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A chance to get one back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Pittsburgh Pirates lately have been stockpiling former Yankees, but there’s a chance to get one of them back now that Steven Jackson has been designated for assignment.

Back in May, the Yankees designated Jackson to make room for Kevin Cash. The Pirates picked him up, and he had a 3.14 ERA with a .236 opponents batting average in 40 games out of the Pittsburgh bullpen. ERA, though, is a pretty unreliable way to judge relievers, and Jackson also had more walks (22) than strikeouts (21). He let six of 22 inherited runners score, but half of those came on a particularly bad day against the Dodgers (he otherwise stranded 16 of 19). Nothing flashy, but he was solid.

One thing Jackson has done well throughout his career is generate groundballs, and that would probably be the best reason to bring him back. I doubt the Yankees claim him – no specific reason for thinking that, just a hunch — but Jackson would be one of the better groundball pitchers on the staff (most of the pitchers with a better percentage pitched limted innings last year).

The list of Yankees groundball percentages from last season is a fairly random assortment. It seems to be proof that generating groundballs is never a perfect indicator of success.

Pitcher — 2009 GB%
Boone Logan — 63.9%
Mark Melancon — 62.0%
Sergio Mitre — 57.8%
Chien-Ming Wang — 53.3%
Jonathan Albaladejo — 52.6%
Mariano Rivera — 51.2%
Steven Jackson — 43.6%
Joba Chamberlain — 42.9%
Andy Pettitte — 42.9%
CC Sabathia — 42.9%
A.J. Burnett — 42.8%
Chad Gaudin — 42.0%
Javier Vazquez — 41.7%
Edwar Ramirez — 36.2%
Dave Robertson — 35.6%
Alfredo Aceves — 35.2%
Phil Hughes — 34.4%
Damaso Marte — 29.3%

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349 Responses to “A chance to get one back”

  1. monkeyface January 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Yeah… case in point Boone Logan… lot of those were ground balls up the middle and down the lines.

  2. Phil the Thrill January 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Pass on Stephen Jackson.

  3. Jeff Levy January 20th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Why not grab him. I think the Yankees should stockpile arms to fill out AAA with guys who could turn into major league contributors. You can never have enough bullpen arms.

  4. SCX January 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Is he the guy who was called up for like a month but never made an appearance? Seems decent enough, might as well bring him back. Can never have enough pitching.

  5. blake January 20th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t know how well he can pitch but he’s a pretty good running back.

  6. JohnC January 20th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Pass. Can we have Ross Ohlendorf instead?

  7. joe pesci January 20th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    I don’t know, maybe I’m a little bit bleeped up in the head, but why would the yankees want to pickup someone whom 1) they let go for kevin bleepin cash and 2)someone who couldn’t stick with the bleepin Pittsburgh Pirates – probably the second worst team in the bleepin national league

    we have our hands full with bleepy pitchers as it as with albaladejo and edwar …

  8. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    SCX
    January 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Is he the guy who was called up for like a month but never made an appearance?
    ******************
    Yeah, I think it was him. Poor guy. lol

  9. blake January 20th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Brynes was officially released today.. Non guaranteed ST invite?

  10. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    blake January 20th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t know how well he can pitch but he’s a pretty good running back.
    ——————————————
    And a decent basketball player.

  11. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Regis on Francesa. I don’t get Regis.

  12. Rich in NJ January 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Come on, Chad, you’re joking, right?

  13. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Talking about Ackerman. Mike says he’s a germophobe and carries his own silverware and doesn’t like a woman with a tatoo. and cries at “Rudy.”

  14. Rick January 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    This budget thing with the Yankees is crazy. Sign somebody to play left field. I like Brett Gardner but he is not an everyday player. And this AAAA kid they got in the rule 5 draft is a joke. This is crazy to let themselves exposed like this over a few million dollars.

  15. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Rick, don;t you think Cash is playing his cards right? maybe he wants to pick up Damon and another OF. teams aren’t exactly knocking doors down to get these guys. the longer he waits the cheaper they get.

  16. Chad Jennings January 20th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Yes, Jackson’s the guy who got a call-up but never actually got in a game. I think he got loose in the bullpen twice but never actually pitched.

    And as I wrote, I don’t really expect the Yankees to bring him back. There are certainly much worse options bouncing around baseball, but I mostly posted this because I think it’s interesting to look at those groundball percentages. It doesn’t always play out this way, but I think a guy who keeps the ball on the ground always has a chance.

  17. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    And as I wrote, I don’t really expect the Yankees to bring him back. There are certainly much worse options bouncing around baseball, but I mostly posted this because I think it’s interesting to look at those groundball percentages. It doesn’t always play out this way, but I think a guy who keeps the ball on the ground always has a chance.
    ———————————————————
    Wang, Stollemyer and Luis Arroyo were 3 good groundball pitchers.

  18. blake January 20th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    somebody who know, what is the payroll sitting at right now? I’ve heard different numbers from different places.

  19. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    stottlemeyer, being the dad,and arroyo was whitey ford’s saviour.

  20. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    mick
    January 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    Talking about Ackerman. Mike says he’s a germophobe and carries his own silverware and doesn’t like a woman with a tatoo. and cries at “Rudy.”

    ********************
    w/the germophobe thing, he sounds like a Seinfeld character. ;)

  21. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    195,000 or so.

  22. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    195m, sorry

  23. DB January 20th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    How oddly peculiar is it that Joba, CC, and Andy have exactly the same GB% and AJ is only off by 1/100th of a percent?

  24. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    195k is what the batboy makes.

  25. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    DB
    January 20th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    How oddly peculiar is it that Joba, CC, and Andy have exactly the same GB% and AJ is only off by 1/100th of a percent?

    ********************
    I noticed that too. It’s kind of cool! lol

  26. Rich in NJ January 20th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    That Damon’s price has already likely dropped significantly proves that Cash was right not to offer him arbitration, and that he can have him at an Abreu-like price if he wants. The remaining issue now probably isn’t about money. It’s whether or not each side would be comfortable with the potential status reduction that can occur when a player takes a huge paycut from his original team. Not every player is as adaptable as Andy Pettitte.

  27. austinmac January 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Pinstripebible.com did an analysis of Hoffman’s major league projections by Baseball Prospectus. They are ugly,to say the least: .235,.311 and .388. Projections are not reality, but reality is that this guy is a long-shot to be a reliable major league player. That why he wan’t given a roster spot by the Dodgers.

  28. blake January 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Some are saying its at 198M.

  29. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    w/the germophobe thing, he sounds like a Seinfeld character. ;)
    —————————————————————–
    not Newman, maybe Howie Mandel, who has made a living being one.

  30. blake January 20th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    I can’t see Damon rocking the clubhouse boat over his contract, but then I don’t know him personally. I think it would maybe be a little awkward at first but once the season started I doubt it would be much of an issue.

  31. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    What in hell is Damon waiting for? Doesn’t Borass tell him his price is going down as he waits? Are there other teams out there?

  32. Rich in NJ January 20th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “Pinstripebible.com did an analysis of Hoffman’s major league projections by Baseball Prospectus. They are ugly,to say the least: .235,.311 and .388. Projections are not reality, but reality is that this guy is a long-shot to be a reliable major league player. That why he wan’t given a roster spot by the Dodgers.”

    But he would probably only face LHP.

  33. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    maybe he wants incentives and options and cash is standing fast. you know he wants years.

  34. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    borass obviously has damon low on his priority list. does he really need him anymore?

  35. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Monk.

  36. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Monk.

    ********************
    good one….I forgot about Monk!

  37. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    uncle e thought you were in fla….was putty a germphobe for a few episodes?

  38. Alan January 20th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    If Damon keeps on believing in Scott Boras he might find himself playing for the Long Island Ducks in 2010.

  39. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    mick
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    was putty a germphobe for a few episodes?

    *********************
    he was. he wore a necklace with a germ symbol on it. Peggy from Elaine’s office was also a germophobe. I know my Seinfeld way too well. lol

  40. blake January 20th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    I’m not sure what Damon is waiting for..the longer he waits the less he’s going to get. His best bet is to call Cashman and say he wants to play for the Yankees and let’s work something out. The braves are waiting for a bargain and so are the Yankees if Damon doesn’t make the first move.

  41. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    peggy who lost her pinky toe, who heckled jerry and dated kramer?

  42. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    they are at a standstill jd prob wants the 2nd year, no deal.

  43. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    mick
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    peggy who lost her pinky toe, who heckled jerry and dated kramer?

    *******************
    no, that was Toby. Peggy was the one who thought Elaine’s name was Susie.

  44. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    F. Scott Fitzgerald notwithstanding, there are plenty of second acts in American lives.

    As for Ron Gardenhire, he might not actually know that the Yankees swept the Twins last season; do they keep those kind of stats in Minny?

  45. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    ah yes you got me, toby, peggy and peterman thought elaine was peggy, elaine rubs her tuchas on her doorknob he thought peggy died and kramers buddy was in the trunk with 2 broken hands

  46. Robbykid January 20th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Eric Byrnes a possibility for LF??

  47. Robbykid January 20th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Eric Byrnes a possibility for LF??

  48. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    kramer takes a shower with a salad

  49. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    erin looking up her seinfeld facts?

  50. blake January 20th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Brynes might be a good guy to give a ST invite to if he doesn’t sign with anybody but there’s a reason why the Dbacks are eating 11 M to get rid of him.

  51. CR9 January 20th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Monk is gone…. :(

  52. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    mick
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    erin looking up her seinfeld facts?

    *****************
    never!! I’m just that good. ;)

  53. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 20th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Good afternoon, guys. Out doing my bit for the economy this afternoon. :lol:

    SOS -

    I’ve been here since November of 2006. There’s quite a few people not here anymore. But SJ44, GB7, murphydog, they’ve been here quite awhile. So has mel (m). I think my husband has finally stopped waiting for me to stop participating here. :lol: Todd Drew was one of my favorite posters long ago, God rest his soul. Pete was more accessible at the time – shared more of his personal self. But unfortunately, with the great popularity of the blog, and the great variance in personalities (and the addition of some really mean-spirited people – and I don’t mean people who merely disagreed with him but who were downright nasty – who’ve come and gone), Pete’s blog persona changed a bit. Anyhoo, it’s been, for the most part, a nice place to come and chat about the Yankees and other things, and I’ve learned quite a bit in the 3-plus years.

    Sam – GREAT post on CMW last thread. I started crying. It’s a goodbye I didn’t want as a Yankees fan (and I know it’s not official official, but it’s pretty certain he won’t be back). He was dependable when no one else on the pitching staff was. You can argue all day about whether or not his effectiveness was in flux, but he was nails and every player interviewed spoke about the fact that when Wang was on the mound, they felt a win. I’ll always remember his fans counting ground ball outs in the same manner as those who usually count strikeouts. Good days.

    Randy l -

    It’s a nice dream to have that Wang rehabs elsewhere and makes his way back. I’m not setting myself up for that. I think the end will be the end, as far as the Yankees go. I agree with m, though, that people are too premature in thinking his career is done. If having people in your corner counts for anything, I think Wang will do at least well enough going forward.

    Nothing left to say about Damon. :lol:

  54. Tom B January 20th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    just what we need, a guy that was DFA’d by the pirates.

  55. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    CR9
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Monk is gone….

    *********************
    Yes, but Psych is back next week :D

  56. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 20th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Nick in SF -

    Good one! :lol:

    But in a sense, Gardenhire is correct. Lots of walk-offs against the Twins last year. They were mostly close games. However, the fact that the Yankees prevailed in ALL the close games does say something, doesn’t it?

  57. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I haven’t noticed anyone comment today on the story of Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry being inducted into the “Mets Hall of Fame” (I had to put that in quotes since it is virtually imaginary).

    Which I made me think of something-

    Do most people here consider those guys as Mets or Yankees?

  58. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    “pants on the ground, pants on the ground, why you walking round with your pants on the ground?”

    johnny? we hardly knew ye.

  59. rover January 20th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I don’t know if Damon is a need or not. I do think we are measurably better with than without. Damon is a guy who contributes regularly in some meaningful way in most of his games. He is a heady talented even in regressing ball player. If you can afford him yo get him. He is not likely to give you much more than 120 starts but that isn’t inconsequential based on his recent years. He understands how to win ball games and what he has to do to help do that.

  60. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Yes, many close games. Not sure how “You’re not the boss of me!!” helps now, but we’ll see.

    Regarding something said in the previous thread, I think Cashman has a pretty good idea of Damon’s market/value NOW, but in retrospect, 2 years at $7 million per was a pretty generous offer.

    I would say that both Cashman AND Boras misjudged Damon’s market. The difference is, it Cashman was closer in his original estimation and his mistake didn’t cost him anything; Borad seems to have cost his client a lot.

  61. Chris from NJ January 20th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I’m curious how the bullpen will turn out this season, it was awful last year until Hughes jumped in. The yankees need to stock their somewhat depleted AAA team with someone, have no issue if they bring Jackson back.

  62. mick January 20th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Regarding something said in the previous thread, I think Cashman has a pretty good idea of Damon’s market/value NOW, but in retrospect, 2 years at $7 million per was a pretty generous offer.
    ——————————————————-
    A similar thing happened to Andy last year. When that money dried up, they went to an incentive based deal. That could be part of the holdup.

  63. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Yes, mick, but Andy was negotiating for the same job the whole time. Cashman’s original offer to Damon was (I think) to be a LF/DH, or maybe even most-time-DH who could also play some LF. Anyway, that job is gone now.

  64. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    do the Yankees relize that Curtis Granderson is not a small ball kind of player.. he’s not a Damon type.. not a battler, doesn’t foul off pitches or grind out at bats.. to ask Granderson to replace Damon is just ridiculus.. I have seen Granderson strikeout so many times in 1-2 counts on high outside fastballs.. he just doesnt make enough contact..and doesn’t have smart at bats.. basically, we acquired another Cano.

    The Yankees need Damon and all the experience he brings as a table setter. I am extremely dissapointed.

  65. Ninja Burglar January 20th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Thanks Chad. I like hearing about the progress of ex-yankees. It helps keep things in perspective when evaluating talent that the organization lets go.

  66. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Back Johnny!!!!
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Do most people here consider those guys as Mets or Yankees?

    ********************
    I consider them both Mets.

  67. pat January 20th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Gardenhire was doing okay until he started talking about fighting.

    Now he has umpires considering issuing warnings in the off season. :sad:

  68. pat January 20th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Strawberry and Gooden are both Mets but the Yankees gave their careers a 2nd life.

  69. CR9 January 20th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “and the addition of some really mean-spirited people – and I don’t mean people who merely disagreed with him but who were downright nasty – who’ve come and gone”

    Pete was one of those mean-spirited people!

  70. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 20th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I consider Gooden and Strawberry to be Mets.

  71. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 20th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I also consider Clemens to be a Red Sox.

  72. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    do the Yankees relize that Curtis Granderson is not a small ball kind of player.. he’s not a Damon type.. not a battler, doesn’t foul off pitches or grind out at bats.. to ask Granderson to replace Damon is just ridiculus.. I have seen Granderson strikeout so many times in 1-2 counts on high outside fastballs.. he just doesnt make enough contact..and doesn’t have smart at bats.. basically, we acquired another Cano.

    Granderson average P/PA: 4.06
    Damon average P/PA: 3.89

    Confused here…

  73. CR9 January 20th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Clemens is a Red Sox… and cheated with them too.

    I consider Gooden a Met.

    I consider a Strawman a Yankee. Just watching that game the other day in which Straw jacked Armando Benitez, he is a Yankee. That’s when we used to defend ourselves against the bullies of the league.

  74. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    No he wasn’t.

    He got tired of your insane Anti-Boston rantings and fantasies under your previous name.

    Pete is a good guy who also got tired of nameless, faceless people posting garbage about him and decided to fight back against some of them.

    He not only started this thing, he worked his butt off to make it a great community.

    He probably also got tired of the nonsense some of the 12 year olds spewed on here (and in e-mails to him) when they realized the Yankees weren’t going to go 162-0 this year.

    One thing Pete did well was change up the blog with some music and personal reflections.

    As Sam and Chad get more comfortable on here, I would like for them to do the same thing.

    Its ok to talk about music, food, etc.

    There is only so much Johnny Damon and, “should we pick up every player who is DFA’ed by last place teams” one can talk about on the blog. Especially in the off-season.

  75. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    “Do most people here consider those guys as Mets or Yankees?”

    Both are Mets IMO.

    RE: Eric Byrnes for LF

    Uhh no thanks. I expect him to be about as good as Gardner in 2010 and possibly worse. It’s pointless to sign him.

  76. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Granderson average P/PA: 4.06
    Damon average P/PA: 3.89

    Confused here

    WRONG

    im not talking about pitchers per plate appearance.. going by that, Nick Swisher is a better player than Johnny Damon.. I AM TALKING ABOUT FOUL tough pitches off and grinding out at bats.. not just taking pitches.

  77. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Pretty sure p/pa counts foul balls too.

    I think Granderson would be better at grinding out at bats if he was whiter

  78. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Granderson doesn’t score highly enough on gritty-guttiness?

    Can we watch him play in pinstripes at all, or should we just write him off now?

  79. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    WRONG

    im not talking about pitchers per plate appearance.. going by that, Nick Swisher is a better player than Johnny Damon.. I AM TALKING ABOUT FOUL tough pitches off and grinding out at bats.. not just taking pitches.

    Their swing% is nearly identical. And yet Granderson ends up with more pitches than Damon. So Damon ‘grinds out’ his ABs, but in reality they shorter on average.

    OK.

  80. RalphieD (OPPC) January 20th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    “im not talking about pitchers per plate appearance.. going by that, Nick Swisher is a better player than Johnny Damon.. I AM TALKING ABOUT FOUL tough pitches off and grinding out at bats.. not just taking pitches.”

    bottom line is that granderson is younger, better defensively and a better overall player in general than damon is at this point in their respecitive careers. not to mention granderson has a ton of upside whereas damon is declining

  81. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    I think Granderson would be better at grinding out at bats if he was whiter

    I don’t know why everyone thinks Damon is gritty or gutty, he is practically a thai ladyboy.

  82. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    “Can we watch him play in pinstripes at all, or should we just write him off now?”

    write him off now.

    screw that guy i hate players that field well, hit for good power, hit doubles, triples, etc

    i want some grittiness, guts, intangibles, dirt dog, etc

  83. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    “I don’t know why everyone thinks Damon is gritty or gutty, he is practically a thai ladyboy.”

    the memory of long hair + beard = grits*20

  84. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    fine, when you people relize the HOLE left by Damon after 2 months.. and relize that he brought alot to this team that Granderson cannot fill.. DONT COME CRYING TO ME IN JUNE.. I WARNED YOU… this team is not making the playoffs without JOHNNY DAMON.. and I am not buying tickets until he’s back.. THEY ARE TREATING HIM LIKE DIRT.. acting like he did nothing last year.. HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM LAST YEAR and he deserves to be respected, not thrown in the trash.

  85. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    If you think about it-

    Strawberry won more world series rings with the Yankees than the Mets.

    Gooden pitched a no hitter in a Yankee uniform.

    However, they both got their names on the map with the Mets. I don’t think of either of them as Yankees, but you can make the argument they were better as Yankees. (It may not be a great argument, but it would have some merit)

    Note to LoHud- I am trying to expand my commenting past Johnny Damon. This should be encouraged. And yes, I am still at work :cry:

  86. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    the memory of long hair + beard = grits*20

    Point taken, I met this lady in Phuket that had quite the chin mane. She *was* gritty, I will concede that.

  87. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    DONT COME CRYING TO ME IN JUNE.. I WARNED YOU… this team is not making the playoffs without JOHNNY DAMON..

    I don’t even know who you are to come crying to you. Also I will bet you 100 dollars that the Yankees make the playoffs without Damon should they not bring them back.

    Also the yankees offered him 2/14 and he turned it down. Its more his fault.

  88. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Jerkface
    January 20th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    I don’t know why everyone thinks Damon is gritty or gutty, he is practically a thai ladyboy.

    ************

    Should we just fight now?? Just save me the effort and take back that statement. Otherwise its a LoHud arm wrestle!!!!

  89. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Nobody will come crying to you because we don’t care what you think.

    I love Johnny Damon as a player. Great player, really, really good guy.

    However, he and Scott overplayed their hand with the Yankees and the Yankees brought in a better player (Granderson), who is younger AND makes less money.

    Turning down 2/14 was dumb.

    Even dumber was them saying, “Don’t come back to us and expect us to take a massive paycut”.

    In this marketplace, that’s financial suicide.

    You do that if you have other offers on the table. They had none and now they are in big trouble.

    That’s not on the Yankees.

    They tried to do the right thing here, got rebuffed, and moved on.

    That’s the way it goes.

  90. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Should we just fight now?? Just save me the effort and take back that statement. Otherwise its a LoHud arm wrestle!!!!

    I actually love Damon, but I love comedy more. I won’t rescind the comment, but know that Damon can be my ladyboy anytime!

  91. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    I actually love Damon, but I love comedy more. I won’t rescind the comment, but know that Damon can be my ladyboy anytime!

    From funny to creepy in 60 seconds

  92. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    no respect for damon by yankee fans, it truly is pathetic

    some fans never got over the fact that he played for the red sox, they never accepted him.

    and all he did here was perform as expected.

  93. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Jerkface
    January 20th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    Should we just fight now?? Just save me the effort and take back that statement. Otherwise its a LoHud arm wrestle!!!!

    I actually love Damon, but I love comedy more. I won’t rescind the comment, but know that Damon can be my ladyboy anytime!

    *********

    Accepted. You have saved yourself the embarrassment of arm wrestling me

  94. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    So Johnny should just say Phuket and sign for pennies?

  95. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Its ok to talk about music, food, etc.

    There is only so much Johnny Damon and, “should we pick up every player who is DFA’ed by last place teams” one can talk about on the blog. Especially in the off-season.

    ========

    ITS NOT O.K. TO TALK ABOUT THE PATS THOUGH!!

    I do agree its a community and in these slow times we’ve been able to get by with some off subject talks like 80′s movies, music, parachute pants, best actors, 3 sports icons you would like to have dinner with, closet space etc.. The problem is, we’ve run out of ideas.

    Doreen,
    Just got back. I started posting in april of 07(i believ). Great place to learn from people that have the inside scoup and more knowledge. Never thought i lacked Yankees knowledge till i came in here. Its a humbling experience. From sj, to cb, to gb, to the master of calling people out in hmmm. Its a great place and i hope the classic posters dont abandon this as well as some great new ones.

  96. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    If you aren’t going to the games to protest Johnny not being here, can you make a deal not to also come back to the blog?

    A “two-fer” as Larry Lucchino would call it.

    As good a player as Johnny is, he isn’t the difference of whether or not the Yankees make the playoffs.

    If CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Joba, Marte and Mo stay healthy, they are a LOCK to make the playoffs if GB, Pat M, or Randy are playing LF.

  97. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    “However, he and Scott overplayed their hand with the Yankees and the Yankees brought in a better player (Granderson), who is younger AND makes less money.”

    Younger doesn’t mean better.
    how did signing giambi over tino work out? 8 years without a championship.

  98. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    For a time I was less than 3 degrees away from Johnny Damon. He regularly visited my friend’s brother’s baseball team, including buying them a ton of gear and helping them out in the offseason. He also loved to eat at the Sonny’s BBQ that my roommates brother in law managed and that guy got a ton of signed junk from Damon and he doesn’t even like baseball >:(

    Thats probably good enough to be an anonymous source for the NY Post I’d say

  99. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    and another thing, I dont like the fact that they traded Coke who was extremely reliable and did a great job.. and was one of the most dominant lefty middle relievers in baseball last year.. and a great guy, part of the family. I HATE that he’s gone.. now we’re going to depend on Marte who missed 5 months last season and is basically felix heredia part 2.. he should be the 2nd lefty, not the primary guy. Coke was as good as Stanton last year…. DISSAPOINTING.

  100. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

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    Cant believe that made it through the filters?! So i dont have to use @#&*&(^%$#$$^&@!$#@ anymore. Thanks Nick. I never thought anyone from No.Cal could teach me anything i didnt already know.

  101. whatever January 20th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    and dont even get me started on vazquez, when i see him i want to puke bc all i think of is 2004.. he failed here before, he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher.. IF YOUR GOING TO TAKE A CHANCE on an UNPROVEN COMMODITY, then throw the money at SHEETS.. who is way better.. not a guy who failed here before.

  102. RalphieD (OPPC) January 20th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    maybe “whatever” is also damons pretend boyfriend….erica i think you have some competition!

  103. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Wow way for internet blog star Nick in SF to steal my glory of posting Phuket first. I hope you’re happy

  104. Nick in SF January 20th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Thank you, Jerkface, and thanks to the Hollywood Foreign Press Association for this prestigious award!

  105. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Jerkface,
    Next time you need to put the r circle ala raymagnetic on it so no one bites it off you.

    Whatever? Are you talking about the 4.5 era that gave a steady dose of diet coke long balls? Im not a Marte fan but i havnt thought twice about Coke leaving the building. Next someones going to say we should have kept Nieves(greatest clubhouse guy in history) or Navarro(the one on Posadas heals). You have to give something to get something. A great trade hurts both teams. I think we got an absolute steal on both transactions.

    Damons skills are deminishing. Lost a step, worse in the outfield, batting avg. is dipping. If it wasnt for that freindly porch in right field. What would his numbers be? We filled our #2 spot and dh. Time to turn the page.

  106. murphydog January 20th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Nick in SF: “Thank you, Jerkface, and thanks to the Hollywood Foreign Press Association for this prestigious award!”

    He went on: “I haven’t had an orthodox career, and I’ve wanted more than anything to have your respect. The first time I didn’t feel it, but this time I feel it, and I can’t deny the fact that you like me, right now, you like me!”

    OK, it was really Sally Field.

  107. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    IF YOUR GOING TO TAKE A CHANCE on an UNPROVEN COMMODITY, then throw the money at SHEETS.. who is way better.. not a guy who failed here before.

    ========

    Did you mean throw away money? Didnt you puke for 4 years of Pavano? Sheets is great if baseball was a 3 month season. Vasquez was one of the top 5 starters in the n.l.. Strike out pitcher(which plays well at out park). All we needed is a DURABLE #4. I think he more than fits the bill.

  108. DB January 20th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Back Johnny!!!!
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    I haven’t noticed anyone comment today on the story of Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry being inducted into the “Mets Hall of Fame” (I had to put that in quotes since it is virtually imaginary).

    Which I made me think of something-

    Do most people here consider those guys as Mets or Yankees?

    I would consider them Mets, but I’d re-consider them to be New Yorkers. :)

    Both had great come backs in the Bronx but their stars were the brightest in Queens.

  109. lets go yankees January 20th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    The more you respond to “whatever” the more he is going to post, which I for one do not want to see.

  110. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    You guys realize that whatever is just a massive troll right?

    Phil Coke being one of the most dominant lefties in baseball? Ok.

  111. ArtieA January 20th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    I can’t believe I read something negative today in this blog about Pete.
    Has there been a more successful blog community than LOHUD on the Yanks. C’mon. The Yanks will be fine if most everyone stays reasonably healthy and plays to their career averages. We have a darn good team constructed here and fortunate that we don’t have the incredibly inept baseball management of the Mets to deal with. Thank goodness we don’t have to worry about Bengie Molina signing with the Giants!!!

  112. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Patrick,

    Its good to know though that Phil Coke was a dominant reliever last year.

    I missed that. Must have been asleep.

    I for one believe there should be year round elementary school for kids. It would leave less blogging/whining time for them.

  113. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Didnt smell it fellas. My bad.

  114. Patrick January 20th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    SJ44,

    What are the Yankees going to do without Eric Hinske aka one of the most dominant left-handed hitters in the league? He was one of the family! Don’t come crying to me in june when you realize the missing piece is Eric Hinske!

  115. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    SJ44
    January 20th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    If you aren’t going to the games to protest Johnny not being here, can you make a deal not to also come back to the blog?

    A “two-fer” as Larry Lucchino would call it.

    As good a player as Johnny is, he isn’t the difference of whether or not the Yankees make the playoffs.

    If CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Joba, Marte and Mo stay healthy, they are a LOCK to make the playoffs if GB, Pat M, or Randy are playing LF.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t believe NYYs can win with Randy in left field. He was only a bullpen catcher. Not only that, but, only sissies sell bird seed to people as food. And, his golf game is pathetic.

    Pat M does have the new hips/knees/elbows, so he should be a difference maker. Me? Well, that goes without saying, of course.

  116. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Patrick,

    Don’t forget Jose Molina! How will poor AJ Burnett cope?

    I predict Cashman will make massive trades after the Yankees lose their first game of the year to put the “family” back together and sooth the sensitive feelings of the panicked fan base.

    Hal will throw away the budget and bring Hinske back at all costs!!

  117. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    GB,

    Only problem with Pat M is, he can only play home games.

    He won’t be able to get by TSA with all that new titanium in him!

  118. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Doreen – Ain’t it Just “Grand”?
    January 20th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Sam – GREAT post on CMW last thread. I started crying. It’s a goodbye I didn’t want as a Yankees fan (and I know it’s not official official, but it’s pretty certain he won’t be back). He was dependable when no one else on the pitching staff was. You can argue all day about whether or not his effectiveness was in flux, but he was nails and every player interviewed spoke about the fact that when Wang was on the mound, they felt a win.

    ***I’ll always remember his fans counting ground ball outs in the same manner as those who usually count strikeouts.***

    ————————————————————

    I always figured they’d hang pictures on the walls for his groundout (like pictures of Bullwinkle for Mussina).

    Fangless rattlesnakes slithering in the grass.

  119. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Patrick
    January 20th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    SJ44,

    What are the Yankees going to do without Eric Hinske aka one of the most dominant left-handed hitters in the league? He was one of the family! Don’t come crying to me in june when you realize the missing piece is Eric Hinske!

    ************

    You joke, but in the last 3 years Hinske has been on 3 World Series teams and won twice. What if he is all the magic???

  120. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 20th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Gooden & Straw had some great turns as Yankees, but I was a Mets fan way back in the olden days, and I saw them both come up as rookies. They were incredible. They lit up that franchise – gave it a ton of excitement. Sure, Hernandez and Carter didn’t hurt, but as you all know, there’s nothing like a homegrown superstar to get you really excited about your team. And these boys were superstars.

    Too much too soon. :(

  121. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    SJ44
    January 20th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    GB,

    Only problem with Pat M is, he can only play home games.

    He won’t be able to get by TSA with all that new titanium in him!

    ————————————————————

    I suppose we could pack him up and ship him in the cargo hold with the bats, balls and new jock straps and cups.

  122. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Of course, I might light up the docemeters and geiger counters like a dirty bomb.

  123. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 20th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  124. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    ***dosemeters*** and geiger counters

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    Did everyonr forget who started centerfield for the first few months.

    I think we need to focus on role players to fill the spots on the bench. I like the youth movement but a little experience helps.

    As for Javy, it is not 2004 anymore and his slotted at number 4 in the rotation. He would be a number 2 on 90% of most teams.

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