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A few notes from Cashman

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 06, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After the Hall of Fame announcement, I checked in with Brian Cashman. The Yankees general manager confirmed a report that Sergio Mitre has avoided arbitration and agreed to a one-year deal for next season. Jerry Crasnick says it’s worth $850,000. It’s a non-guaranteed deal.

Understandably, a lot of Yankees fans are down on Mitre — his 6.79 ERA last year probably has something to do with that — but he was only a year removed from Tommy John surgery in 2009, and actually began the season less than a year removed. As he gets further from the procedure, his arm strength should improve. That’s why he’s going to get another look this spring.

A few other notes from Cashman:

• The Yankees remain in the market for an outfielder, but not a starting outfielder. “I consider this position I’m playing in as a bench role,” Cashman said. “Right-handed hitting outfielder that Joe can look on the bench and say, I’m not going to start one of my left-handers, I’m going to start a right-hander.”

• “I don’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield,” Cashman said. Feel free to interpret that quote however you’d like.

• The Yankees have a right-handed outfielder on the bench, but it’s unproven Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann, and the Yankees aren’t going to count on him to fill a role. He’s more of an option than a sure thing. “It’s not like he’s our guy that we’ve had a history with and we know what his strengths and weaknesses are,” Cashman said.

• Cashman on utility infielders: “I wouldn’t say you’re ever happy, but we have a number of infielders.”

• Cashman on using Francisco Cervelli as the backup catcher: “As of right now that’s the direction we’re going.”

• My own interpretation of the previous two statements: The Yankees know they have players who can fill those roles, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely out of the market for infielders and catchers.

• Cashman said he is not looking for bullpen help: “I’m always interested in pitching, but what I have left, that’s not the focus. Non-roster invites and position player bench (are the focus).”

• Phil Hughes, Boone Logan, Francisco Cervelli and Romulo Sanchez each have one option left. Joba Chamberlain has three. I didn’t specifially ask about Dave Robertson, Mark Melancon or Edwar Ramirez, but I know those three also have at least one option left. So do all of the recent 40-man additions, as well as Juan Miranda and Brett Gardner.

• Cashman said the team has agreed to several minor league contracts, but the Yankees are not yet ready to announce them.

 
 

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218 Responses to “A few notes from Cashman”

  1. AS January 6th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    to bad shelly couldn’t be that right handed bat of the bench..would have broken to many forearms is my guess

  2. Phil the Thrill January 6th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Thanks. Why didn’t you ask him about Chapman?

  3. number18 January 6th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    BRING BACK JOHNNY DAMON pleasssseeeee!!!!!!!!

  4. Chad Jennings January 6th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Mostly because I strongly doubt there’s anything he can tell me on Chapman. I’d rather pick my battles on those things. Cashman’s usually not one to talk about players he might or might not be going after.

  5. number18 January 6th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I also think Cervelli will do fine as backup catcher…
    he is basically a younger and faster version of Jose Molina.

    I loved Molina, but Cervelli can do the job and then we can bring up romine or montero when they’re ready.

  6. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Reed Johnson or Jonny Gomes come on down.

  7. Lenny / Squiggy January 6th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I call BullSheight on Cashman saying he is not looking for a starting LF….he is NOT liking Brett Gardner for that spot….NO FRIKKIN’ WAY !

  8. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    “Mostly because I strongly doubt there’s anything he can tell me on Chapman. I’d rather pick my battles on those things. Cashman’s usually not one to talk about players he might or might not be going after.”

    Chad,

    You’re right, he wouldn’t have told you anything.

  9. CountryClub January 6th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Prospect profile of Jesus Montero

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ero-21875/

  10. SJ44 January 6th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    If Chad asked him about Chapman, Brian would have talked for 10 minutes and said nothing.

    In other words, it was smart of Chad to not ask! lol

  11. m1kew January 6th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    “I don’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield,” Cashman said.

    That is as strong a statement that Cashman could make – forget Johhny Damon … he is no longer part of the Yankees plan going forward.

  12. murphydog January 6th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    At the end of my day I can say I got a couple of criminals a decent deal and maybe saved an almost innocent guy from doing any time at all. Big Deal. What I can’t say is this: “After the Hall of Fame announcement, I checked in with Brian Cashman.”

    *Sigh*

  13. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    “It’s a non-guaranteed deal.”

    Chad,

    Did Cashman tell you the above? If that’s true then the Yankees can simply cut him loose in spring training without having to pay him the 45 or 60 day prorated portion of the 850K.

  14. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Cervelli stepped in last summer and may be partly responsible for the yankees turnaround. I for one am comfortable with him as backup catcher.

  15. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Maybe at this point, the cheapest right-handed FA OFer, out there with power and better fielding than Dye is Jonny Gomes.

    At least Erica would be getting a Jonny, spelled differently,come marching home again!!

    This might allow them to sign a more veteran utility player, or offer Wang a contract!

    Thoughts??

  16. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    “If Chad asked him about Chapman, Brian would have talked for 10 minutes and said nothing.”

    Can you imagine how much Cash would talk after a couple of drinks?:)

  17. Joey Vegas January 6th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    I hate Jonny Gomes. I hope this means it’s Jerry Hairston and Werth/Crawford/Hawpe in 2011…

  18. Chad Jennings January 6th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Yes, Cashman said it’s a non-guaranteed deal.

  19. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Why exactly is the focus on non-roster invitees? To play what position?

    Gardner as our LF? I expect Cash to have to pay through the nose at the trading deadline just to get a mediocre LF…….I don’t love the pen; there are a ton of question marks there.

    Thanks, Chad – not too thrilled with what Cash had to say.

  20. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 6th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I just got this e-mail from the Lakewood Blue Claws. For all you NJ fans, the Blue Claws will be playing the River Dogs 8 games this season in Lakewood. They are offering a package to see 6 of the eight games, including the April 16th home opening in Lakewood.

    http://www.blueclaws.com/lakew.....sp?id=1626

  21. ariel January 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Cashman’s comments would appear to be a definite “Bye Bye Johnny”, but as we have learned, nothing is definite in Yankeeland.

  22. Erin January 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    tex’s friend
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Cervelli stepped in last summer and may be partly responsible for the yankees turnaround. I for one am comfortable with him as backup catcher.

    *******************
    Me too. I just also happen to have a huge crush on him. lol Those eyes!! :)

  23. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    so with montero as the starting catcher in AAA this year, will he be the first call up if posada gets hurt or no? I assume they would only bring him up if he was going to start everyday as not to impede his development.

    if all goes well, in 2011 he will be the starting catcher, posada will be back up c/dh…

  24. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I’ll be interested to see what kind of deal Kiko Calero gets. Will he be one of the FA steals this year?

  25. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    “Yes, Cashman said it’s a non-guaranteed deal.”

    Well then, nothing much for Yankee fans to complain about because if he sucks like some of us expect him to then they’ll just cut bait and let him go.

    I thought I heard on XM Radio that the Phillies are getting ready to sign Wang.

  26. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Me too. I just also happen to have a huge crush on him. lol Those eyes!!

    ___

    Well im a guy so i just think he is cool….

  27. Erin January 6th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    tex’s friend
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Me too. I just also happen to have a huge crush on him. lol Those eyes!!

    ___

    Well im a guy so i just think he is cool….

    *********************
    LOL

  28. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I think it would be so dumb for Wang to go to a NL team.

    This whole mess began with him running the bases. In the NL, he will have to do that 35 times a year instead of 1-2.

  29. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    “Gardner as our LF? I expect Cash to have to pay through the nose at the trading deadline just to get a mediocre LF…….I don’t love the pen; there are a ton of question marks there.”

    Betsy,

    The man knows how to do his job. He didn’t pay through the nose to get Abreu, Hairston or Hinske. He knows what he’s doing.

  30. m January 6th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    LOL. I didn’t even think of Damon when I read that statement.

    Hughes and Gardner stay on the roster all season long. :P

  31. SJ44 January 6th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    What bullpen doesn’t have question marks Betsy?

    The Yankees have fewer question marks than just about any other bullpen in baseball.

    Mo is Mo.

    Damaso Marte is coming off a post-season where he was Mo-like out of the pen.

    David Robertson had the best K ratio of anybody in baseball coming out of the pen.

    Aceves is a solid arm.

    Whomever doesn’t win the Joba/Phil competition also deepens the pen.

    Boone Logan is a servicable second lefty.

    Gaudin is probably the long man.

    You have guys like Sanchez and Melancon perhaps knocking on the door.

    That’s a pretty good pen to me.

    Sure, guys will have slumps. However, those are some quality arms out there.

    They will be especially strong since they have 4 guys in the rotation capable of pitching deep in every one of their starts.

    Less work for a bullpen = a more rested and effective bullpen.

  32. m January 6th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Betsy,

    Why do you think that Cashman will pay through the nose (with prospects) for a corner OF when he could just sign Damon?

  33. G. Love January 6th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    If we’re taking Cashman at his word, I hope it’s Hairston as he gives the teams options for the entire season and at least the Yankees can dangle some decent playing time for him in the OF from the spring.

    I really loved what Hairston added to the club after he came in last year. He’s a nice option in the IF God forbid anything happen and he can play a decent enough OF to have value.

    Would I rather have Damon back? Sure. But Damon is going to get what he considers an insulting offer to play for some team and the last thing you need is a veteran LF’er questioning his motivation because the dollars aren’t big enough.

    I’d almost rather see us sign Dye or Vlad in a Strawberry/Raines kind of role and put their old bones in LF or RF some of the time.

  34. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    “Gardner as our LF? I expect Cash to have to pay through the nose at the trading deadline just to get a mediocre LF…….I don’t love the pen; there are a ton of question marks there.”

    ___

    We just have to be better than the rest and we are. Teams have wayyyy more question marks than will our left fielder hit about .275

  35. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    SJ, I’m really not sure where you got the idea that I lost confidence in Phil but that’s the furthest thing from the truth.

  36. wallypip January 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    “Right-handed hitting outfielder that Joe can look on the bench and say, I’m not going to start one of my left-handers, I’m going to start a right-hander.”

    As far as Free Agents go, that pretty much leaves Reed Johnson. I guess you could look at Marcus Thames as a LF and slide Gardner over if Granderson was getting the platoon day. I don’t see Gomes in LF, even as a part timer.

  37. eric January 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    This has prob been covered, but Alomar not getting in is a total sham.

  38. Rick January 6th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    For those Johnny Damon lovers, look at all the highlight clips you can find. He’s now considered a former Yankee.
    Scott Boras giveth and Scott Boras tooketh away.
    Cashman sealed it by saying he’s not looking for a lefthanded bat for the outfield.

  39. CountryClub January 6th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    The Yanks pen is very good right now. They have Mo, Joba/Hughes, Robertson & Marte. There may be 4 or 5 teams in baseball that can match that foursome when you look at them as a group.

    Gardner brings real value as a defensive player. The Yankees D in the outfiled will be one of the better ones in the AL. If gardner can get on base at a .345 clip or better (and I think he will prove capable of this) in front of Jeter and Johnson, he will have real value at the plate too. He doesnt need to hit 10 hr’s to be valuable to the team. He needs to get on base, that’s it. And if he does so with walks, infield singles and bloopers, so be it.

  40. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    If Posada or Cervelli gets hurt early in the season, I’d think that Mike Rivera gets the call befor Montero.

  41. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    will gardner be able to man left field?

  42. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    SJ44-

    I can see why Betsy has concerns with the bullpen no-one except Rivera was a lockdown when brought into the playoffs. Even Marte was very shaky against the Twins.

    I agree that if the starters can give 6-7 innings then we should be fine, but in the playoffs Hughes and Joba certainly did’t pitch like shutdown setup men for Rivera and Aceves looked very hittable.

  43. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I’m thinking that Melancon and Robertson still have 3 options left.

  44. SJ44 January 6th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Betsy,

    If that’s the case, don’t worry about his confidence falling apart because he struggled in the post-season.

    Name me the last deal Brian Cashman paid through the nose for at the trading deadline? That doesn’t happen.

    Players aren’t as fragile as fans in that area. Especially when the team wins the World Series.

    Marcus Thames isn’t a bad option for a RH bat. He’s another guy who pounds lefties.

  45. Chris from NJ January 6th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Gardener is going to be one of the best defensive left fielders in baseball. If he hits .270 i will be overjoyed at the value our #9 hitter provides.

  46. go johnny go January 6th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    gotta love little napoleon cashman trying to shut down the return of Damon….i guess we’ll see just how smart he is once Nick Johnson goes on the DL and Gardner is batting .180 in the middle of May – we’ll have Rule 5 in left and Francisco Cervelli DH’ing…

    For all the smart moves (i.e. spending stein’s money) he makes – he’ll then go and say something really dumb like this…

  47. G-C January 6th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    SJ, I just don’t buy the idea of guys having stuff that “spikes” in the bullpen. In all honesty the best stuff Chamberlain has showed in his career has been in 2008 in the rotation, not in any of his bullpen stints. I don’t see the “different demeanor” that people incessantly throw out there as existing when he pitches out of the pen. Although I can’t dispute anything else you’re insinuating.

    You could make a better argument for Phil’s stuff and demeanor being “different” out of the pen then it was out of the rotation. He threw 2-3 MPH harder and was far more aggressive within the strike zone, stuff that really isn’t the case with Chamberlain for anyone that watches him closely.

    I think both of them are going to be dynamite major league starters, and I think Dave Robertson ultimately might be better suited to a eighth inning role than either of them anyway, He has a true two pitch arsenal and perhaps the second best pitch on the team when he commands it (his curve) outside of Mariano’s cutter. And for those who obsessively pound the idea of finding Mariano’s “successor” (when for all we know Mariano will be around for another five years) I think Robertson is plenty capable of being that guy. His fastball may not have special velocity, but it has special movement and his delivery is for some reason incredibly deceptive. Couple that pitch with the plus-plus curve and if he can develop his command to attack the strike zone a little bit more, I don’t see much reason why he won’t be one of the elite relievers in the American League this year. And now I’m not a pitching coach, but I’m more inclined to say that Robertson’s command issues are more mental than mechanical. Everything about his mechanics- the wind up, the arm action, the follow throw- looks really clean, and he certainly doesn’t have anything glaring going on like Melancon does.

  48. m January 6th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Betsy,

    You’re the only one that continually brings up Phil’s postseason phailures.

    You just said that being passed by Joba might have caused him to lose confidence.

    You constantly express concern about Phil.

    I can see why SJ44 thought that you’ve lost confidence in Phil.

    How can you have confidence in Phil if you think he may have lost the confidence he gained this season? See?

  49. Andrew January 6th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    “Even Marte was very shaky against the Twins.”

    Did you miss the rest of the times he came in and pitched? The guy was unbelievable, he got everyone out that he was asked to face. And, he has approached that type of performance before so it can’t be totally dismissed as a small sample fluke, although it also can’t be expected that he’ll be that good all season long. But, he should be a very steady, dependable lefty reliever that can pitch in the 7th or 8th inning, if healthy.

  50. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “I can see why Betsy has concerns with the bullpen no-one except Rivera was a lockdown when brought into the playoffs. Even Marte was very shaky against the Twins.”

    Marte didn’t allow any batter he faced in the playoffs to reach base.

  51. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    If Cashman brings in Hairston, hopefully it’s in a deal to move Mitre to the Dodgers for Scott Hairston, He’s a better hitter and better fielder at the same positions.

  52. Chris from NJ January 6th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Phil hughes dominated out of the pen in 2007 in relief of Clemens, he had a couple of mediocre outings out of the pen in 09, small sample size. The kid can still pitch at a high level, let’s not be quick to label him.

  53. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    M, if Gardner is the LF, I think Cash will have to make a bad trade at the deadline to get another LF because I do not think Gardner is capable of doing the job.

    Cash, I’ve been a Cash supporter for a long time – I trust him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t disagree with some of his moves or non-moves.

    SJ, I like Marte too, and if he’s healthy, he’ll be good. I still want to see more. Without him, we may not have won the WS, but it still was just a small sample size.

    I’m not that high on Aceves, though I do like Gaudin. I know nothing about Boone Logan except that he’s supposedly terrible……I like Robertson, but he’s another guy we need to see do it again (and can he stay healthy?).

    We’ll see about Sanchez or Melancon – they are obviously completely unproven. Melancon couldn’t hit the side of a barn last year – hopefully he’s improved his aim.

  54. PittsburghYankeeFan January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I guess it’s really true. Like others have said:

    The Yankees and Johnny Damon have PARTED WAYS.

    I’m kind of surprised. It did look like a decent match on paper.

  55. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    GLove, I’m a big Hairston guy, too……I hope Cash brings him back. If he wants to play everyday again, he’s going to have to go to a bad team. Here’s hoping he’d rather play less on the Yankees.

  56. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Which FA outfielder is left that might be available for <3M that has some power, is a right-handed bat that can hit lefties well, and can play pretty decent defense with a pretty good arm?

  57. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “If Cashman brings in Hairston, hopefully it’s in a deal to move Mitre to the Dodgers for Scott Hairston, He’s a better hitter and better fielder at the same positions.”

    Scott Hairston is with Oakland.

  58. SJ44 January 6th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Trader,

    Every bullpen has a bad week or two. Every one. Its just a matter of WHEN it happens.

    That bullpen was also dominant for over 3 1/2 months of the season. Something that gets lost in the analysis.

    Damaso Marte was dominant after his one outing in the Twins series. He owned lefties the rest of the way.

    If you can own guys like Abreu, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, you can get anybody out.

  59. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    I guess it’s really true. Like others have said:

    The Yankees and Johnny Damon have PARTED WAYS.

    I’m kind of surprised. It did look like a decent match on paper.

    ————————————————————

    On every kind of paper except the kind that checks are printed on.

  60. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “M, if Gardner is the LF, I think Cash will have to make a bad trade at the deadline to get another LF because I do not think Gardner is capable of doing the job.

    Cash, I’ve been a Cash supporter for a long time – I trust him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t disagree with some of his moves or non-moves.”

    Betsy,

    Again, when has Cashman made a bad trade at the deadline in which he paid through the nose?

  61. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 6th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    (from previous thread)

    Doreen, I was telling Fran that it has to be that there is a year between the holidays that causes me to get a real tree each year!!! Mama mia!

    And it all sure looks so pretty but taking down all of the decorations and getting things back to normal is one heck of a time consuming proposition! I’m still at it.

    GO CHRISTMAS! GO!!!

    ;)

  62. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    crawdaddy
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    “If Cashman brings in Hairston, hopefully it’s in a deal to move Mitre to the Dodgers for Scott Hairston, He’s a better hitter and better fielder at the same positions.”

    Scott Hairston is with Oakland.

    ————————————————————

    Why have I been thinking that he was on the Dodgers/ Must be from the lack of nicotine.

  63. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 6th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Cashman’s trades at the deadline have a pretty good track record. I wouldn’t be worried about that. Plus – it’s, like, 7 months away.

  64. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Gardener is going to be one of the best defensive left fielders in baseball. If he hits .270 i will be overjoyed at the value our #9 hitter provides.

    ___

    if he learns how to bunt and keep the ball on the ground, i will also be overjoyed. Anything that shows he isnt overmatched by a fastball like his ABs in the playoffs this past season.

  65. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    GB7-

    Pretty sure Scott Hairston is with the A’s, and would be a good pickup.

    Is there a free agent infielder, who can hit, who would be serviceable defensively in corner outfield spot and sub at 3rd when A-Rod might need a rest?
    heard Melvin Mora was working out in OF to make himself more marketable.

  66. Wave Your Hat January 6th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    :Marcus Thames isn’t a bad option for a RH bat. He’s another guy who pounds lefties.”

    Actually, when you think about it, Thames may turn out to be a better value than Nady.

  67. tex's friend January 6th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    We know the Yankees will get off to a slow April like every year, and panic will ensue, until mid may when they turn it around and destroy everyone the rest of the year….

    just be prepared.

  68. mick January 6th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Which FA outfielder is left that might be available for <3M that has some power, is a right-handed bat that can hit lefties well, and can play pretty decent defense with a pretty good arm?
    =========================================================
    Ex-Yankee and Randy Johnson killer, Marcus Markley Thames.

  69. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    M, yes, I can see how SJ would have thought that. However, my point was that I thought maybe all the confidence that Phil had gained throughout the year disappeared in the playoffs. I hope I’m wrong. That said, being a starter is completely different than being in the pen; any talented starter can do the job in the pen – Phil is not unique in that regard.

  70. PittsburghYankeeFan January 6th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    GB

    The money is such chump change to the Yankees, and he’s a good fit for one year. I guess Cash and Hal are really holding the line this year.

    So JD goes to Seattle for $4-5 million? The Bobby Abreu of 2010.

  71. m January 6th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    per mlbtr, Yankees out of Chapman arm race

  72. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Yankee Trader
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    GB7-

    Pretty sure Scott Hairston is with the A’s, and would be a good pickup.

    Is there a free agent infielder, who can hit, who would be serviceable defensively in corner outfield spot and sub at 3rd when A-Rod might need a rest?
    heard Melvin Mora was working out in OF to make himself more marketable.

    ————————————————————

    I remember a few years ago when Mora was Baltimore’s starting center fielder and looked good out there. He’s still got a good bat, if he can stay healthy.

  73. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    XM radio did state a few moments ago, in their half hour update, that Phillies have “reached out to agents for Wang and Sheets.”

  74. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 6th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    trisha -

    I love a real tree. I love the smell and just that it’s real. But every year, the flying needles send me out of the house and to the local landscape/Christmas shoppe to look at the artificial kind. And every year I walk down two aisles of fake Xmas trees, and then walk out the door without one! I can’t bring myself to do it.

    Plus, after the clean-up is all done (as onerous as it can be), I don’t have to store it. (I do have one artificial in my foyer – it’s a slim, pre-lit variety, and doesn’t take up a lot of storage space).

    Do you cut your own or get a pre-cut? We used to go to the farms and cut down our own, but it stopped being fun when it was 20 degrees and all the good trees were taken, AND twice our freshly cut tree ended up being diseased and we had to take them down the day after Christmas. Now we found a good dealer who brings in pre-cut.

  75. bru January 6th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    SJ, I’m really not sure where you got the idea that I lost confidence in Phil but that’s the furthest thing from the truth.

    ———————————————————–

    i think it is quite the opposite

    you have too much confidence in him

    joba & hughes are kids that have not proven they can be good enough to be a number 1-5 pitcher in a ml rotation & until they do they will never take a spot from a pettitte,lee,etc.

    they will have to earn it & until they do i sign a lee in a second

  76. wallypip January 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Mora has never been very good against lefties. I like the guy, but he’s more of a utility than a platoon guy at this stage.

  77. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    I wonder what the performance incentives are for Mitre.

    Sergio Mitre Death Watch 6.00 could be more fun than ever in 2010!

  78. Don Capone January 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    What about Bubba Crosby? Is he available for left field?
    (I think Damon is coming back.)

  79. randyhater January 6th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “And for those who obsessively pound the idea of finding Mariano’s “successor” (when for all we know Mariano will be around for another five years)”

    Why stop at 5 years? Maybe he’s the Panamanian Highlander and will pitch forever.

    “Marte didn’t allow any batter he faced in the playoffs to reach base.”

    He gave up a couple hits to the Twins first time out I beleive.

  80. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Craw, true…but my point was that he’ll have to make a deal at the deadline because I don’t think Gardner is going to be good enough (and I think Cash will actually have to make a deal earlier than the deadline if Gardner is as poor as I think he’ll be). Teams try to hold the Yankees up at the deadline. That means asking for Phil, Joba or Montero. No team wants to help the Yankees, that is why I say Cash would have to make a bad trade. If he doesn’t, then our option is…….what? Hoffman? Stay with Gardner? I think LF is going to be a huge weakness this year.

  81. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    M, I just don’t get it. The Yankees will never have a chance to draft an arm like Chapman’s……..Probably they didnt’ want to spend the $$; Hal is definitely not his father’s son.

  82. joeysdadjoe January 6th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Brett Gardner = Bubba Crosby. Actually Brett is better then that but I dont think he should start in LF.

  83. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “Craw, true…but my point was that he’ll have to make a deal at the deadline because I don’t think Gardner is going to be good enough (and I think Cash will actually have to make a deal earlier than the deadline if Gardner is as poor as I think he’ll be). Teams try to hold the Yankees up at the deadline. That means asking for Phil, Joba or Montero. No team wants to help the Yankees, that is why I say Cash would have to make a bad trade. If he doesn’t, then our option is…….what? Hoffman? Stay with Gardner? I think LF is going to be a huge weakness this year.”

    Betsy,

    Let the man finish his roster then complain about it, but remember, they play the game on the field not on paper.

  84. CB January 6th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    “per mlbtr, Yankees out of Chapman arm race”

    That was Olney who had that report.

    Buster had a follow up note on twitter:

    “expects the bidding on Chapman to go to $20 million. Concern in some quarters that he is better suited for relief than as a starter.”

    I don’t think anyone has a good sense of where Chapman will wind up but perhaps the single biggest issue in how a team will approach him depends on their evaluation of how likely he is to be a starting pitcher.

    If a team isn’t confident of that, they they are likely to pass given the dollars.

    http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

  85. Torre's Terrors January 6th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Wow.

    Albert Pujols being fitted for the Pinstripes?

    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....instripes/

  86. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “M, I just don’t get it. The Yankees will never have a chance to draft an arm like Chapman’s……..Probably they didnt’ want to spend the $$; Hal is definitely not his father’s son.”

    Betsy,

    You ever consider the possibility that perhaps the Yankees scouts might have serious doubts he would be an effective starting ML pitcher? To pay him 20M+ and then find out he’s nothing more than a reliever is a waste of money.

  87. Don't Hassle the Hoff January 6th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “Right-handed hitting outfielder that Joe can look on the bench and say, I’m not going to start one of my left-handers, I’m going to start a right-hander.”

    Survey says! – Jonny Gomes

  88. RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    “M, I just don’t get it. The Yankees will never have a chance to draft an arm like Chapman’s……..Probably they didnt’ want to spend the $$; Hal is definitely not his father’s son.”

    maybe hal is just more sensible than his father and has been told by his baseball people than chapman is not all he is cracked up to be?

  89. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    So if Boras calls and offers Damon at $5m for one year, Cash will say no? I’m skeptical.

  90. Mike January 6th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    This site is putting both Montero and Romine as two of the three best young catchers in the AL East. That is pretty solid.

    http://camdendepot.blogspot.co.....art-1.html

  91. sar515 January 6th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Up until today’s statement, I really thought the yanks and JD would work out something.
    I’m disappointed.

    I do believe in Cash…
    And I think it’s worth it to give Gardner a shot…
    BUT…what if he doesn’t cut it? Is the “occasional right-handed” bat our regular LF.
    And what if there’s an outfield injury???
    That bench guy better be pretty damn good…
    I don’t think we want to go long stretches with Hoffmann, Reed Johnson or Jhonny Gomes!
    If we can get a big bat to come for a low price tag and be willing to be a glorified bench player..(e.g. Dye, Vlad) fine…but I don’t think they’ll be cheaper than JD.

    Isn’t it rather startling that we don’t have one guy in the minors that we’d consider giving a shot!?

  92. Dassit January 6th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Yea right Hal doesn’t want to spend money. How much did they spend to get CC, A.J. and Tex last year? Three burgers, a free tattoo and a Macy’s gift card?

  93. SJ44 January 6th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Now Betsy, think for a minute.

    The Yankee payroll is still almost 30% higher than anybody in baseball.

    They spent over 800 million dollars in guaranteed free agent contracts the first two years Hal has run the team.

    They re-signed Arod, Mariano and Posada. They added CC, Tex and AJ.

    They won a World Series.

    So, because they may pass on a kid they think may be better suited for relief than starter you think Hal is cheap?

    Seriously, this is when you get in trouble with posters here.

    Passing on Chapman dosen’t make the Yankees “cheap”.

    Perhaps, like the Red Sox and other teams, they feel the price is too great for the uncertainty (as to his role and when he will be ready to pitch in the big leagues) Chapman brings to the table.

  94. J-Dawg--Veintiocho en '10 January 6th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    The primary suitors for Chapman seem to change every day. I don’t guess I can believe anything until he has officially signed with somebody. One day the frontrunners supposedly were the Angels and Blue Jays, and the next day the Marlins had the inside track. Who knows? :)

  95. Don't Hassle the Hoff January 6th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    # Rich in NJ January 6th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    So if Boras calls and offers Damon at $5m for one year, Cash will say no? I’m skeptical.”"

    I would be too…. I just cant see Team Damon doing that….. My guess if he would play for 5 M.. It will be with the Atlanta Braves

  96. JK January 6th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Betsy,

    The Yankees value high upside young pitchers with a feel for the strike zone. They look for the ability to consistently get the ball to glove side of zone. They also target youngsters that show the ability to spin a good breaking ball.

    Champman has trouble doing both. He is not worth more than Strausburg who has the ability to do both and has shown that he could start in AAA based on his AFL performance.

  97. blake January 6th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    From those quotes sounds like we might be looking at a Nady/Gardner platoon which I’d be ok with.

  98. Alan January 6th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Nobody mentions Jerry Hairston Jr. but he was good enough to be on the ALDS, ALCS, and WS rosters.
    Give him extra time in spring training exhibition games in LF and he could be the answer.

  99. hey kelvin says January 6th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Man betsy I don’t have anything against you but it is so dumb to say Hal is cheap. Don’t take me as an offender but serious look at the facts.

    800 million bucks shelled out for longterm deals and 450 of it being last season. Insane. Really think that’s cheap?

  100. Bronxie Brenda January 6th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Betsy -

    The Yankees could pave the streets of the Bronx in 24-karat gold and you would complain about the glare.

  101. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Brett Gardner as the starting left fielder? I know the 90′s Yankees didnt get great production out of left field, but they also had Bernie Williams and Paul O’Neil to take up the slack. Curtis Granderson is a far cry from Bernie and Nick Swisher shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as Paul O’Neil.

    I’m not one who think the Yankes need an All Star at every position, but they need to do better than a light hiting, low on base percentage hitter like Gardner. Worse yet, he often has shown to be overmatched and chases bad pitches. He rarely takes a base on balls and strikes out twice as often as he walks.

    I love having him on the bench to pinch run. But too often he showed poor judgement in that role as well.

  102. bru January 6th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    is Scott Podsednik available??

  103. Damien January 6th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Message to Scott Boras RE Johnny Damon – “I don’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield, Feel free to interpret that quote however you’d like.”

    We don’t need him BUT if you lower your price to 1yr $6mil with team option… well…

    I think it’s so funny how Cash uses the media in an attempt to drive the market down. its soooo believable considering how he has stuck to his word before (eg Texieria, Damon the first time)

    I wonder if he think Boras buys it?

  104. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    bru
    January 6th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
    is Scott Podsednik available??

    No offense bru, but I hope not. He had a decent year last season, but he’s not much of an improvement over Gardner. He’s like a slower version of Bret.

  105. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    SJ, I get in trouble with one person on this board and that guy just has an obsession. If anyone else has a problem with me, they can take it up with Sam/Josh or Chad. I guess they can also post like Miggs does and insult me every chance he gets in the hopes that I will leave and never come back, but I can’t worry about that. I also never said Hal was cheap.

  106. joe fro nyc January 6th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Hey Drive4_5, the 90s yankees also had no where near the infield production we have. We have the best offensive infield in MLB history, at least according to 09 stats.

  107. L to the 2nd January 6th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    More than anything, the NYY won’t be considered “cheap” – but they WON’T throw bad money at marginal or unproven talents, or overpay any more. That is clearly in evidence by Cash’s words and actions.

    They don’t want another Kei Igawa type deal – maybe this is what they see in Chapman.

  108. RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    betsy, are you trying to say that hal is “different” from his father in that he is not so heavy handed that he must sign every player…rather than that hal is not as good of an owner, simply that they have different styles?

  109. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    JK, the Strasburg comp is moot, isn’t it? The Yankees will never have the chance to draft that kind of prospect.

  110. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “SJ, I get in trouble with one person on this board and that guy just has an obsession. If anyone else has a problem with me, they can take it up with Sam/Josh or Chad.”

    What are they going to do, banned you for being a worry-wart.

  111. JRod January 6th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Podsednik would bring an element of having a ridiculously hot wife to the outfield picture.

  112. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “The Yankees will never have the chance to draft that kind of prospect.”

    You don’t know what type of prospect he is and neither do the rest of us so we’ll see how he turns out.

  113. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Ralphie, yes. Believe me, I’ve no wish to relieve the days when George was really feeling his oats.

  114. jvcelt January 6th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    mr cashman likes to send smoke signals to agents….he is hardly sending us any info. when damon signs somewhere else, thats when its to be believed.

  115. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    If no Chapman = more $$ for Chien-ming Wang, I will be happier.

  116. MTU January 6th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    From MLBTR:

    “Archives Widget Twitter RSS Usage

    Urban On Athletics, Giants
    By Tim Dierkes [January 6 at 4:45pm CST]

    CSNBayArea.com’s Mychael Urban checks in with the latest on the A’s and Giants.

    * After failing to sign Adrian Beltre, the A’s continue to seek a third baseman. The team has considered attempting to trade for the Pirates’ Andy LaRoche or the Padres’ Kevin Kouzmanoff. Neither player hit for much power in 2009, however (Kouz hit 18 home runs, but slugged only .420). Adam Kennedy is said to be Plan D or E.
    * The A’s are still talking to Jack Cust’s agent, though they’ve yet to make an offer. Regarding the idea of returning to the A’s after being non-tendered, Cust told Urban, “Stranger things have happened.” Urban senses Cust would give the A’s the opportunity to match any offer.
    * Urban finds Cust a less-than-ideal fit for the Giants. He likes Adam LaRoche, or perhaps Miguel Tejada if LaRoche’s demands remain high.

    Full Story | 0 Comments | Categories: Adam Kennedy | Adam LaRoche | Adrian Beltre | Andy LaRoche | Jack Cust | Kevin Kouzmanoff | Miguel Tejada | Oakland Athletics | Pittsburgh Pirates | San Diego Padres | San Francisco Giants

    Comments From Brian Cashman
    By Tim Dierkes [January 6 at 4:29pm CST]

    Chad Jennings of The LoHud Journal spoke to Yankees GM Brian Cashman today. A few notes…

    * Cashman seeks a right-handed hitting outfielder to come off the bench on occasion. Reed Johnson is the oft-mentioned name, though free agents such as Jonny Gomes and Rocco Baldelli are also available.
    * Cashman’s comment that he doesn’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield makes one wonder if Johnny Damon’s time with the club is up. Click here for more on that situation.
    * As far as backup infielder/catcher roles, Cashman seemed OK with internal options. Still, the slight hedging in the GM’s quotes led Jennings to wonder if Cashman will continue to monitor the market.
    * Bullpen help is not Cashman’s focus – instead it’s “non-roster invites and position player bench.” The Yankees have actually agreed to several minor league deals that have yet to be announced.

    Full Story | 2 Comments | Categories: New York Yankees

    Aroldis Chapman Decision Coming Soon?
    By Mark Polishuk [January 6 at 3:55pm CST]

    WEDNESDAY, 3:55pm: At least three teams are out on Chapman: the Astros, Yankees, and Mets (ESPN’s Buster Olney via Twitter, and MLB.com’s Brian McTaggart).”

    Oh well.

  117. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Craw, lol. The point was that SJ mentioned that posters have a problem with me (either I worry too much, they think I’m stupid, they think I ruin the board, who knows). I’m probably too cluless to quit here- for some reason, I keep coming back.

  118. MTU January 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    I apologize for my post.

    copied the whole thing by mistake.

    I was trying to put up the info. that the Yanks might be out on Chapman.

  119. pistol pete January 6th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    2 words guys…..ROCCO BALDELLI(THE NEXT DIMAGGIO….IN 2003,ANYWAYS)

  120. crawdaddy January 6th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “Craw, lol. The point was that SJ mentioned that posters have a problem with me (either I worry too much, they think I’m stupid, they think I ruin the board, who knows). I’m probably too cluless to quit here- for some reason, I keep coming back.”

    Betsy,

    I must admit, at times, you do test my patience because one day you can be so positive about the Yankees about how they’re going to kick butt, but then the next day have serious doubts about Hal and Cashman regarding their actions, but mainly nonaction to what you like them to do.

  121. Brad S77 January 6th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I recall the Yankees passing on another Cuban stud years ago–named dany Baez. Signed by Indians. Scouts had it right then, probably do now as well.

  122. Brad S77 January 6th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    I wonder if Johnny Damon will land with Texas…They are looking for a reasonably priced Dh. Might not have enough power, but I wonder.

  123. JK January 6th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Betsy,

    Based on the reports Chapman is VERY raw and should start out in A ball. I don’t care what anybody says, I’m not paying 15M+ to a pitcher that cant consistently command his fastball and doesn’t show the feel for a plus breaking pitch at 22.

  124. Paco Dooley January 6th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    ““It’s a non-guaranteed deal.”
    Chad,
    Did Cashman tell you the above? If that’s true then the Yankees can simply cut him loose in spring training without having to pay him the 45 or 60 day prorated portion of the 850K.”

    My understanding is that all arbitration deals are not guaranteed, so that was probably not a negotating point that Mitre could push in his pre-arbitration deal. I guess teams rarely cut arbitration signees free, but a team like the Yankess could conceivable have offered Damon arbitration and then cut him in ST if they didn’t like the deal he got.

    Can someone check me on my facts?

  125. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I for one really wouldn’t mind seeing Rocco Baldelli try to win the LF job

  126. MTU January 6th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Blake-

    Do we even know if Nady can throw ?

  127. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    JRod January 6th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Podsednik would bring an element of having a ridiculously hot wife to the outfield picture.
    *******************************************
    DeRosa’s wife was voted hottest wife in MLB

  128. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 6th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    JK, I always respected your opinions on PP, so I have to take what you say seriously…….

  129. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    “I know the 90’s Yankees didnt get great production out of left field,”

    Or third base…

    Or at times 2nd base.

    Or when Giardi was catching.

    There’s a larger point in there you have missed since now if you care to look.

    “He rarely takes a base on balls and strikes out twice as often as he walks.”

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one should incorrectly state the facts.

    Garnder walked 26 times in 248 ABs. That’s not Nick Johnson like, but it’s NOT bad. .270/.345 is a decent line is terms of asking a player to “take a walks”.

    He also struck out 40 times. 40 isn’t twice 26 even by liberal margin sakes.

    Why not start fresh and make a point about Brett Garnder, rather than some fictional player you’ve made up in your mind.

  130. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    joe fro nyc
    January 6th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    Hey Drive4_5, the 90s yankees also had no where near the infield production we have. We have the best offensive infield in MLB history, at least according to 09 stats.

    Brosius was an All Star in ’98. Knoblauch, Jeter and Tino did a little more than ok.

  131. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Garnder……is good at what he does,pinch run & play a little D in the late innings,anything more than that I believe is a mistake

  132. ... January 6th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Cheap would be Jeffrey Loria (seriously, revenue sharing alone is PROFITABLE for the Marlins?).

    Cheap would be a certain recently deceased owner who, about a year or two ago, was worth about 2.5 times as much as King George, and fielded a team whose payroll was about 2.5 times as small as the Yankees that year.

  133. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    DeRosa’s wife was voted hottest wife in MLB

    ========

    Picture link please.

    I like the idea of Baldelli. Did his health get any better last year? If not Rocco, why not Dye for a year?

  134. Erin January 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 6th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    If no Chapman = more $$ for Chien-ming Wang, I will be happier.

    **********************
    You and me both :D

  135. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    “Why not start fresh and make a point about Brett Garnder, rather than some fictional player you’ve made up in your mind.”

    Why not look at the whole picture than cherry pick. Gardner has struck out 76 times and walked only 37 in his career. Where I went to school that works out to .4868, which round out to 50%.

    I stated the fact correctly.

  136. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “I like the idea of Baldelli. Did his health get any better last year? If not Rocco, why not Dye for a year?”

    I thought the idea was to pay to bring in someone demonstratively better than the currently available options.

    Did I miss a memo?

  137. The Other Phil (Don't Feed the Trolls!) January 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I’m sorry, I just don’t get the Gardner hate. I really don’t. If this team and upcoming season are contingent on what the #9 hitter does, then the team has a lot more problems than the #9 hitter.
    Gardner will be fine in LF. He has the speed to cover better than Damon, gets good jumps on the ball, and has a better arm than JD (which doesn’t say much). He’ll do well covering LF. His hitting (when he keeps his bat level) is perfectly good for a #9 hitter.
    The rest of the lineup will produce more than enough to cover for any perceived failings in Gardner’s offensive game. If Cash brings in someone for the bench for depth, the team is set.

  138. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    DeRosa’s wife was voted hottest wife in MLB

    ========

    Picture link please.

    I like the idea of Baldelli. Did his health get any better last year? If not Rocco, why not Dye for a year?
    ========================================
    google it

  139. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Erin, I’m getting the sense that you’re a CMW fan, as am I.

    You have good taste.
    I have posted links to it many times, but have you ever seen my photo essay on Wang/Yankee fans in Taiwan in October 2007?

  140. MTU January 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Reed johnson’s lifetime splits against lefties:

    .313 .378 .463 .841

    Cheap enough, and good as part of a platoon with GGBG ?

    from Baseball reference.

  141. whatever January 6th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    IS CASHMAN SERIOUSLY KIDDING ME? ARE CASHMAN AND THIS OWNERSHIP SERIOUSLY HAPPY SITTING BACK AND NOT DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO REPEAT? I AM SO SICK OF THIS TEAM BEING CHEAP AND DOING NOTHING!! BRING BACK DAMON NOW!

  142. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Did I miss a memo?

    ====

    Stuckey,
    You must have missed the memo that Gardner cant hit the ball past the infield. Sucks at bunting and likes to use the force to hit the ball at times rather than the bat. Find the memo.

    Rocco when healthy(i know BIG IF)is by far better. Dye can hit better one handed than Gardner can with both.

    Gardner is 09 version of Crosby. Ill take whats behind curtain #2 or 3.

  143. MTU January 6th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Nick-

    Count me in on CMW as well.

  144. The Other Phil (Don't Feed the Trolls!) January 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    Brosius was an All Star in ‘98. Knoblauch, Jeter and Tino did a little more than ok.

    ———————-

    Knobby hit .265/.361/.405 (Robby will hit better, have a worse OBP, better slugging)
    Jeter .324/.384/.481 (10 Jeter will obviously not hit as well, but will still carry his weight just fine)
    Tino .281/.355/.505 (Tex will hit better)
    Brosius .300/.371/.472 (Alex will hit better)
    Chad Curtis .243/.355/.360 (Gardner will do about the same)

    I think ultimately it ends up being a wash. Again, if Gardner in LF is the make or break for the team, then the team has other problems than Gardner in LF.

    .02.

  145. kd January 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    CMW would be a very nice insurance policy.

    also it would send a message of loyalty which could be a plus during free agent negotiations

  146. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    let Rocco and Gardner play it out for the LF job…side bet Rocco wins that battle

  147. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    “Why not look at the whole picture than cherry pick.”

    You accuse me of cherrypicker but specifically respond to only ONE of the 4 or 5 points I disputed… okay lol.

    So by your response is it reasonable to assume you feel players are likely to continue to perform at the same exact level as they did in their first 127 ML ABs?

    That the idea that he improved markedly from one year to the next and still only has 375 ML AB’s is irrelevant to the conversation?

    You might want to take a look at the first cups of coffees for 1000s of successful major leaguers, they’re usually less impression that there career marks.

    But no, you have yourself a stat lacking context and on the internet that likely means your going to stick to it until grim death.

    Enjoy.

  148. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    joeman,
    I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZvgXVBoEs
    Id go with Podsednic and Posada ahead of Derosa.

  149. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    • “I don’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield,” Cashman said. Feel free to interpret that quote however you’d like.

    ***********************

    HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    (At Brian Cashman… not you Chad :-) )

  150. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    joeman,
    I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZvgXVBoEs
    Id go with Podsednic and Posada ahead of Derosa
    ===========================================================
    I think DeRosa’s wife won that..

    BTW…I vote for all of them

  151. HeavyHitter January 6th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Reason Yankees don’t need LH hitter in LF: Colin Curtis. However, it is strange that they left him exposed to the Rule 5 draft.

  152. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!! January 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    • “I don’t need a left-handed bat for the outfield,” Cashman said. Feel free to interpret that quote however you’d like.

    ***********************

    HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    (At Brian Cashman… not you Chad :-) )
    ***************************************************

    I vote for Rocco & his right-handed bat

  153. bru January 6th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    how much better is melky over gardner if at all???

    melky had 68 rbi

    i am sure gardner can come close with better defense & is a much better base runner

    we have very few weknesses at every single position soif our pitching hold up we are fine

    can we get better?

    sure

    if i am cashman i try every single day to get josh johnson even if it takes til the trading deadline with joba being the centerpiece

    then go after lee next year

  154. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    BTW…I vote for all of them

    ==========

    Cant argue with that.

  155. Erin January 6th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Erin, I’m getting the sense that you’re a CMW fan, as am I.

    You have good taste.
    I have posted links to it many times, but have you ever seen my photo essay on Wang/Yankee fans in Taiwan in October 2007?

    ************************
    Nick, yes I am a big CMW fan. I have never seen your essay-I’d love to.

  156. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) January 6th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    SOS,

    I would go with Eckstein, Kotsay, and Trenor’s wife. :D

  157. austinmac January 6th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Drive 4-5-It actually appears Gardner struck out more then twice as many times as he walked. I hope I am wrong, but I just don’t see Gardner’s swing translating into any success.

  158. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    found it…

    Heidi DeRosa Voted Baseball’s Hottest Wife

  159. RayVT January 6th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if both Wang & Nady have signed to fairly large Minor League contracts with the Yankees with incentives for being called up to the majors. Both would have time to get well and see there is a real opening for them as well.

  160. bru January 6th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    roberts wife dianna is blazing

  161. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    http://www.fantasybaseballdugo.....di-derosa/

  162. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    would also like to know who’s on the invite list for ST

  163. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    “Rocco when healthy(i know BIG IF)is by far better. Dye can hit better one handed than Gardner can with both.”

    My bad man, miscommunication. I thought you were talking about JERMAINE Dye, the 35 year-old defensively weak White Sox outfielder who in the last 3 months and 247 ABs of the last free agent walk year he’ll ever have of significance, OPS’ed .776, .551 (not a typo, that’s a “5″) and .611.

    Which Dye are you talking about?

    As for Baldelli, I’m ALL for bringing him in $500k he made last year and letting whoever performs plays.

  164. Frank January 6th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    “DeRosa’s wife was voted hottest wife in MLB”

    Then I have to assume Mark Kotsay is now in the minors.

  165. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    That poll was sort of unfair. Some wives didnt have the advantage of flaunting it with dental floss. Like Shneiders wife i believe had her coat on and cap in most of the pictures. While Derosa looked like she was posing for Victorias Secret. I vote for a re vote!! Vicotorias Secret competition all included.

  166. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    “Heidi DeRosa Voted Baseball’s Hottest Wife”

    In the words of Cyndi Lauper: Money changes everything.

  167. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    That poll was sort of unfair. Some wives didnt have the advantage of flaunting it with dental floss. Like Shneiders wife i believe had her coat on and cap in most of the pictures. While Derosa looked like she was posing for Victorias Secret. I vote for a re vote!! Vicotorias Secret competition all included
    ====================================+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think that was a 2008 vote

  168. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Rocco & Gardner…winner take all,loser is a pinch runner,late inning D player

  169. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    My bad man, miscommunication.

    ======
    No harm no foul Stuckey. Honest mistake.

    As for Baldelli, I’m ALL for bringing him in $500k he made last year and letting whoever performs plays.
    =====
    Now your talking!! Im glad we finally see eye to eye. We can be friends again.

  170. Frank January 6th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    “let Rocco and Gardner play it out for the LF job…side bet Rocco wins that battle’

    You’re on.

    Reason he’s not in Boston is because his health makes him too unreliable. He was hard to count on as a 4th OF, nevermind being a starting OF.

  171. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    In the words of Cyndi Lauper: Money changes everything.

    =====

    Rich,
    You beat me to it. I was going to say. And they say money doesnt change people.

  172. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    “Reason he’s not in Boston is because his health makes him too unreliable. He was hard to count on as a 4th OF, nevermind being a starting OF.”

    Right, so even if Baldelli won the competition, it’s highly unlikely that he would “take all.”

  173. bru January 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    kotsays wife has nothing on derosa’s

  174. hardwired January 6th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    when did David Segui’s mom get a HoF vote?

  175. RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    “Drive 4-5-It actually appears Gardner struck out more then twice as many times as he walked. I hope I am wrong, but I just don’t see Gardner’s swing translating into any success.”

    2009= 26 walks 40 strikeouts..somebody’s math is a tad bit off

  176. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I think Jorge Posada needs to take it for the couples team and sit the bench or platoon player for awhile till the votes are in next year. It seems like thats the secret to winning it and being hot of course. Im sure Posadas wife would do much better if that was the case.

  177. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    “Now your talking!! Im glad we finally see eye to eye. We can be friends again.”

    Hell, I’ll do you one better. Yanks can bring in an unlimited # of outfielders on non-guaranteed sub-$2m deals and let them fight it out battle royale style. And I’m not even suggesting Gardner would win. I’d be fine with WHOEVER played the best.

    Its when people suggest bringing in guys that will command $5m (give or take) that will likely represent a marginal upgrade over the in-house option that they lose me.

  178. Greg R. January 6th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Reed Johnson still has my vote, although I’ve always loved the thought of Rocco Baldelli in pinstripes. What a perfect name for the Bronx!! No way in heck Cashman is pencilling in Garnder in LF. That is such pure B.S. Not even Brett’s mom thinks he’s a starter. ..I’m just happy they said no-way-jose to Dye.

  179. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    stuckey,

    Life called and I didnt have time to respond to all your points. I’d be happy to have a respectful discussion with you, but something tells me that’s not exactly your thing.So for now I’ll agree to disagree. I’ve been a Yankee fan for 6 decades. I’m a season ticket holder. I rely on personal observations more than the internet. The internet is used more by kids not old enough to remember how bad things were in the Bronx in the 60′s and 70′s.

    I have nothing against Brett Gardner. I appreciate the element of speed he brings to the team. But for those of you old enough to remember him,Brett Gardner reminds me a lot of Jerry Kenney. Adjust for the difference in eras, and they are nearly identical.

    Brett is a fine player to have as a 4th outfieder/ pinch runner. He’s yet to prove he can be an everyday player. We may be about to find out and I wish him good luck.

  180. bru January 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    i have to go derosa then roberts then benson

  181. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Erin, I’m just on my blackberry now, can’t post the link, but I’ll do it ASAP.

  182. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    austinmac
    January 6th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    Drive 4-5-It actually appears Gardner struck out more then twice as many times as he walked. I hope I am wrong, but I just don’t see Gardner’s swing translating into any success.

    ————————————————————

    Until Gardner learns to maximize his main talent (speed) by learning to bunt properly and early enough to not put the runner in a position of running twice or learning the difference between sac bunts and bunting for hits, and keeping the ball out of the air, he’ll remain a #4 outfielder whether he starts or not. He also needs to run earlier when stealing instead of putting the batter in a big hole.

  183. Chad Jennings January 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Just wanted to add that Paco’s comment about all arbitration contracts being not guaranteed is correct. It’s to be expected in a deal like Mitre’s.

    And if this comment comes up strange, it’s because I’m writing from my phone. Sorry if it looks weird.

  184. dennis-Costanza January 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Nick.

    Pounded the OVER this eve with Troy/CMU… You?

    We shall see!

    -dennis

  185. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    “Drive 4-5-It actually appears Gardner struck out more then twice as many times as he walked. I hope I am wrong, but I just don’t see Gardner’s swing translating into any success.”

    2009= 26 walks 40 strikeouts..somebody’s math is a tad bit off
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    might be talking about his ML stats for the two years

  186. Erin January 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    Erin, I’m just on my blackberry now, can’t post the link, but I’ll do it ASAP.

    **********************
    Nick-no hurry.

    Thanks, I appreciate it!! :)

  187. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    RalphieD (OPPC),

    As I said before, I used Gardner’s career stats. He’s walked 34 times in his career. He’s struck out 70. That’s close enough to a 2:1 ratio by any reasonable standard.

  188. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    That is such pure B.S. Not even Brett’s mom thinks he’s a starter. ..

    ====

    Gotta love his mother. At least she’s not so blind to vote for her son to the HOF like Seguis. And here i thought the Yankees players are the only ones with class. Its trickled down to the family as well.

  189. RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    “might be talking about his ML stats for the two years”

    that makes sense but a rookie year is hardly anything to go on…

  190. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    GB7,

    Do you see a little of Jerry Kenney is Brett too? Youre an old coot and probably babysat for Kenney’s father:)

  191. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    “might be talking about his ML stats for the two years”

    that makes sense but a rookie year is hardly anything to go on…

    **********************************************
    stats are stats

  192. The Other Phil (Don't Feed the Trolls!) January 6th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    joeman January 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    2009= 26 walks 40 strikeouts..somebody’s math is a tad bit off
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    might be talking about his ML stats for the two years

    ————————

    His MLB stats are 2:1 BB:K, but his 2008 stats skew those numbers (8 BB/30K) vs his 2009 numbers above. He showed improvement at the plate and should continue to improve.

    His 08 K rate was 24%, while 09 was 14%.

  193. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    dennis: Troy-CMU…is that the GMAC Bowl? This is one of those games, like the Pro Bowl, that I choose not to play. The number seemed high as well…but really I have no clue. But good luck.

    I also won’t be watching, but I will be tuned in at 7:30 PST to watch the Cal Bears pound the UCLA Bruins. Not sure about the -14.5, however; Cal defensive specialist and sparkplug Jorge Gutierez is out with a bad knee. :(

  194. RalphieD (OPPC) January 6th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    “stats are stats”

    true but there is a vast difference between BB/SO in 2008 and 2009

    8/30
    26/40

    there is no sense in combining them because it does not give you a clear look at what is going on….

  195. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Drive 4- 5
    January 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
    GB7,

    Do you see a little of Jerry Kenney is Brett too? Youre an old coot and probably babysat for Kenney’s father:)

    ————————————————————

    You’re just bitter because I’m better looking.

    It’s a little early, but, he’s better than Jerry Kenney (Bubba Crosby was better than Kenney). If Gardner gets the bunting down and keeps the fly ball outs down, he could be a Brett butler. In about 280 at bats, he only had 16 infield hits and in 18 bunts, only 6 sacs and two bunt hits in 2009. That’s ridiculous. He should have had at least 25 and in a full season, over 50 infield hits.

  196. joeman January 6th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    I didn’t like the idea of him starting in CF last year (which didn’t last all that long)& I don’t like him starting (if he does)in LF this coming year …he’s good at what he does, pinch run and play a little D when needed

  197. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Nick,
    Cal is playing the Bruins in a bowl game this late or are you watching a previous game? What sport would you say has the best chance to make money in gambling vs. the odds?

  198. Drive 4- 5 January 6th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    GB7,

    I respect my elders and I’ll agree that Gardner might be a little better than Kenney.. so far. But the points you make about what Brett has to improve on are right on.

  199. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Drive, him getting 50 infield hits isn’t out of line, either. Butler usually was able to do it. Suzuki has done it for 9 straight years and he has some power when he wants to. He had 59 this year. Imagine the runs that would generate.

  200. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    S.o.S.: Cal vs UCLA tonight is basketball.

    As for best sport vs the odds… I have no idea. My most successful strategy is Texas Hold ‘Em… I should really play more often and bet sports less.

    Supposedly a great winning strategy year in and year out is to bet against the Yankees every game because the odds are so skewed. I’ve never test (or tracked) the theory, however.

  201. S.o.S. January 6th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I would be happy with a Brett Butler. I just dont see that happening. Im just surprised that Gardner is getting so much love and Crosby which had similiar abilities didnt. I also would ask all in support of Gardner. If Cashman pulled a trade off to get a player with Gardners stats and abilities. Would you be delighted or Pi$$ed? I bet the latter.

  202. Nick in SF January 6th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    :arrow:

  203. NHYankee January 6th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Great link SOS.

    I vote Diana Roberts

  204. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 6th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    I would be happy with a Brett Butler. I just dont see that happening. Im just surprised that Gardner is getting so much love and Crosby which had similiar abilities didnt. I also would ask all in support of Gardner. If Cashman pulled a trade off to get a player with Gardners stats and abilities. Would you be delighted or Pi$$ed? I bet the latter.

    ————————————————————

    He’s got to learn what Brett Butler learned to be that good. Learn to bunt and learn to hit the ball on the ground. If he doesn’t, he won’t even be Brett Maverick.

  205. Mr. Jaggers January 6th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I sense a small blog frustration that there will be no more major moves by the Yankees- I get the disappointment as it sure is fun during these cold bleak baseball months to see a major Yankee acquisition but the problem is we are quite good as is. As for Betsy- she did not say Hal was cheap- no one can suggest that with a straight face- I think she was merely saying that George always was addicted to the diamond of the moment- real or apparent- and would have gone after Chapman no matter the cost- Hal and cash are more circumspect which is probably a good thing. I’m for Thames as part of our retro theme and to provide right handed pop on the pines….

  206. stuckey January 6th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    “The internet is used more by kids not old enough to remember how bad things were in the Bronx in the 60’s and 70’s.”

    MLB has been keeping official stats for well over 100 years. That’s how we know how many games Cy Young won and Ty Cobb’s career OBP.

    Not sure how the internet is relevant to this discussion. And my version of a respectful discussion is respecting your intelligent and maturity enough to assume you can handle it when I tell you how long you’ve been a Yankee fan and where one can find stats that have been kept since the 19th century has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

    “Brett is a fine player to have as a 4th outfieder/ pinch runner. He’s yet to prove he can be an everyday player.”

    Which IS exactly on point. He’s got 345 ML Ab’s. Casting final judgment on him now is foolhearty, for those 75 to 15 and any age in-between.

  207. Comet January 6th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    GB7:

    “It’s a little early, but, he’s better than Jerry Kenney (Bubba Crosby was better than Kenney).”

    As I recall Jerry Kenney was really hyped when he was a prospect. Kenney and Bobby Murcer were supposed to be the next generation, taking over from Mantle and the other Yankee stars of the early sixties. Both were drafted or volunteered to go fight in Vietnam. Lost two years and in Kenney’s case some of the shine that was to make him a star.

    Comet

  208. ortforshort January 6th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    My initial impression is that Cashman is clueless. However, his Inner Accountant is winning the struggle between Sense and Cents. He’s rolling the dice that a half baked lineup with Gardner, Hoffman, Swisher, Mitre, Gaudin and, once again, he’s wishing that Chamberlain and Hughes will turn into decent big league starters. All he’s doing is deferring the inevitable. When the Yankees get off to their typical bad start due to all the holes in their lineup and have to start spending or trading prospects in mid season to catch up. Its Cashman’s annual dance.

  209. Chase January 6th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Get Damon!!!!!!!!

  210. cjy51 January 7th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    truth is you cant say damon wont be back just yet, if we know anything its that you cant just take cash’s word for it, ill believe that theres no chance her returns the day he signs with another team, but besides that i think brett cannot and will not start in LF whoever they bring in to “back him up” will end up starting over him mark my words, hes a fast kid and yes is a great 4th outfielder but he cant start, i say sign two out of xavier nady marcus thames and rocco baldelli, they will all be affordable by the end of the offseason which would make this possible, I really believe tho that nady will have a come back year, he is a 1990s type of guy(tough, clutch, and humble) and thats what the yankees need so i say sign him to a year with and option for another and then get either thames or baldelli as the back up plan in case his arm isnt back to form… and at the end of the day the yankees didnt go after holliday because they are waiting for next years free agents class of outfielders, because carl crawford will be a yankee in 2011 in not by the end of 2010 when the rays are getting blown out and and brett still hasnt learned how to bunt. and i just gotta say that the yankees should have pushed brett into the vasquez deal and kept melky around because then wouldnt have this problem, the kid was no allstar but he was clutch and he knew his role, we wouldnt have won the world series without him

  211. rip44 January 7th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Gardners track record is that he gets better every year with more playing time. In spring training I would force him to bunt once each game

  212. 46fan January 7th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Thanks, Chad….this off-season reminds me of two years ago – Cash holding on to the “cash” for next year – better free agent class, plus he has to pay Jeter, Mo and Girardi with new contracts next year…..

  213. chairman January 7th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    In simple terms, Gardner is a bust. His sole claim to fame is that he is fast on the baselines on those few occasions he gets a basehit or is inserted as a pinch runner, and good defensive partime cf’r. Those types of guys can be purchased anytime. There’s no room for him on the Yanks unless he can hit at least 260.

  214. angel January 7th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    please,are you kidden me, gardner a every day in left fiel no way mr cash .my point of view yankees won’nt be the same team of last year period.

  215. Wei January 7th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    ortforshort
    January 6th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    My initial impression is that Cashman is clueless.
    ————————————————————–

    You are an idiot.

  216. frank January 8th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Do you think they have completely forgotten about c.m.Wang,i just think it would be a big mistake someday.

  217. Tony T. January 8th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    The last statement by Mr. Cashman has me the most curious. I wonder who the Yanks have already signed to minor league contracts, that they are not yet ready to reveal.

  218. M-Three January 10th, 2010 at 2:35 am

    I think that our bullpen out of spring training will ultimately be: Mo, Joba, Marte, D-Rob, Ace, Gaudin and Melancon. If there is an injury then I think we will see Sanchez get a shot. As for Edwar, he has one option left that will be used this march to send him away to scranton for the full year. After this year, he will get nontender so that someone who can actually help this team can have that 40 man roster spot.


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