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Congratulations and thank you

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jan 04, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We talk all the time about what a fantastic community has formed here and, as we head into 2010, I wanted to give you an idea of just how big (and interactive) all of you are:

At 11:59 p.m. on Dec. 31, 2009, the LoHud Yankees Blog had received exactly 25,004,559 page views over the past 12 months. Twenty-five million! The questions, comments, debate and lineup-guesses are what make this place special, and a number like that is a real tribute to your unbelievable passion as fans.

On behalf of Chad, Josh and everyone at LoHud: Thank you, thank you, thank you (25 million times over).

Now here’s to making 2010 even bigger.

 
 

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188 Responses to “Congratulations and thank you”

  1. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Thanks for the content.

  2. John in Ohio January 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    I really think the “team” concept you’ve instituted is working, and the blog is better now. But, Pete worked very hard to establish this community, and deserves big time credit for its success.

  3. tex's friend January 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Without disrespecting PeteAbe, i must say this is so much better now with you all running the show. With real yankees fans (seemingly) running things, we feel more of a community instead of the snarky sometimes bitter info from pete.

  4. Rishi January 4th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Congratulations on creating/sustaining a “must visit” for Yankee fans!

  5. Sam Borden January 4th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    John: I agree with you. Without Pete, none of this would exist. I’m also very, very glad that we’ve managed to keep this terrific community going.

  6. Hey Kelvin says January 4th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Old Reader here, only have posted on several occasions.

    Awesome job Chad & Sam. I was honestly drunk when I read Pete’s post about leaving LoHud for the Boston Globe. I didn’t believe it, was pretty frustrated as this blog is my favorite source for all things Yankees. Luckily, you guys have done a great job, much better then Pete at times as I got tired of his blogging towards the end of his tenure I felt like he really didn’t care about the Yankees at all.

    I know this is a job, but I know the Yankee community feels very comfortable with you guys on board.

    Thanks again!
    Kelvin

  7. m1kew January 4th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Just curious – does anyone have any idea as to what 25 million page views means in terms of monetizing this site? Pete and now Chad and Sam put a lot of effort into this blog. I am curious to know if LoHud is receiving enough ad revenues to justify the effort.

  8. The Cro January 4th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Congratulations to everybody who helped make this blog what it is today: the best community of passionate, dedicated and well informed Yankee Fans in the entire blogosphere!

  9. Patrick from CT January 4th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I love the Blog.
    I thought it was great when Pete had it and it is even better these days.
    Baseball is a great sport to rap about all year round.
    Please keep up the great work guys…

  10. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Sam, Chad, et al. are doing a fantastic job, but Pete did a super job too.

    I get frustrated by people on this blog who were not bright enough to get Pete’s wit and instead trash him now that he is gone.

  11. Erin January 4th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Thanks to Sam, Chad and Josh! :) I’m very much looking forward to a full season with you guys!

  12. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 4th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Sam, Chad & Josh -

    Thanks for the oontinuity. Thanks for keeping it fresh. And personally, I didn’t care whether Pete was a Yankees fan and I don’t care whether any of you are Yankees fans or not. Just keep up the good work! :)

  13. saucY January 4th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    i think it’s better now. but it was always awesome!

  14. Rishi January 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Did you all see this from the “break” – I’m just catching up now:

    Justin (Pittsburgh)

    Where does Tony Sanchez rank on your top 100? Is he on it?

    Jim Callis (2:50 PM)

    I only went 50 deep for the Handbook. Sanchez didn’t make that list, but he will be on my Top 100 and I assume he’ll make the official BA Top 100 as well.

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Horace Clark, I don’t see why Phil should get rid of the cutter – it’s a good pitch for him. He’s got a good curve – but in the pen he doesn’t have to use it. I still believe he’ll get a handle on the change-up one day; he’s smart and he works hard, why wouldn’t he? It’s just a matter of time.

  16. upstate kate January 4th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Sam, Chad & Josh
    thanks and congratulations right back at you :)

  17. ditmars1929 January 4th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    The change that I like best is having multiple writers. Just adds more perspective. Great job, guys.

  18. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Sam, Chad, Josh – the three-headed hydra, lol. You guys had big shoes to fill and you’ve done an amazing job – thank you!!!

  19. comfortablynumb January 4th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    I’ve settled in DC area for work and have been on an island for a couple years as far as meaningful discussion of all things Yankees. I was pretty tired of the rumor porn and hearsay that constitutes coverage at ESPN et all. I went home to NY for Thanksgiving and my cousin urged me to check you guys out – I now follow on Twitter and check compulsively for new posts. Excellent work – you guys deserve all the success that goes with 25 million page views.

    PS: 25 million views is a lot. That’s about 70k views per day (raw average). To put that in perspective, when I interned at USATODAY.com 4 years ago, they were happy when their Money section topped 100k views on a given day. Views don’t correlate directly to monetization potential, but they certainly help.

  20. JoeJim January 4th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    i bet the numbers are down next year.

  21. stanzy January 4th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Pete was great. Never had a problem with him (except fr all those posts about Springstein – sheesh). And I actually liked the fact that he engaged, sometimes even in a heated manner, with the readers. This is, after all, a blog, and treating it as a more informal, conversational, medium is appropriate.

    That said, I’d really like the way things have gone, since Chad, Sam and Josh have taken over (though I was under the impression that the multi-author thing was supposed to be temporary, and that Chad was to be Pete’s “replacement”). I really enjoy the more “technical” posts, discussing prospects and such, which I don’t think we saw as often, before. Overall, great job by all 3 writers.

    And although there are some commenters who can be a bit tiresome at times, I admit I spend more time than I should checking and reading through the comment threads. This blog is definitely an enjoyable web destination.

    I’m going to predict 40M+ page views in 2010.

  22. Nick D. January 4th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    I started reading the blog when Pete was here and loved it and I love it now.

    It’s pretty cool having accessible writers here and this whole Yankee community where we can have heated discussions about Yankee minutia like who our #9 hitter should be.

    Great job guys!

  23. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Jim Bowden at FoxSports reporting that Cardinals are close to signing Holliday for 6 years/$98.5 million

    http://twitter.com/JimBowdenIV/status/7372634610

    *******

    The Yankees didn’t want Holliday – that much is pretty clear.

  24. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    January 4th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Just curious – does anyone have any idea as to what 25 million page views means in terms of monetizing this site? Pete and now Chad and Sam put a lot of effort into this blog. I am curious to know if LoHud is receiving enough ad revenues to justify the effort.

    _____________________

    Sure….

    25m pageviews equals 25k CPMs (cost per thousand), which is the standard unit ads are sold. There are different sorts of ads (per impression, per click thru), but assuming a straight per impression rate and the fact that last year was maybe the worst online advertising year ever, and that blog/forum traffic is on the lower end of the value range, I’d estimate they’d have done very well to get $1.00-$2.00 per CPM, with that figure likely being closer to the lower end and perhaps even under.

    Which means perhaps in the neighborhood of $25k in revenue, give or take 5 to 20%.

  25. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    January 4th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    Sam, Chad & Josh -

    Thanks for the oontinuity. Thanks for keeping it fresh. And personally, I didn’t care whether Pete was a Yankees fan and I don’t care whether any of you are Yankees fans or not. Just keep up the good work!

    ————————————————————

    “oontinuity”? Just where did you learn to type and spell, Missy?

  26. SCX January 4th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    But should the blog be in the bullpen, or be a starter?

  27. joeman January 4th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    saw a little something on the MLB trade rumors that the O’s might be willing to trade Luke Scott…know he can hit but can he field & what would the O’s want for him

  28. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Betsy,

    Its not that the Yankees “didn’t want Holliday”.

    They didn’t want him at 16+ million a year, without backloading the deal.

    Big difference between that and not wanting the player.

  29. m January 4th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Loved it then, and love it now!

    I like the multiple POV. Sometimes Chad & Sam jive, somethimes they juke.

    I really like that the trolling’s gone down a bit. Maybe Pete’s “fan club” followed him.

    And I love the minor league insight. Pete often said he didn’t have time to track down answers to questions about certain individuals. But he always passed along what he could. Now we have an inhouse source, and I’m sure that Chad has Mike A. on speed-dial.

    If the Yankees have a command performance, you’ll top last years numbers easily. Go Yankees!

  30. tex's friend January 4th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    The Braves can trade melky to make room for damon? uh, can you give him back to us then?

  31. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 4th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    So because the Yankees didn’t sign Holliday they didn’t want him?

    You clearly live in a bubble of delusion.

  32. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Waitaminute… I’m usually challenging Betsy but this time I have to come down on her side… who is to say the Yankees wanted Holiday?

    You can play the deescalating at “X cost game” all you like and essentially every team wants every player in the price is right, but if Holiday was not a priority for the Yanks, we wasn’t a priority.

    Suggesting he would have been at $12, $10, or whatever million dollars is an needlessly semantical argument.

  33. Gopher January 4th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Sam, Chad, any news on getting registration going etc so we can message other members etc and keep the imposters out?

  34. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 4th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Sam, Chad, and Josh…

    You guys do a phenomenal job.

    Even when there’s no news like the dead period around the holidays, you still managed to write posts that were insightful and encouraged discussion.

    The attention to detail and differing viewpoints of the 3 authors make the blog a must read.

  35. Bronx Born January 4th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Very Well Done Guys- The LoHud blog is greater than ever! It’s filled with passion, intrigue and great info. Thanks.

  36. CB January 4th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Chad and Sam,

    You guys are doing a great job! Keep at it.

  37. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    SJ, that’s true. I’m loving this “new” philosophy where the team sets a value on a player (see Damon, Johnny or Holliday, Matt) that they want and, if they can get that player, great. If not, there are other alternatives. It used to be that the Yankees (see Steinbrenner, George) saw a player as a must-have and did whatever it took to get him (see money). Cash is a tough little guy.

  38. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Stuckey, I could say the moon is not made of green cheese and this poster would challenge me; I wouldn’t take anything he says that pertains to me seriously.

  39. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 4th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    stuckey….. the tone of the post as well as most of her other posts suggests that the Yankees get first crack at every player and the other 29 teams only bid on their leftovers and players they reject.

    Its what leads to the idea of the spoiled uneducated Yankee fan, the type of fan disappointed the team didn’t trade for Halladay, trade for Santana, sign Holliday or Bay, etc.

    Its the same type of fan who points to the “black hole” in LF, the “weaknesses” of the pitching staff, and the overall negative tone associated with the team and their prospects of winning in general.

    Its been going on for years. You would think a World Championship would somehow alter that vierwpoint but unfortunately things remain statud quo with certain fans.

    Which is why lots of people absolutely hate Yankee fans, and who can actually blame them.

  40. Ross January 4th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Congratulations to Sam, Chad & Josh……..well done!

    Perhaps if we all keep writing, furiously, we can raise enough through page views to buy Holliday?

    *removes tongue from where it has been firmly lodged in cheek*

  41. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I have to agree with Betsy, I think saying the Yankees did or did not want Holliday is a question of semantics.

  42. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 4th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    Stuckey, I could say the moon is not made of green cheese and this poster would challenge me; I wouldn’t take anything he says that pertains to me seriously.

    ————————————————————

    Everybody knows that it’s made of colby cheese and that it’s only the green eggs and ham that give it the color.

  43. Wave Your Hat January 4th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Whether or not the Yanks wanted Holliday who can say? Clearly the Yanks did not want Holliday enough.

  44. tex's friend January 4th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Bring back Melky!!!

    Let Atlanta sign Damon and let them trade him back to free some money.

  45. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 4th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    GB7 -

    I didn’t see the typo till after it posted and I decided that ootinuity looks enough like continuity to get away with it! :lol: (It was my eyesight, though, that was the culprit)

  46. CB January 4th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    The team won and the comments on the blog have generally been positive this off season which is good to see.

    The recurrent, unmotivated fights between a few posters however has grown remarkably tedious.

    The insulting language used here is a problem.

  47. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    SJ,

    You really think the Yankees would pony up the amount the Cards are said to be offering, even if it WERE back loaded?

    I don’t see how they would even go for Holliday under that scenario.

  48. tex's friend (Bring back Melky!) January 4th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    We will be fine without Holliday

  49. DaSaint007 January 4th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Congrats to the great team running this blog!

    GB, to answer your question, I’m not sure LA would take Gaudin straight up for Sherrill, but Gaudin could be the starting point of the conversation. Sherrill’s contract is probably more than Gaudin’s will be, so LA would save some $$ there. And they need starting rotation depth after losing Wolf, and we need bullpen depth in my opinion.

  50. CountryClub January 4th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    The Yankees never needed Holliday and I, for one, am very happy he’s finally signing somewhere.

  51. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    They are now running the organization like a true baseball organization.

    You set values on players and you don’t deviate from them because fans and/or media are bored and want something to talk about in the off-season.

    Their budget is MORE than enough to do what needs to be done.

    They acquired an All Star OF (Granderson) for a package of prospects. None of whom included Montero, Chamberlain, Hughes and Romine, the REAL (as the team defines, not fans or websites.) Top 4 propsects in the organization.

    They got Vasquez for next to nothing when you consider the kind of pitcher he is.

    Sorry but, while some fans can get all gaga about a short season RH pitcher, in the baseball world, those guys are a dime a dozen.

    Aroyds Vizcaino may be a star someday. Or, he may be Alan Horne or Christian Garcia.

    Less than 5% of ALL the pitchers who pitch in short season ball make the major leagues. Less than 2% become all stars.

    When you can get an established pitcher like Javy Vasquez for the equivalent of a HS senior/college freshman pitcher, you do it.

    They got Nick Johnson back to DH. If healthy, he is a solid addition to the club.

    They have a healthy Arod from Day One. More interesting young arms (Nova, McAllister, Melancon) who could see action this year.

    The “hole” in LF can be filled in a number of ways. Overall though, it won’t be what sinks this team.

    The organization is well positioned for the future, while still having the ability to defend its World Championship.

    For me, this is a good time to be a Yankee fan. The organization is finally humming on all cylinders.

  52. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    January 4th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    GB7 -

    I didn’t see the typo till after it posted and I decided that ootinuity looks enough like continuity to get away with it! (It was my eyesight, though, that was the culprit)

    ————————————————————

    That’s a completely acceptable excuse, Doreen. I prefer using the dog or the twins, myself.

  53. m January 4th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Did I miss something? Holliday’s signing with St Louis for sure?

  54. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Hoffa,

    98.5? No way.

    If it was in the 80-85 million range, first couple of years backloaded, its in the conversation.

    If the Cardinals offer is indeed true? No way the Yankees were interested at that price.

  55. Erin January 4th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    m
    January 4th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    Did I miss something? Holliday’s signing with St Louis for sure?

    **********************
    From what I’ve seen, they’re just “close” to resigning him

  56. Gopher January 4th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    SJ44, what are your thoughts on the Miami Hurricanes, very disappointing way to end the season. Do you still think Randy Shannon can lead us to a championship, thanks in advance

  57. CountryClub January 4th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    I agree with SJ44. Hal and Cash work like a well oiled machine and the Yanks have had two stellar off seasons because of it.

  58. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Simon, i think the two contracts are about even money. I’d even send $1 mil along, or, maybe a minor league infielder like Luis Nynez along, but no money. Sherrill can pitch well in the AL East. I’ve always liked his arm. He pitches every day, it seems.

  59. blake January 4th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    if that report on Holliday is true then I would have liked to see the Yankees sign him for that money. I think he outplays that contract easily..JMO. I know many disagree but I think that’s a pretty good deal for him

  60. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    like Luis ***Nunez*** along

  61. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    SJ,

    I agree. I’m not even sure they go for it in the 80-85 million range. I just don’t think it fits their plan.

    If they are going to commit to that type of contract my guess is they are saving it for the right pitcher, not a guy like Holliday.

  62. Rose January 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Great blog when Peter was here and continuing with Chad, Josh and Sam. Keep up the good work, gentlemen.

  63. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    CB, I’m sorry. I know that I’m a part of it, but I did not start it with Miggs. I can’t make any comments without him attacking me – how much of that am I supposed to put up with? I’m not a saint – I shouldn’t be expected to hold my tongue beyond what is humanly possible.

    Do you think I enjoy coming onto the board and wondering where the next “zing” is coming from? I didn’t do anything to this guy and anyone who has any sense of objectivity knows that. There is nothing I would like more than to avoid this stuff, but it’s not up to me.

  64. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I tried taking this up with Sam and it didn’t work, by the way.

  65. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I don’t think he outplays that deal at all. Especially if Pujols ever left St. Louis.

    He’s an ok, not great player. He’s getting great money.

    Personally, I don’t think he’s an impact player like Mark Teixeira was for example.

    I don’t think Jason Bay is either and he got big money.

    16+ million a year for a guy who may be a DH in the next 2 years (his defense has declined rapidly the last 2 seasons) is a lot of coin.

    The Cards had to do it because they are trying to keep Pujols happy.

    The Yankees? They didn’t HAVE to do the deal and I’m glad they didn’t. I’d rather keep the roster/payroll flexibility and look at Cliff Lee and other alternatives next off-season.

  66. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “stuckey….. the tone of the post as well as most of her other posts suggests that the Yankees get first crack at every player and the other 29 teams only bid on their leftovers and players they reject.”

    I understand what you are saying, and agree with most of what you said, but *I* didn’t real all that subtext into Betsy’s post, which I assumed you interpreted as if the Yankees wanted Holiday they would have gotten Holiday.

    I read it as a simple statement, that all the holiday talk HERE (and in Yankeeland in general) is moot because the Yankees were never in the market due to lack of serious interest.

    She can correct me if I’m wrong.

  67. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “The ‘hole’ in LF can be filled in a number of ways. Overall though, it won’t be what sinks this team.”

    I really think that hole will be filled by Damon. Unless Damon has too much pride to settle for a pay cut from the Yankees, I don’t think either side will find a better fit.

  68. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    As far as Miami is concerned, until they can put together two deep offensive and defensive lines of quality players, they won’t be “back”.

    They get manhandled way too much upfront and the lack of depth of quality talent is the reason why.

    Until that gets fixed, its a 7-9 win program and nothing more.

    That’s going to be Randy’s biggest challenge going forward.

  69. blake January 4th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    SJ, that’s fine..Teixera is a better player but he’s not 80 million better. We don’t have to agree.

  70. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    With Holliday and Bay off the board, the real (not the Scott Boras market) market will form for Damon.

    If someone out there gives him more than one year, he’s going to go to that team.

    If they are all one year offers, the Yankees are back in play.

    Johnny should have taken the Yankees original offer and called it a day. Not doing so puts him into January without a team.

    Always a tough month to try to find work at above market prices.

  71. Hoffa January 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Given what some of the non-Bay/Holliday outfield contracts have been, I think it is fairly likely that Damon will not have a multi-year offer.

    Even if he does receive a multi-year, would he really accept if it was from a non-contender? I doubt it.

  72. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Stuckey, to be honest, I’m not going to reply to what you think Miggs believes about my post because I simply don’t owe him an explanation. I “get” what he thinks about me and there’s nothing I can do about it. I’m sorry, it’s nothing against you, I promise.

  73. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    He’s 80 million dollars better for several reasons:

    1. He can play longer because he plays a position that doesn’t require as much ground to cover as the OF.

    2. He’s a SH. That’s worth more money in and of itself. The fact that he produces more runs as a SH makes him more valuable than Holliday.

    3. He’s done it in the AL. Matt’s AL experience wasn’t good. That’s a lot of money to tie up on somebody not knowing whether or not they can play in the AL.

    4. Most importantly, they don’t want to tie up that kind of money on a LF who isn’t a difference maker. He’s not a difference maker. Tex is and proved it this season.

    Never discount a players ability to win games with his glove as well as his bat.

    As we saw in the post-season when Tex wasn’t hitting, he was helping the team win with his glove. We saw the opposite with Holliday in the post-season.

    He’s a good player and a good guy and I’m glad he got paid. I’m also glad the Yankees didn’t tie up that kind of money on him because they would limit their options next year in a MUCH better free agent class.

  74. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    “SJ, that’s fine..Teixera is a better player but he’s not 80 million better. We don’t have to agree.”

    No one has to agree, but that’s dubious logic blake.

    One player has nothing to do with another. You SEEM to be suggesting that Mark Teixeira’s deal now has to be the barometer in which the Yankees determine market values and further suggesting that if they can sign players that will somehow produce at a most cost-effective ratio than Tex, that they should be signed.

    Holiday and tex have nothing to do with one another, at least in the sense of determining how the Yankees should spend their money.

  75. Rishi January 4th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Justin (Pittsburgh)

    Where does Tony Sanchez rank on your top 100? Is he on it?

    Jim Callis (2:50 PM)

    I only went 50 deep for the Handbook. Sanchez didn’t make that list, but he will be on my Top 100 and I assume he’ll make the official BA Top 100 as well.

  76. Laura January 4th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I’ve said this before a hundred times – I don’t see how STL has $$$ left for Pujols in 2012 if they give Holliday close to $17M/year. Let’s get real here – in theory, Pujols should command Alex Rodriquez money. Since that kind of money only comes from one team (us) and we’ve got 1B locked up indefinitely, Pujols knows that he can’t get that kind of coin. He can get close to it, but not from STL. I think that STL is hoping to win these next two years and then let Pujols walk. I don’t think they expect to keep him. My guess is that they expect him to end up with BOS or elsewhere. That’s the only explanation as to why they would sign Holliday for all of that money.

  77. Drive 4- 5 January 4th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Sam, Chad & Josh

    Let me echo the sentiments of many. You guys are doing yeomens work to keep this blog more vibrant than ever. We certainly appreciate how hard it must be with the dearth of Yankee news recently. Keep up the great work..and thank you!

    I’ve been a Boston Globe reader for over 30 years. The Red Sox “Nation” just does not get it when it comes to blogging. Pete’s work is mostly scorned and the few participants are obsessed with the Yankees’ payroll and/or Adrian Gonzalez. Ad nauseum. Pete’s Red Sox blog is nothing like ours is here.

  78. Laura January 4th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “Johnny should have taken the Yankees original offer and called it a day. Not doing so puts him into January without a team.”

    I don’t understand why Damon hasn’t come back to the Yankees now saying that he’ll take whatever they offer. Or maybe he has and they said no thanks???

  79. RiveraBlues January 4th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    All – This is a congratulations to the fans, Sam, Chad, and yes PeteAbe who make is this site a must visit. I have been a Yankees fan since I was a kid back in the early 70′s. As a grown man now with a family, I still get a kick out of watching and reading everything about ‘my’ team.

    I am waiting patiently for number 28!…GO YANKS!

  80. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Blake-

    You know where I stand.

  81. Jerkface January 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Pujols could give STL a discount in the 20-25 mil a year range, which would give STL 40-60 million dollars to spend on the rest of the team.

    And he would be worth it.

    (the yankees should give him whatever he wants to play 1b and rotate DH with Tex)

    More money if he can demonstrate an ability to play in the OF as he once did.

  82. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Rishi,

    BA did a nice story on Tony last month. They seem to be “softening” his stance as a wasted draft pick by the Pirates.

    Perhaps they talked to enough baseball people (rather than listening to their own voices) to form a different opinion.

    He’s been invited to major league ST and reports on 2/15.

    He may get to play in the opening ST game against the Yankees in March.

  83. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    CB, I also completely agree with your post about the Yankee organization…couldn’t have said it better myself.

  84. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    IMO Pujols aint giving the Cards or anyone else a discount nor should he.

    He is in a class by himself.

  85. Laura January 4th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    “Pujols could give STL a discount in the 20-25 mil a year range, which would give STL 40-60 million dollars to spend on the rest of the team.”

    I don’t know about that, Jerkface. It sounds like it would be Holliday, Pujols and 23 bums. What about Carpenter? Don’t you have to pay him too?

  86. jvcelt January 4th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    another coooold day, and another day closer to johnny ‘wwf-raw’ damon coming back to our lf, on reasonable, mutually respectful terms.
    then, our lineup can be complete..

    jeter
    damon
    n johnson
    tex
    arod
    posada
    cano
    swisher
    granderson

    hopefully, we add a right-handed bat who can play decent of, and we r ready to roll to #28.

  87. blake January 4th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Stuckey, I didn’t compare tex and Holliday, SJ did..I was just giving my opinion. I think Holliday is a very good player and would have been worth that contract..sorry if others don’t agree but they have a right to disagree.

    SJ, you make good points but I still think Holliday is worth that money. I never said he was as good as Teixera or would make as big an impact as Teixera, he’s not being paid as such either…

  88. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    St. Louis is at around 75 mil right now. The only big unknown contracts they have over the next 3 years are Pujols, Ludwick and Holliday. They sell out every night, so, they might hit 100 mil, but not much over that. Their 3 big starters are signed through 2012 and 2013. They can handle Pujols and Holliday.

  89. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    If JD wants to accept the Abreu solution why not welcome him back.

    I dont think it’s gonna happen though.

  90. Jerkface January 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    I don’t know about that, Jerkface. It sounds like it would be Holliday, Pujols and 23 bums. What about Carpenter? Don’t you have to pay him too?

    If Pujols wants to give them a discount, and he will have to fight the union to do it, then it is extremely possible for the Cardinals to form a team with 40-60 million. Thats the same as some payrolls.

  91. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Albert Pujols isn’t changing positions, or alternating positions, with anybody.

    He will stay at first base and it will most likely be in St. Louis.

    They have a very successful franchise financially and the organization knows he IS the franchise.

    Like Joe Mauer, a deal will get done that keeps him a Cardinal for the rest of his career.

  92. Jerkface January 4th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Signing Holliday is actually Step 1 in retaining Pujols. He wants STL to stay competitive, and I think he was tired of being the only real bat on his team. Holliday also guarantees the Cardinals will have a high end hitter on the team if Albert does walk.

    While I don’t agree with SJ44 that Pujols would never change positions or whatever, I do agree that the cardinals will keep him.

  93. Joe from Long Island January 4th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I think the odds of Damon coming back to the team aren’t good, for two reasons –

    1. Cash has said he’s wary of a player coming back for significantly less money, and the effect it can have on his clubhouse persona. They did it for Andy Pettitte, but they needed him to fill out the rotation.

    2. The Yanks’ offer of $7M per year for up to two was prefaced on his being the primary DH, and spot LF. Now that the DH spot is filled, they are looking for a primary starting LF. I don’t know if Cash looks at Damon to fill that spot, at that kind of money. The other options – Reed Johnson, trade for DeJesus, or whatever Cash has in mind – might be less expensive/preferable.

  94. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    SJ, That would be fantastic. Tony has a nice little rooting section here and I’ve always sort of liked the Pirates – I hope they can finally put a good run together.

  95. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    If the Cardinals keep him, he’s staying at first base.

    He’s probably the best defensive first baseman in the game. He’s the best hitter in the game.

    There is no reason for him to go anywhere that would require him to change positions.

    Unlike Arod, who was desperate to go to a winning team, the Cardinals are a winning team.

    Unlike Arod, he can’t play other positions at this point in his career. Not after 2 elbow surgeries.

    He is stay at first, where he belongs.

  96. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Carpenter and Wainwright are signed for the next 3 and 4 years and Lohse for the next two years.

  97. crawdaddy January 4th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    If a National League team like the Giants or Braves give Damon a two year contract then he’ll take it like SJ stated, but Damon’s stats will suffer in the process and either team will regret their decision.

  98. Jerkface January 4th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    This is silly fantasy wish fulfillment but I just want to throw this out there:

    Jeter Teixeira Pujols A-rod Montero Cano Granderson Swisher Leftfielder

    Man that would be silly. if I were Cashman I’d work all my moves to see that happen if Pujols hit FA, just to see the looks on every other teams face come next season.

  99. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I for one am glad we did not get Holliday, his numbers were awful, granted a small sampling, but for 3 months he didn’t do squat for the A’s. All of a sudden he gets real protection and moves to the inferior NL and he’s hitting again. You can’t even put him and Tex in the same category. One plays gold glove caliber D and the other is another guy in the OF, and one has been in the AL 95% of his time while the other in the NL 95%, and Tex still has better numbers; should be a case closed issue IMO.

    I also feel that Gardner can do the job if Cash doesn’t get another LF. When he plays he produces. Before he was hurt this year he was flirting with ROY, he was totally filling up the stat sheet and was playing stellar D!

    I want to congratulate the blog for all the success, i wonder how it stacks up against other sporting blogs? My guess would be not even close, but who knows.
    My only problem with Pete was his negativity. You just knew that he wasn’t a fan (more importantly that he was a sox guy) by the way he wrote, at least some of the time. He was constantly beating the same drum about the fences, Arod, it got old…you guys have raised the bar, at least in that category, again IMO. I also don’t recall getting as much great minor league info, keep up the good work!

  100. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Joe, I just don’t think Damon would ever crawl back to the Yankees. If he wanted to be here bad enough, he never would have taken the tack he did (don’t bother calling if you don’t offer me $13 million for 2 years). I know that was Boras, but Damon is the boss and Boras doesn’t do anything without his clients’ knowledge. I do agree, though, about him not being an everyday LF. Either he or NJ would have to DH and NJ will rest enough when Jeter, Alex, etc….get their ½ days off. Nick would become a part-time player if he also had to sit in favor of Damon.

    I also hesitate to make any more trades – the farm system has been dinged up thanks to the trades we have made and I don’t think Cash is going to want to ding it anymore.

  101. Drive 4- 5 January 4th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Baseball should do everything it can so that teams can keep franchise players like Puljos in St Louis, Mauer in MN, and Adrian Gonzalez in San Diego. It benefits the entire game when a team can put a face on the franchise, like Jeter is for the Yankees.

    Perhaps in the next contract they could do something along the lines of letting teams designate a certain number players to be franchise players. If another team wants to sign a “franchise player”, the team that signs them has to pay a fee into the general fund that is dispersed with the merchandise & media money. In turn, the franchise that re-signs their “franchise players” get a bonus from the general fund to help offset the cost. Crazy, but I’m sure the concept could be improved. It would be a shame to see a Joe Mauer not re-sign with the Twins.

  102. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Joe,

    I think you raise the ultimate point re: Damon.

    Its pretty tough for a player to return to his team taking a big $$ hit. Especially when he had a good season.

    They always rationalize taking that kind of hit when going to another team as a “marketplace” issue.

    They traditionally have a harder time justifying the marketplace when its with their last team.

    For the Yankees and Johnny to work something out, it would require Johnny to convince Cashman he can play for one year and “X” amount of dollars.

    If convinced, I think Cash would add a little more to the pot and they would get a one year deal done.

    At this point though, it would only be for one year.

    Which is why I think its highly unlikely Johnny would come back.

  103. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I think everyone should really take a step backwards and look at the market in the next few years.

    There is going to be Pujols, and Mauer, and Felix Hernadez, then guys like Greinke, Hanley Ramirez and Longoria down the road. Not to mention Lincecum, Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez.

    You can’t use the logic that only two teams can afford the $20+ million ALL these players could command, because even Boston and the Yankees can’t keep adding all these players.

    Looked in the broad view, the market is ripe for a correction. The argument that there are players that deserve to in the conversation of of salaries in the neighborhood of Sabathia to A-Rod can’t exist in a vacuum.

    SOMEONE has to be able to “afford” all these players, PLUS the $15 to $18 million dollar ones, and it can’t just be the two teams.

    Either other teams are going to find ways to afford these players, OR regardless of what A-=Rod got, and Tex and CC, and what Jeter might get, that money won’t be available in unlimited supply.

  104. joeman January 4th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    OK Cash cut the crap and go get a LFer

  105. Christina25 January 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The Red Sox “Nation” just does not get it when it comes to blogging.

    What do you mean?

  106. kd January 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    sj,

    can they afford to pay him more than arod?

  107. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Do we have to thank the trolls and impersonators for reaching this milestone?

    Not sure how much commission that comes out to. But can you pass some overage to Mr.Stealth so he can sign a outfielder to play left field and not go with a benchwarmer with wheels?

  108. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Christina25
    January 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    The Red Sox “Nation” just does not get it when it comes to blogging.

    What do you mean?

    ————————————————————

    You want the truth? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

  109. Pat M. January 4th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    SJ, Great news on Tony…..I still say he’s a callup in 2011…..Brent Mayne told me last June that he was the best catcher in the draft….His concernonly concern was his ability to improve on pitch reconizition at thePro level…..Defensively, he’s a year away

  110. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Baseball should do everything it can so that teams can keep franchise players like Puljos in St Louis, Mauer in MN, and Adrian Gonzalez in San Diego.

    ===========

    For a moment i thought it read to keep franchise players going to the Yankees. Which i was going to agree 100%. Not so much anymore. We wouldnt have C.C., Alex, Tex, Pavano if it was to change. Im still waiting for Pujolz to bat dh.

  111. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    The three great debates:

    LF ?

    Joba vs Hughes ?

    and

    which is better “mounds”, or “almond joy” ?

  112. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “Stuckey, I didn’t compare tex and Holliday, SJ did..I was just giving my opinion. I think Holliday is a very good player and would have been worth that contract.”

    Blake you’re comparing him to SOMEONE to say he will “outplay his contract” – that’s by definition a comparative statement.

    And “worth the contract” is also irrelevant to a team on a budget.

    Believe me, I’ve read enough of your posts over the weeks to safely conclude the relative price you think he could be available in your mind would make him a player you’d receive excellent comparable value from.

    And you might be right in that regard, but that’s an argument for ANY and EVERY team to sign him, it’s no more specific to the Yankees as it is to the Marlins, because while the Yankees could place him in left field, pretty much every team needs his bat more than the Yankees.

    Your argument doesn’t make a compelling case for the Yankees to sign him. You’re basically saying you should always buy a good meal at a discount rate, even if you aren’t hungry.

  113. Laura January 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “Carpenter and Wainwright are signed for the next 3 and 4 years and Lohse for the next two years.”

    For some reason, I thought Carpenter’s contract was up the same time as Pujols. That’s what I get for not closely following the NL.

  114. David in Cal January 4th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I no longer hope Damon returns. I’d like to see what Gardner can do going into what’s essentially his second season in the bigs. And, having signed NJ means Damon would have to play the field every day.

    However, I’m beginning to think the Yanks may be planing to sign Damon if and when his price comes down enough. The reason I think so is that the Yanks haven’t moved to sign Reed Johnson, someone who seems like a perfect platoon partner for Gardy or Grandy. They seem to be holding that outfield spot open.

  115. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Stuckey-

    JMO but the Yankees ought to be hungry if gardener is their LF’er.

  116. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 4th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    You are welcome!!!

    Thank you guys for making this blog so awesome ;-)

  117. Laura January 4th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    This notion that Pujols is definitely going to stay with STL might not be true. Think about it – he’s been watching lesser players get paid handsomely while he toils away in STL. If someone beats STL’s offer, why shouldn’t he take it? This isn’t Mauer we’re talking about. Mauer is MIN born and raised. He has ties to MIN that no $$$ can break. Pujols could be different. I’m looking forward to seeing how this all unfolds.

  118. Christina25 January 4th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    You want the truth? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

    You think so? If I can handle a child with special needs and 3 surgeries two on my thigh and one on my lung I think I can handle some blogger’s comments.

  119. Drive 4- 5 January 4th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Christina25
    January 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    The Red Sox “Nation” just does not get it when it comes to blogging.

    “What do you mean?”

    They dont run with a topic like folks do here. There are seldom more than 30 responses to a post.Pete’s latest post is today and the subjest was Jason Bay. He got only 29 responses.Yesterday he posted about Adrian Gonzalez.It also only had 29 responses. His prior post only had 35 responses. Each topic here usually reaches hundreds of responses and the topics are always changing.

  120. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Pat M.
    January 4th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
    SJ, Great news on Tony…..I still say he’s a callup in 2011…..Brent Mayne told me last June that he was the best catcher in the draft….His concernonly concern was his ability to improve on pitch reconizition at thePro level…..Defensively, he’s a year away

    ————————————————————

    Pat, remember earlier today when we were talking about Jim Bouton? Bouton is the guy responsible (in a way) of ending the career of Steve Dalkowski. Dalkowski had finally made the Baltimore Orioles team in ST of ’63. In his next to last start of ST, he fielded a bunt by Bouton and when he threw to first, his elbow popped. Never saw him except on a couple of grainy videos, but, Ted Williams said that he was the only pitcher that ever scared him.

    Dalkowski was the model for Nuke LaLoosh

  121. PittsburghYankeeFan January 4th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    SJ et al

    I think JD does come back for at least one year. Probably like $7-8 x 1 with a team option when the best he’ll get outside the Yankees is likely $5-6 x 2-3. He lost year 2 of the deal when he waited.

    Johnny then can convince himself that the Yankees gave him an above market deal.

    It’s really a fit for both the club and the player.

    This is reminiscent of the Varitek situation a few years ago, with the difference being that JD is a better player right now than Varitek.

  122. Drive 4- 5 January 4th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    S.o.S,

    I hear ya and appreciate where youre coming from.But it’s in the best interest of the sport for Mauer to be a Twin long term IMO.

  123. mick January 4th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    For the Yankees and Johnny to work something out, it would require Johnny to convince Cashman he can play for one year and “X” amount of dollars.
    ============================================
    SJ
    That might be all he gets anywhere. Puts him in another walk year and Free Agency again. Good for both parties, no?
    Maybe add some incentives?

  124. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    To all football fans.
    Take a look at these nfl teams new logos. Comedy!! Not sure about my Colts new logo.

    http://www.tauntr.com/content/.....redesigned

    Who’s the worst/funniest?

  125. SJ44 January 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Pat M,

    Brent definitely centered on the weakness in his game.

    Its going to be interesting to see how he adjusts to better pitching in the Florida State League.

    He is starting the season in the FSL with the Pirates new franchise in Bradenton.

    If he makes the adjustment at the plate, I could a mid-season callup to AA in the plans.

    He was better later in the season with pitch recognition but, its still needs work.

    He’s already hitting right now and getting jacked up for his 2/15 report date.

  126. stuckey January 4th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “JMO but the Yankees ought to be hungry if gardener is their LF’er.”

    But he’s a perfectly adaquate meal as a 9-hitter.

    The Yankees have gourmet breakfasts, lunches, dinners, deserts and midnight snacks and the pantry is full for in-between knoshing.

    Complaining about the quality of available options when you wake up and want a bite in the middle of the night seems a little unseemly in the grand scheme of things.

  127. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Drive 4-5,
    Its in the best interest to mlb for the Yanks to be in the playoffs and win regularly. No one wants to watch the Twins and Nationals in the world series. They should change the name from MLB to NYYLB. Its all about the Yankees.

    Ill give you Mauer staying in minnisota only because he’s from Fargo, Minny. Some kind of Yupper. At least thats what i got from that espn commercial.

  128. Pat M. January 4th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    SJ…I’ve watched film of Tony at the plate….The only thing that The Pirates might want to do with him as he moves up in their system, would be his hands….Maybe they think they’re too high which could be an issue on late breaking pitches on the outer part of the plate…..Other than that he has great mechanics…Not too busy if you know what I mean, as far as his swing and addressing the pitch…..

  129. Christina25 January 4th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    drive 4-5
    People here converse with each other.Some people here have more that 10 comments. You dont see that there. It doesnt mean that they dont understand how to blog.

  130. RayVT January 4th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    As far as Holiday goes, I’d love to have him in LF at Yankee Stadium playing for NYY. But I’d like a lot of players, Pujols, J Johnson, etc. Economics of this guy instead of these adds up and I think the Yankees have several ideas for LF. As a fan I want to know now. As a Yankee, I believe the prices are tumbling and a deal will be made for an adequate LF perhaps even Damon. There is plenty of time IMO before a real full-time LF is necessary. (Before Sept 1 at latest, around AS break would be nice.)

  131. Joe from Long Island January 4th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan – Yes, I could see where that scenario might work. Might. There’s been a lot of water gone under that bridge, but Cash knows what Damon brings to the table, hitting wise (like he knows about Brett Gardner), and a limited deal like that might do it.

    BTW, I spent three years of my life in Pittsburgh. Nice place for those three years in my life, seemed like a nice enough place to raise a young family. But, that was a lot of years ago, 1984-87. OMG, now I’m feeling really old!

  132. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Assuming we dont land a #5 hitter. What do you guys think about batting Cano #3 where he would get a dose of fastballs batting in front of Alex. Put Tex at #5 behind Alex for protection. Thoughts?

  133. Andrew January 4th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    lohud = better with sam and chad.

  134. RayVT January 4th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    SJ
    I didn’t know you were a Cane fan. I am a Hokie, and IMO Randy S is not a good fit for UM. I agree though with some great OL & DL you can hide a lot of other deficiencies, but UM hasn’t had that since Randy has been there. I also think the team loses focus easily for some reason unless they are playing a rival team. Then I think the players (who are great talents) take over and play their games.

  135. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Stuckey-

    two points of disagreement:

    1 I am not at all convinced that GGBG is perfectly adequate meal in the 9 hole. Compared to whom, or which food ?

    2 “Complaining about the quality of available options when you wake up and want a bite in the middle of the night seems a little unseemly in the grand scheme of things.”

    No one is complaining just merely suggesting that GGBG might be able to be improved upon, and if you interpret that as complaining then you are entitled to your opinion. my opinion is that GGBG needs to up his game, and if he doesn’t I dont like giving away outs from any spot in our lineup. For me, right now, he is a patch and not a solution. And that patch could either hold, or rupture creating problems.

  136. RayVT January 4th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 4th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    I actually like the idea. I think Cano is going to thrive this year.

  137. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    I couldn’t agree more with giving Gardner a shot, assuming nothing happens with JD in the next few weeks. He’s a defensive upgrade over Melky, only he’s much more of a threat offensively because his singles will be like doubles. His numbers are really not that bad.

  138. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    S.o.S-

    Sorry but I would be against it. I like Cano further down in the lineup.

  139. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I couldn’t agree more with giving Gardner a shot, assuming nothing happens with JD in the next few weeks. He’s a defensive upgrade over Melky, only he’s much more of a threat offensively because his singles will almost always be like auto-doubles. His numbers are really not that bad and he’s homegrown.

    You don’t need all stars everywhere…

  140. Erin January 4th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 4th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    To all football fans.
    Take a look at these nfl teams new logos. Comedy!! Not sure about my Colts new logo.

    http://www.tauntr.com/content/…..redesigned

    Who’s the worst/funniest?

    **********************
    Those are hilarious. I especially liked how they did the Vikings and Packers. :)

  141. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    I like Cano – he’s amazingly talented – but until he proves himself more than a bottom of the order hitter, no thanks. He can’t handle anything higher than 6th in the batting order.

  142. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Mike-

    We may not need stars but we dont need uncertainty, and right now GGBG represents a lot of uncertainty for some folks.

    Rather have more of a sure thing.

    JMO

  143. RayVT January 4th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    I believe Hoffman has a better chance of starting in LF than Gardner. Gardner has no arm and I believe with the way he misjudges flyballs in CF that he will have even more troubles in LF with the ball slicing off LH batters. And for the last time, there is no way Gardner is a better corner OF than Melky! I don’t think he is as good a CF either, but at a corner position Gardner is weak at best. (He is a step above Damon, but not by much.)

  144. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Betsy-

    And cano looks awesome in his Ninja mode.

  145. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    SOS, as much as I like Cano he’s not ready for the 3hole yet. He’s doesn’t walk nearly enough, plus he’s got that ugly RISP going from last year (he needs to prove he can produce more IMO). I think you can move him maybe behind Arod at 5, personally I put Jorgie there until he stops driving in runs, but Cano will be moving up soon.

  146. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Having Gardner hit #9 on the Yankees is like someone owning a carrera and not affording the gas to fill it. Makes no sense.

    MTU,
    With Cano being an impatient hitter. I would agree to keep him down in the lineup, if it wasnt that he would be getting meat balls down the middle batting in the 3 slot.

  147. joeman January 4th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Gardner is good at what he does, pinch run and play some D…don’t need a star in LF just a player thats better than him. If they don’t come up with someone now, come May or June they’ll be looking

  148. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Thanks Erin,
    I should have known you would be one to look. It took me a little while to get that G in purple. I liked the Patriots with a camcorder.

    Have a laugh people and look at these logos. Some are well thought out.

  149. blake January 4th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Stuckey, no its more like buying cheap real estate than it is cheap food. When I said that I thought he would “outplay that contact” that is only comparing him to the worth of his deal. I’m fine with them not signing him, all I said was that I thought it was a pfetty good deal.

  150. pat January 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    adrian beltre’s choosing between 3 teams. 1 is boston, another may be oakland. the 3rd? twins? cardinals? not positive.
    about 4 hours ago from web

    Source: A’s “out” on Beltre: “Gave it best shot, but it’s over.”
    25 minutes ago from web

  151. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    MTU -

    Re: Mounds vs. Almond Joy

    (Because I’m so freakin’ tired of the other stuff!! :lol: )

    I love the dark chocolate on Mounds and the almonds in the Almond Joy.

    I made my own once – dark chocolate almond joys. Yummy!

    And now, I think you gave me the itch to make them again! Thanks. I think. :)

  152. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    S.o.S.-

    Meatballs or not he still would be impatient. Can you imagine the #’s he might put up if he wasn’t so much of a hacker, and actually observed a bit more plate discipline ?

    as it it is he seems to make contact with some pretty guerrero-type pitches.

    I was always amazed by the trade Cano proposals. I am so happy they never happened.

    The guy is only gonna get better IMO.

  153. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    plus he’s got that ugly RISP going from last year (he needs to prove he can produce more IMO). I think you can move him maybe behind Arod at 5,

    ========

    Then putting him at the #5 would be a total nightmare. RISP all day long.

    joeman,
    Couldnt have said it better myself. Im not looking for an all star. Just not a Crosby starting in left.

  154. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Doreen-

    It does seem one of the great debates in all of the world !

    Enjoy, and make some for me please.

  155. Erin January 4th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    MTU
    January 4th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    Betsy-

    And cano looks awesome in his Ninja mode.

    ********************
    OMG, I LOVE Robbie’s ninja look! I was watching a little bit of Game 2 of the ALCS the other night on MLB Network, and was very happy to see him in all of his ninja glory. :)

  156. DaSaint007 January 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    GB, you may be right. Sherril for Gaudin straight up, or Sherrill for Gaudin plus a low-level prospect.

    ST

  157. Christina25 January 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    I bet the Angels are the other team. They do have a need so I think they will win the bid.

  158. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    I have no idea what Ninja mode is……..

  159. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Betsy-

    When he wore the ski mask.

  160. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    MTU,
    He kills me when he swings at a pitch in the dirt with runners on and hits a week ground ball to second. I thought he was turning the corner at the start of last year. Taking more walks and being more patient.

    The amazing part about Cano is someone here did some research last winter and found out that his batting avg. was much higher in the first pitch hitting. Second pitch was the next highest 300 +. It dropped considerably after that. Hard to believe, i know.

  161. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 4th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    I think Girardi’s going to do some lineup experimentation in spring training. Try out a few things. I don’t think there’s any one right way to work the lineup with the current components. And I haven’t given up on Cano moving up in the order. But I do think it can’t be this momentous thing, which it’s always been.

    I think if they move him up, they have to do it from the get-go and keep him there and not make a big deal out of it.

  162. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    plus he’s got that ugly RISP going from last year (he needs to prove he can produce more IMO). I think you can move him maybe behind Arod at 5,

    ========

    Then putting him at the #5 would be a total nightmare. RISP all day long.

    joeman,
    Couldnt have said it better myself. Im not looking for an all star. Just not a Crosby starting in left.

    ========
    I think you can move him maybe behind Arod at 5, personally I put Jorgie there until he stops driving in runs, but Cano will be moving up soon.

    Key words were maybe and put Jorgie there, I didn’t suggest to move him there on a whim, I was simply responding to a posed question.

  163. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    S.o.S-

    that’s interesting.
    anyway, we aint changin the spots on that leopard.

    I absolutely love his athleticism.

    I wish he were a bit faster on the bases though. It surprises me that he isn’t ?

    He’s kinda lean and I always wondered why he wasn’t faster.

  164. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 4th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    MTU -

    It’s one of the few candies that haven’t changed too much from what I remember them tasting like when I was younger. I let you know if I actually make some. :)

  165. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Doreen, the thing is, Cano hasn’t earned the “right” to hit higher. I’ve said it before, but he’s a very limited player given his ability.

    MTU, thanks – lol, I agree – he looks neat in that. I always like seeing him when he’s really happy (like right after the last out of the WS) because he always looks like he’s going to cry.

    The freakiest face I saw this year was Tex’ expression when Alex hit his GS in Tampa to get to 30/100. Absolutely hilarious, lol

  166. Bronx Born January 4th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Doreen I am with you.. Put almonds on the mounds and I would be more than happy.

  167. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Doreen-

    While we’re on the subject of food.

    Did you ever have roasted chesnuts from a vendor stand ?

    I can still remember how much I liked them on a cold day as a kid.

    I’ll stop now.

  168. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    So, I wonder if Kevin Towers officially signed …….

  169. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    DaSaint007
    January 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    GB, you may be right. Sherril for Gaudin straight up, or Sherrill for Gaudin plus a low-level prospect.

    ST

    ————————————————————

    I was looking at what LA needs and a #4 starter and swing man fits that need. They also are a bit thin in minor league infielders. Nunez has speed and a good middle infielder’s glove. His bat may or may not work. NYYs need a lefty/8th inning guy.

  170. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Ken Rosenthal thinks Chapman is going to the Marlins, lol

  171. m January 4th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Christina,

    Sorry to hear about your son and your personal health problems. All the best.

    It takes a lot of fortitude to deal with such things, but on things Red Sox you’re a little thin-skinned. ;)

  172. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Noted Mike.

    Has there ever been a .300 lifetime hitter that continued to stay at the bottom of a lineup as Cano? I can remember the loaded Sox team in 04(mueller i think) with their 3rd baseman winning the batting title i believe(hit Mo well that year). I mean year in and year out through out their career.

  173. Carl January 4th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    # Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day January 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Ken Rosenthal thinks Chapman is going to the Marlins, lol

    MLB Network just said the same thing.

  174. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Name the best chocolate bar a known brand came up with later on that was better than the original?

    I have to go with Peanut Butter Twix over the original twix.

  175. MTU January 4th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Carl-

    Then the Marlins must have come up with 20 Large.

    A fairytale.

  176. m January 4th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    4:39pm: Edes says the Red Sox made an offer to Beltre. He thinks a heavily-backloaded two-year deal would make sense, since the Sox are up against the luxury tax. However, MLBTR reader Michael T. points out that for the purposes of the luxury tax, backloading the contract would not matter.

    =========================

    LoL. Did Edes have made a mistake?

  177. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 4th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    plus he’s got that ugly RISP going from last year (he needs to prove he can produce more IMO). I think you can move him maybe behind Arod at 5,

    ========

    Then putting him at the #5 would be a total nightmare. RISP all day long.

    joeman,
    Couldnt have said it better myself. Im not looking for an all star. Just not a Crosby starting in left.

    ————————————————————

    It’s not as if Cano hasn’t had good seasons with rISP. He was .263 in 2008, .290 in 2007 amd .306 in 2006.

  178. Mike_Boston January 4th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I can’t think of any .300 hitters consistently batting that low. Mueller did hit 9th that year he won the batting title (like you said SOS), but yea I can’t really think of any other cases. Also most teams don’t have the luxury of having as deep a lineup as the NYY do year in/out. You almost feel sorry for fans of other teams, almost ;)

  179. blake January 4th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    The Marlins are pretty darn good at evaluating young players, the fact that they are this interested says something to me..

  180. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    It’s not as if Cano hasn’t had good seasons with rISP. He was .263 in 2008, .290 in 2007 amd .306 in 2006.

    ========

    GB7,
    With those numbers, where do you project Cano batting up in the lineup?

  181. S.o.S. January 4th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    New thread.

  182. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 4th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Wisdom from MLBtraderumors.com

    Remaining Top 50 Free Agents
    By Tim Dierkes [January 4 at 11:59am CST]
    MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents list was published on November 9th. 25 of those 50 players have signed. Here’s a list of the remaining 25, with fresh guesses on where they might land.

    1. Matt Holliday – Cardinals. The market for Holliday this winter proved smaller than expected, making a reunion with the Cards likely.

    7. Jose Valverde – Athletics. This is a stretch, but I am looking for a team that could offer $6MM and a closing job and not have to surrender their first-round pick. The Pirates seem to have set their sights on lesser relievers.

    9. Adrian Beltre – Red Sox. As with J.D. Drew, the Sox seem the team most likely to value this Scott Boras client the way Boras does. Mike Lowell and the luxury tax stand in Boston’s way, but they still appear more likely to offer, say, two years and $18MM than the Orioles, A’s, or Mariners are.

    12. Johnny Damon – Yankees. They’re still a logical fit, on a one-year deal in the $6-7MM range. That’s not what Damon and Boras are looking for, but it’s hard to find a match beyond possibly the Braves even at that price.

  183. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 4th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    It’s not as if Cano hasn’t had good seasons with rISP. He was .263 in 2008, .290 in 2007 amd .306 in 2006.

    ========

    GB7,
    With those numbers, where do you project Cano batting up in the lineup?

    ————————————————————

    He’s a little over .300 out of the #6 spot and about .298 in the #5 spot. He’s also a .352 hitter in the #7 spot. Another thing that people ignore. Everyone wants to make sure that Rodriguez has protection behind him. Cano usually had Swisher and Cabrera or Cabrera and Molina this past year and it was even worse in 2008. He can hit and be productive in any of those spots, but, he isn’t going to walk in any spot.

  184. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Make that .342 in the #7 spot.

  185. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 4th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Twitter Rosenthal, says Wang received a positive report from Dr Andrews, could throw off mound in 6-8 weeks. Agent expects heightened interest!

  186. Ross January 4th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 4th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    GB, I hear Boston has some fantastic shopping…I should either ask Peter Gammons or Leigh Tex. It’s not all that bad, lol (actually, I love Boston).

    ————————————-

    Newbury Street (even the Public Garden end) is not a patch on New York…………

  187. EricNS January 4th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Thanks – Pete did a great job setting this up but you two have built well on this and made it your own – Mickey Mantle following Joe D!

  188. Ken January 5th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Sam: You can’t write that post without acknowledging Pete’s efforts. You wouldn’t be doing this if he didn’t do what he did. I like this blog but I do miss him.

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