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An unfinished story

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The thing that will always strike me about Chien-Ming Wang’s time with the Yankees was how quickly the tenor of it changed. For the better part of two years, the debate was over whether or not Wang was a “true ace” – a debate I always found sort of silly since it seemed like such arbitrary semantics. Wang won 19 games in back-to-back years and was the team’s best pitcher (often by far); call him whatever you want, but his importance didn’t change.

I always liked Wang – he was incredibly soft-spoken, but had a good sense of humor and better English than he let on. His teammates teased him like anyone else, and he enjoyed it – Derek Jeter would often walk into the clubhouse and call out, even from across the room, “What up Waaaaaaang?” just to see him laugh. Although I never felt like he was going to be an all-time legend, I really believed that Wang had the stuff (and the make-up) to be a legitimate stud for years to come.

That’s what made his downfall so stark. Greg did a nice job this morning breaking down the statistical trends that corresponded to his struggles, and the truth is that his injuries clearly affected some element of his delivery. I remember a scout once telling me that guys like Wang – pitchers who weren’t overpowering and couldn’t rely on velocity – had to be even finer with their mechanics or else their sinker would sit up in the zone and get hammered. I think we all saw at the start of 2009 just how that looked.

I know that Wang was a player who inspired a variety of reactions from Yankees fans. No doubt, it was hard to get past some of his struggles in big spots, especially the limited postseason opportunities he had. But to me, I’ll always think of Wang as the star who never fully formed. The injury in Houston was freakish and unexpected, and I’m glad to see that Wang is trying to make a comeback.

Will he revive his career and return to form? Maybe, maybe not. If he doesn’t, though, it’ll be hard not to wonder what might have been.

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437 Responses to “An unfinished story”

  1. jay destro January 20th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    wang dang doodle, his arm has become a noodle.

  2. Tint January 20th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    i teared up a bit while reading this ;(

  3. lordbyron January 20th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Nice post Sam – Wang seems to be a class act and I hope he
    finds success wherever he ends up.

  4. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Derek Jeter would often walk into the clubhouse and call out, even from across the room, “What up Waaaaaaang?”

    *******************************
    Love it. :D

  5. bru January 20th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    dump mitre & sign wang ????

  6. SJ44 January 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Why would they do that bru?

    Mitre is ready to pitch right now. Nobody knows when Wang will be able to pitch. Probably closer to mid-season, if at all.

    Plus, its probably not in Wang’s interest to come back to the Yankees.

    He’s not coming back to NY. That ship has sailed.

  7. blake January 20th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Wang should sign with the Cards.

  8. m January 20th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    The story of Chien Ming Wang can’t be told until we see what he’s like when he’s healthy.

    How do we know it’s not a dip? How can we ever know what would’ve happened without he foot injury and second shoulder surgery.

    That’s why I think it’s impossible to explain what happened to Wang’s career when injuries derailed him in the last two years.

    Other pitchers have had a rough time getting back on track when coming back to soon or not in the proper fashion. Why Wang must be singled out because he’s a sinkerball pitcher is not looking at all the facts. The main one being that he hasn’t pitched well of late mostly due to the fact that he’s been injured.

    To put it more bluntly, how can anyone think that Wang’s not capable of regaining his form or evolving into a different pitcher altogehter?

    The way people talk, they think his career is dead. It’s not dead yet.

  9. nettles January 20th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    It’s the downside of baseball, watching a player – one with so much promise and, by all accounts, is a great human being – not live up to the promise. Here’s hoping for a fresh start and success elsewhere, CMW! (Just don’t beat us, OK?)

  10. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    If i was Wang, i wouldnt sign with an n.l. team unless they gaurantee him a pinch runner anytime he gets on base.

  11. bru January 20th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    http://mlb.com/news/article.js.....id=7941714

    video of ben sheets working out in front of teams

  12. ANSKY January 20th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Given how well he could pitch when healthy (not to be confused with how Pavano’s ability was often discussed) I’d be happy if the Wanger were given an opportunity to be a comeback player of the year candidate … in pinstripes.

    Sure, some fair deal would have to be worked out. There are risks. With Pettitte and now Vazquez in the rotation, and Joba & Phil on the way (to somewhere in Da Bronx), there isn’t much room for Wang either. But with 4 reasonably secure rotation spots it’s safer to take a risk on one of the good available arms recovering from injuries.

    You never know … Burnett’s been healthy for 2 solid years now, but given his long term medical history it’s always going to be a concern. Pettitte’s always got thst elbow and CC’s got a TON of innings over the past several years. Luckily CC’s a horse who can handle it, but you never really know. A good extra arm who’s been there could always become a necessity.

    Wang? Sheets? Of course, Wang’s very well liked here. But it’s impossible to look into a crystal ball and know which is the better risk to take. Still, with the rotation looking pretty good now, I think you take a ‘low base salary with incentives’ risk one of them.

  13. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 20th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I appreciate Wang’s performance as a front line Yankee starter. That said, you could see it in 2008 – the sinker started to tail rather than sink, velocity down an average of 2 – 3 mph. From there, bad luck took over. With velocity in the low 90’s and average secondary pitches Wang projects to poor man’s Derek Lowe (best case).

  14. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 20th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    While Ben Sheets looked pretty good, he can’t be serious about wanting 10 MM + incentives can he?

  15. bru January 20th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    SJ44

    because i don’t think mitre is any good at all

    i don’t see him helping us much either

    we have ace,gaudin & joba/hughes in addition too a few minor leaguers that can fill mitre’s spot

    now if wang can’t pitch til mid season i might agree but if he is ready in may/june i’ll stick too my opinion

    long story short

    i don’t think we get hurt at all without mitre

  16. Pat M. January 20th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    SJ, I just read your piece on your take regarding Johnny Damon….It was very clear then ( Novemeber ) and even clearer now that nobody was buying into Boras’s b.s. about Damon’s genes and Scott’s Derek Jeter spin……Tellum was smart to take the Angels offer for 6.5 million for Hideki Matsui’s services for the 2010 season…….With so many options available for Cashman he’ll just wait it out as player values continue to fall……I’m still concerned about a right hand hitting of option off the bench……..Tony must be counting the days until he reports to the big camp for the first time….I remember being excited and nervous at the sametime….Can’t imagine what it would be like being he’s the Club’s # 1 Bonus Baby……He’ll adapt quickly and be fine after the first day of workouts……You and the Family did a wonderful job with him…..Be proud

  17. randy l. January 20th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    if wang does go to a team like the cardinals and do well, the yankees will get a second shot at him as a free agent.

    he does fit in well with the other players. he’s a yankee.

    pettitte left here when he and the yankees differed on his value.

    once he proved it , he came back and helped win a world series.

    could happen with wang.

  18. Frank January 20th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    “While Ben Sheets looked pretty good, he can’t be serious about wanting 10 MM + incentives can he?”

    He can be serious about wanting it. Sadly, for him, I doubt too many teams will be serious about paying it.

    Wonder whether he could even get a lower base (say $4M-$5M) with incentives that could get him to $10M?

  19. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I was wondering the other day who has been at this blog the longest? I myself have been here for 3 years. Can anyone think of who was here when you first started reading this blog?

  20. DT - OPPC member January 20th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Wang may never be the same.

    Where is GB? He can give everyone a Dizzy Dean history lesson.
    I need to get back to work.

  21. LathamJoe January 20th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    As with many one-pitch pitchers, Wang’s future is likely in the Bullpen, perhaps as a long man or even as a setup man. If he can regain is arm strength and somehow learn to consistently repeat his mechanics, that sinker can be devastating.
    He’s a likeable personalityh and I’m pulling for him to make a comeback…somehwere,anywhere.

  22. bru January 20th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    mitre’s numbers are absolutely terrible every year

    most in the nl

    i just don’t see them getting better at almost 30 yrs old

    career 5.56 era
    1.56 whip
    .302 BAA

    i don’t think that is too hard too replace

    if it was between wang or gaudin i take gaudin but mitre stinks

  23. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    m
    January 20th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    The story of Chien Ming Wang can’t be told until we see what he’s like when he’s healthy.

    How do we know it’s not a dip? How can we ever know what would’ve happened without he foot injury and second shoulder surgery.

    That’s why I think it’s impossible to explain what happened to Wang’s career when injuries derailed him in the last two years.

    ————————————————————

    Wang has always been a second half pitcher. April. May and June would get progressively better and would peak in July, before settling back, but, his 2nd half numbers were always better. Strike Outs to walks were better, strikeout rate and WHIP were better ERA and runs allowed were much better. That sounds a lot like Pettitte’s tendencies.

    Scroll down to 1st and 2nd half numbers and Month by Month. Unfortunately, he hasn’t had 2nd halves the last to years, but, the percentages bare this out. Even last year he was improving month by month.

  24. m January 20th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    I think Pete was here the longest. Or at least the first one here.

  25. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Sorry, Mel. Here’s the site.

    http://www.baseball-reference......r&t=p

  26. m January 20th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for that, but numbers on a page don’t mean much to me. Words are more important. Even when they’re mangled. :P

  27. randy l. January 20th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    the yankees are not the best team for a pitcher trying to rehabilitate himself back to his former self.

    any sign of progress at triple a and if a starter goes down , he’ll likely be called up.
    probably before he should be.

    young pitchers have the same problem. there is such an urgency to win that slow steady development often sacrificed.

    so i’m fine with wang moving on. his rehab and the yankees need to win are just not a good match.

    too bad the yankees couldn’t pick the mlb team they wanted wang to rehabilitate himself.

  28. G. Love January 20th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    You can put me in the camp of fans that were livid with Wang for how he performed in the 2007 ALDS against the Indians.

    I got angry with him because he was our #1 guy. He was supposed to be the difference maker and he went out 2 times in a five game series and pitched like he did at the start of last season.

    It was tough because there was a lot on the line as a Yankee fan back then. You had a feeling Torre’s job depended on them advancing and you also knew you would have had a chance to avenge the loss to the Red Sox in the ALCS against them in the next round.

    I thought we had the team to take them down in the ALCS. We had Andy back. We had Joba setting up Mo shortening the games to 6 innings and the league whiffing on Joba’s slider.

    So Wang’s performance was magnified and it stung to fans like myself who thought he was our best starter and watched him turn into a batting practice pitcher when the lights got bright that post season.

    That said, he did a good job here and was a good Yankee. He wasn’t a jerk and you can tell he cared about winning.

    However, I’m not stung at all by his departure. I’ll miss guys like Matsui, Damon and believe it or not Melky way more than Wang.

  29. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Pat M,
    Hows the weather their? My business was flooded yesterday. I had to leave early and walk in water up to my shins. Heard of the tornado in the beach area. Tornado in Cali? I cant remember that ever happening.

  30. Dave in VA January 20th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    I’m of the opinion that Wang won’t be truly ready to pitch in games until midseason, at which point he’ll probably need more than the usual rehab assignment. If one looks at it that way, there may not be too many teams willing to sign Wang to the 40-man. (Your Mileage May Vary.)

    If it gets to the point where Wang is willing to take a minor league deal, I’d strongly encourage the Yankees to sign him to one, and let him spend this year building himself back up, and working on getting his mechanics back on that sinker. Then he’ll be in better position to negotiate a major league deal for 2011 and beyond.

  31. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    m
    January 20th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    GB7,

    Thanks for that, but numbers on a page don’t mean much to me. Words are more important. Even when they’re mangled.

    ————————————————————

    That’s right up my alley. Nobody mangles words better than me.

  32. vin January 20th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Meh, Mitre is fine for his role on the team… the 9th or 10th starter. Problem is he’s out of options, and I believe he’ll either open the season the 25 man roster or get put on waivers.

    If he pitches well enough in ST, then he can get stashed away as the last pitcher off the bench. I’d rather a guy like Mitre be in that position than a young guy who could use more playing time (Melancon, Sanchez, etc.).

    The last two seasons, the Yanks didn’t carry a long-man out of ST and got burned because of it. In ’08, Hughes and Kennedy’s struggles put a strain on the bullpen, and last year the CMW experience killed the pen. Even CC wasn’t giving great length early in the season.

    I think pitchers are more likely to eat innings and pitch effectively after the first month of the season… that’s where a guy like Mitre comes in.

    I’d much rather have Gaudin (who can also pitch in short stints against righties) and Mitre available in case of emergency than Albaladejo and Edwar.

  33. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I think Pete was here the longest. Or at least the first one here.

    ========

    1b?

  34. randy l. January 20th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    “Hows the weather their? My business was flooded yesterday. I had to leave early and walk in water up to my shins.”

    pat m and sos-

    i remember one january in manhattan beach while i was at el camino college when it rained hard every day for a month.

    people back east don’t realize that sunny so. california is a summer thing.

  35. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    So Wang got hit hard in the 2007 post season. I can list pitchers that were historically better than him that got hit hard in two post season games. Whitey Ford, Andy Pettitte, Don Newcome, Denny McLain, Warren Spahn, Jake Peavey to name a few. Two pitchers and two hitters did much of anything for NYYs.

  36. Patrick from CT January 20th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Don’t worry bru, Mitre is not making the team. He will be traded or DFA at the end of ST if the guys ahead of him are all healthy…
    Wang will have a better shot making it back playing for another team. Good Luck to the Wanger…

  37. m January 20th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    SoS,

    Are you serious? I think I recall Doreen being here in the early days.

    When I came around, randy l, SJ, raymagnetic were all here.

  38. randy l. January 20th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    “That’s right up my alley. Nobody mangles words better than me.”

    gb7-

    i’d pay money to watch you in an elementary school spelling bee .

  39. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    randy,
    I have never seen it rain here for a month. Was that before or after GLOBAL WARMING?

    People think so. cal people are spoiled with the weather and whine about it being 50 degrees. I look at it totally different. I think we get colder in so. cal due to never being ready for the weather. It will be sunny and warm one day then it turns on a dime the next. While we’re still in t shirts and shorts. Id just like to say that we suffer from the cold weather here as well.

  40. Pat M. January 20th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    S.o.S….Weather has been brutal, and yes a water spout ( aqua tornado ) zipped through Hungton Beach, Costa Mesa, and Newport Beach……The biggest of this weeks storms is approaching…..Heavy winds, temps in the 50′s…..January and February is the rainy season, however we’ve been only getting about 8 / 9 inches a year..We’ll have more than that by weeks end…..8-10 feet of snow in the local mountains, great sking this weekend

  41. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    mel,
    Yes i was serious. I remember reading hmmm, whozat, cb and sj. Months before i started posting. I was wondering who the senority person or group was.
    Also remember learning how to blockquote from a girl called mel. That was the only day we had class here on how to send a post. Sunny was running it.

  42. Pat M. January 20th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Doreen & Lantham Joe have tenure here at the LoHud

  43. Jace123 January 20th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Gardenhire believes gap between Twins and Yankees is closing

    http://www.winonadailynews.com.....03286.html

    Some would suggest that the Yankees “own” the Twins, but the manager doesn’t buy into that.

    “They don’t own me,” Gardenhire said. “Every game that we’ve played against them has just been nip-and-tuck.”

    We’ve had our chances,” Gardenhire said. “We could have beat them as is, but next year we’re not taking any more off them. And if it takes fighting them, we’re fighting them.”

  44. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    randy l.
    January 20th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    “That’s right up my alley. Nobody mangles words better than me.”

    gb7-

    i’d pay money to watch you in an elementary school spelling bee .

    ————————————————————

    I’d knock the snot out of those little p–kerwoods.

  45. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Pat M.,
    I guess there is no difference in weather between the rich areas of socal and the not so rich area im in. Im going to have to get sand bags today. Never thought i would ever say that.

  46. Pat M. January 20th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    S.O.S….I too have sand bags around my garage door and my patio doors……I had white caps in my pool yesterday

  47. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    gb7-

    i’d pay money to watch you in an elementary school spelling bee .

    =======

    That would be a dissaster. It would mess gb’s psyshy. Why not have myself challenge gb and have it on pay per view? It would be close as long as GB cant use his new dictionary.
    BTW, NO REFUNDS IF IT ENDS QUICKLY WITH A TIE(not getting any right even with the defenition and place of origin).

  48. mick January 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “They don’t own me,” Gardenhire said. “Every game that we’ve played against them has just been nip-and-tuck.”
    =======================================
    Nip and tuck….that’s a funny way of saying we have sliced and diced them in the reg. and post-season…unlike the Yanks exorcising the demons of the RS and Angels, the Twins still have a long way to go with us…

  49. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    psyshy

    =====

    As you can see, it would be entertaining to say the least. That looks like sissy. I would never call you that GB. I meant the word Psycho, taking out the o and adding a y(i think).

  50. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 20th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    psyshy

    =====

    As you can see, it would be entertaining to say the least. That looks like sissy. I would never call you that GB. I meant the word Psycho, taking out the o and adding a y(i think).

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. It’s contagious, isn’t it?

  51. pat January 20th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Is Neil Allen still in the Tampa organization?

    If he has the keys to unlock Wang’s magic, it would be logical that one of the 16 teams that have shown interest in Wang would be Tampa.

  52. S.o.S. January 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    LMAO. It’s contagious, isn’t it?

    =======

    Im not so sure. If it is, who gave it to who and why havnt the rest of the bloggers caught it? Hmmm I wonder if the rest of the bloggers here took pre-blogging shots before joining us. Sign me up.

  53. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Gardenhire could say what he wants. His team lost every single game against the Yankees all season, both home and away. If anything, the Yankees have gotten BETTER. They’re at least the same. The Twins have not changed. I wouldn’t even be shocked if they missed the playoffs next year.

  54. mick January 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    In all fairness the Twins were missing Morneau in the playoffs. How they won the division is beyond me, without him. They play a great fundamental game.

  55. DaSaint007 January 20th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Pavano just got $7+ million.
    Gaudin just settled on $2.9 million.
    Mitre has a MLB contract.
    Wang is a former 19-game winner. Twice.

    Should he return to form, he’ll be a better than average pitcher. His problem, IMO, is not really his numbers, depending on your perspective, but his value. Face it, he’s already had a $5 million contract in 2008. Had he not have been injured, he would have probably been valued at over $10 million/year, and frankly I’m not sure the Yankees could afford that with CC, AJ, and Andy already on the books. Of course, maybe they wouldn’t have traded for Vazquez, or maybe would have traded the Wanger instead. Who knows.

    But certainly, one of the reasons the Yankees will give Hughes and Chamberlain every chance to succeed as starters is that they are under team control for pennies on the dollar for the forseeable future.

    That said, would I love to see Wang remain in the organization? Sure. But I just won’t hold my breath holding out hope. Good luck CMW.

  56. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    IDK, maybe they normally play a great fundamental game but against the Yankees they were making fundamanetal mistakes all year.

  57. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Anyway, they had Morneau in May.

  58. Abdababdaserser January 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    mick, They won the division because Cuddyer was playing above his usual. Sometimes players get hot, that was Cuddyer during the last few weeks, that made up for Morneau being out.

    They wouldn’t have made it if they were in another division. Its one reason of many why there needs to be a balanced schedule. It would force the Central to do more than just be competitive in their own little world.

  59. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    LMAO. It’s contagious, isn’t it?

    =======

    Im not so sure. If it is, who gave it to who and why havnt the rest of the bloggers caught it? Hmmm I wonder if the rest of the bloggers here took pre-blogging shots before joining us. Sign me up.

    ————————————————————

    Just don’t go to Wellesley, Mass to get your shots. A school nurse was giving shots to the faculty and instead of the H1N1 vaccine, the school nurse gave them insulin shots. So much for higher education in Mass., huh?

    http://www.necn.com/Boston/Hea.....42503.html

  60. mick January 20th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Pitching, defense and timely hitting wins for the Twins.
    Surprised Gardenhire had something to say about us.
    They go into a shell against us. It is mental.
    Sort of like the Angels used to have our number but not anymore as they have lost most of their gamers.
    The likes of Hunter, Abreau and Juan Rivera will not replace names such as Garrett Anderson, Eckstein, Glaus, Erstad and Guerrero. Forget Lackey.

  61. Frank January 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Rory (Sacramento)

    Is there a past or present player that you would compare Jesus Montero to in terms of what you expect him to be?

    Jim Callis (2:16 PM)

    Miguel Cabrera.

  62. blake January 20th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Frank, that should make us all very happy..hopefully he can stay behind the plate.

  63. Frank January 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Frank, that should make us all very happy..hopefully he can stay behind the plate.”

    I’m hopeful, but not really counting on it. Either way, the bat plays at any position and plays well.

  64. MTU January 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Blake-

    And even IF he doesn’t the bat should suffice. :)

  65. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Make absolutely no mistake about it. NYYs got a huge break with Morneau being out. He shredded Yankee pitchers all year. They were also missing Baker and Slowey, two of their best starters along with their 3rd baseman, Joe Crede. During the regular season, in 7 games, NYY won 4 by 1 run and 2 games by 2 runs. The won 1 post season game by 1 run and one by 3 runs. NYYs hardly buried them.

  66. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Hmmm. I still think they would’ve beaten the Twins. Despite all that, remember the Twins were laying very well. Anyway, the Yanks had managed to beat them even w/all aforementioned factpors in play.

    Color me skeptical, but the Twins did not impress me.

  67. m January 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    A drunkard? :(

    I think not, it would seem that Jesus is light years ahead of Cabrera as far as work ethic.

    Did anyone else see the piece with Montero talking about what it’s like to have guys like Mo in the organization? I think it was on CNN Headline News in their Latinos in America series.

  68. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    We’re not really talking about work ethic, we’re talking about the the value he’ll have.

  69. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    The Twins weren’t hurt by missing Joe Crede. He sucked. Nor Baker. Slowey being out hurt them and Morneau.

    Morneau the most though. The Twins appear to have no end of strike throwing pitchers.

  70. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    laying should be playing. Ugh, now I’m speling like GB7. It really is contagious.

  71. blake January 20th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Oh yea a Miguel Cabrera type bat would be great even if its at DH but it would be even better at catcher.

  72. Erin January 20th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    m
    January 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Did anyone else see the piece with Montero talking about what it’s like to have guys like Mo in the organization? I think it was on CNN Headline News in their Latinos in America series

    *************************
    No! I’d love to see it though-do you have the link?

  73. Wrench In The Worx January 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    I gotta tell you I’m really psyched about Montero (yeah I know, duh). Not just the potential awesome-ness, but the fact that he’s a kid, and if he hits or approaches his ceiling, we’ll be watching him MASH for many many years in pinstripes. Loving it.

  74. m January 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Shoulda, woulda, coulda. I can’t believe that Gardenhire is talking like this.

    Of course it could’ve gone the other way, but it didn’t.

    Baseball’s the most unpredictable sport, to talk about owning another team or we coulda done this or that is ridiculous I think.

    You just never know in baseball.

  75. Rick January 20th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Uniforms numbers that should / could be issued in 2010 :

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    Out of respect for Damon and Matsui’s contributions during the Championship Year, 18 and 55 should not be issued until the 2011 season.

  76. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    To be fair to Gardenhire, he is the one getting asked why the Yankees own him in probably every press conference or media session. I’m sure he’d rather not talk about it.

  77. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

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    Shoulda, woulda, coulda. I can’t believe that Gardenhire is talking like this.

    Of course it could’ve gone the other way, but it didn’t.

    Baseball’s the most unpredictable sport, to talk about owning another team or we coulda done this or that is ridiculous I think.

    You just never know in baseball.

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    I’m not making excuses for the Twins but, 8 of the 10 total games, the scoring difference was 12 runs. Hardly a walk-over. I am disappointed in Gardenhire, though. That’s very unlike him.

  78. ArtieA January 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

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  79. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    The difference was also ten losses.

  80. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Jerkface
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    The Twins weren’t hurt by missing Joe Crede. He sucked. Nor Baker. Slowey being out hurt them and Morneau.

    Morneau the most though. The Twins appear to have no end of strike throwing pitchers.

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    Crede was a lot better offensive and defensive option than Tolbert or anything else they had.

  81. austinmac January 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Gardenshire is right that they play the Yankees tight games. As I have often said, their were a lot of close playoff games. That’s why it kills me when people act as if the number 9 hitter in a tight game doesn’t matter. The no. 9 hitter and getting a repectable hitter off the bench is important.

  82. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    .225 .289 .414 <– Crede, A little power but still terrible. They should have traded for anyone that could play the infield rather than play Crede or Tolbert.

  83. Carl January 20th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    What do some of you want him to say?

  84. Vincent January 20th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    The thing about the Twins is that they, like many other teams, play above their head when they play the Yankees and they still lose.

  85. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I want him to say, “Well, clearly they were the better team this year. They managed to beat us pretty good, and we have no excuses for that, but rest assured we are doing our best this season to put a better product on the field.”

  86. Jerkface January 20th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Twins fans probably don’t want to hear that. They mostly hate the yankees.

  87. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    # austinmac January 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Gardenshire is right that they play the Yankees tight games. As I have often said, their were a lot of close playoff games. That’s why it kills me when people act as if the number 9 hitter in a tight game doesn’t matter. The no. 9 hitter and getting a repectable hitter off the bench is important.
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    You are correct, sir. Wait till the 3rd week of the season, if that long, and Gardy is at .079 , that’s when even the average fan, not a bridgejumper will surface. Can’t be complacent at any position. And I don’t think Cashman has become that, more of a negotiating ploy with Damon, who doesn’t want to risk going through this again next season.

  88. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I want him to say, “Well, clearly they were the better team this year. They managed to beat us pretty good, and we have no excuses for that, but rest assured we are doing our best this season to put a better product on the field.”
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    Isn’t that what he says every year when we knock them out of the playoffs?

  89. Frank January 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    “I’m sure he’d rather not talk about it.”

    What if he could be perfectly honest? Some possible responses.

    “Listen. I’m throwing Brian Duensing against CC Bleeping Sabathia in Game 1. How am I not going to get owned?”

    “You know, anyone can strike out Brandon Inge with a 3 run lead in the 9th inning of a game in June. Is it too bleeping much to ask that Nathan to get a Yankee out once in a blue frickin’ moon when it really matters?”

    “Am I the only one who thinks Kubel is blind in one eye? Or are LHP’s that bleeping mystifying?”

    “Did you know that loosely translated, Nick Punto is Spanish for Jerry Hairston? Hairston polishes the Yankees bench with his backside while I have to give Punto regular AB’s. Don’t get me started on that Brandon effin’ Harris!”

    “Fine! They do own me! I’ll go all Pedro and say they’re my daddy…..but still, Pavano mowed those cake eatin’ weasels down in Game 3….so there!!!”

    Press corps: “Ron, you guys lost Game 3″

    Gardy: “Eff off!”

  90. upstate kate January 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Wait
    I think Gardenhire did say something to that effect right after the play offs. As Jerkface said, he is probably tired of being asked all the time, just like Girardi and the rest of the team got tired of being asked why they couldn’t beat the red sox.

  91. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    mick-No, he says this. First posted by Jace123:

    Gardenhire believes gap between Twins and Yankees is closing

    http://www.winonadailynews.com…..03286.html

    Some would suggest that the Yankees “own” the Twins, but the manager doesn’t buy into that.

    “They don’t own me,” Gardenhire said. “Every game that we’ve played against them has just been nip-and-tuck.”

    We’ve had our chances,” Gardenhire said. “We could have beat them as is, but next year we’re not taking any more off them. And if it takes fighting them, we’re fighting them.”

  92. Paco Dooley January 20th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

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    I agree – if I had to play for an NL team it would be the Cards all the way, and despite injury concerns of having to actually run the bases, his career would certainly re-launch better in the anemic NL where his 19 game seasons could have been 25 win seasons!

    Indeed, the best for a pitcher to improve their ERA and win total is to make a quick move to the NL, and no better division to play in than the NL central.

  93. Wait till we do it all over Again January 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    upstate kate-I don’t remember the Yanks and Girardi making dumb comments about how despite losing eight games in a row and (for a good while) being second in the standings they were the better team.

  94. mick January 20th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

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  96. murphydog January 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    F. Scott Fitzgerald felt there are no Second Acts in American lives.

    Wang’s story is a sad one; unrealized potential always tugs at the heart strings. Plus there is an organizational response some feel is keeping Wang from his Second Act.

    Wang’s career is also a foil to the Jeter story. Contemplate the long running Captain’s career against the sometimes freakish nature of sports injuries. What if Jeter had been hurt and never got his swing back or lost his wheels? Luck is a major part of any success, especially if you define luck not only as being in the right place at the right time but also as avoiding serious injury for long (a decade or two) stretches.

    But also contrast the Wang story to Joba. Did the 2007 phenom come to camp in 2009 out of shape, distracted and unfocused? Was he satisfied with what he had done so far, content to rest on his laurels, unaware that he had to push through to the next level?

    An Opportunity in the Show is precious. An Opportunity in pinstripes is precious times two. Just ask Wang.

  97. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    murphydog
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    F. Scott Fitzgerald felt there are no Second Acts in American lives.

    ————————————————————

    Wang had everything but time.

    Loved reading Fitzgerald. The movie “Beloved Infidel” was a great bio-pic with Gregory Peck.

  98. ortforshort January 21st, 2010 at 12:03 am

    It’s funny how Yankee fans continually want to keep giving chances to Hughes and Chamberlain, neither of whom have ever done a thing as starters, while letting Wang, who carried the rotation for three years, go in a heartbeat. Why do all of you think that is?

  99. gianthinker January 21st, 2010 at 3:01 am

    I’d love to see Wang back but he’d probably do better going out west and being in better weather and hooking up with the master Dave Duncan.

  100. Jeffrey January 21st, 2010 at 7:55 am

    I remember during Wang’s two good years there were a lot of questions about how someone with such a low K/9 rate could maintain his success. Sooner or later the league would catch up to him because he put too many balls in play. Well there was an injury in there, but as Sam rightly points out, his stats were trending the wrong way in any case. And last year before his shoulder injury he was just horrible. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.

    Put me in the camp of those who were never convinced by Wang and I don’t see why the Yankees should stubbornly hang on to him, especially after a shoulder injury. Sure he won 19 games a couple of times but with a team with the Yankees’ offense it doesn’t take much more than league average to rack up the wins.

  101. YankeePankee January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

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    Yank coaches never taught him effective secondary pitches.
    A better slider, curve. He had the makings of a good splitter but never honed it.
    He should have elevated his 4-seamer at times for k’s.
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    Comments?????

  102. chuckitt January 21st, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    wang is just another guy out for as much money as he can get. he hardly pitched at all for two seasons but collected his full paycheck. when the yanks asked him to sign aminor league deal and then fill it with incentives once he got back to the majors he acted like he had been disrespected and couldnt believe they wouldnt pay him big bucks. poor young pro athlete whose ego has far exceeded his recent value to a team. sad.

  103. Arsene January 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    How could you say this
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    BTW, last month he went for an exam and I remembered that chances are he could be ready by Opening Day or even Spring Training.

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