Cashman denies Damon deadline
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 23, 2010 
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Yankees general manager Brian Cashman has refuted the idea the Yankees are waiting for Johnny Damon to make a decision before moving on to other outfield options.
“That’s not true,” Cashman said. “I have a certain amount of money, and when I decide to spend it, I’m going to spend it.”
While Cashman has repeatedly acknowledged that the Yankees remain in the market for an outfielder, he said the team has “had no discussions on Jermaine Dye” and is “not on Jim Edmonds at all.”
The slow-developing outfield market has not surprised Cashman. After seeing last year’s free agent market develop slowly, Cashman said, he expected the same this winter.
“How long it’s taking certain people to wake up and smell the coffee, that’s what surprises me,” Cashman said. “When you get on the phone with agents, they tell you one thing, and certain agents can’t honestly believe what they’re trying to convey. Do they think I’m stupid?”
UPDATE, 5:12 p.m.: Here’s the latest story from Jon Heyman. Clearly he has a source telling him something different from what Cashman is telling me. Also, Marc Carig heard from Damon today. Damon says he should have a team within a week.
Ack- Did he deny an offer was made???
He did not, but he’s also never been one to talk about whether an offer is on the table or not.
Erin
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I am remaining cautiously optimistic. I cannot get my hopes up yet. However, when and if news come down that Johnny accepts….
I go into all-out victory mode!
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Do you have the champagne chilled and ready to pop?
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No silly, Erin. I did not just win the World Series. This will be more like a celebratory glass of wine and a ridiculous amount of LoHud gloating
Stealth CashMan – at it again. Don’t look him in the eyes – you’ll turn to stone.
Mike S.
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
NYYanksFan
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Jeter, A-Rod and CC were with Johnny this week. Maybe they did some negotiating with player and team.
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That’s cool. Think they talked some sense into him?
Maybe they made him “an offer he can’t refuse”
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LOL
“Do they think I’m stupid?”
Unfortunately, some fans are less than intelligent…
Get em Cash!
Chad Jennings
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
He did not, but he’s also never been one to talk about whether an offer is on the table or not.
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It doesn’t exactly require Sherlock Holmes to figure out who he is talking about in the last paragraph. I think the fact that he didn’t deny the entire story altogether is an excellent sign
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
No silly, Erin. I did not just win the World Series. This will be more like a celebratory glass of wine and a ridiculous amount of LoHud gloating
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Oh, I see. The gloating should be very entertaining-I look forward to that!
NYYanksFan
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Jeter, A-Rod and CC were with Johnny this week. Maybe they did some negotiating with player and team.
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Sounds more like they were trying to recruit him. Not sure if Johnny Damon has ever heard of this team called the New York Yankees that won the world series last year and would be a PERFECT fit for him
Erin
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Oh, I see. The gloating should be very entertaining-I look forward to that!
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I will like to start with the dude who likes to say “The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS”.
I have something I would like to stick his face in and its sure not a whipped cream pie
While Cashman can be a bit of a sphinx to decipher, I don’t think he would outright lie; though sportswriters may have a different opinion there.
From what Chad quotes, above, Cash said he is not waiting on Damon, and that he (Cash) will decide when and where to spend the money.
I take this as meaning 1)no comment on ongoing negotiations, and 2)we’re not waiting for Damon, or anyone else – so hurry up and make up your mind or you miss out for a second time – and are actively considering all options. (“you’re not the only one to have options and mystery teams/players, Mr. Boras”).
I’ve got dinner plans with the wife and friends. I hope this isn’t settled tonight, so I can witness/read Erica’s gloating in real time.
If Damon refuses the (alleged but likely) offer, I wonder what the Yanks would have to give up in a trade for Josh Willingham? Buster Olney said yesterday that the Marlins are shopping him and he seems like a good fit – a right-handed LFer with an .840 career OPS overall, and incredible splits against lefties.
I don’t think Cashman lies about things like this. Obviously he told me what he wanted to tell me, so there might be some sort of agenda at play, but I don’t think Cashman would ever deny a story that’s perfectly true.
I also have no doubt that Heyman has a source telling him his report is true.
. . . and Willingham only made 2.95M last season . . .
As always, the slealth Cashman won’t tip his hand but it’s fair enough to assume he’s not in any discussion with Gary Sheffield.
If the Yankees are able to bring in Johnny Damon they will have the most talented offense of all time.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
LF Damon
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Swisher
CF Granderson
CC, Burnett, Vasquez, Pettitte, and Joba in the rotation. CC leading the rotation with AJ and Joba having better years, Pettitte having a solid season as the 4th starter, and Vasquez replacing all the terrible starts made by Wang, Mitre, Hughes, and Gaudin. They have a strong bullpen with Mo, Hughes, Robertson, and Marte.
This is the most talented team ever put together.
Jimbo –
Willingham plays for the Nationals and they’ve repeated said he’s not available.
I see that Willingham just signed a $4.6 million deal to avoid arbitration. Might as well pay Damon, but if it doesn’t work out, I’d love to know what Florida would take in return for Willingham.
EricVa – why you don’t believe the statement Olney mdae yesterday?
This is just cruel. Poor Erica.
No. 27……I think you’re suffering from a bout of cabin fever…..
Chad – yes, I’ve got no doubt that Jon Heyman has a reliable source for this. (Whether the story itself is true is a different matter, but I would believe Heyman’s source – Boras? – on this.)
Josh Willingham’s price would be more than his salary, as the Nationals would likely want a decent haul in exchange for him; starting pitching, for instance. The total value in terms of dollars and talent might be more than Damon’s price, which would be dollars only.
On a different subject, once the Yanks sign Damon or Reed Johnson or whoever, Jamie Hoffman becomes the backup to the backup in the outfield. His playing will be mostly as late inning defensive replacement for Nick Swisher. For such a limited role, it’s questionable whether it’s worth keeping him on the team.
Hoffman was voted the Dodgers’ best overall minor league fielder. I’m wondering if he could learn to play 3b or catcher a little bit — enough to qualify as an emergency replacement. Extra fielding versatility might be the difference in his staying with the Yanks.
Wow..just got back from walking the dogs and there is all kinds of Johnny Damon rumors again…Erica, maybe your letter helped.
Rebecca, if you are still out there
did Syracuse win?
I enjoyed your fable…maybe if JD reads enough articles, he will take some advice.
Johnny Damon is the obvious first choice to come back and play LF but I’d love to sign Jermaine Dye instead. He would make our lineup so much more powerful by filling the #5 spot and making pitchers throw Arod fastballs.
1-Jeter
2-Johnson
3-Teixeira
4-Arod
5-Dye
6-Posada
7-Cano
8-Swisher
9-Granderson
Championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Damon comes back, wouldn’t he hit 2nd?
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus January 23rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
“Do they think I’m stupid?”
Unfortunately, some fans are less than intelligent…
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Wasn’t he talking about the agents?
gianthinker
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
1-Jeter
2-Johnson
3-Teixeira
4-Arod
5-Dye
6-Posada
7-Cano
8-Swisher
9-Granderson
Championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don’t jinx them!
Chad Jennings
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
I also have no doubt that Heyman has a source telling him his report is true.
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Chad, Heyman has one source. It’s Scott Boras! The worst kept secret in baseball among GMs, media, and agents is that Heyman basically is on Scott Boras’s payroll. In exchange for first info on his clients, Heyman has pumped up the position of Boras’s clients in the media. He is Boras’s mouthpiece. If you look at what Heyman has wrote the past few years, it has becomes painfully obvious. This year he did it with Holliday. He did it with Manny before.
All off-season Heyman has been doing Boras’s work for Damon. Pumping up his stats and linking him to teams that didn’t have an interest. Heyman tried to create a market for Damon that wasn’t there. Now he is trying, in a desperate attempt, to make it seem like the Yankees want him back. The whole thing is slimy.
If Baseball investigated Heyman and some others, they could have a major scandal exposing some shady journalists on the take from agents. MLB would have to do it, because sadly another journalist would never expose their own.
Interesting developments.
Is Cashman going to the writer’s dinner tonight? What good timing for this news to break on a day when all the writers will be in the same room as him.
Dave,
Baseball won’t do anything about it. They didn’t do anything about steroids (at least until their monopoly was threatened).
Besides, anything to keep baseball in the news.
Joe from Long Island – yes, he’s not a free agent and so it would obviously cost salary + players. But whether or not it’s worth it depends entirely on what the the Nationals (not Florida as I mistakenly wrote in a prior comment) will accept in return. If they are dumping salary they might accept minor league talent. Stranger things have happened, and so that’s my (rhetorical, I guess) question: what will they accept? Certainly worth looking into given the ugly free agent options.
“I will like to start with the dude who likes to say “The Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS”.
I have something I would like to stick his face in and its sure not a whipped cream pie”
Erica
Before Johnny re-signs, ^that’s trash talking. After he re-signs, that’s gloating. Patience….
Bottom line with Cashman seems to be why should he pay more than market value for someone so they can play for a team who is the favorite to win the world series? He is doing a great job.
gianthinker: I’m sorry but nobody is going to start pitching to A-Rod because they’re scared of Jermaine Dye. Whether it’s dye or posada hitting behind him, A-Rod being on base is still not a great scenario for the pitcher because it’s never good to have guys on base.
This is really, really cool.
Boras is using Heyman, an “old school” print and media reporter, to get out his message. How 20th century.
Cashman is using Chad, a “new school” blogger, to get out his. I’m loving that Chad is getting access to Cashman–are you, Chad, or is this some general press release? Did you call Brian up to get this? There was no sourcing for Cashman’s statements in the blog comment above, so I’m guessing you spoke to him directly?
If that’s true, and Chad is getting access to Cash (and I’m really going out on a limb here), then Cashman is reading this blog.
Now that’s really cool. I wonder if he comments, and what name is he posting under?
Now that’s really cool. I wonder if he comments, and what name is he posting under?
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SJ?
Pat,
“No. 27……I think you’re suffering from a bout of cabin fever…..”
What do you mean? What offense comes close to what the Yankees lineup would be? A full season out of A-Rod and replacing Matsui and Gardner with Granderson and Johnson are big upgrades.
CC is a perennial Cy Young candidate, Vasquez was 3rd in the voting last year, I’m a lot higher on Joba than most people here, but there’s no reason to think he can’t improve on what he did in his first full season as a starter. Burnett was as wild as he’s ever been last year, so there’s room for improvement with him as well.
Pettitte is the only guy in the rotation that is likely to decline from last season, but the other guys in the rotation all have the potential to perform like #2 starters.
The bullpen is going to be a strength all season with Mo, Hughes, Robertson, Marte, Aceves, etc. The Yankees even have Mitre and Gaudin ready to go in case of injuries or potentially resting starters late in the season.
If the Yankees bring back Damon they will have taken a championship team and replaced Matsui, Melky, and the terrible group of 5th starters with Nick Johnson, Curtis Granderson, and Javy Vasquez.
Cashman’s quotes come across as a bit churlish, no?
He’s not denying that some sort of offer has been made to Damon, he’s just denying that the Yanks are waiting for Damon to make a decision?
Is there a point to that? I have no idea. But maybe he has offers to other players too and they’ll sign whoever bites first?
Maybe he doesn’t want players X, Y, or Z to get the idea that discussions with them are only contingent on something Damon decides.
Very curious.
# randy l. January 23rd, 2010 at 2:57 pm
totally off topic, but you don’t see a swing like this too often :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
wow.
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You can say that again Randy.. What a swing indeed. He was beautiful to watch and played the game . I loved going to the stadium to see him.
More non-denial/denials from Cashman.
It’s pretty clear that Cashman will stick to his “budget,” but he still has the opening to do what he wants, for the most part, because nobody has anything more than speculation about what that budget actually is…
At the end of the day, it sure seems the Yanks intend to sign an outfielder to a relatively small contract, and I also think it’s safe to say their first choice of guys to take that small amount of money is Johnny Damon.
Cashman has no issues directly saying he is not in on Jim Edmonds and he is not in on Jermaine Dye… The next time he says that about Damon will be the first.
Willinhams not on the Marlins. If they are talking to the Marlins then I hope it’s for Cody Ross.
Cashman definitely sounds irritated. Good to see.
m
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
This is just cruel. Poor Erica.
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I agree!!! sigh….
Isn’t it obvious Cash is waiting on Damon?
Wouldn’t he have signed someone else by now if he wasn’t.
Johnny is waiting for a better offer, his offer, and they are in a stalemate.
What else could it be?
Who will blink 1st?
Heyman’s most recent Twitter: Have it on good authority that super-agent Scott Boras just belched and broke wind.
2 minutes ago.
pat
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Erica
Before Johnny re-signs, ^that’s trash talking. After he re-signs, that’s gloating. Patience….
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Duly noted. But I am the first to admit that patience is a virtue that I was not born with
Heyman: the Yankee’s offer is “probably no more than $5 million guaranteed”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....n.yankees/
mick,
As beloved as he is, the Yankees have more options that Damon does.
He denied the deadline, he didn’t deny offering a contract
Jimbo – I agree. Though it doesn’t seem as if the Nats are in salary-dumping mode, what with picking up Bruney, Capps, Marquis. Seems as if they’re trying to get respectable. But who knows.
Well, I’m going out soon, so this Johnny-coming-back news had better wait till tomorrow. Let’s see – Damon coming back and the Jets winning. Now, that would be an interesting Sunday!
Sad to say, Johnny will probably stick to his guns and not take our ridiculous #, but what if he has no other offers, oh my, goodness gracious…doesn’t he speak some japanese?
Did someone say Johnny-come-lately?
I’d day the Yankees and Damon are in the process of meeting in the middle.
sign Reed Johnson
NO VINNY, WE’RE SIGNING DAMON.
the middle of what? doesn’t seem like Cash is budging…funny way to say we want you back….didn’t the RS do this to him once?
“Heyman: the Yankee’s offer is “probably no more than $5 million guaranteed”
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and it shouldn’t be. The circumstances involving Bobby Abreu last year, are a carbon copy/the same. And the market is identical to last year. If anything, it is even less. Also, add to the fact Bobby Abreu was a better player, when he took 5 million
link to said meeting between sabathia damon jeter and arod.
Just got a text from Damon. Says he “should have a team in a week” but gave no other hints.
Just got a text from Damon. Says he “should have a team in a week” but gave no other hints.
it seems stupid….we tried this on torre and made him an offer he had to refuse…and he did. we wanted girardi.
if that’s what we are doing to JD then why not get someone else?
Johnny would seem to have some leverage in this scenario.
So what is Cashman’s real message here? What is the news?
I guess that he didn’t deny that there is some kind of offer/negotiation with Damon. Or repeat “parting ways” or anything like it.
So… we’re not waiting on Damon but we are talking to Damon…so…if you’re the agent of another outfielder who’s been talking to the Yankees, get real, fast.
Heyman’s speculation makes perfect sense. Putting everything together:
(1) AAV right now is about $194.5 million not counting the minimum guys.
(2) If you count the minimum guys (maybe $3 million) then that leaves $2 million–the source of the “$2 million” Cashman is telling agents he has.
(3) The deal with Cash and Hal is likely $200 million, not counting the league minimum guys, so there’s $5 million left.
(4) Heyman (Boras) knows the deal is $5 million, which would bring the payroll to $200 million.
(5) Damon (through Boras) is going to the Yankees: why not pay me the $7 million x 2 you offered last month? That is the source of the Cashman “What do they think I am, stupid” comment.
(6) Cash would have gone for Hariston but he only has about $5 million remaining, and is not about to trade Gaudin just yet. That is the source of Hariston’s comments on XM.
(7) Deal is likely around $5 million? The question now is incentives, which Boras communicated through Heyman’s “$5 million base” comment in his article on SI.com.
Johnny has the weekend to decide. Nice move, Cash, if you’re reading this blog. JD is the best one out there (at least we as fans think so).
“Just got a text from Damon. Says he “should have a team in a week” but gave no other hints”
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was this Damon? Or his wife who texted this?
The middle meaning Damon probably wants 8-10, the Yankees say they have 2, probably will sign around 5 + incentives.
I say they sign Nady and teach Boras/Damon/others a lesson. Besides that, I’m sure Nady did not forget how to hit, and probably isn’t expecting much, at least not as much as Damon, is righthanded, and has to be at least as good as Damon in LF. The only question is his health.
maybe cash is looking for a 2-fer.
say dye or reed johnson and edmunds,ST invitee?, for the price of Johnny ?
I don’t understand this game, he’s a good player, give him the freeking money! Giambi just got 2m from Colorado, Tejada just got 6m from the O’s. Johnny Damon is worth at least what Tajada got right? how much was game 4 worth, steeling those 2 bases? They ( the Yankees ), can’t be serious!!
Nady is also a Boras client.
The middle meaning Damon probably wants 8-10,
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This is probably what Cash means by agents making stupid requests.
He also must want the 2nd year.
They are obviously far apart and no one else wants him as much as we do or at all.
“How long it’s taking certain people to wake up and smell the coffee, that’s what surprises me,” Cashman said.”
If Cash would spice up his Chad quotes with some old fashioned commercialism, he’s have more money to spend on Damon.
Something like this:
“How long it’s taking certain people to wake up and smell the STARBUCKS coffee, that’s what surprises me”
“I’ve been around the GM block, I’m not some Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte”
“The LF spot has never been reserved for a STAR. BUCKS come into play for the Yankees too.”
Good piece, gives insight into to world of deal making. Although I applaud Cashman’s honestly, categorically eliminating rumors takes away leverage, might have made more sense to take a pass when discussing Dye and Edmonds.
Cashman seems to be sending a clear message “agents, they tell you one thing, and certain agents can’t honestly believe what they’re trying to convey. Do they think I’m stupid?” — paging Mr. Boras, Mr. Scott Boras.
Mick, yea I’d say that quote was directly right at at Boras.
Tom in NJ January 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Nady is also a Boras client.
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Oh, great…
“Nady is also a Boras client.”
Multiple offers to clients of the same agent does eliminate the need for a deadline date.
And this hard cap the Yankees have placed on themselves is B.S., where the hell is George? Give Damon his 5-7m and call it a day! We should also take a flyer on Ben Sheets for 5th starter, same thing 5-7m with incentives. Keep the kids in the pen ( Joba and Hughes ), where they perform the best. Now you’re talking #28!!
Erica–If Damon signs, you have my blessing to do a world class Lohud gloat. At the same time everyone else will remember that they too always wanted Damon back, but we will all know it was you alone facing the insurmountable odds. Gosh, you’re sounding heroic.
I will just be thankful that Gardner is not in the starting line-up.
Let’s hope it happens.
In actuality, this delay could indicate they are in negotiations, which is a good thing. When the absolute drop-dead date arrives there will most likely be a deal.
“. . . Do they think I’m stupid?”
At this late date I’d have to say “not unless they’re congenital idiots themselves Brian”.
Give Damon his 5-7m and call it a day!
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Johnny wants more! 2nd year could be the hangup.
One thing is for SURE something is gonna happen
Joba is the only clear bridge to Mariano, why they didn’t address this in free agency is beyond me. Mike Gonzales would have been perfect, hard thrower and left handed… not getting him was a mistake because Marte sucks and who is Logan anyway!!
2nd year aint happening.
What the future will bring is either a Dear John letter or a Johnny-come-lately.
Cash, sign Damon and Sheets! Spend the extra 10m it will take. Keep the kids in the pen and cruise to #28!!
“If Cash would spice up his Chad quotes with some old fashioned commercialism, he’s have more money to spend on Damon.Something like this:
“How long it’s taking certain people to wake up and smell the STARBUCKS coffee, that’s what surprises me”
“I’ve been around the GM block, I’m not some Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte”
“The LF spot has never been reserved for a STAR. BUCKS come into play for the Yankees too.
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hilarious, DT
from what you typed, i believe there is a ‘rob peter to pay paul’ sponsorship somewhere. Ms Paul fishsticks? Peter Paul peppermint patties etc??
Well, aside from losing my bet with Erica, I would not be unhappy if Johnny and the Yankees come to terms.
Even though it would seem highly illogical to our Vulcan commenters.
If they give Damon 5 million and can unload Gaudin then they are right back to the 2 million that their “budget” requires.
I would rate the odds of JD returning a skosh under impossible and tad above improbable but still doable.
Yanks are banking on Joba self destructing, i.e. not winning the 5th starter job in ST. Phil will get his shot and Joba will set up.
If Mr B.C. is reading this, I’d really love to know what his honest take is on Gardner. Many of us who follow the game closely and aren’t stupid either believe that given the amount of depth in the current 2010 lineup having Gardner be the starting left fielder, batting in the ninth spot wouldn’t hurt the team. So if the Dance with Damon ends, there are other solutions available that will obviously still work and not hurt the team.
If they give Damon 5 million and can unload Gaudin then they are right back to the 2 million that their “budget” requires.
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But what about the 2nd year?
Trade Igawa and Gaudin to the Mets for a bag of baseballs. That would save us the money to sign Damon and Sheets. The Mets need all the help they can get!
Update at 5:12 PM: “What Cashman is telling me…”
So it is true–Chad is tied in to Cashman.
So Chad, does Cashman read the blog? Be honest…
nobody is givin Damon the second year.
“Nomad” is “Damon” spelled backwards. That should tell you all you need to know about where Johnny is likely to wind up.
It’s not wrong for us as Yankee fans to want more… George created us, spoiled us, gave us everything… and in turn we have been good to the Boss by filling his Stadium. Sign Damon because that’s what we want, it’s that simple!!
and thats why cash called the “agent” stupid.
“So it is true–Chad is tied in to Cashman.
So Chad, does Cashman read the blog? Be honest…”
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i don’t know. But Michael Kay does
“Nomad” is “Damon” spelled backwards. That should tell you all you need to know about where Johnny is likely to wind up.
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looking in the mirror saying “why was I so stupid?”
Who does Micheal Kay post as? He is really part of the “soft underbelly?”
do you really think kay would post here?
these media types don’t have the time to waste here.
Thanks Vinny-B.
Cashman could do it. He has a little pitch man in him. He just needs to channel his inner John Sterling.
Unorthodox ways to get JD to return:
1)Tell his wife the shopping is going to be even better this year in NY.
2) Hire Gregorio Tesla (Tesla’s Grandson) to build the Yankees a machine that can rip the fabric of space thereby creating a wormhole used to capture JD.
3)Trick JD into standing out in LF one more time. While JD is standing there have Brett Gardner run in a circle around johnny at the speed of light transporting JD back to last year as the everyday LF.
Cashman has absolutely no interest in popularity contests. His job is to give the manager the best possible 25 players he deems as what will give the team the best chance to win.
Michael Kay still needs to do better at not defaulting to an irritated lemon face whenever someone other than himself is talking on camera. Every time Nancy Newman is filling in during the pre and post game it looks like MK wants to just rip her eyes out and stomp up and down on them. Now don’t get me wrong, MK has been getting better with the eye rolls and scowls (he’d even grind his teeth when Bobby Murcer was trying to express a thought). But there still is room for improvement. Maybe a better diet and workout routine is a good starting place.
After Damon re-signs, where does NJ hit?
“link to said meeting between sabathia damon jeter and arod.”
What link?
After Damon re-signs, where does NJ hit?
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I would think 5 or 6.
NJ’s job would be to draw walks with the bases loaded, so…. 6th?
Or wait, maybe his job would be to draw walks to LOAD the bases. So… 5th?
Didn’t Jerry Hairston say that he didn’t get an offer because Cash is waiting for Damon’s price to come down? So all of these sources are lying and Cash is telling the truth? Do you guys really think that the Yankees would rather have Reed Johnson or Jermaine Dye over Johnny “double steal” Damon?
Damon needs to suck it up and take $5M, which I’m willing to bet the Yankees would pony up. There’s no way in the world Cash thinks that paying Damon $2M is fair. If he does, he is one cold blooded SOB.
I am so sick of Johnny Damon. Look, you overplayed your hand and nobody wants you at 1999 prices. Either work somewhere for $5m or take your ball and go home. Either way, I really don’t care. I like you as a Yankees, respected as a Royal/Red Sox/Athletic, but I’m over you now.
“Damon needs to suck it up and take $5M, which I’m willing to bet the Yankees would pony up. There’s no way in the world Cash thinks that paying Damon $2M is fair. If he does, he is one cold blooded SOB”
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cold blooded, was Damon sending word to the Yankees if they weren’t willing to offer 13 million/year, then don’t bother making the offer
Laura – Have the catchers and pitchers reported yet?
January 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Didn’t Jerry Hairston say that he didn’t get an offer because Cash is waiting for Damon’s price to come down?
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Yes, which no surprise, Cash denied
BTW, love the new handle
NJ’s job is to stay out of the Carl Pavano memorial MRI unit.
Anything else is a bonus.
Do you think they are going to give Gaudin 3 mill to sit around in case a starter gets injured? Gaudin will be traded to a team for prospects. The 3 mill long with the 2 mill left in the budget equal 5 mill for Johnny. Think how things would be if we did not have Igawa who is costing 10 mill per year.
Here is the article from Yankees.com.
Chad seems to be their source too……
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
DT – OPPC member
January 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm
NJ’s job is to stay out of the Carl Pavano memorial MRI unit.
Anything else is a bonus.
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LMAO
If Nick Johnson received a $5.5 Million dollar deal from the Yankees, isn’t Damon worth at least $6 Million? I understand that the Yankees have a budget, but come on now.
24 days, 18 hours and 59 minutes until Pitchers and Catchers Report!!!!
(Assuming a 1pm start time)
“Many of us who follow the game closely and aren’t stupid either believe that given the amount of depth in the current 2010 lineup having Gardner be the starting left fielder, batting in the ninth spot wouldn’t hurt the team”
Some of us even believe it would help the team!
But it seems the free-agent outfielder now has a weekend deadline.
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When Damon originally signed with the Yanks he was given a take it or leave it offer and a deadline. Does history repeat?
I’m with you Cashman stick to your terms. Boras made this mess, don’t blink.How he could lead Johnny down this road in this economic times, is negligence . So glad the Edmonds rumor was not true.
Gardner is a 4th or 5th OF at best, this is the Yankees we’re talking about. Damon and Sheets = 28!
I believe giving Gardner 500 ABs would not be a pretty sight. Every place in the line-up is important. I would much prefer Damon in a criticalsituation, and their will be plenty of such situations. And their is no one on the bench to hit for him.
Give both Damon and Sheets 5m base with incentives, makes perfect sense. Sheets looked really good during his throwing session on Tuesday. Like I said keep the kids in the pen ( Joba & Huges ), where they perform best!
“where they perform best!”
Who wouldn’t?
Damon @ 1 yr, $5 million or Nady @ 1 yr, $3 million works for me. Both have spaghetti arms, so no difference there. Damon is faster and is left-handed. Nady is right-handed, so balances the lineup better.
I’m tired of all this. Just sign one.
And trade/cut Boone Logan.
“Give both Damon and Sheets 5m base with incentives, makes perfect sense.”
That’s highly unlikely for three reasons: 1) There is no reason to offer Damon incentives on top of the $5M…the Yankees would simply be bidding against themselves. 2) Sheets is reported to be seeking about twice this amount. 3) All indications are that the Yankees will only spend around $2M-$5M more.
The Yankees are already near $200M and project to be near a 100-win team (that is coming off of their 27th World Championship). While they could undoubtedly afford what you and many others desire, it’s really unfair for us to expect them to pay above market prices to further push their budget above everyone else. Damon screwed up, Cash isn’t going to bail him out…if he wants to come back to NY for about what he could eventually get somewhere else, that’s one thing. However, don’t expect Cash to mollify his wounded pride by exceeding what is reasonable (given current market conditions).
A comical, yet probably accurate take on what is going on with Johnny:
http://nysubwaychatter.com/201.....my-friday/
I, for one, think he’s definitely coming back. The Yanks already played hardball with one World Series hero. I don’t think it’s the greatest idea in the world to overhaul a championship team. I mean most of these guys did something right to make that happen, didn’t they?
“Gardner is a 4th or 5th OF at best”
Because you say so?
Squeezing Gardner out of the line-up erases presumable off-season defensive gains. And with just some minor tweaks, Gardner should add the small ball skills this team needs. Look for Gardner to improve his bunting, start hitting down on the ball and become a major asset.
Damn it sucks that I depart in April. I’m going to miss three months plus of this damn season and it looks to be legendary and classic. I might cry due to missing baseball, instead of crying for leaving my home, hehe.
This team just seems so talented then in other years, The talent pool is amazing. If Damon were to be added, that is by far the best offensive lineup I have seen in decades.
Health aside, this team is simply great.
I notice on the Rangers roster they have only one Boras client for 4 yrs 1.3M total, ouch!
Another team that’s just not in to Boras!
So glad the three FA’s the Yankees are looking at for next year Lee, Mauer, and Crawford aren’t Boras clients.
Andy Stankiewicz
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
A comical, yet probably accurate take on what is going on with Johnny:
http://nysubwaychatter.com/201…..my-friday/
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Reading this article now and saw the following paragraph. I heard that song playing on the Sirius Love song station thios morning. Is that some sort of sign???
Boras: Hey Brian, it’s Scott. Johnny came to me the other day and told me he wants to be a Yankee. Remember how all he kept saying last year was how great it was to be a Yankee and how much he loved it? (“Make It Real” by the Jets starts playing in the background.) Well, he meant it.
I wanna see Johnny D come crawling back on his hands & knees.
Damon: I will work for Food.
1.5 mil/1yr and watch him moan & groan and pull his hammy the first month back.
Andy
That was some funny reading on the link you gave, I’m still laughing!
Cashman needed a #4 pitcher, Yankees will miss Matsui, but can live with the other trades. Hopefully Wang signs with the Yankees.
spidanyc
Damon was offered 7M remember, he rejected that amount!
Now he gets what Cashman wants to spend, because of his demon seed agent, who is 1 taco short of a combination platter!
I don’t think the money will be a problem, it’s the years. Cash doesn’t want Damon for two years. I bet the deal comes in at around 7-8 Mil for one year. Johnny has a solid year, the Yanks repeat, and Damon’s gone when we sign a younger Outfielder next year.
All this love for noodle armed Damon. I pray everyday that Cashbags finds A right handed hitter to plug in the outfield and not this has been who swings like a girl. Is every poster on this sight so fooled by one heads up play in the W.S.? Please LET DAMON GO. His best days are behind him.
Yeah. He only had one heads up play. He didn’t have an ops+ of 126 with 24 home runs and and 107 runs scored. Wow. Just wow.
I wore my Johnny Damon shirt today so he’ll be back with the team by the end of next week! Go Johnny Go! (Not scientific method, but just as valid as to all the speculation that others are putting forth!!!)
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Reading this article now and saw the following paragraph. I heard that song playing on the Sirius Love song station thios morning. Is that some sort of sign???
Boras: Hey Brian, it’s Scott. Johnny came to me the other day and told me he wants to be a Yankee. Remember how all he kept saying last year was how great it was to be a Yankee and how much he loved it? (“Make It Real” by the Jets starts playing in the background.) Well, he meant it.
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I sure hope it’s a sign. I/We need Johnny in Pinstripes!
Johnny Damon made his bed, let him lie on it.
The only person with leverage in this non-negotiation is Cashman.
Cashman has a MLB team and Boras does not.
For what we (fans) have to pay to go to a Yankees game, and how much we spend on Yanks gear, sign Johnny and quit this foolishness! Anything less than $9 mil/yr is fair. Don’t go getting cheap on us.
Totally agree w/Marc, though in this market i suspect they could give Damon $6-7 million and have him feel fairly treated.
The other OFs being mentioned -Reed Johnson, Winn, etc. – are bench players. The only ones who may be regulars are Nady – whose arm injury is high-risk – and Dye, who has been on a somewhat steep aging decline. Both of them in YS CF would make Damon look like a gold glover.
So, Damon is in a distinctly higher class than those other players. I hope, and suspect, that the Yanks will negotoate with him as such.
Now that the Angels have traded away Gary Matthews, I wonder if they are a team that could sign Johnny Damon. They got Abreu cheap last year. They grabbed Matsui earlier this offseason. Could they make an offer for Damon? Their current left fielder is Juan Rivera, so they don’t really need a full time left fielder, but they are light on outfielders. I sure hope it does not happen.
Although I’m defying the trend on this board, I’m totally opposed to bringing Damon back. As much as he seems like a good clubhouse guy and an entertaining interview, I cringe whenever a ball is hit in his direction. He has regressed to a very limited defender (not that he was ever great), taking tentative routes to balls and winding up to make three hop throws to the plate. He is a good hitter, but his offensive output has also declined during the second half of the season, to the point where I must wonder if his “fast-twitch” reflexes are failing fast. He did sweep 24 long balls into the “pennant-porch” but can he repeat that feat? I am very excited about seeing what Gardener can do over the course of a full season. His superior defense along with his baserunning will be more than adequate in the number nine hole, even if he only hits 250. If we absolutely mus sign a right handed hitting outfielder, re-up Nady. Even after his second rotator cuff surgery, he must be able to throw better than Damon.
Due to the accelerated media response to anything – sports suits in the last 5 years have become even more secretive & patronizing. Some of it is no doubt warranted, but it all smacks of what politicians have been doing for a few thousand years. While some of you here can spout fans are stupid, and at times we all can be due to passion for the team, the overriding impetus for the suits & unis is CYA.
MLB needs to be blown up & rebuilt. Even if it means the NYY will need a few weeks to resume the King of the Hill status.
This is from Madden … http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....nkees.html
it rings true to me.
With Tejada returning to Baltimore the Orioles will probably look to deal Ty Wigginton. He’s a perfect addition for some LF, DH, fill in duty because he’s versatile and hammers LHP.
The cost can’t be too high, I wouldn’t think.
I feel bad for Damon. He’s not a business man.. He’s put his blind trust in Boras who’s completely jacked him around and here we are, in late January and Johnny is just realizing his super agent effed up his late career.
I just hope Johnny takes matters into his own hands and talks to the Yankees independently so something can be worked out. I’d love nothing more than to log on here one day soon and see that JD is back in left field.
i don’t know what hapend ,but i think it will very interesting.discountloouboutin>