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Yankees sign OF Reid Gorecki

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 11, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Baseball America’s latest minor league transactions includes one new Yankees signing: Outfielder Reid Gorecki.

Once a highly-touted prospect in the Cardinals system, Gorecki’s career momentarily stalled in Double-A. He played just 21 Triple-A games in the Cardinals’ system, but he got his career going again with the Braves. Last season, in the pitching friendly International League, he hit .286 with nine home runs, 27 doubles, six triples and 14 stolen bases. He made his major league debut during the 2009 season, getting just 25 at-bats with the Braves. He has played all three outfield positions, primarily center field.

Barring a big spring training, Gorecki will almost certainly open the season with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre as a regular in the outfield with Colin Curtis and previous free agent signing, Jon Weber.

UPDATE, 7:27 p.m.: Just a few other notable minor league signings: INF Angel Berroa to the Dodgers, RHP Jeff Kennard (former Yankees minor leaguer traded for Jose Molina) to the Cubs, INF Danny Richar (a solid infielder I saw quite a bit in the IL) to the Marlins, RHP Kevin Cameron (solid reliever in limited big league time) to the Giants.

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293 Responses to “Yankees sign OF Reid Gorecki”

  1. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Another upper-decki from Gorecki!

  2. NYY626 January 11th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Wow, watching Mac on MLB…he’s full of it.

  3. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 11th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    SoS,

    Did you get my comment about Peter being an SF Giants fan?

    Someone on here indicated as much when I raised the subject on the blog a while back.

  4. Phil the Thrill January 11th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    I wonder when they’re going to announce the rest of their minor league signings.

  5. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 11th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    This McGwire interview isn’t starting out well.

    He looks squeemish and seems to be lying.

    Regretting playing in the steroid era? Blaming it on the time period?

    The steroids didn’t help you hit HRs? You would have hit just as many without PEDs? Nonsense.

    You took them to recover from injuries? Hmmm. Ever think that your steroid use may have CAUSED all those freak injuries to your tendons, your heels, etc.?

    Samll dosages? Don’t remember the names of the drugs? Come on!

    This guy is a huge fraud. IMO this interview isn’t helping him so far.

    Costas is at least letting him have it. Ask those tough questions Bob.

  6. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    SoS,

    Someone on here told me he was SF Giants fan…makes little to no sense to me, but then again I grew up in California rooting for the Yankees because my mom is a New Yorker, so I guess I am not one to talk.

    ===============

    Mad Prince,
    My story odd. I grew up rooting for the Halos being from socal. I was a Mattingly fan through out that time. When the Halos choked in the 86 championship series vs. the Sox. I couldnt stick with a team that had so much quit in them(knew the season was over when Donny Moore gave up that bomb even though they were still up in the series). So the following year, i went on to root for my favorite players team. I guess it was meant to be. The Sox crushed me that year. But I have gone on to ruin them for eternity(2004 was a glitch). Never been to NY. Cant wait to finally go to a game their.

  7. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 11th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    This guy is a huge phony.

    Anyone that buys this crap is naive.

    Can you possibly be worse at faking this “choking up” nonsense?

  8. Rich in NJ January 11th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    They really are short OF at AAA.

  9. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 11th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Does reading Petes stuff on his Sox blog make you a troll? I know i have no interest going to that site for anything. Its like the guy that quits my business. Do i really care what he does and how he does it after. Never.

    ————————————————————

    S.o.S, that wouldn’t make you a troll. I would question your choice of reading material, though.

  10. Erin January 11th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Is it just me, or is Gorecki a really cool name? :)

  11. MTU January 11th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Nick-

    If he were half Japanese his name might be Hideki Gorecki.
    :)

  12. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
    January 11th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    GB7,

    “I didn’t read anything that he wrote. I only responded to this portion of the blog. His writing didn’t interest me then or now.”

    First of all, glad to hear you’re doing better.

    Secondly, great post, although I will say that I found a lot of what Peter wrote to be informative. But the conversation on here was always one of the premier parts of the blog.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, mad. Appreciate the kind thoughts. Doing pretty well, now. I just was never interested in what he had to say. If it weren’t for some of the people that are regs on here (the good ones), I’d have never stayed on here.

  13. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. January 11th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    watching mcguire on mlb network–can’t say i’m surprised, don’t think anybody is. but it’s still sad. i actually didn’t know he hadn’t come clean already…weird.

  14. pat January 11th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Whether Canseco shot him up or not, I still get some pleasure from hearing Mac calling Jose a liar.

  15. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Nick,
    Speaking of being a fan. Are you a Bears Alumni? If not, what would make you root for them accept for living up north? I know Tony Gonzalez and Kidd came from there. But its not like they are ever recognized being in the shadows of USC football and UCLA basketball.

  16. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    previous thread

    GB7,
    I have never gone to his site and dont plan to. Hope everythings going better for you and the candy cigs cured your cravings.

    Changing the subject a bit.
    Watched Avatar this past weekend. Great special effects(never seen anything like it before)and good story. I would recommend it to all of you. GB,not even a black and white movie compares to these special effects. Trust me.

  17. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. January 11th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    so he used steroids and hgh??? wow. so he got hurt (maybe from the hgh) and used steroids to get better, faster…

  18. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    If he was half Japanese he might be a fan of the indie band Half Japanese!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Japanese

  19. gwb-43 January 11th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Curious you say that. That actually is Matsui’s middle name.

    Hideki Gorecki Matsui.

  20. NYY626 January 11th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    does he really believe his 20 something yr old son didnt know?

  21. m January 11th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    There are no ‘c’s in Japanese. So that would be Hideki Goreki, Nick. :P

  22. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    If Gorecki becomes a superstar in NY, will they rename Central Park in his honor? Gorecki Park?

  23. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. January 11th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    What’s all this about Goreki?

  24. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 11th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Costas is doing a great job here.

    He’s not lobbing McGwire any softballs.

    You would think McGwire would be prepared better. He seems stumped by some of these questions.

    Protecting your family? This is such garbage.

    I would have so much more respect for this guy if he just was honest.

    You took steroids because it helped you. You obviously hit more HRs because of it. You didn’t come out and talk before because you didn’t HAVE to. You know what you took. What PEDS did you take? how did they make you feel?

    Now you have a ML hitting coach job. You have no choice.

    Go Costas! Don’t take this nonsense.

  25. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    miggs,
    Not watching but from the looks of it,he should have studdied Alex’s press conference and used as much of it as he possibly can.

  26. Dan January 11th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Is it just me, or does it look like McGwire has stretch marks on his neck? That’s not really the sign of natural growth.

  27. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    previous thread

    GB7,
    I have never gone to his site and dont plan to. Hope everythings going better for you and the candy cigs cured your cravings.

    Changing the subject a bit.
    Watched Avatar this past weekend. Great special effects(never seen anything like it before)and good story. I would recommend it to all of you. GB,not even a black and white movie compares to these special effects. Trust me.

    ————————————————————

    One mistake that I made with the candy cigarettes was lighting one up.

    Avatar doesn’t interest me. I was never in to those “action” movies. Much prefer the old movies/music, comedies and war pictures

  28. blake January 11th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Costas is so good at this sorta thing. I wish he could do postseason games again.

  29. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 11th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Who?

  30. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    I mentioned this earlier. Could it be that Mcquire is doing this for the hopes of getting more hof votes later on? His votes are terrible as of now. Nothing to lose.

    They need to just make records post 90′s and prior 90′s. There is no way of knowing who played clean. Marris record deserves to still be standing and so does Aarons.

  31. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    m: now you’re blaming me for errors I didn’t even make????

    S.o.S.: Yes, I am a UC-Berkeley alum. Tony Gonzalez was a monster on the basketball court too, but one of my most enduring memories is of him muscling in an and-1 layup vs. Cincinnati with Cal down 2 and time expiring. He missed the FT which would have won the game and then the Bearcats won in OT. They ran off the court like then had just robbed a bank, with Huggins the chief robber. :mad:

  32. blake January 11th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    He could be doing it to possibly get more HOF votes later on but he’s not getting in regardless. No matter what he says he would not have hit 70 hrs without the juice.

    He more than likely doing it so he and the Cardnials don’t have to answer questions about it over and over.

  33. Patrick January 11th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    IT’s too bad McGwire isn’t being appreciated for being such a great teamate. He put everything on the line by taking steroids and he’s being vilified rather than lauded for doing whatever it takes to help his team.

  34. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. January 11th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Patrick–You can’t be serious.

  35. gwb-43 January 11th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    GB7

    Gorecki Park? That’s funny! Historically so.

    Or is that hysterically?

  36. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion January 11th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    haha.

    You hits all those HRs because of your fantastic hand-eye coordination?

    So funny.

  37. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Nick,
    That was a nice team they had. I was actually rooting for them at the time. They were a great team to watch. Cant remember much but i know those Huggins teams back then werent a push over. That team was almost as exciting to watch as those UNLV and Michigans Fab 5 teams. I wonder how Gonzalez would have done in the nba?

  38. Rich in NJ January 11th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    He’s sounds lawyered up, but it’s better than continuing to lie.

  39. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    gwb-43
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    GB7

    Gorecki Park? That’s funny! Historically so.

    Or is that hysterically?

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I was wondering if anybody made the connection. I love puns and as bad as that one was, I’ve seen worse on here.

  40. blake January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Costas is trying his best to get him to admit that steriods could allow you to hit more homeruns and it aint happening.

  41. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    If he were half Japanese his name might be Hideki Gorecki.

    ===========

    I had a comeback to this but i forgot what Igawa’s first name was. Seriously, thats pretty sad. Im not sure i want to know the answer either.

  42. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    never did like McGwire.

    not from day 1. Always came across as arrogant

  43. Carl January 11th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    blake January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Costas is trying his best to get him to admit that steriods could allow you to hit more homeruns and it aint happening.

    Yep lol

  44. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    If he were half Japanese his name might be Hideki Gorecki.

    ===========

    I had a comeback to this but i forgot what Igawa’s first name was. Seriously, thats pretty sad. Im not sure i want to know the answer either.

    ————————————————————

    You mean Kei Gorecki Iguana?

  45. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Clare -

    i don’t really lump all those together. ARod sat down for a face-to-face interview. I don’t believe anyone else did. And he probably was more specific than anyone to date. But what I was saying is that many were not all that thrilled with his responses, and weren’t satisfied that he sort of passed blame onto (a) his cousin and (b) the “loosey-goosey” -ness of the times. As I said, overall, he has been the lone figure to face the issue head-on, even if he didn’t execute perfectly. (He also side-tracked the issue somewhat as far as Selena Roberts goes, though I don’t blame him for that.)

    I am flummoxed that McGwire is getting such absolution. It is 100% for certain that he would not have opened his mouth had he not taken this job with the Cardinals. However, one could think this way: he had to know that by taking this job he’d have to face the issue. But he had time and he had Alex’s downfall and Manny’s and Papi’s and whoever else – so by now he’s just one of a bunch instead of the poster boy.

  46. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    “That was a nice team they had. I was actually rooting for them at the time.”

    “what would make you root for them accept for living up north? I know Tony Gonzalez and Kidd came from there. But its not like they are ever recognized being in the shadows of USC football and UCLA basketball.”

    ?????? ;)

  47. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 11th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    “Costas is so good at this sorta thing. I wish he could do postseason games again”
    ———————————–

    he was the best

  48. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I really wish McGwire would grad a Kleenex and blow his nose instead of snorting snot.

  49. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 11th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    re-post for Erica:

    So maybe the players who are joining the 2010 team will contribute to some wins as Damon and Melky (and Matsui) did in 2009?

    Or: The fact that Player X contributed to Win A in 2009 does not mean than the Yankees can’t win in 2010 without Player X in the lineup.

    ************

    Sorry, I had to leave work in the middle of that discussion and didn’t have time to announce my departure on LoHud.

    Its been a very long day. Can I just save myself the time and HISSSSSS at you now?

  50. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Doreen, almost every player that has admitted to using has said “it was just the times that we played”.

  51. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    GB7 -

    It’s such a weak excuse, though. Whether you’re ARod or whoever. It’s a variation on “but everyone else is doing it, ma.”

  52. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    I really wish McGwire would grad a Kleenex and blow his nose instead of snorting snot.

    =======

    GB,
    Wouldnt people feel sorry for him if he just went with the snot nose route and had it running to his lip?

  53. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    My biggest gripe with McGwire is his attempt to look like the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz.

    But I guess the wizard gave him his courage!!!

    I want Maris’s record stripped from McGwire.

    Oh well. You can’t always get what you want.

    Sevrox, sorry company interrupted the flow of conversation! Would love to see pics of the kids.

  54. Rick January 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    McGwire hasn’t helped his case for the HOF whatsoever. Canseco is who he is but McGwire and Sosa are the poster boys for ‘roids.

  55. Joe from Long Island January 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Others disagree, but I find this compeling journalism.

    Bob Costas is very good, one of the premier sports journalists today. He’s asked straight questions, and not so many softballs.

    I may be naive, but I think McGwire is really sincere. I think he has really convinced himself that he did it solely to improve his health, and that the drugs didn’t help him hit the homers. I disagree with that conclusion, but I think he really has convinced himself of that.

    I think he also really loves baseball. Why else would he submit himself to this, taking the coach job and all this?

    We can only imagine how that conversation with Pat Maris went.

  56. Carl January 11th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Greatest player ever? come on now.

  57. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Awww, Erica, you know I’m right on the logical point. But I’ll accept the HISSSSS on an emotional level. It’s hard to say goodbye.

    I’m booking a trip to Mexico in March right now and I’m building in a 6-hour stopover in Mexico City so I can have breakfast at this great restaurant with famous hot chocolate. You should fly down and it’ll be my treat (though I’ll probably be using your money for the meal ;) ).

  58. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Pujols will be known as the greatest player who ever played the game of baseball. Now I think he’s on beans also.

    BTW, I believe Pujols uses steroids. JMO

  59. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    The only real question I have about the “steroid era” is why did the “clean” players not blow the whistle?

    And in my mind, it comes down to this: money.

  60. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Idiot. I guess he didn’t understand Costa’s question about breaking Maris’s record.

  61. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I’m liking Verducchi again. I think McGwire is a big phony.

  62. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Awww, Erica, you know I’m right on the logical point. But I’ll accept the HISSSSS on an emotional level. It’s hard to say goodbye.

    I’m booking a trip to Mexico in March right now and I’m building in a 6-hour stopover in Mexico City so I can have breakfast at this great restaurant with famous hot chocolate. You should fly down and it’ll be my treat (though I’ll probably be using your money for the meal ).

    ****************

    Oooh- I did just get a passport. Seriously, never had one before and decided to get one in case I ever wanted to go somewhere interesting/leave the country in a giant hurry. Passport came in the mail Saturday! Except you’ll be paying with your own pesos!

  63. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Joe from LI

    I can’t watch Costs/McGwire right now, but I figure MLB will re-air it at some point tonight into tomorrow and I plan on watching for myself.

    As I said above, you can look at it two ways: He’s only talking ’cause he got the job; and he knew he’d have to talk once he took the job and so was finally prepared to do so.

    But he’s had a lot of time to think/prepare/observe. And that’s not including the extraordinary amount of time he took to address this since he took the job. Months ago.

  64. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Doreen
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    GB7 -

    It’s such a weak excuse, though. Whether you’re ARod or whoever. It’s a variation on “but everyone else is doing it, ma.”

    ————————————————————

    Maybe so. I haven’t given that a lot of thought. I just don’t believe that steroids did that much to help a baseball player. Football player helped with the bulking up, but, baseball needs flexibility and hand speed as much as strength. What has increased homers more than steroids has been 30 pitchers that don’t belong in the majors an ultra-light bats with pencil thin handles. When bats hit baseballs, they react like a spring loaded whip.

  65. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Tricia, I’m with you and I’m very disappointed that Mark didn’t go further with the truth…….I’ve met him many times, first time when he was a rookie with Oakland…I’ve coached against Matt since he was 9 years old…..I’ll just leave it at that, but he really made things worse today…..His head looked different today than 10 years ago….

  66. Rich in NJ January 11th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Yay, we won’t have Berroa to kick around anymore.

  67. Valerie G.--Now with an altered opinion of Javy Vazquez. January 11th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Rick–I sort of think the point (or part of it) was to put all this behind him, so to speak–that will say to the hof that he’s sorry, and that he really deserves their votes.

  68. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 11th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Hi Trisha,

    I’m with you on McGwire being a phony. I think he only came forward now because he wanted the job with the Cards.

  69. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    Hi Trisha,

    I’m with you on McGwire being a phony. I think he only came forward now because he wanted the job with the Cards.

    *************

    Well that and steriod “honesty” is also now the vogue thing to do. At the time of the hearing in 2003? grand jury indictments were flying around. Its much safer to come clean now

  70. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    I really wish McGwire would grad a Kleenex and blow his nose instead of snorting snot.

    =======

    GB,
    Wouldnt people feel sorry for him if he just went with the snot nose route and had it running to his lip?

    ————————————————————

    Yeah…who doesn’t love it when a snotty nosed kid (who isn’t yours) that wipes his nose on your new $1500 dollar Armani suit?

  71. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Pat M and Fran – you are two very intelligent observers.

    ;)

    There is no question in my mind that steroids give players a competitive edge. McGwire hit home runs that went forever. Don’t give me that was his God-given talent. And Fran, I agree this was all job oriented. What, he finally found religion? No, it’s that players will see that he is a shell of his former self and a broken down player. Questions would abound.

  72. Bronx Jeers January 11th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    It’s such a weak excuse, though. Whether you’re ARod or whoever. It’s a variation on “but everyone else is doing it, ma.”

    ————————————————————

    It’s loosey-goosey for the white man.

  73. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    In total agreement with GB7 here about the actual effects steroids have on increasing a baseball players performance.

  74. muffin stump January 11th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    mcgwire=self-deception

  75. Buddy Biancalana January 11th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    BTW, I believe Pujols uses steroids. JMO

    ———————————————
    I don’t believe Pujols is juiced at all.

  76. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    GB7 -

    It seems to me that the guys that used that were good were good anyway and probably didn’t need to use. The guys who used who weren’t very good to begin with (or just okay) didn’t get much benefit numbers wise.

    Did it make players who were hurt play through easier? Did they make guys heal faster?

    I don’t think steroids made Barry Bonds better than he was to begin with, or ARod, for that matter.

    I just wish one guy at one point would really talk to the thinking process. But they can’t do that. Because they’d need a neutral audience and they’re never going to have that.

  77. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 11th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Well that and steriod “honesty” is also now the vogue thing to do. At the time of the hearing in 2003? grand jury indictments were flying around. Its much safer to come clean now
    ******************
    Erica,

    True but Canseco testified in front of Congress and nothing has happened to him.

  78. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    And this day just got crappier….

    After a lot of hassle my 2010 Yankee mini wall calendar finally arrived in the mail today.

    There is a month for Brian Bruney and Chien Ming Wang….

    BUT NO JOHNNY DAMON MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  79. Carl January 11th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Buddy Biancalana January 11th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    BTW, I believe Pujols uses steroids. JMO

    ———————————————
    I don’t believe Pujols is juiced at all.

    Seeing how big he got as fast as he did. I believe he did.

  80. Nick in SF January 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Brian Bruney month?

    April Fools?

  81. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    If steroids have no effect on a player’s performance, I guess it was a huge coincidence that Clemens started using around the time he went to Toronto, you know, after Dan Duquette (apparently correctly) termed Clemens to be in the twilight of his career – and Clemens had a huge career revivial right after that.

    There is no question in my mind that steroids are exactly what they are termed to be – performance enhancing. Of course it’s only an illusion that body builders get much stronger and bigger using steroids – just like Nomar’s huge upper body after he supposedly worked out.

    And Pudge Rodriguez’s career careening downward after he was accused of using steroids and came back the next season skinned out because he “stopped eating hamburgers.”

    Wake up people!

  82. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    GB, You & I and several here have been around the game for many decades and have watched the greatest players in the 2nd half of the last century…..Once guys like Mac, Bonds, Sosa, Roger were putting up insane numbers after their 35th birthday it was clear although a hush was blanketed throughout the game that things were dirty…….By the way, the average home in the Newport Coast area is about 10-12 million….

  83. Clare January 11th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Doreen,

    Yes, ARod said those things, and that’s what the media focused on. But he also said his cousin was only acting at his direction, and he said it had nothing to do with being in Texas. He tried to justify himself, sure, with the young and stupid stuff, but he ultimately took responsibility and said he had no one to blame but himself.

    And one thing that he has never gotten credit for is all the things he didn’t say. He didn’t say that there were 103 other names on that list, that the list was illegally seized by an out of control fed, and then illegally leaked. He never said everyone in Texas at the time was doing it. He never said that everyone knew at the time, but now is playing dumb.

    And you’re right about the so-called “clean” players. No one, except 1 pitcher, ever said anything at the time. I think you’re right about it being the money, but also I think there weren’t that many “clean” players to begin with. And those “clean” players benefitted by having the PED users on their team.

  84. Stan January 11th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    I’ll still never forget when McGwire broke Roger Maris’s record and he went to the field box to hug the Maris family.
    That was the ultimate in hypocrisy knowing full well he was loaded with junk.

  85. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    and of course Ken Rosenthal believes that McGwire was more believable and honest than Rodriguez. Now, were in for a baseball wide crying jag for McGwire.

  86. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Good article largely calling into question the actual affect steroids had on baseball numbers…..

    http://tinyurl.com/ykq7zbj

  87. muffin stump January 11th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    doreen,

    how could the steroids not have impacted performance when it so clearly made bonds and mcgwire so much stronger physically and their accomplishments focused so much on homeruns?! they hit the ball incredibly far. one line of argument costas pursued in the interview with mcgwire was the overall statistics during that era. those departures from the norm are really telling, imo.

  88. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    And of course there was the one season that Brady Anderson hit 50 homers. God-given talent that was. One season of God-given talent.

    Okay.

  89. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Site that the previous article links to for even more information….

    http://steroids-and-baseball.com/

  90. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    Brian Bruney month?

    April Fools?

    *****************

    Brian Bruney is Mr. October.

    A phrase never to be used again in discussion of… anything

    ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think its going to perpetually remain September 2009 in the world of Erica.

  91. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    trisha -

    Was Roger Maris on steroids??

  92. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Maris was on 3 packs of Camels a day

  93. Abdababdaserser January 11th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I haven’t yet looked at others comments yet about the McGwire interview. I will after I put down my thoughts on it.

    I felt there was far too much of him saying over and over about how the PEDs did nothing to enhance his performance. He down played his use that he admitted stemmed for over 10 years, yet still says that he could have put up the same numbers.

    Had he said that the PEDs didn’t help him with hand eye coordination, but conceded that he might not have been able to have those incredible seasons to the same extent, then it would have been more believable.

    I can understand his feeling about playing in such an era. When PED use was prevalent, but you still have to take responsibility for your own actions.

    I can feel for him having to go through this on national TV. It can’t be easy to do that. I just felt that most of this was to give him enough of a chance to still get in to the HOF. I thought Costas did a very good job. Better than Gammons did with Alex.

    I didn’t like him using health as the excuse. It was disappointing to see that he hasn’t admitted to any performance boost for using the drugs.

    The trouble with this whole era is that there aren’t any players that you can look at and say beyond a doubt they are clean. Especially they ones who have big power numbers.

    To blame it on the era is wrong.

    I also question some of the players who are now announcers for the MLB Network who seem to protest too much about them staying clean. They sound about as sincere about their pronouncements as McGwire sounded about the PEDs not enhancing his performance.

  94. pat January 11th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    A teary eyed Costas?

  95. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Abad, good commentary on MLB network right now.

  96. Joe from Long Island January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Pat M. – I remember, growing up in the 60s, that age 35, for a baseball player, was a wall of sorts. I never understood how, without some aid, how players could put up those insane numbers in their late 30s.

    I wonder if Brian Cashman has the same thought, re: Abreu, Matsui, Damon.

    Bob Costas is giving a pretty good analysis of the interview, and McGwire’s failure to admit the drugs’ effect on his success.

  97. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Costa should be nominated for some award for how he conducted that interview…..He’s simply the best, he bleeds baseball

  98. bru January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    does anybody think era for pitchers are dropping since stricter testing is in place?

    vazquez,greinke,etc???

  99. Matt January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    There will be no interviews or quotes heard from Bonds or Clemens toward the revelations of any or all of McGwire’s statements.

  100. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    My mother (who was not a baseball fan) still had the best line ever during the summer of 1998, said randomly while in the car one day……

    “Who is this Mark McGwire? And whats the big deal?”

  101. haiku-man January 11th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Friends in St Louis called about Mcgwire, said on the local Sports News, it was reported Mcgwire supposedly called Maris’ widow to apologize.

    This comes only after the media called him a lowlife all day, with no character for hugging Mrs Maris the night he manufactured the run, that moved him past her husband.

  102. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Yeah, of course Maris was on steroids. He had all of the telltale signs – roid rages, acne, bulging rippling muscles, a large head. Oh he didn’t have any of them? Sorry. I must have been thinking of Barry Bonds.

  103. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Pat M, totally agree about Bob Costas. I love the guy.

  104. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    “does anybody think era for pitchers are dropping since stricter testing is in place?”

    Bru, definitely thought about that last season.

  105. Bronx Jeers January 11th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    If steroids don’t help a players performance then why the heck are they taking them?

    For smaller testicles and back acne?

  106. muffin stump January 11th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Yeah, of course Maris was on steroids. He had all of the telltale signs – roid rages, acne, bulging rippling muscles, a large head. Oh he didn’t have any of them? Sorry. I must have been thinking of Barry Bonds.
    ************************
    lol :)

  107. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Pat M.
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    GB, You & I and several here have been around the game for many decades and have watched the greatest players in the 2nd half of the last century…..Once guys like Mac, Bonds, Sosa, Roger were putting up insane numbers after their 35th birthday it was clear although a hush was blanketed throughout the game that things were dirty…….By the way, the average home in the Newport Coast area is about 10-12 million….

    ————————————————————

    I see players putting up these numbers, but, Ruth was hitting 40 and mid 30 homers at age 37-38 and aaron had 40 at age 39 and Ted william or stan Musial age 41. Unusual for hitters, but, not so much for pitchers. I see Spahn and Ryan winning 20 and pitching no hitters after age 41. Pitchers seem to do unusual things at an older age more often. I just don’t see steroids helping as much as it hurts when it binds up the upper part of the body. I really can’t see that it could help a pitcher at all.

  108. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Roger Maris HR numbers from 58-65….

    16
    39
    61
    33
    23
    26
    8

    Hmmmm…one of these things is not like the others….

  109. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    More on Derek Jeter’s “engagement”

    According to my beloved Tvguide, NBC Sports said it was his sister’s wedding

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/De.....13590.aspx

  110. Jeremy January 11th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Notice how they have to mention Alex when talking about Mark. I can’t stand the media sometimes.

  111. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Erica, forget Jeter’s engagement. We’ll find out soon enough!

    :)

  112. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    “Guys were taking them so they must help” is a completely asinine argument. Baseball players do stupid things that think help them perform all the time…

  113. bru January 11th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    i appreciate mussina a lot more now

    doing what he dis in the al east & his whole career was in the steroid era

  114. bru January 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    did in the al east

  115. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    “True but Canseco testified in front of Congress and nothing has happened to him”
    ————————————————–

    Canseco is scum. And likely devoid of any good intentions. That said, he was the one who blew the whistle

  116. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    bru, I’m with you. Mussina had God-given talent. Same with Pedro.

  117. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 11th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    Erica, forget Jeter’s engagement. We’ll find out soon enough!

    ************

    Some people do like a little gossip mixed with their baseball

  118. Abdababdaserser January 11th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I think steroids can help pitchers as well as any other player. Being about to have faster recovery time and keep up strength will have its benefit.

    I do agree with GB7 that it can hurt the pitchers as well with causing tightness of the upper body, but it could depend on how long they are using them.

    This makes me wonder about Damon and his noodle arm. Has he used steroids and that caused his arms to tighten up so they can throw a ball well? It would also help explain his calf problems.

  119. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    GB, Those players that you named ( Ruth tec. ) were the greatest of the greats….Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwuire, even Bonds, their numbers leaped by 30 % over their career best…..

  120. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Well time to bulk up naturally – by eating! Supper beckons.

    :D

  121. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Clare -

    You’re right.

    :)

    ——

    I don’t think steroids can make a bad player good. It would fly in the face of common sense to think they couldn’t make a good player reach higher heights. So a 350 foot homerun becomes a 500 foot homerun. A 300 foot fly ball goes out of the park. The numbers, the production, for an already gifted player, is enhanced. Clemens was good before he started to take steroids. The steroids gave his career longevity, a re-start.

  122. Jeremy January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    I am so sick of Gammons. He should just retire because he is useless. The only good thing he can do is be a flunky for the Red Sox. All he does is mention Yankee steroid users but no one else when making a point.

  123. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Speaking of steroids, David Ortiz is scheduled to be on Jimmy Fallon tonight.

  124. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 11th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    “Some people do like a little gossip mixed with their baseball”

    :lol:

    Then have at!

  125. rodg12 January 11th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Pat M -

    You don’t believe Barry Bonds is one of the best hitters of all-time????

  126. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    rodg12
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Roger Maris HR numbers from 58-65….

    16
    39
    61
    33
    23
    26
    8

    Hmmmm…one of these things is not like the others….

    ————————————————————

    He started with 14 homers as a rookie but missed a third of the season, followed bt 28 homers. He was 25-27 dring the 3 big NYY years. He was hurt every tear after that, and mangled his hand in 1965 and played with it, and lost all strength in his hand. Johnny Mize once hit 51 and never had more than 43 before had 40 the next tear and never more than 25 after that. just 3 years of 40+ homers.

  127. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Roger Maris HR numbers from 58-65….

    16
    39
    61
    33
    23
    26
    8

    Hmmmm…one of these things is not like the others….
    =======

    For a second there i thought those were Brady Andersons numbers.

  128. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Rodg12…Barry was an outstanding ballplayer, however he was hitting dingers at a faster rate than anyone in the history of the game after he turned 35 …..And he was not on par with Ruth, Ted Williams, Stan The Man, Henry Aaron….No way no how…..

  129. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Pat M.
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    GB, Those players that you named ( Ruth tec. ) were the greatest of the greats….Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwuire, even Bonds, their numbers leaped by 30 % over their career best…..

    ————————————————————

    True, but, like Maris’ numbers, they came right after expansion with 30 to 60 pitchers that should have been in the minors.

  130. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Pat,
    Barry was hitting 30+ homers and was a 5 tool player before his head grew big.

    GB7,
    You dont think getting stronger by using steroids gives the batter a faster swing. Thus allowing him to get a look at the pitch a bit longer and having those pop fly outs go over the fense?
    Pitcher having a notch or two higher fastball wouldnt hurt.

  131. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    S.o.S…….30 + is different than 60 + at 38 years old…He hit something like 250 homers in 5 years

  132. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    The guys whose numbers spiked for a season or two? What kind of hitters were they prior to those spikes? Were they warning track power guys? So possibly PEDs could give them the little extra needed to push the ball another 10 feet? That seems possible to me.

    But can PEDs make a guy who usually hits the ball on the ground or dinky fly balls all of sudden start hitting ‘em out?

    And can you just take PEDs or do you have to also “do the work” a la Clemens’ famous ultra workouts? In which case, how much is the PEDs and how much is the workout? And do the PEDs simply allow your body to recover better from workouts and the workouts themselves generate the strength? And does it matter? If you’re not willing to put in the work, will PEDs do anything at all?

    In a perfect world I wish no player had taken steroids and we could not have these conversations anymore. But it does seem to me, if we like a player, we kind of gloss over the PED use; if we don’t like a player, well, there seem to be gradations of guilt or at least of what we’ll believe/accept.

  133. S.o.S. January 11th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Pat,
    I agree. I was just noting that he was a super star prior to taking those bun shots. He would have ended up in the 500+ homers, but obviously no where near the 7 mark. Still been one of the best to ever play the game.

    Good night fellas.

  134. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 11th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    Pat,
    Barry was hitting 30+ homers and was a 5 tool player before his head grew big.

    GB7,
    You dont think getting stronger by using steroids gives the batter a faster swing. Thus allowing him to get a look at the pitch a bit longer and having those pop fly outs go over the fense?
    Pitcher having a notch or two higher fastball wouldnt hurt.

    ————————————————————

    If they helped, I don’t think it was by much. Maybe 5% and certainly no more than 10% at the most. Whatever they gained they may have lost by being overly muscle bound. I just don’t believe they helped that much.

    Everyone talks about the length of homers, but when Mantle was 19 years old and a rookie he had to 500 fooot homers and he weighed 165 pounds. Lou Brock hit a 500 footer in the Polo Grounds to dead center. Did it increase bat speed? Did it help hand/eye coordination? I don’t know, but, I doubt it.

  135. pat January 11th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    “And do the PEDs simply allow your body to recover better from workouts and the workouts themselves generate the strength”

    Doreen

    A friend who is a physical therapist told me when we were discussing this topic around the time of Alex’s presser that is likely the biggest effect. Taking steroids gives you muscle and recovery potential without the work it’s nothing but potential.

  136. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Doreen, not sure of an answer to your question, but, Maris had his spike, but, he made a conscience effort to pull the ball in Yankee stadium. He was basically a paul O’Neill type hitter until the yanks told him to pull the ball to hit homers.

  137. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    GB7 -

    I was talking about players in the steroid era. :)

    pat -

    And that’s an advantage over people who are working out with assistance. :?

    —-

    I am just trying to be fair all around. I’m not sure these guys who used should necessarily be as villified as they are. PEDs gave them an advantage, but my personal opinion is that in most cases it was to do their job as best they could (and, to keep the cash cow going, too – even I’m not that naive). If the guy was doing all that work, I could see how he could not think he was cheating. The thinking process: the steroids help the workout, the workout helps the production, the production helps the team (and the accolades and the numbers and the money).

  138. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    That’s the one strange thing about Rodriguez’ numbers. He never really had that huge spike. He went from the mid 40s to a couple of 50 homer years at age 25 and 26. his numbers have always been amazingly consistant. One would think that he’d have that one or two super seasons of Bonds, Sosa and McGwire.

  139. Pat M. January 11th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    GB, 10% increase for a guy like Bonds who hit 30 a year, then under that premise he only hits 33 …….That 10 % is grossly low….Sosa hit over 60 three years in a row in his mid 30′s

  140. Rich in NJ January 11th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Steroids can make you immune to fatigue compared with non-users.

  141. Chad Jennings January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    New post.

  142. Doreen January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    GB7 -

    Bonds was on a mission.

    He was setting out to break McGwire’s record. Is it possble that in addition to the PEDs that made his flyballs HRs and his HRs monstrous, he made other adjustments that added to the HR total? I mean he either hit a HR or walked, right? So couldn’t he have adopted the approach of trying to hit a HR every time up? And he was good enough to do that (with alittle added “oomph”)?

  143. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Doreen
    January 11th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    GB7 -

    I was talking about players in the steroid era.

    ————————————————————

    During the steroid era, it also coinsided with two expansion years, so, who or what is the real culprit? Every big MLB homer years and the 3-4 years after came after expansion. There could be so many answers, or it could be all of the things combined.

  144. Rishi January 11th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    :arrow:

  145. GreenBeret7 January 11th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Pat M.
    January 11th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    GB, 10% increase for a guy like Bonds who hit 30 a year, then under that premise he only hits 33 …….That 10 % is grossly low….Sosa hit over 60 three years in a row in his mid 30’s

    ————————————————————

    Yeah but Bonds also had homers in the upper 30s and 40s for years before that. I’m no Bonds fan by a long shot, but, as freakish as the numbers are, I just don’t think the steroids accounted for that much more. What about George Foster’s three years. Freak seasons happen and you had three guys trying to hammer every pitch out of the park. To be honest, Bonds’ batting averages shocked me more than the homers.

  146. stuckey January 11th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    The year Brady Anderson hit 50 homeruns, I saw him hit like maybe his 30th or so in the middle of the summer. I’ll never forget this. He hit the ball, saw it was long-gone and as he was leaving the batter”s box, chuckled to himself, like he couldn’t believe it.

    I’m not condemning anyone. Tens of millions of dollars were at stake for something that really wasn’t against the rules according to the letter of the law.

    But to suggest performances weren’t enhanced is ignoring the plainly obvious.

  147. randy l. January 11th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    mcguire is shooting himself in the foot with saying that steroids didn’t increase his home run total.

    being adamant that all his home runs are legit and that he would have hit them anyway makes him look foolish.

    mc guire is trying to say that because he led his little league, high school, and college baseball in home runs that it’s consistent he would lead the major leagues and set the major league record.

    well ,every year there’s a college player who leads college baseball in home runs and they don’t set major league home runs.

    he was obviously huge because of steroids.

    his whole career may have been steroid affected. he may have been using in college for all we know, though i saw him up close when he was on the olympic team playin the cape cod all stars. he wasn’t huge then . tall but not massive.

    that team had oddibe mcdowell , cory snyder, bj surhoff, will clark, barry larkin, etc. i remember seeing mcguire and thinking what a pompous a– . i don’t remember thinking that of anyone else .

    it was a great game. the olympic team won on a last inning home run by snyder or mcdowell. but it always stuck in my head what a jerk mc guire was.

    when he still says that he broke the home run record on his own and it’s unfortunate he played in the steroid era with no testing, i’m still thinking ” what a pompous jerk”.

    that said, you still have to feel for the pompous jerk crying in front of everyone.

    his records need to be stripped.

    he’s admitted using a lot . take them away.
    leave the old roger maris record for a new young player to break some day.

    the question is how far to go in stripping records. arod should probably lose 100 or so home runs on years he admitted using.

    team records can’t be touched, but individual records should be adjusted.

    mcguire got away with his money intact. i think he’s lucky with that. baseball should fine him 10 million to get back in the game.

  148. stuckey January 11th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    GB7,

    What I think you’re forgetting about Bond’s huge years was the fact he hardly every got pitched to. He walk rates were through the roof. And I’m sure he hardly got many good pitches in the ab’s he didn’t walk.

    I don’t have the advanced metrics in front of me, but his contact rate and average/slugging for pitches he actually swung at were like other-wordly.

    This isn’t a guy who had a lot of hits and a lot of them left the ballpark. This is a guy who hit a ridiculous rate of pitched me made contact with to places no other hitter is hitting balls to these days.

    His year’s had little to do with “power”. They were due to the fact he could wait on pitches longer than any human being in history and them still get the bat through the zone when he finally recognized the pitch.

    What he did wasn’t natural.

  149. 57' Yank January 11th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    If Bonds didn’t use steroids, hgh, and masking agents, then I’m the new comissioner of MLB as of tomorrrow ! Look at his freakin’ body, head size, and even shoe size got wider during his “big” years. This from clubhouse personnel. Totally abnormal for your feet to widen at that age.
    Have read reports of doctors very knowledgable on subject and they said PEDs do help even sight and give you an unbelievable confidence that says “you can’t get me out!”

    Hundreds more have done the sam thing, we’ll never all.

    Mark McGuire made an ass of himself again. As bad as before congress. He’s no differnet than Canseco now, who I always believed but think even less of as he is an idiot !

  150. Ken A.K.A. Old Ranger January 12th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    There was a big spike in HRs after baseball lowered the pitching mound back in the 50′s (can’t recall the year) and also when they went to 162 games. As stated above, adding 30/60 AAA pitchers to major league teams made good hitters out of a lot of guys.
    When A-Rod was taking Roids in Texas, he had two or three of his worse years…it sure didn’t help him. I think that is one reason I believe him when he said, something like; I took them a little while and didn’t like them, so I quit taking them.
    GB…good to see you’re still with us…in remission?

  151. Laszlo January 12th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I played CYO ball with Gorecki back in the early 90′s, and struck him out when we were 9. He was nothing special back than.

  152. Andrew January 12th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Just cause you struck him out when you were 9 does not mean hes not talented. Everyones body develops at different stages. Hes at where he is now because he deserves it.

  153. Laszlo January 13th, 2010 at 6:46 am

    Sorry, apparently sarcasm doesn’t translate well here.

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