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Another name for the non-roster invite list

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There’s been no official release from the organization, but the Yankees online roster lists a new name among the non-roster invitees: Right-handed pitcher Zack Segovia.

I actually remember Segovia from my time covering the Phillies organization. From roughly 2003 to 2007, he was constantly a mid-level, high-potential prospect in the Philadelphia system, but arm problems constantly slowed him down. Segovia had Tommy John surgery in 2003 and missed all of 2004, but he had a massive resurgence in 2006 (the year before the Yankees came to Scranton). He had 11 wins and a 3.11 ERA through 17 Double-A games that season, then made the Phillies opening-day roster in 2007.

That was pretty much his Phillies peak.

Segovia got into one big league game with the Phillies — five innings, five runs, eight hits – before going 1-9 in Triple-A and finished the ’07 season back down in Double-A. He sank all the way back to A-ball the following year and eventually wound up with the Nationals, where his career had another resurgence.

Last season, Segovia worked exclusively out of the bullpen for the first time in his career. With Triple-A Syracuse, he had a 2.54 ERA with four saves and a .184 opponents batting average. That earned a call-up to the big leagues, where Segovia made eight apperanaces: Three were really good, three were really bad and two were not great but not awful.

I remember Segovia as a guy perpetually on the verge of a breakthrough, and maybe that breakthrough happened last season. The Yankees have plenty of right-handed relief options in Triple-A, so their scouts must have seen something in Segovia they like. He turns 27 in April, and he’ll be coming to camp as a non-roster invitee. No harm in giving the guy a look.

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177 Responses to “Another name for the non-roster invite list”

  1. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Chad-

    What sort of pitching arsenal does he bring ?

  2. blake January 13th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Sounds like a pretty good pick up. Thanks for giving us info like this Chad.

  3. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    This is torture.

  4. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Brett-

    Take some more GABA. :)

  5. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    It will be interesting to see what the Yankee Brass decides on the Joba/Hughes loser. Right now, I don’t think any of us fans are in position to say exactly what they’re going to do, but both, Rich and SJ make good contrary points.

  6. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    We’ve been through the Hughes things many times…..and I still agree with Rich. I expect Phil to lose the competition (for a variety of reasons) and be stuck in the pen as a set-up man, which is a mistake IMO. As Rich said, he will be unable to get stretched out in time to help make a few spot starts in case a pitcher has to miss a few turns. He’ll be reduced to workin on his curve and change on the side, which is not the same as facing live batters ( I still don’t get why he can’t use his curve in the pen) and he will end up with very few innings pitched. That means he’ll have major innings limitations in 2011 should the Yankees decide that he deserves another chance in the rotation.

    Outside of the Phil thing, I completely agree with SJ and Blake (though I am not really a fan of Aceves and I’m not not assuming anything with Melancon. If he doesn’t do well this spring, it’s going to be a big disappointment).

  7. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I keep seeing the same people insisting that Hughes needs to be sent to Scranton “to be stretched out”. First of all, nobody knows whether it’s Hughes or Chamberlain that will be the 5th starter. Another thing, Hughes pitched in 113 innings in 2009, and that doesn’t count his Spring Training innings or post season innings. He could easily pitch 160 innings in 2010. That puts him in perfect line to reach a possible 200 innings in 2011.

  8. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Looking at Fangraphs shows Segovia averaged 92.8 MPH on his fastball last year. That indicates to me that he is over any injury problems. He could be a decent pick-up if only for depth purposes.

  9. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I just can’t see either Joba or Hughes going back to AAA. Neither one of them has anything left to prove down there. Whoever does end up going to the pen will just make the pen that much stronger. JMO.

  10. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    My mistake. The 113 includes post season, butnot his ST innings.

  11. Cato January 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Yeah, but he’s a heck of a guitar player.

  12. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Patrick-

    Romulo Sanchez the second with less stuff ?

  13. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Betsy,

    Phil does use his curve in the pen. I also recall him using the cutter on occasion.

    I don’t think a lot of people understand that pitchers won’t use pitches they are confident in whether they are in the pen or the rotation. Even if Phil pitched out of the rotation he wouldn’t use his change as anything more than a show-me pitch. That’s not working on it. The only way pitchers get better at throwing certain pitches is during side sessions and spring training. Hughes can improve his change whether he’s in the pen or in the rotation.

  14. MunchABunchOfCakey January 13th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Roger, you were asking about Bruney and how that “trade” was any good. While I tend to agree, the Yankees were going to DFA him. I think they weren’t very high on him after this past season and couldn’t see paying him his salary. Getting the rule 5 draft pick was just a bonus, as he was not being brought back.

    It seems they still could have gotten more than just a pick for him though. It might be that he was shopped around and no teams were interested other than giving up that pick.

  15. m January 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    I’m not so sure Phil loses that competition. He’s always been good in ST as far as I remember, except for the last few outings in ’08. I think he was pitching with the rib thing at that point.

    Phil came in ready last season, reported to AAA. And was ready when they called him up.

    Now, if Joba shows up sitting at 95, that could change the dynamics a little. If he does that, the bandwagon will be filled to capacity. ;)

  16. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    GB-

    I think if PH goes to the BP he can easily be stretched out if that becomes necessary. Just takes some time.

    Just because Joba and Aceves had some issues with it does not necessarily mean PH will.

    JMO.

  17. blake January 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Betsy,
    I want Hughes to be in the rotation next year. I think he’s ready and I think its time. However I want the Yankees to win the WS again more and if they determine that he would make more of an impact setting up Rivera in 2010 and that gives them the best chance to win then so be it.

  18. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    MunchABunchOfCakey
    January 13th, 2010 at 9:54 am
    the Yankees were going to DFA him. I think they weren’t very high on him after this past season and couldn’t see paying him his salary.

    *********************
    I think it was spraying champagne on Hal that ultimately did him in. ;)

  19. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Also, should Joba go to the pen in 2010, why are we talking as if he’s a sure thing? It’s not like he was great in the post-season…..he was better than he was as a starter, but that wouldn’t be hard to do. Why should we assume that Joba is going to be more than ok in the pen next year? If Phil is in the pen, perhaps teams finally caught up with him and his two pitches. It’s no given that either of these kids (especially Joba) is going to be shut down. I agree with SJ about the team overall, but not the pen, so I need to amend my previous comments. The pen has potential, but there are many questions that have to be answered.

  20. Frank January 13th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    “We’ve been through the Hughes things many times…..and I still agree with Rich. I expect Phil to lose the competition (for a variety of reasons)”

    What are the variety of reasons that lead you to your conclusion. I’m thinking Hughes ends up being the #5 guy myself. More of a hunch than anything else, but have read of some whispers that the Yankees high command may think Chamberlain is better suited to the role of dominant reliever rather than starter, but nothing concrete on that.

  21. m January 13th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    I, too, am concerned with Phil getting the proper amount of innings under his belt. And it’s not so easy to stretch him out. They had plenty of time to do it when they were panicking about Wang last season. But they chose not to. And this was before Phil emerged as the bridge.

  22. MunchABunchOfCakey January 13th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Erin, I agree that neither Hughes/Joba have anything to show down in AAA, but it would more than likely be to have them work on certain pitches that they wouldn’t have the chance to in the majors.

    Hughes hasn’t used some of his pitches for a bit because of his work in the bullpen. Having him sort out throwing a change up and curve while trying to compete in the majors is a lot harder.

  23. MunchABunchOfCakey January 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I think it was spraying champagne on Hal that ultimately did him in.

    _____________

    Erin, I’m sure that didn’t help. :lol:

  24. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I’d have preferred NYY to pick up DJ Carrasco for the bullpen, instead of wasting time with a guy that can’t get his ERA under 5.50. Carrasco was cut loose by the White Sox after making $450K last year even after a 3.76 ERA and a good set of numbers overall.

  25. blake January 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    If the Marte we saw in the playoffs is the Marre we will see in 2010 them they have three pretty good arms out there in Marte, Robertson, and Rivera and that’s not counting Hughes or Joba. The pen could be really good.

  26. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    m-

    If they stretch out PH methodically and not in panic mode I do not think it would be an issue.

    the Yankees have gotten themselves in trouble when they have
    not done so, i.e. Wang, Aceves.

    JMO

  27. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Erin, it has nothing to do with what they have to prove; it has to do with being kept on a starters routine (among other things). Be prepared for Mitre or Gaudin as starters should someone go down. I’m not keen on seeing Phil or Joba stretched out for weeks, only to start one or two games, then be put back in the pen when the starter returns.

  28. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    MTU,

    So I would hope the Yankees would learn from last season. Have your 6th starter stretched out and ready to insert into the rotation.

    I don’t see the harm of starting Phil out in AAA where they can control his innings in the first half, and then let him go in the second half.

    I think part of the reason why they didn’t stretch him out was they needed an immediate solution. He was also beginning to open eyes in the bullpen. It’s been so long, though, since Phil’s started I forgot what he looks like there. :)

    BTW, more than a few of us believe that the Yankees should do one thing with the 6th starter, but will probably do the other.

  29. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    “Patrick-
    Romulo Sanchez the second with less stuff ?”

    I couldn’t compare their stuff because I’ve only seen either guy pitch once or twice but they seem like similar cases – converted relievers picked up off other teams scrap heaps.

  30. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Betsy-

    I dont think the Yanks would do the Yo-yo routine again.

    for instance, PH might start the season in the BP and later if Joba becomes ineffective he can be stretched out to replace him in the rotation.

    Joba then going to the BP for the reaminder of the season.

    Just an example. Other scenarios are possible.

  31. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    GB7,

    Perhaps the Yankees believe that Carrasco offers little marginal return over a guy like Segovia while DJ would probably cost half a million while Segovia costs nothing.

    This is a depth move, nothing more.

  32. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Patrick, he dropped the curve at some point in the pen. It wasn’t very consistent for him (granted, he didn’t throw it that often – which probably accounts for the inconsistency). Your point about the change is a good one. I don’t understand why the Yankees didn’t send him to winter ball to work on it; there was an article on NJ.com a few months ago about how the Yankees realized that Phil’s change still needed work.

    M, I don’t think Phil has enough weapons at this point (not his fault, given that he was in the pen all year and couldn’t work on his pitches) to compete with a half-way decent Joba. The only way I see Phil winning the competition is if Joba completely blows up and Phil doesn’t. Phil can only go with his FB and cutter if he’s trying to win…..Joba has more pitches at this point. . I really hate the idea of a competition for the 5th spot; both kids should be working on things, not trying to see who can dominate weak lineups

  33. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    M-

    I think the danger is the “panic” move not in being methodical.

    I see your point about PH at AAA but I think he is too valuable and if he looses the competition with Joba he goes to the BP at first.

    It’s a long season with plenty of room for change.

  34. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Mel, most #5 pitchers seldom get over 160 innings and that’s what Hughes would reach as long as he’s healthy and affective. In 2011, he’d hit the 200+ innings mark. Right now, nobody knows what roles Hughes and Chamberlain will have. I wouldn’t even try to guess. One thing, though, if Chamberlain doesn’t arrive in camp in better condition than he was last year, he’ll cut his chances of starting by 1/3rd.

  35. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    MTU, that completely defeats the purpose. The idea is to have Phil stretched out so he can make an immediate few spot starts. If a starter misses a few starts, there’s no way Phil can make those as by the time he gets stretched out, the pitcher will have returned. The only way at that point Phil should bother being stretched out is if the injury is serious and the injured pitcher is going to be out a long time.

  36. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Phil did not drop his curve Betsy. Not sure where you heard that. I’ll agree that he did use the heater more often simply because it’s such a dynamic pitch but the curve is still his put away pitch.

    Good point about winter ball though, that could have been valuable for him. He didn’t hit his innings limit last year. Maybe the Yankees saw him fatigued in the playoffs and decided not to chance it. This was the first year of the last 3 that he stayed healthy after all.

  37. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Betsy,

    How many times have you been right about these things? ;) Just enjoy the fact that we have two great “prospects” vying for the fifth spot. How many teams can say that?

    Have some confidence in your boy! Control is a wonderful thing, and Hughes has it. Things finally fell in place. As long as Phil is healthy, he’s going to pitch well.

    Hughes has another thing going for him. I thought I saw that the front office was split on Joba as a starter v. a reliever. That kind of thing has a way of tipping the scales.

    Don’t end the competition before it even starts!

  38. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Patrick
    January 13th, 2010 at 10:09 am
    GB7,

    Perhaps the Yankees believe that Carrasco offers little marginal return over a guy like Segovia while DJ would probably cost half a million while Segovia costs nothing.

    This is a depth move, nothing more.

    ————————————————————

    Segovia’s a bum. He’s never proved anything in the minors.

    His claim to fame is that his last name is the same as a city in Spain and the same name as Andres Segovia.

  39. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Betsy-

    I don’t want to argue with you.

    All I am saying is that I don’t only see PH as a potential spot starter.

    He may have a much bigger role to play as the season goes along.

    Also, as others have so ably pointed out there is no guarantee that PH wont beat JC out for the 5 spot.

    I know you feel he is a bit disadvantaged but Joba may not be as committed as he needs to be ?

    Cross the bridge when you come to it.

    :)

  40. NYsandman January 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    I still keep seeing only two options being discussed in the Chamberlain/Hughes debate, where as a third option should be added. Why not keep both as starters, a la Joe Maddon, and have each pitch half a game every time up. One starts, the other finishes. Could you imagine how devastating that might be for the rest of the league. I know people are concerned with the innings situations, but mix in playoffs and a few regular starts for each based on injuries, and I can easily see both pitchers getting close to 160 innings. This should keep them progressing towards a possible larger role once Pettitte leaves.

  41. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Frank, I don’t think Phil will “beat out” Joba because if he really wants to win, he can only use his FB and cutter, maybe his curve occasionally. I’m not saying he’s not as good as Joba, but he’s further behind developmentally. I will say that I wouldn’t be surprised if Phil comes into camp not only in as good or better shape than last year, but with an improved repertoire (because I assume he’s worked on things during the off-season). If that happens, then yes, he’s got a heck of a shot to be the #5 starter. One thing he’s got is incredible command and that will stay with him whether he’s in the rotation or the pen. In that regard, he’s got that over Joba.

  42. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Green Beret,

    160 is better than 100 which is what he would likely get as a full time reliever.

    He probably could get up to 175 if it’s done properly. ;)

  43. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    GB

    Yeah Segovia isn’t that great but he has ok stuff and he costs nothing. Carraso would cost 500k minimum. Considering that Cashman is telling teams he has 2 million to spend on a LF I’d rather he save that 500k.

  44. Matt January 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    The April schedule shows the Yankees with all Mondays off plus one Thursday.
    Depending on how many pitchers Girardi wants to take north, it would appear that both Gaudin and Mitre can’t be carried.
    It also would depend if 2 lefthanders in the bullpen will be taken north. Marte is probably a given and another would come from either Boone Logan, Royce Ring, or Wilkin De La Rosa.

  45. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    I doubt many, if any, teams end the season w/ the same 5 SP they began the season with. I think at some point both Phil and Joba will be given the chance to be starters. I leave it to the Yankees to best decide how to do that. They have held on to these guys for too long not to have a plan in place.
    Phil did use his curve on occasion coming out of the pen. He appeared tired at the end of the season, maybe that is why he didn’t pitch in winter ball.

  46. raymagnetic January 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “It’s no given that either of these kids (especially Joba) is going to be shut down.”

    I get it, you like Phil Hughes. We all get it since you constantly mention Hughes in nearly EVERY SINGLE POST. You worship the ground Hughes walks on we get that.

    But saying that you especially don’t know about Joba is ridiculous considering he’s been a better pitcher than Phil thus far in their careers.

    Stop sweating Phil Hughes so much, I mean really. Can a day goes by where you don’t voice your opinion of Phil going to the pen? If he goes to the pen and the Yankees win the series be happy.

    MAN ALIVE! :roll:

  47. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Kate-

    I agree with your take. ;)

  48. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    It will be interesting to see what the Yankee Brass decides on the Joba/Hughes loser. Right now, I don’t think any of us fans are in position to say exactly what they’re going to do, but both, Rich and SJ make good contrary points

    Pure speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be shocked if neither of them are in the rotation to start the season.

    I could see a scenario in which Joba moves to the pen; Hughes opens the year at AAA and the 5th starter spot goes to some combination of Gaudin, Marte, Nova depending on who has the best spring.

    Opening the season the Yankees probably won’t need a 5th starter anyway and by putting Hughes either at AAA or extended spring training, they keep him fresh, let him get regular work and monitor his innings so that when he comes up around Memorial Day he can pitch with no restrictions.

  49. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    MTU
    did you ever hear any info about Guisseppe Franco? I also miss his posts, and wondered how he was doing.

  50. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    sorry meant Mitre not Marte obviously.

  51. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    m
    January 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am
    Green Beret,

    160 is better than 100 which is what he would likely get as a full time reliever.

    He probably could get up to 175 if it’s done properly.

    ————————————————————

    I think that 175 innings in 2010 might stretch it some, but, with Gaudin being able to make a couple of spot starts and the times that he’d be skipped would put him on target. Again, I haven’t a clue as to who the #5 guy will be. I just want it to be the best choice, regardless of which one.

  52. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    One more pitcher I would like the Yankees to bring in on a minor league deal is Jose Arrendando – he’s going to miss all of this year with TJ (I believe) but before he got hurt he had electric stuff. I’m sure the Angels are going to work out some deal to keep him in the fold after they released him for roster purposes, but if not I think he’s a gamble worth taking.

  53. Patrick January 13th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    There’s no use worrying about the young pitchers. They have to pitch well to get a spot on the team. This isn’t 2008 where they get reserved slots in the rotation. If Joba pitches well he will stay in the rotation. If Phil is sent to the pen and pitches well again he will be in the rotation in 2011.

    It’s pointless to angst about this issue. The Yankees aren’t going to pigeonhole either guy into one role. They will put the best players in the most important spots. It’s all up to Hughes and Chamberlain to decide where they end up.

  54. austinmac January 13th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I cannot see the Joba/Hughes loser going to AAA. That pitcher will be very much needed in the 8th inning.

    I now know how most of the teams feel with a budget looking for bargain basement players instead of proven ones. I liked the other way better. I do believe the Yankees very much mean to and will stick to the budget. I see no way Damon comes back, even at a reduced rate. He is over budget. I think they are waiting to see if Nady can be had at such a pay scale and whether he can adequately throw. It seems to me if he can throw he will be over budget and if he cannot, what’s the point.

  55. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    M, right about what?

    I do have confidence in Phil – why else would I constantly be saying how I think he’s going to be a stud? I just think developmentally he’s behind Joba – that’s all. It has nothing to do with me thinking he’s not all that.

    Patrick, he rarely used his curve in the pen because it was so inconsistent for him. I saw him drop a few amazing hooks, like one against (was it Ryan?) Zimmerman of the Nationals…..but his curves got hit more than the FB did, so he didn’t use it as much. I agree his FB is dynamic and it was so even as a starter. I don’t care that his velocity will drop a tick – so he’ll throw 92-94 instead of 93-95 – because his command is so pitch-perfect (most of the time). He could literally put the ball where he wanted to……that was the best sign of all last year.

  56. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Here’s 1 plan for PH/JC (there could be others) :

    Let’s find out what JC has thru the 1st Half. If he is much improved he stays in the rotation until he is ineffective.

    If he becomes ineffective he is pulled and goes to the BP and PH gets his shot.

    If PH gets the job done he stays in the rotation for the remainder of the season.

    The yankees will want to be sure that JC cant handle the starter’s job before relegating him to the BP for good.

    This is JC’s last chance IMO. Phil doesn’t have that problem.

  57. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Patrick,

    Smokey “Smokescreen” Cashman just doing his thing.

    $2M=Gaudin
    $2M=Joba+Phil+Gardner+Cervelli

    They’re not going to stop filling out their minor league rosters because of the major league budget. And they’re not just signing guys to fill out the AAA roster. They’re looking at guys who can potentially fill in should the need arise.

    I know they’re concerned about luxury tax, but what they say and what they mean and what they do are all different things.

    “In Cash We Trust, but should we believe everything he says?”

  58. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Kate-

    Not a peep.

    It’s a concern.

    Hope he is OK.

  59. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Betsy,

    Just teasing you. You say Phil has no chance against a half-decent Joba.

    Just teasing. Wink-wink.

  60. NYYROC January 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Not sure how the competition for #5 will shake out, but sending one to AAA and calling him up later was done in 2009 by TB. David Price started at AAA, they limited his IP and then called him up to the TB rotation. There seem to be a lot of options as to what to do. One way or another these things work themselves out.

  61. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Betsy,

    You say you have confidence in Phil, but there is doubt and worry in every post you write!

  62. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “I could see a scenario in which Joba moves to the pen; Hughes opens the year at AAA and the 5th starter spot goes to some combination of Gaudin, Marte, Nova depending on who has the best spring.”

    I don’t see that happening at all without some kind of injury situation or complete failure by both Joba and Hughes in spring training.

  63. SJ44 January 13th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Patrick,

    exactly my feelings on the issue.

    These things tend to work themselves out.

    That’s why worrying about it is a waste of time.

  64. SJ44 January 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Tampa did that with Price to save an arbitration year. It was more a business than baseball decision.

  65. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    NYYROC
    January 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Not sure how the competition for #5 will shake out, but sending one to AAA and calling him up later was done in 2009 by TB. David Price started at AAA, they limited his IP and then called him up to the TB rotation. There seem to be a lot of options as to what to do. One way or another these things work themselves out.

    ————————————————————

    That wouldn’t have cut Price’s innings. Major or minor, they’re still innings. It had more to do with money and stalling his arbitration years.

  66. raymagnetic January 13th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    By the way, according to Fangraphs Hughes threw his curveball 20% of the time and threw his cutter 16% of the time last year. He threw his fastball 60% of the time. Sounds about right to me.

    Last year Sabathia threw his fastball 61% of the time, his slider 20% of the time and his change 18% of the time.

    So Phil Hughes and Sabathia each used mainly three pitches. Sabathia throwing a slider and Phil throwing his curve.

    Phil Hughes selection of pitches looks very right to me from that standpoint.

    Also guys with electric fastballs should be living off of them and not throwing other junk just to “work on their other pitches.”

  67. RayVT January 13th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    NYYROC
    January 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    TB held Price back because they wanted to keep him from being arbitration eligible sooner. It saved them money! It was not a player ability issue. Price is a great one.

  68. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    I don’t see that happening at all without some kind of injury situation or complete failure by both Joba and Hughes in spring training.

    Craw –

    After the way he pitched out of the pen in the playoffs I could see Cash and Girardi thinking that Joba should be the 8th inning guy. And if Hughes is the fifth starter they may want him to start the season in the minors where he can pitch three or four innings for the first part of the season so that when he comes back he won’t have any restrictions (ie, no Joba rules)

  69. RayVT January 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    SJ44
    January 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    SJ you are faster & wiser than me! LOL!

  70. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Plus, if the fifth starter is only going to pitch two times in the first month of the season then there’s no point in Hughes coming north with the team and having 10 days off between starts (as an example) when they could just use Gaudin or Mitre in that spot and then have them in the pen as a long reliever.

  71. Chip January 13th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    By the way – I don’t have the schedule in front of me so if I’m wrong about how often the Yankees will need a fifth starter I am sorry. I just seem to recall that most seasons open with a lot of off days and that the team generally just rolls four starters to keep the big guys on schedule for the first couple of series.

  72. MTU January 13th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Tempests in a teapot :

    5th starter

    LF

    Bench

    :)

  73. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    M, I explained why I don’t think Phil has a shot if Joba is half-decent: he’s developmentally a year behind. It has nothing to do with Phil’s ability whatsoever. Also, I don’t know how to put this without sounding annoyed, but I’m going to say it anyway (and I’m not annoyed). You’re interpreting my posts as showing no confidence and lots of worry, but that’s just an interpretation. I’m telling you as I write this that I am not worried whatsoever about Phil’s performance, nor do I doubt his ability. It is my opinion that Phil, because he’s behind Joba developmentally, is at a disadvantage. That’s all it is, an opinion, same as your opinion that he’s got an equal chance to win the 5 spot in the rotation.

  74. champ809 January 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Chip

    as much as the Yanks are high on Ivan Nova(with reason) there is absolutely no way in which he would leapfrog both Joba and Hughes on the depth chart and claim the 5th starter spot with Joba in the bp and Hughes in SWB. Nova has made a total of like 5 starts in AAA. Besides both Joba and Hughes are better and further along than Nova. If there was an injury and a starter needed to be called up he may get that nod over Zach McCal or Mitre depending on whose pitching better at that time but otherwise both Zach and Nova are better off getting their respective 160 innings in at AAA for the full season

  75. m January 13th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Betsy,

    So because Phil’s behind by a year, then the competition’s not a big deal. And not really a competition. It sounds like you’re saying that there is no competition (by saying Joba’s going to win by default). Maybe they said there was a competition just so Joba won’t be complacent? ;)

    And yes, I realized too late what you meant. Apologies for irritating you (though I’m not the only one who’s reading angst in your posts about Phil).

  76. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Chip, Joba pitched ok in the playoffs, he certainly didn’t pitch great.

  77. m January 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Betsy,

    I know you were trying to be polite with me. Thanks for that.

    I just want you to know that I’m not being passive-aggressive with you when I point out certain things.

    It’s just a bummer to read so many negative thoughts on a topic that doesn’t really warrant it all that much. So, I’ll try to remember that you’re mostly worried about Phil and his development. And on that note, I’ll end with this. No worries!

  78. austinmac January 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    M–I disagree that LF and and bench don’t matter. The best Yankee teams had a good bench. Injuries are inevitable, and right now our OF bench is a guy who couldn’t make the Dodgers 40 man roster. The IF bench is a guy who never hit in the minors. Our left fielder is a great question mark. The Yankees need to add at least one solid bench player who has the ability to play OF. Sounds like Hairston to me.

    GB7–With respect to Carrasco, MLBTR is reporting the Pirates are in active negotiations with him.

  79. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    “After the way he pitched out of the pen in the playoffs I could see Cash and Girardi thinking that Joba should be the 8th inning guy. And if Hughes is the fifth starter they may want him to start the season in the minors where he can pitch three or four innings for the first part of the season so that when he comes back he won’t have any restrictions (ie, no Joba rules)”

    Chip,

    What happened in the playoffs will have no bearing on what they decide come April 1st.

  80. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    M, you didn’t irritate me at all. The thing is, I can’t help how people interpret my posts – if they see angst or worry or doubt, that’s their thing.

    I think there’s a competition and it’s real (I don’t think this is just to show Joba that he’d better take his job seriously), but yes – I don’t see Phil winning the spot. I hope he does – we’ll have to wait and see.

  81. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    By the way, it’s in the Yankees best interest that Mitre isn’t wearing a Yankee uniform come April 1st.

  82. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    austinmac
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am
    M–I disagree that LF and and bench don’t matter. The best Yankee teams had a good bench. Injuries are inevitable, and right now our OF bench is a guy who couldn’t make the Dodgers 40 man roster. The IF bench is a guy who never hit in the minors. Our left fielder is a great question mark. The Yankees need to add at least one solid bench player who has the ability to play OF. Sounds like Hairston to me.

    GB7–With respect to Carrasco, MLBTR is reporting the Pirates are in active negotiations with him.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, Mac. Just read that. If they sign him, they’re getting good relief at a cheap price. Maybe NYYs can sign and trade Segovia to Pittsburgh for him.

  83. Matt January 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    The AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees should be well fortified with pitching when the need arises for help during the season.
    Few organizations can say the same.
    With good health, the Yankees may only need to see where they stand with position players at the 7/31 trading deadline, mainly bench strength.

  84. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    M, I agree – onward and upward to happier and productive topics (and I know you are not passive-aggressive – I hope I didn’t imply that).

    I can’t believe ST is only a month and a half away….boy, the off-season has flown

  85. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Crawdaddy
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:06 am
    By the way, it’s in the Yankees best interest that Mitre isn’t wearing a Yankee uniform come April 1st.

    ***********************
    I look at it as he couldn’t possibly be any worse than he was in ’09. ;)

  86. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I can’t believe ST is only a month and a half away….boy, the off-season has flown

    ***************************
    ST can’t come soon enough. I’m sick of winter!!

  87. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Erin, me too. It’s been a cold, snowy winter- blech.

  88. blake January 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Boy there aren’t a lot of happy campers here in Tennessee today.

  89. Bronx Jeers January 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    “I can’t believe ST is only a month and a half away…”

    Pitcher and Catchers report in 36 days.

    But who’s counting? :wink:

  90. Crawdaddy January 13th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    “M, you didn’t irritate me at all. The thing is, I can’t help how people interpret my posts – if they see angst or worry or doubt, that’s their thing.”

    Betsy,

    Not to be a jerk, but you’re the problem with your posts not us. You’re the one typing and conveying your thoughts to us. The sender not the receiver has most of the responsibility with ensuring their message is being properly interpreted in the communication process. If people are seeing worry and doubt in your words, it’s because they’re there especially when so many others are saying the same thing about your posts.

  91. rodg12 January 13th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    FWIW, from my calculations going through the April schedule, they can easily get by with the #5 starter making 2 or 3 starts in April (may as well call it 3 since May 1 would have to be a #5 start if only 2 in April). This keeps the 1-4 starters on at least 4 days rest between starts with some 5 day rest stretches sprinkled in for each. Also, it’s possible they could use less starts from the #5 if they decide to keep CC on regular rest the entire time, but I don’t see them doing that with the heavy workload he had last year…

  92. Wave Your Hat January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

  93. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Craw, I refuse to get into an argument with you, especially since it’s starting to get personal and I’ve had more than enough of that. I posted my thoughts about Phil and explained why I thought he couldn’t win the #5 spot. IMO, there was no angst or worry in them. The fact that other people think there are? Well, ok…I can’t help that. I communicated my thoughts in a clear manner and I’m not going to apologize for that. At this point, you want to lay the blame for this stuff on me? Go ahead….I’ve taken far worse.

  94. stuckey January 13th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    “By the way, according to Fangraphs Hughes threw his curveball 20% of the time and threw his cutter 16% of the time last year. He threw his fastball 60% of the time. Sounds about right to me.”

    Facts don’t sway opinion around these parts.

  95. blake January 13th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Hughes can will the 5th starter spot in the rotation and I think he will.

  96. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

    *********************
    :D

  97. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    rodg12
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:16 am
    FWIW, from my calculations going through the April schedule, they can easily get by with the #5 starter making 2 or 3 starts in April (may as well call it 3 since May 1 would have to be a #5 start if only 2 in April). This keeps the 1-4 starters on at least 4 days rest between starts with some 5 day rest stretches sprinkled in for each. Also, it’s possible they could use less starts from the #5 if they decide to keep CC on regular rest the entire time, but I don’t see them doing that with the heavy workload he had last year…

    ————————————————————

    Priorities, Rodg…..priorities. I’m trying to figure out what I’ll have for lunch and you’re talking about late April and May. I’m torn to crunchy peanut butter and blackberry jelly on toast and a steak, salad and baked potato. I can’t decide whether I’m too lazy or very hungry.

  98. m January 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    GB7,

    How did my suggestion to use your dictionary to prop up the kitchen nook work out?

  99. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    GreenBeret7
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Priorities, Rodg…..priorities. I’m trying to figure out what I’ll have for lunch and you’re talking about late April and May. I’m torn to crunchy peanut butter and blackberry jelly on toast and a steak, salad and baked potato. I can’t decide whether I’m too lazy or very hungry.

    **************************
    I’d go with the PB&J for lunch, and steak for supper. :)

  100. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    m
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am
    GB7,

    How did my suggestion to use your dictionary to prop up the kitchen nook work out?

    ————————————————————

    Not very well, Mel. I’m using the dictionary as a paper weight.

  101. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Erin
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am
    GreenBeret7
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Priorities, Rodg…..priorities. I’m trying to figure out what I’ll have for lunch and you’re talking about late April and May. I’m torn to crunchy peanut butter and blackberry jelly on toast and a steak, salad and baked potato. I can’t decide whether I’m too lazy or very hungry.

    **************************
    I’d go with the PB&J for lunch, and steak for supper.

    ————————————————————

    OK…I just need to remember not to put the PB&J on the steak.

  102. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    now you are making me hungry and it isn’t lunch time yet :)

  103. CountryClub January 13th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Just to throw my 2 cents in:

    I don’t think the Yanks took the last 2 years to stretch Joba out to just throw him back in the pen. He’ll get every chance to get the job done as a starter. He was pitching fine as a starter last year until he hit his previous innings max. This coincided with the Yanks messing with his schedule. So either or both could have hurt his perfomance.

    I also, agree with those that think Hughes should start the year in AAA (assuming he does lose out to Joba). I think he should pitch at least half the year down there to build innings and then he can join the Yanks pen after the all star break. I know he will dominate in AAA but I think him getting innings is the most important thing.

    This also allows him to come up during the first half of the year if any of the big club starters get DL’d.

  104. bru January 13th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

    ———————————————————-

    yes but its going to warm up & spring will be here in a bling of an eye

    it is already jan 14th tomorrow

  105. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    upstate kate
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:43 am
    now you are making me hungry and it isn’t lunch time yet

    ————————————————————

    Just don’t come begging for food here. I haven’t gotten to the grocery store since I’ve been home. Morgan’s going for me today and bringing the twins by so i can see them. I just can’t hold them, yet.

  106. stuckey January 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    I’m not sure I’m getting the folks who would rather see Hughes (or Chamberlain for that matter) stay “stretched” out at AAA where they aren’t contributing to the New York Yankees campaign to return to the post-season, in CASE OF a need of a spot starter?

    If Hughes is pitching 6-7 innings every week outta of the bullpen (largely when the Yankees are protecting a lead or in a tie or very close game late) that IS a spot start.

    Those innings are JUST as valuable (if not more so) than 6 or 7 innings he might get if called up for a start from AAA.

    And Hughes can’t ride the Scranton-Shuttle. It’s not like you can send him up and down again.

    So where is the logic in him pitching NO innings for the Yankees in preparation for innings he may never pitch?

    Further, what happens when the guy he’s starting for comes back in 10 days to a few weeks?

    You send him back down? He’d end up going back to the bullpen ANYWAY.

    So its entirely possible and probable the innings your preparing him for would wind up being significantly fewer in number that he could have been pitching for you all along.

    There is no logic to that at all.

  107. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Country Club,

    You nailed it.

  108. Wave Your Hat January 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “yes but its going to warm up & spring will be here in a bling of an eye

    it is already jan 14th tomorrow”

    Maybe in your world, but here in the comments to the Lohud Yankee blog we are reliving the same debate over and over…

  109. pat January 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Yankees Spring Training tickets go on sale Friday.

    Other teams ST tickets are already on sale now if you want to catch a ST game away from Steinbrenner Field.

  110. stuckey January 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “I think he should pitch at least half the year down there to build innings and then he can join the Yanks pen after the all star break. I know he will dominate in AAA but I think him getting innings is the most important thing.”

    I’d argue the Yankees being the best team they can be April-July is the most important thing.

    You’re making your team worse in 2010 in order to prepare a proven big league pitcher for 2011.

  111. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

    :lol:

  112. m January 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    stuckey,

    I just want Phil to work towards pitching a full season one day. Preferably with the Yankees. :)

    It’s not just about being on-call, it’s about building up innings in a way that makes sense. He can’t do that from the bullpen.

    The wildcard in all this is Joba’s shoulder. If it’s not going to get stronger, then maybe it makes sense to transition him to closing.

    Another thing is Phil has one option left.

  113. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Age old debates…

    Cano for Kemp?

    Yes or no?

  114. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Kemp! I was trying to remember who was grabbing a handful of Rihanna. Thanks for that, Bret.

    So, back to baseball. What does the bench look like now? Cervelli, Pena, and [Hoffman]?

  115. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Country Club, what happens if a starter goes down in the 2nd half? Phil won’t be able to replace him.

  116. pat January 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    GB

    Glad to hear you are home.

    A few years ago, my mom was medically radioactive and it was torture for her to stay away from the kids and dog.

    We kept telling her to remember that feeling because the day will come that you can’t wait for them to get the heck away from you and go home. :wink:

  117. miggs- GTLU Reigning Champion January 13th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Its like Groundhog Day on this blog once again.

    Same nonsense, different day. Awesome blog dominated and ruined by one idiot.

    Doesn’t this person have a job? If so, what job allows for incessant posting during work hours?

    I hope your boss starts tracking your internet usage and you get canned. I don’t see how you can possibly be “earning” any paycheck while typing long-winded posts every 10 minutes.

    Save the blog! I should start a petition.

  118. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    GB7
    that is great that you get to see the twins…do you get to see your dog as well?

  119. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Active Roster
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    91 Alfredo Aceves R/R 6-3 220 12/08/82
    63 Jonathan Albaladejo R/R 6-5 260 10/30/82
    64 Andrew Brackman R/R 6-10 240 12/04/85
    34 A.J. Burnett R/R 6-4 230 01/03/77
    62 Joba Chamberlain R/R 6-2 230 09/23/85
    68 Wilkin De La Rosa L/L 6-0 185 02/21/85
    70 Christian Garcia R/R 6-5 215 08/24/85
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    — Boone Logan R/L 6-5 215 08/13/84
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    — Hector Noesi R/R 6-2 175 01/26/87
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    30 David Robertson R/R 5-11 190 04/09/85
    52 CC Sabathia L/L 6-7 290 07/21/80
    — Romulo Sanchez R/R 6-5 260 04/28/84
    — Javier Vazquez R/R 6-2 210 07/25/76
    Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
    29 Francisco Cervelli R/R 6-1 210 03/06/86
    20 Jorge Posada S/R 6-2 215 08/17/71
    Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    24 Robinson Cano L/R 6-0 205 10/22/82
    — Reegie Corona S/R 5-11 160 11/07/86
    2 Derek Jeter R/R 6-3 195 06/26/74
    — Nick Johnson L/L 6-3 235 09/19/78
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    — Kevin Russo R/R 5-11 190 07/08/84
    25 Mark Teixeira S/R 6-3 220 04/11/80
    Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    11 Brett Gardner L/L 5-10 185 08/24/83
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  120. blake January 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Brett, I love Kemp but I say no because stud 2b are much harder to find than stud outfielders. Maybe I’m biased but I think cano has the talent to win an MVP.

  121. CountryClub January 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Stuckey, it’s a balancing act. You want to prepare Hughes for the future because it could help the Yanks in the future. At the same time, he will be in the pen at some point this year. So you sacrifice a small part of the present for hopeful future gains. Also, he didnt pitch close to 6 or 7 innings a week out of the pen last yr; I doubt he would this year either.

  122. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Age old debates…

    Cano for Kemp?

    Yes or no?

    **************************
    1,000 times NO!!!

  123. Alan January 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Age old debates…

    Cano for Kemp?

    Yes or no?

    ……………………

    And exactly who replaces Cano ?

  124. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    pat
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    GB

    Glad to hear you are home.

    A few years ago, my mom was medically radioactive and it was torture for her to stay away from the kids and dog.

    We kept telling her to remember that feeling because the day will come that you can’t wait for them to get the heck away from you and go home.

    ————————————————————

    pat, it’s always an advantage to spoil kids that aren’t yours. I told Morgan that it was my goal to make the twins as rotten as she was growing up.

  125. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    upstate kate
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    GB7
    that is great that you get to see the twins…do you get to see your dog as well?

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, Kate. Can’t wait to see the twins. Unfortunately, the dog will have to wait. Hopefully, by the end of February, I can get the kids and dog back here for a few hours, and maybe keep the dog home. He’ll go nuts without the twins to watch, though. Strangest thing I’ve ever seen. He’d be perfect if I could teach him to type and change diapers. I just can’t deal with that.

  126. CountryClub January 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Betsy,

    As I said to Stuckey, you have to balance it out. You have to weigh what’s best for the team & Hughes this yr and also in future years.

    I guess if things were going great in the pen and there was no need to bring Hughes up, I could see them keeping him in AAA. But he would get shut down in AAA before the end of the year anyway. or they would start limiting his innings per start. So I’d much rather have his arm in the pen for the stretch run. If Hughes can get to at least 140 innings this yr when you add up AAA, pen in majors and hopefully the playoffs, he’ll be ready to be the #5 starter in 2011. His cap would be around 175+ innings for 2011 and that’s plenty for a #5. Of course, there’s no guarantee that he’s going to be the #5 in 2011, but at least he’d be ready to fill the role.

  127. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    If Hughes starts in AAA then he will get a chance to pitch as an emergency starter in the first half, will be better prepared to assume a starter role in 2011 which saves the team money and allows them to let Vazquez walk (11.5 mil). AND Hughes would join the pen after the all-star break when things start to heat up. AND he and Joba would be in the pen for the postseason.

    So, those arguing that Hughes should pitch the entire year in the major league pen are basically being paranoid about 1/2 season of Rivera, Marte, Robertson, Melancon and Aceves – so paranoid that they are willing to shorthand the starting rotation for 1/2 year and put the Yankees in a worse position financially in 2011.

  128. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Alan
    And exactly who replaces Cano ?

    Orlando Hudson? :lol:

  129. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

    Can someone please tell me when the daily Brett Gardner debate starts?
    I don’t want to miss anything new, you see.

  130. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Speaking of booties. Did anyone here used to wear those low cut socks with the little pom-poms on the back?

  131. pat January 13th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    GB

    LOL. Grandparents prerogative. The first time my mom said “no” to one of my kids, they had that head tilted to the side confused look on their face like puppies get.

  132. Wave Your Hat January 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth-

    Well, we’ve had the Phil vs. Joba debate, we’ve had Betsy worrying that Phil won’t win the last starter’s spot, we’ve had miggs attacking Betsy and shortly we’ll have Betsy announcing that miggs doesn’t bother her.

    I think the Brett Gardner/left field debate starts in about an hour. I’m wondering whether if I take a different position this time around things will turn out differently.

    I doubt it.

  133. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    m
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Speaking of booties. Did anyone here used to wear those low cut socks with the little pom-poms on the back?

    Are they called peds?

  134. S.o.S. January 13th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Who poisoned the blog this morning? Do we have a troll that decided to start off the season a bit early?

    mel if your out there. Tough few days for you. Pats get hammered followed by your beloved Lakers(by my OLD SPURS).
    Bynum needs to be unloaded. He doesnt seem to be able to co exist with Gasol. The only time he shines is when Gasol is licking his wounds on the bench. My father wasnt in a good mood this morning. Wonder why?

  135. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I don’t know if they’re performance-enhancing, but I’m trying to see if those pom-pom sox are just a figment of my imagination. See, I’m as old as one of those pitchers listed above, and the mind is getting old.

  136. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    People are debating Phil vs Joba again?

    “OK, campers, rise and shine, and don’t forget your booties ’cause its cooold out there today.”

    Can someone please tell me when the daily Brett Gardner debate starts?
    I don’t want to miss anything new, you see.

    ******************
    You can go ahead and get it started. ;)

  137. pat January 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “Did anyone here used to wear those low cut socks with the little pom-poms on the back?”

    Of course. What else would I have worn with my Tretorns!

  138. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    m
    I remember them, but I am not going to admit to actually wearing them.

  139. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    SoS,

    Are you done gloating? :)

  140. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    m -

    I had pom-pom sox. 80′s maybe? 90′s? Anyway, I had ‘em. :?

  141. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    Uncle Ellsworth-

    Well, we’ve had the Phil vs. Joba debate, we’ve had Betsy worrying that Phil won’t win the last starter’s spot, we’ve had miggs attacking Betsy and shortly we’ll have Betsy announcing that miggs doesn’t bother her.

    I think the Brett Gardner/left field debate starts in about an hour. I’m wondering whether if I take a different position this time around things will turn out differently.

    I doubt it.

    TASTES GREAT!
    LESS FILLING!

    really is tiresome but what can you do? It’s a free blog.

    Anyone have spring training advice?
    I’m ok with tickets – unless you have some for Fri Mar. 5th
    Where to eat what to do how to get autographs?

  142. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    lol, to all the ladies in the house!

    Doreen,

    Try 70′s. :lol:

  143. S.o.S. January 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    we’ve had Betsy worrying that Phil won’t win the last starter’s spot, we’ve had miggs attacking Betsy and shortly we’ll have Betsy announcing that miggs doesn’t bother her.

    ======

    Should have read that before i posted. False alarm people. Its business as usual on this blog. Move along, theres nothing to see here that you havnt already witnessed.

    I must say i do enjoy those confrontations on a slow day.

  144. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 13th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    m -

    NO!!!

    Can’t be. 70′s?

    (Maybe I hung onto them for awhile???)

  145. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    pat
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    GB

    LOL. Grandparents prerogative. The first time my mom said “no” to one of my kids, they had that head tilted to the side confused look on their face like puppies get.

    ————————————————————

    I’ve seen that look before. It’s the old “Are you crazy? Don’t you know who you’re talking to? I’m your one and only.” look.

  146. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I remember my sister had them in the 80s

  147. upstate kate January 13th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Doreen
    Did you finish undecorating your house? I got my big tree done so my son could take care of it before he left for college…the rest is still waiting for me to get tired of it.

  148. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I think we have a new debate!

    Pom-pom socks. Height of popularity, 1970′s or 1980′s?

  149. S.o.S. January 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    He’d be perfect if I could teach him to type and change diapers. I just can’t deal with that.

    =========

    GB7,
    No, hed be perfect if he could type, change diapers, uses the dictionary and learn how to smoke so you can get a whiff of it. That about covers it.

  150. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    m -

    I vote 80′s. Maybe late, late 70′s into the 80′s – the exercise craze time. (Let’s Get Physical?)

    upstate kate -

    Yeah – I finished undecorating on Saturday, officially, when my husband brought the tree out to the curb and I vacuumed up the needles. But I had pretty much done the rest of it between Thursday and Friday.

    It’s always a little sad to see the glitter go… :lol:

  151. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Doreen,

    While you’re on, I wanted to tell you that we take down the tree on Christmas Day. New Years’ Eve is the big holiday here, and it’s out with the old in our culture. So out it goes!

  152. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    SOS, you won’t hear anything like that from me. If certain posters want to attack me, there’s nothing I can do about it, but they’re spitting in the wind because I’m ignoring them. I’ve no interest in participating in a feud – let it be a one-person feud if he insists on continuing it. Also, give me a break – if I want to respond to his attacks, I will. Try being on my end of things – it’s not pretty.

  153. Jeter's Edge - New Guys, we need registered names and an edit button! January 13th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Quick question i know somebody on here can answer?

    How much do Cracker Jacks cost at the New Stadium??

    Thanks!

  154. CountryClub January 13th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Hey, I’m all for having different discussions. The problem is there isn’t anything new to talk about. We’re in that awful period where the team is set and we have to wait for spring training to start.

    I’d much rather talk Hughes/Joba or Gardner/Damon than the steroids talk that dominated the blog the past 2 days.

  155. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Doreen,

    Definitely a crossover. The memory’s a little fuzzy for the 70′s, but by the late 80′s it was Flashdance leg warmers (not for me!).

  156. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I want to road trip down to ST this year. I have a nephew and my sister (Red Sox fan) is trying to convert her poor innocent defenseless son.

    He was born in 2008.

    I have a 2009 inaugural season ball that I want to try to get Jeter to sign.

    I want to give it to my nephew ‘Gage’ and hopefully get to him before it’s too late.

    I am – by far – his coolest uncle.

  157. S.o.S. January 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I’ve seen that look before. It’s the old “Are you crazy? Don’t you know who you’re talking to? I’m your one and only.” look.

    =======

    It sounds like some of you have some TALADEGA NIGHTS(the movie)type of kids. Need to send them to their grandparents so they can lay down the law. Break em down and build them back up.

  158. joe yankee January 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Hey, questions for either Chad or a fellow reader out there. When a player is a non-roster invitee, what does that actually mean for the player? In other words, does that player get any money for turning up at spring training? Are his expenses at least paid? Or are such players totally on their own dime in trying out for a team? I’ve always wondered about that. Do they pay travel and hotel and food, or does the team cover it? If a team likes what they see after, say, a couple of weeks, at what point, and how, do they assume some responsibility. And what happens to a non-roster invitee if he gets hurt? Is he on his own for medical treatment and related expenses or does that fall under a team’s insurance? Just a business end of the equation thing that’s intrigued me for a while, and this seems as good a forum as any to bring up the questions. Thanks.

  159. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    SOS, sorry, I thought that was you.
    Wave your hat, the same applies. Also, LOL, I am not worried, but whatever floats your boat.

  160. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Undecorating is good for your winter state of mind.
    Mid January is the cut off.

    m do they have a Christmas tree farms there? Are they shipped from the west coast?

  161. Bret the Hitman January 13th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    So what are my chances of inking Jeter’s sig for my baby nephew?

    How does spring training autographs work?

    Does anyone have an ‘in’?

  162. Erin January 13th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    New post

  163. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Here you go, you pom pom socks lovers.

    Enjoy fond rememberances of those, capri pants and your Daisy Dukes

    http://www.skooldays.com/categ.....fa1762.htm

  164. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 13th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    How much do Cracker Jacks cost at the New Stadium??

    7.50 ????
    I know peanuts are 5

  165. pat January 13th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Definitely 70′s for me.

  166. m January 13th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Uncle, maybe in upper Maui.

    But everything is brought in. This year, some of the containers had to be sent back because some critters came along for the ride.

    Thank goodness we bought ours before that, though.

    I think we spent $19 on a Douglas fir (better smell than the Noble).

  167. S.o.S. January 13th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Betsy,
    The one thing i can say about you is that you have some big cajonis. You go against the grain even though you know it might ruffle some feathers. Most people wouldnt have stones to make those statements. I have to admit, some of what youv said in the past, i have agreed to. I immediately responded in support(i think that would rate me as half the size cajonis). Some, i had to look the other way. Knowing whats about to come from it.

  168. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    He’d be perfect if I could teach him to type and change diapers. I just can’t deal with that.

    =========

    GB7,
    No, hed be perfect if he could type, change diapers, uses the dictionary and learn how to smoke so you can get a whiff of it. That about covers it.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, S.o.S. You’re a real pal. I hadn’t thought about a cigarette until you mentioned it. Now, I need one.

  169. GreenBeret7 January 13th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    It sounds like some of you have some TALADEGA NIGHTS(the movie)type of kids. Need to send them to their grandparents so they can lay down the law. Break em down and build them back up.

    ————————————————————

    One problem with that, S.o.S. I am the grandparent (or great grandparent).

  170. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 13th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    SOS, I’m not sure what you’re referring to other than my willingness to state an opinion which may not be popular? I actually can’t recall anything I’ve said that’s been controversial….

  171. joe yankee January 13th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Bret: My son and I have gone to spring training each year for the past five years, to the opening game at home and usually another game or two. Basically, you can stand around for hours and get nothing, or you can get loads of autographs. Some people get there at 8 in the morning and stand by the parking lot. Others stand by the fences at the practice fields. Others try to position themselves by the front rows of game field before or after games (you need to have first-level seats to go down before a game). It’s a total crapshoot who will sign and when. Most players will sign at the fences after batting practice or stretching. There’s another practice field in the back where you can catch pitchers on occasion. And there are more than a few diehards who race after a game to the mall nearby, where the players often head for dinner or to go shopping.

    Some players are more likely to sign than others. Jeter and A-Rod almost never sign at the practice field fence, but they will sometimes sign a few balls on the game field. Last year, Swisher and Tex were the best signers by far, and Burnett signed a bunch of balls, too. The Yankees have a lot of coaches who’ll sign, and Girardi usually signs for kids, and they also have guest instructors — like Yogi Berra and Graig Nettles and Goose Gossage and Reggie Jackson — who tend to sign a lot. Some players are nice and try to make a connection, others just scribble and run. Mo Rivera has a very cool signature, and it takes him time to sign, so when he does he usually devotes a half-hour or so to signing for as many people as possible.

    Anyway, back to Jeter, in our five years going we’ve never gotten him. We followed the Yanks to an away game one time and he handed my son a ball, which A-Rod then came up and signed, but of pretty much everybody on the team, Jeter is the hardest “get.” And it’s not that he’s unfriendly. He waves to the crowd and interacts, but he tends to go about his business and head inside the minute he’s done. So, if you can find an “in,” go for it — and let me know!

  172. pat January 13th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    SOS

    I think the word “no” is a complete sentence.

    My mother thought so too when we were kids but not now with the grandkids.

  173. stuckey January 13th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Some of you people aren’t thinking this through clearly.

    You’re proposing Phil Hughes pitch 3+ months in games that DON’T COUNT in 2010, so he can theoretically throw 30 or 40 more (or so) innings as a starter in 2011.

    How can the 30-40 MORE innings he MIGHT throw in 2011 (assuming he remains healthy and effective in the rotation all year) be MORE VALUABLE than the 30-50 innings he WON’T throw for the Yankees in April-July of 2010?

    I get the (flawed) internal logic of it – people want to see a uncapped Phil Hughes as a starter in 2011. But the trade-off isn’t logical.

    You don’t GAIN in the equation. You just DEFER.

  174. stuckey January 13th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “If Hughes can get to at least 140 innings this yr when you add up AAA, pen in majors and hopefully the playoffs, he’ll be ready to be the #5 starter in 2011. His cap would be around 175+ innings for 2011 and that’s plenty for a #5.”

    Hughes – if used in a 1996 Rivera type role, can get around 100 inning in 2010, definitely if you count the post-season (I believe Rivera had 1008 in ’96, regular season only).

    That means if he’s in the rotation in 2011, stays healthy ALL year and is effective, he can pitch maybe 120-130 innings (I’ll be conservative)

    In your scenario, you want him to spend the first half in AAA so he can pitch 175 innings in 2011… that’s 45-50 more innings.

    In other words, you’re having him pitch for Scranton in April-July instead of the Yankees to he can pitch 44 MORE innings in 2011, in a best case scenario.

    Again, that’s DEFERING, not ADDING or GAINING, because he won’t be pitching those 40+ innings for the Yankees in the first half of 2010.

    There is NO net gain for the YANKEES in 2010-2011.

    This is just simple math.

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    What they see is this right here:
    “Most recently, Segovia put up dominant numbers in the Dominican Winter League pitching for Leones del Escogido. In 12 games he went 2-0 with six saves and a 0.71 ERA. In 12.2 IP Segovia allowed 10 hits, 1ER with 8K, 2BB and held the opposition to a .217 batting average against.”

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