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Report: Holliday close to deal with St. Louis

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 31, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is coming from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which reports that the Cardinals are “working toward an agreement” with Matt Holliday.

Derrick Goold reports that the Cardinals negotiations are “gaining momentum” and that a contract could be finalized by next week. Poeple from Holliday’s camp have apparently confirmed these discussions. So has Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak.

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171 Responses to “Report: Holliday close to deal with St. Louis”

  1. Steamer December 31st, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Best of luck to him. Would have been nice but not at that salary. Save the money for next offseason’s talent.

  2. CR9 December 31st, 2009 at 1:01 am

    Good Luck Matt. Thanks for not taking an under market deal with the Sox.

    Thank Tom as well for that.

  3. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 1:12 am

    It’s seems apparent that he has no other real offers at this point.

  4. Nick in SF December 31st, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Hoffman’s better anyway.

  5. vb03 December 31st, 2009 at 1:19 am

    Yanks have won WS with LF platoons before and they can win it again.

  6. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 1:19 am

    So’s Chapman. Sign him, Hal.

  7. XLJ December 31st, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Holliday is a much better player than Granderson. Terrible offseason moves by the yankees.

  8. jerkface December 31st, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Chad you are a handsome dude, if anything your picture should be bigger.

  9. vb03 December 31st, 2009 at 1:28 am

    XLJ December 31st, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Holliday is a much better player than Granderson. Terrible offseason moves by the yankees.

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    Go root for the Cards then.

  10. E-gawa December 31st, 2009 at 1:49 am

    Holliday is a 20 hr overrated bum who’s biggest power numbers came in colorado.. I’m tired of hearing about him. I can’t wait until the Cardinals sign him.

  11. TIMMay December 31st, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Good, hopefully idiot Yankee fans like XLJ will get it out of their heads that the NYY need an allstar at every position in order to win.

    Idiot… Seriously?

  12. Anthony Murillo December 31st, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Reading comments such as “Terrible offseason moves by the Yankees” makes me…just…shake my head.

    We replaced a 4th outfielder who was our starting centerfielder with an all-star one.
    We then traded that 4th outfielder for the best #4 starter in baseball
    We signed an OBP machine, one that we’re all familar with

    Seriously people, Matt Holliday was never a serious option. And I’m sorry if some of you cannot accept that…but you need to. We are one of, if not the best, team in all of baseball. We are the defending WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS for crying out loud. This team is a strong team. Would it be a stronger team with Holliday? Yes. Is it still a strong team without him? Yes.

    Get over it, stop your crying, and realize we’re still a strong team and get ready to see your team honorably defend their World Series Championship.

  13. Sesn Ryan December 31st, 2009 at 1:53 am

    XLJ December 31st, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Holliday is a much better player than Granderson. Terrible offseason moves by the yankees.

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    What do you want the Yankees payroll to be? $250 million?

    Someone people will never be satisfied.

  14. Chad Jennings December 31st, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Thanks jerkface. Very kind of you.

  15. CD December 31st, 2009 at 2:22 am

    poor boras didn’t have competing teams to bid up the contract — must be p.o.ed

  16. Phil the Thrill December 31st, 2009 at 2:29 am

    Holliday would have been a great fit. Still, it’s been a really strong offseason for Cash.

  17. haiku-man December 31st, 2009 at 3:01 am

    The St Louis Globe democrat paper has the Holliday story.

    http://www.globe-democrat.com/...../cardinals

  18. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 31st, 2009 at 3:24 am

    The Cardinals bid against themselves for Holliday.
    Bosox withdrew their offer quickly when Boras turned them down in Nov. That Globe-Democrat article doesn’t sound like they are happy about the huge amount of money required to sign Holliday.

    So how long before Damon comes off his high horse,and faces reality?

    Don’t you find it interesting, that the amount of money Cashman has left to spend, is roughly what was offered to Damon in the beginning of the hotstove?

  19. The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain December 31st, 2009 at 3:30 am

    I still think that a Damon return is all but a lock at this point. I mean do you really think the NEW YORK YANKEES are going to play Gardner in left.

  20. gfd December 31st, 2009 at 3:39 am

    Man the writer of the Globe-Democrat is angry. He’s talking about the replacement players in the 1995 strike, and breaking the players union to make the players come crawling back to lower signing prices.

    St Louis is going to have sticker shock, over the price.
    Next offseason Pujols, the franchise player will make them dizzy with his asking price tag.

  21. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 31st, 2009 at 3:43 am

    Curious

    I think Cashman/Boras are waiting for Damon to come to terms with the lower pay. His ego is still at play, and he needs time.

  22. akamgkrebs December 31st, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Curious

    I think Cashman/Boras are waiting for Damon to come to terms with the lower pay. His ego is still at play, and he needs time.

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    the Yanks withdrew the offer when they signed Nick Johnson.

  23. paul.c December 31st, 2009 at 4:25 am

    Would the Cardinals be that unwise and sign a 29 yr old, (soon to be 30 in two weeks,) to an 8 yr contract to play the OF?

  24. akamgkrebs December 31st, 2009 at 4:36 am

    Would the Cardinals be that unwise and sign a 29 yr old, (soon to be 30 in two weeks,) to an 8 yr contract to play the OF?
    ===================================================
    “Sources indicated the sides have discussed several structures, including a five-year guaranteed deal and an eight-year framework. The average annual salary would be higher in the shorter deal”

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltod.....enDocument

  25. sunny615 December 31st, 2009 at 6:38 am

    Even if Damon were still in play, what would they do with him? – he’s not an everyday OF anymore. His legs won’t hold up. He needs off days and DH days. I thought the Yankees were trying to get away from the part time OF situation…?

  26. Mike RI December 31st, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Sunny615

    IF Damon comes back. Your getting your left fielder. Johny can still play the outfield. He’s not ancient old. (yes his arm is horrible but he can still cover decent ground ). Heck we just won a World Series with him out in left.!!!

    Your also getting back a guy that can still hit and your getting a guy that knows how to get it done in the playoffs.

    His Defense is a concern. no doubt. But thats what we have Gardner for !. some late inning defensive relief.

  27. blake December 31st, 2009 at 7:09 am

    Holliday would have been great at the 85-90 million dollar range that was being reported and I still think the Yankees may have signed him at that price. The big question in all of this was whether the Cards would raise their bid..if they wouldn’t I thought the Yanks may swoop in but they apparently have and now the best move is to let him go. The Yankees don’t have a LFer on the way but they do have a #5 hitter on the way in Montero.

  28. blake December 31st, 2009 at 7:15 am

    If the Holliday reports are true then the markets for Damon and Nady should start to move soon. I think the Yankees should go with whichever of them is the best deal and whichever if either will accept a one year deal. The fact that Bay and Holliday got what they did leads me to believe that there may actually be a 2 year deal out there somewhere for Damon. Nady for a cheap one year deal would be a good risk IMO.

  29. Mike RI December 31st, 2009 at 7:21 am

    I don’t know Blake. 2 Tommy John surgeries for an outfielder is insane. Even when Nady did play for us, i felt like he did “ok”. nothing great. He’s a little over-rated for my liking.

    I’m still holding out hope Damon comes back on a nice one year , incentive laced deal.

  30. Phil December 31st, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Thank the man above that this can finally end all of the “Yanks to jump in late and swoop” talks.

    No more BS about how his father is a huge Yankee fan and pressuring him and how he really wants to be in NY.

    Thankfully we can move on.

    Cashman did a fantastic job this offseason. Fantastic.

  31. blake December 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Mike RI,
    If Damon would accept a one year deal in the Yankees price range then that would be great, it would actally be my preference. However, with the deals that Bay and Holliday are supposedly getting I am a little skeptical that will happen. Nady could have his right arm amputated and still probably throw nearly as well as Damon can. When I talk about Nady, I’m talking 2-4 million for a one year deal. He could provide great value if its at that price IMO.

  32. Dr Mustard December 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Finally we can stop hearing about Holliday. people forgot that Holliday stunk it up for the A’s in the tougher AL

    Cashman will bring in a LF via a trade

  33. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 7:42 am

    Nady would be OK as a cheap platoon player, but health has to be a major concern.

  34. jpb1973 December 31st, 2009 at 7:44 am

    If Holliday gets an 8 year deal then I’m glad its not with the Yankees. We already have a lot of money tied up in long term deals for sluggers. It would be better to spend some of that money next year on shorter deals for guys like Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford.

  35. haiku-man December 31st, 2009 at 7:46 am

    I get it all the time from friends and family in St Louis, about the expensive contracts the Yankees sign.

    It’s going to be fun teasing them about the Cardinals bidding against themselves for Holliday. What’s so funny is the reaction of their fanbase when they see how much Boras got them for. The Globe-democrat.com writer says anything over 5M yearly is too much.

  36. Stan December 31st, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Once St. Louis finalizes with Holliday, Brian Cashman can feel free to move on to Plan B and set the roster so Joe Girardi knows what he has to work with.
    Don’t expect a Gardner / Hoffmann platoon in LF.

  37. Mike RI December 31st, 2009 at 7:52 am

    So heres the list of possible free agents left. ( for left field )

    Damon
    Byrd
    Dye

  38. jpb1973 December 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am

    I get it all the time from friends and family in St Louis, about the expensive contracts the Yankees sign.

    It’s going to be fun teasing them about the Cardinals bidding against themselves for Holliday. What’s so funny is the reaction of their fanbase when they see how much Boras got them for. The Globe-democrat.com writer says anything over 5M yearly is too much.

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    If this deal makes it fun for you, I wonder what it will be like next year after the Cardinals resign Pujols for mega-buck$. After paying those two the Cards won’t have enough money to opay the other 23 players on the roster. Can you imagine what their pitching staff is going to look like in 2 or 3 years?

  39. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Damon
    Byrd
    Dye

    Pass.

  40. crawdaddy December 31st, 2009 at 7:58 am

    That’s your list, but if it doesn’t include Nady or Reed Johnson then perhaps it doesn’t match up with what Cashman is looking at.

  41. crawdaddy December 31st, 2009 at 7:59 am

    “Damon
    Byrd
    Dye

    Pass.”

    Rich,

    If Holliday is off the board then which player(s)?

  42. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 31st, 2009 at 7:59 am

    Why not byrd?He has power and plays good defense..

  43. Dr Mustard December 31st, 2009 at 8:01 am

    Reed Johnson is a bum

  44. crawdaddy December 31st, 2009 at 8:02 am

    “Why not byrd?He has power and plays good defense..”

    Because I think somebody is going to give him a three year contract and I don’t think Cashman wants to go there.

  45. blake December 31st, 2009 at 8:04 am

    I think Cash is looking at Nady or Johnson to platoon with Gardner unless Damon falls in their lap.

  46. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Byrd had a 106 OPS+ last year. That’s kind of underwhelming.

  47. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 8:08 am

    crawdaddy

    I’m willing to stick with what they have for now.

  48. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day December 31st, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Good, now we can move on. I don’t know what the final figures are, but I doubt it’s 5/80…….

  49. crawdaddy December 31st, 2009 at 8:11 am

    “crawdaddy

    I’m willing to stick with what they have for now.”

    Not me brother! We don’t even know if Hoffman is a ML player or not. No outfield depth is something a team with a 200M payroll needs to avoid within reason.

  50. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day December 31st, 2009 at 8:15 am

    2-4 million for Nady? Not a chance the Yankees give that to him………and I wouldn’t either. His 2 TJ surgeries speak for themselves.

    If the figures are over 5/80, the Cards should take the same grief from the media that the Yankees do (did) when they bid against themselves. Fat chance of that happening, though

  51. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day December 31st, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Craw, Cash agrees with you……so do I

  52. sunny615 December 31st, 2009 at 8:20 am

    The point being Damon hasn’t played more than 120 games in OF since 2002. He’s not an everyday LF anymore. Which means he’s going to need time at DH… so do you just sit him on those days? or NJ? Not to mention other players are going to need an occassional day off as well – arod probably more than anyone else if his hip still isn’t 100% – so then that’s a 5.5 million dollar 80-100 game DH.

  53. FrankIe December 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Geoffrey Sarnataro will be the opening day LF. Good stick, average glove. Should do fine.

  54. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am

    There’s a downside on every player:Holliday is asking to much money,Byrd wants to many years,Nady is comming of surgery,Gardner has no power,Damon can’t play defense….

    Cash doesn’t have a easy job..

  55. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am

    craw

    “Not me brother! We don’t even know if Hoffman is a ML player or not. No outfield depth is something a team with a 200M payroll needs to avoid within reason.”

    So who would you sign and what would you be willing to pay?

    I wouldn’t give anyone available more than one year.

  56. Mike RI December 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am

    I’d rather just stick with what we have , than sign Nady or Reed Johnson.

  57. wallypip December 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am

    I could see Marcus Thames as half of a left field platoon. He’s strictly a 200-250 AB man, though.

  58. haiku-man December 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am

    jpb1973

    Pujols is expected to get an Alex “like” contract, Holliday wasn’t expected to cost this much. Cardinals don’t mind Pujols mega bucks contract, whatever it takes to keep in on the Cardinals.

    I call La Russa the younger Bobb Cox, he’ll win the division!

  59. Dr Mustard December 31st, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Marcus Thames is more a 1B/DH now.

  60. damon enjoy 27...think 28 December 31st, 2009 at 8:31 am

    sunny615
    Boras says Damon has played 140 games since 2003, it was one of his selling points at the winter meetings, in front of the press. Along with him being compared to Jeter, and the contract the Yankees will give Jeter.

  61. blake December 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am

    They need outfield depth. They will sign someone either as a bench outfielder and let Gardner start or as a starter and let Gardner be the backup.

  62. 86w183 December 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am

    If they add a LF a RH hitter makes more sense for lineup/bench balance.

    However signing Damon is not as off the wall as it might seem. It’s not like he or NJ is a lock for 150 games given Damon’s age and Johnson’s track record.

    So if NJ and Damon split DH, say 130 games for NJ and 32 for Damon and Damon and Gardner split LF, say 108 starts for Damon and 54 for Gardner you have the possibility for a productive rotation at the two positions with a solid player on the bench.

    The one negative there is that all three are LH hitters.

    That’s why I’d rather see Marlon Byrd in the mix and/or a trade for Ty Wigginton for a bench role.

  63. MTU December 31st, 2009 at 8:36 am

    2010 Yankees:

    Jeter
    NJ
    Tex
    A-Rod
    Po
    Grandy
    Cano
    Swish
    Gardy/Hoffman

    Cervelli
    Gardy/Hoff
    Pena/Russo
    ?

    CC
    AJ
    Andy
    JV
    Joba/Phil

    Mo
    Marte
    Joba/Phil
    D-Rob
    Aceves
    Gaudin
    Logan (?)/R. Sanchez (?),Melancon(?)

    Nova
    Z-Mac
    Mitre
    Hirsch
    Wang

  64. 86w183 December 31st, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Thames/Gardner could be an inexpensive LF option and definitely improves depth. I’m okay with that. Thames has a career .845 OPS against LHP.

  65. FrankIe December 31st, 2009 at 8:41 am

    A Gardner/Sarnataro platoon could work.

  66. John in Ohio December 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Chad

    Please continue with the minor league posts as often as possible. Your Scranton blog was a daily stop for me. Yankees fans are lucky to have a writer so well versed about information regarding the entire organization. I know that I really enjoy knowing what’s what when I go see the Mud Hens vs. the SWB Yankees.

    Ignore the complaints.

  67. B.Hinn December 31st, 2009 at 8:44 am

    heard a rumor cashman is interested in a couple of the nationals outfielders .elijah dukes and nyjer morgan

  68. MTU December 31st, 2009 at 8:44 am

    2010 lineup:

    Less runs 800-900

    better D

    Better Pitching

    A winner.

    Proposal:

    trade for Doumit.

    Backup catcher/OF.

  69. NJ Steve December 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am

    I still think that a Damon return is all but a lock at this point. I mean do you really think the NEW YORK YANKEES are going to play Gardner in left.
    ________________________________________________________

    I will repost what I said in the last one next, but I am not sure what the Yankees WILL do, but I know what they SHOULD do and that is play Gardner almost every day, but rest him against some lefties (unless he continues to hit lefties better). If that is the case then Gardner should be playing CF and Granderson should be playing LF.

    BTW, Gardner is as valuable as Damon in LF right now. Gardner’s adjusted OPS for SB’s is .780 (assuming the same .724 OPS as last year). Damon’s OPS in the 4 years with the Yankees is .821; even if we assume he doesn’t slow down, his adjusted OPS for SB’s gets him to an OPS of .841. Gardner defense will save at least 3 bases a week (2 hits) over Damon is LF and that equates to bases over the course of the year of .86 points of OPS putting Gardner’s adjusted OPS at .866 compared to Damon’s .841. So let’s assume that they are equal, Damon has more downside and Gardner has more upside…why make a move?

    Gardner’s defense is worth more than people think and if he should play in LF, that means he should start in CF and Granderson should move to LF because Gardner is better in CF.

  70. NJ Steve December 31st, 2009 at 8:49 am

    I am surprised at all these Yankee fans that just throw Granderson out in CF without acknowledging that you should not start him against lefties? I know some of you folks are smart enough to realize you should give Gardner a chance and it that is the case he should be in CF. Defensive stats are almost worthless and Bill James said that. I agree with him. the metrics have so many flaws. Overall, there is no question Gardner covers more ground and should play out in CF and Granderson should be platooned. Gardner may need to be platooned as well, but he did hit lefties well last year. A betting person would have the odds that Grander hits lefties better than Granderson. Of course Granderson is ELITE against 66% of the pitchers (righties) and should bat 5th against them.

    Can someone tell me why they are ignoring how bad Granderson is against lefties? He is basically Molina at the plate…Gardner showed improvement last year just like he has done every time he moved up levels in the minors. if he can give you an OPS of .724, his speed makes it like a .780 OPS. Then when you add in his defense he is probably BETTER than Damon. Now, the question is whether he can give us a .724 OPS. If he can then he should be playing in CF for the Yanks PERIOD. I say give him a shot; when he had more playing time he did better.

    Are we better with Holliday, of course, but the Yanks will be better in the long run without holliday if Gardner can give us a .724 OPS because we will be able to sign Lee or Mauer to whatever he wants. You can’t have almost 200 mil locked up before next year and allow Boston to grab these guys as we will be worse. I also have reservations about giving Holliday so much money as he has not looked good in the AL. I think he is better than Bay, but I am not giving that much money to guys that I am not rock solid sure about. When guys like texiera and CC Sabathia come available the Yanks should grab them. If Mauer becomes available you go ALL out and get him. If Crawford is available it does not interest me as much (even though he is a very good player). Crawford is more interesting if you don’t have a player like Granderson already.

  71. B.Hinn December 31st, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Id take Elijah Dukes, He takes his walks,has some pop,cant recall what his defense is like though

  72. gfd December 31st, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Damon could’ve played at Busch stadium, in St Louis, and now another door closed. No way for Boras to spin a made up mystery team. Maybe the Orioles will want him.hehehehe!

  73. wallypip December 31st, 2009 at 8:53 am

    I like the idea of Gardner hitting in the nine spot in front of Jeter. A basestealer on 1B opens holes for Derek. If Gardner can get on base at a .350 rate, then he’ll pull his weight. I’d like to see the Yankees get a righthanded power hitter for depth/insurance though.

  74. Roger(live from Amsterdam) December 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am

    What would it take to get Elijah Dukes then?

  75. wallypip December 31st, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Dukes is a headcase. Maybe he’s matured in DC, but his attitude and off field antics have hurt him more than anything.

  76. go johnny go December 31st, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Mike RI
    December 31st, 2009 at 7:05 am
    Sunny615

    IF Damon comes back. Your getting your left fielder. Johny can still play the outfield. He’s not ancient old. (yes his arm is horrible but he can still cover decent ground ). Heck we just won a World Series with him out in left.!!!

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    I think that last sentence should read, Heck we just won a World Series BECAUSE of him out in left (and Matsui of course).!!!

    If Pettite got his salary DOUBLED because of what he did last year why is giving damon 8 or 9 million (a paycut)out of the question? Jamie Hoffman? please don’t insult the New York Yankees like that Mr Cashman!!!

  77. Noreaster December 31st, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Well said wallypip…I’m looking forward to to Gardner getting > 200ABs in the fist half of the season. We’ll see what he can do.

  78. Fran (the original) and OPPC member December 31st, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Not surprised that Holliday is going back to St. Louis. It seems like that the Cards were the only team interested in him.

  79. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 8:59 am

    “Can someone tell me why they are ignoring how bad Granderson is against lefties?”

    Are they ignoring it, or they merely willing to determine for themselves whether or not it can be improved.

    By way of comparison:

    Paul O’Neill v. LHP in his last two years in Cinn:

    1992: .226 .273 .292 .565

    1991: .206 .260 .315 .575

    Granderson v. LHP in his last two years in Det:

    2009: .183 .245 .239 .484

    2008: .259 .310 .429 .739

    I have no idea whether or not Granderson can improve the way O’Neill did, but I don’t think it’s impossible that he can improve.

  80. GreenBeret7 December 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am

    Roger(live from Amsterdam)
    December 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
    What would it take to get Elijah Dukes then?

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    He’s worth a plate of spaghetti.

    Luckily, he’s willing to be paid in Milk Bone Dog Biscuits.

  81. Daveinmd December 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am

    That 2008 season against lefties isn’t horrendous. Not great, but certainly serviceable.

  82. Mike RI December 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am

    go johnny go -

    If Pettite got his salary DOUBLED because of what he did last year why is giving damon 8 or 9 million (a paycut)out of the question? Jamie Hoffman? please don’t insult the New York Yankees like that Mr Cashman!!!

    – I’m all for giving johnny 8 or 9 million. I think he deserves it. I was all for giving him 2 years for about 18-20 million. But he and Boras wants more.

    We’ll see how it shakes out .

  83. MTU December 31st, 2009 at 9:07 am

    2010 sleepers:

    Miranda

    Colin Curtis

    Chris Garcia

    Alan Horne

    ?

  84. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 31st, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Id take Elijah Dukes, He takes his walks,has some pop,
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    I believe you. Also is what was in the police report

  85. MTU December 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Vinny-

    The 3 musketeer’s:

    Dukes

    Milledge

    Guillen

  86. sunny615 December 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am

    From Joel Sherman:

    As for the left field/DH issue, the Yanks prefer Johnny Damon back. They do think a Derek Jeter/Damon top of the lineup is valuable and would allow them to drop Granderson into more of an RBI role where his iffy on-base percentage is not as much of a factor. But at this point they view Damon as a 70-game left fielder, 70-game DH. They really feel that his defense has fallen off that much. But his presence would still leave the DH slot open for about half the games as a place to mainly protect Jorge Posada’s body and get the better defense of Francisco Cervelli behind the plate.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....3u74uFi0kK

    From Baseball-Reference, Damon has played 150 games in the OF in 02, 144 in 03, 148 in 04, 147 in 05, 131 in 06, 81 in 07, 113 in 08 and 132 in 09. That averages to 130 games – but there’s a distinct decline as well so I can see the Yankees’ line of thinking.

  87. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 31st, 2009 at 9:14 am

    If Pettite got his salary DOUBLED because of what he did last year why is giving damon 8 or 9 million (a paycut)out of the question? Jamie Hoffman? please don’t insult the New York Yankees like that Mr Cashman!!!
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    different situations. also,

    i knew Andy Pettitte. And let me tell you, damon is no Andy Pettitte

  88. sunny615 December 31st, 2009 at 9:14 am

    BTW, that Sherman article was BEFORE they signed Nick Johnson.

  89. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day December 31st, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Sheesh, I wake up to see the driveway covered in snow and snow falling pretty hard. What a pain – the roads were very dangerous and I just slipped in the parking lot and fell on my side.

  90. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 31st, 2009 at 9:16 am

    MTU: :)

    don’t forget Delmon Young. He seems like a good kid, but if the umpire gives us any crap with the stike zone he will be on our side

  91. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) December 31st, 2009 at 9:19 am

    “As for the left field/DH issue, the Yanks prefer Johnny Damon back. They do think a Derek Jeter/Damon top of the lineup is valuable and would allow them to drop Granderson into more of an RBI role where his iffy on-base percentage is not as much of a factor. But at this point they view Damon as a 70-game left fielder, 70-game DH. They really feel that his defense has fallen off that much. But his presence would still leave the DH slot open for about half the games as a place to mainly protect Jorge Posada’s body and get the better defense of Francisco Cervelli behind the plate”
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    Granderson’s slugging Home/Road split: .388/.516

    Could be a big year for our centerfielder and offense.

  93. Stan December 31st, 2009 at 9:32 am

    Nady won’t be ready to play until June. Can’t live with that.

  94. gfd December 31st, 2009 at 9:34 am

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  95. NJ Steve December 31st, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Rich in NJ
    “Can someone tell me why they are ignoring how bad Granderson is against lefties?”

    Are they ignoring it, or they merely willing to determine for themselves whether or not it can be improved.

    By way of comparison:

    Paul O’Neill v. LHP in his last two years in Cinn:

    1992: .226 .273 .292 .565

    1991: .206 .260 .315 .575

    Granderson v. LHP in his last two years in Det:

    2009: .183 .245 .239 .484

    2008: .259 .310 .429 .739

    I have no idea whether or not Granderson can improve the way O’Neill did, but I don’t think it’s impossible that he can improve.
    ___________________________________________________

    Your point about Oneill is a good one and your question as to whether he can improve is also fair, however, Paul’s case is rare, but you also must remember that while Oneill wasn’t platooned, he was also MUCH worse against lefties. the reason why Oneill’s case was rare is that after playing 4 full years his OPS was roughly .775, but Oneill immediately became an OPS guy of over .900 in the first 4 years with the yanks. It wasn’t that all of a sudden he was better against lefties, he all of a sudden increased his OPS by an astounding 125+ points. In fact, in Paul’s first year with the Yankees his OPS was .597, still very weak.

    Paul became a much better hitter all around and his lefty numbers were raised because of it, but it is rare. Overall, his lifetime OPS against lefties was still a weak .699. I also believe that while many people think of Oneill as clutch, he was able to be pitched to in close and late situations with a situational lefty. In close and late situations in his career his OPS was .774 which is below his career OPS of .833. I think most of the discrepancy was facing lefties.

    Could Granderson become usable against lefties, sure it is possible, but the odds of Gardner hitting better than him against lefties is more likely.

    Let us all hope Granderson has an epiphany like Oneill, but we also have to acknowledge it is highly unlikely.

  96. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2009 at 9:56 am

    “Could Granderson become usable against lefties, sure it is possible, but the odds of Gardner hitting better than him against lefties is more likely.”

    IIRC, Showalter slowly worked O’Neill in against LHP, sitting him against really tough ones. I would guess that they also coached him up, and perhaps they were able to identify a flaw in his swing (which Cash says Granderson doesn’t have).

    Granderson really only has to be passable v. LHP, especially if he is a > .900 OPS guy against RHP and plays above average defense. A .750 OPS would be acceptable.

    The real issue is (assuming his 2009 splits don’t continue) what do you do with him in late inning close and late situations v. tough LHP.

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  98. John in Ohio December 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Don’t worry about Granderson. He’ll be a star in New York for years and years.

  99. the gay Yankee fan December 31st, 2009 at 10:47 am

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  100. Daveinmd December 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am

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  101. the gay Yankee fan December 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Are you comparing Granderson to Reggie?

    Reggie had much more power. There’s nothing star about Granderson’s power numbers or his defense or his speed. Good but nothing that isn’t comparable to other good centerfielders around the league.

    BA might be overrated but his OBP is below average for a “star.” He’s also a strikeout artist.

    I figure the dude will play well this year because of the motivation to impress his new team but watch for his numbers to fall back to their average in subsequent years.

    The same fans here ready to send him to the HOF will be the same ones wanting to run him out of town once he falls out of favor.

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    He hit 30 homeruns while playing in one of hardest home run parks in the league. In the new YS, he should hit 35 pretty easily. He is an excellent player and you’ll be singing a different tune after watching him play. Unless of course, you are one of those people who will never admit you are wrong.

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