind. Both subjects are as useless as — on a bull as far as I’m concerned.

  112. NYY626 December 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Erica – I saw Bette in Vegas last year and she was amazing. HAVE A GREAT TIME!

    Personally, I didn’t care that we lost the WS in 2003. The ALCS was 500x more exciting. I can still remember everything I was doing during every inning of game 7. Like Doreen said I’m sure they players will disagree…

    As for 2001, that was the first( and only?) time I ever cried over a baseball game (I was too drunk to cry in 2004 and I cried when Jetes broke the hit record but that was a different kind of crying :) ). I couldn’t believe we lost. I was 16 years old and I all I knew was that the yankees were supposed to win the world series every year. Looking back, the loss is not as painful beacause those 3 games in the stadium were truly amazing.

  113. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Sure of course they did. Believe it or not, “back in the day”, they even had horses and these round things. I think I remember somebody calling them wheels or something.

    =======

    lol. I thought they started out with square things and donkeys.
    My bad. I just watched the movie “Year One” and wasnt sure if it was back in the 50′s. There was a scene where the are on a carriage for the first time and they are going about 2 miles per hour throwing there hands up like its a roller coaster ride. Once they it stopped. They threw up. Hillarious.

    What was everyones first car they ever had? Mine was a Javolin(not even sure who makes it) that in never drove and switched to a 280 zx.

  114. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Jerkface makes a good point. A portion of what may have seemed like Jeter’s decline was really the result of playing with injuries, which didn’t serve his or the team’s best interests. If he hadn’t been an iconic player, it may have cost him his job.

  115. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    GB When do you think “the 60s” ended (in the United States)
    I think they went well into the 1970s
    Nixon Resignation?
    US pulls out of Vietnam?
    Ron Bloomberg?

    ————————————————————

    I spent less than 6 months total in the States from late 1967 through 1973. I didn’t see much of that era.

  116. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    GB7

    “Personally, I don’t give a rat’s behind. Both subjects are as useless as — on a bull as far as I’m concerned”

    I love it when you talk dirty.

    Jeez, dude, you’re walking contradiction. You are very well versed on some areas of the game, but on others, it’s as if facts be damned.

  117. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    I spent less than 6 months total in the States from late 1967 through 1973. I didn’t see much of that era.

    So I’ll say the Sixties ended when you got back.
    1973 is also the year they ended the draft

  118. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    Sure of course they did. Believe it or not, “back in the day”, they even had horses and these round things. I think I remember somebody calling them wheels or something.

    =======

    lol. I thought they started out with square things and donkeys.
    My bad. I just watched the movie “Year One” and wasnt sure if it was back in the 50’s. There was a scene where the are on a carriage for the first time and they are going about 2 miles per hour throwing there hands up like its a roller coaster ride. Once they it stopped. They threw up. Hillarious.

    What was everyones first car they ever had? Mine was a Javolin(not even sure who makes it) that in never drove and switched to a 280 zx.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. Never ask me a question that is left open for a smart asz remark.

    My first car was a 1957 Impala convertable…black with red interior and white top.

    American Motors made the Javolin. It was their answer to the Mustang and Camero.

  119. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    GB7

    “Personally, I don’t give a rat’s behind. Both subjects are as useless as — on a bull as far as I’m concerned”

    I love it when you talk dirty.

    Jeez, dude, you’re walking contradiction. You are very well versed on some areas of the game, but on others, it’s as if facts be damned.

    ————————————————————

    Your kind of “facts” don’t interest me. I’ll go by what I see.

  120. Abdababdaserser December 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    The DeLorean was most commonly made in the natural stainless steel finish, but there were some that were painted. They still had the stainless steel under the paint.

    His thought was that the stainless wouldn’t rust out and therefore last far longer.

  121. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    I spent less than 6 months total in the States from late 1967 through 1973. I didn’t see much of that era.

    So I’ll say the Sixties ended when you got back.
    1973 is also the year they ended the draft

    ————————————————————

    I just kept extending my tours and took 30 day paid vacations to the States, Kuala Lampur and Australia. Love free flights.

  122. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    GB7

    “Your kind of “facts” don’t interest me. I’ll go by what I see.”

    They aren’t my facts. They are objective data, subject to rebuttal, of course, but facts nonetheless.

  123. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    GB7

    “Personally, I don’t give a rat’s behind. Both subjects are as useless as — on a bull as far as I’m concerned”

    I love it when you talk dirty.

    Jeez, dude, you’re walking contradiction. You are very well versed on some areas of the game, but on others, it’s as if facts be damned.
    ——————————-
    Well said.

  124. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    The `02 Angels and `03 Marlins were juiced out of their minds for the post-season.

  125. rconn23 December 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    “The `02 Angels and `03 Marlins were juiced out of their minds for the post-season.”

    That’s purely conjecture, and you don’t know that either of those Yankees teams weren’t as well.

  126. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    My first car was a 1957 Impala convertable…black with red interior and white top.

    American Motors made the Javolin. It was their answer to the Mustang and Camero.

    ==========

    GB,
    I found the bell air impala. Is that the same thing? I looks like a total chick magnet. Must have been fun going to the movies..I mean drive in in that.

    Wasnt aware of that. The javolin had 400 horsepower i believe but was a heavy car. I assume it didnt fare well vs. those two cars. Therefore they stopped making them.

  127. Nick in SF in Davis, CA December 30th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    I will only see Moneyball if Jeremy Giambi plays himself.

  128. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    Did they only make the Delorean in silver? Thats the only color iv ever seen them in. If so, is there some personal story about that?

    no paint – all stainless steel

    That’s awesome

    ————————————————————

    The one car that I always wanted to own was a AMC Bricklin.

    Beautiful design.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricklin_SV-1

  129. Abdababdaserser December 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    They aren’t my facts. They are objective data, subject to rebuttal, of course, but facts nonetheless.
    __________

    Actually, its data, and as we have seen with this AGW data can and is highly manipulated. The trouble with many of the new stats is that there is subjective portions to it. It isn’t something like Batting Average, which goes by recorded plate appearances and hits.

    Many of the newer stats that are used remove facts (caught the ball) and replace it with opinion (should have caught the ball). Its why there are so many arguments about them. They are subjective data that can’t possibly account for everything that happens or could happen.

  130. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Phil the Thrill
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    The `02 Angels and `03 Marlins were juiced out of their minds for the post-season.
    —————————————
    PED use was probably prevelant on every team in MLB at the time (now?). However, I think certain teams may have been outdoing the rest like the Mariners, Rangers, Diamondbacks, and Padres.
    It really makes identifying who should go into the HOF a muddy debate. Should a writer refrain from including an otherwise qualified candidate off of their ballot for a few years if they strongly suspect the player has been using PED’s until possible further information may come to light (my preferred position)? Or should they vote on whatever solid information they have at their disposal at the time of voting? The proble is of course that once a player is elected, they are always elected. In my opinion, once exposed as a user of PED’s, a voter should refrain from voting for the player forever as a violation of the ethical conduct clause in the selection criteria.

  131. joeman December 30th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Brett Gardner and Jamie Hoffmann in left field..that has a bad sound to it..

  132. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    “Actually, its data…”

    The subject was the theme of Moneyball.

  133. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Was the Bricklin the car that if it was dented, it was filled in rather than pulled out?

  134. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    His thought was that the stainless wouldn’t rust out and therefore last far longer.

    =====

    abda,
    Very interesting. I will pass that along to my kids. Tonight we continue the 80′s marathon with Ferris Buellers Day Off.
    Theyve now watched in the last couple days.
    Back to the Future
    The Outsiders

    Any other 80′s classics sugestions?

  135. Brandon Awesome (B/c Joe/Evan need to STHU you wouldn't have beaten the Colts) December 30th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Doubt that’ll be our LF.

  136. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    GB cool car

  137. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    rconn,

    I actually started keeping track of the players who I thought were juicing in `79. There used to be a website, thought I forget the name of it, that was run by a Marlins fan who was sure the `03 Marlins were juicing and had some really interesting season splits.

    Anyway, back in the loosey goosey days of rampant steroid abuse, the A’s, Angels, Rangers, Red Sox and Indians appeared to be the perrenial champs in the AL.

    Surely, there were Yanks who were using it, Mark Whiten and Shane Spencer come to mind, but it didn’t seem team-wide at any point in time.

  138. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    16 candles
    better off dead
    the sure thing

  139. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    My first car was a 1957 Impala convertable…black with red interior and white top.

    American Motors made the Javolin. It was their answer to the Mustang and Camero.

    ==========

    GB,
    I found the bell air impala. Is that the same thing? I looks like a total chick magnet. Must have been fun going to the movies..I mean drive in in that.

    Wasnt aware of that. The javolin had 400 horsepower i believe but was a heavy car. I assume it didnt fare well vs. those two cars. Therefore they stopped making them.

    ————————————————————

    It was the Bel Air, just the deluxe model. I think the Impalas started in ’58.

  140. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Breakfast Club
    Pretty in Pink
    All the Right Moves
    An Officer and a Gentleman

  141. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    I think my favorite old car is the `67 Camaro RS/LS.

  142. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    so things made in 1967 are old? bummer

    taps

  143. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    It doesn’t get much more 80s than Top Gun

  144. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Thats my second Phil. Cant go wrong with the old cobra.

    Rich,
    Iv been meaning to show them the breakfast club. But its always in the middle of it by the time i notice it. Thats a good one. I dont know about the others(watched officer and a gentleman). Sounds a little to chick flickish.

  145. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    67 Camaro
    featured in better off dead (I think)

  146. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Best `80s movie is Once Upon a Time in America.

  147. Choo on this December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    JoeyA
    December 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    The ‘01 team had so much emotion invested. Sept. 11 sentiments can’t be ignored.

    God damned Luis Gonzalez! Without the juice, that’s an infield pop up!!
    ———————————————————–
    umm, that was an infield pop up with or without steriods – if it wasn’t for joe torre’s stupidity playing the infield in that would have been an easy out…

  148. rconn23 December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Phil,

    My point is, there is no way to know who was juicing – in the absence of positive tests.

    The Yankees best hitter in 2002 was Giambi, by a wide margin.

    He’s confirmed he used steroids.

  149. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Surely, there were Yanks who were using it, Mark Whiten and Shane Spencer come to mind, but it didn’t seem team-wide at any point in time.
    —————————
    Phil:

    Alfonso Soriano?
    Jason Grimsley (admitted)?
    Jorge Posada (I hope not as he is my favorite current Yankee)?
    Roger Clemens?
    Chuck Knoblauch (implicated)?
    Jason Giambi (admitted)?
    Jim Leyritz?
    David Justice (implicated)?
    Randy Velarde (implicated)?
    Gary Sheffield (implicated)?
    Alex Rodriguez (implicated)?
    Kevin Brown?

  150. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    officer and a gentleman

    great but

    not for kids

  151. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Caddyshack
    Stripes
    Ghostbuster
    Local Hero
    Flamingo Kid

  152. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Oooh- Ghostbusters. How did I forget that one???

    It’s the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man!!!!!!!!

    I love that movie so much I have 2 of the DVD sets of Ghostbusters 1 & 2 (don’t ask)

  153. Tim December 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    The 2008 team was better than 2004. At the end of the year, our rotation in 2008 was:

    Mussina
    Pettitte
    Pavano
    Aceves
    Hughes

    2008 Mussina > 2004 Mussina
    2008 Andy 2004 Brown
    2008 Aceves = 2004 El Duque
    2008 Hughes > 2004 Vasquez

    The bullpen was miles better. Rivera had a better year. Joba, Bruney, Coke were lights out that September. Plus we had Marte, Robertson, Veras, Edwar who were better than anything we had in 2004.

    The offenses were close. 2004 was probably better but it could compare with Damon-Jeter-Abreu-ARod-Giambi-Matsui-Cano-Pudge-Gardner, which was what we had in 2008.

    2004 had no business being in the playoffs with that rotation and setup core. They slugged their way to the playoffs, but 2008 had the bullpen and slightly better starters to have more playoff success.

  154. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    S.o.S.,

    Breakfast Club, Bladerunner, Aliens, Beverly Hills Cop, Predator, Rain Man, All 3 indiana Jones movies, Scarface, Stripes, The Terminator, Top Gun, Star Wars ESB and RotJ, Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Ghostbusters 1 and 2, The Goonies, Gremlins, E.T., Bull Durham, Die Hard, Caddyshack, Crocodile Dundee, Conan the Barbarian

    All great movies

    And before you ask, yes I was born in the 80′s :)

  155. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    “not for kids”

    I used a clip of the movie for a psych experiment I did in grad school and my advisor forced me to edit it so it wouldn’t be too “suggestive” (ethical regs being what they are).

  156. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
    GB cool car

    ————————————————————

    I used to see a few of them around, but, not many. I grew up in SW Michigan, about 12 miles from South bend, Indiana. The Studebaker plant was there. Until they closed, they had a sports car called the “Avanti”. That was a beautiful car…completely hand made. When Studebaker closed shop, a couple of guys bought the dies and the name and continued making them for a few years. What a dream machine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_Avanti

  157. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Flamingo Kid

    VERY underappreciated!

  158. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Theyv seen
    E.T.
    all of Stars Wars
    Karate Kid
    Nightmare on Elm Street
    not sure if Young Guns are 80′s(seen both)

  159. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Stand by me

  160. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Avanti – nice

  161. Whatsa Matta U December 30th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    What about a guy like Marcus Thames to platoon in left with Gardy? He could fit into the budget.

  162. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Real Genius was fairly entertaining, as was Starman.

  163. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    rconn, yeah, Giambi is one.

    Remember Adam Kennedy in the 2002 playoffs? Or Troy Glaus or Garrett Anderson, or Troy Percival or Tim Salmon or Brad Fullmer or Brendan Donnelly? That team was a science project.

  164. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Please don’t show Once upon a time in America to your Kids

    brutal scenes (more than mob warfare)

  165. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Joe Vogel
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    Surely, there were Yanks who were using it, Mark Whiten and Shane Spencer come to mind, but it didn’t seem team-wide at any point in time.
    —————————
    Phil:

    Alfonso Soriano?
    Jason Grimsley (admitted)?
    Jorge Posada (I hope not as he is my favorite current Yankee)?
    Roger Clemens?
    Chuck Knoblauch (implicated)?
    Jason Giambi (admitted)?
    Jim Leyritz?
    David Justice (implicated)?
    Randy Velarde (implicated)?
    Gary Sheffield (implicated)?
    Alex Rodriguez (implicated)?
    Kevin Brown?

    ————————————————————

    Posada? Soriano? Where in the Hell was Soriano hiding it? It must have been diet PEDs?

  166. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    wEIRD sCIENCE

  167. Orbit December 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I guess nobody here has seen Reed Johnson

    The guy is the ultimate gamer/grinder. He crashes into walls almost everyday (and that is extremely dangerous in the Wrigley Field ivy), he plays great defense and is always diving for balls and giving up his body…. which could explain his chronic back problems.

    But the guy is a gamer, clutch, and a grinder. He played a big part of the Cubs winning the NL Central in 2008.

    He is a blue collar, lunch pale guy.

  168. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    S.o.S.,

    Breakfast Club, Bladerunner, Aliens, Beverly Hills Cop, Predator, Rain Man, All 3 indiana Jones movies, Scarface, Stripes, The Terminator, Top Gun, Star Wars ESB and RotJ, Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Ghostbusters 1 and 2, The Goonies, Gremlins, E.T., Bull Durham, Die Hard, Caddyshack, Crocodile Dundee, Conan the Barbarian

    All great movies

    And before you ask, yes I was born in the 80’s

    =========

    Seen aliens, Predator, Rainman, Gremlins, all Die Hards, Bull Durham, all terminators. Good stuff Patrick. You sure you werent born in the 80′s?

    Anyone ever see Cloak n Dagger? That was good as a kid.

  169. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    The Princess Bride is a great `80s movie.

  170. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    By the way, MLB network will be airing their 2009 Greatest Walk-Offs tomorrow night; I’m sure there will be a few Yankees games represented. On Friday (I think) they air their Season in Review show.

  171. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    S.o.S. I just said I was born in the 80′s :)

    If you are going for the true 80′s vibe and not just movies that were released in the 80′s I’d suggest:

    Breakfast Club
    Beverly Hills Cop
    Stripes
    Top Gun
    The Goonies
    E.T.

    I’m sure there are a lot more I’m forgetting.

  172. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Field of dreams

  173. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Please don’t show Once upon a time in America to your Kids

    brutal scenes (more than mob warfare)

    =======

    U.E.,
    Theyve seen some bad stuff. Also seen Hamburger Hill and cant remember the other one with Sheen and Dafoe.

  174. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Officer and a Gentleman was a terrific movie..

    TV shows: Silver Spoons, Family Ties

  175. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Posada? Soriano? Where in the Hell was Soriano hiding it? It must have been diet PEDs?
    ———————————–
    GB:

    Where was Palmeiro hiding it? What about Jim “Look at my body” Miller?

  176. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    If you are going for the true 80’s vibe and not just movies that were released in the 80’s

    VERY important distiction

    Repo Man
    Terminator

  177. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I had a huge crush on Emilio Estevez, so I saw Breakfast Club many times, lol

  178. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    The Breakfast Club, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, St. Elmo’s Fire (I love those Brat Pack movies, what can I say?) :)

  179. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    When I listed Once Upon a Time in America, I didn’t realize we were only talking about ones that could be shown to kids.

  180. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    “The guy is the ultimate gamer/grinder.”

    Even against LHP, his ISO D is .065, that’s not really a grinder.

  181. Yanks 78 December 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Did A-Rod look like he was doing steroids? Both physically, or by his increase and subsequent decline in play?

    Not everyone is obvious like Giambi (or Big Papi).

  182. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Palmeiro got huge.

  183. upstate kate December 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    GB7
    you have to watch out for brothers…they don’t always have your best interests at heart.

    SOS
    Animal House-still one of my fav movies- but not really kid appropriate
    lots of good choices from the movies mentioned- Princess Bride, the Indy and Star Wars movies, Ghostbusters

  184. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    U.E.,
    Theyve seen some bad stuff.

    I hope not this bad.
    Please do research before you show it

    it disturbed a 40 yr old jaded movie geek -

  185. Repko December 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Reed Johnson doesn’t walk at all.

    His value is that he hits singles against lefties. But he can’t hit righties. And has no power and no patience.

  186. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Betsy -high on pie
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    I had a huge crush on Emilio Estevez, so I saw Breakfast Club many times, lol

    **********************
    Emilio is very cute, but Andrew McCarthy is my favorite Brat Packer. Granted, I was really young when those movies came out(I believe The Breakfast Club came out the year I was born), but I still have a thing for Andrew!

  187. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Animal House was a ’70s film.

  188. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Animal House is a `70s movie. So’s Star Wars.

  189. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Labrynth is another one i want them to watch.

    Watch all robocops and Rocky’s.

  190. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Erin

    “Andrew McCarthy”

    Weekend at Bernie’s, Mannequin

  191. Tank December 30th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Free agent outfielder Matt Holliday is intent on signing a contract that exceeds the $18 million average salary of a four-year offer he rejected from the Rockies during the 2008 season, according to major-league sources.

    While there were earlier reports that St. Louis has declined to go beyond five years in its guarantee to Holliday, major-league sources indicated on Tuesday that the Cardinals had made a proposal that could reach $140 million over eight years. That is an annual average of $17.5 million, just shy of Holliday’s target.

    Holliday has indicated an interest if the term is reduced to seven years, the sources said, although agent Scott Boras remains focused on an eight-year, $160 million deal, similar to the one the Yankees gave Mark Teixeira a year ago.

    Baltimore, meanwhile, did make an eight-year, $130 million offer to Holliday, and general manager Andy MacPhail did discuss the possibility of arranging a meeting between himself, Orioles owner Peter Angelos and Holliday in Austin, Tex., where Holliday is living in the offseason.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....act-123009

  192. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    Erin

    “Andrew McCarthy”

    Weekend at Bernie’s, Mannequin

    *******************
    I LOVE Weekend at Bernie’s. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Mannequin

  193. Dr Mustard December 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Orbit what planet are you on

    Reed Johnson clutch LOL

  194. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Erin
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Emilio is very cute, but Andrew McCarthy is my favorite Brat Packer. Granted, I was really young when those movies came out(I believe The Breakfast Club came out the year I was born), but I still have a thing for Andrew!

    **********

    I was in love with Jason Bateman on the Hogan Family. LOL

    You should rent Mannequin ASAP

  195. upstate kate December 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Rich and Phil
    yes you are right, Animal House was in ’78…that is close to being an 80s movie from my perspective.

  196. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Rich and Phil
    yes you are right, Animal House was in ‘78…that is close to being an 80s movie from my perspective.

    I respectfully disagree.
    Very 1970s anti establishment

  197. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I was in love with Jason Bateman on the Hogan Family. LOL

    You should rent Mannequin ASAP

    ************************
    I love Jason Bateman too.

    I added Mannequin to my Netflix list. I don’t know how I’ve never seen that movie before! LOL

  198. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Fast TImes at Ridgemont High
    Ultimate 80s movie

  199. Tom on N.J. December 30th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    No Ghostbusters?

  200. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Palmeiro got huge.
    ——————————–
    Phil:

    That’s debatable, but part of the controversy regarding his positive test was not only his actions before a congressional committee but also that he didn’t “appear” to be a steroid user as evidenced by any significant size gain.

    Steroids have come along way since East German female bodybuilders and Mr. Olympic contestants began using them. Sure, weight-gaining steroids like Anadrol and Deca-Durobolin are still around and used, but there are others available that will result in less weight gain and fewer side effects. For example, Alex Rodriguez was using (among other things), Primobolin, an expensive steroid that results in less size. The point is, the face of the steroid user has changed and may not be readily apparent.

  201. Tom on N.J. December 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Gremlins

    Ferris Bueller’s Day Off

  202. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Btw, Ramon Scruggs was the doc who gave roids to all the Angels.

  203. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Tom on N.J.
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    Gremlins

    Ferris Bueller’s Day Off

    mentioned

  204. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    I loved Fast Times (I’ve seen it over 10x)

    I like Neyer, but his fixation on the Yankees’ payroll while ignoring the RS’ payroll is unfortunate:

    http://tinyurl.com/ydcnb77

  205. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    San Diego= Major League pharmaceutical road series

  206. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Wall Street
    48 Hours

  207. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    “yes you are right, Animal House was in ‘78…that is close to being an 80s movie from my perspective.”

    Yeah but it’s more of a 70′s vibe if you ask me. Same with Caddyshack.

  208. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Tom on N.J.
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    Gremlins

    Ferris Bueller’s Day Off

    ************************
    Did you catch Ferris Bueller on TV last night? TCM was doing a tribute to John Hughes, and they picked Ferris as his best movie. I can watch that movie over and over again and not get tired of it.

  209. MTU December 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Off topic:

    Has this been posted ?

    from MLBTR:

    Sources: Holliday sets price point for contract talks
    Tracy Ringolsby

    Updated Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
    “Free agent outfielder Matt Holliday is intent on signing a contract that exceeds the $18 million average salary of a four-year offer he rejected from the Rockies during the 2008 season, according to major-league sources.

    While there were earlier reports that St. Louis has declined to go beyond five years in its guarantee to Holliday, major-league sources indicated on Tuesday that the Cardinals had made a proposal that could reach $140 million over eight years. That is an annual average of $17.5 million, just shy of Holliday’s target.

    Holliday has indicated an interest if the term is reduced to seven years, the sources said, although agent Scott Boras remains focused on an eight-year, $160 million deal, similar to the one the Yankees gave Mark Teixeira a year ago.

    Baltimore, meanwhile, did make an eight-year, $130 million offer to Holliday, and general manager Andy MacPhail did discuss the possibility of arranging a meeting between himself, Orioles owner Peter Angelos and Holliday in Austin, Tex., where Holliday is living in the offseason.

    Boras was not available for comment and has declined requests to discuss negotiations.

    In addition to using the Rockies’ offer as a baseline in his negotiations, Holliday now also has the four-year, $66 million deal that Jason Bay signed with the Mets to use in his contract talks. Bay was considered the second-best offensive player, behind Holliday, available on the free agent market. In addition to the $16.5 million average in his guarantee, Bay’s deal will include an easily attainable vesting option for a fifth year worth more than $14 million, sources say.”

    Interesting about Baltimore.

  210. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Wall Street
    48 Hours

    Very good very 80s

  211. Tom on N.J. December 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Uncle, sorry, was The Lost Boys?

  212. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Also watched
    Plains trains and automobiles and Uncle Buck.

  213. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Did you catch Ferris Bueller on TV last night? TCM was doing a tribute to John Hughes, and they picked Ferris as his best movie. I can watch that movie over and over again and not get tired of it.

    AMen sister

  214. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Dirty Dancing :-)

    Ultimate 1980s schoolgirl movie

  215. Jake December 30th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Will be very disappointed if we don’t get Holliday and sign some bum like Nady or Reed Johnson to play left.

  216. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Tom on N.J.
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
    Uncle, sorry, was The Lost Boys?

    2 Coreys!

    Anyone see Lucas – good movie

  217. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Dirty Dancing

    Ultimate 1980s schoolgirl movie

    iconic 80s movie!

    Footloose
    flashdance
    Vision Quest

  218. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    S.o.S.
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    Also watched
    Plains trains and automobiles and Uncle Buck.

    “I’ve never seen a guy get picked up by his testicles before.”

  219. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    I saw Lucas good movie. Wasnt Rudy in the 80′s as well or late 70′s? They watched Toy Soldiers(i believe it was with the same guy as Rudy).

    No Chick flicks.

  220. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Dirty Dancing

    Ultimate 1980s schoolgirl movie
    ************************
    OMG! How could I forget Dirty Dancing??
    My cousins (who were teenagers when the movie came out) introduced me to DD at a very young age. My parents were less than thrilled, although I honestly didn’t get the whole “backstory” until I was much older. lol

  221. Walrus December 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    “Will be very disappointed if we don’t get Holliday and sign some bum like Nady or Reed Johnson to play left.”

    I suspect a lot of people will agree.

    Gardner is not a regular either…

  222. blake December 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Its interesting to me that these teams would rather tack on years than money… Holliday won’t go to Baltimore unless they just blow everyone else out of the water

  223. Joe December 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Has it been mentioned that the Yankees and Damon are PARTING WAYS???

    And I want Holliday.

  224. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Joe Vogel
    December 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    Posada? Soriano? Where in the Hell was Soriano hiding it? It must have been diet PEDs?
    ———————————–
    GB:

    Where was Palmeiro hiding it? What about Jim “Look at my body” Miller?

    ————————————————————

    You’re really reaching with Posada and Soriano. There’s never even been a hint.

    Crack is hazardous to your health.

  225. Yanks 78 December 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    That pretty much kills our chance ot get Holliday if those offers are legit. A shame… we could have really used him.

  226. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    I saw Lucas good movie. Wasnt Rudy in the 80’s as well or late 70’s? They watched Toy Soldiers(i believe it was with the same guy as Rudy).

    No Chick flicks.

    Samwise Gamgee (Sean Astin)

    Rudy was a 90s film I think but a testament to the film that you think 70s as it was set in the seventies

    See Taps if you liked Toy Soldiers
    Tim Hutton
    Penn
    Cruise
    George c Scott
    Ronny Cox
    Under appreciated

  227. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/R…ontract-123009

    Free agent outfielder Matt Holliday is intent on signing a contract that exceeds the $18 million average salary of a four-year offer he rejected from the Rockies during the 2008 season, according to major-league sources.

    While there were earlier reports that St. Louis has declined to go beyond five years in its guarantee to Holliday, major-league sources indicated on Tuesday that the Cardinals had made a proposal that could reach $140 million over eight years. That is an annual average of $17.5 million, just shy of Holliday’s target.

    Holliday has indicated an interest if the term is reduced to seven years, the sources said, although agent Scott Boras remains focused on an eight-year, $160 million deal, similar to the one the Yankees gave Mark Teixeira a year ago.

    Baltimore, meanwhile, did make an eight-year, $130 million offer to Holliday, and general manager Andy MacPhail did discuss the possibility of arranging a meeting between himself, Orioles owner Peter Angelos and Holliday in Austin, Tex., where Holliday is living in the offseason.

    Boras was not available for comment and has declined requests to discuss negotiations.

    In addition to using the Rockies’ offer as a baseline in his negotiations, Holliday now also has the four-year, $66 million deal that Jason Bay signed with the Mets to use in his contract talks. Bay was considered the second-best offensive player, behind Holliday, available on the free agent market. In addition to the $16.5 million average in his guarantee, Bay’s deal will include an easily attainable vesting option for a fifth year worth more than $14 million, sources say.

    ***********
    Wow, Baltimore? 8 years for Holliday? That’s crazy……. Tex at least plays 1B, a less demanding position than LF. Holy……

  228. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Has it been mentioned that the Yankees and Damon are PARTING WAYS???

    ========

    Your the first to crack the story.
    I hope we can get past Damon now and go after a real left fielder. One who can catch pop ups and throw harder than a 5th grader.

  229. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Buster_ESPN

    Well-placed source on report that Orioles offered Holliday 8/$130 mill.: “The story is not accurate in any respect.”
    9 minutes ago from web

  230. vtred December 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Holliday should sign a 1 yr deal with STL and try again next yr….

    Perhaps the Yanks will realize the errors of their ways after a year with Gardner/Reed Johnson/Nady in LF and go out and sign him, over an inferior Crawford.

    Don’t think Boras would ever let him do that though.

  231. KWAN December 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    The 8 yr deal from BAL is bogus, per MLBTR and Olney…

    Probably just Boras putting that out there to scare the Cards

  232. mick December 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    The only problem with 2001 was that they got blown out in every game except the ones they won. I remember most thinking that the D-Backs were really the much better team in that series aside from a few HRs off of Kim.
    ============================================================
    Uh, Betsy?
    Blown out of game 7? Much better team? I have 2 words for that, Johnson and Schilling, and we had him beat in game 7, see Soriano.

  233. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Diner

  234. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    U.E.,
    Watched taps last month. Absolutely a classic with an all star cast.

  235. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    i think weird sciene was one of my favorite 80′s comedies.

    others that come to mind that i didn’t see mentioned:
    splash
    can’t buy me love
    midnight madness (featuring a very young micheal j fox)

    i’ll think of more

  236. James December 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    A revolving door in LF would be fine if you were revolving good players. From the names we’ve seen, it doesn’t look like we’re planning on doing that. Revolving bad players = bad idea.

  237. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
    Diner

    ***********************
    Diner is a great movie. Plus, Mickey Rourke was still normal looking. lol

  238. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    “Diner is a great movie. Plus, Mickey Rourke was still normal looking. lol”

    I was just about to post something like that.

    Rourke merges two themes of this thread: movies and ‘roids.

  239. Drain003 December 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    I don’t want Damon back, but I would take him and his shoddy defense over Gardner/Reed, 10 times out of 10.

  240. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    i think weird sciene was one of my favorite 80’s comedies.

    others that come to mind that i didn’t see mentioned:
    splash
    can’t buy me love
    midnight madness (featuring a very young micheal j fox)

    Weird Science rocked

    Midnight Madness WoW
    are you and I the only ones who saw it?

  241. pat December 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    So people here may have been wrong when they said only St. Louis could be in on Holliday?

    Impossible! :wink:

  242. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Rich in NJ
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Rourke merges two themes of this thread: movies and ‘roids.

    *********************
    LOL Love it. ;)

  243. Betsy -high on pie December 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    So people are going to be disappointed in the off-season even though the Yankees have made very good trades and a potentially terrific signing? That’s what’s going to be the theme when Holliday signs somewhere else? That the Yankee wussed out? Clearly they have a different agenda than fans do……In any case, if the O’s and Cards have made 8 year offers, then forget it; that’s just ridiculous.

    I assume the Yankees have a plan for LF. I personally hope it doesn’t include Carl Crawford….If it does and he’s not available or won’t sign, then I’m sure they will have a contingency plan in place. If it doesn’t, I’m equally certain they have a plan for that as well.

  244. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Probably just Boras putting that out there to scare the Cards

    =======

    If they piss off the Cards, Yanks dont want to spend that much, sox tapped out. Whos left? Wouldnt they be stuck having to settle for a one year offer? What is Boras thinking?

  245. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    GB:
    The evidence is more anecdotal in the cases of Soriano and Posada. However, considering their journey’s to the big leagues (especially Soriano), countries of origin (although by no means am I confining PED usage to Latin American ballplayers), the statistical spike in power (again, especially for Soriano), there certainly are red flags.

    Either way, it would simply be naive to believe that the Yankee teams of the ’90′s and 2000′s were nearly completely free of PED usage.
    I think the least likely star-level players were probably Rivera (little doubt), Jeter (a seemingly normal career curve), B. Williams (whose career fell off the map at 34 y/o, much more of a normal career profile).
    Frankly, I doubt very much the minimizing story of usage that Alex Rodriguez told (that he only used in Texas). I’m more inclined to believe Pettitte’s story although only Andy and God know for sure.

  246. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Body Heat
    Angel Heart
    (we’re no longer suggesting movies for SoS kids right)

  247. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    can’t buy me love

    ========

    The african dance was freakin hillarious.

    Midnight madness? Never heard of it. I saw Midnight Run with Deniro.

  248. pat December 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    80′s movies

    The Pope of Greenwich Village was so bad but so good at the same time.

  249. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I saw Midnight Run with Deniro

    Yeah thats better than Midnight madness

  250. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    U.E.,
    Thanks, got plenty of good sugestions. Have at it.

  251. rconn23 December 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    “But the guy is a gamer, clutch, and a grinder. He played a big part of the Cubs winning the NL Central in 2008.

    He is a blue collar, lunch pale guy.”

    Warning! Sports cliche overload.

    Except maybe throw in “this guy is a ballplayer!” Cousin of the “Now, this guy is a football player!”

  252. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    But Andy Pettitte didn’t use steroids…

    He did HGH which doesn’t have any effect on people of his age at the time he did it.

  253. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Big Trouble in Little China

    and a bunch of other Kung Fu flicks from HK and Taiwain.

  254. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Camden Yards would be a great spot for Holliday to hit, but, I can’t see how he fits. No team will be able to use a 7 man outfield.

  255. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    and now i’ve had the theme song from Family Ties stuck in my head for 10 minutes or so.

    Later I will have dreams about doing a paint by number…

  256. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Erin
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Dirty Dancing

    Ultimate 1980s schoolgirl movie
    ************************
    OMG! How could I forget Dirty Dancing??
    My cousins (who were teenagers when the movie came out) introduced me to DD at a very young age. My parents were less than thrilled, although I honestly didn’t get the whole “backstory” until I was much older. lol

    **********

    I was 7 when it came out. Didn’t understand any of it other than the dancing. When I saw it years later it made SO much more sense. LOL

  257. blake December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    The Card’s offer is probably the same one thats been on the table for weeks just being reported by someone new. Probably 5 guaranteed years with options up to 8.

  258. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    The Feel Good Collection:
    Mad Max
    The Road Warrior
    Predator
    The Year of Living Dangerously
    The Killing Fields

    I think it was Phil: Once Upon a Time in America is terrific along with Once Upon a Time in the West. Sergio Leone, say no more.

  259. YankeeRay December 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Bret and MTU, if those numbers are even close then no way are we in on Holliday. Could be Boras putting that out there about the O’s to scare the Cards but if Cards also offered 8 years at 140 then there is no way Cash gets pulled in.

  260. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    U.E.,
    Thanks, got plenty of good sugestions. Have at it.

    just don’t want you to show your kids Angel Heart on my recommenation

  261. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    what would we do baby without us?

  262. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    If Olney is right that the O’s offer is bogus, I think it means that the Cards have the only real offer out there.

  263. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Patrick
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
    But Andy Pettitte didn’t use steroids…

    He did HGH which doesn’t have any effect on people of his age at the time he did it.
    —————————————————-
    Presumably that was said in jest. For further information on the effects of HGH, please contact Mr. S. Stallone at 1-837-384-2293.

  264. blake December 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    The Orioles don’t need outfielders and going 8 years on one player could cripple them if it doesn’t work out. Can’t see that happening and can’t see MH wanting to go there. The rumor has already been shot down as bogus anyway.

  265. Patrick from CT December 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    The Yankees won it all with Melky and Gardy in CF last year and they will win with Gardy and whom ever playing LF this coming year. Gardy is an exciting player to watch and a good option for the #3 or #4 outfielder. The Yankees will have 2-3 other guys challanging Gardy to be the LF come spring training. I think it is healthy to have some competition. All this worry for not having Damon back or another 100mil guy is just BS. Be happy Cash has served us so well thus far this off season and he’s not done yet…

  266. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    The Feel Good Collection:
    Terms of endearment
    casualties of War

    MJ FOX
    Teen Wolf
    Secret of my Sucess

  267. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Major League

    “You trying to say Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?”

  268. blake December 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    YankeeRay, 8 years 140 million could be filled with option years and incentives. It may be the same offer thats been on the table for weeks.

  269. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Joe Vogel
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    GB:
    The evidence is more anecdotal in the cases of Soriano and Posada. However, considering their journey’s to the big leagues (especially Soriano), countries of origin (although by no means am I confining PED usage to Latin American ballplayers), the statistical spike in power (again, especially for Soriano), there certainly are red flags.

    Either way, it would simply be naive to believe that the Yankee teams of the ’90’s and 2000’s were nearly completely free of PED usage.
    I think the least likely star-level players were probably Rivera (little doubt), Jeter (a seemingly normal career curve), B. Williams (whose career fell off the map at 34 y/o, much more of a normal career profile).
    Frankly, I doubt very much the minimizing story of usage that Alex Rodriguez told (that he only used in Texas). I’m more inclined to believe Pettitte’s story although only Andy and God know for sure.

    ————————————————————

    That’s the stupidest load of crap that I’ve read since the last time PA went on one of his hissy fits. You must be his twin brother, at least.

  270. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Terms of Endearment is a Feel Good movie??????

    Sarcasm right??

  271. Rich in NJ December 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Terms of Endearment was tough to watch.

  272. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    Terms of Endearment is a Feel Good movie??????

    Sarcasm right??

    playing off Joe Vogel sarcastic feelgood collection

  273. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    That girl from Dirty Dancing and Ferris Buelers sister. Did a nose job and i have never been able to recognise her again. One of the biggest transformations IMO.

    I just saw previews of once upon a time in america. I cant believe i never heard of this Denero gig. I assume Deer Hunter is a 70′s movie?

  274. Devin December 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Cash made great moves, but remember, those guys essentially replaced Damon and Matsui, and there is no guarantee they will get back all their production. Johnson has also been on the DL 10 straight years– so he is a risk.

    And chances are, whoever Cash finds in the bargain bin to replace Melky, will not be as good as him (despite what the fans say, Gardner is not better than Melky, neither is Reed Johnson who can’t hit lefties, nor are Hairston or Podesdnik).

    It isin’t like we added NJ and Granderson to our 2009 team, they replaced 2 pretty important offensive players. They were good acquisitions, but it should be put in proper context.

  275. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Ordinary People was a riot too

    Platoon
    Full Metal Jacket

  276. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    Terms of Endearment is a Feel Good movie??????

    Sarcasm right??

    playing off Joe Vogel sarcastic feelgood collection

    ***********

    Good. Cause no movie makes me cry and gives me the “why on earth did I just do that to myself” feeling like Terms of Endearment.

    Its a shame really cause its an excellent movie and I love the Nicholson/McClaine dynamic. But I usually have to be careful to turn it off before Emma finds out she has cancer

  277. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    GB:

    Why do I get the feeling that you use the word “crap” daily on average 10 times more than the typical human being?

  278. Jay December 30th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Gardner stinks – he is a 4th outfielder. Hoffmann is a project, he is no guarantee to be anything. Reed Johnson can only hit lefties and is a singles hitter with a bad back.

    Let’s face it, LF is going to be a blackhole. Unless Gardner somehow shocks the world – but I wouldn’t count on it.

  279. Bill M December 30th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    “He did HGH which doesn’t have any effect on people of his age at the time he did it.”

    Why’d he use it then?

  280. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    uncle e, i’m amazed at how much better the real version of wierd science was when i saw it last. i guess i was so used to the TV version all these years.

    midnight madness was great. i tried finding it for years until i was able to netflix it a year or so ago. such a underrated movie, as far as cheesy 80s comedies go… LEON!!!

  281. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Jennifer Grey. Joel Grey’s daughter.

    Had a nose job. Worst one I’ve ever seen. Totally changed her face, her look. And in my mind, was totally unnecessary. She was very pretty and very unique looking. Uniqueness should not be compromised.

    And it didn’t help her in career, which is the worst cut of all, I’d think. :?

  282. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Once Upon a Time in America is probably the greatest Gangster flick ever made. They had asked Sergio to direct the Godfather, but he had been wanting to make OUTA since the `60s. Starting with For a Few Dollars More, Leone just made one masterpiece after another. Duck, You Sucker wasn’t his originally, but it’s also pretty good.

  283. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    uncle e, i’m amazed at how much better the real version of wierd science was when i saw it last

    Total gem

  284. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Joe Vogel
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
    GB:

    Why do I get the feeling that you use the word “crap” daily on average 10 times more than the typical human being?

    ————————————————————

    Why would I care what feeling you get?

  285. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
    Jennifer Grey. Joel Grey’s daughter.

    Had a nose job. Worst one I’ve ever seen. Totally changed her face, her look. And in my mind, was totally unnecessary. She was very pretty and very unique looking. Uniqueness should not be compromised.

    And it didn’t help her in career, ***which is the worst cut of all, I’d think.***

    ————————————————————

    “which is the worst cut of all, I’d think”

    I love unintentional puns.

  286. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! December 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Okay Yankee People….

    I am getting ready to leave and going to check my lists one more time to make sure I have everything packed. I have a friend who has been given the job of notifying me if any big Yankee news breaks while I am gone.

    I hope you all have a wonderful New Years and I will see you Sunday!!!!!!!!

  287. Joe Vogel December 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Texas Tech just terminated Mike Leach. The threat of injunctive relief radically accelerated this whole story.

  288. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Happy New Year Erica

  289. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “which is the worst cut of all, I’d think”

    I love unintentional puns.”

    unintentional like a fox

  290. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    GB7 -

    HaHa! It was NOT unintentional!!! :lol:

  291. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Doreen,
    I do agree that she looked good without it. Some of these actors have messed themselves up going under the knife. Like Precilla Presley. I heard that she had some stuff shot into her face that cant be reversed. People like that should look at the girl from Stardust and was catwomen in the batman movie. Still hott without doing a thing to her face. Raquel Welch too, my favorite old but hott lady(please tell me she hasnt).

  292. Patrick December 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    “Presumably that was said in jest. For further information on the effects of HGH, please contact Mr. S. Stallone at 1-837-384-2293. ”

    Nope it was 100% serious. Stallone did steroids.

    “Why’d he use it then?”

    Because baseball players are stupid. Why do several players wear bits of metal around their necks? They think it stops them from being sore but it’s all a bunch of pseudo-science.

  293. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Texas Tech just terminated Mike Leach. The threat of injunctive relief radically accelerated this whole story.

    ======

    Wow! That was quick. Im sure someone will jump at the chance to get him in no time. Its always the other schools problem when it comes to players and coaches. Like Calipari in memphis.

  294. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    not for nothing but Erin Greys work was not a butcher job,

    it was just unnessessary and a bad career move

    she remained quite attractive

  295. Erin December 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Have a great trip Erica :D

  296. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Mickey Roukre
    ruined his face real bad

  297. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    S.O.S.

    I recently saw a Priscilla Presley on television and I wanted to cry. She was gorgeous. I can’t believe a few frown/laugh lines could have made her look all that bad or all that old, frankly.

    Raquel Welch – I have no idea if she’s had work done, but if she did, and you can’t really tell, then I’d guess it was worth it for her. She’s gorgeous, as is Sophia Loren. Timeless beauties and, yes, hot. :)

    There are too many who end up looking clownish – caricaturish.

    But then, Bob Costas doesn’t look good anymore either – can’t he afford a better hair person? Seriously. That look doesn’t look good for Al Michaels, either, nor did it look good on Marv Albert or even Howard Cosell in his day. :)

  298. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Uncle E =

    Erin Grey?

  299. Steve December 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    “If not for David Wells…this team would have been champs.”

    Please. David Wells gets such an unfair rap. This is the same David Wells who was 15-7 during the 2003 regular season. The same David Wells who was 1-0 with a 1.17 ERA during the 2003 ALDS versus Minnesota. The same David Wells who was 1-0 with a 2.35 ERA during the 2003 ALCS versus Boston. And the same David Wells who pitched to a 3.38 ERA in his two starts during the 2003 World Series versus the Marlins. Yes, his second start only lasted 1 inning, but he was injured and left the game with the Yankees up 1-0. It’s not his fault the Yankees couldn’t hit the Marlins’ pitching the entire series. Sure, it would have been nice if he had been healthy, or told the Yankees before the game that his back wasn’t right, but realistically, what were their options for a starter instead of Wells anyhow? Contreras? We saw how he did in that game. Weaver? Please. Boomer was the ultimate big game pitcher whose multiple tenures in New York seem to be defined to a lot of people by one injury shortened start. Again, he left with the lead in that game. Pinning the Yankees’ World Series’ fate on Boomer that year is not only unfair but it’s inaccurate. A more appropriate statement than the initial quotation would be “If not for David Wells, this team would have never advanced to the World Series.”

  300. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    can’t he afford a better hair person?

    =========

    I think Costas should switch hair dues with Donald Trump.

  301. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Back to School

    Remember… You’re a Melon!

  302. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    BTW,
    The catwomen lady is Michelle Phieffer. Still hot.

  303. Phil the Thrill December 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=4781783

    Grandy interview. Too many questions about the media, though.

  304. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    Uncle E =

    Erin Grey?

    Ha !

    Erin Grey was the Woman from Buck Rogers in the 21st century (I had a crush)

    I meant Jennifer Grey

  305. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Im surprised no one mentioned any police academies or naked guns.

  306. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Oh, oh…Looks like Andy McPhail has been taking subterfuge lessons from one Brian Cashman.

    “Matt Holliday Rumors: Wednesday
    By Tim Dierkes [December 30 at 1:55pm CST]
    1:55pm: Talking to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun, MacPhail moved quickly to shoot down Ringolsby’s report of the Orioles making an eight-year, $130MM offer for Holliday.”

  307. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    saucY
    December 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    Back to School

    Remember… You’re a Melon!

    Andrian Barbeau: You are impossible
    Rodney: we’ll you’re Easy!

    easy money
    monty see, monty do

  308. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Airplane

  309. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Zapped. Just to see Heather Thomas.

  310. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    GB7 -

    HaHa! It was NOT unintentional!!!

    ————————————————————

    But, I love intentional puns even more.

    I feel just like Bill “Bojangles” Robinson tap dancing around that one.

  311. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Uncle E -

    I thought the nose job totally changed her face. It wasn’t “butchered” in the strict sense of the word, but it no longer looked like her. I remember seeing her with it for the first time and I couldn’t place the face.

    She didn’t need it. My opinion.

    (Full disclosure: I have battled with my nose since I was an adolescent. It’s not horrible (well, it was during my teen years), but it’s along the lines of Jennifer Grey’s original. At first it was the cost that kept me from doing anything, then it was the fear that it might do more harm than good, and then, finally, I grew into it. And it’s really not all that bad!)

  312. GreenBeret7 December 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    December 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
    S.O.S.

    I recently saw a Priscilla Presley on television and I wanted to cry. She was gorgeous. I can’t believe a few frown/laugh lines could have made her look all that bad or all that old, frankly.

    Raquel Welch – I have no idea if she’s had work done, but if she did, and you can’t really tell, then I’d guess it was worth it for her. She’s gorgeous, as is Sophia Loren. Timeless beauties and, yes, hot.

    There are too many who end up looking clownish – caricaturish.

    But then, Bob Costas doesn’t look good anymore either – can’t he afford a better hair person? Seriously. That look doesn’t look good for Al Michaels, either, nor did it look good on Marv Albert or even Howard Cosell in his day.

    ————————————————————

    Ann-Margret and Shelley Fabares are still gorguous.

  313. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Uncle E -

    I thought the nose job totally changed her face. It wasn’t “butchered” in the strict sense of the word, but it no longer looked like her. I remember seeing her with it for the first time and I couldn’t place the face.

    She didn’t need it.

    I totally agree.

  314. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? December 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Ann-Margret – yes, absolutely.

    Shelley Fabares I would consider having an interesting and pleasing face. Not gorgeous, but really, really attractive in less conventional way. I loved her in “Coach.”

  315. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    I feel a Seinfeld reference coming on.

  316. pat December 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    McPhail’s quote was, ” No, that’s not right, we haven’t offered Matt Holliday that contract.”

    Semantics?

    Didn’t say they haven’t offered Holliday a contract just said it wasn’t THAT contract.

  317. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    She was really good in Coach. Solid show

  318. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    finally, I grew into it. And it’s really not all that bad!

    ====

    Your really lucky Doreen. Some of us like me grow out of it(my nose is becoming my entire face).

    My wife wanted a nose job as well. Shes part black with sort of a samoan nose. I told her its too risky and if she did it, us kissing with our noses in the way might no longer be mission impossible. That changed her mind quickly. Wonder why?

  319. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    here is the patrick swayze jack-o-lantern i made this year.
    http://yfrog.com/18swayze1gj

    just felt like posting since we’re talking 80′s movies…

  320. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) December 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Red Dawn

    Wolverines!!!!!!!!

  321. S.o.S. December 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Did you really do that saucy? If not, where do you come up with this stuff? If so, not bad.

  322. saucY December 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    yeah, i did it a few days before halloween. it only lasted a week though, so i was glad i got pictures. thanks :)

    looking forward to halloween 2010 already

  323. Boss Ton December 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    2004 has to rank as the best year in Boston sports history!

    Boston in-itself in the sports city of the decade!

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